I think best you could do is finding an adapter for PCIe with already included power lines for separate power brick, and make the pc in a way the gpu card gets out from the case in transversal position while combining with i9 9900T. I would like to see how it would perform in that way
This is basically the same as the Lenovo M720q/M920x pcs! they all feature a 8x slot, which is very rad in my opinion. Also this can be noticed by the Lenovo OEM logo on the PCB, nice >:] BTW the Lenovo ones are pretty inexpensive so anyone could recreate this!
The CPU seems to be giving way for the GPU to use up all the powerbudget. Notice the cpu racing to reach 800mhz a large portion of the time. I suggest that you try to run Throttlestop to force the CPU to clock higher and or increase its TDP limits which might be artificially limited by the motherboard since it detects a 70w GPU in the main pcie slot.
3:53 Taking a look at the 8500T datasheet, It only has 16 PCIe 3.0 lanes which can be either 1x16, 2x8 or 1x8+2x4. This motherboard is probably configured for the latter with a possible configuration where that SSD2 section is populated by another NVME slot which can operate at x4. Though the B360 controller in this board also offers 11 more PCIe 3.0 lanes. 12:32 Considering the extra height added by the A2000 shroud, it looks like there's plenty of space for the 2.5 SSD to go in there over the CPU heatsink.
Thanks for your information. About adding 2.5 SSD into the extra space, I also considered. The difficulty is I might need another longer SATA flex cable to route from under the GPU which is not easy to find. Moreover, the space above the cpu shroud, especially near the rear exhaust, has high temperature. Thus I thought it wouldn't worth it. Just use an M2 SSD with suitable amount of space, and use external SSD via USB 3.0 if needed is good enough and more simple.
The problem is not the space itself but getting a specific flex cable that both sends power and data. Lenovo has their own one used here and it is very short
@@Karti200 That's just a regular flex cable which combines SATA and the smaller SATA power into a cable which terminates into a regular SATA one on the other side. Those are common on laptops. when you don't want a round cable and a vertical connector on the board. Some adapters even have a removable flex on the drive side so you can procure a longer one just in case.
That sounds like a fantastic mini pc to for lan parties at friend's houses with the smaller power brick (Lenovo has a middle ground between 135W and 300W, 180W)
Sadly, since lenovo has locked the bios pretty hard on this model, you cannot enable resizeable BAR or above 4g decoding, so any intel arc cards are out of the picture.
NECs are pretty cool, I think they are actually just rebadged Lenovos but beige instead. Now if they made rebadged Thinkpad in beige, I am drooling already
Hi! I'm making a very similar project but the STL files you shared are SLIGHTLY too short (like by 1cm) - could you please share the originals with us, so I can edit them myself? Thank you!!!
Can you do an updated video after u install throttlestop and disabling the bd protocol. I want to see how much better the a2000 performs. This is an ideal future upgrade path for me from a T1000. Thanks
One thing about the HP mini PC. If it's the AMD version, the CPU is one of a very few that use thermal paste instead of solder under the IHS. All you have to do is carefully cut the rubber adhesive and warm the IHS up a bit to delid it. I used some PTM7950 phase change pad on both sides of the IHS (using it as a shim, as the HP heatsink won't reach without it.) and it gets extremely cool and quiet.
I have done this with 2 P330's ( 8700T & 9700T ) Tiny's. Both have a GTX1070 8GB connected with a riser cable. They were just collecting dust haha. I'm also using a Dell DA-2 for external power ( 6+2). Zero issues with everything maxed out in Afterburner. The GPU is on a metal stand designed to go into PC case. The stand was 12$ and is all metal with magnets on the bottom. I'm considering mounting both PC's ( one on each side ) of an open-air vertical mount test bench. The one that is vertical and had a handle. They are like 30$ on Amazon. I use them for my testing and VM's. Sometimes I'll use the one to capture / record my 4K 60 Microscope Camera in OBS to take a load from my desktop. These are awesome and I had everything just laying around so why not tinker.
as i was watching you test fitting the gpu i was like "oh man if he would 3d print the top and back enclosure" my guy you delivered ❤ i love these mini PCs especially they're not so expensive like the newer ones and the CPUs are socketed I'd recommend you try the i7-8700t because I'm not sure if the board itself can handle the i9 because it doesn't consume 35w as it says on paper but more up to 70~80w either way, i loved the video and your work is great keep it up ❤❤
Thanks for the video! The specs alone will make this an excellent retrogaming machine! From my experience with Lenovo mini-PCs, the BIOS settings need a little tweeking to accommodate the speedy RAM and the addition of the GPU.
The Sparkle A310 ECO has a max draw of 50W and is actually low profile and doesn’t have a Chungus of a Heat shield Incase someone doesn’t want to mod the case with 3D printing
Sick modifications to the mini pc. Bit unfortunate with power limits, handicapping the a2000's performance. Have you considered other low profile gpu's?
