Typical false accusation to justify your false belief ... Scripture says that Noah was always out preaching ... So NO they were invited, and he probably did it in person .... try again.
@@TairnKA HahaHAhaHAHAhAha....Is that shit really in that book of fantasmical fibbery? Please tell me that people don't actually believe that rancid crud.
Logic and common sense are wasted on young earth creationists. I love how every contradiction in his abject nonsense is excused as "divine intervention,"
I got halfway through this and just couldn’t take any more. Most of the offered ‘explanations’ were simply post-hoc and akin to finding a piece of jigsaw puzzle down the sofa five years after you last completed a puzzle and then hammering into place with a ‘There! I knew it fitted!’
What I don't understand is why god had to keep samples of the animals alive, why not drown them all and just start over or did he lose the ability to speak things into existence? Secondly, was it really necessary to keep samples of a damn mosquito?
Very good point! This is similar to something I thought of not too long ago. How is it that god spoke everything into existence out of nothing. The universe, the earth, the planets, the animals and humans. Yet he ordered his peasant servants to build everything he wanted. The ark, the temple, the second temple, the ark of the covenant. When it came to the Ten Commandments god told Moses that he would inscribe them with his own finger. Not only did Moses have to hew the tablets out of stone but then Moses had to chisel the words into the stones.
One might as well ask why God had to do anything in any context. To the tri-omni God nothing is truly necessary because he can do or change anything in any way at any time. It gets pointless asking most Christians why God did or didn't do something because they say we aren't supposed to judge God and his ways are mysterious. Wouldn't it be a great joke on all of us if God actually created the Universe 5 minutes ago. Since he's omnipotent he can create it with all the attributes of an old universe and implant false memories etc. A more relevant question is does the God of the bible really represent the qualities that it attributes to him?
There is a comic I saw, I wish I had a link to it. First frame: Noah says to himself, "it sure smells like crap! Let me get a candle and have a look" Second frame Noah lights a match. Third frame the Ark explodes with the caption: "Noah discovers methane".
@@nikkimcdonald4562 So our canine teeth were useless before the flood? What about the enzymes needed to digest meat? Did those just magically come about at the same time? The fossil evidence severely and thoroughly debunks your junk. Maybe it's time for you to invest in some education.... put the fictional myth stories away and grasp reality.
I don't know. I argued with two worn brake rotors yesterday. They quickly agreed to come off my friends truck and get taken to the dump. I think worn brake rotors may actually be smarter than creationists.
There is little point in debating a creationist. No matter what arguments you may use, the creationist will never change his mind. He will never accept any fact that conflicts with his belief.
Yeah, for sure there is a huge amount of truth to what you say. However, the goal of most religious debates is not to change the mind of the person you are debating, but to get the arguments on the table so that UNDECIDED viewers can make a more informed choice for themselves. So, for me, though change is glacial, it’s worth the effort. I think Bill Nye did the right thing to agree to debate Ken Ham. Also, note that a creationist may present an unshakable façade, but I cannot help but think in private moments he may well think, “You know, that guy made some good points.” I once had a Jehovah's Witnesses write me a letter 20 years after I talked to him, telling me he left his religion.
And THIS is what makes his belief so dangerous. The fact he is teaching any and all children in his sphere of influence, and thereby THEY will grow up as misinformed as he is.
I disagree on You Tube there are atheists who were once dye in the wool YTC then they had an epiphany that there beliefs were just a bunch of BS. Take for example Viced Rhino, Paulologia Telltale among others. There may be hope for Creationists yet.
@@enki354 Or take the 65% of Nobel laureates from 1901 - 200 who identify themselves as Christian. Or from 1974 +, 9 in physics; 11 in chemistry; 22 in physiology/medicine. Or Raymond Damadian, inventor of MRI, former atheist, who should have received Nobel (according to laureate). Or Francis Collins. The A-list minds in science, literature, law, art have largely been Christians. E.g. Shakespeare's last will and testament: "My Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ."
A Christian told me all the animals died because all the ones that died were engaged in having sex with humans. That is when I put my hands in the air and gave up.
Not in the sense that atheist evolutionists mean. KIND produces species of the same kind. Meaning a pair of dogs can make different kinds of dogs, but NEVER reptiles like evolutionists think. Kind means family or genus. Adaptation and natural selection cannot make an animal jump genus or family. It doesnt show on the microscope, and it doesnt show in the fossils. Saying that a whale and an extinct land animal are related because of a similar skull shape is like saying that a jeep and a truck are related because they have same tires or similar fuel tanks. It's wishfull thinking to prove your theory right, so you can keep indulging your sins and vices and feel like youre doing ok, like theres not gonna be an accounting for your actions.
@@oldscorp The thing that you creationists don't understand is, that you all live in your creationist bubble. All credible scientists, in all countries in the world, of any religion whatsoever (or no religion) have agreed on the theory of evoultion. And for over a hundred years, not a single scientist has brought forth any evidence of evolution not being true, or even thought of a different theory that could be held up against peer review. And on a side note: I don't understand how you always have to sway away from the discussion about (pseudo-)science to your view that everyone who doesn't live according to your belief wants to indulge in sin, a belief which is not only wrong but also claims that you are the only valid deonomination of the christian faith.
"Science textbooks change every year, but we believe in the unchanging word of God." Textbooks "change" because of several reasons: 1) new information has been added since the previous editions, so students need to be kept up to date. Right? 2) new information since the previous edition modifies or nullifies earlier hypotheses, so students need to know this. Right? 3) mistakes were caught that didn't get caught in earlier editions. We wouldn't want students to be taught erroneous material. Right? 4) school boards argue over what should go in. Sometimes the creationists are in charge and win; sometimes reason wins. So, it's a struggle to maintain consistent information. The bible HAS changed over the centuries. After its formation/compilation by committee, which took a lot of arguing and compromise, there was material added. Also, translations occurred, and mistakes were made in doing that. Also, there are now many versions, not just the King James Version, so people get different INTERPRETATIONS and WORDING. Don't tell me everything is exactly as it was when the bible stories were originally put together. It isn't.
Scientific textbooks change because new things have been learned and they want college kids to spend more money. Religious books don't change because they fictional not factual. Simple as that !
Religious books don't change because they are fictional not factual. College books change because they've learned new information as well as they want the college kids to spend more money on books because our system is so capitalistic.
When radiocarbon dating agrees with scientific expectations..." STOP! Scientists don't presume. They do the measurements, compare to other dating techniques, evaluate whether it makes sense (not meets their preconceived notions), and then decide whether to accept the value.
Scientists manipulate their data to find the answers that their study finders pay them to find. At one time, doctors and scientists promoted smoking as the healthy choice. Of course we would all agree smoking is bad for our health now. Likewise, scientists find what they are looking for. Follow the funding and your will find the root of the theory.
@@davecannabis Well scientists did believe the earth was flat for a long time. However, the Bible clearly tells you that the earth is round. The book of Isaiah says, ""He stretches out the north over empty space; He hangs the earth on nothing." Job 26:7 (NKJV) "He sits enthroned upon the circle of the earth" Isaiah 40:22*
@@crystalmartin2973 the last time anyone near the sea thought the earth was flat was prior to any amount of sailing. And the last time any 'scientists'(if you can call them that prior) thought it was flat was prior to ancient greece.
@@crystalmartin2973 there may well be unscrupulous scientists about, but when it comes to facts you have to publish and those publications have to be verified, there is a difference between "opinions scientists have" and "facts scientists have". one is tested by law and slander laws, the other by peer review.
The bible says that God regretted his creation of man. Therefore he is less than perfect and not omniscient . How can you trust someone who makes mistakes?
Oh, you and your facts! If there is one thing the bible has taught us it is that Christians don't believe in facts! Question.. if i am called an atheist because i do not believe in god then what do you call someone who does not believe in facts?
Red Hunteur : Why? Because MAGIC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! If we literally believe all these fairy-tales for grown-ups sprinkled with magic, well then everything is possible, right? Right? Right? Right? Right?
Funnily enough plants (Gen 1:11) are also older than the sun (Gen 1:16) which indicates that god got its tactics a bit wrong because all plants would have instantly become extinct in temperatures approaching absolute zero if there was no sun.
It's also funny that science has already proven the order in which bible describes the creation of the universe is well as most of us here know false. I also personally find it hilarious the bible says the Stars & Sun were created @ separated times but yet we all know even most Christians that the Sun is in fact a star lol
The first six "days" of "creation" begin at the spring equinox and end at the fall equinox. These "days" are months of 30 degrees each in the Zodiac used by these writers. The first day is Aries, the second day is Taurus and so on. They represent the time of the year when light is greater than darkness. The first six nights are the winter months and are symboled by the seas. The biblical creation story is repeated every year and cannot be historical.
Your section on waste. I drive semi I'm no expert but take a look at an empty bull truck next time you're filling at a truck stop. The amount of waste from a days drive will blow your mind. I just can't believe conservapedia/Ken Ham on this issue. I don't believe they understand the true scope of the problem.
I find the elephant running on the treadmill with all of the poop HILARIOUS. The poor guy at the bottom would probably be dead in minutes from the methane/oxygen mixture.
James Price I don't know why TH-cam decided it would tell me about the comment before yours and after but not you. So apologies I'm so late. These animals are in small cages. They are going to be laying in this shit. A sloped floor isn't going to do umm shit. Now you have to wash these animals on the daily or risk any small injury becoming infected and sickness spreading. Yep the tiny crew of this massive ark has got this!
A man called “Christian Philosopher” commented: "The story of Noah and the flood is an accurate account of a real event in history. To say that it could not have happened is a failure of intelligence, understanding, resourcefulness, and imagination." I engaged with him extensively, trying to explain to him why I think he is flat wrong. On every issue, he missed the point. I finally summarized our respective positions on 7 key issues, and asked him to correct me if I have misunderstood his positions. He responded, “You have totally misrepresented what I said, and there is no need to repeat myself.” I answered, “Oh, noooo, no, no, no! You don’t get to summarily claim victory and run. I specifically asked you to CORRECT ME if I misunderstood your positions. So, either you clarify what I have misrepresented, and succinctly state your actual position, or my summary gets pinned at the top of the comments for good, as is.” He declined, confidant that he had made the better case. Fine. So here is that summary: KANGAROOS - I said two kangaroos could not have gotten to the Middle East and back to Australia. You say people could have transported them. I say people at the time had neither the means nor motivation to do so. You say, it could easily have been a miracle of God’s doing. I say, invoking a miracle is not a convincing argument to rational people, any more than it would be in a court case. IMMORAL ANIMALS - I said only a cruel God unnecessarily drowns millions of animals. You said they had it coming for their immoral decisions. [“…many animals cohabited with other species not of their own kind… Humans had created such a wild debased habitual cohabitation in the nature of animals themselves, the next generation of animals had become so perverse, like humans had become perverse.”] I say, attributing guilt to all the animals of the world, is a ludicrous idea. OSTRICHES - I said your God is wrong about ostriches, in describing them as uncaring parents. You referred me to an article that said your God was describing ostriches not as they are but as MAN viewed ostriches. I say, no, He wasn’t. The context (Job 39:1-17) shows the biblical God was methodically describing the creatures He made, AS HE MADE THEM. And He describes ostriches… incorrectly. Thereby proving this is man speaking, not God. DAVID’S ONLY SIN - I said David disobeying God’s commands TWO TIMES (2 Sam 24:10) contradicts the Bible’s claim that he committed only ONE sin all his life (1 Kg 15:5). You said, “It does not say sin, it says anything he commanded him, two totally different things.” I said, no, biblically, sin and disobeying God are the very same thing. Thus, the contradiction stands; one does not equal two. DAVID - GOD’S MAN - I said David - a fornicator (2 Sam 5:13), corpse mutilator (2 Sam 4:12, 1 Sam 17:51) and murderer (2 Sam 11:15) - was an immoral man. You say he was a man after God’s heart, because the Bible says so. I say such a God is utterly unworthy of worship. PEOPLE AS PROPERTY - I said a God who refers to people as “property” of other people, is unworthy of worship. You said God is “dealing with slavery not condoning it.” I say if He says, (Lev. 25:44-46) “Moreover you may buy the children of the strangers who dwell among you… and they shall become your property,” then He IS condoning slavery. A real God would never refer to people as “property.” HELL - I said a God who tortures sentient beings forever (Hell) is NOT a loving God. You claim people have it coming; they deserve such a fate for not believing in Jesus. “Christian Philosopher” signed off, by doing what he had done all along, arguing by mere assertion, appeal to authority, and quoting irrelevant Christian bromides. “The love of wisdom proves to be the love of God. In this world of which he is Lord, we should expect to find truth everywhere. And wherever we find it, we may count that truth God's.” If you are a Creationist, do you honestly think this man makes a reasonable case? He does not. I only take him seriously because so many of you still believe this nonsense. www.confrontingbelievers.com/
@@rodharris9490 Magic? I dont believe in such things. I am an atheist, i believe the scientific method is the best technique we have to accurately map our reality. I dont need to be a trained scientist to understand science, there are no authorities in science. I have a masters degree, so yeah, im educated. Noahs ark is bullshit.
