i'm italian u cant imagine the original old Primal release how much is dated and ancient..born primarily in 1917 that camo,modified in 1932,,still n service with Rsi die hard fascists in 1943-44-45,modified in 1961 in republican era,,remained in sertvice until 1989
Great video. I am amazed and pleased to see how effective it is. It still surprises me to see how 80 year old patterns like this and flecktarn are better then many more modern patterns. I am also glad to see how well it works because I have a one piece coverall in this pattern. It is very well made too.
Holy shit ! That stuff is REALLY effective!! ...Definitely one of my favorite patterns used by the Germans in WW2, especially when used in conjunction with “ Blurred Edge “ or “ 44 Dot “
Thanks for adding more historical information and commentary into these videos. I know I commented a few videos back how I'd like to see that happen. I'm glad my voice was heard. Thank you.
3:23 and elsewhere - working really well! Another great vid gentlemen. Thanks for putting all the gear on and going out into the heat - definitely worth it. Interesting pattern - it reminds me of M81 woodland minus the black...
Years ago i had just a jacket but gave it away to a friend whom is a avid collector. I am not but i like to wear camo when wildcamping. I remember it being very good in the winter where i live, lot's of dead brown shrubs. I always regreted i gave it away but as of today i found a jacket and trousers in my local army dump. It's an older version with a slighy more "open" patern and more pale colors. No stamps or markings to be found on the inside but with stars on the collar. I am happy to own one again. :))
The Italians knew what they were doing. Just had some bad leadership in WW2. Even then most units fought as best they could in the circumstances. Well over 300k of their men dead in the war.
Hi Brent, congrats for your work, I love and follow your channel. I must tell you that the pattern you showed in this video is, as you correctly said, the post WWII version: in fact the colors are brighter and the brown as a more rusty tone. But it is not the San Marco (Navy Infantry). The uniform you are wearing is the "Completo mimetico mod. 1960" and it was used in the Italian Army until mid 70's. After that it was replaced with a olive drab uniform such as in many other NATO countries. Paratroopers only continued to use a camo uniform with the same pattern but designed specifically for the paras (special pouches, padded elbows and knees, etc...). The colors of WWII telo tenda were darker and similar to ones of US woodland. As I said, The "SAN MARCO" Batallion (now Regiment) is the Italian Navy Infantry (Marines like you) and until 1992 used a camo overall. The navy pattern was a specific variant of Telo Tenda 1929: the shapes of spots were a bit different and the colors were thought for mediterranean coasts. The green was really greyish, the brown really rusty and the tan more yellowish. This camo and this overall was used by navy only. The uniform you are showing was used by all the branches of Italian Army. My father uesd this uniform too in 1967-1968. And I tell you another thing: your uniform was originally thought to be worn over the battle dress (after WWII Italy adopted a variant of British 1937 Battle Dress), but it was really really hot and during exercises, soldiers were allowed to wear it like a normal bdu. If you want some pics, links, infos or explanations, please send me a private message and I will be pleasant to give you all the stuff you want. I hope I've been helpful. Thank you. Bye.
Awesome man, I appreciate the first hand input. I couldn't find much information about this pattern so I always appreciate guys throwing in more history, clarification, etc.
I think it is a really effective pattern, specially under the trees where the sunlight make it work very good between the shadow / lighted areas. I think, that specially these larger colored areas make it good, because the contrast between the brown and tan areas is quite significant. I think though, that the brown color has too much of a red tone in it, ad with advantage could have been a bit more "pale" and ordinary brown so to say. (Like British Desert DPM eg. See videolink below.) I like these patterns with larger areas of the same color, specially if there are a good contrast between the different colors, so that the human shape really can be broken up, like in French CCE eg. I think, that all these new multicamo's blur up to look some sort of "Brown khaki" in a short distance, and therefore loose effectiveness. It looks good with all these colors fading in to each other and so in eg. Multicam, but I think, it works best for the salesman in the shop of all people. I never understood why the different armies not just faded their original woodland, DPM and what else they had all ready, that would have saved some royalty money to Crye Precision at least. I am not a soldier, and of cause one can need to be hiding from the enemy at very short distances, but modern warfare are in my understanding mostly not hand to hand "middle age distance" combat, but fought at about 20 - 50 meters at closest, and out to a couple of hundreds of meters for lightly armed infantry. Here things blend together to one "average" color, and all the cool printing effects from Multicam and equal patterns are no longer to be seen in detail at all. This happens of cause with camo patterns with larger "colorblocks" or areas in them too, but the distances are longer, before the effect of blurring everything in to one average "unicolor" dominates. My opinion that is, but here is a video of some Ukrainians testing different colors, to support what I argue about. They test from 50 to 200 meters I think I could hear( I understand a little bit Russian but........) They test American UCP, British DPM and Desert DPM, Flecktarn, British MTP and some hunter camouflage. In grass land, but take a look if you are curious guys, it is sometimes interesting to see things on longer distances too. (Not to criticize your videos Brent, you are doing an excellent job, but this is just a different angle. :o) ) Have a nice day everyone: th-cam.com/video/C-c6v6q3Fc4/w-d-xo.html
They're more effective, too; much more. Brent has tested a couple, here and there, but he seems to shy away from them for some reason. My recommendations: Realtree XTRA, XTRA Green, APS, and MAX-5. M2D by Made 2 Deceive is another good one, as are Kryptek patterns.
