Joel - he has no idea. he doesn't know. [Vinesauce Vargskelethor]
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Denny’s tumblr was a mistake and I desperately miss sterile, boring corporate advertising.
Denny’s tumblr was great, it was an actual interesting way of advertising that a human came up with. Then everyone saw it worked and jumped on the bandwagon and now it’s terrible
Didn't it start with Wendy's Twitter?
@@Zanpaa nah Denny’s tumblr is ancient. Like 2010-on
@@Zanpaa Wendy's brought the concept to twitter but it started with Denny's on tumblr
dennys actually got a genuine person to do it
the rest are just acting relatable and sounding like robots
The only way a brand is ever relatable is in the sense that they desire money. That's the only genuine trait they have that they share with humans.
Humans don't desire money, they desire a lot of what money brings but most humans don't desire money... otherwise tribes wouldn't have even functioned. The sad truth is there is no relation with brands.
would be kinda funny for a while if they went "hello i like money, my dream? more money"
@@Buglin_Burger7878 humans don't desire water - they just desire what water brings (staying alive and not dying)
@@rusland9 also true
@@Buglin_Burger7878 not sure what you’re talking about. I need three sacks of Brazilian real everyday to stay regular.
"Durrives me up the wall"
"Snussy"
@@abdulkarimsanchezspectra8186 hey, fuck you
And fuck you twice for deleting your comment
@@Boooo what happened?? Lol
drawl
@@Boooo Well now I want to know what happened
This truly is out of context.
Because I have no idea what this is about.
I think this is just a "SILENCE BRAND" Moment
SILENCE BRAND
@@Raizex97 I don't watch Joel regularly anymore, so I still don't know what you mean by that.
@@kukelhupf its a meme that gets posted mostly under tweets from a brand or corporation
@@Raizex97 I'm barely 22 years old and I already feel too old for meme culture.
I sure love Conglomco, theyre so relatable and funni
Man it feels like the Waltons really get me. Like they'd show up to the cookout.
"I mean sure, they let billions of gallons of oil spill into the world's seas, but they posted a video of a dude dabbing on their Twitter profile so..."
@@joj. what? Sure Übercorp doesn’t treat its workers with even a shred of anything resembling dignity, refuses to pay them a liveable wage, staunchly opposes them unionizing, is in bed with China and thus complicit with the genocide of the Uighurs, and likely has committed several human rights violations...
...but they acted snarky and rude towards Brand, so they’re surely relatable and quirky!
What animal is your profile picture?
@@bigmanshimsham a North American River Otter
HE has no idea?
HE doesn't know?
Wow, that's SO relatable, 'cause me too. Me too.
That sounds like Jabroni Mike's chat, tbh.
This "sassy corporate Twitter" thing was only briefly good when it was brand new, because the few companies that did stuff like this (Wendy's) were taking a risk and actually being different. The reason this is so cringe is because having a sassy corporate Twitter is now actually a SAFE thing to do after it was pretty much unanimously embraced by consumers, and it seems like half the corporate Twitters out there are now doing the sassy thing.
So like, ironically, "sassy corporate Twitter account" is now the most soulless corporate thing you can do on Twitter. It's been "focus tested" so to speak.
Haha wendys told the guy that likes mcdonalds to die guys its funny and relatable
it was never fucking good
The Steak-Ummm twitter isn't a sassy brand account though.
It was always absolute cringe. Fuck corporations
Wendy’s account was an incredibly lame trend/meme on the internet for a while. Weren’t even that great of roasts imo
SILENCE BRAND
@@abdulkarimsanchezspectra8186 FUCK OFF
Have you seen what comes after this?
Well they actually made a pretty good point
No. Let him continue. Wendy's and other brands can screw off though.
I have no idea what's Joel talking about and what that image means
In the image, Neil deGrasse Tyson has made a tweet suggesting facts and truth of reality exist independent of a person’s belief in them. A twitter account that intends to represent a corporation that sells food products that resemble beef is suggesting he should log off, in what seems to be an attempt to suggest that his comment is not agreeable because the truth of reality may be upsetting to people.
Joel's irritated because it's a brand account trying to seem relatable and likeable by attempting to engage Neil here.