@@rodharris9490 So, you think that all that posturing is going to do the work of demonstrating that you are correct no matter what? Like i will be intimidated by your great intellect or something? Created? The Universe doesnt show any of the halmarks of design. It likely wasnt created, it was formed most likely from completely natural sources. Who i am has nothing to do with the discussion at hand. Any logical human being who doesnt have to resort to fallacious logic to demonstrate their position would know this. Water is the chemical compound. Knowledge of this doesnt make somebody automatically wrong or right about any given substance. Pointless exercise. Being an existentialist, a hippie, or any other cultural label has nothing to do with the fact that the biblical flood and Noah's ark never happened. You are all over the place man! I dont particularly care that you taught ceramics. It has nothing to do with anything. I got you beat on that though. Im a watercolor painter, a working fine artist and i teach adults drawing and painting classes as well. I also work with wood, mostly dioramas, canes, hiking staffs, and wood ring jewelry. All much, much, more difficult to master than ceramics. But hey, thats nice for you i guess.
@@rodharris9490 No, no you are very wrong. We have no idea what the state of the universe was like before the plank time. At this point, we are somewhat blocked from understanding the exact parameters and state of the univese before the plank time. Time as we know it seems to slow and even stop. We do not know much about the universe in its state before the expansion. The cosmic microwave backroud radiation is the remanants of the energy of the expansion event we call the big bang. Sure, it is a marker for how long ego the expansion state of the universe began, but its not the true age of the universe itself. The compressed state of the univese before the big bang could be eternal. Because time began with the expansion of time and space at the moment of the big bang, we cant address age or time regarding the universe because time didnt exist before the big bang. You are ignorant. Did i say anything about light? You do know that light appeared at the same time as the other forces, the nuclear forces, and gravity. Light is simply a form of energy that is emitted as electromagnetic radiation. Light wasnt created, its a fundemental effect of electromagnetic radiation, its really a sort of physical absolute. It wasnt created. You have no idea what you are talking about. So when i said you were an idiot, boy was i right!!!
Don't you just love the creationist's response to every implausible scenario? 'Well, there was PROBABLY some divine intervention going on here.' The sheer amount of 'there could have beens', and 'it's possibles' is simply astounding. Talk about a get-out-of-jail-free card!!
And the divine intervention card is really all they need, when they try filling 1/2 in with silly guesses and then claim divine intervention for the stuff they really can’t, it just cheapens everything. Also, who knew Noah used Day Labor? :p
johnloves jesus you seem to trust science, you use the Internet, I think you also believe in cars, airplanes, antibiotics, probably because you see them working everyday, but physics, chemistry, geology, biology, palaeontology are all part of the same science, they all use the same scientific methodology to find the truth. Yet you choose to believe the bible, when you don’t even know who the authors were, when it was first written down. You choose to believe in a worldwide flood because your bible say so, even though at that time those people didn’t have a written record yet the Egyptians and Chinese who had a written record don’t report any worldwide flood. I know you will always use the ‘g0d did it with magic’ excuse but if your g0d is all knowing he’d have known how much trouble he would cause his followers so why didn’t he just wipe out Everyone and start again? Maybe you should look at other creation myths and when you see how crazy they are you will appreciate how atheists see yours (and obviously theirs). If you want to know what’s true you will have to educate yourself, as Jesus said (in the parable of the talents) don’t waste your talents, better to use them and loose them than just bury them.
Having had this debate with family members I always respond with: If God used magic at every impossible task then why didn't he just magic away all the people he was mad at? Seems like a waste of magic resources to me.
The establishment of a Scientific process didn't exist till I believe the 12th century, maybe 10th but not earlier so referring to "science" earlier then that is like referring to a computer in the first century (Hm... that went into a circle or globe). ;-)
I think you all forgot a main theme ,that out of the engineering perspective it will not float . Otherwise you would have built a floating "replica" that floats ....but you didn't...because it carn't .
It would float. It will not sail. You could float it in a still lake for a short time. If you put it in the ocean the waves would tear it apart in a short time. The pieces would still float and since you didn't make it that far out you could paddle back to shore.
The thing about only having two of every “kind” of animal would have created a genetic bottleneck due to every animal pair would have to be incestuous after their first offspring were sexually mature, and that’s assuming that anything else in that story happened like the Bible says
Noah's Ark is the story of the christian god's failure. It was a deliberately planned failure by a perfect god that cannot make a mistake. The final blow to his credibility came when he blamed his beloved children for his own failure and decided to drown them. So Yahweh, the Jewish god and Jesus' father, is a jealous, angry, incompetent, narcissistic psychopath. And yet, he is loving, caring, wise, forgiving, compassionate, generous, and sacrificial. This is the kind of schizophrenic literature that pushed me into atheism.
James - agreed, though religion is about bondage. Spirituality is freedom and there are other avenues to explore this. Religion has made god into the image of man and they are too stupid to understand that is the greatest blasphemy of all.
You forgot about the first two failures, the ones preceeding the "Jesus-fix," and the predestiny of the biblical temper-tantrum called " Armageddon. " In the entirety of all Middle Eastern religions, God does not create even one soul to His Expectations.
@@jasonbladzinski5336 - who are you telling to go away? WTF do you think you are? Stop practising that megalomania against people you don't know. Stoopid.
Lee B I'm an atheist I wouldn't mind seeing inside it for learning purposes really want to see where the whales would have gone Wouldn't pay for it tho
*Sapient Wisdom:* If you have been *groomed* to simply believe, you have no idea what has been taken from you. If you *chose* to believe, you have no idea what you gave away.
There's a debate? Ancient people's including Native Americans, Vikings, Druids, etc. all passed down legends and traditions by exchanging stories sitting around camp fires. Bible stories are of a similar nature. When someone wrote down those stories they became beliefs, just as with beliefs of other ancient people. So here we have a story book collection of camp fire stories written down now known as a bible. We all know what happens when stories are told. Distortions, misinterpretations, and exxagerations all play a role in the passing of time and yet with few attributable authors, and plausible explanations we're to believe every morsel and tidbit presented. Umm, no.
I absolutely loved the creationists little speech regarding how atheists make fun of creationists because the unicorn is mentioned in the bible and then explains how atheists are ignorant because "obviously" the unicorn in the bible is a rhinocerous blah blah blah. I loved it but definitely had to shake my head at the creationist strawmanship at work. Atheists are the ones who point out the rhinocerous meets the description of the biblical unicorn. Atheists laugh at creationists because the typical creationist actually does believe in the horse with a single horn version that is popular in fantasy novels and movies. It is amusing that he is trying to turn it around and paint atheists as the ignorant dumbasses. Atheists also point out the the Behemoth in the bible is not Sauropod but is most likely to be an Elephant or possibly a hippo. We also point out the Leviathan is not a Liopleurodon or a Mosasaur or some other marine reptile except for perhaps a Nile crocodile. The description matches a croc perfectly that there is no doubt. Please creationists, please please please be honest and refrain from such dishonest tactics of misrepresenting your opponants by projecting your own failings on them.
Unfortunately they do not exist but I always hold out hope that maybe one will decide to be honest some day. It is one of the great ironies of life that they claim to have some moral superiority yet they cannot engage without telling blatent falsehoods and twisting their opponants words around to misrepresent what they saying. I do understand that in the absence of any evidence to support their claims and the stories from their primitive book, they feel the only course left to them is to lie their pants off.
yet a small one in Puerto rico just collapsed due to the earthquakes. Good thing we have cameras and the internet now to record these things for evidence
I have a question that I have never seen in any discussion. As the water levels rose, people and animals would be forced to run to Higher Ground. Certainly some of these people and animals would have stumbled across the ark. People would have been begging and pleading to get a aboard, it would have been quite the chaotic scene. The question is how did Noah keep all these people from boarding his ship? Also how did he keep people from damaging his ship when he wouldn't let them aboard?
Good question. But my guess is Creationists would answer by saying that Noah, family, and animals boarded the ark, and the flood waters only rose at the end of that week (Genesis 7:7-10), so that they were already safely sealed off from any people wanting to get on at that point. I think that’s a possible explanation (assuming this whole foolish story was an actual event). My favorite question is, “How did the last two kangaroos get back to Australia?” No possible way.
I work with someone who thinks that there is "more empirical evidence" for the Ark story than not. After recovering from my incredulity I simply asked him two questions. 1) For the Noah story to be true its calculated that there would need to be about 2.5 times the total amount of water on earth. Where did the water come from? The "fountains of the deep"? How does that work? 2) Where the hell did all the water go? Back down?
Tshaaj Thomas here we go! So I'm not raising my kids Christian is child abuse? Because they'll have to go to hell? You said that was child torture... You believe in a god that created hell for his creation. No matter how you look at it. When we had kids I didn't dig a giant hole in the yard. I didn't try to tempt my kids into falling into the hole. I didn't ask a neighbor to try to lure them to the hole.... want to know why dumbass? Because I love my kids. That's right.. I'm better than God! I would never ever punish them longer than an hour .. let alone eternity. Jehovah God is a fucking dick... And you need to accept the fact that you are brainwashed idiot. Actually when you come out of it you're going to see how stupid you talk. It will be the best day of your life. Now if you would please.. Produce this proof of anything that any fucktard Christian ever fucking said in the history of the fucking world you motherfuking moron
The Bible says it happened that is good enough for any theist, and God made all of reality if he wanted to make more water on Earth to flood it and then remove it then its well within His power.
"No son, you already scratched the prow when you drove it into mount Ararad. Just borrow one of the pterodactyls when your brothers come back from Norway. "
Two aardvarks require more than 36,000,000 insects to eat in the time period they were supposed to be on the ark. Aardvarks favorite insect is the termite. At this point we have a 500 yr old guy, two hungry aardvarks and as many as 36,000,000 termites trapped on a boat.. This is the fun part... wait for it.. a WOODEN boat!! Next it's two pandas and their required 24,000 pounds of bamboo. Good news Noah! only 60,000 or so pairs to go!!