@thinhdora Thanks. I wanted to ask you for it as well. I've got a m720q + T1000 gpu. This will be good if I want to upgrade the gpu in the future. P.s make sure u download and install throttlestop and disable bd protocol. I had the same performance issues as you until I figured it out. Cpu is only working at 800mhz with gpu install hence low performance. Once u disable it, it will run at full speeds. It's very easy to download and install
I actually have almost exactly the same build. I've got an old Optiplex 7010 SFF and an RTX A2000. Since the A2000 is a low profile card, it fits just perfectly, yet it also packs some power. It's my daily PC and I love it!
Thanks for your comment. I think it’s easy to outsourcing the 3D printing parts anywhere these days. It’s popular. I also really want a factory ship mini PC compatible with the RTX A2000. Honestly, homemade 3D printing is just a workaround. Can’t beat factory production. BTW, I did some improvement in performance for this pc in my latest video. Check it out.
Just a few weeks ago, I decided to buy a 1lt Mini PC of this type. I chose a Refurbished HP Elitedesk 705 G5 with Ryzen 5 Pro 3400g at 65w. After 3 days the SSD I came with died and I had to buy another one, not to mention that as a precaution I also changed the RAM for a pair in Dual Channel in addition to changing the Thermal Paste for an Artic one. Fortunately, restoring the system was easy thanks to the HP Bios, which curiously is also its Achilles heel by not having any advanced configuration for either OC or UV. I highlight the latter due to temperature issues since it does heat up somewhat when the TDP exceeds 50w. I have been doing tests and removing the Cover, lowering the temperature by about 7-9°C which gives me a slight margin to handle a little more than 55w TDP and, therefore, a little more FPS. In performance, except for temperature, it is equal to the Stock R5 3400g Desktop, and Vega 11 still works for play in HD +30fps... Honestly, for the price I paid in total, which was about 240dlls with everything and the emergency extras, I consider myself well served. Thanks to your video I made the decision to cancel my project of installing an NVME egpu and it would be better keep playing at 30s HD and save up for a Mini ITX computer with a LP GCard. I am worried about investing more in the Elitedesk and not getting all the potential out of it (or other piece crash...) But your project looks awesome and i hope you can improve the performance very soon. Greetings... Thanks for the information and explanation...
Glad you enjoyed. I have a couple of HP mini pc too (Prodesk lineup) before I found this one and I love them too. Btw, if you have time, you can check the latest video. I managed to gain more performance with a simple app. Don’t need any further tweaking like overclock and undervolt.
Back in the days of the 1st gen Intel Atom, I paired an Atom 330 with (I think) a 9600GT, but there was a minimum CPU clock requirement, so I had to overclock the Atom to something like 2.2ghz in order to get it to boot, but it worked fairly well for the time period. I also experimented later using a discrete 9500 card (The GPU component of the Atom 330 was based on a GeForce 9500) and it did perform a bit better than the onboard graphics. Kind of the inverse of the clock speed problem you had here.
I also have that NEC computer and i have added a nvidia P620.. I love you 3D printed case extension. But just an idea. If you make it look like a mini IBM 5150, XT or AT... It would be really cool. Since the proportions after the extension is not too far off, the cream/beige color of the NEC is pretty close too. Thanks for the video
It is most definitely a Lenovo. I had 5 of the M720p and a P320 model. I still am a little miffed the RX6400 did not want to go in mine with the stock heatsink. I had the Quadro P620 and P600 versions. I am sure you can just order the Lenovo part numbers FRU 01AJ940 for the PCIe slot.
This is a very interesting build! I am curious about using the internal PCIe slot for Oculink for an eGPU instead of trying to graft on an internal GPU. Would that be an option? Perhaps have a very small PC power supply where you create the output for the existing PC as well as enough for the e-GPU and any PCIe power it wanted? I generally would agree with the ARC cards for value here although this might also let you run the A2000 at full speed. I'm looking at all these kinds of builds thinking of putting together a "Steam machine" for fun, but want the cost and effort to be minimal. So older CPUs, RAM, and GPUs are generally adequate but I'd really like it all wrapped up in an old Dell/Lenovo/whoever SFF case.
Really nice mode. I have the exact nec pc model and i wondered if the pcie slot can be used with a graphic card. Do u know if there any 1 slot graphic card that fit without moding the case?
If you don’t want to mod, pay attention to the IO bracket. Factory fit models I know are Nvidia P and T series, they share the same IO bracket, and they have dedicated bracket from Lenevo. Other single slot models like RX 6400 LP technically work too but I’m not sure if the general purposed bracket at 11:11 fits.
I will take a look at your keyword. BTW I managed to make it performs as it should without any further mod in my latest video. Check it out if you have time.
Lol, maybe room for GaN PSU inside on top of CPU side? Put AC power jack on back? Or DC DC supply? Possible option stack MosFETs in PCIe power circuit and shunt mod?
