@@acidieus 8MHz with rock solid MIDI timing. Did you know the first two tracks in Atari Cubase are priority tracks, which have higher priority for timing sensitive parts like drums?
@@dussie920 Hi, yes that's a good tip. When it comes to running a final mix off, I normally optimise the track, moving time critical parts to the top, freezing midi data etc. I havent had to do anything like that recently.. I'm just writing at the moment and see if I can come up with some new ideas :)
I actually have my ST modded to 16Mhz with 1 MB of memory. Yes this is an original 520ST. I used to use the 2 synths I owned to make MIDI music from sheet music. They are great machines. Even today they are a sold machine for music.
The same computer Kate Bush used for parts of hounds of love. I used one on my albums too. Very easy and cube base. Just on or off. Akai S3000 and tr808. Best set up I ever had. Everything else later got too complicated and took the fun out of writing tunes. Agree they have more memory and greater technical ability on later computers and sequencers but love the old days. Great tunes thanks.
I made my first MIDI act with those machine and a Roland soundcanvas sound module, plug with an oberheim matrix 6 as a midi out keyboard, my music teacher have all of this equipement in his classroom, most of us didn't have synth, but i get my first hardware synth and Roland groovebox because of this possibility, cubase on atari St was a royal way to make home studio music, in the late 80s and 90 s.
I ran my ATARI 4 MB STE rig (Steinberg Cubase 3, Steinberg Unitor, Creamware MO8 and Roland VS-880 EX) until 2000. I then switch to Apple iMac (Steinberg Cubase VST32, Yamaha UX256, Edirol sound card). The thing I really miss about the Atari set up was its operating system simplicity and MIDI timing (lack of latency). It just grooved! I found the timing to MIDI instruments and even MIDI timecode driving the VS-880EX (recording or playing back vocals etc.) really solid and locked-in.
When I put like 3 or 4 tracks in my Ableton on my quad core 3 Ghz 16 GB RAM machine, it starts to clip and generates sound errors. On this 8 Mhz with 1 or 2 MB of RAM, everything works like a charm with dozens of tracks.
Ableton seems to be very demanding. I tried it on my PC (i7 24 GB ram) and it was not what I was hoping for. The Atari is really just sending pulses out, and all the "hard work" is done by the attached hardware, although it is possible to push the hardware to it's knees when used in anger. But yes, the Atari works brilliantly. It's a very reliable setup :)
Remember no PCM sound are involved in the process MIDI was just keyboard data recorder only note and pitch bend data were record Midi cable can send and received 16 track of data in almost realtime, it was a rock solid protocole that can work with any synth, sampler, drum machine and computer that use it.
This almost makes me wish my folks had bought us an Atari ST rather than an Amiga 😀Joking aside, I'm really impressed with what you did here. I've always loved this tune and I am genuinely enjoying your take on it. I hope you'll upload more sometime.
with a midi interface, you could also use the Amiga as a full multitasking sequencer, enabling you for exemple to play samples on the Amiga's 4 voices while controlling the midi instruments. I used my expanded Amiga with Bar&Pipes software until 1999 and in those days it blew away everything that existed on other platforms.
@@acidieusAgree. I am too old for modern DAW. Cubase on Atari ST was so uncomplicated and organized. To be honest I was more creative during those times.
Yes the IPS is a great creative tool in Cubase! It's something I havent used in a long time.. maybe I will start using it again after all these years in 2022!! :D
Yes, the Atari ST is a very capable machine :) With the hardware you already have, I would suggest a sampler. The SC55 is one of the fist sound modules I ever used with an Atari. It has some very usable sounds for something like this! Definitely look at a sampler as well. It would work great alongside an SC55. I have put together some basic MIDI parts for Cubase v3.1 on the following page. You could program some of these in and see how it sounds with your existing hardware :) www.acidarbiter.com/atari/210-cubase-v3/remixes/21993-cafe-del-mar-midi-parts
@@acidieus oye me gustaria hacer musica electronica lo que mas me llamo la atencion son los sonidos que son ideales para hacer musica electronica como las canciones de atb better of alone etc mi idea es hacer musica que tanto necesito por que la verdad algo tiene que te hace sentir como aquellos tienpos crees ayudarme en pasarme links para descargar herramientas y que herramientas necesito
Ever wondered how the mega successful 80s and 90s project SNAP! by Luca Anzilotti and Michael Münzing got it's name? Look upper left below the 'close' button....
