That was really great to see, Paul, particularly the last bit about the connections, cheers for that. I hope you will show how your patch bay rear is physically connected to your audio interface, etc., as well
Just what I was after. I'm upgrading my interface to an M-Audio 8x4 (2 outputs would be for my monitor, and the other 2 would be for outboard gear, through a patch bay)
Thanks Paul! Pinging for latency is super important in LPX! A Louder Than Liftoff Silver Bullet has made its way onto my master bus. I see Kempers everywhere... maybe I should demo one (finally). Keep up the great work on this channel.
Oh No!! I didn't know it was as easy as that to use outboard gear with Logic. Now I have no excuse... Damn! This channel is going to cost me as much as Christians!! Thank you Paul - that was really useful. It's always great to watch a video with a "well I know all this, but I will see what he has to say..." and then learn things you didn't know! *opens a new tab for eBay and starts browsing pedals and outboard effects units*
You know it makes sense!! some of those old Boss pedals are still incredibly good... the lime green one - Super Tube Screamer?? there must be hundreds of those on eBay!
Great! I literally just watched my first video of yours today, the video you released today on making samples sound bad, and then thought ‘I wonder if Paul does anything on using outboard?’ And there this was! Also if you haven’t seen them you should check out the Chase Bliss Audio pedals, they are simply amazing, especially the Thermae! Get one up on Christian haha
Hey Paul, nice to see. Those Distressor has a interesting way of mangling out the room in that drum loop. I/O works so smooth in Logic. Just wished Pro Tools had as easy integration. The similar I/O plugin doesn't work quite as it should for me. Maybe something you'll get into in part 2...
Thanks Corner - yes the Distressors are so versatile.. I'll do some quick tip videos on Protools - its an essential part of using music tech imho - there are still some things on Protools that are so much easier than on other DAWs - but I agree Logic has it nailed for the IO just for easily visible stuff!
You can set this up in ProTools, in the IO page you have to declare your inserts via the insert page and then you can select I/O from the insert options on a channel within protools, you can even have things pre-named for you. Works like a charm
Great Video, thanks for sharing! I saw that you have one of these SSD-Hub-Rack's, maybe you could talk a little bit about that in one of your next Videos, would be awesome!
Great video Paul! The patchbay part, I think, could benefit a little more from some examples of the "theory" i practice - it felt, compared to the 12 minutes of outboard demonstration before, sort of rushed...
Haha.. funny story on the distressors - I ordered one and they sent me two by mistake - stupidly I cabled them both in to see what it sounded like in stereo - and ended up buying the second one! argh
Thanks for another great video. One question I hope you can shed some light on: What about impedance when using guitar effects pedal? Do they react ok to a normal line level audio signal, or do you need to convert it to the high impedance I think they expect to see?
I wired my last studio with a nice patchbay thinking I'd end up moving this direction, and ended up migrating the other direction. I just never felt like the hassle of routing out and in and printing and yada yada, plus the cost of the gear itself could "beat" the exact same sets of processes I could do in the box. Especially these days with wealth of modeling options (I just got the Slate VRS8 and ML-2 mics, after having owned an ML-1 for a couple years... it's ridiculous.). Plus, then I have the ability to automate those effects, and easily go back later in the production and adjust. I do understand the "science experiment" part of it though... and miss it a little. Plus flashing lights are cool. ;) Anyone in the US need a nice 1U 48 pt long frame patchbay? It's punch block... NO SOLDERING!
Love it Christian, but the patch bay stuff is a bit confusing for luddites like me who look at it like it's a Rubik's Cube. Would you consider doing a beginners guide to using a patch bay? Right now I just use a Pigtronix Keymaster for simple outboard processing and sampling but would love to eventually move up to a bay. Thanks
Yes, given that you're going from your pedal to your amp. If you're going from your pedal to your interface directly and then use amp sims, then there's no reason why you would reamp.
Yesssss. Thank you so much, Paul. My one question relates to the guitar pedals. Specifically, are they all wired into the ART clean box, which is then wired to one stereo in/out in the patchbay? Or does each one have its own in/out on the patchbay, and they each have their own ART box? Or am I misunderstanding entirely?
Hi Dan - its simpler - I just have that Art box wired to the patchbay like any other unit - then if I want to use it on any effect I simply cable it in via the patchbay - so from IO output to Art in, Art out to pedal in, pedal out to IO in.
Please could you explain about the step up and step down of audio levels, to move in and out of the box ? Do you work at -18rms levels throughout the mix, or use gain plugins to drop levels when patching in the analog equipment to the daw please ? Digital dbfs levels are too hot for analog equipment to handle
Excellent video, Paul, thank you! What is the patchbay you have please? Been looking at the Samson S patch plus. Also what's your thoughts on the Overstayer Saturator? Sounds great but not many demos out there. Cheers.
