Hi guys, Cluck Easton here, Scholagladiatoria. I wanted to film myself practicing some pecking techniques from Camillo Eggrippa's renaissance Italian treatise on some grubs and bugs in my garden. Judging by the ringing sounds nearby, I suspect my human, Matt, will have a new sword review up soon. Now, let's get on with today's video!
ken harding demonstrates his sources, and other italian sources as well. i'm not sure how much, but it's a good resource if you have english speaking friends
Loved the last combo. (And the chicken cameo.) It's a chilling reminder that in the real world, you don't have to be swinging very hard to do some horrific damage with a sharp sword.
Some daggers in the later Renaissance & early modern period developed elaborate hand protection to the point of almost becoming bucklers themselves. These could have rather long blades as well. One example of this is the alehouse dagger in England. You also see parrying daggers with partial basket hilts in Italy & Spain in the 17th century. Such daggers were probably rather more effective than simple daggers when companying the sword. Joseph Swetnam's rapier & dagger system uses a 2ft dagger with this sort of protective hilt.
I wonder if this development is because the cut-centric "backswords" in common use in England at the time but still the need to defend against the thrust-centric rapiers that were also popular?
@@Urizen777 I concur, there is a "daga de vela" in the rijksmuseum, Amsterdam, dated between 1600 and 1625, that is probably the earliest dated of this type.
Bolognese fencing is very sophisticated and addictive. I never get tired of the subject. The descriptions of the techniques and the science behind them are detailed enough to be executed with resistance and in contact sparring.
He is demonstrating obscene good technique. It is not easy to cut a free standing bottle and have it stylus in place once, let alone multiple times. He makes it look easy but it is not. It indicates that his cutting technique and edge alignment are very very good. There is so much more to using a sword than simply “swinging” it like a baseball bat.
It depends how thick the plastic is and how much water it contains. Sturdier bottles with more water are generally easier because they’re heavier and don’t flex as much when hit.
+scholagladiatoria *Left-hand parrying arms varied throughout continental Europe, the British Isles and Eire.* Double-edged quillon daggers were popular in France, Italy, and the German states; double-edged sail-hilt daggers, in Spain and Portugal. Ballocks and dudgeons held sway in England and Wales, single-edged dirks in Scotland and Eire. A unique-to-Scotland battle shield called the Targe sometimes packed a long spike from the center boss, making said shield suitable for attack in its _own_ left.
Small mistake, there is no buckler in Dall'Aggochie ;) Only sword alone, sword and dagger and sword and cape. But you are correct that for Marozzo and Manciolino, the sword and buckler section is by far the largest (and the first) of both their treatises :)
@@frenchgalloglass Makes sense, the same side draw with the left hand and cross draw with right. only problem would be how lopsided the weight distribution on your waist would be. I know from tool and work belts that balancing your belt vastly reduces the strain on your back. Did they have some sort of counter weight to address this?
Matt, thank you for featuring my comment, and for addressing it with a video!😁 This was definitely a transitional time in swordsmanship, which is part of what makes it so interesting! I also loved the sword & buckler cutting! Sword & buckler is my very favorite genre of fencing, so this was a great treat!
The first time I bought a sharp sword, I dropped it off at home and went to a nearby coffee shop and raided their recycling bin for empty milk jugs and had an exceptionally happy afternoon rinsing them, filling them, and then turning my back yard into a swamp when cutting them. I was a giggling idiot the whole time; I can't recommend it enough.
Matt, I would really like to see you get together with a farmer and test out different styles of swords against fresh whole hogs. As long as you put a clean tarp and immediately butcher and clean the animal, there wouldn't be any wasted meat. The farmer may not be allowed to legally sell the meat afterward, depending on your laws over there. But it would be fine for them to use as well as give away to friends and family or donate it to charity. I have done a bit of test cutting on some wild hogs I've hunted. Every test cutting video I have seen using an animal it has already been bled and gutted. At the time of my testing, I didn't have access to any historically accurate clothing or armor to dress it with to test how that would affect the cuts.
Great stuff as usual! Very impressed with the final flourish! I did wonder why later bucklers had more furniture - it didn't occur to me that it wasn't just fashion. Keep up the good work.
It was rather striking in your readings of primary sources how the guys with the sword and buckler tended to win IRL fights against sword and dagger people.
I really enjoyed this video, especially the demonstrations of the two styles. Could you make a longer, dedicated video showing the differences between sword & buckler, and sword/rapier & Maine gauche? Or perhaps a video in which you show how the systems evolve throughout the medieval period and into the renaissance?