My opinion of the modded mini is that in it's current state, it works well as a compact workstation or office PC. It would also be good as a portable LAN gamer for E sports titles if it had a better CPU. (Clockspeed) The Current GPU is actually a workstation graphics card. It's drivers are optimized for CAD work. You could try loading regular Nvidia Drivers for the Gaming Card equivalent, or trying to find a 1 or duel slot gaming card. It's a CAD machine as it is.
Nice mini PC to bad is held back by the CPU limited wattage; because of this up grading it won't do much because of that limitation, it would be awesome if some how the UFFI Bios can be patch so it can be adjusted.
This is something people in America like myself would enjoy! You made a "face mask" for the case, modifying how it looks and it looks amazing! Like having a Japanese car have an American engine in it, there's something different about it!
Lenovo M920x and P330 models would possibly come with dual NVMe slots and Quadro GPUs. Also you can have 65w processors if you get the copper heatsink that also has VRM thermal pads. I would highly recommend the 90w power supply. Or with GPU the 135w, 170w or 230w (Legion laptops or P series workstations came with these)
I have a P330 gen2 and ran my PCIe extension cable externally . This is so much cleaner . wish I could figure out how to build a 3D printed case for it.
This is awesome, I am thinking of getting an M720Q and using an RX 6400, get the lid of a P330 as it has the same mounting points and has the ventilation for both the CPU and GPU too. Would make for a living room sized Steam Machine.
Nice video! I noticed something about the CPU. Most of the time it runs at 805 Mhz. Only in FIFA it reaches 2.1 Ghz quite stable. Maybe you can try to update the bios to the latest version, or check if there's a power limit on the cpu.
This may sound crazy but hear me out. RTX 4060 low profile exists. Yes, it draws 50% more power than the A2000 BUT it's much more powerful than the A2000, close to double the performance. If you manage to undervolt it enough it should still deliver better performance that the undervolted A2000. 4060 is also half the price of a A2000 at least where I live.
Thanks very much for your tip. I love the 4060 LP too but unfortunately it costs as much as the A2000 here in Japan, and hard to find on the used market. BTW I managed to make it performs as it should in my latest video. Check it out if you have time.
Will have to try your model with mine P330 Tiny. It is literally M720Q / M920Q but with beefier cooler (whole cooper one) and 2x NVMe slots instead of one currently having i7-8700T and RX 6400 inside of it
I don't understand why the use of GPU is so low and also FPS, something is wrong with the setup, I'm not sure, but maybe the slot Pcie will be 1x or similiar, something in the bios and power supply
Yeah, apparently the motherboard is the week point when it comes to power delivery to the gpu. You have enough space to potentially put in a rtx 4060 low profile that takes 6 pin power, and maybe enough space to add one of those power supplies that use a charger with a brick (pixo atx) inside the case and use that to power the gpu. Maybe you can even figure out a way to power the motherboard off that too
You’re right. The MB limits the power aggressively. However it can be bypassed easily. Checkout my latest video, I managed to make it perform as it should.
great video i have the lenovo 920x tiny, wich have 2 nvme m.2 ports in the back and the pcie gpu card slot,, im gona get somenthing like the radeon rx 6400 LP or nvidia quadro p1000 LP. But im thinking in use some egpu adaptor to use a more powerfull card externally, do you know is the usbc ports in the lenovo tiny pc support tunderbolt 3? or the usbc expancion installed inthe back can be used for external gpu adapters, nice video
I have a m720q. I had the P1000 and upgraded it to a T1000. Similar performance to a 1650. You can also look at a T600. Also if u install a gpu make sure u download and install throttlestop and disable bd protocol. Otherwise bios limits cpu to 800mhz due to extra power required for gpu. Disabling it removes that limit. Also I don't think it supports Tb3. It's a usb3 port.
For the model in this video, the USB-c isn’t thunderbolt, just USB 3 interface. I’m not sure about the ThinkStation version. BTW I manage to make it performs as it should in my latest video. Check it out. You don’t need an external chunky card.
excellent project, I think you need to start building a habit of including dust filter holders in your prints, that way you are not consistently cleaning it. Sad the GPU support was lacking. Maybe a CPU upgrade? given the total 300w budget you now have, might be worth it?
I own the M910Q Intel 7th Gen, but i cannot see any PCIe slot on the board. Can you help me to find it out where it cloud be? do I need to solder something on it?
I can’t say for sure, but it looks the m910q doesn’t have the connector even the board has the available area. It might be a cut-down version of m920q. You might find a blank space where the slot should be.
Can't you use a "Riser Cable" instead of a "Riser Board" to keep the board and maybe a separate power supply external to the case? Should give you more room to cool everything off and maybe keep your SSD enclosure inside.
Thanks for your information. The power brick I use in the video is 300W model already so it's not the root cause. Btw I managed to make it perform as it should in the latest video. Check it out if you have time.
Thanks for your suggestion. Definitely they will. This model supports 50w GPUs out of the box, which are the Nvidia P cards. However I ‘d like to push this tiny box over the limit. Btw, I managed to make it work as it should in my latest video. Check it out if you have time.