The reason for this is my channel is military oriented. My channel is not exclusively camouflage oriented. I've done a few videos on hunting patterns but I primarily focus on military oriented camouflage patterns. If you notice the format in which I present the patterns I'm always wearing gear and carrying a combat oriented weapon. I don't want to rule out the possibility of me doing more hunting patterns, but thus far in the few years I've been doing this, I have never really had a shortage of available military patterns from all over the world. To sum it up, I could do some more hunting patterns in the future, but its not my primary focus.
+Toguro The hunting camo brands that you described are great as long as one holds still, and they stay in the environment that the pattern was specifically made for. Realtree and Mossy Oak aren't so good when the wearer is moving, or when they're outside the environment that the pattern was made for.
In very flat light and close up it seems to me that macro patterns such as this one don't help, perhaps even making the subject more visible, particularly when the colouration does not suit the environment (e.g. 9:19). However, in situations of high contrast light and shade such as Bruce at 8:07 it seems to work well. However, while I understand why these videos show the subject at ranges of only 30 meters or so, my understanding is that camouflage uniforms were initially designed to be effective at the average late WWII infantry engagement range of 400 meters, and none of them are expected to work when the subject moves. I have an Italian 'zeltbahn' in this pattern, very distinctive. Another excellent macro pattern is post-war BGS Sumpftarn, and the jackets are extremely well made and actually load-bearing. Becoming scarce and expensive in Europe. Thank you for the interesting videos.
Actually, I've just remembered that the real San Marco camo is different. Some friends of mine have it and I'll try to give you a pic when I get their autorisation - maybe in PM directly to you. What I suspect happened is that the San Marco name passed in common use for this generation of italian camo, but the actual San Marco marine batallion has his own rather distinct pattern and colours.
Posted. And I still see, every now and then when I spot them, personnel from the "San Marco" and the "Lagunari" (the 2 marine batallions we have) wearing this pattern, pretty different from the other army/alpine units who seem to be running all the standard issue Vegetata. I'm not in the Army so i don't have reliable infos, but I feel that this is a distinction they're trying to keep between the land and the anfibious units: the fact that the San Marco -based in the southern Italy- depends from the Navy while the Lagunari -based in Venice and its lagoon- depend from the Army seems to validate this hypotesis.
I am finding the best patterns, this one included, work even when I know where you are, and you are moving. I find it hard to focus in on you even when walking.
Legio XXI Rapax I take it you are Italian? I just bought some vegatato because it looked like an amazing camouflage pattern and I hate wearing the same camo as my country's military. I also picked up flecktarn to wear since I find the design to be interesting also.
ive the top piece of that camo(i'm italian)works well in soft air,but could have been somethign of totally perfect if the creator and italian major state had added adverts on the 30-50% of the reddish and light faded green area
A "multi" version, replacing some (20%?) of the brown with a much darker brownish/purplish olive grey like RAL 6006 grey olive, and a bit less (10-15%?) with a lighter colour, like 7002 olive grey, and also maybe replace 10-15% of the yellow green with a "sandier" light beige (RAL 1000?), possibly using a dotted overlay pattern, might be interesting to see. To my eyes, the redness of the brown stands out a little too much, though it would be fine as is in autumn or in beech dominated forests. (And semiurban areas with red brick walls, for that matter.) "Multimimetico"?
@@lhpl yes the reddish brown is too "heavy" but in italy in autumn is perfect (visually nealry almost the maine o vermont, up north,in italy u know :) thus reddish needed )
@@MrDarkastar yes, broadleaf forests - I mentioned beech, which we have quite a lot of in Denmark - makes red brown a perfect colour, even in summertime, the forest ground is covered in dry leaves making it almost orange. Though I think the Danish flecktarn variant M/84 was chosen without brown because we have a lot more coniferous forest as plantations. I had not heard of the new Italian pattern, I will have to check it out now, thanks for the info!
@@lhpl thnx, anynway the camo above(alouth patecipate in legendary lebanon onu mission 1982-1984) was progressively replaced since 1980 by a new entirely olive green camo, and eventually shifted out of service definately in 1989 circa(altough post war ,it's been on duty since 1960 at least!)when arrived a local italian variant (more dark visually) of the mitical woodland-this one lasted until 2007 when arrived the NEW and appreciated camo called Vegetato scheme I° and II° that is nearly a pixel version fo the Telo Mimetico whose about here, with some color in add, (very much spring type)beyond the pixeling/dotted, check it, brent has cheked it too truly!