Just got got, repaired and refurbished a STacy, got a MIDI to USB cable to try to get a copy of Cubase to control my laptop DAW and hopefullly get my OP-1 to work as both a synth and controller. I also have an emu Orbit and an Emax II. I think I found a cracked Cubase 3 but have not tried it yet. The STacy has 4MB RAM. Any place / forum / community I can go for support with this or somewhere I can download tracks to try to get to play?
Great job on the STacey find and refurb! I use ST to trigger PC sometimes via MIDI. The audio hardware I have for PC has MIDI I/O, so I just use that. MIDI USB cable should do the trick as well. There's a good Atari ST forum with a section for music. Cubase is discussed there too ;) Cubase can load MIDI files into an arrangement. It would be a great place to start: www.atari-forum.com/viewforum.php?f=111
@@acidieus awsome. Yeah I found a NOS display and keyboard for it so the screen is nice and bright and all keys work. It’s got an external sd card hard drive and it’s all dialed in. I put Cubase 3 on it last night. Now I need to drag my Orbit and Emax II out of storage. For now I’d like to just find some midi tracks I can load in for testing and setup. All I have is the one that came with Cubase lite. I need some good ones like yours (hint hint 😆)! Actually in need your help setting up my Emax and teaching me how to make some non crappy tracks too. No matter how much equipment I have I still suck.
@@sideburn Thats amazing you were able to get NOS on those items. Thats a great machine you have!! Ok, no problem, I will try my best to help you, although Ive no experience with Emax II or Orbit. I can maybe point you in right direction, and help with Cubase too. Let me see how I can do this :)
@@acidieus cool. Ok. Well for starters I bought a midi to usb cable on Amazon and figured I’d try to get my op-1 keyboard to connect and maybe my MacBook Pro with ableton or logic ? Is there a way to email you from here ? Not sure how that works on TH-cam to avoid the spammerz…
Ok so let me see if I understand . Atari (the video game console company) start working with steinberg on cubase ? SO literally cubase is the legacy of atari ? 😳 Please someone explain me
The Atari ST was originally released with built in MIDI ports and became popular with musicians. Steinberg created Cubase, but had previously written other sequencers for Atari ST & C64. Both the Wiki pages are good resources :) en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atari#Atari_Corporation_(1984%E2%80%931996) en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steinberg
atari has a complex story, it had two divisions one for gaming arcade hardware and also game consoles, the other for computing. in late 70s they made the 400/800 series which were very advanced 8 bit computers, late the company was sold and jack tramiel of commodore bought atari, and in the middle of 80s they released their 16 bit computer, the 520ST and later various models based on same concepts. they were quite advanced for the time offering a good price/quality ratio for people in search of a personal computer to do different things like graphic, music, gaming etc etc.....PCs at time were quite expensive and not very "multimedia". Atari compared to other brands like commodore or amstrad decided to design 520ST with built in midi ports which allowed communication with music equipment, and this inspired many software companies to develop midi music apps on this platform, e.g. steinberg started with pro16 on c64 then evolved it on pro24 on atari st and later.....it become cubase, and many other companies like c lab or hybrid arts released some midi sequencer for the platform which become in few years the most popular choice for musicians needing an affordable music computer. at time still existed motu and other systems on apple mac, very expensive....or hardware based solutions like roland mc or yamaha, not versatile like computers, and there were also pro workstations like synclavier o audioframe, very very expensive....so atari st was really a good compromise beeing powerful, well documented, reliable, affordable, with a good choice of different music softwares for midi and scoring.
How do you like the jv1080 with the st? Im getting a atari pretty soon but the jv is my only multi timbral synth. How did you set it up? Sync the arps and stuff? Very curious to hear about your experience with the 1040 and Jv combo!
Hi, thanks for listening! I do have it, it was done on v2. What version of Cubase are you using? I'm going to write a blog post on this track and redo it in v3 now that it has finally been made available to all :)
@@acidieus Hi there great choon ! .. you mention that V3 is available to all now ..where do you get it from please ? ... still got my ST still doin tracks with it ! ..just upgraded to a gotek drive for it as well .... thanks Steve
@@2000stephenellis Hi, thanks for listening! :) Great to hear you are using an ST also. I've yet to get a Gotek, although it is on my list. Here is a link to a discussion about V3 www.atari-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=20130&start=200
Ha! I wish I had a Jupiter 8! The JP8 strings I use are waveforms on a Roland expansion board for the JV1080. I also use a Novation synth, and Akai & Yamaha samplers. They are all connected to the Atari via SMP24 and Midex+ :)
@@adev8565 Hi, the main strings on JV1080 I used on this are available on the Vintage Synths expansion board. JP8 Strings2 - www.synthmania.com/sr-jv80-04.htm
Most people can't make a track this good on their 4Ghz machine! This baby is 8Mhz!!! By the way - loved your remix!! It's awesome!
