dipping into single arming sword and its becoming my favorite weapon. Can you do a video on using single arming sword vs longsword and/or single arming sword vs sword & buckler?
Arming sword is my primary weapon focus and I'm fortunate enough to get weekly sparring matches with it. I draw from a variety of sources including: Roworth, Fiore, Meyer and 1.33. As a left-handed fencer, I find my favorite (most successful) guards are: Default - Alternating between boars tooth and a guard similar to the one you're describing but it's tucked in closer to the hip and resembles Roworth's middle guard, Fiore's short guard, or Meyer's plow. Secondary: The crescent guard from Roworth, similar to ox from Meyer or De Fenestra from Fiore. I find this guard to be one of my favorites because it leads to excellent thrusts involving a shoulder roll to plow. If you look more to Roworth for your arming sword, I think you'll enjoy it. It's best for the broadsword, but a broadsword is just an armingsword with a basket replacing the cruciform hilt, so it's the closest written resource for this weapon type I think. Great video and very close to my own feelings of that middle-guard as a proper default.
Roworth for arming sword? Seems like an amazing way to lose your hand. All of Roworth’s guard positions and parries presume you have relatively complex hand protection, or at the VERY LEAST a saber knuckle bow. Without that you’re going to get your fingers smacked a lot.
Very helpful discussion. I think many of us probably struggle with adopting “generalized swordsmanship “ clumping together diverse traditions, versus realistic weapon specific tactics Thanks.
I am so glad you mentioned the leverage you get from putting your pointer finger above the cross guard! (at 6:30 and around 8:15) I discovered that on my own, but hadn't found anyone else talking about it. And great technique video as always. Makes me want to get back into Arming Sword!
Fascinating! I wonder if it was the need or desire to use greater leverage in these false edge beats … as well as greater point control… that prompted Italians to add the finger rings onto arming swords? What do you think?
Some arming swords have finger rings. Some side swords have knuckle bows. Some dusacks have thumb rings etc. all swords are compromises and do not all equally do everything perfectly. So while interesting I find this misleading and makes a broad assumption. Please reconsider
I am simply calling Sidesword in a way and arming sword in another because, if I start to consider all the possible variations, I could not make a point about anything. Instead, this is true for the great majority of the cases, with some exceptions, as for everything. I don’t know why I should “reconsider” lol. Plus, I don’t consider other weapons such as the dussack or whatever, I’m talking about swords with and without rings, nothing else.
@@FedericoMalagutti lol yes of course we can make whatever broad generation to make a point even if it does not hold up under evaluation. Does everyone have the same arming sword and side sword as you? I mean I do not. Did I blink and miss the side sword? Plus you know those are examples to point out the great variety even in what we generally may call a category of swords and how different they can behave. Oakeshott categories a lot of different swords under what we call arming swords. As for point you had an interesting start about the guard and its versatility before the digression about arming sword vs side sword.
@@edwardsleight8675 I find my point correct anyway. The finger over the cross changes the leverage and some movements get easier and other harder. It’s question of leverage. Then if you have a 400 grams Sidesword, arming or whatever you can basically do everything you want because you move lesser weight. And if you have a Sidesword such as the Meyer one, not meant to finger the cross, it will move in a way which feels more the arming sword archetype I described, because of, again, how the human hand applies leverage on the sword.
@@FedericoMalagutti I been avoiding the difference in fencers and discussions of how we move as that has so many variables and people are so different even with the ‘same hand mechanics’. I did not question that general statement even though it as we both have said now will change based on the sword. Sword grips are another discussion as we can hold them and change our grip in different ways. - I consider this a bit of an off topic though. I recall you did a video in the past and recently saw an interesting discussion by Ton Puey on said topic. One question though 400 grams? That’s less than a pound. Do you mean that or something closer to 1000 to 1360 grams? ~3lbs. Thanks for your time and good fortune.
@@edwardsleight8675 I meant that with swords that have irrelevant mechanical characteristics it doesn’t matter how you handle them, because in whatever way you do it you can do everything in every way because of its irrelevant weight compared to body weight. As an extreme example.
some (more) sparring with arming sword and commentary would be lovely
dipping into single arming sword and its becoming my favorite weapon. Can you do a video on using single arming sword vs longsword and/or single arming sword vs sword & buckler?
Arming sword is always a treat! Thank you!
We need a chainsword tutorial
LoL
Arming sword is my primary weapon focus and I'm fortunate enough to get weekly sparring matches with it. I draw from a variety of sources including: Roworth, Fiore, Meyer and 1.33.
