Hello! Just to clarify as I've had a few comments about this - I don't believe English culture 'stole' the green man, I think it spread naturally. It was just a light joke but some folk have taken it the wrong way :)
I am from Turkey but my ancestors are from Albania and Romania. My mother (Romanian side) tells about some spring festivities where they cover a young boy from head to toe, with large leaves (like a 'green man'?) and he used to walk around the village and people used to pour water on those leaves. When the 'greenman' shook himself, the water would sprinkle around and that would symbolise 'abundance, spring, fertility' for her people. It was a very old tradition, she says. So, there is more to the greenman than just being an 'architectural embellishment'. He was and maybe, still is, part of sympathetic magic, I think.
Thank you for sharing. I agree, what people think of as a green man now (the decorative foliate head), is all part of something bigger and more ancient.
Thanks for sharing your story, things like this make the subject so much more interesting. These stories are important in understanding our past.😊 You might consider writing any stories like this down to pass on to future generations.👍
Correct . We practice this types of pagan rituals when springs comes . In fact in Albanian , Druid means , men of forest . It’s part of the story of human migration through Europe.
Long before Spanish and European infestations there was a legend of a man and woman with birds wings who fed island people when food was scarce among the indigenous native tahano people. They still remember those who still live in the southern islands of the Carib.
The idea of the Green Man is interesting. I'm Lakota, which is one of the 570+ tribal nations recognized by the U.S. federal gov't. There are many more recognized by states and many that disappeared during colonization, not to mention hundreds of tribes in Canada, Mexico and Central America. We are a Northern Plains tribe who were hunter-gatherers historically. You would probably have to look in the southeastern and especially the U.S.southwestern tribes that extend down into what is now Mexico and other countries like Guatemala, Honduras, Nicaragua, etc where there was an extensive tradition of agriculture as well as heavily wooded areas and jungle to find comparable cultural examples with the Green Man seen in other cultures around the globe. However, most tribal cultures in what is now North America, that were primarily dependent on agriculture, were matrilineal. So their stories and folklore are more typically based on a fertile "Mother Earth" figure.
🎩 Hi great video. As an ex forester, I think of the green man as a guardian of the woods. Especially with the oak. When I worked in 200 year old oak groves it was easy to imagine him taking care of them. I suppose just like I used to do.
Another character that could relate to the green man (at least to me) is the wizard Radagast the brown from LOTR as he lives in nature and looks after animals, I would also like to see a video on Robin Hood
I first got interested in The Green Man after watching the Robin Of Sherwood TV series in the 80s and the character of Herne The Hunter. Since then it's a subject that still fascinates me, especially these days where I like to spend my spare time out hiking the Shropshire Hills and through the woodland. To me it's about a connection to nature and the old ways
In addition to thinking about British folklore, Robin Hood, etc, I always think of Pan and his pursuit of the nymphs and dryads. Because of his "ravishing" of the female nature spirits, it reminds me of the way greenery "ravishes" the earth in the spring and summer, spreading rapidly over the earth, "laying on top" of the earth, etc.
There are a few more songs of the green man. One of the most beautiful songs is from an Irish songwriter Martin Donnelly. XTC has one too. And I wrote a song some 15 years ago...Face In The Leaves.
For any youngsters out there, the band "traffic" has an excellent version of "John Barley corn". Easy enough to find on you tube and I think you find it worth your time.
14:34 That's how I see The Green Man too! 😊 For me He is the Male energy, sitting on the right, keeping daytime (or the sun) 🌞 within Him as well as of course, all the elements of the beautiful connected circle of nature & life that we all need to grow 🥰 Really glad to have found your channel! Especially as you are quite local! 😊 This is just what was required today for me, thank you! Also, I thought to myself...I must have been to Durham Cathedral dozens of times, yet I've never really LOOKED! 😆 I love how you found those by looking up! It's amazing what we see when we look up & down as well as what's around us! Will carry on watching now! Thanks again! BB
To be a heathen wild man is to experience the one true tangible reality of walking the actual earth. Living off the land. Grid? What’s that? Self sufficiency is the best way to make a sustainable future out of an adventurous present-day living of life to its fullest human extent. The bigger a past a man has doing that, the bigger his legacy will be. If things continue to cost This Much to let others automate things that we can do ourselves, we’re going to start doing these things ourselves again. It’s worth the extra work and monumental effort - as time has proven. I like the idea of going back to having a sense of community - not a freaking commune, communism or any of those perversions - but a real actual sense of community. Community centers like they have in Australia.🇦🇺 Growing your own food. Hunting and fishing for your own game. People just helping each other do what they will. Most megadeaths and mass-harm and come from governments and rich jerks who use them to be bad. But actual people just want to raise families. You get regular people to have a war they won’t do it without governments and professional criminals lying and tricking them into it. Without disgustingly rich people sneaking their evil agendas into government programs, there would be no war at all because people just want peace, love and the opportunity to raise families and/or be with friends. So a real man will marry a woman, raise children and be as self sufficient as possible. And hey man if you’re in the city there are still ways to be as self sufficient as possible - take city community gardens for example. Awesome vid, great topic and way cool entertaining useful stuff, as always! I love your channel!
This is brilliant! And I smiled and looked at the Green Man on my own living room wall as I watched this. The Green Man as a decorative motif seems to me a subliminal multicultural symbol that still speaks to humanity and ties into our ancient past. Horned Gods, often with vegetative qualities also, and the like go way, WAY back, likely to our ancient hunter-gatherer past. Your examples of similar beings in folklore and literature were excellent and our lists were quite similar, though you had a few I didn't think of. Another is Scotland's Ghillie Dhu of the Highlands, a protector of a particular forest there. As far as what this all means to me as a man, since you asked, I see these sorts of beings as a non-toxic but still powerful template for masculinity. So much of growing up male is presented as a atruggle, a battle or a war. Yet here is a figure who is confident, wise and powerful but not aggressive. So often we see Nature as female, but there is the masculine counterpart. And that speaks to me in powerful ways.