Heh, that's true. But you know Brent0331 - it was worth "for the science", your uploads are unique and very informative, I like so much to learn and judge how they work (just visuals) and sometimes I'll try to buy them after your revievs. Since some time I've became huge fan of Italian camouflage patterns - the one you presented is quite dated but still impressive, and since I've had opportunity to use italian 'Vegetato', I'm impressed of how cool and effective they are. OK, not taking more of your precious time. Thank you and have a nice day!
Good job Brent, years ago, in a gun store, in a galaxy far far away, lol... I ran across this M1 Garand with a box type magazine, in a Carbine configuration, and it was a Italian made, for the Italian mountain troops, or so I was told.... I was fresh out of the army and 83 or 84, and it was way out of my price range $$... I'm asking you or anyone viewing, if they have any information on this...
Yeah, its a BM59, they are for sale here in the state. I think a bunch of parts kits came into the country recently. www.classicfirearms.com/bm-59-semi-auto-rifle-308-caliber
It would be interesting to see the effectiveness of the original wartime colours, with the less reddish brown and more greysh green. www.dererstezug.com/images/ORIG1.jpg
A little footage for the waiting time :o) th-cam.com/video/2b3QTd77R7g/w-d-xo.html And the Swiss Army's TH-cam channel (I think?) Maybe you can find interesting videos there, where the camo can be seen in action?? th-cam.com/users/schweizerarmeevideos
Wow that performed much better than I thought, guess I should be using my set! Did you guys take a look at the reverse side? While not truly reversible it takes on another redder-brown pattern of its own. I dig it.
Brent0331 the rain poncho this camo pattern is named from (Telo tenda 1929 = Tent cloth model 1929) was supposed to be reverseable. In fact, one side was called simply "mimetico", but the brown side was called "Terra di scavo" (digged out soil/ground). You have to remember that the Telo tenda was't simply a poncho: it was a complete sheltering system. 3 clothes formed a normal tent. 5 clothes a commander tent and so on. Every design was specified on instructions papers. Italy produced a huge amount of this and I can tell you that Italian garrisons are still full of this clothes and they are used for any task your mind can suggest. If you search the disassembling video of Beretta ARX 160, you will see a soldier with a current Vegetato Uniform but on the table there is still our old '29 cloth. There was a funny thing: the original instructions of 1929 said that a hood can be provided but it can be use at war only! It's insane...
It's amaizing how these patterns still perform well compared to new and "evolved" modern schemes. BTW this pattern looks like the Finnish M62 or the Norsk Kamo or is ti just me? Great video once again!
@@Brent0331 Great video. This pattern is the first one adopted in the world as a general officially issued item to all troops in an Army in the 1929. It was the poncho "telo tenda" model 1929. It was reversibile as one side had a darker brown shade to be used on "ploughed" open fields. It could be buttoned together to build large tents. Until the Germans captured a large quantity of this cloth in 1943 the Royal Italian Army never used It for individual dresses apart from a smock for paratroopers. After the second WW the new italian Army was reequipped with british style woolen battledress and P37 webbing. Starting from the '50s this Camo cloth was introduced to be worn over the battledress, first as an overall and later as a two-piece suit like yours, that is the officially named "modello 1958". This particular set was used by the Army. San Marco Batallion is instead part of the Italian Navy, like (in a much much smaller scale) the US Marines. They used the same pattern but in a large variety of shades and different cuts. So It is not correct to call your set a "San Marco". The hood in the Army was always detached and used as helmet cover in conjunction to a dedicated net. This type of uniform was superceded in 1975 in the Italian Army by a plain dark green uniform, and only the paratroopers continued to use this camo pattern, but in a uniform cutted in a different way: you may spot them mainly by the paddings on the knees and elbows that are ovale instead of squared and stitched differently. And the uniforms have a thigther fit as are not intended to be worn over another uniform. In the '90s all the uniforms of the Army were replaced by a type very similar to the US woodland, but they didn't last a loing time, being replaced finally by the vegetato pattern. The San Marco Batallion in the same period adopted the nicknamed "Picasso" pattern, and then the vegetato, togheter with the Army and Air Force, to be recognised immediatly as Italians in the International deployments.
great video,my absolute favorite camouflage pattern...we were the first at Ft. Knox to be issued the woodland pattern but I always had a set of these...I love em...could you comment on the type of Carcano your carrying...is it the 2nd model carbine? I'm only guessing
Cool i am looking forward to it. In the past you have mentioned you live in texas. right now over here in california it is 3:11 am. what time is it over there in texas? 6 am?
By the way. The commercial marked has "seen the light" in regard to fading and brightening earlier, cancelled, camos in advance for "multicamo's" Here is an attempt on some "light woodland" from a German manufacturer, but as I have been writing further down, the militaries could have done it too, and saved some money. (I think) But their attempt looks like this: www.army-star.eu/da/brandit-windbreaker-light-woodland
Hey, Brent, you can get the WWII version that's made by SMWholesale in Commiformia, they are one of the best in the market when it comes to WWII German/Italian camouflage replicas. Check them out you'll not be disappointed. I have several pieces of their Waffen SS camouflage and their Italian Telomimico M29 Camouflage trousers and Coveral suit.
