I bet the Steam Deck is responsible for a lot of this growth, if not directly by getting Linux into the hands of millions then indirectly by showing to the average person how capable and accessible Linux has become.
Windows 11 was my final straw with Windows. Just WAY too many ads, stability issues, UI & UX regressions, and limitations on what it can run on (my ThinkPad T25 can't run Windows 11 offically despite having TPM 2.0 ONLY because it uses a 7th gen Intel CPU). I had used Windows for about a year with Ubuntu 10.04, 10.10, and 11.04, before going back to Windows because almost none of my schools applications worked on Linux. EndeavourOS, which was only around a year or two old at the time I started using it (and later it became my daily driver OS), quickly kept me on Linux, even through the Arch GRUB EFI issue and other smaller issues. Not to mention, everything I use either works on Linux natively, works through Proton or Wine, or is a web app, so pretty much anything with a browser can access it. For those who were wondering, KDE Plasma's 25th anniversary update got me to stick to Plasma and Linux long-term, and at the time, Tuxedo OS didn't exist and there wasn't anything else similar, so a rolling release distro it was!
@@theviniso the statistic is from web browsing, not just machines. Statistica is used for statistics by over 1.5 million websites worldwide, and by collecting user-agents they see that 4.5% of desktop users use Linux. Now remember that many Linux users have an agent switcher.
Kudos to the PopOS team not only for what seems like a really promising and modern DE, but also for developing toolkits that work well with across DEs, such as XFCE and Mate. A truly commendable project.
Oh yeah, Michael asking all the questions at the presser! I appreciate that! It means we'll probably get to hear some interesting stuff on the channel!
I use Gear Lever and it's amazing, I used to hate AppImages because it was a pain to maintain, well, Gear Lever(installed from flathub) fixed that and now I can organize, update and use AppImages without any issue, and made me even feel a new found appreciation for AppImages - even tho I still like flatpaks more, but for some programs AppImages are better and it definitely has it's place.
Can't wait for cosmic DE, i use Pop os tiling WM and it's a big part of my workflow. The shortcuts and how everything just works out of the box is really what makes me love Pop os so much. can't wait for cosmic to be officially released
I like the direction of Cosmic which is Gnome minus the annoying things and missing basic features which gnome devs don't want to include. The multi-monitor stuff you mentioned got me hyped, because both the missing panel on every display and the limited workspace workflow annoy me so much.
MICHAEL-- Please consider chapter segmentation for each edition. Divide the entire edition into smaller parts, each chapter identified for users eager to read about particular items, but who do not have time for the entire show.
I am confused by your comment because TWIL has had chapters for at least 4 years now. I was adding chapters before TH-cam even had the functionality to show them … including this episode, has had chapters since publishing
Ive been a Die Hard Fedora Silverblue user, and I tried Vanilla OS on my main system… What a huge mistake- as a 3D modeling, rigging, animation, simulation artist - The beta unstable Nvidia drivers included crashed so damn much on wayland/x11 - also no clue why they would use any Debian Sid packages… it should be at least debian testing… It is criminal to call it a “stable release”…
VanillaOS sounds super cool and I would have tried it out immediately due to it sounding right up my alley but... GNOME, man. Not my thing. I would have loved a KDE version. Hell, I would have even taken a Cinnamon or XFCE version.
Interesting seprpant os comes with zed...and vanilla os has a nice look to it. Im trying to move away from the different foundations and open source projects i dont agree with and kinda glad to see some new linux projects. Its really hard to beat arch tho. And appimages arent ideal but I'm glad they are an option. This tool looks cool if you have a lot of appimages. And I never used funtoo but have gentoo and appreciate bros massive contribution to Linux!
