Battlefield Sword Fighting Vs Fencing: Hutton's "How to Fight an Uncivilised Enemy"!

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  • In the age of colonialism there was a clash of technology and cultures on the battlefield. Towards the end of the 19th century authors like Captain Alfred Hutton sought to make swordsmanship more suitable for the battlefield. This mindset would result in the combatives seen in WW1 and WW2. The lesson contained in this video was originally recorded for the Dreynevent, hosted on Dreynschlag Channel: • MATT EASTON - Battlefi...
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  • @PalleRasmussen
    @PalleRasmussen ปีที่แล้ว +99

    I like how we say of Hutton's age that they dismissed everything before them, and basically gave the Middle Ages a bad rep. Meanwhile Hutton is looking at Medieval and Renaissance manuals to become better swordsmen.

  • @darthhodges
    @darthhodges ปีที่แล้ว +82

    You could say they are recognizing that you can't expect your opponent in war to fight you on your terms. Therefore you must adapt how you fight (whether individually or as a whole army) to the war you're in. Not doing this has lost many a war over the course of history.

    • @dashcammer4322
      @dashcammer4322 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      Annoyingly, the enemy also gets a say in how any battle progresses.

    • @feudist
      @feudist ปีที่แล้ว +6

      The US military recognized this after Vietnam. The Air Force instituted "Dissimilar Air Combat" training using jets that had performance envelopes closer to Migs. The Army created the incredibly elaborate National Training Center, where an entire military unit was trained to fight according to Soviet doctrine and act as a freestyle opposing force for visiting units.

  • @JustGrowingUp84
    @JustGrowingUp84 ปีที่แล้ว +35

    I love it that you guys also used full speed in demonstrations!
    Yes, use slower movements and pauses to clearly explain the technique, but also show how it might look in actual use, preferably against a resisting opponent!

  • @EuanPABrown
    @EuanPABrown ปีที่แล้ว +9

    I'm sure I read/heard somewhere that the British view of the Choora as a chopping/cutting weapon was a form of selection bias. Doctors were treating cut wounds, but not stab wounds and so assumed it was a cutting weapon. However anybody stabbed by a choora was going straight to the burial detail and not being seen or recorded by the Doctors.

  • @Pupcan
    @Pupcan 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Hello, Mr. Easton. A friend of mine directed me towards this particular video of yours, and I appreciate how you show the techniques first in slow motion several times, THEN at the chaotic full-speed several times. (Your method of HOW to educate viewers is as worthwhile as the subject matter.)
    Second, at around 08:50 minutes, you said, "In some cases, these things will just HAPPEN over the course of the fight." I agree! There are times in aikido classes where any student might be thinking, "Why are we practicing these elaborate, precise movements in class when IRL the odds of us contorting a chaotic mugger into this configuration is between slim and none when it's all coming at us too fast?"
    Some aikido techniques are more akin to: if we practice it enough times over enough years, eventually we recognize in a split-second when the assailant is in the proper position for us to use the technique. If we had scoffed at learning the technique and hadn't practiced it, the opportunities wouldn't be visible or available to us in the middle of a flurry of violence.
    Your mentioning of, "In some cases, these things will just HAPPEN over the course of the fight," strongly brought that to mind.

  • @braddbradd5671
    @braddbradd5671 ปีที่แล้ว +34

    Its good that Hutton combined other martial arts with it

  • @matthewlawrence7056
    @matthewlawrence7056 ปีที่แล้ว +56

    This was a great video, there are some rough contemporary spanish sources. A few decades before Hutton but Jaime Merelo y Casademunt's treatise on the saber addresses this topic! In his book he delivers his fundamentals of saber fencing but he goes on to have 3 interesting sections at the end of his treatise. He covers the spanish sword/foil vs saber , he covers the saber vs bayonet, and finally the saber vs short weapons mentioning the Spanish experiences in North Africa and the Philippine Archipelago. He has a series of rules he lays out and mentions how he would fence with shorter weapons so that a student would know what strategies would be employed against them. He also mentions that grappling is an essential part and that its something best learned in the salle rather than in a book.
    Similarly Maestro Roman Punzalan Zapata covers his take on the spanish sword vs machetes, lances, and knives.

