Smalljon got some of the worst treatment from books to show. Died honorably at the Red Wedding defending his king, and the show turned him into one of the worst of Ramsey's supporters.
Just looking at it again... god, it's just so horrible. Everything about it... it really is just hard to get through. No wonder GRRM found it such a difficult thing to write. And the ending, where she thinks of what she's lost and goes mad before getting killed... easily one of the most devastating things I've ever read.
Stannis is gonna take out the Boltons but the Freys? They’re gonna wish it was Stannis coming to kill them when Lady Stoneheart crashes Daven’s wedding.
@@7yep4336dfgvvh nope, he's alive. He has gathered the mountain clans of the north, a few Stark loyal houses, wildlings, and even has Asha greyjoy captive as he prepares to attack winterfell.
I think the red wedding 2.0 theory may be where the riverlands story goes in The Winds of Winter. Lady Stoneheart and the brotherhood will take out the freys at the Frey/lannister wedding, or something along those lines. Ugh, I just finished rereading the entire series over the last few months… what I’d give to have TWOW in my hand right now haha
@@aegonthedragon7303 Well, he will kill some of the Freys at the Battle of the Ice. But yes, Stoneheart will inflict a terrible fate on the Freys that she catches.
I would have had Greatjon Umber be in that scene and fill the role of Smalljon defending Robb. And then have Smalljon carry on as the traitor picking what he thinks is the right side in the Battle of the Bastards.
@@ranfan1820 Hes not disgusting for it lol and its not unforgivable at all, Roy died aged 94 and lived as full a life as anyone can hope to. GRRM himself is an old man and met and talked with Roy whenever he could, they were friends, he couldn't have predicted his death.
@@marktastic86 nah, I will say it definitely isn’t as good as book 3. And has the hard task of setting up another act 1 after SoS clearly is the climax of the first three books. FfC was much more enjoyable on reread. But I agree it’s a tough one to love initially
@@DongusMcBongus I saw an interview with GRRM that said 4 and 5 were originally one book, so he split them up to make both easier to digest. It makes sense that it doesn't flow like the previous three for that reason. But when half the book is Cersei walking around KL being a bitch to everyone plus the High Sparrow storyline, and the other is Brienne (the best part admittedly) walking back and forth over the same terrain looking for Arya and Sansa, it's easily the worst in the series thus far. I did enjoy the ending, though.
@@marktastic86 It’s funny, almost had the exact same reaction, but when you reread it knowing where it’s gonna go, it does get a lot better. You just know Cersei is gonna get one heck of a rude awakening etc. No, it’s totally fair to say a book should be good on its first read, but I do think it kind of ages like a wine
@@picklejarmonsterfanboy9367 because, this is a wedding, not a battlefield, no one is expecting to die in a wedding! It is scandelous to murder your guests! Your guests who disarmed themselves, trusting that you will protect them, and then you kill them! Who will trust you ever again ? Who let you out of their eyes ? You will be the most untrustworthy human in Westeros!
Theres 0 chance it happens like in the show. We either have the Great Northern Conspiracy, or Brotherhood without banners reformed under Jaime and Brienne destroying the Freys.
The Frey Civil War is gonna be crazy. It's not enough that all the different factions of Freys are gonna be at eachothers throats but everyone is gonna be looking to take their lands and titles thanks to Cersei wanting to screw them over.
@@Argos-xb8ek yeah post book 5 Westeros looks hectic. Freys inner civil war, Faith Militant growing in strength, Riverlands are still in chaos and you have the Northern kingdom in chaos. Not to mention Iron Born reeving and Young Griff at Storms End
@@Argos-xb8ek If there is even a Frey Civil War, it will be the most pathetic display of military power in the entire series. 50+ Claimants with a dozen soldiers each.
Robb was a usurper. Broke vows left and right. Didn't deserve this though. I hope Davos finds rickon. Hopefully the book comes out in the next few years
Robb never attempted to claim a throne that wasnt his. (such as Renly trying to claim the Iron Throne) Him rebelling and claiming the North as an independent Kingdom isnt the same as usurping a throne.
This is why screen adaptations can improve on a book. It all kicks off so much faster in the book, no time to react. In the HBO you have a few moments to sit there and wonder what’s coming when the music starts. And you can shift between Cat and Arya.
Starks did not have it coming this is 50x worse than a broken betrothal and not only that it’s stupid the freys have enemy’s in every part of Westeros they’ll be wiped out by the end of winds because of how stupid this was
@@joewoods5514 nope! Yet more cope for overrated trash, Robb Stark. you Robb Stans really underestimated how badly Robb dishonored Frey. Robb is a Stark, Starks are are seen as the most honorable people and House of Westeros. "There has never been a Stark to forget an Oath" is a quote attributed to them No one, I mean no one in Stark history has been dishonored by them, but Frey!? And the Northerners are hypocrites, they are proud of their honor, yet turned a blind eye when Robb dishonored Frey. As Aenys Frey once said "Stark dishonored us! That is what you Northmen best remember!" Ps- WoW will never release and Frey is too powerful, the north has their hands tied dealing with Bolton, plus there are too many Freys scattered around the place it will be impossible to wipe them all out. Safe to say my favorite house is good hands.