You can go back to the era of the Beaker People from Western Asia and Eastern Europe, in Britain the Beaker People arrived in 2400 BC, They work with Sun and Moon calendar, 13 months in a year, and mother Nature ruled them all, she had 4 children the 3rd child was of the forest, who the Pro-Celtic and Romans called Cernnunos, we today know him as the Greenman
@@southerneruk Cernunnos was usually depicted full length. He invariably wears red deer antlers. There are no images of Cernunnos with a foliate face (ie like a green man). The 'Green Man' stems from the 2nd/3rd century Roman 'leaf masks' and the 5th century Indian kirttimukha and makara motif - from which the 'disgorging head' green man is derived.
I learned a lot in this video. I love your rigour and erudition. I think the Ents in LOTR could also be seen as forms of the Green Man. In Canada, the only thing I saw that could be close to a Green Man, is a face carved in a green brick. The man had long hair and a beard and those eyes staring at you. It was a bit scary when I saw it as a kid. In accordance with the depth psychology of Carl Jung, I believe Green Men could be an external manifestation of certain archetypes buried deep inside our collective psyche. In this case, perhaps the Animus.
I really appreciated this investigation. As far as "stealing" from other cultures...some would say that this habit of adoption is difficult to distinguish from the perennial human tendency to incorporate cultural influences from afield. It can either be viewed as a compliment to the culture from which the influence is taken, as wrongly exploitative, or neither.
Rosslyn Chapel in Scotland c. 1446 has over 100 green men depicted in stone. They go from young all the way to death in a circle around the chapel- circle of life and death.
I love that you mentioned Ronald Hutton's take on the Green Man, as I follow him and have confidence in his knowledge-base, even when he crushes my whimsy with facts. ;-) I, too, associate Green Man with Cernunnos. So happy you shared about this beloved entity!!
. Whenever I can substantiate and affirm legend and mythology with historical fact, for me, it makes the folklore even more magical. It feels like, based on my instinct, that the concept of the "green man" goes back to the age of Cancer (the first age immediately after the end of the younger dryas.) When people started to farm (re-farm ?) the land. Are you familiar with the musical album "Songs from the wood". I think you might like it. Happy Earth Day, peace.
@@timmurphy334 I think, and I am far from an expert but whenever a farming population became several generations removed from their hunter gather roots any contact with some highly camouflaged hunter gathers in the forest would seem like wildmen or Greenmen, some may have even had antlers on their head for hunting or ceremonial purposes. This mundane phenomenon would reenforce any already held spiritual beliefs in such entities. I am just wildly guessing though.
@@drzaius844 Yes. The 'Jack-in-the-Green' originated in the late 18th century in association with the London chimney sweeps' May Day celebrations where it was part of the entertainment. In 1939 Lady Raglan, with no knowledge of the origins of the JITG and with no evidence, incorrectly associated it with the church foliate heads she had newly discovered and named 'Green Man'. The original English version of 'John Barleycorn' called 'Sir John Barleycorne' was written in 1624 and completely re-written in the 1700's as the song we now know. It has nothing to do with corn spirits or resurrection or such nonsense and definitely has no connection to the Green Man. The New Penguin Book of English Folk Songs describes it as a 'clever allegory' on the making of booze. The Scottish song mentioned in the video from the 1500's is called 'Allan-a-Maut' was written in Scots and deals with the effects of drink rather than its making.
As a boy, i lived in a house with my mother and was able to see the image of a burly bearded man sitting on a throne in the woodwork of a door in the house. This wasnt an intentionally decorated door, just a normal terrace house door, i once tried to show it to my mother but she couldnt see it, not until the day we were moving out did she notice the pattern. This terrified me because it was just staring at me every time i closed the bathroom door, no one else being able to see it freaked me out further. As the years went on I started learning about the green man and it always reminded me of the "wood king" from my childhood home.
Fantastic information! I have a few green man images hanging in my home. Have always associated him with renewal and rebirth. Just wondering, but would Bacchus be a type of green man 😊 Thanks for sharing 💚
Thank you for this lovely video! After listening to XTC on the way home from grocery shopping today, I told my son what I thought I knew about the Green Man. I look forward to sharing this video with him since I was half wrong and half right. Thank you:)
the Leaf man (as I have always called him) has been a part of my person seems like forever..yet my leaf man has always been small and hides in the tall flowers or the shrubs and base of trees. was always told that there was a guardian of the fields and the gardens that we maintain...thank you for sharing My Robin Hoods are Robin Hood with Errol Flynn when I was 5 (nothing like starting early lol) and then Robin of Sherwood. ..and yes when I saw both Robin Hoods in theater ( Costner and Crowe ) are both favorites😊
Hi Luna I liked this post. I clicked on it because I read a John Connolly novel years ago and I recalled that it featured the green man as a kind of malevolent supernatural deity. And he linked its origin to the NE England.
Really interesting, thank you! Whilst I obviously defer to the superior knowledge and research of the sources you mention, I still don't think that they were merely decorative motifs and nothing more. My local cathedral, Lichfield, is full of them. It's said that no one has been able to accurately count them. Pretty much all carvings in a cathedral would have had religious, spiritual or superstitious meaning to those who carved them. These were deeply religious and superstitious people, who still very much believed in the power of magic. Gargoyles were thought to scare away evil spirits. Although the origins of the image of the 'Green Man' may have been in the Indian subcontinent, that doesn't mean that the image was not adopted and merged with preexisting Western European beliefs and traditions which were grafted onto it. We often look for familiar patterns and interpret them with our own familiar ideas. I'm not disagreeing with Ronald Hutton's analysis, he has far more knowledge than I do, but it's a thought. Again, thank you for the great video!