    • @wildyracing1
      @wildyracing1 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Great information! Any youtube video showcasing the Spaniard's take of battlefield use of the saber? It will be much appreciated! Or Mr. Easton is welcome to create one. :)

    • @JeremyRoyaux
      @JeremyRoyaux ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Very good point. I'm currently reading the book you are talking about (the english translation by Jakelsy). The part talking about knifes is interesting. Too bad it's a bit short. I was planning a class with my students about it (i teach military saber from Roworth mainly, and a bit of Merelo atm). Some parts are a bit too incomplete : he says for exemple to use your offhand for parrying, but does not explain how. I was planning to fill the void with a few krav maga / self defense techniques because that's something i know, but i'm also trying to find other knife fighting sources at the moment. If you got any pointers, feel free to share :) I'll look up that Punzalan dude ;)

    • @matthewlawrence7056
      @matthewlawrence7056 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@JeremyRoyaux I’ve experimented with it but it comes with my background with other things and isn’t necessarily what Merelo intended which is just how interpretation works with HEMA lol we have separate baggage to Merelo. Imo I wouldn’t over think it.
      Punzalan Zapata isn’t in English (well I have a semi edited translation I’ve done) but I can share the bits on dissimilar weapons.

    • @matthewlawrence7056
      @matthewlawrence7056 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@wildyracing1 I don’t think so, I could give it a go at creating one but it might be a little bit. Would need to bug a friend or two and refresh my knowledge on his specific advice.

    • @wildyracing1
      @wildyracing1 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@matthewlawrence7056 That sounds great! Keep my fingers crossed to see it.

  • @kaoskronostyche9939
    @kaoskronostyche9939 ปีที่แล้ว +64

    Excellent. Great presentation. I love the "practical application" aspect of this. Thank you very much. Top quality demonstration and explanation. Cheers!

  • @markthomason9723
    @markthomason9723 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    I especially enjoyed discussion of use of the pommel, and the apparent tradeoff between the fastest possible instant response vs the option of a slightly slower but likely more deadly strike, either point or more devastating cut.

  • @MarcusVance
    @MarcusVance ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I gotta read more of these books

  • @williambreazeal387
    @williambreazeal387 ปีที่แล้ว +32

    I think this would be a pretty difficult situation for the swordsman without a shield. These seem more like emergency techniques where you’re hoping the enemy over commits on the cut. I don’t think they are invalid, more like you’re trying to make the best of a bad situation.

    • @scholagladiatoria
      @scholagladiatoria  ปีที่แล้ว +24

      I don't really disagree, the swordsman with a shield has an advantage (well if you ignore revolvers and pistols). But the moment you get a good grab on their sword arm, the advantage now swings to the sabreur. Once grabbed, the shield guy is in big trouble.

  • @koljya
    @koljya ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Both the footwork as well as the sickle-like motions of those defences bear a striking resemblance to Okinawa-style Karate. I am thinking of Uechi Ryu or Gojo Ryu . Great video, cheers🙂

  • @wowismygame
    @wowismygame ปีที่แล้ว +4

    The original video was very well presented. I love the demonstrations of "battlefield fencing" involving grappling and free hand manipulations!

  • @jamespuckett9753
    @jamespuckett9753 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Probably not useful in my daily life, but very enjoyable. Changes in any system after analysis are always fun to me. Since there is currently very little growth in swordmanship from use, I sometimes get the idea that what I see presented was BEST, rather than another stage in development. Thanks for this.

  • @bjorntrollgesicht1144
    @bjorntrollgesicht1144 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Hey, we did the exact same thing with Marozzo, Fiore and Leckuchner. I recognize those movements and actions. Grab, twist and strike.

  • @vostrosablin
    @vostrosablin ปีที่แล้ว +4

    many different grips in the shinkage-ryu marobashikai where the interaction of two opponents dressed in armor is considered. therefore, they do not cut with a sword, but use it to overcome the distance and various ways of knocking an opponent to the ground. At the same time, both the impact of the sword of the performer of the technique on the body of the opponent along its weak vectors and lines, as well as various kinds of levers and tacks are used. in fact, this is a technical analogue of European fencing books on the theme of a two-handed or one and a half sword, but in the form of a living tradition and not speculative reconstructions

    • @scholagladiatoria
      @scholagladiatoria  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      That's great. Do they spar and compete?

    • @vostrosablin
      @vostrosablin ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@scholagladiatoria is a traditional Japanese school of old martial arts. As a rule, sparring and competitions are not held in such schools. The documents of the school contain information that once such a practice took place. At present, in Japan, the technique is studied by the method of formal kata repetitions. Unlike the Japanese, I do randori (free fights) with my comrades.

  • @thomaswilkinson3241
    @thomaswilkinson3241 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I watched this when it premiered during Dreynevent. Thank you for bringing it up again. This is simply great.

  • @allanburt5250
    @allanburt5250 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Thanks Matt I enjoyed that one. I can imagine that being very useful to young gentleman and when reading historical accounts of battles I can see how this instruction was used .