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Really enjoyed your techniques, that answered lots of questions. You mentioned the off-grinding from the cut grind to the ricasso, on the original that is not square cut but in an angle and rounded, just aside notice on the blade that would make it an even more beautifull sword.
In my experience, left-handed daggers are more suited to fight against rapiers and small swords. Arming swords and others not designed primarily for the thrust much more easily overpower the dagger. Bucklers can defend anything that a left-handed dagger can and more while being easier to use. The only advantage daggers have is that they are generally a better offensive weapon than the buckler.
You could also posit that the development of more complex hilts for better hand protection resulted in a decreased need for bucklers to do that same job. This freed up the offhand for a more flexible alternative, such as the dagger (some of which developed considerable hand protection of their own). Daggers are also more convenient (lighter and less bulky) to carry around than bucklers. Loved that last cutting combo, by the way.
Yup. Bucklers also acquired a bad social reputation, implying that the person carrying one was seeking trouble. Daggers, on the other hand were ubiquitous, and didn't draw undue attention.
By the way, Matt, maybe it's just me, but I really enjoyed that video where you made a point about the expected quality of arrows that were delivered across Britain (at least the ones for war). It would be interesting to find about standards of other arms and armour. Not sure if people agree.
Was watching this video and was certain that our chickens were going ham. Lol, I had to stop and rewind repeatedly to see if they were our chickens. The exact same plaintive cry. Your video had me. First time you put the chicken up I had a moment of cognitive dissonance, I thought the image was relative to something you said, which I'd just lost track of because I was listening to the chickens, and I was staggered by the incredibly long chance that you put up a chicken just as my chicken cried out. I disbelieved reality for a moment. I rewound the video because I couldn't believe it, and learned that I'm a fool, and the chicken audio was in the video, and you put up the pick when YOUR chickens cried out! Sorry, bad week and this has been the most interesting/fun thing to happen. God bless.
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I really like when people on internet are moving gracefully with swords while smiling calmly and showing how fun it is, without an ounce of agressivity. It shows the worlds HEMA aren't a "violent murderer's sport" like a lot of people try to present it.
Can you cover more on small shields in the migration era? Particularly, were they carried outside of war contexts like bucklers? I've seen that the Franks, like Romans (with parmas) appear to have worn shields like later bucklers.
I love my buckler! My friends and I don’t have a very large pool of weapon options, so we’re usually sparring with miss matched gear, I use buckler and backsword or saber, and that little buckler makes me more than capable of taking on a staff or longsword!
One important combination was completely neglected in this video - the famous "sword and butler", favored mostly on the British isles. If you are wealthy enough, you don't have to bother yourself with training the art of fencing - it's sufficient if the butler trains often enough. When walking around the city, the butler carries the sword. Upon conflict (someone forgets to bow before you, for example), the butler raises his eyebrow, and asks: "Shall I, milord?", you just nod, and the butler draws the sword and runs the brutalizes the offender. If you are unlucky and there are witnesses, you deny all responsibility and the butler is sentenced for murder instead of you, while you look for a substitute butler. Clean, gentlemanly, and effortless approach!
I have seen both in pictures and in a museum in Italy a very unusual Buckler. I haven't been able to track down further information. The body of the buckler is essentially conical with a very long "spike" which continues the cone to a point. I am trying to imagine how and when it was used and if it has a unique name that would make it possible to track down more details.
The gap on the finger guard looks more like so the scabbard covers the entire blade. A cost design if you will, instead of having a scabbard that's got a notch for the ring, you can just use any leather scabbard that fits the blade, and the ring will sit outside when stowed. I could be wrong, I'm used to single edged swords that only fit one way, but I'd imagine the option of putting the sword either way in the scabbard is a nice option to have.
Matt; could you do a video on some of the more obscure shapes of Buckler, and how they might be used ? I've seen things in sword fighting treatises that have corrugations or channels, ones that are covered in spikes, ones that have swept-forward edges (Talhoffer Ms.), ones that incorporate dagger-like blades, etc, etc. It strikes me that the ordinary shield-boss type may not be the most practical - if anybody knows about weird alternatives it would probably be you ! Thanks !
This explains in Shakespeare's Henry IV pt 1 why Hotspur refers to Hal as that "sword and buckler Prince of Wales" and it's meant as an insult. Sword and buckler were the weapons of pikemen, archers, etc and not of the nobility. Always wondered about this... thanks!
I really like these videos about transitional weapons, and these videos with demonstrations. This one has both; too bad I can't give it double thumbs up on TH-cam.