Haha! 8Mhz is good for me! :D Thanks for listening and for your comments
@@acidieus 8MHz with rock solid MIDI timing. Did you know the first two tracks in Atari Cubase are priority tracks, which have higher priority for timing sensitive parts like drums?
@@dussie920 Hi, yes that's a good tip. When it comes to running a final mix off, I normally optimise the track, moving time critical parts to the top, freezing midi data etc. I havent had to do anything like that recently.. I'm just writing at the moment and see if I can come up with some new ideas :)
I actually have my ST modded to 16Mhz with 1 MB of memory. Yes this is an original 520ST. I used to use the 2 synths I owned to make MIDI music from sheet music. They are great machines. Even today they are a sold machine for music.
Not quite much as it uses external synths?! so 8MHz is note quite accurate.
Lovely tunes...it brings me back to 90’s....
The 90''s seem like only yesterday! Thanks for listening! :)
It's really great what you can do with what is basically a MIDI sequencer with a GUI.
I have always been THOROUGHLY impressed by the true capacity for creation these old machines have. I started in MS-DOS.
The same computer Kate Bush used for parts of hounds of love. I used one on my albums too. Very easy and cube base. Just on or off. Akai S3000 and tr808. Best set up I ever had. Everything else later got too complicated and took the fun out of writing tunes. Agree they have more memory and greater technical ability on later computers and sequencers but love the old days. Great tunes thanks.
I made my first MIDI act with those machine and a Roland soundcanvas sound module, plug with an oberheim matrix 6 as a midi out keyboard, my music teacher have all of this equipement in his classroom, most of us didn't have synth, but i get my first hardware synth and Roland groovebox because of this possibility, cubase on atari St was a royal way to make home studio music, in the late 80s and 90 s.
The ST with a Roland SoundCanvas is what I used when studying music in the 90's. A great setup!!
LOVE IT! Ohh, how I miss working in Cubase on Atari, with all the Hardware equipment. Long time ago. Great video!
Thanks! It's so much fun using Cubase on Atari!
Genial, cuando esto si era autentica música, saludos.
I ran my ATARI 4 MB STE rig (Steinberg Cubase 3, Steinberg Unitor, Creamware MO8 and Roland VS-880 EX) until 2000. I then switch to Apple iMac (Steinberg Cubase VST32, Yamaha UX256, Edirol sound card). The thing I really miss about the Atari set up was its operating system simplicity and MIDI timing (lack of latency). It just grooved! I found the timing to MIDI instruments and even MIDI timecode driving the VS-880EX (recording or playing back vocals etc.) really solid and locked-in.
best midi timing ever
Hello, really nice !!
I didn't get what sound generator are you using here . I suppose Atari ST is just sequencing ( or not? )
thanks !! 🙂
This is fascinating and sounds so fresh. Would have loved to be a 90’s producer with all of the hardware equipment and Cubase Atari.
Hi, thanks for listening and the comments. The Atari is so much fun to use with 90's hardware. I would recommend it to everyone! :)
you can do it now without breaking the bank. it´s all still available and cheap.
My first music computer with Steinberg Pro.16 program. Top !!
Well done!! Love this tune!!
Thanks for listening :)
I love it! You're amazing, thank you for sharing! :)
When I put like 3 or 4 tracks in my Ableton on my quad core 3 Ghz 16 GB RAM machine, it starts to clip and generates sound errors. On this 8 Mhz with 1 or 2 MB of RAM, everything works like a charm with dozens of tracks.
Ableton seems to be very demanding. I tried it on my PC (i7 24 GB ram) and it was not what I was hoping for. The Atari is really just sending pulses out, and all the "hard work" is done by the attached hardware, although it is possible to push the hardware to it's knees when used in anger. But yes, the Atari works brilliantly. It's a very reliable setup :)
Remember no PCM sound are involved in the process MIDI was just keyboard data recorder only note and pitch bend data were record Midi cable can send and received 16 track of data in almost realtime, it was a rock solid protocole that can work with any synth, sampler, drum machine and computer that use it.
Clean. Lean. Awesome!!!
