@@bpop2148 i think the one with sraams was more doable against since you could use your rockets as flares and missile it if you had aim9b's since it had no flares. But the AV8A could definitely score kills from way further away while being inmune to missiles. I think it's more carcinogenic.
I gotta say, playing any 11.3 vehicle at the moment, you are CONSTANTLY uptiered into 12.0 and 12.3 and I face these all the time together with F-14s and its becoming really rough. You dont have the countermeasures to carry mixed, so many games I die to simply running out of chaff/flares. The warthunder matchmaker really needs to change. Yeah, the battles getting smaller would solve many of these issues, but I still think some things need to be enforced, like the ratio of uptiers/downtiers being more consistent across the board or that it still can happen that enemy can have 4 top tiers and you only have 1 from that specific battle.
I saw like 2 frames of fireball from your perspective exactly before jumping into the next clip. Now I know you don't die, but you should be very careful about that so other people don't get the wrong idea.
@DEFYN i dont blame you. It is the worst stock grind i have ever experienced and thats me grinding in sim. Its not even the fox 3's that give trouble. Its the fact that the airframe is so bad that when you do get to a merge, if your missile has been flared. You are dead. Your decision to not fly it is one in favour of your mental health and sanity.
Appalling stock grind that the average user of it probably doesn't have spare GE just to throw at the problem Plus you are gonna get smacked by everything else in the merge Not to mention no HMD. In my opinion, this thing is as balanced as it would get at 12.3, because at 12.7, that would be pretty overtiered
@@grahh7234 i really appreciated when people dogfought me because the av8b always came on top, and since most people launch and forget about their amraams they're easier to deal with than radar guided missiles but having two aim9l's til you literally get all the performance mods is quite mind numbing.
@@kingghidorah8106 yeah people seriously underestimate how potent the harrier actually is in a dogfight, i managed to beat an f15c in a dogfight in air simulator, we were both down to guns too
The viffing actually helps especially with turning inside of someone whos choosing to fight you in a close knife fight, you can turn inside everyones circle and have the acceleration to keep up with them. In regards to the gun its the same gun the LM used later for the 35 so ofc its good
I've only been riding the BR12.0 for the past week, but I haven't had a single 13.0 top match. 12.3 was 70% and 12.0 was 30%. Among them, I was shot down from 12.3 HARRIER..
Defyn. I have been watching you and playing war thunder for a while now. Your videos are the reason why I keep playing even though it is on ps5. Plus it is fun when I get the "uncled" lobbies.
Alright imagine us swooping in like superhero chefs, flipping burgers and launching AIM120s like they're gourmet condiments Lunch break just leveled up to epic proportions
I went back to rearm and I try taking off as soon as I got to past the runs way I got hit by at least 8 aim120 with no chance to evade , he was 15 km out
I know it’s not the same plane but does anyone notice the Harrier GR7 has 9Ms now at 11.7? I think honestly that’s pretty goated, I know with the F14A most of the time I get down tiers than uptiers which slapping F4s with a 9M is hilarious
I remember back in 2021 I could just climb to space in my harrier then harass migs. It seems I can now climb to space and harass migs in a harrier once more
This plane has the worst stock grind in game. Its literally impossible. Not only is it a dogshit airframe but you also have to unlock an absurd amount of research mods before u can even get good missiles. You basically have to spade the whole plane before u can get aim9m and aim120. This means for the majority of the stock grind u will have 2 aim9l and bombs and get absolutely shat on every game before u can get any points. I gave up on it. The pain isnt worth it.
4th time asking a question from a returning player : Defyn, in your opinion, what is the bvest metric to see if you are doign well in a plane : win ratio, k/d ratio; kills per game ??? In the old days, with nation-locked maps and Flavor of the Month, we tended to dismiss win ratio, but now is it a better indicator of skill or not ?
Its a combination of everything: More kills doesnt mean you play better it can mean you play too agressive for kills and die/lose games Kd can mean you pick off easy targets and take 0 risk making you lose games Or that you just take 0 risk and get 1 kill every other game just to make sure you dont die Winrate can say a lot but with the 16v16 meta a big part of this is down to your team. All of these factors also dont count during what meta you played them. 1 stat being high and the other 2 being bad mostly means you are trying to inflate it. Theres plenty people with 10+KDs that arent good at the game The easiest way i guess is kills per battle + how many deaths you have in relation to losses If you have 50 losses but 200 deaths you die too much If you have 50 losses and 25 deaths you dont take enough risk At the end of the day dont look at the stats in itself. The number doesnt matter just try to make it go up without playing like a rat.
yeah and they gonna propably nerf this harrier and move it to 12.7 or 13.0 where its gonna be just weak, they should move f-15c su-27sm etc to 13.3 or even 13.7 why i should play f-16c when i can play with f-15c?