  • @tando6266
    @tando6266 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Great video, one critique is that its very obvious the "attacker" is not putting full force into the swing. With forward momentum on a swing they should easily be pushing the blocking blade, but in all these videos the attackers blade stops basically dead as soon as it makes contact with the attackers sword. This would definitely change some of these subtly as the 'defenders' balance will be different by trying to hold back the momentum of the 'attackers' sabre.

    • @chaimafaghet7343
      @chaimafaghet7343 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      These aren't heavy swords and the opponent is likely a small brown tribal person, so probably perfectly valid.

    • @Wolf-Wolfman
      @Wolf-Wolfman ปีที่แล้ว +7

      I disagree. The 'attacker' is performing full force cuts. Properly executed parries with a sabre will stop the hardest hits. If you parry with the weak of the blade then certainly the blade can be pushed but parries using the forte are rock solid.

    • @derigel7662
      @derigel7662 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@chaimafaghet7343 valid.....till they still lost their empire to "small brown tribal people" lol

    • @chaimafaghet7343
      @chaimafaghet7343 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@derigel7662 Their empire was lost to international finance. The browns didn't do shit.

    • @derigel7662
      @derigel7662 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@chaimafaghet7343 wow thats racist as shit ty imma report that

  • @Eagle-eye-pie
    @Eagle-eye-pie ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Fascinating video. Interesting to hear about guys still developing combat styles right up until the weapons become obsolete.

  • @Cre8sumthing
    @Cre8sumthing ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Matt Easton, you're the best. Thank you for your earnest dedication.

  • @williammashtalier479
    @williammashtalier479 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    This is an incredible video! More of this Matt! If you want to break down sword systems in this way, (commentary over video examples) I would want to watch as many videos of that as you could make!

  • @ScarabaeusSacer435
    @ScarabaeusSacer435 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Very interesting as always. I am always surprised to hear the Khyber Knife was primarily a cutting weapon, but you have mentioned British army medical reports confirming this in one of your earlier videos. The ones I have handled have a rigid spine and would make powerful thrusting weapons; I wonder if those records have survivorship bias-- the soldiers who were stabbed instead of slashed didn't make it to the doctor?

    • @uncletiggermclaren7592
      @uncletiggermclaren7592 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Yeah, pretty obviously the Tribesmen didn't decline the opportunity "Well, I COULD have stabbed him in the armpit before he had fully turn to me, but
      this is a slashing weapon
      it says so in ALL of the literature after all, there were Foreigners watching, wouldn't want them to think I was a noob".

    • @vroomkaboom108
      @vroomkaboom108 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      That's exactly what i thought since triangular make unstichable wounds, imagine a spined knife of that size! Only way you could possibly survive an encounter with it is by being slashed!

    • @RiverofGrassFencing
      @RiverofGrassFencing ปีที่แล้ว

      Late reply of course but some were used for thrusting, but that is a quality difference of the weapon in question, a lot of the cheaper knives would be “soft”

  • @deamoncastle5584
    @deamoncastle5584 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This improves my faith and love for HEMA.
    Thank you for covering this, Mr. Easton. I anticipate more coverage of this topic with electric enthusiasm.

  • @mtgAzim
    @mtgAzim ปีที่แล้ว +5

    That was all really interesting, thank you for making that available to us! ^_^

  • @flamandbenoit7247
    @flamandbenoit7247 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    incredible, thanks for the opportunity to copy and work around

  • @yantoshscollon9394
    @yantoshscollon9394 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    thanks Matt, been hunting for this for weeks

  • @allengordon6929
    @allengordon6929 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    I disagree that all european martial arts held the bucklers at arm's length exclusively. Marrozzo himself says it's ideal but not strictly neccessary. Also most brassards (anti-grappling tournament armor that locks the arm in place) have the arms at a half-bend. In addition, KDF and non i.33 sword and buckler has the buckler as close as the indian fencer in the dreyschlang video as a resting guard, only going further as a reactive response (bucklers are a reactive defense after all).

    • @tiltskillet7085
      @tiltskillet7085 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Easton didn't use the words "all European Martial Arts" or "exclusively" and IMO they weren't implied.

    • @ivanharlokin
      @ivanharlokin ปีที่แล้ว +1

      You are disagreeing with a strawman argument, that Matt didn't make. Congrats to you and the dittoheads that upvoted your comment.

    • @scholagladiatoria
      @scholagladiatoria  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I didn't say they did 😊

  • @user-bo7yp8lc6j
    @user-bo7yp8lc6j ปีที่แล้ว

    Matt Easton, you're the best. Thank you for your earnest dedication.. Its good that Hutton combined other martial arts with it.