Vanilla OS 2, to me, comes way too late. It came with essentially reinventing the whole Atomic toolchain that... Functionally isn't too different from rpm-ostree, for many end-user. I started using Universal Blue because it was taking too long so might as well explore the immutable landscape a bit (including using NixOS for a while) eventually even using their image creation tool as well which works great on Github CI. It's been so long I'm just comfortable with this setup now - the way that adding files and packages on (what is now) BlueBuild is easier to understand than Vib as well. And they have a KDE image focused for gaming (Bazzite). Additionally, the way the package downstreaming is done reminds me of Manjaro. While Manjaro's teams... infamy, is a high bar to surpass, I'd probably wait and see until we have a proper track record for them. And, well, I do appreciate the way they do things properly even if it takes time (though BlendOS' move-fast method does well in actually shipping things but it comes with drawbacks that you'd see if you're in their discord server) but it DID take a while, as other immutable distro gets stronger backing, support, development, and community. I'm interested in how it'll do, especially when Ubuntu Core Desktop comes and how much their Snap-based immutability will matter to end-user in the Debian-based(-ish) ecosystem. But for me, the time has passed. I'm not even distro hopping anymore. I know what I want, I know what I need, and Vanilla may be able to provide it but it isn't the one that filled the slot when I wanted and needed it. I wish them the best with everyone else though.
Only including immutable distros, I started with Fedora Silverblue, tried Vanilla OS, and then switched to NixOS. Once I get past a few hurdles like learning about the Nix ecosystem and language, I found that I liked it. The only downside I have found so far is that it takes up more storage space.
@@samconnelly7630 I personally like rpm-ostree the most for how easy it is to switch track. With uBlue's added tools, packages, and infrastructure? It's like NixOS, without the complexity of NixOS. You're welcome to make it more complicated, but by default? It can be EXACTLY as usable as SteamOS. Plus, I could always just use HM to get Nix's advantages on any distro anyways.
Used Pop OS on a laptop and a home media server in the past. I've tried four other distros but I've never used linux as a Desktop OS. Think when popOS/Cosmic is fully released and stable it might be my escape boat from Windows. It kinda has everything I've been looking for in style and configurability. With this move to make their own desktop I wonder if PopOS will also in the future move away from Ubuntu and become a Debian based distro
@kozmikhero6749 I am curious why you didnt use Linux as a desktop before and which distros you tried? COSMIC is really interesting though and I think it has massive potential, looking forward to see what they've done so far. As for the switching away from Ubuntu to Debian, I doubt it because Debian is missing a lot of stuff and is not really beginner friendly at all and that is kind of System76's sweet spot of beginners who want just a bit more. I think it makes most sense for them to be based on Ubuntu since they get all the benefits of that base and allows them more development room for making COSMIC. I think if they were to add re-implementing what Ubuntu did on Debian it would be a huge technical burden which would slow down development of both the distro and the desktop efforts.
@@michael_tunnell I wanted a smooth experience and my hardware was kinda holding me back. Have a 1080ti and a 13600kf. I have multiple monitors all with different refresh rates. I was waiting for wayland to get better support for nvidia cards but looks like they're not supporting the 1080ti; will probably upgrade the gpu when I switch OS's. The other distros I've used are Ubuntu/Mint for school laptops, CentOS a long time ago for a server and a headless Debian for a dedicated Minecraft server. I always liked PopOS but felt it wasn't ready to do a full switch yet. However with all the things that've happened this year in linux I think its finally almost ready for me
You can thank him for Budgie directly too since he also founded Budgie desktop :D and I agree, Ubuntu Budgie is a solid distro and I really like their implementation of budgie a lot
openSUSE Tumbleweed is that but it is still pretty technical just not as technical as Arch. Solus is also a rolling release but yea I dont get why they are making Solus and Serpent OS because I am pretty sure the Serpent OS team also went back to work on Solus so that is a bit confusing lol . . .otherwise the other rolling options are based on Arch. Fedora is a interesting option too as they are a hybrid of sorts
Last I tried it and checked the resources it was rather heavy, but that was a pre-alpha version that probably wasn't that optimized. My guess is that at that stage they were more focused on developing the functionality, which makes sense to me. We will see I guess.
