Ok that explains the voosh, when i pull the brake levers on my e scooter. Just got my first e scooter. I had no idea mechanical brake werent good enough to stop. Thanks.
With the right Vesc motor controller and a 3 wire analog output brake handle you can scale the regen EBS so the more you squeeze that harder the ebs regens and stops you.
Hey, I love your videos! They exactly explain same issues I had with mine scooter. Could you please tell me though, if the EBS kicks in at an instant when you press the brake lever or does take like 0,5 seconds? Cause mine does have a little delay.
Hey Jack ! Thanks for watching. The EBS does not kick in instantly. It takes about .5 seconds. There is a little delay with every scooter I've ridden with EBS :/
@@GingerOnWheels Thanks for the reply! I would like to see on your channel also a tutorial to make the scooter rain proof (waterproof) because I took mine out in a rainy day and water got inside the battery and I had to replace 6 cells in order to make it work again.
@@GingerOnWheels The nanrobot d4+, old version. Got 1200 miles on it. Also relating to the video, I use EBS all the time it's very helpful and much safer, you hardly get to slip the tyre with it on. On mode 1 of course.
You mentioned that you use EBS 1 because EBS 2 throws you into the handlebars. The controller on my 36V Razor EcoSmart scooter has only one connector for EBS labeled "low level brake". When I touch the brake lever it throws me into the handlebars. Using the mechanical band brake alone is like dragging your foot. Can you recommend a controller that offers EBS 1 and 2. I can't seem to find one.
Hi i just ordered emove touring.. It has only rear wheel brake.. Do you reccomend turning down the ebs to lowest setting ( non zero) so that rear tires dont lock up? Will that have significant increase in braking distance?
This is only advertised on nanrobot's ls7, not the d6 or d4. EBS is just regen, and it's really common on electric bike controllers as it slows you down, adds the energy back to the battery, and saves your brakes. You shouldn't have to pay > 3k to get it on a scooter.
I have a LS7+ ... And when i was going 50mph the ebs randomly kicked in, while i was in full throttle, it almost wiped me out.. luckely my steering damper was almost maxed out and that helped alot to be able to control the scooter from making a 90 degree turn. So be careful not everything you get new will work 100%.
Why are you returning it I thought you were happy with it. Maybe I missed a vid where you mentioned that. Vids are great thanks! I just got a Dualtron Ultra its insane and now I am broke lol.
3 reasons. The scooter goes 32mph top speed on flats. The scooter has crazy loud clanging front suspension. The scooters handlebars are cracked and JB welded together in that video. The new scooter fixes all of these things. And btw: congrats on the Dualtron. Probably the first time in history someone will write off a dualtron on their taxes lol
Ginger On Wheels Yes that sound is the beginning of the folding mechanism falling apart I remember telling you that at one point earlier. What are you going to buy? I’m excited!
@@yogadude1234 I'm trying my best to work with Nanrobot to upgrade my D4+ to an LS7, but they are being very unresponsive about it. It seems like they really just want to replace my D4+ with the newer D4+ version. There is a D4+2.1 , has rubber suspension bushing, optimized speed , and better handlebars (allegedly), so they are going to replace my current scooter with that.
Ginger On Wheels I hear you. Hopefully you won’t end up like me. I bought an Urbe Pro GT, Segway ES4 and even made my own Speedway 4 clones on Alibaba. The Urbe lost all its power and the battery is impossible to replace. The ES4 broke down pretty quickly and my clones are also falling apart. $5000 later I just really wish I would’ve purchased a $3000 DualTron.
@@GingerOnWheels Kinda twisted, now, on what to buy. It's mostly for my daughter and the last purchase I wanted to make was a refurbished Kugoo S1, good in Speed and adjustable steering pole height! But, I have to give up on online purchases, couldn't be shipped (Cyprus!). So, I have to buy local rides. There's one in a Toy Store branded Chic S-11, www.e-jumbo.gr/athlitika-eidi-paichnidia/skates-patinia-scooter/ilektrika-patinia/ilektriko-patini-1100-230-w-97x17x-99.5x45x107-cm_1489510/ Also with EBS but only a 4Ah battery. I'm gonna ask if it might be the latest version which could have a 5Ah battery already. Now, that I saw in your video how dangerous a front EBS brake can be, I'm a little worried and almost tempted to buy a cheaper Skateflash S1 or so which has the motor in the rear. Best I go to the shop and let them give me the manual in order to see if EBS can be switched to OFF. There's also the Xiaomi MI Essentials (non-adjustable steering pole, slow, inflatable tires (for me a negative, since I don't wanna pump anymore money into that vehicle, later). I'm also concerned about battery life. It's so hot here in Cyprus that most of my RC lipos puffed up and lose performance quite fast. Xiaomi will offer 6 months on the battery but they state it very wishy-washy: "significant performance loss" - LOL, can mean anything!
