This was my favorite scene from the first book. When they finally adapted it for the show, I was very disappointed. They should have gotten Peter Jackson to direct this one scene. It’s every bit as epic as anything in the Lord of the Rings trilogy
Yeah it always suprised me that it was portrayed as super impressive from them that only Ned and one more survived. Like honestly Arthur Dayne is pretty much the best fighter to ever live with the best sword to exist. And given that Ned and co are northmen and not knight they prbly werent wearing heavy armor like the kings guard either and none of them should have been extraordinarily skilled. I mean the Father of Meera and Jojen for example who ended up surviving shouldnt just be avg but shitty af in combat from what we heard
@@Ben-lo3opI mean... You don't have to be a knight to wear armor, and George R.R Martin neglected to write a power level for every character he came up with. Sure Arthur Dayne was probably the best swordsman alive, but that doesn't make him a superhero, he can still be surrounded and killed
after reading the 5 books 3x each already (not including the fire and blood and the knights of seven kingdoms), I suddenly realised why was Arthur Dayne so celebrated when in fact he did a very horrible thing? I think he is a worse judge of character to fight Ned when Ned just literally wants his sister back. I don't know where his morals lie in the moment, but conspiring against your king, following orders directly from the prince (heir but not yet on the throne), Allegedly helped rhaegar kidnap lyanna and held lyanna a hostage for over a year. Breaking every last bit of vow he had swore to do. he is a KINGSGUARD not a PRINCEGUARD
He was protecting his king from Robert's wrath, even if they knew Ned would protect his nephew they would rather face the armies of the whole seven kingdoms by themselves than recognising the usurper as king while the rightful king spends his life hidden as a bastard.
@@Justacityboy oh shut up hahahaha that's not the reason. The reason is Dayne is guilty that Rhaegar kidnapped lyanna and he know Ned will kill them all so he has no choice but to eliminate Ned but he is the one eliminated hahahaha. Imagine for a whole year, lyanna couldn't even write a letter to her parents or even her brother's. That's the proof that she is held captive and is r*ped continuously until she bear a child for Rhaegar's madness.
@@hexflash. Just let it go mate, R+L=J is canon, you guys are doing the same mental gymnastics the niggas that insist Darth Sidious threw the fight against Mace Windu in Star Wars do, even if it was debunked by word of god itself.
@@hexflash.Biased, they heard of what happened to Elia and her children from usurper Robert as he laughed as elia’s children were presented before him. Arthur is more honourable than switch sides Selmy, we don’t know the kingsguard’s pov they could’ve wanted Ned to pass but ned brought 6 other people, not all of those 6 would keep the secret of the last Targaryen Jon Snow?
@The Law Not only that, Hightower and Whent talk about saving Aerys, and yet they were actively supporting Rhaegar who was heavily implied plotting to remove his dad from the throne. Not that Rhaegar would've been better, as look at the mess he caused with him and Lyanna running off without telling anyone.
The Law well I wouldn’t entirely agree with this comment as Rhaegar wanted Hightower there and he had to convince him to stay. Arthur and Whent stayed to protect the heir they were both extremely close with Rhaegar so they stayed both were loyal to a fault. I wish we had more on Oswell such a left out character. He is a dark humored man while Gerold was a stern and to the point leader. And the bravest of them all Ser Arthur Dayne The Sword of the Morning. He was brave and loyal to Rhaegar because they were said to have been close and he was Rhaegars best friend. So in closing Rhaegar asked them to stay and guard the heir. Gerold was the only reluctant once because the mad king sent him to fetch his son but Rhaegar someway somehow convinced old Ser Gerold to stay with the others to protect the prince who was promised.