I think I wouldn't prefer this meta even if it was 6v6 or 8v8. Simply because to me, the low-medium altitude high adrenaline head-on joust gameplay was more fun than locking someone up and letting my missile do its thing. I am getting 3-5 kills every match but I'm not having fun.
You talk a lot about not being able to multipath anymore. Last time I wasn't seeing enemies multipathing and I only really saw myself multipathing but now I constantly see everyone doing it. It's not gone. It's just more tedious.
I got skill checked by one of these the other day and decided it's time to put my time into other games. Can't say i won't be back in a year or sooner but right now it just ain't that fun.
*Sees the last F-14 just spamming missiles uselessly* "Why do these bozos play like this, surely they'll see it doesn't do shit--" *F-4 dies* "Oh, right"
Thank God I'm too poor (and couldn't spend enough time to grind through 4 different TTs simultaneously) to play anything above 7.7 lol. At least there's no AMRAAM down here.... right?
This thing will be disgusting in sim battles.. or it would have been if there was a br bracket that put it on top. Sadly I don’t think that’s the case anymore.
Now when you play the M4K it feel like you are with a stick in WW2. Even with the 530D i barely get 1 kill. So I hope they seperate fox3 and non Fox3 plane soon.
Flying low to the ground (In WT this is 60m) causes a radar shadow of your aircraft to appear underneath your actual altitude. This can cause radars to lead their missiles into the ground. It's reliable a if somewhat dangerous way to defeat radar missiles
The HARRIER horror from 2020 is back in an all new shiny FOX-3 Slinging horrorfest!
This is bearable, the old Premium Harrier with AiM-9Gs against planes without flares was Pure Cancer
@@aghressor Not aim-9Gs, SRAAMs
@@bpop2148 i think the one with sraams was more doable against since you could use your rockets as flares and missile it if you had aim9b's since it had no flares. But the AV8A could definitely score kills from way further away while being inmune to missiles. I think it's more carcinogenic.
@@kingghidorah8106 sraams were 10 times worse than aim9gs but both were still cancer
@@aghressor no it was the Harrier GR1 with SRAAMS lmao
the hover sosig that went on a diet
Radal reference????
shut up
@@airlightshockZOV who?
Defyn didn’t die once this entire video, this truly must be the meta jet
He died
@@esqueletoplays9684 never saw it
@@esqueletoplays9684 Didn't see it either
@@anneallison6402he crashed into a tree around 2:04
Nope didnt die, never have
110.000:0 for real
no funny dutch pilots were harmed during the making of this video, DEFYNitely not
nope not at all XD
1:58 this is some DCS type shit
This is hilarious imo lol
shit
2:02 AIM-120A jumpscare
I gotta say, playing any 11.3 vehicle at the moment, you are CONSTANTLY uptiered into 12.0 and 12.3 and I face these all the time together with F-14s and its becoming really rough. You dont have the countermeasures to carry mixed, so many games I die to simply running out of chaff/flares.
The warthunder matchmaker really needs to change. Yeah, the battles getting smaller would solve many of these issues, but I still think some things need to be enforced, like the ratio of uptiers/downtiers being more consistent across the board or that it still can happen that enemy can have 4 top tiers and you only have 1 from that specific battle.
I’ve been playing 11.3 and I almost exclusively get downtiers
@@averageatwarthunderyour one of the only one as I have the same issue as this guy in over 40 games I have gotten TWO 10.3-11.3 games.
@@averageatwarthunder Buy a fucking lotto ticket then, because you wont get any luckier.
I play the J-8F and it is at least 85-90% up-tiered, maybe 5% at 12.7, and maybe 4.682% at 12.3
Yeah 8.0 -13 needs decompressing to at least 8.0 - 13.7
Truly riveting gameplay coming out of this plane
here after the title misspelling hasn't been fixed yet
What was it
@@grahh7234smoking fentanyl in a fast food bathroom while playing warthunder
why did my comment get so many likes and a heart 💀 i was so incredibly faded at the time
I saw like 2 frames of fireball from your perspective exactly before jumping into the next clip. Now I know you don't die, but you should be very careful about that so other people don't get the wrong idea.