"but what if you want to update that appimage, well you can't" you can! appimages have a built in update mechanism to download a deltas (only what changes from one version to another) from a specific uri, you can just right click the launcher/task bar icon and there will be an "update appimage" option, if you don't see that blame the package maintainer; is like stating that flatpak programs can't open files when is the packager of a program who didn't check the option to allow file system access this information is right there on the appimage documentation. if you're going to throw shade at something, at least be accurate, instead of spreading misinformation
I have a setup with a 32 inch 1440p monitor and 2 24 inch 1080p monitors. If COSMIC finally made the first DE that can properly handle my setup, then holy shit they solved some big problems. Multiple monitor setups and high DPI screens have existed for several years, and it's unacceptable that Linux still sucks so much at handling them. Hell, Linux still sucks at fractional scaling with just a single monitor.
Vanilla OS looks awesome but just take a look at the corporate backing - all the companies opposed to free speech and privacy, and no interest in libre software.
The laughability of details being 'leaked' on an opensource project being developed 'in the open'.... should have left 'leaked' off and just shared the info. No need for click bait titles
They don't want to officially support it. Most of the team are very much GNOME people, and only have the capacity or interest to support GNOME. They are open to people making their own spins using the image creation tool they make, and maybe it'll eventually become "adopted" a la Bazzite and Aurora for Universal Blue. But it's not their focus. It is what it is.
Thanks for commenting but I'm curious what do you do with the apps that when you close the window they stay running in the background, like Discord or Steam for example?
I would love to see a version of Vanilla OS with KDE, XFCE, Openbox/Fluxbox, or Cinnamon (I absolutely HATE GNOME DE and find it borderline unusable) and TBH the only thing stopping me from trying it is the lack of DE that I can stomach. So far the only versions of GNOME that don't make me want to chuck my computer through a wall or window are the heavily modified versions from Zorin OS and Endless OS... Actually, either of those would be fine, if implemented in Vanilla OS.
@@michael_tunnell nice channel, subbed! yea im very excited for cosmic too. ive installed the test version and it was really nice. the release should be super fun
Why would one download a distro like Serpant OS when its developer has a reputation of making a new toy and soon after abandoning the project? Does this mean Aiki Doherty is not supportive of the current state of Solus? What kind of blow is it to their team to have the founder of that OS now working on something different to overtake it in the market? He made eopkg, and is now working on a project to overtake its popularity. I imagine any enthusiast of his works will be skeptical of his maintaining the project over the coming years.
Not sure who 'aiki' is but this is total misinformation. I actually helped rescue Solus at the start of last year and we even gave them hosting for a while. If you read both the solus and serpent blog posts we're working together to ensure Solus 5 uses the serpent tooling to solve a number of technical issues.
@@SerpentOS Apologies for the confusion, though Subtitles may be misleading on the spelling of the original developers name of which operating system you refer to th-cam.com/video/Ay6uAbUYgjI/w-d-xo.htmlsi=q8_uJcq3dTDXiRM8&t=357 Nice to know they will be banking on the tool set your providing to pail water as the eopkg file system I thought of as a different base architecture made from scratch, just as the new one for serpent is. Solus 5 has had numerous issues that were not able to be addressed until the serpent tooling became available and Mr.Doherty leads this project as well if I am not mistaken. Please assist me as this is quite confusing. As far as i know, he was the lead for Solus, left the project for a few years and has now come back in the form of another project offering the tool-set as a life support system for his original works. I loved the idea of Solus, and enjoyed working with eopkg, but found too many problems to use it regularly.
I just don't understand SerpentOS having the tagline "for people want to 'Just Use Linux' and then shipping with Gnome out of the box. Gnome is a fine DE, and I don't hate it, but it's a huge paradigm shift from a traditional desktop and a lot of people don't like it. ESPECIALLY people trying out Linux coming from other OSes. I guess depending on your definition of "Modern" I could see going with it, but COSMIC is a more modern DE than Gnome so why not ship with that?
We have cosmic in the repos. So we started with some fairly conservative goals, and yknow yourself, GNOME becomes the "safe bet". Truthfully nearly everyone trying Serpent immediately shifts over to Cosmic. In one of our future ISOs we'll just whack an option in there to select Cosmic, and in time Plasma, etc. Actually runs pretty well right now!