One of the benefits of not connecting the ring to the side of the blade, is that you could possibly stretch it out slightly for bigger fingers or gloved hands
I find the parrying dagger better but I'm a rapierist lol. It's because sometimes the opportunity to stab with the dagger presents itself, its rare but it happens, it has more versatility.
Matt, first of all I like your choice of music. You could easily do a whole video course demonstrating a sword fighting system in that style. Maybe see if Wondrium/Great Courses might be interested in a course on fencing? 😅
I honestly think the ring is NOT for protecting the finger intentionally, but just to enforce the extra control with the finger in that position. Locking it in a little better so to speak. Any protection gained from the ring is secondary. This being quite a long choppy kind of blade, being adapted for more complex styles, it makes sense to want that extra control in my mind.
I'd be curious to see if that finger ring saved peoples thumbs since you won't have to put your thumb up the back of the blade to get a better spin on those reversos/false edge cuts. also 100% agree, that ring is for better leverage. the buckler is for hand protection.
Your finger shouldn't be touching the ring while your fencing though. And speaking from experience, it sucks when it does, it'll rub your skin raw 😅 tends to happen accidentally if you over-rotate your wrist
About bucklers and thrust defense: a guy in my hema club has a buckler that has a kind of a reinforced bar around it (sorry for this unclear description but I don't know how to say it in english). His buckler is very effective in catching thrusts and if I remember correctly actually broke an opponent's blade once during a thrust. That said of course bucklers are generally better for defence against cuts
One of the best duels in the Highlander Tv series is with a rapier and a side dagger. The antagonist is a Spaniard and old fencing teacher of the protagonist. The teacher uses exactly a technique of dagger taking over the rapier to land a stab. I know the series had very bad duels but this one is proper, for my humble opinion.
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Toledo swords in Spain are famous for their quality for centuries their fame has reached today even abroad for exemple the swords that the Marines wear in their uniform are made there
Awesome follow-up video! I start to like your chicken even though I haven't met them. Those are some clean back-edge cuts and combos around the buckler. Leaving a bottle on the stand with a rising back-edge cut is always challenging! I always find myself opening up too much while cutting around a buckler, as I smashed my fingers into the rim of a buckler before during cutting and it was unpleasant to say the least, so subconsciously I always keep my sword hand away from the buckler and that's not a good habit in fencing.
IMHO as well I was taught A REASON was also society changes. A Dagger is utility tool. It is used for eating. You can also hide a small dagger and use it for defense. It was also the time that daggers become and more more popular in the upper crust of society. Fashionable in that time as we were getting into the middle of the Renaissance Period. A buckler is strictly a defensive, military item with 3 basic sizes 9",12" and 15". 18" was considered a small shield. I had Sword and Board Training and I specialized in Sword, Sabre, Cutlass + all 3 sizes of Bucklers. Don't let the small size of the buckler fool you. It can be a very good offensive weapon as well.
I don't think that finger ring is for protection, but more for leverage/control. The buckler is for hand protection. I'd be curious to see how the LK Chen's Ribaldo works with 1.33.
I recently discovered the channel, and I'm binge watching it. I want to suggest a topic if others are interested - what do you consider most practical blade bigger than knife, to be used by civilians in a SHTF situation (fall of civilization type)? I was thinking maybe Gladius, Sabre or Falx.
Just a small correction: Dall'Agocchie didn't write about sword and buckler, at all. His treatise is about sword alone, sword and dagger, sword and cape (and jousting, and battlefield formations).
George Silver's Paradoxes of Defense Although I have often heard the opinion that the sword and dagger have an advantage over the sword and buckler in close combat, due to the length and point of the dagger, and at a medium distance * they can see how to defend themselves better than with a buckler. But I have never met anyone who has the upper hand in close combat with a dagger over a sword and buckler, but have repeatedly observed the opposite. Due to the broken distance, the correct assessment becomes impossible, there is no time for assessment, the rapid movement of the brush deceives the eye. Due to the lack of proper space for the hand with a dagger (which cannot be otherwise, since one cannot immediately defend against blows and thrusts), it is impossible (due to the lack of the correct distance at the moment when the opponent has already taken up the correct position) to take defense on one a prick or a blow from a hundred. And most likely, any entry into close combat with a sword and dagger against a sword and buckler is fraught with deadly
From what I read, sword and dagger could deliberate choose to close the distance ONLY when the opponent doesn’t have a dagger because the fear of dagger fight (which is very likely to end up in double kill).