2:04 fucking made me spit my coffee
5:38 there's a bug currently where ARH missiles will follow TWS track even if it goes off gimbal, so it could have just missed
🤔
You will fly the Sea Harrrier
Cope
@@DEFYN hopium
@DEFYN i dont blame you. It is the worst stock grind i have ever experienced and thats me grinding in sim. Its not even the fox 3's that give trouble. Its the fact that the airframe is so bad that when you do get to a merge, if your missile has been flared. You are dead.
Your decision to not fly it is one in favour of your mental health and sanity.
I dont understand how there's sea harriers I mean can't a normal VTOL land on a carrier just fine
@@albertogiavani75Sea variant gets a radar lol
Appalling stock grind that the average user of it probably doesn't have spare GE just to throw at the problem
Plus you are gonna get smacked by everything else in the merge
Not to mention no HMD.
In my opinion, this thing is as balanced as it would get at 12.3, because at 12.7, that would be pretty overtiered
this plane would be fun at 10.3 with four aim9g's
The stock grind on av-8b wasn’t that bad and I didn’t use any ge
@@grahh7234 i really appreciated when people dogfought me because the av8b always came on top, and since most people launch and forget about their amraams they're easier to deal with than radar guided missiles but having two aim9l's til you literally get all the performance mods is quite mind numbing.
@@kingghidorah8106 You get the saer harrier at 10.7 with 4 aim9ls
@@kingghidorah8106 yeah people seriously underestimate how potent the harrier actually is in a dogfight, i managed to beat an f15c in a dogfight in air simulator, we were both down to guns too
lmao this video dropped at a perfect time! I was thinking on what nation to grind and this was one of the things I wanted but was not sure about.
Unless you’re close to it, expect it to go up in br soon
Right now if looking for air only, go USA or go home
@@gnaruto7769britain is strong too if arb only
using the trees for that missile was superb.
The viffing actually helps especially with turning inside of someone whos choosing to fight you in a close knife fight, you can turn inside everyones circle and have the acceleration to keep up with them. In regards to the gun its the same gun the LM used later for the 35 so ofc its good
J8F now also gets a few fox 3's at 12.3, its pretty funny but only gets 2 of them + 4 pythons
Defyn’ the laws of physics in the funny balloon jet
I sure wasn't expecting an AIM120 jumpscare in my Mirage F1C
It's payback for giving the poor 10.3s a Magic II jumpscare
The stock grind on this thing is horrendous
Turd party machine - I like that!
69th dookie dumper video
You can dodge any kind of radar missile in the harrier by going vtol
Rise the bar of top tier Air to 14.0
They should've raised it to 14.0 when the F-16 was added. It should be more like 16.0 now. Maybe even that's too low.
@@j100jdo you remember the April fools event Rank X? T90m abrams...qere 16.0.....thats how it should've been
I mean there’s 13.7
I've only been riding the BR12.0 for the past week, but I haven't had a single 13.0 top match.
12.3 was 70% and 12.0 was 30%.
Among them, I was shot down from 12.3 HARRIER..
This plane looks beautiful
Defyn. I have been watching you and playing war thunder for a while now. Your videos are the reason why I keep playing even though it is on ps5. Plus it is fun when I get the "uncled" lobbies.
only having 11 min of that very entertaining content should be illegal
Love fighting these in my 11.3 mirage f1c
so its the good old SRAAM days
I wonder if Defyn will make a video on the F-15J MSIP II. I agree its technically the same plane but I want his opinion on the AAM-4s
I managed to have a game with 5 kills and 3 of them were VTOL gun kills. I love this jet.
The Harrier with the AIM-120s is... pretty much a flying, long range SAM site if you think about it.
I've given up expecting Gaijin to do the right thing. Or the decent thing. Or even the comprehensible thing.
Alright imagine us swooping in like superhero chefs, flipping burgers and launching AIM120s like they're gourmet condiments Lunch break just leveled up to epic proportions
If you hover you are invincible
Me when the gun
@@DEFYN no need for a gun, you have a ramming device close by.