@@GingerOnWheels my problem with #2 is that is comes on unexpectedly. So at 30 mph and you slightly pull on the brake levers there's no resistance nothing at 20 mph. Only at around 15 mph or 10 mph it comes on suddenly and strongly. I wish they would program it for strong resistance at the moment you trigger it with brake levers.
@@MinhvuLy ya... the idea of electronic brakes is really cool and some scooters, like the Macwheel do it really well. But unfortunately Nanrobot just did a terrible job executing the electronic brake feature. It's usable on the first setting, barely. But ya, #2 has issues.
Its kinda weird I owned a 300 euros E-Scooter with EBS (only front EBS brake no disk and disk at rear) I tried it in snow and sometimes it keeps the tire from locking up and gives u enough time to react otherwise if u hold it long till stop u probably fall and lose control I put some screws in the tires for grip and works perfectly 😂
I was just curious! I'm trying to figure out the EBS system on a aftermarket chinese controller. I was thinking you possibly had an aftermarket controller on your scooter
Ya I sent that scooter back after consistent problems. Post-sales service with Nanrobot was a nightmare. I vowed to never get another Nanrobot because of it. Unless they really up their game some day, I'll be steering far away.
@@GingerOnWheels Seem's like I'm starting to notice problems with mine too ! My problem developed after I used the USB port to charge a light/phone accessory that NanRobot sold. They no longer have that light on their website ! Hmmmm ! The USB power supply was messing with the throttle speed ! The scooter would just suddenly stop working ! I'm still checking it out ! I'm still in the trial stage of this thing ! Compared to my GoPed, this thing blows GoPed away ! I was hoping that this was going to be the first time I like a Chinese product ! lol Thanks for the videos bro ! 👍
Nope not bad for them. That sort of grindy noise you're hearing was likely the fender rubbing on the knob of the new tire tread as the front suspension depresses under max braking power.
Ginger On Wheels hmm gotcha... I only wondered because you or another mentioned that if the wheel leaves the ground and spins at max rpms then hits the ground (slowing down motor) it could be bad for the motor.
Ginger On Wheels hmmm...okay... probably buying d4+ even tho I primarily will be taking it up steep hills to work...d5+ might be better off for me Idk I'm at a crossroad..
Pads are cheap and changed in seconds, motors are expensive and hard to change.... Thanks but I think I’ll just use the device that is already designed to stop me.
Man, that explains a lot, thank you so much! Going to put it at 1, at 2 there is too much stopping power on the fornt wheel (dual motors, obviously).
Glad I could help. Yes 1 is a good place to start!
Ok that explains the voosh, when i pull the brake levers on my e scooter. Just got my first e scooter. I had no idea mechanical brake werent good enough to stop. Thanks.
Thanks i realized I put my EBS on 2 and it felt strong. just put it to 1 :)
Great explanation and i look foward to you getting your new scooter.
Added you as a featured channel on my page ;)
With the right Vesc motor controller and a 3 wire analog output brake handle you can scale the regen EBS so the more you squeeze that harder the ebs regens and stops you.
Hey, I love your videos! They exactly explain same issues I had with mine scooter. Could you please tell me though, if the EBS kicks in at an instant when you press the brake lever or does take like 0,5 seconds? Cause mine does have a little delay.
Hey Jack ! Thanks for watching. The EBS does not kick in instantly. It takes about .5 seconds. There is a little delay with every scooter I've ridden with EBS :/
@@GingerOnWheels Thanks for the reply! I would like to see on your channel also a tutorial to make the scooter rain proof (waterproof) because I took mine out in a rainy day and water got inside the battery and I had to replace 6 cells in order to make it work again.