I agree, just because something is a decorative motif it doesn’t mean it didn’t have a deeper meaning as well, especially to be included in spiritual places. We may never know the exact truth if it
Hello Luna it's a name given to several pubs, the Greenman in Ashbourne and also ashby de la zouch I believe the Ashbourne pub was built around 1750 ish there are references to it as an older named pub, yet on official register it's 1951 the pub however use to hold auctions for estate agents Henry Spencer an sons so they may hold early historical catalogues I'm presently trying to recall a Greenman reference in early poetry certainly seen it in books of mid eighteen hundreds ilk! I'll keep thinking if all the pubs are post 1939 that'd be a surprise and unlikely too. Cheers
You may enjoy Robert Holdstock's Mythago Wood cycle. Lavondyss in particular has a lot concerning the Green Man. He is seen as very much a Jungian archetypal figure.
Thanks for an interesting video but here in Lancashire we have at least two Green Man pubs that I'm pretty sure pr-date the 1930s, although I haven't researched this so I could be wrong. Just a thought.
Such an interesting topic, thank you! 😊 There’s a gargoyle of green man in our fireplace mantelpiece here in the U.S. so I was interested in learning more about his origins.
Very fascinating history of and personal thoughts on the Green Man in many of his iterations in literature and culture. Thanks for sharing this with us, Luna.
Hi thank you for sharing about the Green Man i bought my first one a couple of months ago and love it so every Ostara i will buy another. And Robin Hood does need a whole video to himself. I have just finshed reading Forest Wife ...😊Robin Hood but from Maid Marians prespective i really enjoy it.
Highly recommend looking into the documentary "Hellier". It goes a little deeper, not specifically into the Green Man, but into the Kentucky goblins, and from there goes several directions. One of which delves into the Green Man.
I really enjoyed this video. Thank you for sharing your time and knowledge with us. I don't think it is any coincidence that many green man carvings are located within churches and cathedrals, after all the church has integrated so many of the native beliefs of societies to further its own place as the superior religion, even active now , within the church of England's newly appointed head. Churches were often built on sites of ancient worship, even inside churches, the predomince of oak and what it symbolizes is not, I think just a convenient building material. The adoption of this 'pagan' symbol, and the carved green man faces , surely has to have more to it. To be iconic in so many society's for so many ages, even predating written word must hold some strong beliefs. I think the image tells a forgotten story, one passed down through the stories around the hearth. Perhaps the image is like the Aboriginal art, not a pretty picture but a universal lesson to those that can read it. My feeling is ,that there is more to learn! Thank you for inspiring these thoughts!
In Queensferry, just outside Edinburgh every year, a man dressed from head to toe in burrs. South Queensferrys Berry man parades through the town, stopping at every pub and have a drink by his side, or to supporters there to keep him standing up by the end of the day, the festival of element used to be climbing a greasy pole with a prize on the top very much, a man only competition with local men competing for the prize at the top. I cannot tell you when it started how it started but it’s an interesting throwback to another time.❤
If you study all you can find on the subject of the Findhorn Foundation currently, and its history specifically, you will run across their actual relationship with a Greenman.
I call my neighbor The Green Man because he's always out in the woods, planting native wildflowers or cutting down invasive species. I will help him occasionally (when I don't have to work). He gets a kick out of me calling him that. So, that's the local Green Man.
I'm more influenced by Ireland and scotland so I dont have much of a connection with the green man and am more familiar with the welsh green knight than the green man. However I think that modern paganism has very much been tied into new waves of feminism and women's liberation which I 100% support but I think the side effect of the over feminization of things like wicca and Neopaganism can make it feel like a religion meant for girls and especially wicca can give off the impression of being a womens cult. I think that's what makes the green man so refreshing is that he recognized that nature has two sides a feminine and a masculine and it can send a message to men saying that we too can belong here. too often we separate nature into the feminine and man made things into the masculine this viewpoint both overlooks achievements made by women and cuts men of from nature the green man challenges this viewpoint and so I like him.
Other names associated with the Green Man are; Green George, Jack-in-the-Green, Leaf Man, and May King. Ref Barbara G Walker - The Woman’s Dictionary of Symbols and Sacred Objects.
None of those are associated with the Green Man. 'Jack-in-the Green' also 'Jack-in-the-Bush' was a late 18th century chimney sweeps tradition in London. The rest are neo-pagan concoctions.
I met the Green Man on DMT and heard from someone who Met him on mushrooms… and I believe that all of our ancestors from every continent were likely (maybe accidentally/unknowingly) consuming psychotropic substances like psilocybin or DMT, and entering a world of spirits where the Green Man is very much alive and real. I didn’t know about the green Man during the experience… I’ve landed here after researching to explain it to myself…. And it was shocking how similar the green man artwork is to how he looked. He was a giant and actually had brown skin like a tree trunk, and seemingly created the universe by dreaming it and singing it into existence.. for from his face sprung nature and life after seemingly waking up and merging with me and singing a song with me (glossalia, speaking tongues) while showing a satisfied look and subtly signaling to me that it’s okay… I was trying to sing and even ask questions throug by the lyrics but I could only affect half a word without him pushing it to a different new word, and our words were shifting and melting together while retaining the meaning, and somehow I’d ask a question and he’d rearrange my words before the end of the sentence in a way that they became the answer by the time the sentence was over. All while leafs were flowing from his face, even evolving into what looked like roads and cars… like the entire universe sprang out of this man’s face when he awoke and we sung together. It was an amazing experience. I believe it was the Green Man, whom is also the Dagda and Freyr. I think!
In Islam, there is a figure known as al-Khidr which means the Verdant or the Green One. He is generally understood as a wandering Immortal Sage. Although not identified by name in the Qur'an, there is general ijma` {consensus) amongst the Qur'anic mufassirun (exegetes) that the mysterious, enigmatic figure who is Musa (Moses)'s Companion in Qur'an 18:65-82 is al-Khidr. He becomes particularly popular amongst the Sufis, who are the ascetics and mystics of Islam, with many stories of Sufi shuyukh and pirs meeting him.
Love this. It reminded me of I think its scottish highlands folklore the green lady or Glaistig( I think I spelt that right I was fighting my autocorrect)
It refers to the character of Jane - Rochester saying that when they first met he thought she was a fairy - related to the sprites and elfin folk of the woods. And the name 'Green Man' was invented 100 years after the novel was written.
