I often go to China, but I sadly never see these beautiful big old steam trains anymore. There are a lot of very fast comfortable (and also very boring) high speed trains now. But with the current air pollution levels in China steam trains are definitely in the past. Nevertheless it is/was a beautiful sight these big steam trains (3 elements->fire/water/air). Almost everywhere replaced by electric/diesel trains now.
What amazes me is even in many coal mine rail operations, tracks are signal-protected. In the US, often trackage like this and branches were unsignalled "dark" trackage.
The world should club together and bring these old locomotives to a place where they could be used for tourism purposes There are many countries I feel would like an example of these last steam locomotives in revenue useage Don’t just scrap them as scrap metal they are worth what $3-4000 dollars as complete examples their worth is limitless
the Chinese loco's have a steam hose into the coal area in areas of extreme cold this location can get down to -30 degres celcious in mid winter the steam helps keep dust down and the coal from freezing, PS I was there in 2012 lovely place and enjoyed the last year of no diesels in that working.
so this is the real coal used at chinese this is how the real sounds of compression sound should be in u.s instead of using oil or sand in U.S. steam locomotive now. back in our ole days in u.s.a steam locomotive should sound as that. today.
The steam is the venting of pistons from the air pumps. Older pumps such as single phase often vented through the smokebox, more modern including high capacity air pumps like the cross compound (2 phase/pistons) have steam venting from each side of the pump, in both up and down pumping. Steam air pumps are set to maintain a constant pressure in the Main Reservoir, usually at around 100PSI, thus the pump is woking almost non stop to maintain that constant pressure. Unlike diesels that have a high and low setting of around 105 PSI and 125/130PSi at high setting. In affect they work at all times with magnet valves operating to start the actual pumping called a loader valve, at the low pressure then stops at the high pressure when the unloader valve closes the pumping.
Colin Hussey, thanks for the cool details, but what I was specifically curious about is what is the engineering rationale for conducting the air-pump exhaust up to that location instead of just venting it close to the air pump(s). In the US Norfolk and Western "J" class, for example, there are cross-compound air compressors, and the exhaust steam from them seems to be vented near the main cylinders, at some of the same vents where the main engine exhaust goes if the cylinder cocks are open. Even that, I don't get the point of, as opposed to (hypothetically) venting right at the air compressors.
The way the U.S steam pumps are vented seem different to other countries, although some years back on a U.S rail fan site a photo was put up of a larger steam loco, that had a wisp of steam behind the funnel, and someone asked regarding what it was, outside of myself only one, maybe 2 others said it was likely the pump exhaust. ON NSW Australia, our steam loco's had either single phase pumps or cross compounds, in the main the single phase pumps had the venting to smokebox except for 2 classes of locomotives that had venting to atmosphere, both of them interestingly sound very similiar to the Chinese JF, (had two single phase pumps working together to provide the capacity) JS, QJ, & SY have cross compound pumps, although the QS are quieter. Our more modern steam had cross compound pumps, in 3 classes had twin venting pipes owing to high capacity of, and all vented to pipes running behind funnel. This has also created a problem for modelers of Australian prototype especially for sound installations, the U.S sound decoder makers were sent sound files that included the steam venting and they tossed them out owing to, in their opininon, the sounds were faulty as they had a lot of noise in them. The colder the climate the greater the steam exhausts in vapour, my first trip to China in 2001 my hotel room was over the yard at Chenge, and I heard the pumps and thought there was a NSWGR 36cl mogul or 30T superheated engine working owing to the pump sounds (the 2 with single phase) not long after I heard the chime steam whistle and it reminded me completely of a NSW 38cl express pacific type. I always thought the U.S must have vented their locos to the under neath of the loco's and I saw a video of a preserved loco that had the pipe and it was quite small venting to the rear under the cylinder. If that happened in China, or here in the colder climates, the driver would be hard presses to see the road ahead owing to the extra amount of steam that would come from the vent pipes along with steam leaks that were very common from the cylinders, bad enough as they were anyway.
In China and NSW the air pump is on the firemans side, opposite to U.S, with the vent pipe on top of smokebox behind funnel either facing up or angled like the Chinese engines it did not impact on vision. Bare in mind the conditions you see in the video is in temps near 0 centigrade
Not surprising since this is in the region that use to be called Manchuria, and was occupied by Japan and Russia for some times. But even before the Japanese occupation, this area was the industrial heartland of China. I believe most of the steam locomotives are also built in this area.
5:09, love that whistle!
富拉尔基is my hometown, These remaining steam locomotives have all been decommissioned.
China is a nice country to visit for Railfanning
I often go to China, but I sadly never see these beautiful big old steam trains anymore. There are a lot of very fast comfortable (and also very boring) high speed trains now. But with the current air pollution levels in China steam trains are definitely in the past. Nevertheless it is/was a beautiful sight these big steam trains (3 elements->fire/water/air). Almost everywhere replaced by electric/diesel trains now.
Awesome machines.