16th century book by George Silver "Paradoxes of Defense" excerpt. .- So those who believe in their style of fighting, excellent eyes, great skill, perfect defenses with a dagger, that a dagger is better than a buckler, will be deceived. And when they are wounded, they will say that the enemy was a little bit faster than them. Sometimes they say they hold their dagger a little too low. Sometimes, when they are stabbed under a dagger, they say that they held it a little higher than they should. Sometimes, when they got a wonderful response to their injection, they say that they were a little slower. And when they are greeted with a successful injection, they think that they were a little hasty. Those who practice or think they will master dagger defense will spend their lives learning and never learn. (18)
I wonder when does the popularity sword and dagger combo fall. I know that some small sword system (e.g., Angelo) still has sword and dagger, but such combo doesn’t seem to be particularly popular by that time. And shame that I haven’t found any system that teaches saber and dagger (something I absolutely would like to learn).
Is that sword cutting like that out of the box or did you sharpen it? Some tremendous moves at the end. You make those sequences look easy but the skill is readily apparent when one watches carefully.
Great video. It is so interesting to see how these weapons and “systems” evolved over time. Is it not also true that many main gauche daggers had a kite shaped shell guard? Sort of like a little buckler?
In the last video, I kept wondering why one would think to put a ring on one side but not the other, but it suddenly occurs to me that if a person wanted to wear this sword in civilian and military life, having the ring on only one side allows you to put your finger over the guard in gauntlets and without simply by turning the sword around.
Man I love this sword! It's really gorgeous, and it seems like a wicked cutter. Where does the storta fall in history, in relation to this style of sword? I have the synthetic Blackfencer storta and I love it, though I haven't sparred with it yet. I like the guard a lot.
New to this subject - genuine question - would a soldier of the 16th C carry a rapier and dagger or more of an arming sword and a buckler? Or was the rapier + dagger more of a gentleman’s weapon set? Informative vid as always 👏
yes they are more so dueling and for self defense. military swords were generally heavier duty and really polearms and spears were much more common as the "main" combat weapons and swords are just a backup weapon
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One of the questions that occurs is the question of why Europeans did not develop a main gauche similar to the sword breakers that the Japanese Police developed to control swords when the laws and customs changed.
"Sword and buckler was still the most popular in the 1530s. When we get to Agrippa's time" Having learned about the Second Triumvirate, I thought your were going *backwards* in time for a second there.
Hi guys, Cluck Easton here, Scholagladiatoria. I wanted to film myself practicing some pecking techniques from Camillo Eggrippa's renaissance Italian treatise on some grubs and bugs in my garden. Judging by the ringing sounds nearby, I suspect my human, Matt, will have a new sword review up soon. Now, let's get on with today's video!
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Cluck Easton is so adorable!!! My own fowl companions approve heartily.
It's a sure sign of Spring when the cutting videos start up again! 😀
It was still freezing today - that's why I put the fencing jacket on!!
Need some hot biscuits with maple syrup & bacon or warm Irish Stew. 🍽
What's your favorite Campfire Meal?
OMG! Achille Marozzo's techniques! It's the first time I see his school in a non-italian YT channel. Thumbs up from Italy 👍🏻👍🏻
ken harding demonstrates his sources, and other italian sources as well. i'm not sure how much, but it's a good resource if you have english speaking friends
You should do yourself a favor and check out Martin at Schildwache Potsdam.
They do Marozzo among other Italian sources.
Loved the last combo.
(And the chicken cameo.)
It's a chilling reminder that in the real world, you don't have to be swinging very hard to do some horrific damage with a sharp sword.
Thank you for providing a photograph of Clive Thomas at 0:41!
Some daggers in the later Renaissance & early modern period developed elaborate hand protection to the point of almost becoming bucklers themselves. These could have rather long blades as well. One example of this is the alehouse dagger in England. You also see parrying daggers with partial basket hilts in Italy & Spain in the 17th century. Such daggers were probably rather more effective than simple daggers when companying the sword. Joseph Swetnam's rapier & dagger system uses a 2ft dagger with this sort of protective hilt.
"That's not a dagger. THIS is a dagger!"
I wonder if this development is because the cut-centric "backswords" in common use in England at the time but still the need to defend against the thrust-centric rapiers that were also popular?
@@Urizen777 I concur, there is a "daga de vela" in the rijksmuseum, Amsterdam, dated between 1600 and 1625, that is probably the earliest dated of this type.
I suspect they were called alehouse daggers, because one wasn't allowed to wear short swords to the pub.
Bolognese fencing is very sophisticated and addictive. I never get tired of the subject.
The descriptions of the techniques and the science behind them are detailed enough to be executed with resistance and in contact sparring.
Mad respect for 2 things. Matt's sword work on the cutting, and how beastly a cutter that sword is.
I don't know how hard it is but it looks impressive cutting the same bottle like that multiple times
He is demonstrating obscene good technique.