Even here in the United States we have masculine folkloric super beings in our national mythology. For example: Paul Bunyan, Johnny Appleseed and John Henry. Most notable is Paul Bunyan, the colossal giant who was a lumberjack whose companion was a giant blue ox named Babe. Paul is a forest dweller although his main occupation is chopping down trees, none the less he is depicted as hyper masculine archetype with a beard, wearing a plaid flannel shirt with broad shoulders, strong arms and a hairy chest.
I suspect that the green man depictions rather than adopted from one origin, have likely many separate origins. As a concept the green man fits the human propensity to anthropamophise to explain nature.
Interesting he was in my room I really like how you linked Merlyn to him I was just thinking of that before I watched this video ha cool how things are now starting to line up with the stars ✨ Water Horse sails on ✨ 🌊 ⛵️ 🏝 to the green door portal on Catalina islan🌀
It's so interesting, there is actually a 'Green Man' forest spirit (very important one as people used to treat forests as sacret spaces) called Leszy in Polish (and Salvic) culture, that looked like a man - tree (oak most commonly), he was a protector of the forest, but he could also make people disappear if they were destroying nature. What's more: Celts used to live in lower silesia regions (poland) before they emigrated to other countires like the Britain : ) So maybe we do share common themes there as well ! (You can find more info typing ' Leshy' as it's the english version) (more info about celts in poland : I would recommend typing ' Celtowie w Polsce' and translating the articles for the newest info as I can't find as much in english) (also yes I do write extra info in brackets : D )
To me, as a man, he represents a sacrificial figure. I see him giving himself to the life of the future. He dies in service to "the mother" and is born again through her. The services men have traditionally rendered to the community as warriors, hunters, even lumber Jack's and miners, all come with risk. The green man represents the joyful assumption of that role.
What do youthink about the green knight movie with dev patel, that's the first thing i thought of thinking about this green man! Looked online and other people connected the green knight to the green man
I'm professional diesel mechanic but my real passion is nature and gardening so my coworkers call me the green man whenever I get talking about gardening or nature and how I find it spiritually or mentally balancing. Now to them I seem like some sort of wuss but I'm comfortable with my masculinity so Im just me and their none the wiser as usual. I have a green man terracotta face hung up on back of my house facing out into the garden. For past several years I've been working on my green space more and more surrounding my home and it's magically enjoyable coming home after killing myself for the Man to enjoy the natural wonders all around us. The trees, the pollinators, flowers, the smell of the lilacs or the elderberry bush, lavender, rosemary an sometimes I catch a wiff of the agastache I've planted around but I'll shut up because I can go on forever about everything I've planted and then some.😅
The Green Man is ancient. He's also found in all sorts of old world artwork and has been carved into just about everything carved out of wood. This is far from a simple decoration. There is certainly spiritual significants to this highly occultic old world being. Like so many of life's mysteries, I assume we'll find out what it's all about on the other side of this flesh.
@@janwilson9485 Iron Age Celts had it and were illiterate. History by definition is recorded. Prehistory does not mean before the first civilization to invent writing and record history. Prehistory is relative.
Hello! Just to clarify as I've had a few comments about this - I don't believe English culture 'stole' the green man, I think it spread naturally. It was just a light joke but some folk have taken it the wrong way :)
Hi Luna have a listen to the jethro tull song "jack in the green"
While meditating in a barley field in Bournemouth, the Green Man appeared to me. Something tells me he simply is,
I am from Turkey but my ancestors are from Albania and Romania. My mother (Romanian side) tells about some spring festivities where they cover a young boy from head to toe, with large leaves (like a 'green man'?) and he used to walk around the village and people used to pour water on those leaves. When the 'greenman' shook himself, the water would sprinkle around and that would symbolise 'abundance, spring, fertility' for her people. It was a very old tradition, she says. So, there is more to the greenman than just being an 'architectural embellishment'. He was and maybe, still is, part of sympathetic magic, I think.
Thank you for sharing. I agree, what people think of as a green man now (the decorative foliate head), is all part of something bigger and more ancient.
Thanks for sharing your story, things like this make the subject so much more interesting. These stories are important in understanding our past.😊 You might consider writing any stories like this down to pass on to future generations.👍
Correct . We practice this types of pagan rituals when springs comes . In fact in Albanian , Druid means , men of forest . It’s part of the story of human migration through Europe.
Fascinating!
In Caribbean folk law there is Pappa Bois. He looks very old, has a leaf beard, is physically strong and lives in the forest.
where does that lore originate?
That’s interesting because “bois” would be French for “wood.”
Long before Spanish and European infestations there was a legend of a man and woman with birds wings who fed island people when food was scarce among the indigenous native tahano people. They still remember those who still live in the southern islands of the Carib.
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Infestations?
The idea of the Green Man is interesting. I'm Lakota, which is one of the 570+ tribal nations recognized by the U.S. federal gov't. There are many more recognized by states and many that disappeared during colonization, not to mention hundreds of tribes in Canada, Mexico and Central America. We are a Northern Plains tribe who were hunter-gatherers historically. You would probably have to look in the southeastern and especially the U.S.southwestern tribes that extend down into what is now Mexico and other countries like Guatemala, Honduras, Nicaragua, etc where there was an extensive tradition of agriculture as well as heavily wooded areas and jungle to find comparable cultural examples with the Green Man seen in other cultures around the globe. However, most tribal cultures in what is now North America, that were primarily dependent on agriculture, were matrilineal. So their stories and folklore are more typically based on a fertile "Mother Earth" figure.
Thank you for sharing, that’s really interesting
Yum Kaax from Mayan culture? Deity of wild plants and animals.
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The Green Man doesn't appear in any folklore - simply a carved decorative feature found mostly in churches.
🎩 Hi great video. As an ex forester, I think of the green man as a guardian of the woods. Especially with the oak. When I worked in 200 year old oak groves it was easy to imagine him taking care of them. I suppose just like I used to do.
Another character that could relate to the green man (at least to me) is the wizard Radagast the brown from LOTR as he lives in nature and looks after animals, I would also like to see a video on Robin Hood
Yes! That’s a good one 🧙♂️
Or Tom Bombadil
@@AnnalisaDugard With his partner Goldberry the riverman's daughter. Who could be echo of lady of the lake or the Goddess Brigit or maybe Danu.