I watched only this video. th-cam.com/video/5hComh1hFzY/w-d-xo.html It isn't a course, just an entrance tutorial to get familar with some basic terms like sketch, extrude, chamfer, ... Then expanding the skill by the official documentation. help.autodesk.com/view/fusion360/ENU The official documentation is easy to understand.
Thanks. As I guessed and as others have pointed out, it's just a Lenevo Tiny rebanded. So it's could be easiy found if you search for Lenovo Tiny instead.
I found this video very interesting 🤔 maybe you can add power to the VGA card using modding on pcie adapter. Add a step down from 20v to 12v and connect it on power line at 12 v of the adapter. In this mode you can get all power from gpu card bypassing the power controller of the mainboard
Temps arent as bad as i thought? i think the stuttering is just i5 problems. I get hiccups from my i5 3570 here and there. you can see it in some of my vids. thats a nice build tho. small but effective. like a rabbit? lol
Thank you very much for your suggestions and tips. I managed to make it performs as it should in my latest video. Check it out if you have time.
Mesh the entire side panel, try to make for as much airflow as possible.
Use Acer mini PC veriton n4640g, it have full size PCIe x16 on side body
I think best you could do is finding an adapter for PCIe with already included power lines for separate power brick, and make the pc in a way the gpu card gets out from the case in transversal position while combining with i9 9900T. I would like to see how it would perform in that way
@@freerideshuttle better to get i7 8700 (non T) and the copper HS from M920x or P330 Tiny
that stuttering is probably due to the single stick of ram if it was dual channel it would run smoother
love the jazz music with the mini pc build!
Glad you enjoyed!
What's the specific music@@thinhdora
I love too 😎
This is basically the same as the Lenovo M720q/M920x pcs! they all feature a 8x slot, which is very rad in my opinion. Also this can be noticed by the Lenovo OEM logo on the PCB, nice >:]
BTW the Lenovo ones are pretty inexpensive so anyone could recreate this!
Yes. I guess it has the same chassis with some Lenovo Tiny generations also.
Same as lenovo just white case,another brand and power button is different
I use this Case with a Tiny 910X and a i9-9900T yes its a old PC. 😅
@twisted have the m720q and m920x the pci x8 slot?
@@FilippoCarrux yes
This is the best mod so far that I've seen with these micro machines.
The CPU seems to be giving way for the GPU to use up all the powerbudget. Notice the cpu racing to reach 800mhz a large portion of the time. I suggest that you try to run Throttlestop to force the CPU to clock higher and or increase its TDP limits which might be artificially limited by the motherboard since it detects a 70w GPU in the main pcie slot.
Thanks very much for your info. I appreciate. I did some update. You can check out the latest video.
3:53 Taking a look at the 8500T datasheet, It only has 16 PCIe 3.0 lanes which can be either 1x16, 2x8 or 1x8+2x4. This motherboard is probably configured for the latter with a possible configuration where that SSD2 section is populated by another NVME slot which can operate at x4. Though the B360 controller in this board also offers 11 more PCIe 3.0 lanes.
12:32 Considering the extra height added by the A2000 shroud, it looks like there's plenty of space for the 2.5 SSD to go in there over the CPU heatsink.
Thanks for your information. About adding 2.5 SSD into the extra space, I also considered. The difficulty is I might need another longer SATA flex cable to route from under the GPU which is not easy to find. Moreover, the space above the cpu shroud, especially near the rear exhaust, has high temperature. Thus I thought it wouldn't worth it. Just use an M2 SSD with suitable amount of space, and use external SSD via USB 3.0 if needed is good enough and more simple.
The problem is not the space itself but getting a specific flex cable that both sends power and data.
Lenovo has their own one used here and it is very short
@@Karti200 That's just a regular flex cable which combines SATA and the smaller SATA power into a cable which terminates into a regular SATA one on the other side. Those are common on laptops. when you don't want a round cable and a vertical connector on the board. Some adapters even have a removable flex on the drive side so you can procure a longer one just in case.
An Arc A380 would be ideal for this setup. Especially with the 45w TDP.
That sounds like a fantastic mini pc to for lan parties at friend's houses with the smaller power brick (Lenovo has a middle ground between 135W and 300W, 180W)
@@llomellamomario Ya, the lenovo model with the i7-8700 would be a little monster of a machine!
Sadly, since lenovo has locked the bios pretty hard on this model, you cannot enable resizeable BAR or above 4g decoding, so any intel arc cards are out of the picture.
And the fact that it can be easily over clocked to 60w tdp too! It's a really practical little card.
Can the Lenovo M720Q processor be replaced with a non-T processor?
even though the gpu didn't work well this was such an awesome build! I loved the 3D printed expansion. So smart!
Thanks for your comment. I did some performance improvement. You can check out my latest video.
There's some third party cooler mods to help make the A2000 a single slot card too.