@@JackMaslovLive sure! I can do that when I get a chance. What kind of scoot do you ride?
@@GingerOnWheels The nanrobot d4+, old version. Got 1200 miles on it. Also relating to the video, I use EBS all the time it's very helpful and much safer, you hardly get to slip the tyre with it on. On mode 1 of course.
Nice to know Will be
Getting a Wolf Warrior X Pro soon.
Great video man!
EBS activates as soon as you touch the brake lever or as soon as you start squeezing the brake lever?
Nice explanation. A lot of these terms are new to me. Is there any electric scooter courses to learn how to self repair or upgrade?
Does it have to be in a certain setting besides p9 setting 1 or 2 to work?
You mentioned that you use EBS 1 because EBS 2 throws you into the handlebars. The controller on my 36V Razor EcoSmart scooter has only one connector for EBS labeled "low level brake". When I touch the brake lever it throws me into the handlebars. Using the mechanical band brake alone is like dragging your foot. Can you recommend a controller that offers EBS 1 and 2. I can't seem to find one.
Do you need a break lever to engage the ebs ( or can I use a thumb throttle to connect it up ? , much appreciated for the demo btw
Brake lever works best since the ebs isn't progressive. It's on or off so having a throttle type lever wouldn't be of much benefit.
@@GingerOnWheels greatly appreciated, I guess that makes sense thank you. 🙏
Hi i just ordered emove touring.. It has only rear wheel brake.. Do you reccomend turning down the ebs to lowest setting ( non zero) so that rear tires dont lock up? Will that have significant increase in braking distance?
This is only advertised on nanrobot's ls7, not the d6 or d4. EBS is just regen, and it's really common on electric bike controllers as it slows you down, adds the energy back to the battery, and saves your brakes. You shouldn't have to pay > 3k to get it on a scooter.
No. Not the same as scooter ebs. You're just talking about regen brakes.
@@GingerOnWheels what the difference between the two? Dose electronic braking charge the battery?
I have a LS7+ ... And when i was going 50mph the ebs randomly kicked in, while i was in full throttle, it almost wiped me out.. luckely my steering damper was almost maxed out and that helped alot to be able to control the scooter from making a 90 degree turn. So be careful not everything you get new will work 100%.
Where did you order the red grips from ?
Hm , that was a long time ago but I think they were spare grips that I had from a wolf Warrior scooter.
YES THANKS GOOD IDEA HELPS SAVE BOTH MAYBE YOUR LIFE AND BRAKES PADS.
What was the out come with Nanrobot and replacement?
This one never got replaced. I sent it back for a full refund.
Does anyone know the P parameter for this on LH-100 ?
Why are you returning it I thought you were happy with it. Maybe I missed a vid where you mentioned that. Vids are great thanks! I just got a Dualtron Ultra its insane and now I am broke lol.
3 reasons. The scooter goes 32mph top speed on flats. The scooter has crazy loud clanging front suspension. The scooters handlebars are cracked and JB welded together in that video.
The new scooter fixes all of these things.
And btw: congrats on the Dualtron. Probably the first time in history someone will write off a dualtron on their taxes lol
Ginger On Wheels Yes that sound is the beginning of the folding mechanism falling apart I remember telling you that at one point earlier. What are you going to buy? I’m excited!
@@yogadude1234 I'm trying my best to work with Nanrobot to upgrade my D4+ to an LS7, but they are being very unresponsive about it. It seems like they really just want to replace my D4+ with the newer D4+ version. There is a D4+2.1 , has rubber suspension bushing, optimized speed , and better handlebars (allegedly), so they are going to replace my current scooter with that.
Ginger On Wheels I hear you. Hopefully you won’t end up like me. I bought an Urbe Pro GT, Segway ES4 and even made my own Speedway 4 clones on Alibaba. The Urbe lost all its power and the battery is impossible to replace. The ES4 broke down pretty quickly and my clones are also falling apart. $5000 later I just really wish I would’ve purchased a $3000 DualTron.
@@yogadude1234 how's the Dualtron ultra treating you?
Does EBS re-charge the battery, also?
In theory it does, but I imagine very slowly.