The Law all great points I love hearing stuff like this. Just leading up to the trident was just a mess. Prince Lewyn Martell had no choice but to march to the trident because of the mad king holding his niece captive so he would take around 10,000 Dornish men to the trident. Jonothor Darry could have stayed with the mad king and let Jaime go. I’m not giving every thing that made this a mess but it is Rhaegar and the mad kings fault. The mad king defends his son and burns Eddards father and eldest brother. Rhaegar ran away with Lyanna. I feel though if Ser Arthur Dayne was at the trident it would have ended differently. Robert would have fallen, I guarantee that. I do not believe any one man could beat Arthur in single combat the only reason he “died” because theories, was Howland Reed. I also think in my point of view at the tower of joy I’m not saying you’re wrong I just think what makes it so depressing is that they both are fighting for the same thing and they can’t put their vows aside when all ten of them could have left that place alive. Though I also have to hate to believe that because of the prowess and their vows the in my opinion greatest era of Kingsguard would not bend the knee like above. But I like to believe myself that Arthur would have at least could see their similarities. I believe the reign of the mad king had the most honorable and distinguished age. Arthur and Ned being the most honorable men in the realm. They both had everything in common besides I believe two things at the tower of joy. Arthur has sworn to Rhaegar that he’d protect his son. While Ned didn’t know any of this and was looking for his lost sister . I also believe that one was but a Knight and one was a Lord. One was the king in the North while the other was the Sword of the Morning. Yet they both respected one another even in the end. Arthur was a man who swore to do his duties until his last even if he found it dishonorable. That’s just my take I’m not saying in any way you’re wrong it’s just how I interpret most of leading up to and the tower of joy.
@@simbol5638 another similarity to his ancestor then. Aerys' Kingsguard were spoken of almost as highly as Jaehaerys I's first Seven. It seems to me Jon's true name is Jaehaerys given how many similarities they have.
@@rimskyrichard8651 Yeah, I think you are right, ive lost count of how many self imposed deadlines he's missed, he doesn't even bother now. Its either a block, or he's lost interest/ getting too much money for other projects.
William Schaeffer yeah they failed to portray the emotion of this scene well. Instead of it being a sad, unfortunate battle where none of the men truly wanted the other ones dead, but they fought anyway because of their duty, the show portrayed it as a smirking contest.
True. I forgot it was a fever dream Ned has in the red keep dungeon right? Like that is when we first hear this memory. I just wish when the show had adapted the scene they had taken this dialog exactly as it is in the books. Its written so well
I believe the younger guy was named Gerold Hightower, but he of course was nothing even resembling the white bull, just some weird kings guard guy that died And Oswell Whent was straight up send to the shadow realm for some reason
@@GreaterGrievobeast55 It is that. But belief in prophecy as legitimation of your rule is very common throughout history and in many different cultures.
Interesting how Ned see's himself and his friends as faceless grey spectres but he sees clearly the kingsguard as white knights. Really gives you an idea how he feels about the wholes situation.
I swear that everytime I read some new excuse from GRRM for not finishing the books I say "fuck off with this", then I come back to these "fever dream" and the despair and sadness comes to me again... Damn it George! Hurry up! I can live without knowing the final destination of Daenerys or Tyrion but I wanna know so badly what happened there at the ToJ and the Dayne's involvement in the conspiracy!!! I will never EVER read an unfinished saga again...
Rhaegar really wasn't a good decision maker. Should come down from his high horse a bit more. But a lot of "high borns" have that problem, too high on their "high born" status.
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They were still enemies. The kings guard were ordered to protect Lyanna by Rhaegar of course but Ned was still part of the rebellion that killed the king. And as the kings guard they felt it was their duty to die with him
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Awesome!
I just love how poetic this scene is and how it becomes even sadder the more you know...
Love how the kings guard members are finishing each others sentence lol
They were true brothers in arms through and through.
@@Justacityboy hell yeah!!!
And they were roommates in white sword tower
They had regular sword duels@@SapphireSolstice67
"The Kingsguard does not flee."
A kingsguard will always give his life to protect his king, even if he is only a baby.
When you realize the lines about "the kingsgaurd does not flee, then or now" and "we swore an oath" is because their king was in the tower.