It is not easy to cut a free standing bottle and have it stylus in place once, let alone multiple times.
He makes it look easy but it is not.
It indicates that his cutting technique and edge alignment are very very good.
There is so much more to using a sword than simply “swinging” it like a baseball bat.
It depends how thick the plastic is and how much water it contains. Sturdier bottles with more water are generally easier because they’re heavier and don’t flex as much when hit.
"Hum, batter, batter, batter!" "Hey, batter, batter, batter!" "Swing, batter, batter, batter!"
Averman.
Comparatively, the cutting is easy; it's gluing them back together that's really annoying.
+scholagladiatoria *Left-hand parrying arms varied throughout continental Europe, the British Isles and Eire.* Double-edged quillon daggers were popular in France, Italy, and the German states; double-edged sail-hilt daggers, in Spain and Portugal. Ballocks and dudgeons held sway in England and Wales, single-edged dirks in Scotland and Eire. A unique-to-Scotland battle shield called the Targe sometimes packed a long spike from the center boss, making said shield suitable for attack in its _own_ left.
Small mistake, there is no buckler in Dall'Aggochie ;) Only sword alone, sword and dagger and sword and cape. But you are correct that for Marozzo and Manciolino, the sword and buckler section is by far the largest (and the first) of both their treatises :)
Oh! My mistake then. I wonder what later Italian/Bolognese sword and buckler source I am thinking of.
@@scholagladiatoria Giacomo di Grassi has some, I think it's from the same era (1570s) and he might be one of the last ones to teach this combination
do you happen to know how bucklers were carried? same sort of manner as a dagger? or would you have them over your shoulder on display?
@@beepboop204 they were usually carried at the belt, on the sword side, maybe sometimes even sitting kn the sword hilt, as far as I'm aware
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Makes sense, the same side draw with the left hand and cross draw with right. only problem would be how lopsided the weight distribution on your waist would be. I know from tool and work belts that balancing your belt vastly reduces the strain on your back. Did they have some sort of counter weight to address this?
Matt, thank you for featuring my comment, and for addressing it with a video!😁 This was definitely a transitional time in swordsmanship, which is part of what makes it so interesting! I also loved the sword & buckler cutting! Sword & buckler is my very favorite genre of fencing, so this was a great treat!
Also; look at Matt’s style! The moves aren’t even at full speed and he cut it like butter! Awesome!
That final cutting sequence got me so freaking excited it’s unreasonable. I NEED to start cutting practice!
The first time I bought a sharp sword, I dropped it off at home and went to a nearby coffee shop and raided their recycling bin for empty milk jugs and had an exceptionally happy afternoon rinsing them, filling them, and then turning my back yard into a swamp when cutting them.
I was a giggling idiot the whole time; I can't recommend it enough.
Matt,
I would really like to see you get together with a farmer and test out different styles of swords against fresh whole hogs. As long as you put a clean tarp and immediately butcher and clean the animal, there wouldn't be any wasted meat. The farmer may not be allowed to legally sell the meat afterward, depending on your laws over there. But it would be fine for them to use as well as give away to friends and family or donate it to charity. I have done a bit of test cutting on some wild hogs I've hunted. Every test cutting video I have seen using an animal it has already been bled and gutted. At the time of my testing, I didn't have access to any historically accurate clothing or armor to dress it with to test how that would affect the cuts.
Fantastic demonstrations! Such poise and finesse. The final thrust at the end was the cherry on the cake. *chef's kiss*
Great stuff as usual!
Very impressed with the final flourish!
I did wonder why later bucklers had more furniture - it didn't occur to me that it wasn't just fashion.
Keep up the good work.
It was rather striking in your readings of primary sources how the guys with the sword and buckler tended to win IRL fights against sword and dagger people.
I love the way the slow-motion showed your head/shield positioning during combat.
I really enjoyed this video, especially the demonstrations of the two styles.
Could you make a longer, dedicated video showing the differences between sword & buckler, and sword/rapier & Maine gauche? Or perhaps a video in which you show how the systems evolve throughout the medieval period and into the renaissance?
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That last combo was fancy! Making edge alignment look easy.
Love the look of calm concentration during practice.
Really enjoyed your techniques, that answered lots of questions. You mentioned the off-grinding from the cut grind to the ricasso, on the original that is not square cut but in an angle and rounded, just aside notice on the blade that would make it an even more beautifull sword.
Beautiful sword and buckler control Matt.
I learned a lot of cool stuff from this video. Thank you, Arnold Swordanddagger.