According to an article published on Ken Ham's website there were around 16,000 different species of animals supposed to be on the ark. Modern mathematical calculations show that around 12 TONS of animal waste would probably have been produced DAILY. According to the book of genesis there were only 8 people on the ark. Also according the book of genesis the ark only had ONE window that was one cubit square (approximately 18 inces), the rest of the ark was a completely enclosed structure. Are believers going to claim that a group of 8 people were able to shovel 12 TONS of shit out of an 18 inch window on a DAILY basis? THAT is the question I want answered.
wow. You really think 8 people could clean 12 tons of shit, after mucking it out and hauling up to an 18 inch window and stuffing it through EVERY DAY? When would they sleep? When would they eat? When would they actually feed the animals? When would you get anything else done. My point is, since you are TOTALLY missing it is..................it's physically, mathematically and logically impossible. The ark story isnt mean to be taken literally, it's a "morality tale" about sin, god's wrath, god's protection, obedience, etc. NOT A HISTORICAL EVENT.
.Uh, you didnt give a "simple" answer. You gave a "simpleton's" answer. "Do some study" you say. When did you DO SOME STUDY. I showed the physical, mathematical and logical impossibility of the ark yet you IGNORED IT. The ark encounter itself WONT FLOAT. The ark encounter is nothing more than a ridiculous tax ripoff designed as a tourist attraction.
As Captain James t Kirk once said what does God need a starship for. This god of the Bible must be the weakest and stupidest auperheroe if all time. He goes around and round correcting his own mistakes
Do they know how long it takes for the (slow) motion of plate tectonics to eventually change Earth's landscape in a significant way? I bring this up because they believe the total age of the Earth to be some 6000 years and yet they claim that Everest, the tallest mountain on the planet, gainned most of its height *AFTER* the Flood... Really?? If "Mental Gymnastics" was an olympic sport, creationists would be unbeatable!
Mark, the explosion I mentioned, is part of the religious belief of willfully ignorant, to explain complex everything from non-existent inanimate matter. In times past, the willfully ignorant attributed creation to the sun, moon gods. Now they've combined the power of the gods into one god, the Theory god. With imagination and Hollywood, this god can do anything, if you just believe and have faith.
Isaiah40:22 Are you referring to the “Big Bang “? If so, I should point out that there was no explosion large or otherwise. It was an expansion, quite different. I always feel that people weaken their position when they use the “Big Bang explosion” argument. Of course, if you were not referring to this, then please accept my apologies for making an incorrect assumption. Regards Mark
If all the many varieties of animal we have today, evolved from just the small number on the Ark then why do creationists deny EVOLUTION. You would certainly need evolution to get from 14,000 to the millions of different species we now have.
I loved your video. This is the first I've seen and I love the conversational and pleasantly confrontational angle. Cheers. Background: Nigerian, lived in Canada for 6 years; was born into christianity, always quarelled with it (especially the sleaze and creationism) and now atheist.
johnloves: I don't claim to know how the universe came into being. YOU claim to know it was a magician waving his magic wand and poofing everything in existence out of nothing. Do you have EVIDENCE for your claim or did you pull this sorcerer out of your ass ?
Koalas cannot eat “other” leaves. Their diets are extremely limited and their digestion is specially evolved for eucalyptus leaves, this is why they are so endangered, because they are simply unable to transfer from tree to tree.
I find it very telling that most of the comments below strongly oppose the Ark, whereas we hear from creationists only occasionally. If creationism were legit, I would have expected creationists to frequently, and effectively, defend all these criticisms. Instead, they pop up only occasionally and tend to make irrelevant points and hurl insults. You can argue scientific points till you are blue in the face and get nowhere with the creationist, because his source of truth is the Bible, not science. That’s why I personally prefer people watch the companion video “Debating Christianity in the Bible Belt,” which refutes Christianity itself, and Jesus himself, the _BASIS_ of their worldview and all their thinking.
For every one belief you struggle to disprove, thousands of new ones are created around the world. If you were smart, you would instead direct your attention to finding how the universe came into existence rather than running around trying to disprove various beliefs. When you see someone trying to disprove the Easter Bunny to children, you probably feel important that you work on trying to disprove more complex beliefs.
I strongly disagree with you. I do not think disproving a false belief only leads to thousands of new ones around the world. On the contrary, as archaic beliefs are refuted, there are less and less of them, and more and more of a trust in science. As I say at the beginning, the Bible Belt is not just a small section of the country, but almost the entire Southeast U.S. My guess is that you are among those who think Bill Nye wasted his time debating Ken Ham. My guess is that you do not live in the Bible Belt and have no idea what worldview predominates there. It’s very different from where I live in New England for example. How in the world would I myself do any good trying to find out how the universe came into existence, when thousands of brilliant scientists are already working on that? It’s fascinating work, but I think, for my abilities, I’m being smarter trying to convince people to give up traditional religious worldviews, in favor of either theistic, or atheistic, humanism. To me, that’s progress, and worthwhile. I agree that progress in science is hugely important, but so is refuting worldviews that hinder that progress. If given the choice between the usefulness of finding out what went on before the Big Bang, or having bad religion disappear, I’d pick the latter. The ark story is an essential part of conservative Christian theology. Refuting the ark is a key to refuting the conservative Christian worldview (the companion video “Debating Christianity in the Bible Belt.”)
Miklos Jako One of the great things about science is, we don't care if we we don't have the answers to everything. We don't need to have the answers to everything, because we're working on it and hope to find the answers. The whole "I don't know, therefore God" argument is, well, childish. I don't mind not having the answers to everything. Doesn't bother me at all. This paranoid 'have to have answers to everything now' is ridiculous. It must be magic. Gawd must have done it.
A debate about a fictuous ship where a 3 or families would be able to within 150 years to repopulate the earth. No man you can'' debate that wack stuff.
@@walterbushell6624 : I heard that the waters of the deeps came out. The temperature of the waters was 1500 C (2000 F) and it fucked everybody to death.
@@Tripserpentine you talk as if you know something for sure that no one else knows, like you witnessed something no-one else witnessed, who are you - a time traveller God or just another parrot repeating what teacher told you. And when all is still and u and I are gone, tell us then what is and what isn't - but you don't that, though you pretend you do? For sure life is a test... of something and if it isn't you win. But why would you stake all you have on annihilation. If you win u r also annihilated.
I'm glad there is an Ark story. When I talk to someone that believes the story is true, I have an indicator of how closed off and narrow minded they are. And I treat them accordingly. I walk away.
You must have lots of friends, you realize that over 3 billion people of the world believe in abrahamic religions. You're going to have to block out half the world, many of who hold tremendous power. Have fun with that.
I admire the effort, and even the attempt to be impartial. Indoctrinated children are very hard to indoctrinate. As adults, they would rather die than surrender their beliefs. But thanks for even trying.
re animal dispersal-noahs ark was an uber vessel, he dropped off the kangaroos and polar bears and penguins and stuff. lmao i have to stop watching these videos im going to die laughing. yeah im done.
So Australia and the Arctic and South and North America rose out of the waves first? At least enough to kick those critters off there? Makes perfect sense to me.
Then how come Antarctica,the Americas,and Australia were never recorded to exist until people discovered them,so Noah would have had to discover something unknown for thousands of years.
It IS a beautiful building , made with modern technology , but would it float ? And if it did float , for how long ? And how long would it have taken Noah to build something like this , with prehistoric tools , and where did Noah get that much wood from ? He must've cut down an awful lot of trees , it's no wonder there was a major flood after cutting all those trees down !
God: I'm going to flood everything because people are misbehaving and all living creatures will suffer. Giraffe points at whale: But he can swim, WTF? Tiger points at sky: Birds can fly, WTF? God discriminates and plays favorites. No thanks, I'll pass.
This video illustrates the biggest problem with young earthers. Sooner or later even they can’t twist fact to fit their beliefs so they resort to God did it. That’s fine for religion but science does not resort to uh magic.
"There is no refutation of Darwinian evolution in existence. If a refutation ever were to come about, it would come from a scientist, and not an idiot." - Richard Dawkins
Oh, what a wonderful man of god that Noah was. He hired all of the "evil and corrupt" people who were all doomed to die to help him with his escape from a murderflood by a supposed god of love. If this doesn't clue you in to the horrendous nature of this foul story I don't know what will.
Straw dummy argument. No one was "doomed to die", as you put it. Noah and his family proclaimed God's message of coming judgment by means of a great flood, as well as an invitation to all (whosoever will believe) who wanted to be delivered from that judgment to believe and come aboard the Ark. None came. They all rejected God's provision of salvation, just as the majority do today, and perished in their sins.
Ray, who is this ALL you speak of? This story is horrible! It doesn't account at all for those not in a position to make a choice. This god of yours has an extreme "with me or against me" mentality.
Although they used pest resistant engineered wood on the outside of this land boat, they used real wood for the posts inside it. I think I'll take some termites down in a jar and release them on the inside. Even though I would hate to give them a dime of my money to get inside, I think it would be worth it just for the fun factor.
I think Bill Nye's debate with Ham was a poor one. Nye didn't really use the best arguments, although he had rationality and science on his side. Ham failed only because he kept repeating one thing: I have this book here. To the hardcore believers, that was a positive mantra. To the lesser hardcore types, it looked embarrassing. It was also a poor debate simply because it was not held on neutral ground. Ham weaseled his way to getting tax benefits, and to hiring only people he wanted despite laws against the discriminatory practices. His ark's explanations are awful, yet all he does is say he is right because Genesis is right because if it's wrong then he is wrong. That's his entire argument. He believes because if Genesis is UNbelievable, then he can't trust the rest of the book, and he WANTS to believe the rest. Awful, indeed. He also openly denigrates science and scientific reasoning in a fallacious way. He says we can't trust science (to explain things contrarily to the bible, that is) because man is fallible. This is his whole argument! Obviously, he fails to consider the fact that he is equally fallible in trusting in the bible and that the writers were fallible as were its editors and compilers. Did you know he actually TAUGHT science before coming to the States? THAT'S unbelievable.
Thank you! Thank you! Thank you!.....I can't say that enough...What people like Ken Ham and this guy do by indoctrinating ignorance is just horrible....I hope a lot of these kids watch videos like this and hopefully begin the process of breaking free of the "Religious chains"...Thank you sir!!
There are much bigger battles to wage but....Is it right to call Ken Ham's structure a 'replica'? I don't see how it can be a replica if there wasn't an Ark in the first place. Calling it a replica sort of says there was one. Yeah, I know...picky, picky, picky.
Having that many animals in one confined space with little ventilation, everyone (especially the people and smaller creatures) would have swiftly succumb to methane poisoning.
The New Testament is supposed to be about 1,950 years old. The Old testament is 3,500- 5,000 years old. All of the oldest stories before Moses were oral traditions going back so one would be relying on many generations of story tellers to get it right before they started writing things down. So it's worse than you think.
If creationists deny speciation and evolution over periods of 100,000 years, how can a single pair of dog kind stepping off Noah's ark, produce new species of coyotes, wolves, dogs etc in 4000 years? That is way faster than evolution has been observed. Further, where did the genetic diversity come from after the genetic bottleneck of only two animals -- normally sealing species extinction.