You are right, I hope one day I can read winds of winter to see the story continue.
This was my favorite scene from the first book. When they finally adapted it for the show, I was very disappointed. They should have gotten Peter Jackson to direct this one scene. It’s every bit as epic as anything in the Lord of the Rings trilogy
She had a crown of blue winter roses from the tourney at Harrenhal. That’s where they’re from.
Hardly
The song of healing is a nice touch
I shall not fail, this time I’ll come back stronger than ever.
You'd think three kings guard would win easy...Arthur should be able to take three.
Yeah it always suprised me that it was portrayed as super impressive from them that only Ned and one more survived. Like honestly Arthur Dayne is pretty much the best fighter to ever live with the best sword to exist. And given that Ned and co are northmen and not knight they prbly werent wearing heavy armor like the kings guard either and none of them should have been extraordinarily skilled. I mean the Father of Meera and Jojen for example who ended up surviving shouldnt just be avg but shitty af in combat from what we heard
@@Ben-lo3opI mean... You don't have to be a knight to wear armor, and George R.R Martin neglected to write a power level for every character he came up with. Sure Arthur Dayne was probably the best swordsman alive, but that doesn't make him a superhero, he can still be surrounded and killed
@@rinkhoek3130exactly. And to be fair, you can be the “greatest swordsman”, but every swing of your sword, your perfect form becomes less and less.
They were no ordinary 3...the rest of THIS is...they were no ordinary 7...Ned's wraiths moved up beside him. We swore a vow...said Gerold AND Brienne.
after reading the 5 books 3x each already (not including the fire and blood and the knights of seven kingdoms), I suddenly realised why was Arthur Dayne so celebrated when in fact he did a very horrible thing? I think he is a worse judge of character to fight Ned when Ned just literally wants his sister back.
I don't know where his morals lie in the moment, but conspiring against your king, following orders directly from the prince (heir but not yet on the throne), Allegedly helped rhaegar kidnap lyanna and held lyanna a hostage for over a year. Breaking every last bit of vow he had swore to do.
he is a KINGSGUARD not a PRINCEGUARD
He was protecting his king from Robert's wrath, even if they knew Ned would protect his nephew they would rather face the armies of the whole seven kingdoms by themselves than recognising the usurper as king while the rightful king spends his life hidden as a bastard.
@@Justacityboy oh shut up hahahaha that's not the reason. The reason is Dayne is guilty that Rhaegar kidnapped lyanna and he know Ned will kill them all so he has no choice but to eliminate Ned but he is the one eliminated hahahaha.
Imagine for a whole year, lyanna couldn't even write a letter to her parents or even her brother's. That's the proof that she is held captive and is r*ped continuously until she bear a child for Rhaegar's madness.
@@hexflash. Just let it go mate, R+L=J is canon, you guys are doing the same mental gymnastics the niggas that insist Darth Sidious threw the fight against Mace Windu in Star Wars do, even if it was debunked by word of god itself.
@@hexflash.Biased, they heard of what happened to Elia and her children from usurper Robert as he laughed as elia’s children were presented before him. Arthur is more honourable than switch sides Selmy, we don’t know the kingsguard’s pov they could’ve wanted Ned to pass but ned brought 6 other people, not all of those 6 would keep the secret of the last Targaryen Jon Snow?
What's the background music???
Song of healing
Looord edaaaaaaaaaard
:')
i kinda like old man reading better
Wrong music for the scene
why
'Woe to the Usurper if we had been'.
Why is this such a great line?
because it has such a poetic tone to it and it contains both "woe" and "usurper"
@The Law Not only that, Hightower and Whent talk about saving Aerys, and yet they were actively supporting Rhaegar who was heavily implied plotting to remove his dad from the throne. Not that Rhaegar would've been better, as look at the mess he caused with him and Lyanna running off without telling anyone.