In my experience, left-handed daggers are more suited to fight against rapiers and small swords. Arming swords and others not designed primarily for the thrust much more easily overpower the dagger. Bucklers can defend anything that a left-handed dagger can and more while being easier to use. The only advantage daggers have is that they are generally a better offensive weapon than the buckler.
You could also posit that the development of more complex hilts for better hand protection resulted in a decreased need for bucklers to do that same job. This freed up the offhand for a more flexible alternative, such as the dagger (some of which developed considerable hand protection of their own). Daggers are also more convenient (lighter and less bulky) to carry around than bucklers. Loved that last cutting combo, by the way.
Yup. Bucklers also acquired a bad social reputation, implying that the person carrying one was seeking trouble. Daggers, on the other hand were ubiquitous, and didn't draw undue attention.
4:16 When you went over the gaps in hand defense, it made me think that it's no wonder basket-hilts became a thing during (?) this era.
Thanks!
Thanks!
By the way, Matt, maybe it's just me, but I really enjoyed that video where you made a point about the expected quality of arrows that were delivered across Britain (at least the ones for war). It would be interesting to find about standards of other arms and armour. Not sure if people agree.
Was watching this video and was certain that our chickens were going ham. Lol, I had to stop and rewind repeatedly to see if they were our chickens. The exact same plaintive cry. Your video had me.
First time you put the chicken up I had a moment of cognitive dissonance, I thought the image was relative to something you said, which I'd just lost track of because I was listening to the chickens, and I was staggered by the incredibly long chance that you put up a chicken just as my chicken cried out. I disbelieved reality for a moment. I rewound the video because I couldn't believe it, and learned that I'm a fool, and the chicken audio was in the video, and you put up the pick when YOUR chickens cried out!
Sorry, bad week and this has been the most interesting/fun thing to happen. God bless.
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I really like when people on internet are moving gracefully with swords while smiling calmly and showing how fun it is, without an ounce of agressivity.
It shows the worlds HEMA aren't a "violent murderer's sport" like a lot of people try to present it.
Thank you for another look at that excellent sword in action.
Beautiful movement on last cutting Matt 👌 Bravo 👏
Brilliant cuts there, especially loved the finale
Can you cover more on small shields in the migration era? Particularly, were they carried outside of war contexts like bucklers? I've seen that the Franks, like Romans (with parmas) appear to have worn shields like later bucklers.
I love my buckler! My friends and I don’t have a very large pool of weapon options, so we’re usually sparring with miss matched gear, I use buckler and backsword or saber, and that little buckler makes me more than capable of taking on a staff or longsword!
Yeah, bucklers are way more capable than one would assume from just looking at them.
Awesome - I love sword and buckler and hope to learn I.33 some day.
Can’t wait for the cut test video of the new 1796 LC saber.
One important combination was completely neglected in this video - the famous "sword and butler", favored mostly on the British isles. If you are wealthy enough, you don't have to bother yourself with training the art of fencing - it's sufficient if the butler trains often enough. When walking around the city, the butler carries the sword. Upon conflict (someone forgets to bow before you, for example), the butler raises his eyebrow, and asks: "Shall I, milord?", you just nod, and the butler draws the sword and runs the brutalizes the offender. If you are unlucky and there are witnesses, you deny all responsibility and the butler is sentenced for murder instead of you, while you look for a substitute butler. Clean, gentlemanly, and effortless approach!
Brilliant Matt thank you history and practical examples illustrated... fantastic
YES! more field videos, thanks Mr. Eastern 👊🏽
I love sideswords. This is awesome!
Legit cutting at the end there Matt, nice.
Awesome vid, Matt. LK sure does sharp swords well. Great buckler knowledge nuggets, too.
That last series of cuts, followed by the thrust... Now you are showing off! 🤣😎🔥
The cuts at the end were great, you make it look very dangerous. Cheers
Love the ending... effortlessly cuts and stabs like a boss, "That'll do."
Hope to get a copy in a few months. Beautiful sword.
I have seen both in pictures and in a museum in Italy a very unusual Buckler. I haven't been able to track down further information. The body of the buckler is essentially conical with a very long "spike" which continues the cone to a point. I am trying to imagine how and when it was used and if it has a unique name that would make it possible to track down more details.
One of your better videos, thanks!
The gap on the finger guard looks more like so the scabbard covers the entire blade. A cost design if you will, instead of having a scabbard that's got a notch for the ring, you can just use any leather scabbard that fits the blade, and the ring will sit outside when stowed. I could be wrong, I'm used to single edged swords that only fit one way, but I'd imagine the option of putting the sword either way in the scabbard is a nice option to have.