  • @mgreen1003
    @mgreen1003 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Dude this was awesome!

  • @fmsyntheses
    @fmsyntheses ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Fascinating and important work.

  • @bluesdad54
    @bluesdad54 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    What an excellent video. Thank you so much, Matt. It is fascinating to see how swords were really used in relatable battle. I'm sorry, I love the medieval content you do, but this more modern look was just great.

    • @fmsyntheses
      @fmsyntheses ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Modern swordsmanship is more interesting than ancient or medieval swordsmanship, at least in a military context. They were generally far more martial contests, and far more bloody and lethal, since armor and shields were seldom used in the modern era. Swords before the modern era are mostly just tools to accomplish some kind of specialized purpose.

  • @ramibairi5562
    @ramibairi5562 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Matt you're a legend ❤

  • @ChonkedaDevil
    @ChonkedaDevil ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Fantastic video! Great analysis; thank you.

  • @imeditatetorelax1584
    @imeditatetorelax1584 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Awesome video; very interesting. It would be awesome if you expanded and showed modern-day options for these types of attacks.

  • @alexandremenard3833
    @alexandremenard3833 ปีที่แล้ว

    That was a really interesting video! Thanks Matt! Lots of what I see here is similar to the way we do fencing in Quebec's Scrimicie

  • @ryanmckenzie5918
    @ryanmckenzie5918 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Amazing stuff! I was always amazed at Hutton's research into older swordplay. Is it too much to call him the "Father of HEMA"? Love the practical demonstrations.

  • @tedblackburn8679
    @tedblackburn8679 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Great video. Very informative. ⚔

  • @user-ie1ij9nr7e
    @user-ie1ij9nr7e 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    These videos are awesome! It's cool to know more about swordsmanship. I don't want to just go to my nearby hema class and only learn about long sword.

  • @Sk0lzky
    @Sk0lzky ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Onlineschlag event was amazing, hope I wish wish they continued the project even though lockdowns are over

  • @ulflidsman3064
    @ulflidsman3064 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    What I find interesting is that the ability to use the hand seems more advantageous than to have a buckler.

  • @RiverofGrassFencing
    @RiverofGrassFencing ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Lovely presentation, we are working with a local Scottish broadsword school due to similar interests. Your mate was cutting a bit more in the European fashion which I suppose is fine for the demonstration. But it would be cool to see it done more from the shoulder while spilling forwards. It might actually make the advice a bit more advantageous actually

  • @johng1097
    @johng1097 ปีที่แล้ว

    GREAT video - more like please ! I look forward to part 2 where you talk about the better alternatives you alluded to.

  • @user-vd7pn8le7t
    @user-vd7pn8le7t ปีที่แล้ว +2

    As someone who practice sabers, that use hammer grip and blows with power of whole arm I can say that paring powerful strikes with lite saber and a this gentle grip is much difficult than it looks

  • @richard6133
    @richard6133 ปีที่แล้ว

    It kind of reminded me of some of the ideas that I saw in a demonstration of the Shawnee (Native American tribe) martial arts. Seizing with the off hand, grapples, using the tomahawk to first hook and then coming back around to strike with it.

  • @MajiSylvamain
    @MajiSylvamain ปีที่แล้ว

    You have no idea, how helpful this video is with some fight sceans I've been struggling to write... ❤ You channel 😺🐈👍.

  • @tombearclaw
    @tombearclaw ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Indiana Jones knows how to end a swordsman quickly

    • @scholagladiatoria
      @scholagladiatoria  ปีที่แล้ว +7

      In fact this of course was the main recourse of British officers, with 5 and 6 shot revolvers... but in war those 5 or 6 shots would be gone fairly quickly and with multiple enemies the sword does not run out of ammo.

  • @ScarabaeusSacer435
    @ScarabaeusSacer435 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Matt, with your extensive reading, experimentation, and experience the HEMA world would greatly benefit from you authoring some kind of fighting manual in modern language-- not so much a history lesson as a practical textbook. A separate volume describing and summarizing historical sources techniques would also be extremely interesting.
    Edit: while I’m planning out your time for you, please make something that doesn’t look like crap on a kindle.

    • @scholagladiatoria
      @scholagladiatoria  ปีที่แล้ว +5

      I don't really feel qualified to. I feel like the older I get, the more I find I don't know.