It’s interesting they say they don’t trust what can’t be directly observed, and yet the assertions for what they claim happened aren’t mentioned in the bible, and have also never been directly observed. As far as the “I don’t see how such-and-such animals could have have behaved in such-and-such a way”, or any other argument... well, once you make the “Divine Intervention” assertion, they can basically plug that in to fill any holes. I don’t understand why they even bother trying to create plausible explanations.
Valentine Erindros .... To say something is "created" is to imply that there is (or was) a creator .... A creator implies a Being... Your question assumes a Creator Being exists ........ Is nucleation a creator? Do molecules have agency? Obviously NOT.... Is agency necessary? ... Must there be Gods in the image and likeness of Man?.... Do you accept that Athena gave life to the first man who Prometheus had shaped out of mud? Did the our local universe emerge by the will of Lord Brahma ?..... Do you suspect Yahweh had particular Gods in mind when he told the Israelites, you shell have no other Gods before me
+Valentine Erindros Actually, with virtual particles we literally see this all the time. But even if we didn't, it wouldn't prove god, and you'd still have to explain how god creates something out of nothing if your assertion is that something can't come from nothing.
Reasonable Speculation seriously, I was defending science against religitards. And by the way, the clay used by Prometheus was soaked in the blood of Uranus, the literal Sky Father, and that is what made his mini Titan-like figures come to life as the golden race of humanity in Greek mythology. Athena doesn’t come along until after Zeus takes over and the only human she has a hand in creating is Pandora, the first human woman in Greek mythology. And in case you are wondering, I do worship the Greek gods and goddesses, and it’s kind of like how George Carlin once said he was a sun worshiper
there is evidence for evolution in many fields. The DNA proofs alone are sufficient to demonstrate that all life has a common ancestor. You should study it, it's fascinating. Try "Evolution", Barton, Briggs, Eisel, Patel, expensive, but not as expensive as living your life in the belief that Noah's Ark is a plausible piece of history.
Great entertainment. “Mount Everest was much lower then”, he mentions plate tectonics for the recent elevation. If you use plate tectonics to corrobarate your naritive then you cant deny when it doesnt? The mid-atlantic ridge is about 200 million years old, its easy to calculate as its continue to spread an inch every year ... more or less. Did God created the earth with the ridge allready in place?
Ken Ham says... "The Bible is the unchanging word of God"... ok... And I say, 'The Odyssey' is the unchanging word of Homer. What's your point? My point is they are both unchanging fiction.
Yep, brilliant, really well researched and thought out and very funny. I'm not ashamed to say I even actually LOL'd. I bet you're an awesome chess player Miklos, you're at least 3 steps ahead each time. By presenting counter-arguments accumulatively like this the AIG guy undermines and weakens his own position with his answers. Ace'd it
Noah wasn't rich. Where did he get the money to pay for a dozen workers let alone a hundred. Mountains rise hundreds of feet over a few hundred years..Seriously?!
Excellent point. Creationists would likely respond that the Bible doesn’t say he WASN’T rich! But, it makes no sense to describe Noah as a “good” man without ALSO identifying him as a rich and powerful man. If God told the Pharaoh to build the pyramids, that might make sense. But to tell an ordinary Egyptian to do so, makes no sense, without mentioning the necessary money, power, and resources involved. Like Judge Judy says, “If it doesn’t make sense, it isn’t true.” Not to mention, where the heck did Noah get all that wood?
John Morris Reasonable people would say they're just claiming magic. Oh but the theists would correct you and say it was a god/divine intervention.. as if it were any different
Patrick Parker - "sent you a delusional spirit"? That makes the god in question seem like kind of a petty reprobate now doesn't it. God: "Hmmm, I could reveal myself to these atheists and so dispel his or her doubts to save their soul... nah I'll just curse them with with this delusion demon I just cooked up so they will burn forever. It will be a laugh. Why? Because I'm a loving god."
Wood in the form of trees was some of the most costly building material in the ancient world. Were did Noah get the money or whatever to obtain a forest worth of lumber?
The truly sad thing is that AiG is a joke to most other Christians. YECs are a loud little minority, and it's really easy to forget that most theists aren't any flavor of creationist, much less the young earth variety
Okay time for some logic lets say there was only 2000 animals total on the ark. The average amount of food required per day per animal was only one pound this would equal 1 ton or 2000 pounds per day. Multiply that times 80 days and you'd get 160,000 pounds of food. How many days would it have taken for Noah's family to gather 22857 pounds of food per a person an put it into the ark? Now how many days could this food stay fresh enough to eat?? After the great flood when all the animals left the Ark what did all the carnivorous animals eat? What did all the herbivores animals eat. Remember the only animals left in the world were on the Ark and all of the animals, trees and vegetation on the planet were destroyed.? Rational thinking leads to facts not faith.
Next up:
Debating The Tooth Fairy with A Dental Surgeon.
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Lol I want that video 🤣😆
Ut would be cute if you knew something but you are uneducated,
More like ... debating a carpenter with a chair.
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@edward king you have no education and you area dumbass. ignorant itte savage
So Noah hired outside contractors that weren't allowed on the ark. Here. Help me build this ship that saves my family. Screw yours. Seems legit.
Typical false accusation to justify your false belief ... Scripture says that Noah was always out preaching ... So NO they were invited, and he probably did it in person .... try again.
Douglass Miller so if the were invited why didn’t they come??
Noah throws out bags of gold coins and tells them to spend it quickly, then closes the hatch.
@@TairnKA HahaHAhaHAHAhAha....Is that shit really in that book of fantasmical fibbery? Please tell me that people don't actually believe that rancid crud.
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They didn’t get on the art because they didn’t believe Noah’s warning of the coming flood until its to late.
Logic and common sense are wasted on young earth creationists. I love how every contradiction in his abject nonsense is excused as "divine intervention,"
I got halfway through this and just couldn’t take any more. Most of the offered ‘explanations’ were simply post-hoc and akin to finding a piece of jigsaw puzzle down the sofa five years after you last completed a puzzle and then hammering into place with a ‘There! I knew it fitted!’
And the same thing could be told about you Atheists arguing with you guys is the same thing
Yes you actually believe non living rocks can make DNA by chance because they got wet.
@@brandonhudson4775 bless your heart
@@Dulc3B00kbyBrant0n you tried
If there was divine intervention available? What do you need an ARK at all to begin with??
Simon Randall IMAGINATION
@Vladimir Putin so you arent suppose to take it litterally.
@Vladimir Putin yes you can, its called time, you think the only way to have a fossil is just by just a flood? Cmon man.
@Vladimir Putin good day Sir, and remember it the global flood was true, then all the fossils should be in one layer but they are not.
To control people by using the devil's tool, FEAR!
What I don't understand is why god had to keep samples of the animals alive, why not drown them all and just start over or did he lose the ability to speak things into existence? Secondly, was it really necessary to keep samples of a damn mosquito?
@Roger Allison He made man in his image. Why couldn't he make something better than himself?
Very good point! This is similar to something I thought of not too long ago. How is it that god spoke everything into existence out of nothing. The universe, the earth, the planets, the animals and humans. Yet he ordered his peasant servants to build everything he wanted. The ark, the temple, the second temple, the ark of the covenant. When it came to the Ten Commandments god told Moses that he would inscribe them with his own finger. Not only did Moses have to hew the tablets out of stone but then Moses had to chisel the words into the stones.
why drown it at all when it could just 'delete file' and start over?
One might as well ask why God had to do anything in any context.
To the tri-omni God nothing is truly necessary because he can do or change anything in any way at any time.
It gets pointless asking most Christians why God did or didn't do something because they say we aren't supposed to judge God and his ways are mysterious.
Wouldn't it be a great joke on all of us if God actually created the Universe 5 minutes ago. Since he's omnipotent he can create it with all the attributes of an old universe and implant false memories etc.
A more relevant question is does the God of the bible really represent the qualities that it attributes to him?
he told noah "look, i did all this once, if you expect me to go about creating things from scratch every time i fk up then we'll be here forever"
There is a comic I saw, I wish I had a link to it. First frame: Noah says to himself, "it sure smells like crap! Let me get a candle and have a look" Second frame Noah lights a match. Third frame the Ark explodes with the caption: "Noah discovers methane".
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You can’t argue with magic!
i love flathearters and creationnists. They help me feel a bit less of a moron.
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My favorite bit is when he says everyone was vegetarian, then goes on to say that they probably stored dried meet and fished.
Every one was a vegetarian pre-flood and became omnivores post - flood.
@@nikkimcdonald4562 So our canine teeth were useless before the flood? What about the enzymes needed to digest meat? Did those just magically come about at the same time? The fossil evidence severely and thoroughly debunks your junk. Maybe it's time for you to invest in some education.... put the fictional myth stories away and grasp reality.
@@mrcurly1147I'm not going to waste any time on you, and try and educate you.
Sorry you are so ignorant 😕
@@nikkimcdonald4562 At least I'm not gullible.
@@nikkimcdonald4562 The Dark Ages called. They miss you and want you to come back.
"Noah's family probably did a lot of fishing"
Through ONE porthole? Yeah, right. What did they use for bait -- the last minnows, worms, or mayflies?
I just wonder what the hell they did when it came time to muck out the stalls.
They ate anything they wanted !
And just what, pray tell, kept the hungry carnivores from eating them?
And no-one has explained where they kept all the tonnes of food to feed the animals.
Wayne Elliott . Silly, they didn't store any food . They had it delivered and catered !
Arguing with a creationist is like arguing with a worn brake rotor
johnloves jesus. Do I hear some squealing from the right rear?
johnloves jesus - thank you for demon-strating how ugly you cultists are. And how do you know weaseldragon is an atheist?
johnloves jesus : But what if you're arguing with yourself about the argument, will it solve anything?
I don't know. I argued with two worn brake rotors yesterday. They quickly agreed to come off my friends truck and get taken to the dump. I think worn brake rotors may actually be smarter than creationists.
Ha Ha Ha Ha, that is absolutely brilliant, thank you....
There is little point in debating a creationist. No matter what arguments you may use, the creationist will never change his mind. He will never accept any fact that conflicts with his belief.
Yeah, for sure there is a huge amount of truth to what you say. However, the goal of most religious debates is not to change the mind of the person you are debating, but to get the arguments on the table so that UNDECIDED viewers can make a more informed choice for themselves. So, for me, though change is glacial, it’s worth the effort. I think Bill Nye did the right thing to agree to debate Ken Ham. Also, note that a creationist may present an unshakable façade, but I cannot help but think in private moments he may well think, “You know, that guy made some good points.” I once had a Jehovah's Witnesses write me a letter 20 years after I talked to him, telling me he left his religion.
And THIS is what makes his belief so dangerous. The fact he is teaching any and all children in his sphere of influence, and thereby THEY will grow up as misinformed as he is.
I disagree on You Tube there are atheists who were once dye in the wool YTC then they had an epiphany that there beliefs were just a bunch of BS. Take for example Viced Rhino, Paulologia Telltale among others. There may be hope for Creationists yet.
@@enki354 Or take the 65% of Nobel laureates from 1901 - 200 who identify themselves as Christian. Or from 1974 +, 9 in physics; 11 in chemistry; 22 in physiology/medicine. Or Raymond Damadian, inventor of MRI, former atheist, who should have received Nobel (according to laureate). Or Francis Collins. The A-list minds in science, literature, law, art have largely been Christians. E.g. Shakespeare's last will and testament: "My Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ."
All these Christians with there discoveries never proved the Bible or Intelligent Design!
Why did this god guy kill billions of innocent animals? What sins did those animals ever commit?