As a left-handed fencer, I find my favorite (most successful) guards are:
Default - Alternating between boars tooth and a guard similar to the one you're describing but it's tucked in closer to the hip and resembles Roworth's middle guard, Fiore's short guard, or Meyer's plow.
Secondary: The crescent guard from Roworth, similar to ox from Meyer or De Fenestra from Fiore. I find this guard to be one of my favorites because it leads to excellent thrusts involving a shoulder roll to plow.
If you look more to Roworth for your arming sword, I think you'll enjoy it. It's best for the broadsword, but a broadsword is just an armingsword with a basket replacing the cruciform hilt, so it's the closest written resource for this weapon type I think.
Great video and very close to my own feelings of that middle-guard as a proper default.
Thanks!
Middle guard is dangerous because it doesn’t really cover anything. I would recommend Roworth’s outside guard or Tierce instead.
Roworth for arming sword? Seems like an amazing way to lose your hand. All of Roworth’s guard positions and parries presume you have relatively complex hand protection, or at the VERY LEAST a saber knuckle bow. Without that you’re going to get your fingers smacked a lot.
@@frankheninja1 I've not been particularly plagued by knuckle or hand hits, though they do happen once in a while.
@@jaytomioka3137 I just use it as a starting point and move to inside or outside as needed.
Very helpful discussion. I think many of us probably struggle with adopting “generalized swordsmanship “ clumping together diverse traditions, versus realistic weapon specific tactics Thanks.
A video on arming sword with rotella would be a great addition to your arming sword series.
Love the content you put out, and the in-depth break down of technique and the thought behind them.
I am so glad you mentioned the leverage you get from putting your pointer finger above the cross guard! (at 6:30 and around 8:15) I discovered that on my own, but hadn't found anyone else talking about it. And great technique video as always. Makes me want to get back into Arming Sword!
Thanks!
That's a thing in Sidesword and some Rapier sources right? It naturally produces a pistol grip.
@@percivalconcord9209 Dope - guess I need to get back into those again!
Excellent video, as always.
Thanks
Fascinating! I wonder if it was the need or desire to use greater leverage in these false edge beats … as well as greater point control… that prompted Italians to add the finger rings onto arming swords? What do you think?
Yes, there’s no other motivation that these
Good insights - thanks for sharing !
You are welcome!
Great stuff, as always.
Thanks!
Good stuff! I use something like this with messer as well, though that's probably my Bolognese training coming in.
It makes sense with most of the one handed weapons without extensive weight protection, such as the saber for example
Some arming swords have finger rings. Some side swords have knuckle bows. Some dusacks have thumb rings etc. all swords are compromises and do not all equally do everything perfectly. So while interesting I find this misleading and makes a broad assumption. Please reconsider
I am simply calling Sidesword in a way and arming sword in another because, if I start to consider all the possible variations, I could not make a point about anything. Instead, this is true for the great majority of the cases, with some exceptions, as for everything. I don’t know why I should “reconsider” lol.
Plus, I don’t consider other weapons such as the dussack or whatever, I’m talking about swords with and without rings, nothing else.
@@FedericoMalagutti lol yes of course we can make whatever broad generation to make a point even if it does not hold up under evaluation. Does everyone have the same arming sword and side sword as you? I mean I do not. Did I blink and miss the side sword?
Plus you know those are examples to point out the great variety even in what we generally may call a category of swords and how different they can behave. Oakeshott categories a lot of different swords under what we call arming swords.
As for point you had an interesting start about the guard and its versatility before the digression about arming sword vs side sword.
@@edwardsleight8675 I find my point correct anyway. The finger over the cross changes the leverage and some movements get easier and other harder. It’s question of leverage. Then if you have a 400 grams Sidesword, arming or whatever you can basically do everything you want because you move lesser weight. And if you have a Sidesword such as the Meyer one, not meant to finger the cross, it will move in a way which feels more the arming sword archetype I described, because of, again, how the human hand applies leverage on the sword.
@@FedericoMalagutti I been avoiding the difference in fencers and discussions of how we move as that has so many variables and people are so different even with the ‘same hand mechanics’. I did not question that general statement even though it as we both have said now will change based on the sword. Sword grips are another discussion as we can hold them and change our grip in different ways. - I consider this a bit of an off topic though. I recall you did a video in the past and recently saw an interesting discussion by Ton Puey on said topic.
One question though 400 grams? That’s less than a pound. Do you mean that or something closer to 1000 to 1360 grams? ~3lbs.
Thanks for your time and good fortune.
@@edwardsleight8675 I meant that with swords that have irrelevant mechanical characteristics it doesn’t matter how you handle them, because in whatever way you do it you can do everything in every way because of its irrelevant weight compared to body weight. As an extreme example.