@@SerpentOS That's good to know, but it's annoying having multiple application sets from multiple DEs installed. Additionally, while Gnome has traditionally been the safe bet I personally think KDE has surpassed it ever since 6.1. More features that people want, and far more stable than it's ever been before. Still probably a little less stable than Gnome, but I've not had any KDE bugs in months which is really saying something.
Linux just crosed 4.5% desktop users feels unreal I can't fathom this growth
MSW12 has been our best salesman.
I bet the Steam Deck is responsible for a lot of this growth, if not directly by getting Linux into the hands of millions then indirectly by showing to the average person how capable and accessible Linux has become.
@@theviniso yep. steam deck is what convinced me to switch a few years ago, and i have never even touched one.
Windows 11 was my final straw with Windows. Just WAY too many ads, stability issues, UI & UX regressions, and limitations on what it can run on (my ThinkPad T25 can't run Windows 11 offically despite having TPM 2.0 ONLY because it uses a 7th gen Intel CPU).
I had used Windows for about a year with Ubuntu 10.04, 10.10, and 11.04, before going back to Windows because almost none of my schools applications worked on Linux. EndeavourOS, which was only around a year or two old at the time I started using it (and later it became my daily driver OS), quickly kept me on Linux, even through the Arch GRUB EFI issue and other smaller issues. Not to mention, everything I use either works on Linux natively, works through Proton or Wine, or is a web app, so pretty much anything with a browser can access it.
For those who were wondering, KDE Plasma's 25th anniversary update got me to stick to Plasma and Linux long-term, and at the time, Tuxedo OS didn't exist and there wasn't anything else similar, so a rolling release distro it was!
@@theviniso the statistic is from web browsing, not just machines.
Statistica is used for statistics by over 1.5 million websites worldwide, and by collecting user-agents they see that 4.5% of desktop users use Linux. Now remember that many Linux users have an agent switcher.
Kudos to the PopOS team not only for what seems like a really promising and modern DE, but also for developing toolkits that work well with across DEs, such as XFCE and Mate. A truly commendable project.
Oh yeah, Michael asking all the questions at the presser! I appreciate that! It means we'll probably get to hear some interesting stuff on the channel!
I use Gear Lever and it's amazing, I used to hate AppImages because it was a pain to maintain, well, Gear Lever(installed from flathub) fixed that and now I can organize, update and use AppImages without any issue, and made me even feel a new found appreciation for AppImages - even tho I still like flatpaks more, but for some programs AppImages are better and it definitely has it's place.
Thanks for covering! 🙏
Good work guys moving from ubuntu to debian sid. I wish you all the best.
Can't wait for cosmic DE, i use Pop os tiling WM and it's a big part of my workflow. The shortcuts and how everything just works out of the box is really what makes me love Pop os so much. can't wait for cosmic to be officially released
Gnow that's an intro
I like the direction of Cosmic which is Gnome minus the annoying things and missing basic features which gnome devs don't want to include. The multi-monitor stuff you mentioned got me hyped, because both the missing panel on every display and the limited workspace workflow annoy me so much.
I'll be trying Vanilla OS 2.0 in a few days on a spare desktop PC.
MICHAEL-- Please consider chapter segmentation for each edition. Divide the entire edition into smaller parts, each chapter identified for users eager to read about particular items, but who do not have time for the entire show.
I am confused by your comment because TWIL has had chapters for at least 4 years now. I was adding chapters before TH-cam even had the functionality to show them … including this episode, has had chapters since publishing
Ive been a Die Hard Fedora Silverblue user, and I tried Vanilla OS on my main system… What a huge mistake- as a 3D modeling, rigging, animation, simulation artist - The beta unstable Nvidia drivers included crashed so damn much on wayland/x11 - also no clue why they would use any Debian Sid packages… it should be at least debian testing… It is criminal to call it a “stable release”…
VanillaOS sounds super cool and I would have tried it out immediately due to it sounding right up my alley but... GNOME, man. Not my thing. I would have loved a KDE version. Hell, I would have even taken a Cinnamon or XFCE version.
Yeah, I agree. If they had a second version with Xfce, Cinnamon, or KDE Plasma, I'd probably try it again.
it's coming...