The Law well I wouldn’t entirely agree with this comment as Rhaegar wanted Hightower there and he had to convince him to stay. Arthur and Whent stayed to protect the heir they were both extremely close with Rhaegar so they stayed both were loyal to a fault. I wish we had more on Oswell such a left out character. He is a dark humored man while Gerold was a stern and to the point leader. And the bravest of them all Ser Arthur Dayne The Sword of the Morning. He was brave and loyal to Rhaegar because they were said to have been close and he was Rhaegars best friend. So in closing Rhaegar asked them to stay and guard the heir. Gerold was the only reluctant once because the mad king sent him to fetch his son but Rhaegar someway somehow convinced old Ser Gerold to stay with the others to protect the prince who was promised.
The Law all great points I love hearing stuff like this. Just leading up to the trident was just a mess. Prince Lewyn Martell had no choice but to march to the trident because of the mad king holding his niece captive so he would take around 10,000 Dornish men to the trident. Jonothor Darry could have stayed with the mad king and let Jaime go. I’m not giving every thing that made this a mess but it is Rhaegar and the mad kings fault. The mad king defends his son and burns Eddards father and eldest brother. Rhaegar ran away with Lyanna. I feel though if Ser Arthur Dayne was at the trident it would have ended differently. Robert would have fallen, I guarantee that. I do not believe any one man could beat Arthur in single combat the only reason he “died” because theories, was Howland Reed. I also think in my point of view at the tower of joy I’m not saying you’re wrong I just think what makes it so depressing is that they both are fighting for the same thing and they can’t put their vows aside when all ten of them could have left that place alive. Though I also have to hate to believe that because of the prowess and their vows the in my opinion greatest era of Kingsguard would not bend the knee like above. But I like to believe myself that Arthur would have at least could see their similarities. I believe the reign of the mad king had the most honorable and distinguished age. Arthur and Ned being the most honorable men in the realm. They both had everything in common besides I believe two things at the tower of joy. Arthur has sworn to Rhaegar that he’d protect his son. While Ned didn’t know any of this and was looking for his lost sister . I also believe that one was but a Knight and one was a Lord. One was the king in the North while the other was the Sword of the Morning. Yet they both respected one another even in the end. Arthur was a man who swore to do his duties until his last even if he found it dishonorable. That’s just my take I’m not saying in any way you’re wrong it’s just how I interpret most of leading up to and the tower of joy.
It sounds biblical and ancient. Poetic even
“As blue as the eyes of Death.” Hm. Sounds familiar.
"The Kingsguard does not flee."
"Then or now."
Badass shit right here
Sounds like Jaehaerys Kings guards at dragon stone, when the hand challenged them
@@simbol5638 another similarity to his ancestor then. Aerys' Kingsguard were spoken of almost as highly as Jaehaerys I's first Seven.
It seems to me Jon's true name is Jaehaerys given how many similarities they have.
Sure but they literally sat around supporting a tyrant
It's bit harsh to be decrying Willem Darry like that. There was nothing he could've done anymore other than save the Targaryen children.
Our knees do not bend easily
Incredible line
@@davidec.4021My favourite along with the kingsguard does not flee, then or now
I hope George manages to finish the books. One of the greatest of his century
3 years on, and still no books.😩
@@uhtred7860 I definitely think he's run into a block. it's been 12 years and he's not even finished with his first draft
@@rimskyrichard8651 Yeah, I think you are right, ive lost count of how many self imposed deadlines he's missed, he doesn't even bother now. Its either a block, or he's lost interest/ getting too much money for other projects.
Tolkien was vastly out done a long time ago. even the wheel of time is much better than the lord of the rings.
Why on earth was this too hard to put in the damn show
this was in the show, jus not done as well.
William Schaeffer yeah they failed to portray the emotion of this scene well. Instead of it being a sad, unfortunate battle where none of the men truly wanted the other ones dead, but they fought anyway because of their duty, the show portrayed it as a smirking contest.
As well as many other things. But yes, this scene would have been a pleasure to watch, if done properly, that is.