@@chrisporter9397 your PFP fits you too. I bet you cried when Robb Stark died, and I bet you'll cry even more because he will never be avenged in the books, because G.R.R Martin loves subverting from typical generic "beloved character killed, gets avenged trope." But we will never know, because books will never be released.
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Smalljon got some of the worst treatment from books to show. Died honorably at the Red Wedding defending his king, and the show turned him into one of the worst of Ramsey's supporters.
Don’t remind me of that awful show.
@@estevesfilmandgaming3115 fan fiction
Lets not even discuss what they did to Manderly jeez
Show Stark Bannermen: least loyalty to their lord
Books: most loyalty
It was a strange plot point in the show
Just looking at it again... god, it's just so horrible. Everything about it... it really is just hard to get through. No wonder GRRM found it such a difficult thing to write. And the ending, where she thinks of what she's lost and goes mad before getting killed... easily one of the most devastating things I've ever read.
No, no! Don’t cut my hair. Ned loves my hair. 😢
Really hoping Stannis wipes these worms from existence in the Winds of Winter.
Stannis is gonna take out the Boltons but the Freys? They’re gonna wish it was Stannis coming to kill them when Lady Stoneheart crashes Daven’s wedding.
Hold on, stannis is not dead in the books?
@@7yep4336dfgvvh nope, he's alive. He has gathered the mountain clans of the north, a few Stark loyal houses, wildlings, and even has Asha greyjoy captive as he prepares to attack winterfell.
I think the red wedding 2.0 theory may be where the riverlands story goes in The Winds of Winter. Lady Stoneheart and the brotherhood will take out the freys at the Frey/lannister wedding, or something along those lines. Ugh, I just finished rereading the entire series over the last few months… what I’d give to have TWOW in my hand right now haha
@@aegonthedragon7303 Well, he will kill some of the Freys at the Battle of the Ice. But yes, Stoneheart will inflict a terrible fate on the Freys that she catches.
Anybody else had to say damn.. after listening sheesh I loves this stuff 😂
I would have had Greatjon Umber be in that scene and fill the role of Smalljon defending Robb.
And then have Smalljon carry on as the traitor picking what he thinks is the right side in the Battle of the Bastards.
Roy dotrice has such an amazing voice
it just grips my attention
Shame he won’t be narrating Winds of Winter :(
@@germaner3254 I won't be buying the Winds audio book because hes not reading it, it just won't be the same.
@@CheeseCrumbs00George is disgusting for not finishing the series before Roy died. Unforgivable.
@@ranfan1820 Hes not disgusting for it lol and its not unforgivable at all, Roy died aged 94 and lived as full a life as anyone can hope to. GRRM himself is an old man and met and talked with Roy whenever he could, they were friends, he couldn't have predicted his death.
I hear the quality and now I truly regret not reading the book. I made the same mistake with Harry Potter.
Well the first three books are really similar, but book 4 and 5 are becoming totally different stories.
@@DongusMcBongus
Book 4 was awful, let's be honest.
@@marktastic86 nah, I will say it definitely isn’t as good as book 3. And has the hard task of setting up another act 1 after SoS clearly is the climax of the first three books.
FfC was much more enjoyable on reread. But I agree it’s a tough one to love initially
@@DongusMcBongus
I saw an interview with GRRM that said 4 and 5 were originally one book, so he split them up to make both easier to digest. It makes sense that it doesn't flow like the previous three for that reason. But when half the book is Cersei walking around KL being a bitch to everyone plus the High Sparrow storyline, and the other is Brienne (the best part admittedly) walking back and forth over the same terrain looking for Arya and Sansa, it's easily the worst in the series thus far. I did enjoy the ending, though.
@@marktastic86
It’s funny, almost had the exact same reaction, but when you reread it knowing where it’s gonna go, it does get a lot better.
You just know Cersei is gonna get one heck of a rude awakening etc.
No, it’s totally fair to say a book should be good on its first read, but I do think it kind of ages like a wine
Easily one of the most devastating chapters in the series
wow very few books made me cry like A song of ice and fire series, 1st nerd then his son, then Jon. honorable men dont live long in the series
That's because the bad guys know how dangerous they are. And even if they do kill them the people they aided will take up the cause in their place.
I'm sorry, but I broke out laughing at "1st nerd." Good ol Nerd Stark 😂
Jon is coming back
@@schoudh the honorable "Nerd Stark"
Ned's death was so sad :( in the dungeon reminiscing his decisions :(
"Explain to me why it is more noble to kill ten thousand men in battle than just a dozen at dinner."