Gresham College’s TH-cam channel has a lecture on Robin Hood.
I first got interested in The Green Man after watching the Robin Of Sherwood TV series in the 80s and the character of Herne The Hunter. Since then it's a subject that still fascinates me, especially these days where I like to spend my spare time out hiking the Shropshire Hills and through the woodland. To me it's about a connection to nature and the old ways
In addition to thinking about British folklore, Robin Hood, etc, I always think of Pan and his pursuit of the nymphs and dryads. Because of his "ravishing" of the female nature spirits, it reminds me of the way greenery "ravishes" the earth in the spring and summer, spreading rapidly over the earth, "laying on top" of the earth, etc.
Yes absolutely!
So happy you mentioned Tom Bombadil!! I was añso devastated that he was left out. He could be a series of books by himself
Type o negative has a beautiful song called the Greenman 💚
Yes indeed! The whole album October Rust is quite dandy.
Roy Harper also has a beautiful green man song 💚
Yessss
There are a few more songs of the green man. One of the most beautiful songs is from an Irish songwriter Martin Donnelly. XTC has one too. And I wrote a song some 15 years ago...Face In The Leaves.
@@mclarsj oké very cool. Thanks
For any youngsters out there, the band "traffic" has an excellent version of "John Barley corn". Easy enough to find on you tube and I think you find it worth your time.
Loved hearing you talk about this 💚!! I’ve literally spent today painting clay green man faces then noticed you uploaded this 😂 💫
Aw I love that! 💚💚
*The Green Knight.*
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Helluva movie.
14:34 That's how I see The Green Man too! 😊 For me He is the Male energy, sitting on the right, keeping daytime (or the sun) 🌞 within Him as well as of course, all the elements of the beautiful connected circle of nature & life that we all need to grow 🥰
Really glad to have found your channel! Especially as you are quite local! 😊
This is just what was required today for me, thank you!
Also, I thought to myself...I must have been to Durham Cathedral dozens of times, yet I've never really LOOKED! 😆
I love how you found those by looking up! It's amazing what we see when we look up & down as well as what's around us! Will carry on watching now! Thanks again! BB
To be a heathen wild man is to experience the one true tangible reality of walking the actual earth. Living off the land. Grid? What’s that?
Self sufficiency is the best way to make a sustainable future out of an adventurous present-day living of life to its fullest human extent. The bigger a past a man has doing that, the bigger his legacy will be.
If things continue to cost This Much to let others automate things that we can do ourselves, we’re going to start doing these things ourselves again. It’s worth the extra work and monumental effort - as time has proven. I like the idea of going back to having a sense of community - not a freaking commune, communism or any of those perversions - but a real actual sense of community. Community centers like they have in Australia.🇦🇺 Growing your own food. Hunting and fishing for your own game. People just helping each other do what they will.
Most megadeaths and mass-harm and come from governments and rich jerks who use them to be bad. But actual people just want to raise families. You get regular people to have a war they won’t do it without governments and professional criminals lying and tricking them into it. Without disgustingly rich people sneaking their evil agendas into government programs, there would be no war at all because people just want peace, love and the opportunity to raise families and/or be with friends.
So a real man will marry a woman, raise children and be as self sufficient as possible. And hey man if you’re in the city there are still ways to be as self sufficient as possible - take city community gardens for example.
Awesome vid, great topic and way cool entertaining useful stuff, as always! I love your channel!
This is brilliant! And I smiled and looked at the Green Man on my own living room wall as I watched this.
The Green Man as a decorative motif seems to me a subliminal multicultural symbol that still speaks to humanity and ties into our ancient past. Horned Gods, often with vegetative qualities also, and the like go way, WAY back, likely to our ancient hunter-gatherer past.
Your examples of similar beings in folklore and literature were excellent and our lists were quite similar, though you had a few I didn't think of. Another is Scotland's Ghillie Dhu of the Highlands, a protector of a particular forest there.
As far as what this all means to me as a man, since you asked, I see these sorts of beings as a non-toxic but still powerful template for masculinity. So much of growing up male is presented as a atruggle, a battle or a war. Yet here is a figure who is confident, wise and powerful but not aggressive. So often we see Nature as female, but there is the masculine counterpart. And that speaks to me in powerful ways.
You can go back to the era of the Beaker People from Western Asia and Eastern Europe, in Britain the Beaker People arrived in 2400 BC, They work with Sun and Moon calendar, 13 months in a year, and mother Nature ruled them all, she had 4 children the 3rd child was of the forest, who the Pro-Celtic and Romans called Cernnunos, we today know him as the Greenman
No.
The 'Green Man' and Cernunnos are not the same thing.
@@Wotsitorlabart Though out history different names given for the same sort of thing
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Cernunnos was usually depicted full length. He invariably wears red deer antlers. There are no images of Cernunnos with a foliate face (ie like a green man).
The 'Green Man' stems from the 2nd/3rd century Roman 'leaf masks' and the 5th century Indian kirttimukha and makara motif - from which the 'disgorging head' green man is derived.
I learned a lot in this video. I love your rigour and erudition.
I think the Ents in LOTR could also be seen as forms of the Green Man.
In Canada, the only thing I saw that could be close to a Green Man, is a face carved in a green brick. The man had long hair and a beard and those eyes staring at you. It was a bit scary when I saw it as a kid.
In accordance with the depth psychology of Carl Jung, I believe Green Men could be an external manifestation of certain archetypes buried deep inside our collective psyche. In this case, perhaps the Animus.
I really appreciated this investigation.
As far as "stealing" from other cultures...some would say that this habit of adoption is difficult to distinguish from the perennial human tendency to incorporate cultural influences from afield. It can either be viewed as a compliment to the culture from which the influence is taken, as wrongly exploitative, or neither.
What a lovely video. Great review. Well researched
Rosslyn Chapel in Scotland c. 1446 has over 100 green men depicted in stone. They go from young all the way to death in a circle around the chapel- circle of life and death.