Thanks Arron! My patch bay was bespoke 48TT made by Studio Creations. I love the Saturator - I'll make a note to go into that in more detail in a future video!
I love using a Supro amp for reamping, the spring reverb in that thing sounds good on everything. I would be interested to hear what you make of the Helix Paul. Is it part of your outboard, or are you just trialing it out?
Hi Sam - I've just bought the Helix so I'm still working my way through it to find what I like - I'll do a future vid on that one! Its got to get plugged in over the next few weeks. So far I'm loving the delays and compressors in it - nice sound and a bit different from anything else I've got
Paul Thomson Thanks Paul, that would be great! I’m thinking about getting one for the routing possibilities. Mixing guitar hardware with the onboard stuff; but as you have some really nice guitar processing options already, it’ll be interesting to see what you make of it, and how it ends up in your workflow. Maybe a cool secondary use as a floor controller for Spitfire libraries?
Wow what a great video! I monitor through a headphone quarter inch and I have stereo out trs on the back of my apollo solo as well as stereo hybrid inputs (Trs or XLR). Provided I don’t connect monitors I can still perform this type of outboard mixing, correct? Also, after using the I/O plug in how do you print the changes you tweaked on the hardware unit?
Just starting to get into outboard gear and recently picked up the same EL8XS and 5500. Any experience with Neve's new 5057? Thanks for the inspiring demo!
Very good video, thanks! I have a couple of questions: 1) Why did you use two distressors but just one 1176? 2) Do you have any issues with background noise (hum/hiss etc) coming from your units? I like using my Warm Audio EQP-WA's for mastering but I always encounter that problem.
Hello Paul, thanks for your video. One question... Do you convert the line level signal form your Apogee into a guitar signal (unbalanced - High Impedance) before the Strymon units? Thanks in advance.
Hi Paul, great video. I was wondering, would you say that having a patch bay is necessary for someone who only has a few outboard gear items, say 1 compressor, 1 EQ and an audio interface. Can this all be done just through an interface with lots of inputs?
Thank you, Paul. Building the courage to hook up my patch bay, but this helps! Do you use stereo cables (e.g. for synths) into your patchbay, or is it better to use individual mono cables for L and R?
What is your reasoning for using 2 distressors? How do you have the kemper and Axe fx hooked up into the patch bay? Also lastly, how do I hook this up over all into my interface? OUT Interface IN Patchbay, Back IN to interface? Sorry, I'm new to outboard studio things
My question is (and I haven’t tried this yet) if you are going into the outboard gear w The I/o and you want to come back on a different track to mix the dry w the wet (as you mentioned) how would you do that? I understand the concept but I always end up getting a feedback loop whenever I try this! Haha
I'm terrible at finding easy ways to do things in Logic so I either buss it off or just bounce to audio and drag to a new track! Usually every time I sit with Christian and watch him do something I pick up 10 new tips lol
I still don't understand how a patch-bay connects. I have an Apogee Ensemble Thunderbolt, and it has 2 send/returns on ch 1 & 2. How do I patch in external effects on multiple channels? Does the patch bay connect through ADAT or Optical to have a lot of I/O? Or is it just that you use 2 inserts and everything chains through those?
Near Impossible. I'm exhausted now. Damn, I wish I had gone for football. Get your boots, your bloody ball and you're done. Music sucks your buck so badly. ;-(
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Actually this video is very good, because of all the info you give. Very amazing outboard gear collection you have.
Best patchbay explanation I've ever seen, many thanks.
That was really great to see, Paul, particularly the last bit about the connections, cheers for that. I hope you will show how your patch bay rear is physically connected to your audio interface, etc., as well
Will do that in Part 2! Thanks Marco!
@@PaulThomsonMusic thank you, Paul, looking forward to that
Thank you Paul, I had never realised the i/o plug in existed will use it to improve my workflow.
Good to hear MrH!
Just what I was after. I'm upgrading my interface to an M-Audio 8x4 (2 outputs would be for my monitor, and the other 2 would be for outboard gear, through a patch bay)
Thank you Paul for these very informative videos, always appreciated! This is why I love your company and will keep support it!
Yes!! I’ve been wanting to learn about this for a while! Just watching now, thanks Paul 🙏🏼
Thanks Tom!
Thanks Paul! Pinging for latency is super important in LPX! A Louder Than Liftoff Silver Bullet has made its way onto my master bus. I see Kempers everywhere... maybe I should demo one (finally). Keep up the great work on this channel.
Thanks Daniel! Yes try out the Kemper - so good.. and you can profile your own favourite amp chains and save them for future use!
Great idea for a video. I'm about to wire in my entire Guitar Pedal board so thank you very much for this!
Great Luke! It will open up a whole new world of creativity for you!