@@DEFYN implying the average missile thunder player knows what a gun is
gaijin making it even harder to dodge missiles while literally hugging the trees is so fucking diabolical
Would be cool if Gaijin made a ''Top Tier, Guns Only'' mode.
this thing is just a10 all over again, I just can't
Ok
@@aleski6506 Keep○
a10 was way worse than this thing will ever be lol
@@alkatraz9514 a10 on release at 9.7 was absolute bollocks, then it got moved to 10.3. This thing will happen to suffer the same fate.
@@kingghidorah8106 i meant to say that it was way more op than the harrier
Modern planes in WT were a joke before, but what the f**k ... welcome to Ace Combat Online!
U should still only be able to fight AMRAAMs with other AMRAAMs
Although I agree this is wild to have at its br. As a French pilot, this hasn’t affected me much at all , my M2K enjoys harrier food.
I love this jet. Even at 13.0 it's good. You just need to be methodical and choose your battles.
With the summer sales now here, there should be even more 11.3 downtiers from the premium players flooding in
You should test out the silly strat of hover notching, the radar loses lock and the amraams miss if you just stay still with VTOL
Pity they don't have the Viffing mechanic sorted out for the Harrier!
Tried my almost Stock F14a almost unplayable for me and clearly a Skill issue. Got 5 Times in a row killed by 120a or phoenix
Oh f14A absolutely slaps right now once you get aim7F
I am glad you decided to address this. I noticed it’s horrible here at 11.3
Got killed by Hazeyy today while he was flying the AV-8B+
AV8B+ lacks of data-link, sea harrier still have some reason to try no?
I went back to rearm and I try taking off as soon as I got to past the runs way I got hit by at least 8 aim120 with no chance to evade , he was 15 km out
I know it’s not the same plane but does anyone notice the Harrier GR7 has 9Ms now at 11.7? I think honestly that’s pretty goated, I know with the F14A most of the time I get down tiers than uptiers which slapping F4s with a 9M is hilarious
Are you going to try "hovering in the middle of the map" strat?
Gaijin adding 12.3 AMRAAM carriers is just a shiny F to the 3 gens
I remember back in 2021 I could just climb to space in my harrier then harass migs. It seems I can now climb to space and harass migs in a harrier once more
This plane has the worst stock grind in game. Its literally impossible. Not only is it a dogshit airframe but you also have to unlock an absurd amount of research mods before u can even get good missiles. You basically have to spade the whole plane before u can get aim9m and aim120. This means for the majority of the stock grind u will have 2 aim9l and bombs and get absolutely shat on every game before u can get any points. I gave up on it. The pain isnt worth it.
Are you joking? Look at the FA2's stock grind.
It's absolutely awful but I'm not sure anything can compare to Jaguars. Why the fuck did I keep then talisman the Jag E
poor little war thunder player cant sling his undertiered shit at other planes from the get go
@@guyperson6567 They aren't even that good on the harrier. I would take the f14 pheoenixes over the harrier aim120 any day
Tornado F3 late stock grind:
It is illegal. But that's never stopped Gaijin.
Worse is that USA got the av8bplus(which is a good thing) which means there will be a lot more amraam slinging harriers in battles
every plane, is a good plane if its played by Defyn. (Except for the AV 8c)
Awh i was looking forward to a sea harrier rant video
DEFYN do you know anything about the sales for consoles? They aren't here yet..
just bought a f1c-200 for grind and the AV8 is a real pain i hate it
Remember: the british one has the B variants
Theyre the same 😇
@@DEFYN ah, i was wondering about that, thanks
Honda fireblade review in AMRAAM meta WHEN
review on f16am?
Yeah, just too much to cover rn
Have you seen the video of a dude doing BVR while hovering to notch missiles perminently
Yeah kinda funny
@@DEFYN new guide idea?
@@jerry250ify bvr yes hovering no lol
@@DEFYN :(
Wish we could switch cons radar elevation with a button
Pretty sure you can
I am just lazy
You can
4th time asking a question from a returning player :
Defyn, in your opinion, what is the bvest metric to see if you are doign well in a plane : win ratio, k/d ratio; kills per game ???
In the old days, with nation-locked maps and Flavor of the Month, we tended to dismiss win ratio, but now is it a better indicator of skill or not ?