This almost makes me wish my folks had bought us an Atari ST rather than an Amiga 😀Joking aside, I'm really impressed with what you did here. I've always loved this tune and I am genuinely enjoying your take on it. I hope you'll upload more sometime.
with a midi interface, you could also use the Amiga as a full multitasking sequencer, enabling you for exemple to play samples on the Amiga's 4 voices while controlling the midi instruments. I used my expanded Amiga with Bar&Pipes software until 1999 and in those days it blew away everything that existed on other platforms.
@pumpum800 Yes but the midi.library on the Amiga had timing issues.
@@jimbotron70 I may have been lucky, but I've never had a problem like this.
@@pumpum800 It's a known issue, you can google it.
Really well done...
Hi, thanks for listening :)
buenísimo¡¡
Thanks for listening :)
Very impessive! Great to see and hear all that hardware in action.. Thx from a new subcriber!
Thanks for listening and subscribing! :)
This is really impressive
Thanks for listening and comment. Best to you and your music :)
Cubase was as great back then as it is today.
I love Cubase on the Atari. It allows for lots of creativity without any distractions :)
@@acidieusAgree. I am too old for modern DAW. Cubase on Atari ST was so uncomplicated and organized. To be honest I was more creative during those times.
Nice Mix
Yooo I love this!
Nice job!
Thanks for listening!
@acidieus Do you publish somewhere your MIDI/Cubase files ?
I used to like the IPS (Interactive Phrase Synthesizer) it was addictive.
Yes the IPS is a great creative tool in Cubase! It's something I havent used in a long time.. maybe I will start using it again after all these years in 2022!! :D
@@acidieus Go for it.
Nice one...
Thanks for listening! :)
👍
gold
Cheers!
AWESOME what is possible on an AtariST. Beside an AtariST and cubase, what is needed for this? I only have MT-32/CM-32L and SC55
Yes, the Atari ST is a very capable machine :) With the hardware you already have, I would suggest a sampler. The SC55 is one of the fist sound modules I ever used with an Atari. It has some very usable sounds for something like this! Definitely look at a sampler as well. It would work great alongside an SC55. I have put together some basic MIDI parts for Cubase v3.1 on the following page. You could program some of these in and see how it sounds with your existing hardware :)
www.acidarbiter.com/atari/210-cubase-v3/remixes/21993-cafe-del-mar-midi-parts
@@acidieus Thx!
Puedo usar esto em mi chiquitita, pueden decirme donde puedo encontrar los sonidos
Estoy usando Google Traductor. Los sonidos son del hardware Roland JV1080, Akai S5000 y Yamaha A5000 :)
@@acidieus oye me gustaria hacer musica electronica lo que mas me llamo la atencion son los sonidos que son ideales para hacer musica electronica como las canciones de atb better of alone etc mi idea es hacer musica que tanto necesito por que la verdad algo tiene que te hace sentir como aquellos tienpos crees ayudarme en pasarme links para descargar herramientas y que herramientas necesito
@@omarvarguez7845
¿Quieres usar Atari para escribir música o PC?
@@acidieusno se como explicar pero ntp dejalo asi jejeje
Ever wondered how the mega successful 80s and 90s project SNAP! by Luca Anzilotti and Michael Münzing got it's name? Look upper left below the 'close' button....
Yes, very true!! Im just glad they didnt call themselves "Quantize" :D
Just got got, repaired and refurbished a STacy, got a MIDI to USB cable to try to get a copy of Cubase to control my laptop DAW and hopefullly get my OP-1 to work as both a synth and controller. I also have an emu Orbit and an Emax II. I think I found a cracked Cubase 3 but have not tried it yet. The STacy has 4MB RAM. Any place / forum / community I can go for support with this or somewhere I can download tracks to try to get to play?
Great job on the STacey find and refurb! I use ST to trigger PC sometimes via MIDI. The audio hardware I have for PC has MIDI I/O, so I just use that. MIDI USB cable should do the trick as well. There's a good Atari ST forum with a section for music. Cubase is discussed there too ;) Cubase can load MIDI files into an arrangement. It would be a great place to start:
www.atari-forum.com/viewforum.php?f=111
@@acidieus awsome. Yeah I found a NOS display and keyboard for it so the screen is nice and bright and all keys work. It’s got an external sd card hard drive and it’s all dialed in. I put Cubase 3 on it last night. Now I need to drag my Orbit and Emax II out of storage. For now I’d like to just find some midi tracks I can load in for testing and setup. All I have is the one that came with Cubase lite. I need some good ones like yours (hint hint 😆)! Actually in need your help setting up my Emax and teaching me how to make some non crappy tracks too. No matter how much equipment I have I still suck.