There are quite a few of these in Gothenburg/Sweden, where I used to love. Typically hidden away pretty high up in some building. I like them a lot.
I love that you mentioned Ronald Hutton's take on the Green Man, as I follow him and have confidence in his knowledge-base, even when he crushes my whimsy with facts. ;-) I, too, associate Green Man with Cernunnos. So happy you shared about this beloved entity!!
Crushing whimsy with facts! This is a perfect description of how I feel researching these videos! 🤣
. Whenever I can substantiate and affirm legend and mythology with historical fact, for me, it makes the folklore even more magical. It feels like, based on my instinct, that the concept of the "green man" goes back to the age of Cancer (the first age immediately after the end of the younger dryas.) When people started to farm
(re-farm ?) the land.
Are you familiar with the musical album "Songs from the wood". I think you might like it. Happy Earth Day, peace.
@@timmurphy334 I'll check it out!
@@timmurphy334 I think, and I am far from an expert but whenever a farming population became several generations removed from their hunter gather roots any contact with some highly camouflaged hunter gathers in the forest would seem like wildmen or Greenmen, some may have even had antlers on their head for hunting or ceremonial purposes. This mundane phenomenon would reenforce any already held spiritual beliefs in such entities. I am just wildly guessing though.
@@bluebird3281 Farming populations never become seperate from hunting populations it just doesn't happen.
Fun points for Jethro Tull's Jack in the Green 😉
Nice.
And Traffic’s John Barleycorn
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Neither of which have any relevance to the 'Green Man'.
@@Wotsitorlabart 13:22 you disagree with the videographer?
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Yes.
The 'Jack-in-the-Green' originated in the late 18th century in association with the London chimney sweeps' May Day celebrations where it was part of the entertainment. In 1939 Lady Raglan, with no knowledge of the origins of the JITG and with no evidence, incorrectly associated it with the church foliate heads she had newly discovered and named 'Green Man'.
The original English version of 'John Barleycorn' called 'Sir John Barleycorne' was written in 1624 and completely re-written in the 1700's as the song we now know. It has nothing to do with corn spirits or resurrection or such nonsense and definitely has no connection to the Green Man.
The New Penguin Book of English Folk Songs describes it as a 'clever allegory' on the making of booze.
The Scottish song mentioned in the video from the 1500's is called 'Allan-a-Maut' was written in Scots and deals with the effects of drink rather than its making.
Very informative! Thank you!
As a boy, i lived in a house with my mother and was able to see the image of a burly bearded man sitting on a throne in the woodwork of a door in the house. This wasnt an intentionally decorated door, just a normal terrace house door, i once tried to show it to my mother but she couldnt see it, not until the day we were moving out did she notice the pattern.
This terrified me because it was just staring at me every time i closed the bathroom door, no one else being able to see it freaked me out further.
As the years went on I started learning about the green man and it always reminded me of the "wood king" from my childhood home.
I love anything green man also, I'm painting a green man as we speak, hehe. thanks for this video, very enjoyable.😍🌿🌱🍃🍁🌳🌿🍂
Fantastic information! I have a few green man images hanging in my home. Have always associated him with renewal and rebirth. Just wondering, but would Bacchus be a type of green man 😊 Thanks for sharing 💚
Thank you for this lovely video! After listening to XTC on the way home from grocery shopping today, I told my son what I thought I knew about the Green Man. I look forward to sharing this video with him since I was half wrong and half right.
Thank you:)
the Leaf man (as I have always called him) has been a part of my person seems like forever..yet my leaf man has always been small and hides in the tall flowers or the shrubs and base of trees. was always told that there was a guardian of the fields and the gardens that we maintain...thank you for sharing My Robin Hoods are Robin Hood with Errol Flynn when I was 5 (nothing like starting early lol) and then Robin of Sherwood. ..and yes when I saw both Robin Hoods in theater ( Costner and Crowe ) are both favorites😊
Wonderful documentary...informative and interesting ❤
This was a very interesting and informative video. Thanks for sharing! 🖤🍀
Hi Luna I liked this post. I clicked on it because I read a John Connolly novel years ago and I recalled that it featured the green man as a kind of malevolent supernatural deity. And he linked its origin to the NE England.
Really interesting, thank you! Whilst I obviously defer to the superior knowledge and research of the sources you mention, I still don't think that they were merely decorative motifs and nothing more. My local cathedral, Lichfield, is full of them. It's said that no one has been able to accurately count them. Pretty much all carvings in a cathedral would have had religious, spiritual or superstitious meaning to those who carved them. These were deeply religious and superstitious people, who still very much believed in the power of magic. Gargoyles were thought to scare away evil spirits. Although the origins of the image of the 'Green Man' may have been in the Indian subcontinent, that doesn't mean that the image was not adopted and merged with preexisting Western European beliefs and traditions which were grafted onto it. We often look for familiar patterns and interpret them with our own familiar ideas. I'm not disagreeing with Ronald Hutton's analysis, he has far more knowledge than I do, but it's a thought. Again, thank you for the great video!
I agree, just because something is a decorative motif it doesn’t mean it didn’t have a deeper meaning as well, especially to be included in spiritual places. We may never know the exact truth if it
Hello Luna it's a name given to several pubs, the Greenman in Ashbourne and also ashby de la zouch I believe the Ashbourne pub was built around 1750 ish there are references to it as an older named pub, yet on official register it's 1951 the pub however use to hold auctions for estate agents Henry Spencer an sons so they may hold early historical catalogues I'm presently trying to recall a Greenman reference in early poetry certainly seen it in books of mid eighteen hundreds ilk!
I'll keep thinking if all the pubs are post 1939 that'd be a surprise and unlikely too.
Cheers
You may enjoy Robert Holdstock's Mythago Wood cycle. Lavondyss in particular has a lot concerning the Green Man. He is seen as very much a Jungian archetypal figure.
Love that book.