Both are Italian Carcano's made by Beretta (I'm a bit of a Beretta collector). These are in 6.5 Moschetto TS (Model Special Troop Carbine) , one being made in 1934 and the other in 1940. Unfortunately, we simply didn't have a lot of Italian support gear for this video.
Not bad, considering is the oldest pattern ever. It would be interesting to see the effectiveness of the original wartime colours, with the less reddish brown and more greysh green. www.dererstezug.com/images/ORIG1.jpg
I sure do appreciate these video's A Lot. Brent those bolt action rifles you're carrying they are the Italian 6.5 Carcano rifle aren't they? Atleast that it looks like to me. I remember I bought 1 for $7.95 back before President John F. Kennedy was shot with 1 of them.....such a bad day in our history.
Hey Danny, thanks for the comment. They sure are Carcano's, Bruce had a few of them and brought them over for the video. I also use a M1 Garand in this video as well.
This pattern absolutely excels in brightly lit woodland/vegetation, with extreme variation in dark and light, perfect
i'm italian u cant imagine the original old Primal release how much is dated and ancient..born primarily in 1917 that camo,modified in 1932,,still n service with Rsi die hard fascists in 1943-44-45,modified in 1961 in republican era,,remained in sertvice until 1989
Your channel is highly underrated. Your content is excellent with good production quality .
YES!!!
Thanks brother, I appreciate it.
Great vintage pattern, and first (1929) mass produced camo to be issued,
former tests of the camo pattern date back to 1917 , guess!
Great video. I am amazed and pleased to see how effective it is. It still surprises me to see how 80 year old patterns like this and flecktarn are better then many more modern patterns. I am also glad to see how well it works because I have a one piece coverall in this pattern. It is very well made too.
Holy shit ! That stuff is REALLY effective!! ...Definitely one of my favorite patterns used by the Germans in WW2, especially when used in conjunction with “ Blurred Edge “ or “ 44 Dot “
Except it's not German but Italian.
The colours are very close to the 68 issue DPM and very effective, they should never have darkened that pattern! Thanks for the vid!
Maybe to compensate for the colors washing out..
Used the Camo in various Paintball games and yes, it works perfectly.
Thanks for uploading 7 years ago
Thanks for adding more historical information and commentary into these videos. I know I commented a few videos back how I'd like to see that happen. I'm glad my voice was heard. Thank you.
Thanks for watching.
My father used in the 60's..the I had a rain poncho made of if issued in the 90's
What?
Awesome man, thanks for sharing.
franchestain 132 esatto!
thank you for the great content.
Excellent pattern for your area at this time of year. Definitely works both stationary and while moving, too.
3:23 and elsewhere - working really well! Another great vid gentlemen. Thanks for putting all the gear on and going out into the heat - definitely worth it. Interesting pattern - it reminds me of M81 woodland minus the black...
Thanks
High Brent, this camouflage works very well and better than i thought before. I am astonished. Kindly Fiete
Thanks for watching.
Years ago i had just a jacket but gave it away to a friend whom is a avid collector. I am not but i like to wear camo when wildcamping.
I remember it being very good in the winter where i live, lot's of dead brown shrubs.
I always regreted i gave it away but as of today i found a jacket and trousers in my local army dump.
It's an older version with a slighy more "open" patern and more pale colors.
No stamps or markings to be found on the inside but with stars on the collar.
I am happy to own one again. :))
Far more effective than I predicted it would be.
The Italians knew what they were doing. Just had some bad leadership in WW2. Even then most units fought as best they could in the circumstances. Well over 300k of their men dead in the war.
It looks like this pattern would be highly effective in the Autumn as well. That Rusty brown color would Blended very well.
north and in aprt central italy have colors that are quite identical to north easrt usa in cold season
Hi Brent, as usual another great video.
I really hope that all of you be nice and safe
Greetings from México City
Thanks brother, thanks for watching.
Excellent work Brent and Bruce, as usual!
Another great vid Brent. Thanks again, Phil 👍👍
Thanks for watching brother.
Thanks for showing, interesting pattern and very useful.
Thanks
grate job you must have the largest camouflage collections out their I have Ben watching your videos for the 2 yr. thank you very much
Hi Brent, congrats for your work, I love and follow your channel. I must tell you that the pattern you showed in this video is, as you correctly said, the post WWII version: in fact the colors are brighter and the brown as a more rusty tone. But it is not the San Marco (Navy Infantry). The uniform you are wearing is the "Completo mimetico mod. 1960" and it was used in the Italian Army until mid 70's. After that it was replaced with a olive drab uniform such as in many other NATO countries. Paratroopers only continued to use a camo uniform with the same pattern but designed specifically for the paras (special pouches, padded elbows and knees, etc...).