@@sideburn Thats amazing you were able to get NOS on those items. Thats a great machine you have!! Ok, no problem, I will try my best to help you, although Ive no experience with Emax II or Orbit. I can maybe point you in right direction, and help with Cubase too. Let me see how I can do this :)
@@acidieus cool. Ok. Well for starters I bought a midi to usb cable on Amazon and figured I’d try to get my op-1 keyboard to connect and maybe my MacBook Pro with ableton or logic ? Is there a way to email you from here ? Not sure how that works on TH-cam to avoid the spammerz…
@@sideburn Check your inbox ;)
Ok so let me see if I understand . Atari (the video game console company) start working with steinberg on cubase ? SO literally cubase is the legacy of atari ? 😳 Please someone explain me
The Atari ST was originally released with built in MIDI ports and became popular with musicians. Steinberg created Cubase, but had previously written other sequencers for Atari ST & C64. Both the Wiki pages are good resources :)
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atari#Atari_Corporation_(1984%E2%80%931996)
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steinberg
atari has a complex story, it had two divisions one for gaming arcade hardware and also game consoles, the other for computing.
in late 70s they made the 400/800 series which were very advanced 8 bit computers, late the company was sold and jack tramiel of commodore bought atari, and in the middle of 80s they released their 16 bit computer, the 520ST and later various models based on same concepts.
they were quite advanced for the time offering a good price/quality ratio for people in search of a personal computer to do different things like graphic, music, gaming etc etc.....PCs at time were quite expensive and not very "multimedia".
Atari compared to other brands like commodore or amstrad decided to design 520ST with built in midi ports which allowed communication with music equipment, and this inspired many software companies to develop midi music apps on this platform, e.g. steinberg started with pro16 on c64 then evolved it on pro24 on atari st and later.....it become cubase, and many other companies like c lab or hybrid arts released some midi sequencer for the platform which become in few years the most popular choice for musicians needing an affordable music computer.
at time still existed motu and other systems on apple mac, very expensive....or hardware based solutions like roland mc or yamaha, not versatile like computers, and there were also pro workstations like synclavier o audioframe, very very expensive....so atari st was really a good compromise beeing powerful, well documented, reliable, affordable, with a good choice of different music softwares for midi and scoring.
@@kyma1999x Great answer!!
great job! ...whats your hardware configuration?
It's mostly Akai S5000 & S6000, Yamaha A5000 & Roland JV1080 with some expansion boards.
How do you like the jv1080 with the st? Im getting a atari pretty soon but the jv is my only multi timbral synth. How did you set it up? Sync the arps and stuff? Very curious to hear about your experience with the 1040 and Jv combo!
Analog forever
Thanks for listening and the subscribe!! :)
This is sick! Do you still have the original Cubase project file?
Hi, thanks for listening! I do have it, it was done on v2. What version of Cubase are you using? I'm going to write a blog post on this track and redo it in v3 now that it has finally been made available to all :)
@@acidieus Just v2 for ST on STeem with a midi output adapter on my PC
@@sbanner428 Cool, how does the midi out work for you when using Steem? I'll include v2 in the blog post with some v2 part files as well as v3
@@acidieus Hi there great choon ! .. you mention that V3 is available to all now ..where do you get it from please ? ... still got my ST still doin tracks with it ! ..just upgraded to a gotek drive for it as well .... thanks Steve
@@2000stephenellis Hi, thanks for listening! :) Great to hear you are using an ST also. I've yet to get a Gotek, although it is on my list. Here is a link to a discussion about V3 www.atari-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=20130&start=200
And you had all these synthesizers hooked up to the ATARI to record this? You have aJupiter 8?!?
Ha! I wish I had a Jupiter 8! The JP8 strings I use are waveforms on a Roland expansion board for the JV1080. I also use a Novation synth, and Akai & Yamaha samplers. They are all connected to the Atari via SMP24 and Midex+ :)
@@acidieus Which preset did you use on the JV-1080?
@@adev8565 Hi, the main strings on JV1080 I used on this are available on the Vintage Synths expansion board. JP8 Strings2 - www.synthmania.com/sr-jv80-04.htm
@@acidieus Thank you!
mp3 version for download?
You make this music with outboard synth's or sound modul, right?!
and this have sound integrated?
wait what
Thanks for listening :)
sound from what?
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