What, animals cheat each other at cards?
Them double ruffled grouse should have been more devout, damnit.
A Christian told me all the animals died because all the ones that died were engaged in having sex with humans. That is when I put my hands in the air and gave up.
... but not the evil fish. Any fish that were sinful got away scott free.
@macsikar Mackay Just don't go checking his hard drive.
So Noah hired a bunch of workers to build the Ark, but didn't let them board and save them?
Lol like henchmen in a James Bond movie.
There was no contractors on this job.the work was done over many years.
Isn't "kinds" producing species an admission that evolution happens?
Yes, great point :-)
Not in the sense that atheist evolutionists mean. KIND produces species of the same kind. Meaning a pair of dogs can make different kinds of dogs, but NEVER reptiles like evolutionists think. Kind means family or genus. Adaptation and natural selection cannot make an animal jump genus or family. It doesnt show on the microscope, and it doesnt show in the fossils. Saying that a whale and an extinct land animal are related because of a similar skull shape is like saying that a jeep and a truck are related because they have same tires or similar fuel tanks. It's wishfull thinking to prove your theory right, so you can keep indulging your sins and vices and feel like youre doing ok, like theres not gonna be an accounting for your actions.
@@oldscorp The thing that you creationists don't understand is, that you all live in your creationist bubble. All credible scientists, in all countries in the world, of any religion whatsoever (or no religion) have agreed on the theory of evoultion. And for over a hundred years, not a single scientist has brought forth any evidence of evolution not being true, or even thought of a different theory that could be held up against peer review.
And on a side note: I don't understand how you always have to sway away from the discussion about (pseudo-)science to your view that everyone who doesn't live according to your belief wants to indulge in sin, a belief which is not only wrong but also claims that you are the only valid deonomination of the christian faith.
@@oldscorp No "evolutionist has ever said that a pair of dogs can produce a reptile.
@@oldscorp Arguing with a creationist is like challenging a wheelchair user to a race up a ladder.
"Science textbooks change every year, but we believe in the unchanging word of God."
Textbooks "change" because of several reasons:
1) new information has been added since the previous editions, so students need to be kept up to date. Right?
2) new information since the previous edition modifies or nullifies earlier hypotheses, so students need to know this. Right?
3) mistakes were caught that didn't get caught in earlier editions. We wouldn't want students to be taught erroneous material. Right?
4) school boards argue over what should go in. Sometimes the creationists are in charge and win; sometimes reason wins. So, it's a struggle to maintain consistent information.
The bible HAS changed over the centuries. After its formation/compilation by committee, which took a lot of arguing and compromise, there was material added. Also, translations occurred, and mistakes were made in doing that. Also, there are now many versions, not just the King James Version, so people get different INTERPRETATIONS and WORDING. Don't tell me everything is exactly as it was when the bible stories were originally put together. It isn't.
Dan Dan
Yeah. He was kind of saying that.
Pay attention
There were two versions of the KJV. One of them somewhat famously got some of the pronouns wrong between shes and hes, so not inerrant.
then, there other "Holy Books" that are "the word of god" despite the obvious problem that they contradict each other.
Scientific textbooks change because new things have been learned and they want college kids to spend more money. Religious books don't change because they fictional not factual. Simple as that !
Religious books don't change because they are fictional not factual. College books change because they've learned new information as well as they want the college kids to spend more money on books because our system is so capitalistic.
When radiocarbon dating agrees with scientific expectations..."
STOP! Scientists don't presume. They do the measurements, compare to other dating techniques, evaluate whether it makes sense (not meets their preconceived notions), and then decide whether to accept the value.
Scientists manipulate their data to find the answers that their study finders pay them to find. At one time, doctors and scientists promoted smoking as the healthy choice. Of course we would all agree smoking is bad for our health now. Likewise, scientists find what they are looking for. Follow the funding and your will find the root of the theory.
@@crystalmartin2973 oh yeah , and the Eath is flat too ?
@@davecannabis Well scientists did believe the earth was flat for a long time. However, the Bible clearly tells you that the earth is round. The book of Isaiah says, ""He stretches out the north over empty space; He hangs the earth on nothing." Job 26:7 (NKJV) "He sits enthroned upon the circle of the earth" Isaiah 40:22*
@@crystalmartin2973 the last time anyone near the sea thought the earth was flat was prior to any amount of sailing. And the last time any 'scientists'(if you can call them that prior) thought it was flat was prior to ancient greece.
@@crystalmartin2973 there may well be unscrupulous scientists about, but when it comes to facts you have to publish and those publications have to be verified, there is a difference between "opinions scientists have" and "facts scientists have". one is tested by law and slander laws, the other by peer review.
The bible says that God regretted his creation of man. Therefore he is less than perfect and not omniscient . How can you trust someone who makes mistakes?
IKR! That would explain that mess of an error with that devil he created that he’s desperately trying to save us from.
As you can see God is not that smart. Actually, man is God! Man can fix everything sooner or later. God is an invention of man! That is a fact!
Oh, you and your facts! If there is one thing the bible has taught us it is that Christians don't believe in facts!
Question.. if i am called an atheist because i do not believe in god then what do you call someone who does not believe in facts?
That’s a good question.
Are you the same kitty that does that awesome artwork?
Man wrote the bible .. NOT God . and we know how reliable man is .
Well done . I amazes me how these people always have an answer, no matter how stupid or uninformed .Indoctrination is an awesome reality !
Oh god, yes!
"the sea level was lower back then" (24:28) - what? the sea level was lower immediately after a global worldwide flood? What is he smoking?
It seems God can do anything , except appear to anyone or speak a spoken language.
Vegetarian T-Rex. Haha. I've heard it all now.
And jesus rode the vegetarian T-Rex with an Uzi in each hand.
LITERALLY "in" his hands by the way.
Red Hunteur : Why? Because MAGIC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! If we literally believe all these fairy-tales for grown-ups sprinkled with magic, well then everything is possible, right? Right? Right? Right? Right?
When was the last time you examined the contents of a T-Rex stomach?
Pfffft
You’ve not even heard of the burning dinosaur nostrils conjecture
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sure....T-Rex(s) eat vegetarians
imagine the stinking ammonia smell that builds up inside the ark. and methane from feces.
no animals would survive the deadly fumes. lol
12:59 "We belief the earth was created in 7 days". So, they don't even know their own fantasy story. It was 6 days, not 7!
Funnily enough plants (Gen 1:11) are also older than the sun (Gen 1:16) which indicates that god got its tactics a bit wrong because all plants would have instantly become extinct in temperatures approaching absolute zero if there was no sun.
Day one of creation/regeneration begins at the spring equinox which also marks the beginning and ending of the world/aeon/age/YEAR.
It's also funny that science has already proven the order in which bible describes the creation of the universe is well as most of us here know false. I also personally find it hilarious the bible says the Stars & Sun were created @ separated times but yet we all know even most Christians that the Sun is in fact a star lol
The first six "days" of "creation" begin at the spring equinox and end at the fall equinox. These "days" are months of 30 degrees each in the Zodiac used by these writers. The first day is Aries, the second day is Taurus and so on. They represent the time of the year when light is greater than darkness. The first six nights are the winter months and are symboled by the seas. The biblical creation story is repeated every year and cannot be historical.
@@capie44 which absolute ZERO, as it is different for every element, absolute zero fro hydrogen is not the same for absolute zero fro helium
Your section on waste. I drive semi I'm no expert but take a look at an empty bull truck next time you're filling at a truck stop. The amount of waste from a days drive will blow your mind. I just can't believe conservapedia/Ken Ham on this issue. I don't believe they understand the true scope of the problem.
Absolutely agree with you.
I find the elephant running on the treadmill with all of the poop HILARIOUS. The poor guy at the bottom would probably be dead in minutes from the methane/oxygen mixture.
James Price I don't know why TH-cam decided it would tell me about the comment before yours and after but not you. So apologies I'm so late. These animals are in small cages. They are going to be laying in this shit. A sloped floor isn't going to do umm shit. Now you have to wash these animals on the daily or risk any small injury becoming infected and sickness spreading. Yep the tiny crew of this massive ark has got this!
are you saying that's a lot of bull shit?
Bullshit
Horseshit
Pigshit
Bearshit
etc etc
This debate summed up:
"How do you explain this clear flaw in the story?"
"Oh, that's easy, it was magic"
Easy, if there is a supernatural, miracle-working God (as many believe) He can performs supernatural as part of his nature. Next question?
Ray Winsor the problem is that never happend
And piss poor magic at that. A decent D&D magic user could do better.
"to debate with a creationist" is in essence an oxymoron
A man called “Christian Philosopher” commented: "The story of Noah and the flood is an accurate account of a real event in history. To say that it could not have happened is a failure of intelligence, understanding, resourcefulness, and imagination."
I engaged with him extensively, trying to explain to him why I think he is flat wrong. On every issue, he missed the point. I finally summarized our respective positions on 7 key issues, and asked him to correct me if I have misunderstood his positions. He responded, “You have totally misrepresented what I said, and there is no need to repeat myself.”
I answered, “Oh, noooo, no, no, no! You don’t get to summarily claim victory and run. I specifically asked you to CORRECT ME if I misunderstood your positions. So, either you clarify what I have misrepresented, and succinctly state your actual position, or my summary gets pinned at the top of the comments for good, as is.” He declined, confidant that he had made the better case.
Fine. So here is that summary:
KANGAROOS - I said two kangaroos could not have gotten to the Middle East and back to Australia. You say people could have transported them. I say people at the time had neither the means nor motivation to do so. You say, it could easily have been a miracle of God’s doing. I say, invoking a miracle is not a convincing argument to rational people, any more than it would be in a court case.
IMMORAL ANIMALS - I said only a cruel God unnecessarily drowns millions of animals. You said they had it coming for their immoral decisions. [“…many animals cohabited with other species not of their own kind… Humans had created such a wild debased habitual cohabitation in the nature of animals themselves, the next generation of animals had become so perverse, like humans had become perverse.”] I say, attributing guilt to all the animals of the world, is a ludicrous idea.
OSTRICHES - I said your God is wrong about ostriches, in describing them as uncaring parents. You referred me to an article that said your God was describing ostriches not as they are but as MAN viewed ostriches. I say, no, He wasn’t. The context (Job 39:1-17) shows the biblical God was methodically describing the creatures He made, AS HE MADE THEM. And He describes ostriches… incorrectly. Thereby proving this is man speaking, not God.
DAVID’S ONLY SIN - I said David disobeying God’s commands TWO TIMES (2 Sam 24:10) contradicts the Bible’s claim that he committed only ONE sin all his life (1 Kg 15:5). You said, “It does not say sin, it says anything he commanded him, two totally different things.” I said, no, biblically, sin and disobeying God are the very same thing. Thus, the contradiction stands; one does not equal two.
DAVID - GOD’S MAN - I said David - a fornicator (2 Sam 5:13), corpse mutilator (2 Sam 4:12, 1 Sam 17:51) and murderer (2 Sam 11:15) - was an immoral man. You say he was a man after God’s heart, because the Bible says so. I say such a God is utterly unworthy of worship.
PEOPLE AS PROPERTY - I said a God who refers to people as “property” of other people, is unworthy of worship. You said God is “dealing with slavery not condoning it.” I say if He says, (Lev. 25:44-46) “Moreover you may buy the children of the strangers who dwell among you… and they shall become your property,” then He IS condoning slavery. A real God would never refer to people as “property.”