    • @ScarabaeusSacer435
      @ScarabaeusSacer435 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@scholagladiatoria Well, this is perhaps a case of knowing too much: how does one select the very best approach out of all the old treatises, and what about the source materials you haven't read and will likely never read? Analysis paralysis. What if you lowered the bar a bit though: from Fiore to Hollywood? Instead of a Magnum Opus, what would you write if you only had 30 pages to keep someone alive... or only 10 pages... or only 3 pages? Finally, let out a sigh of relief when you realize that you're not actually responsible for keeping anyone alive, because no one these days walks around wearing a sword expecting to settle a dispute with another so armed. Rather, your primary audience is likely people who own some wall hangers and maybe cut a few water bottles on occasion, but otherwise draw a complete blank when they hold a sword and would like to have some idea of how to go about thinking about how to use it. Either the book is intriguing enough to get them to join a HEMA school, or it's a fascinating glimpse; both outcomes are a success. Mull it over, anyways.

    • @metwelve12
      @metwelve12 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@scholagladiatoria, age is corrosive. You have a wonderful store of knowledge and experience and it would be a shame if a lifetimes work is lost after you pass on. Better to get it down on paper now than to wait until your declining years. Besides, all the greats wrote books. Without them there would be no HEMA. Join the Great Conversation and help progress the art.

    • @malkomalkavian
      @malkomalkavian ปีที่แล้ว

      You know more than I do :)

  • @theeddorian
    @theeddorian ปีที่แล้ว +1

    There is, or used to be, a YT clip of an Indian martial artist using a sword (tulwar) and a spiked buckler. The buckler was employed as a stabbing weapon, punching the opponent with the spike, while the swords were bound.

    • @scholagladiatoria
      @scholagladiatoria  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yes that would certainly make the buckler more dangerous, though once the sword arm is grabbed, the free sword is still going to be cutting and stabbing a lot, and is more agile than a buckler.

    • @theeddorian
      @theeddorian ปีที่แล้ว

      ​@@scholagladiatoria I can't find the clip, which is frustrating. I recall what struck me - no pun intended - was that the sword was employed as a very dangerous distraction that had to be honored, while the buckler was revealed to be the threat that finished the match.

  • @-RONNIE
    @-RONNIE ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thank you for the video it was very informative and entertaining ⚔️

  • @Dannil1
    @Dannil1 ปีที่แล้ว

    I feel so grateful for your content great stuff, I will try to incorporate these techniques with my combatives, thank you.

  • @johnkeyes9482
    @johnkeyes9482 ปีที่แล้ว +105

    A weapon from a more civilized age

    • @andresmorera6426
      @andresmorera6426 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      Depends on who you ask and what is meant by "civilized". ;)

    • @grantcox4764
      @grantcox4764 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      ​@@andresmorera6426whoosh...

    • @andresmorera6426
      @andresmorera6426 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@grantcox4764 did I miss an obvious reference? 😬

    • @grantcox4764
      @grantcox4764 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      @@andresmorera6426 a very obvious reference, sorry.

    • @alexanderoddy4916
      @alexanderoddy4916 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      I still prefer a blaster

  • @ws1435
    @ws1435 ปีที่แล้ว

    Intriguing. I'm Fascinated by sword work. Liked it!

  • @cmikles1
    @cmikles1 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    And remember to always restomp that groin.

  • @edi9892
    @edi9892 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I'd love to see the reaction video of a HEMA guy specialised in renaissance techniques.

  • @toulminbrown9166
    @toulminbrown9166 ปีที่แล้ว

    The wars between the Danish vs North English were the earliest example of the behind the knee or leg attacking technique as far as I have heard of. The protection armour, interlocking chain armour, was vulnerable to the early Danes. The mercilessly aggressive Danish were trouble. This period was within the 13th, 14th century.

  • @allengordon6929
    @allengordon6929 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Behold, the origin of all modern military martial arts!

  • @archaicanarch5567
    @archaicanarch5567 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I googled "battlefield sabre techniques" yesterday and was met with a dearth of practical info. A lotta "light saber" nonsense. Yeah. Anyway, saw a Scholagladiatoria notification this afternoon and, lo! Ask and yea shall receive. Thanks, Matt!

  • @j.f.fisher5318
    @j.f.fisher5318 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    It's "top gun" training (dissimilar combat training) for swords.

  • @David-ns4ym
    @David-ns4ym 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Rob Roy movie shows I think well what a dandy can do. It’s one of the best sword fighting scenes in all movies.
    Lots of contemporaries might look at him and laugh. But he was a rock star of the day and lethal. They practiced daily for hours and they fought dirty.
    Grappling an equal is one thing. But someone like a master would not allow you to close without obliging you with serious injury or death.
    Also if it’s life or death the stakes and mistakes are many. To remain calm in those situations is where the training comes in.