Wow this made it so easy. Thank you! Just need some outboard gear now 😂
It’s a slippery slope!
Oh No!! I didn't know it was as easy as that to use outboard gear with Logic. Now I have no excuse... Damn! This channel is going to cost me as much as Christians!!
Thank you Paul - that was really useful. It's always great to watch a video with a "well I know all this, but I will see what he has to say..." and then learn things you didn't know!
*opens a new tab for eBay and starts browsing pedals and outboard effects units*
You know it makes sense!! some of those old Boss pedals are still incredibly good... the lime green one - Super Tube Screamer?? there must be hundreds of those on eBay!
Wow. That was a great and detailed video. Thanks much!
Great! I literally just watched my first video of yours today, the video you released today on making samples sound bad, and then thought ‘I wonder if Paul does anything on using outboard?’ And there this was! Also if you haven’t seen them you should check out the Chase Bliss Audio pedals, they are simply amazing, especially the Thermae! Get one up on Christian haha
Thanks Benjamin! Ooh just checked that Thermal out.. its on the list!
Great video Paul, thanks
Hey Paul, nice to see. Those Distressor has a interesting way of mangling out the room in that drum loop.
I/O works so smooth in Logic. Just wished Pro Tools had as easy integration. The similar I/O plugin doesn't work quite as it should for me. Maybe something you'll get into in part 2...
Thanks Corner - yes the Distressors are so versatile.. I'll do some quick tip videos on Protools - its an essential part of using music tech imho - there are still some things on Protools that are so much easier than on other DAWs - but I agree Logic has it nailed for the IO just for easily visible stuff!
Hey Paul, lovely and many thanks. Looking forward!
You can set this up in ProTools, in the IO page you have to declare your inserts via the insert page and then you can select I/O from the insert options on a channel within protools, you can even have things pre-named for you. Works like a charm
@@amnesiasoundsRight! That might be it, maybe i'm missing the I/O settings. Must look that up. Thanks!
Great Video, thanks for sharing! I saw that you have one of these SSD-Hub-Rack's, maybe you could talk a little bit about that in one of your next Videos, would be awesome!
Thanks Azuma - will do - its on the list!
Great!!
Great video Paul! The patchbay part, I think, could benefit a little more from some examples of the "theory" i practice - it felt, compared to the 12 minutes of outboard demonstration before, sort of rushed...
Will do Thomas, I'll do a video on ideas for how to actually lay it out. Thanks!
Man that SSL slammed sounds hot! 🔥 and Distressor! I really need a distressor!!!
Haha.. funny story on the distressors - I ordered one and they sent me two by mistake - stupidly I cabled them both in to see what it sounded like in stereo - and ended up buying the second one! argh
Paul Thomson it was all part of the salespeople’s devious plan! Haha
Thanks for another great video. One question I hope you can shed some light on: What about impedance when using guitar effects pedal? Do they react ok to a normal line level audio signal, or do you need to convert it to the high impedance I think they expect to see?
I wired my last studio with a nice patchbay thinking I'd end up moving this direction, and ended up migrating the other direction. I just never felt like the hassle of routing out and in and printing and yada yada, plus the cost of the gear itself could "beat" the exact same sets of processes I could do in the box. Especially these days with wealth of modeling options (I just got the Slate VRS8 and ML-2 mics, after having owned an ML-1 for a couple years... it's ridiculous.). Plus, then I have the ability to automate those effects, and easily go back later in the production and adjust.
I do understand the "science experiment" part of it though... and miss it a little. Plus flashing lights are cool. ;)
Anyone in the US need a nice 1U 48 pt long frame patchbay? It's punch block... NO SOLDERING!
Love it Christian, but the patch bay stuff is a bit confusing for luddites like me who look at it like it's a Rubik's Cube. Would you consider doing a beginners guide to using a patch bay? Right now I just use a Pigtronix Keymaster for simple outboard processing and sampling but would love to eventually move up to a bay. Thanks
thank, it was a great video, so many value data, can you put for downloading the diagram of the patchbay, shown in the end? thanks again
Yes will do - check back in 24h and there should be a link in the video description!
Great video
Great video!!
Paul, do I need a reamp box to use my guitar pedal as outboard gear?
Yes, given that you're going from your pedal to your amp. If you're going from your pedal to your interface directly and then use amp sims, then there's no reason why you would reamp.
Very very helpful Thank you - Paul TJ O'Neill
Glad it was useful!
Yesssss. Thank you so much, Paul. My one question relates to the guitar pedals. Specifically, are they all wired into the ART clean box, which is then wired to one stereo in/out in the patchbay? Or does each one have its own in/out on the patchbay, and they each have their own ART box? Or am I misunderstanding entirely?