When the game doesn't feel frustrating
I've always gone off k\d because you can't really solo a win and sometimes a match just plays out in such a way that you live but get 0 kills
Its a combination of everything:
More kills doesnt mean you play better it can mean you play too agressive for kills and die/lose games
Kd can mean you pick off easy targets and take 0 risk making you lose games
Or that you just take 0 risk and get 1 kill every other game just to make sure you dont die
Winrate can say a lot but with the 16v16 meta a big part of this is down to your team.
All of these factors also dont count during what meta you played them.
1 stat being high and the other 2 being bad mostly means you are trying to inflate it. Theres plenty people with 10+KDs that arent good at the game
The easiest way i guess is kills per battle + how many deaths you have in relation to losses
If you have 50 losses but 200 deaths you die too much
If you have 50 losses and 25 deaths you dont take enough risk
At the end of the day dont look at the stats in itself. The number doesnt matter just try to make it go up without playing like a rat.
combo of the 3 honestly
yeah and they gonna propably nerf this harrier and move it to 12.7 or 13.0 where its gonna be just weak, they should move f-15c su-27sm etc to 13.3 or even 13.7 why i should play f-16c when i can play with f-15c?
Can someone please tell my why PLEASE. Why is this at 12.3 but not the f4f ice
😂 harrier carrying amraams is smth i thought id never see
Is there anything you can do if you get locked through mountains?
could you make a video about the mig29g and its current sitatuion?
I think I wouldn't prefer this meta even if it was 6v6 or 8v8.
Simply because to me, the low-medium altitude high adrenaline head-on joust gameplay was more fun than locking someone up and letting my missile do its thing.
I am getting 3-5 kills every match but I'm not having fun.
You talk a lot about not being able to multipath anymore. Last time I wasn't seeing enemies multipathing and I only really saw myself multipathing but now I constantly see everyone doing it. It's not gone. It's just more tedious.
They should just redo every BR from the ground up
Hello Mr DEFYN, Do you have a guide to good keybinds? :)
Remember to trust him guys!!!! He can not get shot down!!!!
Absolutely relatable Fox3 moments XD
Could you make a video about mig29g in its current situation?
I got skill checked by one of these the other day and decided it's time to put my time into other games. Can't say i won't be back in a year or sooner but right now it just ain't that fun.
How do you get the lines of your radar on the right so thin?
Do the J-8F with PL-12s.
"It's a surprise tool that will help us later", god damn mickey mouse reference. xD
Instructions unclear: moved F-14A to 10.0.
How this patch doing? Havent played since it came out
*Sees the last F-14 just spamming missiles uselessly*
"Why do these bozos play like this, surely they'll see it doesn't do shit--"
*F-4 dies*
"Oh, right"
Thank God I'm too poor (and couldn't spend enough time to grind through 4 different TTs simultaneously) to play anything above 7.7 lol. At least there's no AMRAAM down here.... right?
This thing will be disgusting in sim battles.. or it would have been if there was a br bracket that put it on top. Sadly I don’t think that’s the case anymore.
does anyone know how to get these “normal” missile contrails? i don’t know what i changed but mine look weird like - - - - - instead of ----
even with graphics on max
@@spasti7026Particles maxed out high basically any less and it looks like cumstains
I think I saw you the other day! You’re the pink cbr300 right?!?!
Dont forget about J-8F with PL-12 please
check out the new tornado it has 4 aim 120s at 11.7
Now when you play the M4K it feel like you are with a stick in WW2.
Even with the 530D i barely get 1 kill.
So I hope they seperate fox3 and non Fox3 plane soon.
That is a massive skill issue
@@contemptordreadnought yes it is because now I have around 0.9 of KD and it is going up since I'm making around 3 kill per game
@@Theo_El_Gato Good to hear, the m4k Is very good
"High tier is fun" :
Well now it’s at 13.0
Mwuah defyn ❤
You have talked about multipathing quite few times but I have no idea what is it ? Can you explain it simply?
Flying low to the ground (In WT this is 60m) causes a radar shadow of your aircraft to appear underneath your actual altitude. This can cause radars to lead their missiles into the ground. It's reliable a if somewhat dangerous way to defeat radar missiles
@@skye1840 oh ok thanks so I kinda knew what it was but couldn't put a name on it
What he said is right.
Making a very in depth guide on all these terms and tactics. will drop within a day or 2 if you are interested
Wait how tf is the sea harrier the same br?
WE NEED CHANGES TO MATCHMAKER!