The colors of WWII telo tenda were darker and similar to ones of US woodland. As I said, The "SAN MARCO" Batallion (now Regiment) is the Italian Navy Infantry (Marines like you) and until 1992 used a camo overall. The navy pattern was a specific variant of Telo Tenda 1929: the shapes of spots were a bit different and the colors were thought for mediterranean coasts. The green was really greyish, the brown really rusty and the tan more yellowish. This camo and this overall was used by navy only. The uniform you are showing was used by all the branches of Italian Army. My father uesd this uniform too in 1967-1968. And I tell you another thing: your uniform was originally thought to be worn over the battle dress (after WWII Italy adopted a variant of British 1937 Battle Dress), but it was really really hot and during exercises, soldiers were allowed to wear it like a normal bdu.
If you want some pics, links, infos or explanations, please send me a private message and I will be pleasant to give you all the stuff you want. I hope I've been helpful. Thank you. Bye.
Awesome man, I appreciate the first hand input. I couldn't find much information about this pattern so I always appreciate guys throwing in more history, clarification, etc.
San Marco is a brigade :)
Excellent as always. And yeah, it's been surface of the sun hot here too.
Thanks man.
I think it is a really effective pattern, specially under the trees where the sunlight make it work very good between the shadow / lighted areas. I think, that specially these larger colored areas make it good, because the contrast between the brown and tan areas is quite significant. I think though, that the brown color has too much of a red tone in it, ad with advantage could have been a bit more "pale" and ordinary brown so to say. (Like British Desert DPM eg. See videolink below.)
I like these patterns with larger areas of the same color, specially if there are a good contrast between the different colors, so that the human shape really can be broken up, like in French CCE eg.
I think, that all these new multicamo's blur up to look some sort of "Brown khaki" in a short distance, and therefore loose effectiveness. It looks good with all these colors fading in to each other and so in eg. Multicam, but I think, it works best for the salesman in the shop of all people. I never understood why the different armies not just faded their original woodland, DPM and what else they had all ready, that would have saved some royalty money to Crye Precision at least.
I am not a soldier, and of cause one can need to be hiding from the enemy at very short distances, but modern warfare are in my understanding mostly not hand to hand "middle age distance" combat, but fought at about 20 - 50 meters at closest, and out to a couple of hundreds of meters for lightly armed infantry.
Here things blend together to one "average" color, and all the cool printing effects from Multicam and equal patterns are no longer to be seen in detail at all. This happens of cause with camo patterns with larger "colorblocks" or areas in them too, but the distances are longer, before the effect of blurring everything in to one average "unicolor" dominates. My opinion that is, but here is a video of some Ukrainians testing different colors, to support what I argue about. They test from 50 to 200 meters I think I could hear( I understand a little bit Russian but........) They test American UCP, British DPM and Desert DPM, Flecktarn, British MTP and some hunter camouflage. In grass land, but take a look if you are curious guys, it is sometimes interesting to see things on longer distances too. (Not to criticize your videos Brent, you are doing an excellent job, but this is just a different angle. :o) ) Have a nice day everyone: th-cam.com/video/C-c6v6q3Fc4/w-d-xo.html
The 29th Waffen Grenadier Division of the SS was one of the italian SS units
It was also the name of a Russian unit
Stuka Steven also the 12th HJ Div.
It worked very well, I was a little surprised, being that that camouflage pattern is larger splotches, but it worked great.
MountainRecluse learn something new everyday, this is the go to channel for my camouflage info. Thanks brother!
Thanks for watching and commenting.
When I want to know more about a pattern you are the man 😊
Great video and an excellent perspective and example of its use.
Id like to see hunting camo tests like realtree or mossy oak since suprisingly theyre cheaper than bdus
They're more effective, too; much more. Brent has tested a couple, here and there, but he seems to shy away from them for some reason. My recommendations: Realtree XTRA, XTRA Green, APS, and MAX-5. M2D by Made 2 Deceive is another good one, as are Kryptek patterns.
Oh man, that's a great idea. It would be so cheap and available.
The reason for this is my channel is military oriented. My channel is not exclusively camouflage oriented. I've done a few videos on hunting patterns but I primarily focus on military oriented camouflage patterns. If you notice the format in which I present the patterns I'm always wearing gear and carrying a combat oriented weapon. I don't want to rule out the possibility of me doing more hunting patterns, but thus far in the few years I've been doing this, I have never really had a shortage of available military patterns from all over the world. To sum it up, I could do some more hunting patterns in the future, but its not my primary focus.
+Toguro The hunting camo brands that you described are great as long as one holds still, and they stay in the environment that the pattern was specifically made for. Realtree and Mossy Oak aren't so good when the wearer is moving, or when they're outside the environment that the pattern was made for.
This worked real good in this environment.
Great review....excellent guys. I appreciate your reviews and efforts.
Vinnie
Great vid! I've been looking forward to this test. I definitely need to pick myself some Mimiteco up now.