@@AliC202 neil is being a smug asshole here but the brand account is using that for exploitative parasocial marketing
@@Tuxfanturnip
He's not being smug, he's being right.
@@AliC202 Excuse me- famous Steakums-brain streamer Jeremy985 can vouch for it being 100% beef.
The only corporate twitter I ever trusted was Sonic's. That guy was given almost complete control and iirc was the first to try something like this.
wasnt dennys on tumblr not the first or at least one of the first to do so
@@XenobladeNerd we don't talk about dennys tumblr
Wendy’s
Watching wendy's twitter rail on mcdonalds is like watching one homeless crack addict fight another homeless crack addict
@@GregoryMom Wendys was already embarassing when the twitter was new. Especially since it was just a bit after the infamous "The memer" commercial
“Am real human. Am not faceless robot corporation. Am have real feelings too.”
Jontron - Fast Food Games (Part 1)
"It's like thanking your fucking toilet paper."
Says the man who literally called up customer service to thank them for making good headphones. (I think it was headphones?)
It was his Microphone
That doesn’t invalidate his point tho for example suppose I say racism is bad but I’m racist that doesn’t mean racism isn’t bad.
@@alithegreat9096 ...that's a very strange and specific counterpoint to make
that sounds like something joel would do, yeah
Yes. Thanking your toilet paper. As in the object. Not the organisation or people that make it
Steak-umms: Now with 67% meat up from 31% meat.
_note: meat may or may not include horse anus and pig eyelids_
@@dana-wrath hot
@@dana-wrath eh, meat is meat
It's a shame he didn't read the following parts from the steak ums guy because he dragged NDT's pompous ass so beautifully. I hate brand personalities just as much as Joel but this one interaction actually had a net good outcome
Yeah John McSteakums twitter guy's followup actually encapsulated why Neil's dumbshit popular "science" worship is ignorant and anti-scientific really well.
I remember where this idiot said something like "Spain was spending money on ships and science and italy was building churches. Guess who build an empire? " and it was the most stupid take ever.
@@MaTaMaDia they are not the same, respect steak-umms
Yeah. The take was fantastic and NDT can screw off. He may as well be a brand name himself considering how little he's actually contributed to science and how despised he is by the astronomy research community
NDT is a fucking moron anyway
Don’t incinerate your steak-umms.
That’s what they want you to do.
NDT may be the saltiest man on earth, I agree with the funny corporate relatable maymay.
The sodium chloride-iest man on Earth.
@@littleNorwegians Um dude, it's salt
@@Jx_- That's what I said, sodium chloride!
@@Jx_- Don't be a mcspanky.
The DSP of the science community, perhaps
why is the Swedish funny man upset :(
@@abdulkarimsanchezspectra8186 - do us all a favour, right, and shut the up.
I have little context for the video and absolutely no context for what Spectra Shinobi said or did. one of these I can figure out if I look it up, but the other might require an explanation from the witnesses.
@@Xephoriah Spectra Shinoby basically copy pasted some shit about how Vinny was lying and how they had proof on their twitter. something they've posted like 8 times in this comment section-
@@pikariocraftf2802 Thank you. Spectra sounds like the type to start pointless drama, and nobody wants that.
@@pikariocraftf2802 holy shit D:
I hope people don't take this the wrong way, brands should not tell neil to log off, but everyone else absolutely should.
"The good thing about science is that it's true, whether or not you believe in it" -Geocentric scientists trying to convince Galileo that the sun isn't the center of the solar system, 1613
@@cool_bug_facts 100% Wrong. The geocentric model that was accepted during Galileo's time was developed by Claudius Ptolemy, an ancient scientist who wasn't even Christian. The model was based on the best form of science available at the time, and people simply followed it without question even when Galileo introduced a more accurate model. I would bet money that pop scientists like Tyson would be making these exact same inane tweets at Galileo if they lived during his time.
@@mistergrool3941 nah you are wrong here. They genuinely didn't follow any scientific method or principle, so not science. Pseudoscience at best
I hate this because the brand twitter is right
Right about what though? Could I have some more context please?