@@GingerOnWheels Kinda twisted, now, on what to buy. It's mostly for my daughter and the last purchase I wanted to make was a refurbished Kugoo S1, good in Speed and adjustable steering pole height! But, I have to give up on online purchases, couldn't be shipped (Cyprus!). So, I have to buy local rides. There's one in a Toy Store branded Chic S-11, www.e-jumbo.gr/athlitika-eidi-paichnidia/skates-patinia-scooter/ilektrika-patinia/ilektriko-patini-1100-230-w-97x17x-99.5x45x107-cm_1489510/ Also with EBS but only a 4Ah battery. I'm gonna ask if it might be the latest version which could have a 5Ah battery already. Now, that I saw in your video how dangerous a front EBS brake can be, I'm a little worried and almost tempted to buy a cheaper Skateflash S1 or so which has the motor in the rear. Best I go to the shop and let them give me the manual in order to see if EBS can be switched to OFF. There's also the Xiaomi MI Essentials (non-adjustable steering pole, slow, inflatable tires (for me a negative, since I don't wanna pump anymore money into that vehicle, later). I'm also concerned about battery life. It's so hot here in Cyprus that most of my RC lipos puffed up and lose performance quite fast. Xiaomi will offer 6 months on the battery but they state it very wishy-washy: "significant performance loss" - LOL, can mean anything!
What ebs setting did you demonstrate in the video? 1 or 2?
I used setting #1.
#2 is too powerful for me. Feels unsafe.
@@GingerOnWheels my problem with #2 is that is comes on unexpectedly. So at 30 mph and you slightly pull on the brake levers there's no resistance nothing at 20 mph. Only at around 15 mph or 10 mph it comes on suddenly and strongly. I wish they would program it for strong resistance at the moment you trigger it with brake levers.
@@MinhvuLy ya... the idea of electronic brakes is really cool and some scooters, like the Macwheel do it really well. But unfortunately Nanrobot just did a terrible job executing the electronic brake feature. It's usable on the first setting, barely. But ya, #2 has issues.
Its kinda weird
I owned a 300 euros E-Scooter with EBS (only front EBS brake no disk and disk at rear)
I tried it in snow and sometimes it keeps the tire from locking up and gives u enough time to react otherwise if u hold it long till stop u probably fall and lose control
I put some screws in the tires for grip and works perfectly 😂
Ya I wanna try that technique for studded tires.
What motor controller are you using
I don't know which controller was in this Nanrobot.
I was just curious! I'm trying to figure out the EBS system on a aftermarket chinese controller. I was thinking you possibly had an aftermarket controller on your scooter
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Dang even setting it on 1 is a bit much. Wish there was a setting between 1 & 0.
Good information!
You're sending the scooter back ??
Ya I sent that scooter back after consistent problems. Post-sales service with Nanrobot was a nightmare. I vowed to never get another Nanrobot because of it. Unless they really up their game some day, I'll be steering far away.
@@GingerOnWheels
Seem's like I'm starting to notice problems with mine too ! My problem developed after I used the USB port to charge a light/phone accessory that NanRobot sold. They no longer have that light on their website ! Hmmmm !
The USB power supply was messing with the throttle speed !
The scooter would just suddenly stop working !
I'm still checking it out !
I'm still in the trial stage of this thing !
Compared to my GoPed, this thing blows GoPed away !
I was hoping that this was going to be the first time I like a Chinese product ! lol
Thanks for the videos bro ! 👍
@@williamtsol636 ha! I started with Gopeds too! Goped sport in blue with like 2.5hp. upgraded carb, exhaust, header kit and k&n.
@@GingerOnWheels 👍
I tried and don't hear anything or feel difference
Is EBS BAD for the motors at all? Sounds kinda grindy...
Nope not bad for them. That sort of grindy noise you're hearing was likely the fender rubbing on the knob of the new tire tread as the front suspension depresses under max braking power.
Ginger On Wheels hmm gotcha... I only wondered because you or another mentioned that if the wheel leaves the ground and spins at max rpms then hits the ground (slowing down motor) it could be bad for the motor.
@@bobcoleman9045 rotor* like brake rotor
Sorry it's hard to understand :/
Ginger On Wheels hmmm...okay... probably buying d4+ even tho I primarily will be taking it up steep hills to work...d5+ might be better off for me Idk I'm at a crossroad..
Pads are cheap and changed in seconds, motors are expensive and hard to change.... Thanks but I think I’ll just use the device that is already designed to stop me.
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