Thanks brother, check Sportsmansguide.com, that's where I got mine really cheap.
YOU FINALLY DID IT!
In very flat light and close up it seems to me that macro patterns such as this one don't help, perhaps even making the subject more visible, particularly when the colouration does not suit the environment (e.g. 9:19). However, in situations of high contrast light and shade such as Bruce at 8:07 it seems to work well. However, while I understand why these videos show the subject at ranges of only 30 meters or so, my understanding is that camouflage uniforms were initially designed to be effective at the average late WWII infantry engagement range of 400 meters, and none of them are expected to work when the subject moves.
I have an Italian 'zeltbahn' in this pattern, very distinctive. Another excellent macro pattern is post-war BGS Sumpftarn, and the jackets are extremely well made and actually load-bearing. Becoming scarce and expensive in Europe.
Thank you for the interesting videos.
I believe the BGS pattern you are referring to is this one? th-cam.com/video/4uUV1h26L6E/w-d-xo.html
Nice video as always! (and thanks even more 'cause I actually live not very far from were the San Marco regiment was born!)
Awesome man, thanks for sharing.
Actually, I've just remembered that the real San Marco camo is different. Some friends of mine have it and I'll try to give you a pic when I get their autorisation - maybe in PM directly to you. What I suspect happened is that the San Marco name passed in common use for this generation of italian camo, but the actual San Marco marine batallion has his own rather distinct pattern and colours.
btgsanmarco.it/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/Mimetica-2000.jpg This is, as far as I know, the proper San Marco pattern.
Interesting, maybe you can find a link online with a picture of it and post the link for all to see?
Posted. And I still see, every now and then when I spot them, personnel from the "San Marco" and the "Lagunari" (the 2 marine batallions we have) wearing this pattern, pretty different from the other army/alpine units who seem to be running all the standard issue Vegetata.
I'm not in the Army so i don't have reliable infos, but I feel that this is a distinction they're trying to keep between the land and the anfibious units: the fact that the San Marco -based in the southern Italy- depends from the Navy while the Lagunari -based in Venice and its lagoon- depend from the Army seems to validate this hypotesis.
Forget the politics. This is excellent camouflage! Outstanding.
Modello 1929 ..The first infantry camo ever .. italian design always the best ..🥰
You can kinda see this pattern crossed with Liebermuster produced the old US woodland pattern....
Spooky good pattern in your AO.
Thanks Brent.
Thanks for watching.
I am finding the best patterns, this one included, work even when I know where you are, and you are moving. I find it hard to focus in on you even when walking.
Legio XXI Rapax I take it you are Italian? I just bought some vegatato because it looked like an amazing camouflage pattern and I hate wearing the same camo as my country's military. I also picked up flecktarn to wear since I find the design to be interesting also.
ive the top piece of that camo(i'm italian)works well in soft air,but could have been somethign of totally perfect if the creator and italian major state had added adverts on the 30-50% of the reddish and light faded green area
Very good video, and a good camo
that camo with some dark grey and dark green insertions ( on the reddish/brown and light green areas)could be of a great purpose still today
A "multi" version, replacing some (20%?) of the brown with a much darker brownish/purplish olive grey like RAL 6006 grey olive, and a bit less (10-15%?) with a lighter colour, like 7002 olive grey, and also maybe replace 10-15% of the yellow green with a "sandier" light beige (RAL 1000?), possibly using a dotted overlay pattern, might be interesting to see. To my eyes, the redness of the brown stands out a little too much, though it would be fine as is in autumn or in beech dominated forests. (And semiurban areas with red brick walls, for that matter.) "Multimimetico"?
@@lhpl theorically modern modify is been already done and it s called Vagetato, a pattern of italian army well. known also. in usa nowdays :)
@@lhpl yes the reddish brown is too "heavy" but in italy in autumn is perfect (visually nealry almost the maine o vermont, up north,in italy u know :) thus reddish needed )
@@MrDarkastar yes, broadleaf forests - I mentioned beech, which we have quite a lot of in Denmark - makes red brown a perfect colour, even in summertime, the forest ground is covered in dry leaves making it almost orange. Though I think the Danish flecktarn variant M/84 was chosen without brown because we have a lot more coniferous forest as plantations.
I had not heard of the new Italian pattern, I will have to check it out now, thanks for the info!
@@lhpl thnx, anynway the camo above(alouth patecipate in legendary lebanon onu mission 1982-1984) was progressively replaced since 1980 by a new entirely olive green camo, and eventually shifted out of service definately in 1989 circa(altough post war ,it's been on duty since 1960 at least!)when arrived a local italian variant (more dark visually) of the mitical woodland-this one lasted until 2007 when arrived the NEW and appreciated camo called Vegetato scheme I° and II° that is nearly a pixel version fo the Telo Mimetico whose about here, with some color in add, (very much spring type)beyond the pixeling/dotted, check it, brent has cheked it too truly!
wow! Impressive! Thanks for sharing and keep up a good work.
Thanks for watching.