NECs are pretty cool, I think they are actually just rebadged Lenovos but beige instead.
Now if they made rebadged Thinkpad in beige, I am drooling already
Love your content! Especially on the Dell Precision lineups
Looks like a small retro console with the color combination. I like it. Great job :)
Hi! I'm making a very similar project but the STL files you shared are SLIGHTLY too short (like by 1cm) - could you please share the originals with us, so I can edit them myself? Thank you!!!
Sorry for my slow response. I already upload the Fusion 360 file at the Printable page. Could you check it again?
Can you do an updated video after u install throttlestop and disabling the bd protocol. I want to see how much better the a2000 performs. This is an ideal future upgrade path for me from a T1000. Thanks
Thanks for your comment. I did it. You can check out my latest video.
@@thinhdora Really glad u did it. Checking it out now!
One thing about the HP mini PC. If it's the AMD version, the CPU is one of a very few that use thermal paste instead of solder under the IHS. All you have to do is carefully cut the rubber adhesive and warm the IHS up a bit to delid it. I used some PTM7950 phase change pad on both sides of the IHS (using it as a shim, as the HP heatsink won't reach without it.) and it gets extremely cool and quiet.
I have done this with 2 P330's ( 8700T & 9700T ) Tiny's. Both have a GTX1070 8GB connected with a riser cable. They were just collecting dust haha. I'm also using a Dell DA-2 for external power ( 6+2). Zero issues with everything maxed out in Afterburner. The GPU is on a metal stand designed to go into PC case. The stand was 12$ and is all metal with magnets on the bottom. I'm considering mounting both PC's ( one on each side ) of an open-air vertical mount test bench. The one that is vertical and had a handle. They are like 30$ on Amazon. I use them for my testing and VM's. Sometimes I'll use the one to capture / record my 4K 60 Microscope Camera in OBS to take a load from my desktop. These are awesome and I had everything just laying around so why not tinker.
as i was watching you test fitting the gpu i was like "oh man if he would 3d print the top and back enclosure" my guy you delivered ❤
i love these mini PCs especially they're not so expensive like the newer ones and the CPUs are socketed I'd recommend you try the i7-8700t because I'm not sure if the board itself can handle the i9 because it doesn't consume 35w as it says on paper but more up to 70~80w
either way, i loved the video and your work is great keep it up ❤❤
Thanks for the video! The specs alone will make this an excellent retrogaming machine!
From my experience with Lenovo mini-PCs, the BIOS settings need a little tweeking to accommodate the speedy RAM and the addition of the GPU.
Your pc is missing the aux antena for the wifi card. The antena ends with a pice of plastic that's glued to the front metal frame.
Glad you recognize it. I recognize it too but could’t find additional connector. Anyway I feel there no performance lost with a single cord.
This is essentially a lenovo m720q with the same mother board, cool machines
this looks like an NEC rebadge of the ThinkStation M720q or similar model (could also be the other way around)
Because it only has 1 m.2, I think it's the m720q, not m920q
The Sparkle A310 ECO has a max draw of 50W and is actually low profile and doesn’t have a Chungus of a Heat shield Incase someone doesn’t want to mod the case with 3D printing
The 2 tone is cool as fuck.
This whole build is awesome.
This was a very comfy video.
Thank you.
Haha. It depends on each person's perspective. For me, the black cover with the white base is ugly af 😂
Sick modifications to the mini pc. Bit unfortunate with power limits, handicapping the a2000's performance. Have you considered other low profile gpu's?
I managed to make it performs as it should in my latest video. Check it out if you have time.
This is awesome. My work is off loading a bunch of these Lenovos. I planned on getting one and now i have a cool project to work on.
An arc a380 would probably be best
@@s0ld475these Lenovos doesnt have RE-BAR option in the bios , RX 6400 should be a better option
will you release the print files so we can do this at home?
Absolutely. Thanks for reminding. Please check the description, I’ve just included the download link for related files.
@thinhdora Thanks. I wanted to ask you for it as well. I've got a m720q + T1000 gpu. This will be good if I want to upgrade the gpu in the future. P.s make sure u download and install throttlestop and disable bd protocol. I had the same performance issues as you until I figured it out. Cpu is only working at 800mhz with gpu install hence low performance. Once u disable it, it will run at full speeds. It's very easy to download and install
I actually have almost exactly the same build. I've got an old Optiplex 7010 SFF and an RTX A2000. Since the A2000 is a low profile card, it fits just perfectly, yet it also packs some power. It's my daily PC and I love it!
You could put a mosquito net (black) on the exhaust of GPU... To protect that big hole... Insects will be drawn there when the power is of...
man that looks so cool.. would buy the plastic printed parts if you made them.. always wanted to have a name brand tiny PC with a RTX A2000..