  • @hadfordperformancetraining3411
    @hadfordperformancetraining3411 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you for this video, we are working on alot of these movments currently with my group, grapples are a very fun technique and should be used more often I think in sparring and tournaments.

  • @dmills5755
    @dmills5755 ปีที่แล้ว

    Reminds me of the movie Rob Roy, the dueling scene at the end, saber versus rapier.

  • @TheHorzabora
    @TheHorzabora ปีที่แล้ว

    This is a very well written and presented video, at least from my perspective. I like to consider myself a quick learner, but I have very limited experience with HEMA, most of it in longsword and basic European sabre and I found the information contained within easy to understand and - if I wished - implement to start learning these techniques.
    Which, as an aside, strike me as eminently practical, particularly given the role of an officer in combat of the period and the likely opponents. Someone else commented that these seemed like desperation moves, as a buckler armed opponent has a considerable advantage, and I would somewhat agree - but the shield / blade armed swordsman has to reach engagement range through firearm fire, making these situations either applicable in surprise engagements, or in the closing elements of more conventional engagements - at least, I would assume that, without knowledge of the Afghan war of the day - and those situations are by their nature desperate and bloody.

  • @stephengarrett8076
    @stephengarrett8076 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Outstanding!!!!!

  • @roberth721
    @roberth721 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    More techniques to add to my toolkit, yippee!

  • @kveitehitmaker6316
    @kveitehitmaker6316 ปีที่แล้ว

    Again, tshirts of greatness! Do you have any bad ones? No!

  • @rogerwilliams2629
    @rogerwilliams2629 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I started Judo in 1967 and taught it for a couple of decades, I see all kinds of foot sweeps available., I wonder if anyone in HEMA utilize this art?

    • @3st3st77
      @3st3st77 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I personally don't know anything about Judo, but people who do can definitely use that to their advantage. Usually people will be hesitant to do that sort of thing since it could lead to injuries, but I got to know someone with Judo training who very much enjoyed closing in to grapple. I'm not sure how much of what she did was strictly related to Judo, but she did occasionally inform me that I should put my weight somewhere else.

  • @ac8760
    @ac8760 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Some of these demonstrations remind me of traditional performance martial arts, where an answer to a single strikes involves multiple actions, while the training dummy holds the pose from that initial strike.

    • @Wolf-Wolfman
      @Wolf-Wolfman ปีที่แล้ว

      The video was made to demonstrate techniques. How else can you show the techniques without isolating a particular part? You learn the technique, you practice it and then you start to try and integrate it into your sparring which can take many many hours of work. Neither of these fencers do any kind of 'performance' martial arts. They are constantly hard sparring. Doubters can always attend an open sparring session and test their skills.

  • @MarcRitzMD
    @MarcRitzMD ปีที่แล้ว

    That head is nicely shaved and polished. Customers will know you maintain your blades well

  • @petar.dj98
    @petar.dj98 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Does the person with the buckler have an advantage if they are equally skilled?

    • @scholagladiatoria
      @scholagladiatoria  ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Basically yes, which is why if you're armed with a sword and revolver, once the revolver is empty and you still have opponents, you have to train specific techniques to try and even the balance.

  • @MadMonarchDryst
    @MadMonarchDryst หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great video

  • @haynesdevon0
    @haynesdevon0 ปีที่แล้ว

    Like how when they're going full contact the shield user doesn't just let himself be manipulated. You can see he struggles when his arm is grabbed and uses the shield to evercome and block the counter several times. Vary good techniques.

  • @tsafa
    @tsafa ปีที่แล้ว

    Nice Wrap at 7:24 followed by a draw. Amazing how practical it is even with a saber.
    It will also work to the back of leg to hamstring somebody.
    People who have never executed any of these cuts are going to come along and say it's not a wrap. Unless you regularly use back edge cuts you don't know what a wrap is and how flexible and versatile it is. 7:24
    " inspired by earlier sources" 🙂

  • @oliverlorenz8733
    @oliverlorenz8733 ปีที่แล้ว

    This is very interresting.
    I looked for one of the books and found one on eBay.👍
    Regards from Limburg, Germany.

  • @noahwick3217
    @noahwick3217 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    its really bizarre that the fencing instruction assumes that the entire time your opponent is attacking you, theyre not following up, not resisting your grapple, and not really utilizing their shield.
    the guards also seem quite odd in regards to leverage and measure

    • @MrBottlecapBill
      @MrBottlecapBill ปีที่แล้ว +2

      That was the first thing that struck me as well. That being said, if you at least know the techniques, you'll quickly be able to learn what actually works and what doesn't with a bit of actual sparring. I believe even Musashi mentioned something about learning all the basics of every style and not bothering with the advanced stuff.......that was all commercial BS lol.

