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- In this video I show all the tech differences between the Vanford and Miravel spinning reels. Both fall under the Magnumlite family of Shimano Spinning but people are asking which is best value so let's do this!
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Miravel = lighter vs of the Nasci. Vanford = lighter vs of the Stradic. Simple and clear! Thanks, JP!
vanford is good the frirst year then crap .. 2 vanfords has gone bad eveything has play in irt... my ultegra fc is so much bweter
I own 2 vanfords and they are money I own 1 stradic it is money. The vanford is smoother and lighter for sure. I don't care for the nasci, but I did just order a 2000 series miravel for a crappie setup. Should be here tomorrow looking foward to fishing it!
Thank you sir for the great review. I purchased the vanford this AM and you confirmed that I picked a good reel. Thanks
Nice Breakdown JP! I have 4 Vanford's now and love them. (2) in the 2000, a 2500 and a 3000. From Trout to bass I'm covered.
Have both the Nasci and Stradic FL reels and like the more solid feel of both. Mostly used for Seatrout, Reds, Snook and Juvenile Tarpon. Have loved Shimano since the 1st Aero Stradic.
This kind of video easy to understand. Thank you for the video.
Good review, buddy. Have to say I bought a 3k series miravel last week for a rod I built for my wife, and I'm taking it back this week. My vanfords and old ci4s are just better . The miravel had a few issues 1) won't close the bail while cranking (if it's oriented wrong , 2) started making a clicking sound ,3) gets really hard to crank 4) locked up . I managed to get it freed up and spinning again but the problems made me park it after 20 minutes, I was pre fishing a tournament so I waited untill i got back home , oiled it seems to be working OK now but I'm not taking any chances my vanfords and ci4+s never have any issues. Imo, get a vanford, don't deal with the headaches of this reel it has a ci4+ body, and that's the end of the similarities. I may just have just got a bad one, but if you own vanfords or ci4s, you probably won't be happy.
Hi Mark, none of the spinning reels are designed to flip the bail in all honesty. They are designed to be manually flipped which is the way I always to it. They just happen to trip if in the right spot. The Miravel would never, ever be as good as a Vanford or previous gen Ci4+ because of several tech features that are not on par like SARB bearings, Micro Module gear, one piece bail arm, X protect and others.
Good video, there is a lot of difference between the two reels, I bought the marivel 1000 for trout fishing.
They are a super fun reel for their price point. Perform really welll! Hope you enjoy it
Could you do a Miravel vs Ultegra? They are so close in price that a side by side comparison would be helpful as well as which would be better suited for certain techniques.
He had a chart that included the ultegra, it was the 2nd one on the list
I have both and your right Vanford is a much better real much lighter and them strength is also there
Thanks for this info JP. How do the Miravel and Ultegra compare for general weekender use? Thank you.
The Ultegra is definitely more refined but doesn't have the low start up inertia that Miravel boasts being a core solid reel. Both are great choices but I suspect more longevity will come from Ultegra with its SARB bearings if you fish harsh environments.
Love my Miravel! How is the sealing on the new Striatic FM compared to the FL?
Runs the same X Protect system
Love my Vanfords!!! SHARED to 613BASS'N
Great breakdown. Let me add to the decision making process. If you wanted to jerk bait fish spinning, with the Ronin in mind, would you stick with Vanford, or would you consider crazy $ and look at Twin Power, Exsense or even crazier $ Stella?
Twin Power is a great reel and has a ton of power. For jerkbaiting, especially if you use braid to fluoro, I would stick with a Coresolid reel so I would opt for Stradic or Twin Power
Just as others have mentioned, it does need a dab of oil before you use it th-cam.com/users/postUgkxSlytCJqozTF7EbdP4LWP-HUXf9WRDJ0e - put a few drops in through the convenient screw cap and you are good to go! I have fished several weeks with a couple of these, and I will be getting more in the future. I put these against my Abu Garcia Pro Max reel, and they actually perform a bit better than the Abu with some of my lighter cranks, and definitely just as good with the rest of my lures. My Abu is a bit more low profile and fits my hand better, but these are definitely not bad at all. You can almost get 3 of these for the price of my Pro Max. My only complaint is the thumb bar sits pretty high compared to my traditional profile Abu. Bring that thumb bar down a little and I’m sold on these all day long.
It sure is!
I have read that the space between the reel seat and the bend of the arm going to the reel is narrower on the Vanford than other reels and some have complained that it is very uncomfortable on their finger. Have you experienced that at all?
I have not experienced that Michael. I have pretty big hands and haven’t had any issues
I see a lot of used miravels on American legacy for sale, that concerns me as this is a newer reel, I just bought a nasci 3000 hg and have a fuego so I think I'm set with my spinning setups that I barely use.