- Tywin Lannister (A Storm of Swords)
"NOOOOOOOOOOO, TENS OF THOUSANDS OF PEASANTS MUST DIE BECAUSE NED TRIED TO USURP THE THRONE"
the "honorable" house stark
@@picklejarmonsterfanboy9367 because, this is a wedding, not a battlefield, no one is expecting to die in a wedding! It is scandelous to murder your guests! Your guests who disarmed themselves, trusting that you will protect them, and then you kill them!
Who will trust you ever again ? Who let you out of their eyes ? You will be the most untrustworthy human in Westeros!
People who unironically think Tywin is a good guy or what he did here was right or smart are stupid.
@@picklejarmonsterfanboy9367Silence Tywin simp
@@Timo11042 Tywin never started a war
This is wonderful. Great job making this
That’s what you get Mrs stark for being a lame
I can’t do it, only made it 30 seconds.
That's what happens when you have adhd
boom DOOM boom DOOM
The freys got what was coming to them.
No offense but that tv show nonsense won’t happen to them. I’m sorry
Theres 0 chance it happens like in the show. We either have the Great Northern Conspiracy, or Brotherhood without banners reformed under Jaime and Brienne destroying the Freys.
The Frey Civil War is gonna be crazy. It's not enough that all the different factions of Freys are gonna be at eachothers throats but everyone is gonna be looking to take their lands and titles thanks to Cersei wanting to screw them over.
@@Argos-xb8ek yeah post book 5 Westeros looks hectic. Freys inner civil war, Faith Militant growing in strength, Riverlands are still in chaos and you have the Northern kingdom in chaos. Not to mention Iron Born reeving and Young Griff at Storms End
@@Argos-xb8ek If there is even a Frey Civil War, it will be the most pathetic display of military power in the entire series. 50+ Claimants with a dozen soldiers each.
The music is too loud
I hate this,,, I hate this 😖!!!!
Please let justice be served to these traitors
💔
His Walter Frey was spot on ! I 🥰Roy dotrice n was thinking now w ai he can complete the rest .i hope it happens!
Walder*
Feels wrong
Robb was a usurper. Broke vows left and right. Didn't deserve this though. I hope Davos finds rickon. Hopefully the book comes out in the next few years
Me too, brother. Davos is probably my favorite character.
Robb never attempted to claim a throne that wasnt his. (such as Renly trying to claim the Iron Throne) Him rebelling and claiming the North as an independent Kingdom isnt the same as usurping a throne.
@@slimjoneslfc9695 Yeah, a rebel and a traitor, not a usurper.
I'm definitely looking forward to the chapter in wins in winter where the freys finish off the Starks
definitely
This is why screen adaptations can improve on a book.
It all kicks off so much faster in the book, no time to react.
In the HBO you have a few moments to sit there and wonder what’s coming when the music starts.
And you can shift between Cat and Arya.
Yeah, but here you get to realize that Catelyn has gone mad and hear her inner thoughts.
No, in fact the show is quickly
The book show people fighting and hidden behind tables
In the tv is just people dying no even a fight
@@Morfe02people try to fight back in the show
It is much better in the book actually, much more ominous too with all the foreshadowing and back and forth between Arya and Cat chapters.
How do you break someone’s lip? That of all things took me out of the moment.
Stark's had it coming, what did they think would happen, they expect Frey to be honorable, after Robb dishonored them.
Starks did not have it coming this is 50x worse than a broken betrothal and not only that it’s stupid the freys have enemy’s in every part of Westeros they’ll be wiped out by the end of winds because of how stupid this was
@@joewoods5514 nope! Yet more cope for overrated trash, Robb Stark.
you Robb Stans really underestimated how badly Robb dishonored Frey.
Robb is a Stark, Starks are are seen as the most honorable people and House of Westeros. "There has never been a Stark to forget an Oath" is a quote attributed to them
No one, I mean no one in Stark history has been dishonored by them, but Frey!?
And the Northerners are hypocrites, they are proud of their honor, yet turned a blind eye when Robb dishonored Frey.
As Aenys Frey once said "Stark dishonored us! That is what you Northmen best remember!"
Ps- WoW will never release and Frey is too powerful, the north has their hands tied dealing with Bolton, plus there are too many Freys scattered around the place it will be impossible to wipe them all out.
Safe to say my favorite house is good hands.
@@chaos_knight_xy”my favorite house” fitting PFP to go along with that line
@@chrisporter9397 your PFP fits you too.
I bet you cried when Robb Stark died, and I bet you'll cry even more because he will never be avenged in the books, because G.R.R Martin loves subverting from typical generic "beloved character killed, gets avenged trope."
But we will never know, because books will never be released.
@@chaos_knight_xy Lol, why are you so angry?
the drums thing is too similar to the drums in moria and are a needless distraction from the scene. no shit, there's doom all about