What amazes me is even in many coal mine rail operations, tracks are signal-protected. In the US, often trackage like this and branches were unsignalled "dark" trackage.
great entertainment for me.i lovesteam but american videos are so old.thanks again love it
The world should club together and bring these old locomotives to a place where they could be used for tourism purposes There are many countries I feel would like an example of these last steam locomotives in revenue useage Don’t just scrap them as scrap metal they are worth what $3-4000 dollars as complete examples their worth is limitless
love it!
Very very interesting.
我的家乡，富拉尔基。
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How many kWh required to store and transport this video?
Impressionnant ☹️☹️
Damn, even that bunker coal was smouldering!
the Chinese loco's have a steam hose into the coal area in areas of extreme cold this location can get down to -30 degres celcious in mid winter the steam helps keep dust down and the coal from freezing, PS I was there in 2012 lovely place and enjoyed the last year of no diesels in that working.
so this is the real coal used at chinese this is how the real sounds of compression sound should be in u.s instead of using oil or sand in U.S. steam locomotive now. back in our ole days in u.s.a steam locomotive should sound as that. today.
Air brakes sure are restless!
Steam exhausting in two directions above the stack, is that from the air compressor(s)? Why did they exhaust it up there?
The steam is the venting of pistons from the air pumps. Older pumps such as single phase often vented through the smokebox, more modern including high capacity air pumps like the cross compound (2 phase/pistons) have steam venting from each side of the pump, in both up and down pumping.
Steam air pumps are set to maintain a constant pressure in the Main Reservoir, usually at around 100PSI, thus the pump is woking almost non stop to maintain that constant pressure. Unlike diesels that have a high and low setting of around 105 PSI and 125/130PSi at high setting. In affect they work at all times with magnet valves operating to start the actual pumping called a loader valve, at the low pressure then stops at the high pressure when the unloader valve closes the pumping.
Colin Hussey, thanks for the cool details, but what I was specifically curious about is what is the engineering rationale for conducting the air-pump exhaust up to that location instead of just venting it close to the air pump(s). In the US Norfolk and Western "J" class, for example, there are cross-compound air compressors, and the exhaust steam from them seems to be vented near the main cylinders, at some of the same vents where the main engine exhaust goes if the cylinder cocks are open. Even that, I don't get the point of, as opposed to (hypothetically) venting right at the air compressors.
The way the U.S steam pumps are vented seem different to other countries, although some years back on a U.S rail fan site a photo was put up of a larger steam loco, that had a wisp of steam behind the funnel, and someone asked regarding what it was, outside of myself only one, maybe 2 others said it was likely the pump exhaust.
ON NSW Australia, our steam loco's had either single phase pumps or cross compounds, in the main the single phase pumps had the venting to smokebox except for 2 classes of locomotives that had venting to atmosphere, both of them interestingly sound very similiar to the Chinese JF, (had two single phase pumps working together to provide the capacity) JS, QJ, & SY have cross compound pumps, although the QS are quieter.
Our more modern steam had cross compound pumps, in 3 classes had twin venting pipes owing to high capacity of, and all vented to pipes running behind funnel.
This has also created a problem for modelers of Australian prototype especially for sound installations, the U.S sound decoder makers were sent sound files that included the steam venting and they tossed them out owing to, in their opininon, the sounds were faulty as they had a lot of noise in them.
The colder the climate the greater the steam exhausts in vapour, my first trip to China in 2001 my hotel room was over the yard at Chenge, and I heard the pumps and thought there was a NSWGR 36cl mogul or 30T superheated engine working owing to the pump sounds (the 2 with single phase) not long after I heard the chime steam whistle and it reminded me completely of a NSW 38cl express pacific type.
I always thought the U.S must have vented their locos to the under neath of the loco's and I saw a video of a preserved loco that had the pipe and it was quite small venting to the rear under the cylinder. If that happened in China, or here in the colder climates, the driver would be hard presses to see the road ahead owing to the extra amount of steam that would come from the vent pipes along with steam leaks that were very common from the cylinders, bad enough as they were anyway.
I see, there could be a visibility problem if the steam weren't vented somewhere away from the engine driver's line of sight.
In China and NSW the air pump is on the firemans side, opposite to U.S, with the vent pipe on top of smokebox behind funnel either facing up or angled like the Chinese engines it did not impact on vision. Bare in mind the conditions you see in the video is in temps near 0 centigrade
It's ironic that the locomotive is a Japanese design from the 1920s called a Mikado.
American's project to Japan's Railroads & by this reason it'as named Mikado.
Not surprising since this is in the region that use to be called Manchuria, and was occupied by Japan and Russia for some times. But even before the Japanese occupation, this area was the industrial heartland of China. I believe most of the steam locomotives are also built in this area.
awsome
Lol, there are many 4-10-2 steam locos in working on China, why "the last steam train"??
+Han Frank What i was seeing on youtube show me not!
Pedro the Chinese primary main line steam loco the QJ are 2-10-2 not 4-8-2
lets take one of theirs and bring it over at American lol
最好能保留下來 , 用作教育下一代 ...
Qing Kong 还用保留吗，富拉尔基到处都是
这是很好的观光资源，听说可以动的前进型都被美国人买走了，好像都在Iowa州，他们不但当成载观光客用，还会偶尔拉货。
6546好像已经报废了