    • @corvus15
      @corvus15 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I mean it's a book, not an actual instructor. Resistance tends to be left to the world of practice rather than put down on paper

    • @j.f.fisher5318
      @j.f.fisher5318 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      In real life its harder to respond fluidly to an unexpected situation than people usually assume. You see this a lot with for example how strikers who don't do MMA say they'd respond to getting tackled vs how they still end up on their back when someone tackles them unless they trained specifically to defend against tackles.

  • @jameslecka8085
    @jameslecka8085 ปีที่แล้ว

    The tank general, General Patton, had a looong career. He started as a cavalry officer. Designed the last official for combat use sword. Held the unique title "Master of the Sword". Bronze in the Olympics. I heard a rumor of a short manual for cavalry by him from this time before WWI but can't research this point. I have seen a return showing 40,000 of this pattern sword in the far east in 1940: 18,000 cut down and issued as machetes in the Philippines.

    • @S.A.M.S.2017
      @S.A.M.S.2017 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Patton wrote an official manual in 1914 and also published his "Diary of an instructor in Swordsmanship"

    • @jameslecka8085
      @jameslecka8085 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank You!@@S.A.M.S.2017

  • @DanTrueHistory
    @DanTrueHistory ปีที่แล้ว

    A lot of this looks a lot like medieval langesmesser. I love it :)

  • @carrdoug99
    @carrdoug99 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    A major flaw in the instruction is that when you step in to grab your opponent's sword arm, they will almost certainly continue to step to the left, and at the same deliver a hard punch to the face with their buckler.

  • @realtachyon
    @realtachyon 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Excellent info. Not sure if you have already covered “khukri” but would love to learn more about its origins. ❤

  • @Wolf-Wolfman
    @Wolf-Wolfman ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Fantastic!

  • @battlereed4708
    @battlereed4708 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The offhand weapon passes remind me of what I have been taught in FMA work. Very good video

  • @collinnicolazzo2065
    @collinnicolazzo2065 ปีที่แล้ว

    I just googled that works of Alfred Hutton I never knew he made that many books

  • @nilsd2112
    @nilsd2112 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    All the arm trapping in the first moveset is really similar to basic chinese dao moves

    • @scholagladiatoria
      @scholagladiatoria  ปีที่แล้ว

      Yes, a lot of these techniques are found all over the world across several centuries.

  • @DanOldSkoolConditioningMan
    @DanOldSkoolConditioningMan ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks for another great video, this was the video I was looking for when I found the video where you talk about pistol. This is exactly what I was after and answers very well some thought and questions I was having in my own mind. I was interested you mention a French system that includes the use of the scabbard, as this was also a train of thought I was having in my mind, could you name the source so I can find it. Interesting what you said about small sword and 133. I will get hold of these. As I am realy more interested in the use of Saber on the battlefield, as like you said combative. Going to try this out with a friend. Thanks again for the Great insight. Dan.

  • @HebigamiShinobi
    @HebigamiShinobi ปีที่แล้ว

    Not to disparage this at all - these are effective techniques - but this kind of parry followed by open hand grappling and then counterattacking are techniques I was taught in the first year of studying Eskrima. Because Eskrima swordsmanship involves mainly short swords and knives (there is some saber), grappling the enemy's limbs is very common, very fast, and usually results in a quick exchanges of grapples, counter-grapples, close range strikes or other similar maneuvers (including a lot of open hand blade deflection against the flat of the blade, or outright grasping - usually the false edge). Considering that Eskrima was influenced by Spanish swordsmanship, it's not surprising. but nice to see the same ideas appearing/being discovered elsewhere. Eskrima continues to develop to this day alongside modern weapons (in other words, firearms) and if you know the roots and can follow along the development paths of its various schools, you can find a lot of history in there.

  • @alanbryant8245
    @alanbryant8245 28 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Very interesting ……probably not part of RMA Sandhurst instruction but should of been.⚓️

  • @edwardbirdsall6580
    @edwardbirdsall6580 ปีที่แล้ว

    I really enjoyed this video.

  • @lukeman9851
    @lukeman9851 ปีที่แล้ว

    I wish we had period records from non-European swordsmen. I'd love to see similar tips from Afghan, Indian, Japanese, Filipino, etc fighters on how to deal with European sabreurs.

    • @scholagladiatoria
      @scholagladiatoria  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      So do I! They may actually exist, especially in China and Japan. New sources are coming to light all the time. I know there are treatises in India which nobody has really managed to get full access to yet.