HELL - I said a God who tortures sentient beings forever (Hell) is NOT a loving God. You claim people have it coming; they deserve such a fate for not believing in Jesus.
“Christian Philosopher” signed off, by doing what he had done all along, arguing by mere assertion, appeal to authority, and quoting irrelevant Christian bromides. “The love of wisdom proves to be the love of God. In this world of which he is Lord, we should expect to find truth everywhere. And wherever we find it, we may count that truth God's.”
If you are a Creationist, do you honestly think this man makes a reasonable case? He does not. I only take him seriously because so many of you still believe this nonsense. www.confrontingbelievers.com/
@@rodharris9490 You are an idiot through and through. Congrats!
Christain philosopher deleted his posts and ran away.
@@rodharris9490 Magic? I dont believe in such things. I am an atheist, i believe the scientific method is the best technique we have to accurately map our reality. I dont need to be a trained scientist to understand science, there are no authorities in science. I have a masters degree, so yeah, im educated.
Noahs ark is bullshit.
@@rodharris9490 So, you think that all that posturing is going to do the work of demonstrating that you are correct no matter what? Like i will be intimidated by your great intellect or something?
Created? The Universe doesnt show any of the halmarks of design. It likely wasnt created, it was formed most likely from completely natural sources.
Who i am has nothing to do with the discussion at hand. Any logical human being who doesnt have to resort to fallacious logic to demonstrate their position would know this.
Water is the chemical compound. Knowledge of this doesnt make somebody automatically wrong or right about any given substance. Pointless exercise.
Being an existentialist, a hippie, or any other cultural label has nothing to do with the fact that the biblical flood and Noah's ark never happened. You are all over the place man!
I dont particularly care that you taught ceramics. It has nothing to do with anything. I got you beat on that though. Im a watercolor painter, a working fine artist and i teach adults drawing and painting classes as well. I also work with wood, mostly dioramas, canes, hiking staffs, and wood ring jewelry. All much, much, more difficult to master than ceramics. But hey, thats nice for you i guess.
@@rodharris9490 No, no you are very wrong. We have no idea what the state of the universe was like before the plank time. At this point, we are somewhat blocked from understanding the exact parameters and state of the univese before the plank time. Time as we know it seems to slow and even stop. We do not know much about the universe in its state before the expansion. The cosmic microwave backroud radiation is the remanants of the energy of the expansion event we call the big bang. Sure, it is a marker for how long ego the expansion state of the universe began, but its not the true age of the universe itself. The compressed state of the univese before the big bang could be eternal. Because time began with the expansion of time and space at the moment of the big bang, we cant address age or time regarding the universe because time didnt exist before the big bang. You are ignorant.
Did i say anything about light? You do know that light appeared at the same time as the other forces, the nuclear forces, and gravity. Light is simply a form of energy that is emitted as electromagnetic radiation. Light wasnt created, its a fundemental effect of electromagnetic radiation, its really a sort of physical absolute. It wasnt created.
You have no idea what you are talking about. So when i said you were an idiot, boy was i right!!!
Don't you just love the creationist's response to every implausible scenario?
'Well, there was PROBABLY some divine intervention going on here.' The sheer amount of 'there could have beens', and 'it's possibles' is simply astounding.
Talk about a get-out-of-jail-free card!!
And the divine intervention card is really all they need, when they try filling 1/2 in with silly guesses and then claim divine intervention for the stuff they really can’t, it just cheapens everything.
Also, who knew Noah used Day Labor? :p
johnloves jesus The global flood is in fact NOT a fact, and EVERY scientific field (Geology, Climatology, Paleontology, Biology, etc.) disputes it.
johnloves jesus you seem to trust science, you use the Internet, I think you also believe in cars, airplanes, antibiotics, probably because you see them working everyday, but physics, chemistry, geology, biology, palaeontology are all part of the same science, they all use the same scientific methodology to find the truth. Yet you choose to believe the bible, when you don’t even know who the authors were, when it was first written down. You choose to believe in a worldwide flood because your bible say so, even though at that time those people didn’t have a written record yet the Egyptians and Chinese who had a written record don’t report any worldwide flood. I know you will always use the ‘g0d did it with magic’ excuse but if your g0d is all knowing he’d have known how much trouble he would cause his followers so why didn’t he just wipe out Everyone and start again? Maybe you should look at other creation myths and when you see how crazy they are you will appreciate how atheists see yours (and obviously theirs). If you want to know what’s true you will have to educate yourself, as Jesus said (in the parable of the talents) don’t waste your talents, better to use them and loose them than just bury them.
Having had this debate with family members I always respond with: If God used magic at every impossible task then why didn't he just magic away all the people he was mad at? Seems like a waste of magic resources to me.
But he did, everyone survived but he killed Noah and his family to work on the ark forever for his drunkeness
We reject science because we were not there...
They weren’t there for the ark event either.
Michael Gogo except we HAVE observed evolution. And myth is not historical documentation. Or do you pray to Zeus to protect you from lightning?
The establishment of a Scientific process didn't exist till I believe the 12th century, maybe 10th but not earlier so referring to "science" earlier then that is like referring to a computer in the first century (Hm... that went into a circle or globe). ;-)
The Sea level was lower and there were land bridges??? Just after a worldwide flood??? What a maroon!!!
You mean "Moron"?
I think you all forgot a main theme ,that out of the engineering perspective it will not float .
Otherwise you would have built a floating "replica" that floats ....but you didn't...because it carn't .
It would float. It will not sail. You could float it in a still lake for a short time. If you put it in the ocean the waves would tear it apart in a short time. The pieces would still float and since you didn't make it that far out you could paddle back to shore.
It would easily float.
that is THE most annoying part of all this
@@rs72098 prove it
The thing about only having two of every “kind” of animal would have created a genetic bottleneck due to every animal pair would have to be incestuous after their first offspring were sexually mature, and that’s assuming that anything else in that story happened like the Bible says
IF THERE WERE ONLY 2 OF EACH KIND//THEY HAD TO HAVE DAMN GOOD LUSK TO HAVE NOT LOST ANY IN ALL THE THEY WERE CAGED UP WITH NO SUN LIGHT
frank odonnell no need to yell, man. I’m not known for advocating biblical literalism you know, I frequently bash those that do
Humans also started with only two individuals.
Coy Hampton yea, and then Cain and Abel got married, TO WHO?!
Valentine - to each other, of course. Marriage equality, celebration of love and all that. The bible just won't tell you it happened.
Noah's Ark is the story of the christian god's failure. It was a deliberately planned failure by a perfect god that cannot make a mistake. The final blow to his credibility came when he blamed his beloved children for his own failure and decided to drown them.
So Yahweh, the Jewish god and Jesus' father, is a jealous, angry, incompetent, narcissistic psychopath. And yet, he is loving, caring, wise, forgiving, compassionate, generous, and sacrificial.
This is the kind of schizophrenic literature that pushed me into atheism.
James - agreed, though religion is about bondage. Spirituality is freedom and there are other avenues to explore this. Religion has made god into the image of man and they are too stupid to understand that is the greatest blasphemy of all.
You forgot about the first two failures, the ones preceeding the "Jesus-fix," and the predestiny of the biblical temper-tantrum called " Armageddon. "
In the entirety of all Middle Eastern religions, God does not create even one soul to His Expectations.
Same here brother
@@wayneelliott1180 Nope. You torally missed the whole point. Go away. I have no more tolerence for stupidity on this thread left.
@@jasonbladzinski5336 - who are you telling to go away? WTF do you think you are? Stop practising that megalomania against people you don't know. Stoopid.
What a waste of tax dollars I would not pay 40 cents to see this crap let alone over $40 , no wonder its going bust.
Lee B I'm an atheist I wouldn't mind seeing inside it for learning purposes really want to see where the whales would have gone
Wouldn't pay for it tho
+El Negro whale's?
Mike Luther : Yes, two of every '' kind'. That also includes aquatic mammals.
+Fredrik Sundberg really they wouldn't need saving from a flood! hope you are joking!?
Mike Luther : Really, how so? So it's two of every kind? ( Except for aqutic mammals?) How so? Really? So what would they eat?
*Sapient Wisdom:* If you have been *groomed* to simply believe, you have no idea what has been taken from you. If you *chose* to believe, you have no idea what you gave away.
These people are painful to listen to. It's all magic and speculation, that's all they got.
The damage of the GOD faith might be permanent.
There's a debate? Ancient people's including Native Americans, Vikings, Druids, etc. all passed down legends and traditions by exchanging stories sitting around camp fires. Bible stories are of a similar nature. When someone wrote down those stories they became beliefs, just as with beliefs of other ancient people.
So here we have a story book collection of camp fire stories written down now known as a bible. We all know what happens when stories are told. Distortions, misinterpretations, and exxagerations all play a role in the passing of time and yet with few attributable authors, and plausible explanations we're to believe every morsel and tidbit presented.
Umm, no.
If anything, the building of this theme park has shown how ridiculous a real ark really is
I absolutely loved the creationists little speech regarding how atheists make fun of creationists because the unicorn is mentioned in the bible and then explains how atheists are ignorant because "obviously" the unicorn in the bible is a rhinocerous blah blah blah. I loved it but definitely had to shake my head at the creationist strawmanship at work. Atheists are the ones who point out the rhinocerous meets the description of the biblical unicorn. Atheists laugh at creationists because the typical creationist actually does believe in the horse with a single horn version that is popular in fantasy novels and movies.
It is amusing that he is trying to turn it around and paint atheists as the ignorant dumbasses.
Atheists also point out the the Behemoth in the bible is not Sauropod but is most likely to be an Elephant or possibly a hippo.
We also point out the Leviathan is not a Liopleurodon or a Mosasaur or some other marine reptile except for perhaps a Nile crocodile. The description matches a croc perfectly that there is no doubt.
Please creationists, please please please be honest and refrain from such dishonest tactics of misrepresenting your opponants by projecting your own failings on them.
Unfortunately they do not exist but I always hold out hope that maybe one will decide to be honest some day.
It is one of the great ironies of life that they claim to have some moral superiority yet they cannot engage without telling blatent falsehoods and twisting their opponants words around to misrepresent what they saying. I do understand that in the absence of any evidence to support their claims and the stories from their primitive book, they feel the only course left to them is to lie their pants off.
ajs1031 I’ve met many. Most creationists, not the cult leaders like Ham the average schmuck, isn’t dishonest they are just deeply ignorant.
"There were land bridges back then."
And no evidence of them survived. Bunk!
yet a small one in Puerto rico just collapsed due to the earthquakes. Good thing we have cameras and the internet now to record these things for evidence
@@TKO67 So wheres the evidence for the land bridge that enabled the kangaroos to get back to Australia after getting out of the ark.
I have a question that I have never seen in any discussion.
As the water levels rose, people and animals would be forced to run to Higher Ground. Certainly some of these people and animals would have stumbled across the ark. People would have been begging and pleading to get a aboard, it would have been quite the chaotic scene.
The question is how did Noah keep all these people from boarding his ship? Also how did he keep people from damaging his ship when he wouldn't let them aboard?
Good question. But my guess is Creationists would answer by saying that Noah, family, and animals boarded the ark, and the flood waters only rose at the end of that week (Genesis 7:7-10), so that they were already safely sealed off from any people wanting to get on at that point. I think that’s a possible explanation (assuming this whole foolish story was an actual event). My favorite question is, “How did the last two kangaroos get back to Australia?” No possible way.