You are the third person to recommend me that book so it sounds like I really need to get a copy! :)
Excellent video, Luna
He’s a sprit and he is very funny 😂😁I did see him and anyone want to know about it feel free to ask .
Many people see him. And those like him. Check out Thomas Sheridan beyond room 313.
Thanks for an interesting video but here in Lancashire we have at least two Green Man pubs that I'm pretty sure pr-date the 1930s, although I haven't researched this so I could be wrong. Just a thought.
Thanks, Luna!
Such an interesting topic, thank you! 😊 There’s a gargoyle of green man in our fireplace mantelpiece here in the U.S. so I was interested in learning more about his origins.
Very fascinating history of and personal thoughts on the Green Man in many of his iterations in literature and culture. Thanks for sharing this with us, Luna.
Fascinating, thank you.
This video caught my eye bc Im working on making a Greenman room in my house! 🧙
Hi thank you for sharing about the Green Man i bought my first one a couple of months ago and love it so every Ostara i will buy another. And Robin Hood does need a whole video to himself. I have just finshed reading Forest Wife ...😊Robin Hood but from Maid Marians prespective i really enjoy it.
Happy spring! ✌👍
Highly recommend looking into the documentary "Hellier". It goes a little deeper, not specifically into the Green Man, but into the Kentucky goblins, and from there goes several directions. One of which delves into the Green Man.
He plays a prominent role in my favorite tarot deck, the Wildwood Tarot.
Tom Bombadil is in the power of the rings season 2 :) i got all excited when I saw him finally being involved last night :)
I really enjoyed this video. Thank you for sharing your time and knowledge with us.
I don't think it is any coincidence that many green man carvings are located within churches and cathedrals, after all the church has integrated so many of the native beliefs of societies to further its own place as the superior religion, even active now , within the church of England's newly appointed head.
Churches were often built on sites of ancient worship, even inside churches, the predomince of oak and what it symbolizes is not, I think just a convenient building material.
The adoption of this 'pagan' symbol, and the carved green man faces , surely has to have more to it. To be iconic in so many society's for so many ages, even predating written word must hold some strong beliefs. I think the image tells a forgotten story, one passed down through the stories around the hearth. Perhaps the image is like the Aboriginal art, not a pretty picture but a universal lesson to those that can read it.
My feeling is ,that there is more to learn!
Thank you for inspiring these thoughts!
The Green Man is a representation of paradolia. In short, wherever nearsighted people and forests coexisted the Green Man appeared.
I'm not nearsighted. Nor are thousands of others. Check out Thomas Sheridan. Hope you like him,
We have a History of the Green Man here in Portland Oregon USA as well.
The Green Man is the late,great Peter Steele.
In Queensferry, just outside Edinburgh every year, a man dressed from head to toe in burrs. South Queensferrys Berry man parades through the town, stopping at every pub and have a drink by his side, or to supporters there to keep him standing up by the end of the day, the festival of element used to be climbing a greasy pole with a prize on the top very much, a man only competition with local men competing for the prize at the top. I cannot tell you when it started how it started but it’s an interesting throwback to another time.❤
In the 1990s shut up and dance did a rave track called the green man. but i think its about a pub in hackney.. excellent dance track
If you study all you can find on the subject of the Findhorn Foundation currently, and its history specifically, you will run across their actual relationship
with a Greenman.
I call my neighbor The Green Man because he's always out in the woods, planting native wildflowers or cutting down invasive species. I will help him occasionally (when I don't have to work). He gets a kick out of me calling him that. So, that's the local Green Man.
I'm more influenced by Ireland and scotland so I dont have much of a connection with the green man and am more familiar with the welsh green knight than the green man. However I think that modern paganism has very much been tied into new waves of feminism and women's liberation which I 100% support but I think the side effect of the over feminization of things like wicca and Neopaganism can make it feel like a religion meant for girls and especially wicca can give off the impression of being a womens cult. I think that's what makes the green man so refreshing is that he recognized that nature has two sides a feminine and a masculine and it can send a message to men saying that we too can belong here. too often we separate nature into the feminine and man made things into the masculine this viewpoint both overlooks achievements made by women and cuts men of from nature the green man challenges this viewpoint and so I like him.
This is a really good point, thank you!
He's an inspiration to all Englishmen.
I watched this video it was interesting so I googled it brought back to your video
another amazing video
I get Tom Bombadil but why not Treebeard?
Treebeard is definitely another good example, I just couldn’t give every single example in this video otherwise it would be about ten hours long!
Other names associated with the Green Man are; Green George, Jack-in-the-Green, Leaf Man, and May King. Ref Barbara G Walker - The Woman’s Dictionary of Symbols and Sacred Objects.
None of those are associated with the Green Man.
'Jack-in-the Green' also 'Jack-in-the-Bush' was a late 18th century chimney sweeps tradition in London.
The rest are neo-pagan concoctions.
I met the Green Man on DMT and heard from someone who Met him on mushrooms… and I believe that all of our ancestors from every continent were likely (maybe accidentally/unknowingly) consuming psychotropic substances like psilocybin or DMT, and entering a world of spirits where the Green Man is very much alive and real. I didn’t know about the green Man during the experience… I’ve landed here after researching to explain it to myself…. And it was shocking how similar the green man artwork is to how he looked. He was a giant and actually had brown skin like a tree trunk, and seemingly created the universe by dreaming it and singing it into existence.. for from his face sprung nature and life after seemingly waking up and merging with me and singing a song with me (glossalia, speaking tongues) while showing a satisfied look and subtly signaling to me that it’s okay… I was trying to sing and even ask questions throug by the lyrics but I could only affect half a word without him pushing it to a different new word, and our words were shifting and melting together while retaining the meaning, and somehow I’d ask a question and he’d rearrange my words before the end of the sentence in a way that they became the answer by the time the sentence was over. All while leafs were flowing from his face, even evolving into what looked like roads and cars… like the entire universe sprang out of this man’s face when he awoke and we sung together. It was an amazing experience. I believe it was the Green Man, whom is also the Dagda and Freyr. I think!
Yes, a video on Robinhood!!!