The Miravel is a twin to the Nasci with the Magnumlite rotor and Ci4 frame being the only differences.
Huh. So i think the big thing i learned is that ar some point inmight think about vanguard bearings for my miravel.
I don’t owned the Vanford but I do owned the Shimano 22 Complex XR 2000 F4. The complex have a more neutral color and more appealing to the eyes. Plus complex have everything Vanford have plus a better sealing and 9+1 BB
That is not available in North America
@@JPDeRoseOutdoors no it's not, but which is why it's way better than the vanford
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This guy does a breakdown of your reel and the Vanford. He disagrees with you completely.
If you run really light braid the 2 piece bail kind of sucks. I like my Nasci but it will catch line if I'm not careful. Love my Vanford and Ultegra.
Definitely nicer to have the one piece bail arm for sure
I’ve never owned a Shimano spinning reel. The Ultegra is only about 25 bucks more and appears to have much more features. Are those features worth it? I don’t know what a long stroke spool is. 7.1 ounces sounds amazing though.
There's a few big upgrades in the Ultegra over the Miravel, S-ARB Bearings, One Piece Bail arm, Long Stroke Spool (taller spool for better management fo the line) plus the micro module II gear. In my opinion a more solid reel for sure but he Miravel is incredible for an entry level Magnumlite Reel
So, I'm just curious after your last couple of statements, Will the Vanford 4000 work for largemouth? I just purchased one for that very reason and haven't received it yet. I loved my old Stradic I've had for 20 years and it is still my go to but wanted a new reel so I ordered the vanford 4000
You will love the Vanford. It can handle anything you throw at it.
@@JPDeRoseOutdoors Glad the hear it. I was worried for a minute lol. Thanks for responding and for the great videos. Merry Christmas take care
Thanks for the video! Is the miravel suitable for surf casting king mackerels 2kg up to 20?
Might be a bit undergunned for 40lb Kings. Especially line capacity, even with a 5000. I would look at the Spheros SW or something along that size. Miravel only goes up to a 5000 size here in North America
@@JPDeRoseOutdoors Thanks! I went bought one soon after. I have to say the weight and built is impressive. But I have noticed the miravel turns into a salt grinder once the lure is bigger than 25 grams with diving lip and on fast retrieve (pencil no problemo - its still no twin power). No issues with big kings so far as long as the rod is good and the line has a titanium wire, pulling 30 ish pound surf fish on 33lb with not much consideration to the braid integrity 😀 and never pulling line more than 100-150m.
Even through the video is about comparing Vanford and miravel, but ultegra looks so good in the spec table 😂
Ultegra is great but the point was to compare the two Magnumlite reels. Ultegra is a Coresolid reel so not designed to be lightweight with low start up inertia
Hi, is there any news of replacement for the Stradic FL this year ?
Won’t know until iCast if anything is in the works. Typically reels get revamped every 4-5 years on average so it may be close to being done over
after 1 year of vanford i kinda regret buying it. I do long cast 100 yards and the vanford is weak when handling the shock whenever i cast 100+ yards the vanford wiggles and i notice some parts of vanford are made out of plastic. But the Stradic is a solid reel and i've been using it for 2years and still feels like original.
I just got a 2500 Miravel . Putting 17lb Power Pro on it. I can't believe that they have plastic parts on this reel for that price.
Walked out to the cannel in the backyard. The first fish ( catfish) destroyed the reel.
I'm sticking with Penn spinfisher's
What the good shimano Nasci FC5000XG or shimano Miravel C5000xg by your experience use and what the issue you see at both
Both basically spec out the same except for the material of the rotor making the Miravel a lighter reel with lower start up inertia. The only downside for me is if you fish Saltwater, not having Sealed bearings can shorten the lifespan of the reel if not properly maintained. That is the biggest difference between Nasci / Miravel and going up one to Ultegra. Anti rust bearings vs sealed anti rust bearings
@JPDeRoseOutdoors thanks for replying i will used this miravel for saltwater fishing ( you means the Nasci it have better ball-bearin for saltwater but i care alot for my reels maintenance by my self from oil and grease cleaning and it after every time use as the shimano websites tell clean by sweet water than dry and i do oil and grease every 3 months
Miravel also does not have a line roller bearing. So be mindful if you are looking to cast far.
How does not having a line roller bearing affect casting distance?
@@TTangOutdoors I think he's thinking about long stroke spool lol, You're correct line roller wouldn't affect casting at all it'll only affect your retrieve sensitive, smoothness etc. Either way these are all great reels!
@@sLaPj4 love the long stroke spool. Long and slow, even lay lol
Not sure that line roller bearing affects anything with you casting distance as the bail is open and the line roller never comes into play when casting. Are you referring to a different tech?