Thanks for the perfect subtitles🙏👍👍
Interesting seprpant os comes with zed...and vanilla os has a nice look to it. Im trying to move away from the different foundations and open source projects i dont agree with and kinda glad to see some new linux projects. Its really hard to beat arch tho. And appimages arent ideal but I'm glad they are an option. This tool looks cool if you have a lot of appimages. And I never used funtoo but have gentoo and appreciate bros massive contribution to Linux!
Vanilla OS 2, to me, comes way too late. It came with essentially reinventing the whole Atomic toolchain that... Functionally isn't too different from rpm-ostree, for many end-user.
I started using Universal Blue because it was taking too long so might as well explore the immutable landscape a bit (including using NixOS for a while) eventually even using their image creation tool as well which works great on Github CI. It's been so long I'm just comfortable with this setup now - the way that adding files and packages on (what is now) BlueBuild is easier to understand than Vib as well. And they have a KDE image focused for gaming (Bazzite).
Additionally, the way the package downstreaming is done reminds me of Manjaro. While Manjaro's teams... infamy, is a high bar to surpass, I'd probably wait and see until we have a proper track record for them. And, well, I do appreciate the way they do things properly even if it takes time (though BlendOS' move-fast method does well in actually shipping things but it comes with drawbacks that you'd see if you're in their discord server) but it DID take a while, as other immutable distro gets stronger backing, support, development, and community.
I'm interested in how it'll do, especially when Ubuntu Core Desktop comes and how much their Snap-based immutability will matter to end-user in the Debian-based(-ish) ecosystem. But for me, the time has passed. I'm not even distro hopping anymore. I know what I want, I know what I need, and Vanilla may be able to provide it but it isn't the one that filled the slot when I wanted and needed it. I wish them the best with everyone else though.
Only including immutable distros, I started with Fedora Silverblue, tried Vanilla OS, and then switched to NixOS. Once I get past a few hurdles like learning about the Nix ecosystem and language, I found that I liked it. The only downside I have found so far is that it takes up more storage space.
@@samconnelly7630 I personally like rpm-ostree the most for how easy it is to switch track. With uBlue's added tools, packages, and infrastructure? It's like NixOS, without the complexity of NixOS. You're welcome to make it more complicated, but by default? It can be EXACTLY as usable as SteamOS. Plus, I could always just use HM to get Nix's advantages on any distro anyways.
Good video
How you can have so many subtitle already?
What software did you used?
I made the English subtitles and TH-cam did the rest. I had to manually tell it which languages to use but they were translated by youtube from mine
@@michael_tunnell ah so that's why. Thanks
👍Thanks Michael!
Used Pop OS on a laptop and a home media server in the past. I've tried four other distros but I've never used linux as a Desktop OS. Think when popOS/Cosmic is fully released and stable it might be my escape boat from Windows. It kinda has everything I've been looking for in style and configurability. With this move to make their own desktop I wonder if PopOS will also in the future move away from Ubuntu and become a Debian based distro
Have u tried Solus as desktop?
@kozmikhero6749 I am curious why you didnt use Linux as a desktop before and which distros you tried? COSMIC is really interesting though and I think it has massive potential, looking forward to see what they've done so far. As for the switching away from Ubuntu to Debian, I doubt it because Debian is missing a lot of stuff and is not really beginner friendly at all and that is kind of System76's sweet spot of beginners who want just a bit more. I think it makes most sense for them to be based on Ubuntu since they get all the benefits of that base and allows them more development room for making COSMIC. I think if they were to add re-implementing what Ubuntu did on Debian it would be a huge technical burden which would slow down development of both the distro and the desktop efforts.
@@michael_tunnell I wanted a smooth experience and my hardware was kinda holding me back. Have a 1080ti and a 13600kf. I have multiple monitors all with different refresh rates. I was waiting for wayland to get better support for nvidia cards but looks like they're not supporting the 1080ti; will probably upgrade the gpu when I switch OS's. The other distros I've used are Ubuntu/Mint for school laptops, CentOS a long time ago for a server and a headless Debian for a dedicated Minecraft server. I always liked PopOS but felt it wasn't ready to do a full switch yet. However with all the things that've happened this year in linux I think its finally almost ready for me
Serpent - such a cool name!