Matt; could you do a video on some of the more obscure shapes of Buckler, and how they might be used ? I've seen things in sword fighting treatises that have corrugations or channels, ones that are covered in spikes, ones that have swept-forward edges (Talhoffer Ms.), ones that incorporate dagger-like blades, etc, etc. It strikes me that the ordinary shield-boss type may not be the most practical - if anybody knows about weird alternatives it would probably be you ! Thanks !
This explains in Shakespeare's Henry IV pt 1 why Hotspur refers to Hal as that "sword and buckler Prince of Wales" and it's meant as an insult. Sword and buckler were the weapons of pikemen, archers, etc and not of the nobility. Always wondered about this... thanks!
I would love you to do a post on the targe, or claymore and targe.
I really like these videos about transitional weapons, and these videos with demonstrations. This one has both; too bad I can't give it double thumbs up on TH-cam.
Beautiful sword
One of the benefits of not connecting the ring to the side of the blade, is that you could possibly stretch it out slightly for bigger fingers or gloved hands
I find the parrying dagger better but I'm a rapierist lol. It's because sometimes the opportunity to stab with the dagger presents itself, its rare but it happens, it has more versatility.
Matt, first of all I like your choice of music. You could easily do a whole video course demonstrating a sword fighting system in that style. Maybe see if Wondrium/Great Courses might be interested in a course on fencing? 😅
By the way, there is going to be a dedicated "sword cutting" workshop in HEMAC Dijon this May with a well-known instructor.
Loved the guest appearance by the chickens.
I honestly think the ring is NOT for protecting the finger intentionally, but just to enforce the extra control with the finger in that position. Locking it in a little better so to speak. Any protection gained from the ring is secondary. This being quite a long choppy kind of blade, being adapted for more complex styles, it makes sense to want that extra control in my mind.
I'd be curious to see if that finger ring saved peoples thumbs since you won't have to put your thumb up the back of the blade to get a better spin on those reversos/false edge cuts. also 100% agree, that ring is for better leverage. the buckler is for hand protection.
Your finger shouldn't be touching the ring while your fencing though. And speaking from experience, it sucks when it does, it'll rub your skin raw 😅 tends to happen accidentally if you over-rotate your wrist
@@_tonypacheco are you speaking for all finger rings for side swords or just this particular LK Chen Ribaldo model?
@@ffe4953 side rings in general
About bucklers and thrust defense: a guy in my hema club has a buckler that has a kind of a reinforced bar around it (sorry for this unclear description but I don't know how to say it in english). His buckler is very effective in catching thrusts and if I remember correctly actually broke an opponent's blade once during a thrust. That said of course bucklers are generally better for defence against cuts
I liked the background music at the end
More anonimo bolognese videos please.
Would also be great to have a follow up cuts video with ribaldo and rotella together.
One of the best duels in the Highlander Tv series is with a rapier and a side dagger. The antagonist is a Spaniard and old fencing teacher of the protagonist.
The teacher uses exactly a technique of dagger taking over the rapier to land a stab.
I know the series had very bad duels but this one is proper, for my humble opinion.
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Longer video on the subject of the rise of sword and dagger fencing?
Yes please.
More sources too?
Excellent video. Very informative.
Toledo swords in Spain are famous for their quality for centuries their fame has reached today even abroad for exemple the swords that the Marines wear in their uniform are made there
Awesome follow-up video! I start to like your chicken even though I haven't met them. Those are some clean back-edge cuts and combos around the buckler. Leaving a bottle on the stand with a rising back-edge cut is always challenging! I always find myself opening up too much while cutting around a buckler, as I smashed my fingers into the rim of a buckler before during cutting and it was unpleasant to say the least, so subconsciously I always keep my sword hand away from the buckler and that's not a good habit in fencing.
IMHO as well I was taught A REASON was also society changes. A Dagger is utility tool. It is used for eating. You can also hide a small dagger and use it for defense. It was also the time that daggers become and more more popular in the upper crust of society. Fashionable in that time as we were getting into the middle of the Renaissance Period. A buckler is strictly a defensive, military item with 3 basic sizes 9",12" and 15". 18" was considered a small shield. I had Sword and Board Training and I specialized in Sword, Sabre, Cutlass + all 3 sizes of Bucklers. Don't let the small size of the buckler fool you. It can be a very good offensive weapon as well.
"More thrusty versions." You can always count on a SG video for at least one suggestive term or double entendre to amusing one's inner adolescent.
Would be great to have your input on the pointy "Talhoffer buckler" sometime too. Great video as always!
I don't think that finger ring is for protection, but more for leverage/control. The buckler is for hand protection. I'd be curious to see how the LK Chen's Ribaldo works with 1.33.