@@tacocatxiii5626 Neil deGrasse Tyson has been known for years to be an arrogant, pedantic ass on Twitter regarding science. (This tweet actually being a good example of it, since bad science yielding false information exists, and good science doesn't always get the full picture.) This brand basically told him to shut it, and in a separate tweet explained what I just said above with more detail, as well as how Tyson is being disingenuous stating such things.
Nope.
@@TheEpicpwnr100 Do we really need a fucking steak restaurant of all things to tell us this though? To me it sounds like someone using the corporate account they work with to state an opinion they know would never fly if they stated it personally, but not realizing people are not going to take it seriously like this.
@@Mick_92 In my opinion we would be better off if someone else in the scientific community came out and said it. Maybe someone already has and I've never heard of them. If not, I presume a lot of people don't want to risk potentially burning bridges to places he has connections to by calling him out.
I agree with your statement that it's definitely one guy let loose with that account (I think that's become the norm since the Sonic twitter got popular). I don't like "relatable brands" either. In this one instance I let it slide because, as someone in STEM myself, I already really disliked how Tyson blows up how infallible science can be, but now I see what you mean with how it can make others who share that take seem less credible (who's take would you side with when discussing the science, a literal scientist or a yummy meat corporation?).
But perhaps this is the messenger our clown world deserves, rather than the serious one it needs.
Wendy's Twitter is the worst brand "trying to be cool and with the times of teenagers". When you call them out on it, they're edgy for the sake of reactions. I like the _food_ , I hate the social media holder.
Not really, they were the original one that started the "Sassy brand twitter" stuff to which everyone else tried to follow.
@@forthrightjaguar3271 That ain't the point, it's not my bag about the social media.
Neil degrasse Tyson may as well be a brand name based on how little he's actually contributed towards science
That shit got more gravity and meaning than a black hole.
He's the Bill Nye of scientists
@@m.w.9899 Isn't bill nye an actual scientist tho
@@spicerom6462 Yeah it's a joke
@@m.w.9899 I know but saying that aint gon save you from how stupid you sound lmao
The brand is actually right (and goes into more details in later posts) in that good science must replace bad science, and that science absolutely should not be treated as a faith as NDT is suggesting here
However, I must say Silence Brand anyways. Just say it on your personal account, bro.
And what is that "bad science" supposed to be, according to that dude who's trying to get attention on a social media to sell more steaks? "Bad science" means litteraly nothing...as well as "good science", sciences are just research and deduction methods based on the gathering, and unbiased interpretation of facts.
@@na-ky8ou True. Though, with how vague it is. One can argue "Bad science" can many things like outdated stuff like earth is hollow or flat.
It can be general misinterpretation or myths that's that keeps popping up in the general consciousness. E.g. Wolf packs are led by an Alpha, Only use 10% of your brain, Farmers need Daylight Savings, Bumblebees "defy" all known laws of aviation, Lemmings commit mass suicides, Dinosaurs had two brains, Oil is made from dinosaurs, Pterosaurs are dinosaurs, Anything prehistoric and/or dead is a dinosaur, oils can cure "X" & swallowed chewing gum take seven years to digest.
Lastly it can be harmful stuff like eugenics or climate change denial.
@@na-ky8ou "According to?" I really don't care about how he defines it, and I wouldn't bow to the authority or expertise of either of these clowns (so poisoning the well does nothing to help your case here); you could just ask how I define it. But it's funny that you think '"Bad science" means litteraly nothing' when you define science right after that. If you say "sciences are just research and deduction methods based on the gathering, and unbiased interpretation of facts," then, very obviously, bad science would simply be anything that isn't that: bad data collection and handling, biased interpretation of data.
The idea that bad science means nothing would be to place Flat Eartherism, Geocentrism, homeopathy, and many other pseudosciences at the same level of validity as, you know, anything else. But those examples really are extreme examples, aren't they? They're all obvious pseudoscience; I will show you that bad science exists, even in scientists we think we can trust.
Richard P. Feynman gave a speech in 1974 to Caltech graduates about what he called "Cargo Cult Science." He explained that in WWII, native islanders would receive cargo supply drops from airplanes. So of course, they recreated this after the war in hopes of once again receiving supplies. They made all the tools they needed out of wood, even had wooden headphones for the operators, but nothing happened. They didn't care about data or seeking the truth, they only cared about getting the cargo. It was a futile exercise in faith.