In Islam, there is a figure known as al-Khidr which means the Verdant or the Green One. He is generally understood as a wandering Immortal Sage. Although not identified by name in the Qur'an, there is general ijma` {consensus) amongst the Qur'anic mufassirun (exegetes) that the mysterious, enigmatic figure who is Musa (Moses)'s Companion in Qur'an 18:65-82 is al-Khidr. He becomes particularly popular amongst the Sufis, who are the ascetics and mystics of Islam, with many stories of Sufi shuyukh and pirs meeting him.
Interesting, thank you for sharing!
Love this. It reminded me of I think its scottish highlands folklore the green lady or Glaistig( I think I spelt that right I was fighting my autocorrect)
Now I understand the mention of the “men in green” in chapter 8 of Jane Eyre.
It refers to the character of Jane - Rochester saying that when they first met he thought she was a fairy - related to the sprites and elfin folk of the woods.
And the name 'Green Man' was invented 100 years after the novel was written.
you see decorative “green man” figures on trees all over the place where i live in rural north carolina. all of my family had them, too.
Even here in the United States we have masculine folkloric super beings in our national mythology. For example: Paul Bunyan, Johnny Appleseed and John Henry. Most notable is Paul Bunyan, the colossal giant who was a lumberjack whose companion was a giant blue ox named Babe. Paul is a forest dweller although his main occupation is chopping down trees, none the less he is depicted as hyper masculine archetype with a beard, wearing a plaid flannel shirt with broad shoulders, strong arms and a hairy chest.
Johnny Appleseed was a real person, though a mythology did develop around him.
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Did any of them start 'life' as a carved decorative feature?
the green man could be Al Khidr
"The Green Man" is the first "All Father".
It's a carved decorative feature.
Also associate him with Tam Lin, every woman's natural, untamed masculine personification!
I suspect that the green man depictions rather than adopted from one origin, have likely many separate origins. As a concept the green man fits the human propensity to anthropamophise to explain nature.
Interesting he was in my room I really like how you linked Merlyn to him I was just thinking of that before I watched this video ha cool how things are now starting to line up with the stars ✨ Water Horse sails on
✨ 🌊 ⛵️ 🏝 to the green door portal on Catalina islan🌀
It's so interesting, there is actually a 'Green Man' forest spirit (very important one as people used to treat forests as sacret spaces) called Leszy in Polish (and Salvic) culture, that looked like a man - tree (oak most commonly), he was a protector of the forest, but he could also make people disappear if they were destroying nature. What's more: Celts used to live in lower silesia regions (poland) before they emigrated to other countires like the Britain : ) So maybe we do share common themes there as well ! (You can find more info typing ' Leshy' as it's the english version) (more info about celts in poland : I would recommend typing ' Celtowie w Polsce' and translating the articles for the newest info as I can't find as much in english) (also yes I do write extra info in brackets : D )
Great stuff, I always think of the Green Man when I see 'The Swamp Thing' or 'Man Thing' comics from the seventies 🧌
Yes I always though Christmas present took inspo from Green man.
To me, as a man, he represents a sacrificial figure. I see him giving himself to the life of the future. He dies in service to "the mother" and is born again through her. The services men have traditionally rendered to the community as warriors, hunters, even lumber Jack's and miners, all come with risk. The green man represents the joyful assumption of that role.
Here in Boston we have Wally the Green Monster
What do youthink about the green knight movie with dev patel, that's the first thing i thought of thinking about this green man! Looked online and other people connected the green knight to the green man
There is no connection between the two.
Other than they are both green.
I once carved a green man into a window sill in green stone, in east Knoyle at the back of the Seymour Arms
Such pretty eyes! 🥰
Ker-nu-nos is the commonwealth Celtic pronunciation.
I'm professional diesel mechanic but my real passion is nature and gardening so my coworkers call me the green man whenever I get talking about gardening or nature and how I find it spiritually or mentally balancing. Now to them I seem like some sort of wuss but I'm comfortable with my masculinity so Im just me and their none the wiser as usual. I have a green man terracotta face hung up on back of my house facing out into the garden. For past several years I've been working on my green space more and more surrounding my home and it's magically enjoyable coming home after killing myself for the Man to enjoy the natural wonders all around us. The trees, the pollinators, flowers, the smell of the lilacs or the elderberry bush, lavender, rosemary an sometimes I catch a wiff of the agastache I've planted around but I'll shut up because I can go on forever about everything I've planted and then some.😅
Excellent..
The band Type O Negative has a song about the Green Man.
The Green Man is ancient. He's also found in all sorts of old world artwork and has been carved into just about everything carved out of wood. This is far from a simple decoration. There is certainly spiritual significants to this highly occultic old world being. Like so many of life's mysteries, I assume we'll find out what it's all about on the other side of this flesh.
Hey Luna! Lovely video. Have noticed and have never asked before, but do you have a hair length goal?
No, I keep it at this length and get it cut every few months otherwise it annoys me and is too long
The choir house at southwell minster is full of them
Old 70s band Jethro Tull had a Jack in the Green ✌️
Native america/alaskan have the Wild Man which is very Similar.
he lives in a wee green hoose
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Is he loose like a moose?
It's not Pete Steele? Well gosh darn.
Green Man is extremely ancient, and evidence shows it predates history, It is the most ancient fertility shamanism.
How does it predate history?
@@janwilson9485 Iron Age Celts had it and were illiterate. History by definition is recorded. Prehistory does not mean before the first civilization to invent writing and record history. Prehistory is relative.
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No they didn't.
The leaf mask foliate head is 2nd century Roman.
The disgorging head type from 4th-6th century India.
Goodnight peach
ja'am Me plz.. 😝 😶🌫
Your name suits you so well ❤
Early migrations into Britain by Brutus and the Britons...See The Holy Kingdom...Wilson, Blackett, Aidrian Gilbert...
Nonsense.
The old man of the apple orchard is a west country version of the green man
The Green Man is Herne the Hunter…howay the geordies.
Herne the Hunter was from Staffordshire.
That is if he existed outside of 'The Merry Wives of Windsor'.
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