Thanks for your comment. I think it’s easy to outsourcing the 3D printing parts anywhere these days. It’s popular. I also really want a factory ship mini PC compatible with the RTX A2000. Honestly, homemade 3D printing is just a workaround. Can’t beat factory production. BTW, I did some improvement in performance for this pc in my latest video. Check it out.
Just a few weeks ago, I decided to buy a 1lt Mini PC of this type. I chose a Refurbished HP Elitedesk 705 G5 with Ryzen 5 Pro 3400g at 65w. After 3 days the SSD I came with died and I had to buy another one, not to mention that as a precaution I also changed the RAM for a pair in Dual Channel in addition to changing the Thermal Paste for an Artic one.
Fortunately, restoring the system was easy thanks to the HP Bios, which curiously is also its Achilles heel by not having any advanced configuration for either OC or UV. I highlight the latter due to temperature issues since it does heat up somewhat when the TDP exceeds 50w.
I have been doing tests and removing the Cover, lowering the temperature by about 7-9°C which gives me a slight margin to handle a little more than 55w TDP and, therefore, a little more FPS.
In performance, except for temperature, it is equal to the Stock R5 3400g Desktop, and Vega 11 still works for play in HD +30fps...
Honestly, for the price I paid in total, which was about 240dlls with everything and the emergency extras, I consider myself well served.
Thanks to your video I made the decision to cancel my project of installing an NVME egpu and it would be better keep playing at 30s HD and save up for a Mini ITX computer with a LP GCard. I am worried about investing more in the Elitedesk and not getting all the potential out of it (or other piece crash...)
But your project looks awesome and i hope you can improve the performance very soon. Greetings...
Thanks for the information and explanation...
Glad you enjoyed. I have a couple of HP mini pc too (Prodesk lineup) before I found this one and I love them too. Btw, if you have time, you can check the latest video. I managed to gain more performance with a simple app. Don’t need any further tweaking like overclock and undervolt.
Maybe you could remove a hole for both fans so the GPU could run cooler, btw good job love the build!
Back in the days of the 1st gen Intel Atom, I paired an Atom 330 with (I think) a 9600GT, but there was a minimum CPU clock requirement, so I had to overclock the Atom to something like 2.2ghz in order to get it to boot, but it worked fairly well for the time period. I also experimented later using a discrete 9500 card (The GPU component of the Atom 330 was based on a GeForce 9500) and it did perform a bit better than the onboard graphics. Kind of the inverse of the clock speed problem you had here.
I also have that NEC computer and i have added a nvidia P620..
I love you 3D printed case extension. But just an idea. If you make it look like a mini IBM 5150, XT or AT... It would be really cool. Since the proportions after the extension is not too far off, the cream/beige color of the NEC is pretty close too.
Thanks for the video
It is not similar... it simply is a rebranded Lenovo Thinkcentre...
It is most definitely a Lenovo. I had 5 of the M720p and a P320 model. I still am a little miffed the RX6400 did not want to go in mine with the stock heatsink. I had the Quadro P620 and P600 versions. I am sure you can just order the Lenovo part numbers FRU 01AJ940 for the PCIe slot.
Wow, the more I watch the more I'm amazed.
This is a very interesting build! I am curious about using the internal PCIe slot for Oculink for an eGPU instead of trying to graft on an internal GPU. Would that be an option? Perhaps have a very small PC power supply where you create the output for the existing PC as well as enough for the e-GPU and any PCIe power it wanted? I generally would agree with the ARC cards for value here although this might also let you run the A2000 at full speed.
I'm looking at all these kinds of builds thinking of putting together a "Steam machine" for fun, but want the cost and effort to be minimal. So older CPUs, RAM, and GPUs are generally adequate but I'd really like it all wrapped up in an old Dell/Lenovo/whoever SFF case.
That is an interesting option! adapting that slot out to Oculink would definitely be possible.
Really nice mode. I have the exact nec pc model and i wondered if the pcie slot can be used with a graphic card. Do u know if there any 1 slot graphic card that fit without moding the case?
If you don’t want to mod, pay attention to the IO bracket. Factory fit models I know are Nvidia P and T series, they share the same IO bracket, and they have dedicated bracket from Lenevo. Other single slot models like RX 6400 LP technically work too but I’m not sure if the general purposed bracket at 11:11 fits.
Very cool indeed! My use case would be an OPNsense router/firewall by adding in a 4 port 2.5 Gbe NIC.
very enterprise grade hardware here, the brands usually are seen in production settings like restaurants and POS.
That’s true. The enterprise things attract me.
Best build ever!! Great video :))) Gotta try doing this one for one of our itty bitty setups. Maybe use an Arc a380?
The Board and case looks nearly identical to my Lenovo P340 Mini PC
Very interesting mini pc... Hmmm can you put in it something like qqls, qqlt, etc. with bios modification?
I will take a look at your keyword. BTW I managed to make it performs as it should without any further mod in my latest video. Check it out if you have time.
What an impressive job you did! I love it!
What's the name of the pc model?
It’s NEC Mate MC-3. But you can find a more popular model Lenovo M920q with the same chasis.