The insidious thing is that Cargo Cult Science exists in science that we think we can trust. In 1909, Millikan measured the charge of an electron through an experiment. While the methodology was fine, he made a mistake, his value for the density of air was off. He didn't do bad science, he made a mistake, a mistake that would be corrected by repetitions of the experiment. The problem is that Millikan's value was very much off, but the repetitions were getting almost the same results. They should not have had that same error unless they had somehow also used the wrong value for air density. The truth is that they were falsifying their data in minute ways to get results that didn't stray too far from the accepted answer. We eventually have arrived at a much more accurate value, but we could've arrived at that value much sooner if scientists were more honest with themselves, if scientists had the gall to stand behind their results. There is your bad science.
@@ReichardTheThird So your examples to describe what a "bad science" could be are: people using the scinetific method uncorrectly, which is not a science in itself, pseudosciences, which are pretty much the same thing, and a storie about how a group of natives thought that technology was some sort of magic...very compelling argument.
I'm just going to repeat myself: sciences are all about objectively explainig things based on facts, so by definition, they can't be good nor bad. People can use them badly, though, but it doesn't make the whole thing bad, nor does it create a whole new kind of science. If I suck at maths, I haven't created "bad maths".
Also, for someone who tries to appear smart as hard as you do, it's not very mature to insult people right at the beginning of a comment.
@@i.m.evilhomer5084 I mostly agree with you, except for once point, which is the une that started this whole discussion. What you're talking about are popular beliefs, not scientificly proved facts, ans since sciences have debunked most of them, or people just overlooked what was actually know about some if these subjects and just came up with their own things, they can't even be considered as theories, nor hypothesis. They're just wrong, period.
Also, what you just said about what the original comment may consider to be a bad science doesn't change the fact that there are non good nor bad sciences. Basically said, if it isn't proved to be working via the scientific method, then it's not a science.
He has no idea
He doesn't know
This Kong
Is named Joel
Despite the general public perception on the subject, Science itself isn’t some all-knowing hive-minded obelisk of a profession, but rather the opposite since it’s created from a myriad of differing sectors with each of those players contributing their own output to the table.
Science is far less about having the most accurate answer/ equation to a problem, and instead far more about presenting the least inaccurate one (hell; the Big Bang Theory is just that, a theory, and if someone in the future was to create a far more compelling narrative of how the universe may’ve been hypothetically created (short of them inventing a time machine to find out), then we’ll all be following that one instead).
*_SILENCE, BRAND_*
steak-umm really does have a point, especially after neil glossed over a tragic shooting by saying more people die from cancer each day or some shit
there's so much behind this image and it's sad to see not only the original post, which needs even more context behind it, taken out of context, which then further clipped out of context to leave the viewers not understanding at all
Eh, Joel can suck it up with it on this one. Steak Ums intern is right.
Reminder the steak um guy is one of David Koresh's kids.
Good and based
Wonder how he feels about the new ATF head's pictures at Waco
The good thing about science is that it's true, like how electrons are inside atoms like a plum pudding, light is a wave and not a particle, dinosaurs had scales and no feathers, an- actually I'll skip the last one because it'll cause arguments in the replies.
god joel is really the most based man on the planet
The one company that doesnt' do this is Chick-Fil-A btw.
I was hoping this would be the origin of " he has no idea. he doesn't know" Joel meme =(
Ok I really don't understand. What about steak'um.
Joel has every idea, he’s fully aware
I hate to say it but Steakumm is right. Neil Degrasse Tyson is a pop scientist and saying
"Uuuuuh, AKSHUALLY, science is freakin true and absolute and super epic whether you agree or not????"
Is a moronic thing to do. Science is not monolithic, it's a way of approaching the world to discern the truth, and it's constantly changing and evolving. The concept of science should not be commercialized so that 100 IQ Rick and Morty bug people can turn it into a personality trait and a fashion statement, thereby completely devaluing it.
Yeah but like, fucking steak ums though.