@@TTangOutdoors my bad I was thinking about the spool and that it doesn’t have a line roller bearing also brain fart
We need a Ultegra vs stradic video
Can do
What do u recommend for a 7ft rod? 2500 or 3000 thanks
Either will work, depends if you need the extra line capacity of the 3000 or prefer the T handle over the smaller handle of the 2500. They weigh the same and have the same spec typically so it becomes a matter of preference.
Either will do but the 3000 has more line capacity, stronger drag and the bigger handle. For freshwater the 2500 is fine but for bigger fish or Inshore I'd use the 3000.
Hello sir, 21 ultegra vs 22 miravel vs 19 spheros sw inshore?
I would go with Spheros for the water resistance and size range if you are fishing bigger fish. For reds and specks and other smaller species the Ultegra is a great reel
I recently just bought the Miravel based on this report and the recommendation of a Scheels Salesman. Not pleased, Why. when I went to crank the retreive on a slow pace the spool locked up and I could not power through it nor could I back it up without screwing the handle loose, If I start the retieve with power and speed it worked but I felt it was clunky. I remember my old Shimano, slow, fast or reverse direction it performed without fail.
The bails are not designed to trip by handle turn, I always close them manually, have been doing that for a long time. The older quick fire models used to tout that as a feature. Sorry you are not enjoying the Miravel, I have had nothing but good experiences with it but I am also keeping in mind it IS NOT a Vanford by any stretch of the imagination.
Vanford is excellent but Miravel is half the cost. My Miravel is great.
I’m aware that this is ridiculous but I’m hate the red on the Vanford, it looks tacky on most my rods!
A lot of people just love it. Matches great with the Zodias line up as well!
For a $130 you don’t get a one piece bail wire? That is a pass for me. You can get that feature on the PFlueger President at $60 lol. Shimano is a waste of money. You can buy Quantum, Lew’s and PFlueger and get better reels for less. I mean just look at the Lew’s Mach II. You get 10 shielded bearings, aluminum frame, forged aluminum gears, a one piece, think bail wire, a nicer knob it looks nicer and the 3000 size comes in at around 8oz. So it’s not too heavy. People don’t waste your money on Shimano.
I sell fishing tackle, and you cannot compare pflueger to shimano, shimano and daiwa make the best spinning reels by miles
@@joedennehy386 Diawa I do like but Shimano is over priced. And PFlueger is just as good. Just look at the Trion. You get a direct connect crank arm, 7BB, one piece bail wire, piston bail system, aluminum handle and a rubber knob. All for $40. Shimano and Diawa both don’t offer that until you by their $80 plus reels. I don’t get where this narrative came from that Shimano and Diawa are so much better. They aren’t, I have had more Shimano reels break on me than any other brand. They just suck. I would rather buy Quantum, Okuma, Lew’s and PFlueger anyway. Again, Diawa has some good stuff. But I think people over hype them too.
@@Tightt88I have probably fished with 10 pfluegers, 4 quantum, ten penns. And thirty shimanos and Daiwa small spinning reels. . I was the buyer for a chain of tackle shops. You cannot compare pluegers with shimano, and daiwa,even penn is quite superior. You wouldn't know son.
@@joedennehy386 lol, I call BS. PFlueger, Quantum and Lew’s are virtually as smooth as Diawa and Shimano because they are all made same South Korean and Chinese factories. So what you have to do is look at the features each company gives you and PFlueger, Lew’s and Quantum are giving a lot more features. Just watch my Shimano is Overrated and Over Prices Pt.1 & 2. I go into detail how Shimano is ripping their costumers off but Shimano fan boys defend them for some reason.
I beat the heck out of my Van for 3 years and it works great.
Still prefer the 21 ultegra
Over the Miravel, I agree. Those S-ARB bearings make a noticeable difference.
I paid $119 for my 5000 size Miravel. Sanford is $239? What the hell kind of "comparison" is this?
It's for people wondering what the tech differences are between the two very differently priced Magnumlite Shimano offerings and for them to decide if the extra tech is worth the spend.
Long stroke spool shimano is just a scam. Can anyone explain why?
Excense
That’s a good one!
Love my 17' Excense 3000MHG. I use it for all my Soft plastics.
forget miravel.. crap!! no beqarings in lineroller or handleknob... vanford overtaed..stradic fj is better ..vanford hans play every where.. go fopr the new ultegra its much smoother
Way too slow getting to the point.
I bought a new Miravel, was very loud grindy right out of the box, returned it for a lews. Heads up for viewers all of these shimano videos are sponsored which means none of the info can be trusted
Neither. I'll keep my 9 year old Shimano IX spinning reel. Paid $12 for it and still works fine after being used in saltwater.
Keep your old IX garbage and keep fishing