@@thinhdora thanks, i knew about the m920q, but didnt know about this one
Lol, maybe room for GaN PSU inside on top of CPU side? Put AC power jack on back? Or DC DC supply? Possible option stack MosFETs in PCIe power circuit and shunt mod?
My opinion of the modded mini is that in it's current state, it works well as a compact workstation or office PC.
It would also be good as a portable LAN gamer for E sports titles if it had a better CPU. (Clockspeed)
The Current GPU is actually a workstation graphics card. It's drivers are optimized for CAD work.
You could try loading regular Nvidia Drivers for the Gaming Card equivalent, or
trying to find a 1 or duel slot gaming card.
It's a CAD machine as it is.
Nice mini PC to bad is held back by the CPU limited wattage; because of this up grading it won't do much because of that limitation, it would be awesome if some how the UFFI Bios can be patch so it can be adjusted.
I managed to make it performs as it should in my latest video. Check it out if you have time.
This is something people in America like myself would enjoy! You made a "face mask" for the case, modifying how it looks and it looks amazing! Like having a Japanese car have an American engine in it, there's something different about it!
Lenovo M920x and P330 models would possibly come with dual NVMe slots and Quadro GPUs. Also you can have 65w processors if you get the copper heatsink that also has VRM thermal pads. I would highly recommend the 90w power supply. Or with GPU the 135w, 170w or 230w (Legion laptops or P series workstations came with these)
oh damn i wish i had a 3d printer you can do cool things like this with it
Maybe adding a secondary power input for the 12v rail for the pcie bridge (bypass the onboard supply) and have the option to crank the A2000!
I managed to make it performs as it should in my latest video. Check it out if you have time.
people have even done single slot mods on the a2000 to make it fit in the stock case!
I’d love to try too!
Perhaps a faster quad core like an 8100 with higher clocks may be better suited for games.
I love the jazz, great for watching at night
Glad you enjoyed!
Shocking it's exactly the same pc hardware as the Lenovo ThinkCentre... I had no idea of this relation
I have a P330 gen2 and ran my PCIe extension cable externally .
This is so much cleaner . wish I could figure out how to build a 3D printed case for it.
This is awesome, I am thinking of getting an M720Q and using an RX 6400, get the lid of a P330 as it has the same mounting points and has the ventilation for both the CPU and GPU too. Would make for a living room sized Steam Machine.
Nice idea. That would be a clean setup for living room.
Nice video!
I noticed something about the CPU. Most of the time it runs at 805 Mhz. Only in FIFA it reaches 2.1 Ghz quite stable.
Maybe you can try to update the bios to the latest version, or check if there's a power limit on the cpu.
I was going to use a Tesla P4 in my M720q but it wouldn't detect it sadly. worked with my rx6400 though.
This may sound crazy but hear me out. RTX 4060 low profile exists. Yes, it draws 50% more power than the A2000 BUT it's much more powerful than the A2000, close to double the performance. If you manage to undervolt it enough it should still deliver better performance that the undervolted A2000. 4060 is also half the price of a A2000 at least where I live.
Thanks very much for your tip. I love the 4060 LP too but unfortunately it costs as much as the A2000 here in Japan, and hard to find on the used market. BTW I managed to make it performs as it should in my latest video. Check it out if you have time.
4060 Low profile requires a power connector. The new RTX 3050 6GB doesn't. So that may be a better alternative.
As it is below 100W of consumption, you can add USBC power. This eliminates the need for the standard Lenovo power input.
Will have to try your model with mine P330 Tiny. It is literally M720Q / M920Q but with beefier cooler (whole cooper one) and 2x NVMe slots instead of one
currently having i7-8700T and RX 6400 inside of it
I managed to make it performs as it should in my latest video. Check it out if you have time.
I wanted this computer!
Hey, Lenovo Thinkcentre! Wow did you dyed your chassis?
For the plastic parts, yes. Just 3D print them. The original metal chasis is factory made.
why not taking advantge of changing the case by replacing the cpu cooler ?
Great video! I really enjoy thia type of video very much. Don't know what to recomend. Hope to see moee
Have you checked the power suply limit? maybe with more amps your gpu will get more usable wattage
I don't understand why the use of GPU is so low and also FPS, something is wrong with the setup, I'm not sure, but maybe the slot Pcie will be 1x or similiar, something in the bios and power supply
Thanks for asking. It's my mistake. Please checkout the next video for a better result (th-cam.com/video/_WNFpBrBnXk/w-d-xo.html)
Im usinga a rtx t1000 8gb ddr6.