@@JacobKinsley I know man. It hurts. To be fair, this wasn't Steakumms per say, but just an underpaid social media representative voicing their opinion and using Steakumms as a platform for that. If you've seen the thread, whoever they are is obviously over-educated for their position. That guy's gotta feel like a major Squidward, so I don't blame him taking the opportunity to use big corporation to say something good and true.
that title applies to me, i've got no clue what in gods name this video is supposed to be about
Steak Umm? More like: Cons Umm
You shouldn't incinerate steaks, you should refrigerate them.
"The good thing about science is that it's true!" - Except when it's not.
If it’s proven false then it’s no longer science, it’s literally based off of facts, theories that are proven wrong are therefore unscientific
Like, in most cases Neil is an absolute arrogant dunce but this specific statement is correct, though it’s a massive “no shit” statement so I wouldn’t give him any credit for this
@@Schwoomy If it was wrong to begin with then no, it isn't correct, you essentially believed in fairies but you say it was "correct" because you had enough coincidental data to reassure yourself. Ignorance of reality is not truth that your beliefs were true, just like ignorance of the law is no excuse for breaking it.
isn't the general consensus among scientist to always be like "yes, this is true and right, _as far as we know"_
There's a difference between people coming to conclusions we now know to be incorrect and science itself being wrong. Our understanding of science is constantly being refined as we learn. It's inevitable that some ideas are going to turn out to be wrong, but that doesn't illegiitimize science itself. If anything it validates science: we used to think one thing, but now, because we have observable data that says otherwise, we know that this other thing is true. That's the scientific process.
I believe that's what Neil was trying to say.
Wasnt that the guy who said there is a tall border around the arctic?
They get a point for shitting on Neil. I can't have respect for someone who basically says all holidays are a myth, like way to be the embodiment of nothing arguments that make up most of twitter.
Exactly.
Corporations are not people.
but people do run corporations and not the other way around..
Jeol is so based
At least the Steak-umms brand freak is usually thoughtful
There is more to this tweet chain. Steak-umm goes on to say that science is a process that is ever changing. That science as a whole cannot be completely true at all times. Tyson would rather you worship it, honestly.
"Thank you corporations for being the voice of reason 😊😊😊😍😍😍"
I don’t get it
Steak-umm is less of a brand twitter and more just this lmao
I wish I could be paid to antagonize people and shitpost on Twitter all day. It's like my normal life but online, and paid.
The video is alright, but _please_ change the title, it has no relevance to the clip.
Is this what Joel is gonna get cancelled over now
Tbf tho if you don't have tp then you'd be using ur hand or sumthin else
while I agree that the meme brand social media accounts are getting tired, I sont thinks ita immediately indicative of shilling or cheap marketing, because it really depends on the company itself. There are great companies out there run by passionate people, and that includes the people running their social accounts.
Leave the funny meatball man alone Steak-ummm
why is this the title of the video
They absolutely destroyed condescending science man though.
You’re right. I’ve never seen a more devastating insult in my life than “log off bro”. Really stuck it to him. A real murder-by-words.
If you want to promote your brand using a celebrity, you got to pay them instead of hiring a 40 year old man dressed as a 13 year old to bug them for attention in the brand twitter account.
Uncle Jobel is smart
Small eyes
SILENCE
Why the fuck is a steakhouse arguing with Niel DeGrasse Tyson
Clout
Also it's not a steakhouse
Oof
why is joel so butthurt over this
The amounts of salt in the comments lmao
I’m all for “Silence Brand moments” but Steak-umm actually had a point here that they elaborated further in later comments
Finnadrip will pop next
mr brand manager is right though
I can't tell if this clip is supporting or denouncing what's being said here. This is almost as bad as not being able to tell what's satire and what isn't.
Neil is cringe, steak umm is based, joel is a europeon
He missed the rest of the tweets they're decent
oh god
I love joel but he can be such a tool sometimes.
I love corporations
you're just not gamer enough to keep up man, sorry. (genuinely, what is the issue with any of what he's saying? please enlighten me?)