I recently discovered the channel, and I'm binge watching it. I want to suggest a topic if others are interested - what do you consider most practical blade bigger than knife, to be used by civilians in a SHTF situation (fall of civilization type)?
I was thinking maybe Gladius, Sabre or Falx.
A bowie and buckler league would be fun :)
Very nice technique there.
Just a small correction: Dall'Agocchie didn't write about sword and buckler, at all. His treatise is about sword alone, sword and dagger, sword and cape (and jousting, and battlefield formations).
Fascinating, Matt - thanks...
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Holy cow! That is one sharp sword.
George Silver's Paradoxes of Defense Although I have often heard the opinion that the sword and dagger have an advantage over the sword and buckler in close combat, due to the length and point of the dagger, and at a medium distance * they can see how to defend themselves better than with a buckler. But I have never met anyone who has the upper hand in close combat with a dagger over a sword and buckler, but have repeatedly observed the opposite. Due to the broken distance, the correct assessment becomes impossible, there is no time for assessment, the rapid movement of the brush deceives the eye. Due to the lack of proper space for the hand with a dagger (which cannot be otherwise, since one cannot immediately defend against blows and thrusts), it is impossible (due to the lack of the correct distance at the moment when the opponent has already taken up the correct position) to take defense on one a prick or a blow from a hundred. And most likely, any entry into close combat with a sword and dagger against a sword and buckler is fraught with deadly
From what I read, sword and dagger could deliberate choose to close the distance ONLY when the opponent doesn’t have a dagger because the fear of dagger fight (which is very likely to end up in double kill).
16th century book by George Silver "Paradoxes of Defense" excerpt. .- So those who believe in their style of fighting, excellent eyes, great skill, perfect defenses with a dagger, that a dagger is better than a buckler, will be deceived. And when they are wounded, they will say that the enemy was a little bit faster than them. Sometimes they say they hold their dagger a little too low. Sometimes, when they are stabbed under a dagger, they say that they held it a little higher than they should. Sometimes, when they got a wonderful response to their injection, they say that they were a little slower. And when they are greeted with a successful injection, they think that they were a little hasty.
Those who practice or think they will master dagger defense will spend their lives learning and never learn. (18)
Thanks for this vid. I want a sword and dagger combo as backup weapons if I ever roll a wood elf archer in an rpg.
amazing channel! Instantly subscribed.
If you could also explain _why_ exactly did fencing become more thrust-oriented as opposed to slash
really liked this video
I wonder when does the popularity sword and dagger combo fall. I know that some small sword system (e.g., Angelo) still has sword and dagger, but such combo doesn’t seem to be particularly popular by that time. And shame that I haven’t found any system that teaches saber and dagger (something I absolutely would like to learn).
Is that sword cutting like that out of the box or did you sharpen it?
Some tremendous moves at the end. You make those sequences look easy but the skill is readily apparent when one watches carefully.
I like side swords. More on them please. Especially with regards to the evolution of the hand protection on them. 😀
I love this sword
Great video. It is so interesting to see how these weapons and “systems” evolved over time.
Is it not also true that many main gauche daggers had a kite shaped shell guard? Sort of like a little buckler?
In the last video, I kept wondering why one would think to put a ring on one side but not the other, but it suddenly occurs to me that if a person wanted to wear this sword in civilian and military life, having the ring on only one side allows you to put your finger over the guard in gauntlets and without simply by turning the sword around.
the "up and down with the traverse" part, particularly with the music brought a fitness video to mind... maybe new genre to branch into? (;
Man I love this sword! It's really gorgeous, and it seems like a wicked cutter.
Where does the storta fall in history, in relation to this style of sword? I have the synthetic Blackfencer storta and I love it, though I haven't sparred with it yet. I like the guard a lot.
New to this subject - genuine question - would a soldier of the 16th C carry a rapier and dagger or more of an arming sword and a buckler? Or was the rapier + dagger more of a gentleman’s weapon set? Informative vid as always 👏
yes they are more so dueling and for self defense. military swords were generally heavier duty and really polearms and spears were much more common as the "main" combat weapons and swords are just a backup weapon
@@niclasnyberg4173 Thanks Niclas - appreciate the response 👍
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One of the questions that occurs is the question of why Europeans did not develop a main gauche similar to the sword breakers that the Japanese Police developed to control swords when the laws and customs changed.
Well done!!
Awesome video! 🗡️
"Sword and buckler was still the most popular in the 1530s. When we get to Agrippa's time"
Having learned about the Second Triumvirate, I thought your were going *backwards* in time for a second there.