You can use an i7 9700t and i9 9900t.
bro just did the ultimate diy steam machine
Yeah, apparently the motherboard is the week point when it comes to power delivery to the gpu. You have enough space to potentially put in a rtx 4060 low profile that takes 6 pin power, and maybe enough space to add one of those power supplies that use a charger with a brick (pixo atx) inside the case and use that to power the gpu. Maybe you can even figure out a way to power the motherboard off that too
You’re right. The MB limits the power aggressively. However it can be bypassed easily. Checkout my latest video, I managed to make it perform as it should.
great video i have the lenovo 920x tiny, wich have 2 nvme m.2 ports in the back and the pcie gpu card slot,, im gona get somenthing like the radeon rx 6400 LP or nvidia quadro p1000 LP.
But im thinking in use some egpu adaptor to use a more powerfull card externally, do you know is the usbc ports in the lenovo tiny pc support tunderbolt 3? or the usbc expancion installed inthe back can be used for external gpu adapters, nice video
I have a m720q. I had the P1000 and upgraded it to a T1000. Similar performance to a 1650. You can also look at a T600.
Also if u install a gpu make sure u download and install throttlestop and disable bd protocol. Otherwise bios limits cpu to 800mhz due to extra power required for gpu. Disabling it removes that limit.
Also I don't think it supports Tb3. It's a usb3 port.
@@ll_spud thanks very helpful
For the model in this video, the USB-c isn’t thunderbolt, just USB 3 interface. I’m not sure about the ThinkStation version. BTW I manage to make it performs as it should in my latest video. Check it out. You don’t need an external chunky card.
excellent project, I think you need to start building a habit of including dust filter holders in your prints, that way you are not consistently cleaning it.
Sad the GPU support was lacking. Maybe a CPU upgrade? given the total 300w budget you now have, might be worth it?
an 8700g in there (or 9700g that lets hope comes out sooner than later) would be perfect for a take along pc
Can you swap the cpu to the non-T?
Yes, u can, but keep in mind you should underclocking it or it will crash.
I will!
I own the M910Q Intel 7th Gen, but i cannot see any PCIe slot on the board. Can you help me to find it out where it cloud be? do I need to solder something on it?
I can’t say for sure, but it looks the m910q doesn’t have the connector even the board has the available area. It might be a cut-down version of m920q. You might find a blank space where the slot should be.
Can't you use a "Riser Cable" instead of a "Riser Board" to keep the board and maybe a separate power supply external to the case? Should give you more room to cool everything off and maybe keep your SSD enclosure inside.
Great Mod ! I have the same micro form factor Dell optiplex 3046, with Core i5 6500T but never opened it, Can we upgrade its specs ? please guide ?
Wait! Lenovo M720Q Tiny is that you?
Very cool project!
Was that someone snorring at 19:04 or am I crazy?
good mod . good life
BTW there is 90W changer from lenovo that will be powerfull enough to run the GPU at full speed,you should give it a try.
Thanks for your information. The power brick I use in the video is 300W model already so it's not the root cause. Btw I managed to make it perform as it should in the latest video. Check it out if you have time.
Why are changing the ssd for a hdd stay with the sdd with more storage space
Thanks for recognizing. It’s just a random swap. I don’t need much space for this mini pc.
would an rx 6400 or an arc a310 be a better fit? they're both tiny cards that only pull about 50 watts of power and they're single slot cards
Thanks for your suggestion. Definitely they will. This model supports 50w GPUs out of the box, which are the Nvidia P cards. However I ‘d like to push this tiny box over the limit. Btw, I managed to make it work as it should in my latest video. Check it out if you have time.
This was awesome, thank you!
Love this!! Do you have a recommended course for fusion 360 and 3d printing?
I watched only this video.
th-cam.com/video/5hComh1hFzY/w-d-xo.html
It isn't a course, just an entrance tutorial to get familar with some basic terms like sketch, extrude, chamfer, ...
Then expanding the skill by the official documentation.
help.autodesk.com/view/fusion360/ENU
The official documentation is easy to understand.
very interesting pc. In Germany you can't find anything about this nec pc.
Thanks. As I guessed and as others have pointed out, it's just a Lenevo Tiny rebanded. So it's could be easiy found if you search for Lenovo Tiny instead.
I think it would be better to use a single slot rx 6400 but its still looks so cool
i was thinkin why would you put a GPU on a CD-DVD DRIVE
4 port networking card, its the perfect Router
i luv these little Lenovo machines
I found this video very interesting 🤔
maybe you can add power to the VGA card using modding on pcie adapter.
Add a step down from 20v to 12v and connect it on power line at 12 v of the adapter.
In this mode you can get all power from gpu card bypassing the power controller of the mainboard
Lovely your effort into making these videos is amazing! the time you take to be sure verything is correct. Your chanel should get more attention!
I appreciate you support!
DELL Optiplex 7040 Micro??
Very cool build and video.
Temps arent as bad as i thought? i think the stuttering is just i5 problems. I get hiccups from my i5 3570 here and there. you can see it in some of my vids. thats a nice build tho. small but effective. like a rabbit? lol
Wow I have the same screwdriver by sunshine but be careful ive heard that the gears are made out of plastic
Why did they copy series 4 optiplexes?
4:14 me when skibiddy toilet comes on tv