@@bosselotiscanon Nothing, Joel is absolutely right, but just as Joel said some people are just dumb, they like the corporate meme diarrhea, either that or they are biased and babies because they don't like NDT, which is fine, the guy can be pretty dislikeable sometimes, but you know people are willing to have shitty takes/opinions as long as it goes against something or someone they dislike, that's the definition of being biased.
pro life? all i know is pro wrestling
neil is essentially a e-celeb ‘scientist’. the fact that he said science is truth no matter what is incredibly stupid. No scientist worth his salt would say that. Science is constantly evolving. People who say things like that come off more akin to a dogmatic preacher then a scientist. Meanwhile instead of realizing that he focuses on the fact that some guy who tweets for a corporate entity called Neil out instead.
The problem here is that he didn't use the right words for what he wanted to say and people are thinking he wanted to say something else.
I'm pretty sure that by "science" he meant stuff that's already known and proven, not science in general, he might be a celebrity and an asshole but it's plain naive and re.tarded to think that a science guy would make a generalization like that, it would be obvious if it wasn't for the fact people who don't like him are biased and can't wait to say he's mistaken every time.
Joel should actually shut up, in this case the employee was just putting his personal feelings out
I don't get it.
el no sabe :)
400
Science itself has shifted dude, and old Bill Nye episode talks about how dna and sex are related
100% agree with this dude
Not to mention Neil isn't even wrong.
That being said, We need the Silence Brand Crusade to begin once again.
No no Neil IS wrong.
To say that there is no false information and all scientific theories are fact is not true in the slightest. There are reasons why we don't believe in certain things and for Tyson to say this is highly irresponsible.
Even if he was wrong I fucking hate the relatable brand shit
@@EternallyEve Is he though? I mean, there is a reason why we use the term "pseudoscience" to describe that which parades as legitimate science, but has no basis.
@@Mick_92 I'm gonna assume you misread what I said because looking back the second half of the comment, I completely fucked up on what I was trying to say in that first little section. I've edited it now.
@@Mick_92 but Neil doesn't call it pseudoscience
I agree with him though, fuck brands they aren't your friend no matter how many """"funny"""" tweets they make
I'm genuinely amazed with the number of comments complaining about science man saying nature happens deal with it in a poorly worded way.
Mmm except that's not what NDT said nor meant. People are shitting on him bexause he's doing his usual thing of worshiping science and treating it like an infallible thing. And science most certainly isn't.
I can't imagine someone saying "worshipping science" unironically.
It's not a religion for fucks sake.
I don't use the word cringe a lot because it's overused and most things people call "cringe" are not... But bro this is cringe, there's not even logic behind that tweet it's literally like "we're gonna tweet something random to some famous random guy, lol so funny"
Edit: Woah I can't believe how many people here are justifying the shitty tweet just because they don't like NDT, shame on you, you might not like the guy that's fine (and I understand and agree with some of the reasons) but choosing a shitty lol so random memey brand over him? That's low...
They justified their tweet later on. NDT is literally wrong in that instance. Something about science being a process or whatever.
They called out NDT because he's an unscrupulous hack that has no respect for the scientific method, not because haha funi
cringe
It’s not low, it’s right. It may be some teenage intern behind a phone running a corporate quirky twitter, but I hate Reddit tier science worshippers more.
@@cato3277 What exactly would you qualify as “reddit tier science worshippers”, if you mean like people who use it to be a dick to religious people (which NDT tends to do a lot) then I agree but otherwise I’ve got no clue
These titles make no sense.
cope
With what?
Man this one tiny clip from a stream Joel did really did spark such a big ass debate down here in the comments section
Wouldn't be surprised if the comments get disabled at some point jkjk ahahahahah
I've never heard of this Steak shop before nor about Neil either (legit first time hearing about this guy) and don't really care on finding out more about both too as well as saying who is right and who is wrong (you can even argue about this replying to me as well and I still won't give a damn) but man is it nuts just how many heated debates this has caused, so hot to the point it's firing up this popcorn as well 🍿
I don't think there are any heroes in this story. One is an arrogant science-man who can't pick up on social cues for shit, dumping out a dumbass take, and the other is a "relatable" brand Twitter who got involved in discourse they really didn't need to get involved in. I think the big take-away is that using Twitter shuts off the part of your brain responsible for making good decisions
Delete all brands
Yes.
""""""""""science"""""""""
Joel kinda based