Your uploads are great, pure pleasure to watch. Also looks like great fun to make them!
Some times they are, some times not so much, this particular video was a beating. Well over 100 degrees in these heavy canvas material uniforms.
Heh, that's true. But you know Brent0331 - it was worth "for the science", your uploads are unique and very informative, I like so much to learn and judge how they work (just visuals) and sometimes I'll try to buy them after your revievs. Since some time I've became huge fan of Italian camouflage patterns - the one you presented is quite dated but still impressive, and since I've had opportunity to use italian 'Vegetato', I'm impressed of how cool and effective they are.
OK, not taking more of your precious time.
Thank you and have a nice day!
Good job Brent, years ago, in a gun store, in a galaxy far far away, lol...
I ran across this M1 Garand with a box type magazine, in a Carbine configuration, and it was a Italian made, for the Italian mountain troops, or so I was told....
I was fresh out of the army and 83 or 84, and it was way out of my price range $$...
I'm asking you or anyone viewing, if they have any information on this...
Yeah, its a BM59, they are for sale here in the state. I think a bunch of parts kits came into the country recently. www.classicfirearms.com/bm-59-semi-auto-rifle-308-caliber
You run across a Beretta BM59.
th-cam.com/video/xBspM4siR8Y/w-d-xo.html
Another great video thanks for all the time and effort it takes to make these videos... did y'all guys get washed out by the hurricane?
Tried my best to spot you 2 ,only once did I spot one of you !
The browns don't work in that environment but the greens and the pattern are awesome. At least for the shown distance.
It would be interesting to see the effectiveness of the original wartime colours, with the less reddish brown and more greysh green. www.dererstezug.com/images/ORIG1.jpg
Great video. I have the top without the hood. Is the hood integral to the piece you have? Or is the hood an attachment?Thank you..
Would be cool if you did the Swiss Taz90
Its hard to get a hold of.
A little footage for the waiting time :o) th-cam.com/video/2b3QTd77R7g/w-d-xo.html And the Swiss Army's TH-cam channel (I think?) Maybe you can find interesting videos there, where the camo can be seen in action?? th-cam.com/users/schweizerarmeevideos
Wow that performed much better than I thought, guess I should be using my set! Did you guys take a look at the reverse side? While not truly reversible it takes on another redder-brown pattern of its own. I dig it.
I saw it when I took it off, kinda interesting.
Brent0331 the rain poncho this camo pattern is named from (Telo tenda 1929 = Tent cloth model 1929) was supposed to be reverseable. In fact, one side was called simply "mimetico", but the brown side was called "Terra di scavo" (digged out soil/ground). You have to remember that the Telo tenda was't simply a poncho: it was a complete sheltering system. 3 clothes formed a normal tent. 5 clothes a commander tent and so on. Every design was specified on instructions papers. Italy produced a huge amount of this and I can tell you that Italian garrisons are still full of this clothes and they are used for any task your mind can suggest. If you search the disassembling video of Beretta ARX 160, you will see a soldier with a current Vegetato Uniform but on the table there is still our old '29 cloth. There was a funny thing: the original instructions of 1929 said that a hood can be provided but it can be use at war only! It's insane...
It's amaizing how these patterns still perform well compared to new and "evolved" modern schemes. BTW this pattern looks like the Finnish M62 or the Norsk Kamo or is ti just me? Great video once again!
Agreed, thanks again.
@@Brent0331
Great video.
This pattern is the first one adopted in the world as a general officially issued item to all troops in an Army in the 1929.
It was the poncho "telo tenda" model 1929. It was reversibile as one side had a darker brown shade to be used on "ploughed" open fields. It could be buttoned together to build large tents. Until the Germans captured a large quantity of this cloth in 1943 the Royal Italian Army never used It for individual dresses apart from a smock for paratroopers.
After the second WW the new italian Army was reequipped with british style woolen battledress and P37 webbing.
Starting from the '50s this Camo cloth was introduced to be worn over the battledress, first as an overall and later as a two-piece suit like yours, that is the officially named "modello 1958". This particular set was used by the Army.
San Marco Batallion is instead part of the Italian Navy, like (in a much much smaller scale) the US Marines.
They used the same pattern but in a large variety of shades and different cuts. So It is not correct to call your set a "San Marco".
The hood in the Army was always detached and used as helmet cover in conjunction to a dedicated net.
This type of uniform was superceded in 1975 in the Italian Army by a plain dark green uniform, and only the paratroopers continued to use this camo pattern, but in a uniform cutted in a different way: you may spot them mainly by the paddings on the knees and elbows that are ovale instead of squared and stitched differently. And the uniforms have a thigther fit as are not intended to be worn over another uniform.
In the '90s all the uniforms of the Army were replaced by a type very similar to the US woodland, but they didn't last a loing time, being replaced finally by the vegetato pattern.
The San Marco Batallion in the same period adopted the nicknamed "Picasso" pattern, and then the vegetato, togheter with the Army and Air Force, to be recognised immediatly as Italians in the International deployments.