Hi Dan - its simpler - I just have that Art box wired to the patchbay like any other unit - then if I want to use it on any effect I simply cable it in via the patchbay - so from IO output to Art in, Art out to pedal in, pedal out to IO in.
See below!
Please could you explain about the step up and step down of audio levels, to move in and out of the box ? Do you work at -18rms levels throughout the mix, or use gain plugins to drop levels when patching in the analog equipment to the daw please ? Digital dbfs levels are too hot for analog equipment to handle
Excellent video, Paul, thank you! What is the patchbay you have please? Been looking at the Samson S patch plus. Also what's your thoughts on the Overstayer Saturator? Sounds great but not many demos out there. Cheers.
Thanks Arron! My patch bay was bespoke 48TT made by Studio Creations. I love the Saturator - I'll make a note to go into that in more detail in a future video!
@@PaulThomsonMusic thanks for the swift reply. Looking forward to your future videos
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Hey I’m trying to figure out why I’m unable to use all 3 of my outboard gear in PT at the same time as insert?
I love using a Supro amp for reamping, the spring reverb in that thing sounds good on everything.
I would be interested to hear what you make of the Helix Paul. Is it part of your outboard, or are you just trialing it out?
Hi Sam - I've just bought the Helix so I'm still working my way through it to find what I like - I'll do a future vid on that one! Its got to get plugged in over the next few weeks. So far I'm loving the delays and compressors in it - nice sound and a bit different from anything else I've got
Paul Thomson Thanks Paul, that would be great! I’m thinking about getting one for the routing possibilities. Mixing guitar hardware with the onboard stuff; but as you have some really nice guitar processing options already, it’ll be interesting to see what you make of it, and how it ends up in your workflow. Maybe a cool secondary use as a floor controller for Spitfire libraries?
Wow what a great video! I monitor through a headphone quarter inch and I have stereo out trs on the back of my apollo solo as well as stereo hybrid inputs (Trs or XLR). Provided I don’t connect monitors I can still perform this type of outboard mixing, correct? Also, after using the I/O plug in how do you print the changes you tweaked on the hardware unit?
Just starting to get into outboard gear and recently picked up the same EL8XS and 5500. Any experience with Neve's new 5057? Thanks for the inspiring demo!
Very good video, thanks! I have a couple of questions: 1) Why did you use two distressors but just one 1176? 2) Do you have any issues with background noise (hum/hiss etc) coming from your units? I like using my Warm Audio EQP-WA's for mastering but I always encounter that problem.
Amazing video Paul! So are you using the Art Clean pro as a reamp tool?
Great videos do you make, but. You should take some low end out of your voice, that will make you a lot better understandeble
Hello Paul, thanks for your video. One question... Do you convert the line level signal form your Apogee into a guitar signal (unbalanced - High Impedance) before the Strymon units? Thanks in advance.
Need help! When i export im not hearing the effects from hardware. Im using fx2000 behringer in my daw fl studio.
Hi Paul, great video. I was wondering, would you say that having a patch bay is necessary for someone who only has a few outboard gear items, say 1 compressor, 1 EQ and an audio interface. Can this all be done just through an interface with lots of inputs?
Thank you, Paul. Building the courage to hook up my patch bay, but this helps! Do you use stereo cables (e.g. for synths) into your patchbay, or is it better to use individual mono cables for L and R?
What is your reasoning for using 2 distressors? How do you have the kemper and Axe fx hooked up into the patch bay? Also lastly, how do I hook this up over all into my interface? OUT Interface IN Patchbay, Back IN to interface? Sorry, I'm new to outboard studio things
My question is (and I haven’t tried this yet) if you are going into the outboard gear w The I/o and you want to come back on a different track to mix the dry w the wet (as you mentioned) how would you do that? I understand the concept but I always end up getting a feedback loop whenever I try this! Haha
Adam Adams thanks man I’ll try that!
Great tip Adam! I hadn't seen that!
Paul Thomson how do you do it Paul?
I'm terrible at finding easy ways to do things in Logic so I either buss it off or just bounce to audio and drag to a new track! Usually every time I sit with Christian and watch him do something I pick up 10 new tips lol
Paul Thomson I’m the same way haha!
I still don't understand how a patch-bay connects. I have an Apogee Ensemble Thunderbolt, and it has 2 send/returns on ch 1 & 2. How do I patch in external effects on multiple channels? Does the patch bay connect through ADAT or Optical to have a lot of I/O? Or is it just that you use 2 inserts and everything chains through those?
Can I use ext mixer, if i got few i/o in my audiointerface? Would it be too noisy?
HOW do you power your pedal boards?
ehrenmann!
think you got enough low end on the talk vocal, bubba
Near Impossible. I'm exhausted now. Damn, I wish I had gone for football. Get your boots, your bloody ball and you're done. Music sucks your buck so badly. ;-(
So true but... soccer just as bad....!!!