Thank you, Ikey, for Solus. Although I don't use Solus, I use Ubuntu Budgie. Budgie DE was in Solus first.
You can thank him for Budgie directly too since he also founded Budgie desktop :D and I agree, Ubuntu Budgie is a solid distro and I really like their implementation of budgie a lot
Very welcome =)
Time for the GNews~
Solus OS.
Stahp with the gloomy grey and black desktop themes already!
It would be nice to try a true rolling release not as technical as arch.
openSUSE Tumbleweed is that but it is still pretty technical just not as technical as Arch. Solus is also a rolling release but yea I dont get why they are making Solus and Serpent OS because I am pretty sure the Serpent OS team also went back to work on Solus so that is a bit confusing lol . . .otherwise the other rolling options are based on Arch. Fedora is a interesting option too as they are a hybrid of sorts
Micheal, you are so good at this. You're up there in the top ten of my favorite Linux news channels.
How "heavy" is Cosmic compared to other DEs?
it's too early to really tell that for certain but I'll bet it is much lighter than GNOME, probably around the same tier as KDE Plasma
@@michael_tunnellProbably similar to KDE Plasma, I agree.
Last I tried it and checked the resources it was rather heavy, but that was a pre-alpha version that probably wasn't that optimized. My guess is that at that stage they were more focused on developing the functionality, which makes sense to me. We will see I guess.
"but what if you want to update that appimage, well you can't"
you can! appimages have a built in update mechanism to download a deltas (only what changes from one version to another) from a specific uri, you can just right click the launcher/task bar icon and there will be an "update appimage" option, if you don't see that blame the package maintainer; is like stating that flatpak programs can't open files when is the packager of a program who didn't check the option to allow file system access
this information is right there on the appimage documentation. if you're going to throw shade at something, at least be accurate, instead of spreading misinformation
sadly my wifi network don t work in a linux on macbook air 17 and i m not a people who have the knowlege to fix , sadly i come back to macOS
👍
I have a setup with a 32 inch 1440p monitor and 2 24 inch 1080p monitors. If COSMIC finally made the first DE that can properly handle my setup, then holy shit they solved some big problems. Multiple monitor setups and high DPI screens have existed for several years, and it's unacceptable that Linux still sucks so much at handling them. Hell, Linux still sucks at fractional scaling with just a single monitor.
It kind of works for me in plasma 6. Only a few applications get confused, but 99% of the stuff just works.
Vanilla OS looks awesome but just take a look at the corporate backing - all the companies opposed to free speech and privacy, and no interest in libre software.
The laughability of details being 'leaked' on an opensource project being developed 'in the open'.... should have left 'leaked' off and just shared the info. No need for click bait titles
I disagree there's no need for clickbait when it works but leaked might not be the best, so changed it. thanks for the feedback
@@michael_tunnell your content is outstanding, titles may be a personal issue. I do appreciate your openness to feedback
No kde for vanilla os? Well fuck that.
Sadly, I agree. I do wish them luck though!
They don't want to officially support it. Most of the team are very much GNOME people, and only have the capacity or interest to support GNOME. They are open to people making their own spins using the image creation tool they make, and maybe it'll eventually become "adopted" a la Bazzite and Aurora for Universal Blue. But it's not their focus. It is what it is.
They aren’t exactly GNOME people since they are making their own DE 😄 but yea I get your point, they are much more GTK than they are KDE/Qt
it's in development. Called Kanola and looking for beta testers. Check their github or Discord
@@michael_tunnellnot GNOME people at Vanilla OS? They are not Pop!_OS LOL
Exposed ... or do you actually mean Revealed?
Exposed just means the same as revealed, some people use it to mean revealing something that was supposed to be but that’s not the only use case
Tray icons is a garbage concept, I don't use them even in KDE
Thanks for commenting but I'm curious what do you do with the apps that when you close the window they stay running in the background, like Discord or Steam for example?