Great video as always, can you do WW2 German camos? I know you did oakleaf but you could do splinter camo, always wondered if that worked well.
Check his last video
great video,my absolute favorite camouflage pattern...we were the first at Ft. Knox to be issued the woodland pattern but I always had a set of these...I love em...could you comment on the type of Carcano your carrying...is it the 2nd model carbine? I'm only guessing
So those Carcano's belonged to Bruce. I wish I could answer your question but I'm not sure what he had. I borrowed his for his for the video.
unfortunately you do not have a beretta bm59 also. but published very beautiful videos
I agree, wish I had one. Maybe one day.
It's really fun to search for you
Works kinda good.
When are you gonna test the WW2 M36? im very curious to see how it performs, as it a real classic!
Awesome, love your channel.
Thanks man, maybe in due time.
Do you have any plans on trying the current realtree or mossy oak camo patterns
No, plans at the moment.
Thank you, sir
Thanks for watching
Hey Brent. will you ever do a video on urban combat and fighting house to house and room to room? also have you ever had someone draw fan art of you?
I may do an Infantrymans guide video in the future covering that. However, its not on the drawing board. It will be some time before that.
Cool i am looking forward to it. In the past you have mentioned you live in texas. right now over here in california it is 3:11 am. what time is it over there in texas? 6 am?
By the way. The commercial marked has "seen the light" in regard to fading and brightening earlier, cancelled, camos in advance for "multicamo's" Here is an attempt on some "light woodland" from a German manufacturer, but as I have been writing further down, the militaries could have done it too, and saved some money. (I think) But their attempt looks like this: www.army-star.eu/da/brandit-windbreaker-light-woodland
Even better here www.army-star.eu/da/brandit-britannia-jacket-light-woodland
I always thought San Marco camo was a completely different pattern...
Nice video, anyway instead of Carcano I would have preferred a MAB 38
Me too, we found that Italian gear and weapons were something we were both lacking in.
Any idea of the effectiveness of the hunting 3D leafy suits
They're good at breaking up the human outline, same concept as a ghillie suit.
I'm really surprised ur not in Hollywood by now bro.......i wish i was rich..id hire u brotha.
Ha
Hey, Brent, you can get the WWII version that's made by SMWholesale in Commiformia, they are one of the best in the market when it comes to WWII German/Italian camouflage replicas. Check them out you'll not be disappointed. I have several pieces of their Waffen SS camouflage and their Italian Telomimico M29 Camouflage trousers and Coveral suit.
Cool man, I'll check it out.
Can you do a Singapore digital camo review ? :D
If I can find it at a cheap price, maybe in the future.
+Brent0331 Oh ok thanks for the reply :D :)
Could u test out turkish camo
If I find some at a good price maybe.
Sorry to bother you again
Why do you think the military issues camo uniforms as opposed to a lightweight 3d over suit
Cost, uniforms have more risk of getting snagged on things, etc.
Great video, but what rifle is that?
Both are Italian Carcano's made by Beretta (I'm a bit of a Beretta collector). These are in 6.5 Moschetto TS (Model Special Troop Carbine) , one being made in 1934 and the other in 1940. Unfortunately, we simply didn't have a lot of Italian support gear for this video.
I almost forgot, Brent also carried the M1-Garand in a few scenes, which was also fielded by the Italian military and most were converted to 7.62 NATO
I was just about to say they were Carcanos... Excellent choice for the video and great work again!
Appreciate it brother.
👏👏👏amazing
impressive.
I didn't even try on the 3rd scenario
How has demonitization been hitting you, Brent?
Haven't really noticed anything to be honest. I don't think its effected me at all to be honest.
Not bad, considering is the oldest pattern ever.
It would be interesting to see the effectiveness of the original wartime colours, with the less reddish brown and more greysh green. www.dererstezug.com/images/ORIG1.jpg
...german love it indeed
do you have an email I could contact you On? have some questions
Just send a PM through TH-cam, its private.
I sure do appreciate these video's A Lot. Brent those bolt action rifles you're carrying they are the Italian 6.5 Carcano rifle aren't they? Atleast that it looks like to me. I remember I bought 1 for $7.95 back before President John F. Kennedy was shot with 1 of them.....such a bad day in our history.
Hey Danny, thanks for the comment. They sure are Carcano's, Bruce had a few of them and brought them over for the video. I also use a M1 Garand in this video as well.
Yeah, I noticed the M1 in there to. I was sure but, its been so long since I seen a Carcano I had to ask.Thanks for the come back Brent.
hmm not really effective. I've the feeling the darker, duller variation on your hat would have worked better for the given environment
Kinda like the Russian amoeba? Pattern? It did well.
I agree, I thought the same thing when I got out there and put it on.
I can't see you but little circle every so often you might be at best.
isee both of you first clip
пора уже руссий выучить и на нем разговаривать а то не понять вас басурман.супер рисунок и цвета камуфляжа
:)