  • @jeremiahr7585
    @jeremiahr7585 ปีที่แล้ว

    I brought a Sabre when I deployed to a combat zone. Semper Fidelis!

  • @agogecoach8790
    @agogecoach8790 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Interesting material. Matt you mentioned that you think there are better sources to draw from than Silver for this- it would be interesting to see you expound.

    • @scholagladiatoria
      @scholagladiatoria  ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Yes that could be an interesting topic to cover. I don't think Silver's grips and closes are bad, but these sorts of techniques are given more attention and shown with pictures in other sources which Hutton simply didn't have access to. For example Lecküchner or lots of rapier sources.

    • @jf5078
      @jf5078 ปีที่แล้ว

      Don't the Bolognese sources contain grips? I think Hutton had access to Bologness sources or at least Marozzos work.
      Also don't the Stage Gladiator sources also touch on grips a little?
      Lekuchner is a cool source but it's bloated with some pretty impractical stuff. Silver even though lacking pics is much more straightforward and practical imo.

  • @danielmcelroy8533
    @danielmcelroy8533 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Fantastic presentation. Did they include any moves or drills with a pistol still being drawn as well?

    • @scholagladiatoria
      @scholagladiatoria  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Not in this manual, but it is touched on in a few others.

  • @szancso79
    @szancso79 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    We do unarmoured sparring on a weekly bases with blunt olimpic fencing sabres usually towards to the end of our regural HEMA session. I would say one needs huge balls to attempt a wrist grab / grip in a situation where sharps and no armour involved. Great video though.

  • @facilegoose9347
    @facilegoose9347 ปีที่แล้ว

    11:12 _cut to the outside leg_ -- riposte shown delivers it 'orthodox' stepping to the outside (less power); to follow through on the initial intent to grapple at 11:10 the defender would need to commit to _stepping inside_ into 'southpaw' simultaneous to the offender's strike to deny the wrist rotation upwards seen at 11:12 , the leading thigh of the defender at 11:27 follows the parry in and acts as the pivot for the hips swinging the trailing left leg to bring the grapple into play. Per 11:33 the offender is blind to whatever you follow up with your left hand (a hook to the liver is tempting) and should be bound sufficiently to transition to a thrust to the thorax or their inner leading thigh. Bowling them over entirely while off balance in the 2-4 oclock area while delivering the thrust may be preferable to dealing with their shield upright should they recover. These are demonstrations of course, but many of these presuppose a passive buckler or a shield too large to be dexterous on the counter and not checking to the head for a double strike exchange.

  • @Baron-Ortega
    @Baron-Ortega ปีที่แล้ว +1

    One observation I had as a layman is the European swordsman would have to be wary of being bashed and stunned by the other swordsman with his buckler or shield?

    • @scholagladiatoria
      @scholagladiatoria  ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Yes, but that's why the grabs are so effective - the grab enables you to use your sword freely on the enemy. So they could bash you with the buckler, but they are going to end up dead from being stabbed at the same time.

  • @sirbobulous
    @sirbobulous ปีที่แล้ว +1

    How much do you find people successfully grab someone's sword arm when they spar? Not performing a drill but in spontaneous sparring practice?

  • @nobodyisbest
    @nobodyisbest ปีที่แล้ว

    Interesting. Most of the presented techniques make a lot of sense in close ranks fighting.

  • @bitesyerlegs
    @bitesyerlegs ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks

  • @Sir-Cyr_Rill-Nil-Mill
    @Sir-Cyr_Rill-Nil-Mill ปีที่แล้ว +1

    _The Dread Crochet_
    please write this book.

  • @elijahoconnell
    @elijahoconnell ปีที่แล้ว

    i quite like to have a bind established with their sword on the right side of mine (held in my right hand, theres in their right hand), letting my sword then rotate along their on that connection point. my sword is now in prim with the point down and their sword is on the left of mine. i grab their wrist, slide the guard to their fort, and then push against the fort. the group should come out of their hand from the pinky first. if it doesn’t work, you can still stab them or whatever.

  • @gerardhart9052
    @gerardhart9052 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Not a fan of the techniques demonstrated. Firstly everything will work against an opponent who makes an initial strike then stands still and waits for his opponent to do his stuff. Secondly wasnt the buckler used together with the sword, this would stop hand grabs and deflect most parrying moves. Lastly if I were attacking with a bucler and sword my opening would prefebly be a low upwards cut from left to right leading with the buckler and not the sword, but holding them together in front of me basically buckler to face and sword to left torso. I did not see that attack demonstrated.