I work with someone who thinks that there is "more empirical evidence" for the Ark story than not. After recovering from my incredulity I simply asked him two questions. 1) For the Noah story to be true its calculated that there would need to be about 2.5 times the total amount of water on earth. Where did the water come from? The "fountains of the deep"? How does that work? 2) Where the hell did all the water go? Back down?
Brammy007a look up oceans under the crust of the earth
Brammy007a
They will just come up with more bullshit
Tshaaj Thomas here we go!
So I'm not raising my kids Christian is child abuse? Because they'll have to go to hell? You said that was child torture...
You believe in a god that created hell for his creation. No matter how you look at it.
When we had kids I didn't dig a giant hole in the yard. I didn't try to tempt my kids into falling into the hole. I didn't ask a neighbor to try to lure them to the hole.... want to know why dumbass?
Because I love my kids. That's right.. I'm better than God! I would never ever punish them longer than an hour .. let alone eternity.
Jehovah God is a fucking dick... And you need to accept the fact that you are brainwashed idiot. Actually when you come out of it you're going to see how stupid you talk. It will be the best day of your life.
Now if you would please.. Produce this proof of anything that any fucktard Christian ever fucking said in the history of the fucking world you motherfuking moron
The Bible says it happened that is good enough for any theist, and God made all of reality if he wanted to make more water on Earth to flood it and then remove it then its well within His power.
God is the basis of morality so is above mortal standards of morality and above reproach regarding His actions, no mortal can judge Him.
25:28 "IF THERE'S GOD, HE CAN CERTAINLY DO WHATEVER MIRACLES ARE NECESSARY"
Really? I'm speechless!!
Kangaroos taken by people? Everyone was dead! Ok, one family was alive. I can see it now. Dad, can I borrow the ark?
Use your imagination , that is the evolutionary mind set isn't it .
"No son, you already scratched the prow when you drove it into mount Ararad.
Just borrow one of the pterodactyls when your brothers come back from Norway. "
LOL
Don't forget that they had to travel a big ocean to arrive to the holly land in order to get rescued by Noa... ;)
Did I miss a plausible explanation for how they got enough fresh water? Any idea how much water a buffalo drinks? trust me, it's alot
Funny how they didn't put Ken Hams boat on the water, and you need to see the other side to really appreciate the bs of the thing.
Two aardvarks require more than 36,000,000 insects to eat in the time period they were supposed to be on the ark. Aardvarks favorite insect is the termite. At this point we have a 500 yr old guy, two hungry aardvarks and as many as 36,000,000 termites trapped on a boat.. This is the fun part... wait for it.. a WOODEN boat!!
Next it's two pandas and their required 24,000 pounds of bamboo. Good news Noah! only 60,000 or so pairs to go!!
We know the weather for the last 100 years. We have calibrated the ice cores. The bands are summer/winter.
According to an article published on Ken Ham's website there were around 16,000 different species of animals supposed to be on the ark. Modern mathematical calculations show that around 12 TONS of animal waste would probably have been produced DAILY. According to the book of genesis there were only 8 people on the ark. Also according the book of genesis the ark only had ONE window that was one cubit square (approximately 18 inces), the rest of the ark was a completely enclosed structure.
Are believers going to claim that a group of 8 people were able to shovel 12 TONS of shit out of an 18 inch window on a DAILY basis? THAT is the question I want answered.
wow. You really think 8 people could clean 12 tons of shit, after mucking it out and hauling up to an 18 inch window and stuffing it through EVERY DAY? When would they sleep? When would they eat? When would they actually feed the animals? When would you get anything else done.
My point is, since you are TOTALLY missing it is..................it's physically, mathematically and logically impossible. The ark story isnt mean to be taken literally, it's a "morality tale" about sin, god's wrath, god's protection, obedience, etc. NOT A HISTORICAL EVENT.
.Uh, you didnt give a "simple" answer. You gave a "simpleton's" answer. "Do some study" you say. When did you DO SOME STUDY. I showed the physical, mathematical and logical impossibility of the ark yet you IGNORED IT. The ark encounter itself WONT FLOAT. The ark encounter is nothing more than a ridiculous tax ripoff designed as a tourist attraction.
They took the to Hollow Earth
"there were not that many dinosaur kinds, only about 50 or 90".
PROVE IT!
As Captain James t Kirk once said what does God need a starship for.
This god of the Bible must be the weakest and stupidest auperheroe if all time. He goes around and round correcting his own mistakes
Scott Garvie he should have taken a diploma in ‘creating ‘before he set the ball rolling - and an anger management course would have been useful
“The Ark Encounter” has just opened proceeding to sue their insurance agency for rain damage.
Just like Noah did after the flood.
To the property not the ark itself
@@DylanSmith-sv1kt Folks like Rim just like being spoon fed. Not interested in reading and fact finding
The Ark wasn’t meant to get wet? 😂
@@adamwuksta3255 insuance has nothing to do with the ark. smh
I find it utterly amazing the assumptions AIG makes without an ounce of evidence and try to state it as fact. Unbelievable.
I just wonder, what happened to the millions of insects and all the freshwater fish?
Surely they would also have to be on the ark.
Do they know how long it takes for the (slow) motion of plate tectonics to eventually change Earth's landscape in a significant way? I bring this up because they believe the total age of the Earth to be some 6000 years and yet they claim that Everest, the tallest mountain on the planet, gainned most of its height *AFTER* the Flood... Really??
If "Mental Gymnastics" was an olympic sport, creationists would be unbeatable!
Jimmy I agree, it's much easier to believe that rocks came alive from an explosion of nothing then God did it.
Isaiah40:22
What is this explosion you mention?
Best regards
Mark
Mark, the explosion I mentioned, is part of the religious belief of willfully ignorant, to explain complex everything from non-existent inanimate matter. In times past, the willfully ignorant attributed creation to the sun, moon gods. Now they've combined the power of the gods into one god, the Theory god. With imagination and Hollywood, this god can do anything, if you just believe and have faith.
Isaiah40:22
Are you referring to the “Big Bang “?
If so, I should point out that there was no explosion large or otherwise. It was an expansion, quite different. I always feel that people weaken their position when they use the “Big Bang explosion” argument.
Of course, if you were not referring to this, then please accept my apologies for making an incorrect assumption.
Regards Mark
Mark, regardless of what you call the pagan Catholic priests theory, it's mathematically impossible and down right stupid.
If all the many varieties of animal we have today, evolved from just the small number on the Ark then why do creationists deny EVOLUTION.
You would certainly need evolution to get from 14,000 to the millions of different species we now have.
You would need to have more than 10 new species to emerge every day. Not counting plants.
I loved your video. This is the first I've seen and I love the conversational and pleasantly confrontational angle. Cheers.
Background: Nigerian, lived in Canada for 6 years; was born into christianity, always quarelled with it (especially the sleaze and creationism) and now atheist.
A hard question ? Christians invoke MAGIC and magic can do ANYTHING ! Problem solved.
It's not magic, it's MIRACLES! This is something compleeeeeetely different, reaaaallly!!! (sarcasm mode off)
johnloves: I don't claim to know how the universe came into being.
YOU claim to know it was a magician waving his magic wand and poofing everything in existence out of nothing.
Do you have EVIDENCE for your claim or did you pull this sorcerer out of your ass ?
Koalas cannot eat “other” leaves. Their diets are extremely limited and their digestion is specially evolved for eucalyptus leaves, this is why they are so endangered, because they are simply unable to transfer from tree to tree.
I find it very telling that most of the comments below strongly oppose the Ark, whereas we hear from creationists only occasionally. If creationism were legit, I would have expected creationists to frequently, and effectively, defend all these criticisms. Instead, they pop up only occasionally and tend to make irrelevant points and hurl insults.
You can argue scientific points till you are blue in the face and get nowhere with the
creationist, because his source of truth is the Bible, not science. That’s why I personally prefer people watch the companion video “Debating Christianity in the Bible Belt,” which refutes Christianity itself, and Jesus himself, the _BASIS_ of their worldview and all their thinking.
Miklos Jako Well said. Because they simply have no defense. Thanks for the upload.
For every one belief you struggle to disprove, thousands of new ones are created around the world.
If you were smart, you would instead direct your attention to finding how the universe came into existence rather than running around trying to disprove various beliefs.
When you see someone trying to disprove the Easter Bunny to children, you probably feel important that you work on trying to disprove more complex beliefs.
I strongly disagree with you. I do not think disproving a false belief only leads to thousands of new ones around the world. On the contrary, as archaic beliefs are refuted, there are less and less of them, and more and more of a trust in science.
As I say at the beginning, the Bible Belt is not just a small section of the country, but almost the entire Southeast U.S. My guess is that you are among those who think Bill Nye wasted his time debating Ken Ham. My guess is that you do not live in the Bible Belt and have no idea what worldview predominates there. It’s very different from where I live in New England for example.
How in the world would I myself do any good trying to find out how the universe came into existence, when thousands of brilliant scientists are already working on that? It’s fascinating work, but I think, for my abilities, I’m being smarter trying to convince people to give up traditional religious worldviews, in favor of either theistic, or atheistic, humanism. To me, that’s progress, and worthwhile.
I agree that progress in science is hugely important, but so is refuting worldviews that hinder that progress. If given the choice between the usefulness of finding out what went on before the Big Bang, or having bad religion disappear, I’d pick the latter.
The ark story is an essential part of conservative Christian theology. Refuting the ark is a key to refuting the conservative Christian worldview (the companion video “Debating Christianity in the Bible Belt.”)
Miklos Jako One of the great things about science is, we don't care if we we don't have the answers to everything. We don't need to have the answers to everything, because we're working on it and hope to find the answers. The whole "I don't know, therefore God" argument is, well, childish. I don't mind not having the answers to everything. Doesn't bother me at all. This paranoid 'have to have answers to everything now' is ridiculous. It must be magic. Gawd must have done it.
Miklos Jako And the the Ark is a mediocre story. But a story nonetheless.
"The Ark Encounter" is not a replica. it doesn't float. When they build a ark that's sea worthy then we can have a debate.
A debate about a fictuous ship where a 3 or families would be able to within 150 years to repopulate the earth.
No man you can'' debate that wack stuff.
I hear a guy in Denmark built an ark but not as big as this. It sits in the water. He hasn't gone into the ocean and faced nasty weather of course.
@@louistournas120 And then ye Flood was the great to the 69th power grandmother of all storms.
@@walterbushell6624 :
I heard that the waters of the deeps came out. The temperature of the waters was 1500 C (2000 F) and it fucked everybody to death.
@@Tripserpentine you talk as if you know something for sure that no one else knows, like you witnessed something no-one else witnessed, who are you - a time traveller God or just another parrot repeating what teacher told you. And when all is still and u and I are gone, tell us then what is and what isn't - but you don't that, though you pretend you do? For sure life is a test... of something and if it isn't you win. But why would you stake all you have on annihilation. If you win u r also annihilated.
Thank you Mr Jako for your patience.
I'm glad there is an Ark story. When I talk to someone that believes the story is true, I have an indicator of how closed off and narrow minded they are. And I treat them accordingly. I walk away.
You must have lots of friends, you realize that over 3 billion people of the world believe in abrahamic religions. You're going to have to block out half the world, many of who hold tremendous power. Have fun with that.
@@rs72098 border line stupidity to believe this
I admire the effort, and even the attempt to be impartial. Indoctrinated children are very hard to indoctrinate. As adults, they would rather die than surrender their beliefs. But thanks for even trying.
Things were not different 4000 years ago. Animals and fish cannot change that quickly. ALL fish are highly sensitive to pH, salinity, and hardness.