@@michael_tunnell well, I just pin them to the dock
ahh I gotcha, make sense
Serpent OS be like:
"We offer MINIMAL Gnome experience with ONLY a handful apps"
Also Serpent OS:
Put two code editor, Gnome Text and Zed
lol well you could say that GNOME Text is not a code editor but rather a basic text editor so maybe thats why
Because what linux really needs are more distros..
Not even Gnome devs know why some things are done in Gnome, it's a mistery XD
I prefer appimages over flatpak, it's much easier to deal with. I hope they will make a comeback.
I would love to see a version of Vanilla OS with KDE, XFCE, Openbox/Fluxbox, or Cinnamon (I absolutely HATE GNOME DE and find it borderline unusable) and TBH the only thing stopping me from trying it is the lack of DE that I can stomach. So far the only versions of GNOME that don't make me want to chuck my computer through a wall or window are the heavily modified versions from Zorin OS and Endless OS... Actually, either of those would be fine, if implemented in Vanilla OS.
bruh dont say "gnuws" im wayyy too stoned for that lmfao
I've been saying this for so many episodes I have no idea, at least 150 episodes at this point lol and btw its spelled GNews* :D
@@michael_tunnell nice channel, subbed! yea im very excited for cosmic too. ive installed the test version and it was really nice. the release should be super fun
Why would one download a distro like Serpant OS when its developer has a reputation of making a new toy and soon after abandoning the project? Does this mean Aiki Doherty is not supportive of the current state of Solus? What kind of blow is it to their team to have the founder of that OS now working on something different to overtake it in the market? He made eopkg, and is now working on a project to overtake its popularity. I imagine any enthusiast of his works will be skeptical of his maintaining the project over the coming years.
Not sure who 'aiki' is but this is total misinformation. I actually helped rescue Solus at the start of last year and we even gave them hosting for a while.
If you read both the solus and serpent blog posts we're working together to ensure Solus 5 uses the serpent tooling to solve a number of technical issues.
@@SerpentOS Apologies for the confusion, though Subtitles may be misleading on the spelling of the original developers name of which operating system you refer to th-cam.com/video/Ay6uAbUYgjI/w-d-xo.htmlsi=q8_uJcq3dTDXiRM8&t=357
Nice to know they will be banking on the tool set your providing to pail water as the eopkg file system I thought of as a different base architecture made from scratch, just as the new one for serpent is. Solus 5 has had numerous issues that were not able to be addressed until the serpent tooling became available and Mr.Doherty leads this project as well if I am not mistaken. Please assist me as this is quite confusing. As far as i know, he was the lead for Solus, left the project for a few years and has now come back in the form of another project offering the tool-set as a life support system for his original works. I loved the idea of Solus, and enjoyed working with eopkg, but found too many problems to use it regularly.
First!
Funny how the internet goes a long way but people still do first comments
not even criticizing, just noting the fact that some stuff just never changes
@@nodge9671 We need to keep the good traditions. Have a great day!
I just don't understand SerpentOS having the tagline "for people want to 'Just Use Linux' and then shipping with Gnome out of the box. Gnome is a fine DE, and I don't hate it, but it's a huge paradigm shift from a traditional desktop and a lot of people don't like it. ESPECIALLY people trying out Linux coming from other OSes. I guess depending on your definition of "Modern" I could see going with it, but COSMIC is a more modern DE than Gnome so why not ship with that?
We have cosmic in the repos. So we started with some fairly conservative goals, and yknow yourself, GNOME becomes the "safe bet". Truthfully nearly everyone trying Serpent immediately shifts over to Cosmic. In one of our future ISOs we'll just whack an option in there to select Cosmic, and in time Plasma, etc. Actually runs pretty well right now!
@@SerpentOS That's good to know, but it's annoying having multiple application sets from multiple DEs installed.
Additionally, while Gnome has traditionally been the safe bet I personally think KDE has surpassed it ever since 6.1. More features that people want, and far more stable than it's ever been before. Still probably a little less stable than Gnome, but I've not had any KDE bugs in months which is really saying something.
an instant dislike because I am tired of hearing about this COSMIC.
its one of the hottest topics right now so get the dislike ready for next week too I guess
Dude, COSMIC is honestly exciting. Even if YOU don't think it is, you can just skip past that part of the video.