This would have been in the first season. I don't think they had that much budget.
True. I forgot it was a fever dream Ned has in the red keep dungeon right? Like that is when we first hear this memory. I just wish when the show had adapted the scene they had taken this dialog exactly as it is in the books. Its written so well
Probably one of the best chapters martin ever wrote
Sir Arthur Dayne a sad story but all good things must end
Where the fuck was the White Bull in the show?
I believe the younger guy was named Gerold Hightower, but he of course was nothing even resembling the white bull, just some weird kings guard guy that died
And Oswell Whent was straight up send to the shadow realm for some reason
This should have been the first scene of Game of Thrones
Rheagar brought three kingsguard to dorne and left just one in kings landing.
He obviously didn't care for Elia lol
He truly believed he would win at the Trident, because of prophecy
@@SapphireSolstice67Arrogance cost him everything
@@GreaterGrievobeast55 It is that. But belief in prophecy as legitimation of your rule is very common throughout history and in many different cultures.
nice with the song of healing
Music:
The song of healing
Was looking for this comment lol
Interesting how Ned see's himself and his friends as faceless grey spectres but he sees clearly the kingsguard as white knights. Really gives you an idea how he feels about the wholes situation.
I laughed at the eddard bit lol. Lovely readings!
The music adds an extra layer of sadness to this
Sr Gerald was loyal to Aerys. They all were. I would of been as well lol
Love the Zelda theme
best story within a story
Hits harder than Robert's hammer
I swear that everytime I read some new excuse from GRRM for not finishing the books I say "fuck off with this", then I come back to these "fever dream" and the despair and sadness comes to me again... Damn it George! Hurry up!
I can live without knowing the final destination of Daenerys or Tyrion but I wanna know so badly what happened there at the ToJ and the Dayne's involvement in the conspiracy!!!
I will never EVER read an unfinished saga again...
We're still waiting
Rhaegar really wasn't a good decision maker. Should come down from his high horse a bit more. But a lot of "high borns" have that problem, too high on their "high born" status.
Much obliged for reading this dream sequence, Valkyrist ASOIAF Readings!!! You have a nice voice too, by the way 😉!
PS: Spoilers for "A Dance with Dragons"!!
I REALLY can't wait much longer for a flashback from Brynden and Brandon in their cave, wherein we get to see this epic clash, who fought who, who slew who, and above all, WHAT exactly did Ned and Howland find inside that blasted tower!!! PLEASE, mr. Martin 🙏!
Why did they even fight. Ned just wanted his sister and wouldn’t do no harm to her. ? So why did the kingsguard fight ned
They were still enemies. The kings guard were ordered to protect Lyanna by Rhaegar of course but Ned was still part of the rebellion that killed the king. And as the kings guard they felt it was their duty to die with him
The Zelda music is so damn fitting
You killed it in this video please do more
Thats weird that lyanna would scream LORD EDDARD instead of just calling him eddard or ned.
Since the scene ends with Ned getting woken up by someone yelling “Lord Eddard”, it’s possible that interrupted his dream or got mixed in
Yeah he’s getting woken up by Vayon Poole to go see the king. That’s likely why he heard “Lord Eddard” instead of Ned albeit in Lyanna’s voice.
@@brigidmadden5577yooo your right
I was thinking about this too, but when you go back to the book, he’s getting woken up by van pool saying lord eddard
You think they would have relished it
Song?!?!?
Song of healing - Legend of zelda majoras mask
I wish you would do the hold book💯
Rhagor is dead...
Such a great video
the art work where can i find the image :D?
Crazy how the show even messed up this scene!!!
3 kingsguard..... 3 kings?
Fallen and reborn
sad way for ser arthur dane to die stabbed in the neck
I don’t think that’s what will happen in the books
CUT THE DAMN MUSIC
Are you taking about the last 10 seconds? Or are you saying you don’t like the music? Because i think it adds so much