I'll never goto either of these places, but thanks for reinforcing the fact that they're both absolutely insane.
re animal dispersal-noahs ark was an uber vessel, he dropped off the kangaroos and polar bears and penguins and stuff. lmao i have to stop watching these videos im going to die laughing. yeah im done.
So Australia and the Arctic and South and North America rose out of the waves first? At least enough to kick those critters off there? Makes perfect sense to me.
Then how come Antarctica,the Americas,and Australia were never recorded to exist until people discovered them,so Noah would have had to discover something unknown for thousands of years.
Goldfish_Overlord TheFirst
And, strangely, forgotten about again immediately afterwards.
It IS a beautiful building , made with modern technology , but would it float ? And if it did float , for how long ? And how long would it have taken Noah to build something like this , with prehistoric tools , and where did Noah get that much wood from ? He must've cut down an awful lot of trees , it's no wonder there was a major flood after cutting all those trees down !
God: I'm going to flood everything because people are misbehaving and all living creatures will suffer.
Giraffe points at whale: But he can swim, WTF?
Tiger points at sky: Birds can fly, WTF?
God discriminates and plays favorites.
No thanks, I'll pass.
This video illustrates the biggest problem with young earthers. Sooner or later even they can’t twist fact to fit their beliefs so they resort to God did it. That’s fine for religion but science does not resort to uh magic.
"There is no refutation of Darwinian evolution in existence. If a refutation ever were to come about, it would come from a scientist, and not an idiot." - Richard Dawkins
Tax the churches. Use the money for Medicare for All.
Oh, what a wonderful man of god that Noah was. He hired all of the "evil and corrupt" people who were all doomed to die to help him with his escape from a murderflood by a supposed god of love.
If this doesn't clue you in to the horrendous nature of this foul story I don't know what will.
Nice aneurysm you just had. How you feelin', brown shirt?
gts3004 AiG inferred that Noah hired others to help. If you are saying they are wrong maybe you should be taking that point up with them.
Straw dummy argument. No one was "doomed to die", as you put it. Noah and his family proclaimed God's message of coming judgment by means of a great flood, as well as an invitation to all (whosoever will believe) who wanted to be delivered from that judgment to believe and come aboard the Ark. None came. They all rejected God's provision of salvation, just as the majority do today, and perished in their sins.
Ray, who is this ALL you speak of? This story is horrible! It doesn't account at all for those not in a position to make a choice. This god of yours has an extreme "with me or against me" mentality.
Ray Winsor Buuuuttt.... god said that he would only save noah and his family. Soooooo????
why would noah's family 'probably (do) a lot of fishing' (21:15) when (according to AIG) they didn't eat meat until after the flood ended?
Samantha Cruz: All the fish (two of them) were on the ark according to creationists so they wouldn't have had much luck fishing :-)
Although they used pest resistant engineered wood on the outside of this land boat, they used real wood for the posts inside it. I think I'll take some termites down in a jar and release them on the inside. Even though I would hate to give them a dime of my money to get inside, I think it would be worth it just for the fun factor.
Science asks questions that may never be answered, religion preaches answers that may never be questioned.
Convince creationists with logic is like teaching atom physics to a cow.
I think Bill Nye's debate with Ham was a poor one. Nye didn't really use the best arguments, although he had rationality and science on his side. Ham failed only because he kept repeating one thing: I have this book here. To the hardcore believers, that was a positive mantra. To the lesser hardcore types, it looked embarrassing.
It was also a poor debate simply because it was not held on neutral ground.
Ham weaseled his way to getting tax benefits, and to hiring only people he wanted despite laws against the discriminatory practices. His ark's explanations are awful, yet all he does is say he is right because Genesis is right because if it's wrong then he is wrong. That's his entire argument. He believes because if Genesis is UNbelievable, then he can't trust the rest of the book, and he WANTS to believe the rest. Awful, indeed.
He also openly denigrates science and scientific reasoning in a fallacious way. He says we can't trust science (to explain things contrarily to the bible, that is) because man is fallible. This is his whole argument! Obviously, he fails to consider the fact that he is equally fallible in trusting in the bible and that the writers were fallible as were its editors and compilers. Did you know he actually TAUGHT science before coming to the States? THAT'S unbelievable.
Thank you! Thank you! Thank you!.....I can't say that enough...What people like Ken Ham and this guy do by indoctrinating ignorance is just horrible....I hope a lot of these kids watch videos like this and hopefully begin the process of breaking free of the "Religious chains"...Thank you sir!!
There are much bigger battles to wage but....Is it right to call Ken Ham's structure a 'replica'? I don't see how it can be a replica if there wasn't an Ark in the first place. Calling it a replica sort of says there was one. Yeah, I know...picky, picky, picky.
Having that many animals in one confined space with little ventilation, everyone (especially the people and smaller creatures) would have swiftly succumb to methane poisoning.
Now this was really good work done by Miklos. Profoundly and thoroughly interviewed and investigated.
'Again, there was probably some divine intervention here'....and here, and here, and there, and there too, and here, and..........
What kind of omnipotent god needs a do over?
"we reject interpretation of facts"...but interpreting the 2,000 year old book is fine.
The New Testament is supposed to be about 1,950 years old. The Old testament is 3,500- 5,000 years old. All of the oldest stories before Moses were oral traditions going back so one would be relying on many generations of story tellers to get it right before they started writing things down. So it's worse than you think.
No they don’t interpret they believe it exactly as written in English, except when they do interpret it lol
If creationists deny speciation and evolution over periods of 100,000 years, how can a single pair of dog kind stepping off Noah's ark, produce new species of coyotes, wolves, dogs etc in 4000 years? That is way faster than evolution has been observed. Further, where did the genetic diversity come from after the genetic bottleneck of only two animals -- normally sealing species extinction.
It's super duper fast magic Jesus fingers evolution.
It’s interesting they say they don’t trust what can’t be directly observed, and yet the assertions for what they claim happened aren’t mentioned in the bible, and have also never been directly observed.
As far as the “I don’t see how such-and-such animals could have have behaved in such-and-such a way”, or any other argument... well, once you make the “Divine Intervention” assertion, they can basically plug that in to fill any holes. I don’t understand why they even bother trying to create plausible explanations.
Almost everything they assert could have happened, has never been observed to, in fact, actually happen.
Yea, that’s the one thing nobody ever sees: anything being created out of nothing
Valentine Erindros .... To say something is "created" is to imply that there is (or was) a creator .... A creator implies a Being... Your question assumes a Creator Being exists ........ Is nucleation a creator? Do molecules have agency? Obviously NOT.... Is agency necessary? ... Must there be Gods in the image and likeness of Man?.... Do you accept that Athena gave life to the first man who Prometheus had shaped out of mud? Did the our local universe emerge by the will of Lord Brahma ?..... Do you suspect Yahweh had particular Gods in mind when he told the Israelites, you shell have no other Gods before me
+Valentine Erindros
Actually, with virtual particles we literally see this all the time.
But even if we didn't, it wouldn't prove god, and you'd still have to explain how god creates something out of nothing if your assertion is that something can't come from nothing.
Reasonable Speculation seriously, I was defending science against religitards. And by the way, the clay used by Prometheus was soaked in the blood of Uranus, the literal Sky Father, and that is what made his mini Titan-like figures come to life as the golden race of humanity in Greek mythology. Athena doesn’t come along until after Zeus takes over and the only human she has a hand in creating is Pandora, the first human woman in Greek mythology. And in case you are wondering, I do worship the Greek gods and goddesses, and it’s kind of like how George Carlin once said he was a sun worshiper
"Divine intervention." i.e. _magic_
Floated on logs! Hahaha hahaha hahaha hahaha hahaha hahaha hahaha hahaha hahaha hahaha hahaha hahaha hahaha hahaha!!!
The whole Ark story is preposterous and could not have been possible without a lot of magic.
And that coming from an evolutionist , now that's funny .
Idiot.
there is evidence for evolution in many fields. The DNA proofs alone are sufficient to demonstrate that all life has a common ancestor. You should study it, it's fascinating. Try "Evolution", Barton, Briggs, Eisel, Patel, expensive, but not as expensive as living your life in the belief that Noah's Ark is a plausible piece of history.
ajs1031 Yep!! 😂😂 They're all moronic asshats.
paul morgan . Argentina ?
Great entertainment. “Mount Everest was much lower then”, he mentions plate tectonics for the recent elevation. If you use plate tectonics to corrobarate your naritive then you cant deny when it doesnt? The mid-atlantic ridge is about 200 million years old, its easy to calculate as its continue to spread an inch every year ... more or less. Did God created the earth with the ridge allready in place?
Ken Ham says... "The Bible is the unchanging word of God"... ok...
And I say, 'The Odyssey' is the unchanging word of Homer.
What's your point?
My point is they are both unchanging fiction.
Yep, brilliant, really well researched and thought out and very funny. I'm not ashamed to say I even actually LOL'd. I bet you're an awesome chess player Miklos, you're at least 3 steps ahead each time. By presenting counter-arguments accumulatively like this the AIG guy undermines and weakens his own position with his answers. Ace'd it
Noah wasn't rich. Where did he get the money to pay for a dozen workers let alone a hundred.
Mountains rise hundreds of feet over a few hundred years..Seriously?!
Excellent point. Creationists would likely respond that the Bible doesn’t say he WASN’T rich! But, it makes no sense to describe Noah as a “good” man without ALSO identifying him as a rich and powerful man. If God told the Pharaoh to build the pyramids, that might make sense. But to tell an ordinary Egyptian to do so, makes no sense, without mentioning the necessary money, power, and resources involved. Like Judge Judy says, “If it doesn’t make sense, it isn’t true.” Not to mention, where the heck did Noah get all that wood?
John Morris Reasonable people would say they're just claiming magic. Oh but the theists would correct you and say it was a god/divine intervention.. as if it were any different
A ten year old would not of said what you just said , God has surely " sent you a delusional spirit "
Patrick Parker - "sent you a delusional spirit"? That makes the god in question seem like kind of a petty reprobate now doesn't it.
God: "Hmmm, I could reveal myself to these atheists and so dispel his or her doubts to save their soul... nah I'll just curse them with with this delusion demon I just cooked up so they will burn forever. It will be a laugh. Why? Because I'm a loving god."
Wood in the form of trees was some of the most costly building material in the ancient world. Were did Noah get the money or whatever to obtain a forest worth of lumber?
Once we figure out whether faith is the cause...or the result...of insanity, we might discover a way to cure both.
divine intervention... total crock..
Poor answers in genesis trying so hard to bring truth to this fairy tale
They could give a shit about the truth. They just want to make some money.
The truly sad thing is that AiG is a joke to most other Christians. YECs are a loud little minority, and it's really easy to forget that most theists aren't any flavor of creationist, much less the young earth variety
Okay time for some logic lets say there was only 2000 animals total on the ark. The average amount of food required per day per animal was only one pound this would equal 1 ton or 2000 pounds per day. Multiply that times 80 days and you'd get 160,000 pounds of food. How many days would it have taken for Noah's family to gather 22857 pounds of food per a person an put it into the ark? Now how many days could this food stay fresh enough to eat??
After the great flood when all the animals left the Ark what did all the carnivorous animals eat? What did all the herbivores animals eat. Remember the only animals left in the world were on the Ark and all of the animals, trees and vegetation on the planet were destroyed.?
Rational thinking leads to facts not faith.
The bible is nothing but fables...