A ton of very enlightening comments! I'm learning a lot from you dino nerds. *We should give Michael Crichton his due* when he was writing the book, deinonychus was technically a velociraptor, and was later reclassified. What I wanted to do with this video is distinguish between the two based on current classification, and then pit you against true Velociraptor. See you in Footnotes -- kH
Wana know whats more terrifying Utah raptor bigger and better version and large as a horse faster than you and better swimmer runner but slower than Deinonychus but still faster than you
To call them a turkey with a lot of sharp stuff is actually kind of unnerving. I've read written about people turkey hunting where the turkey almost Wouldn't Die. They are surprisingly resilient.
Just about any animal is super resilient if you don't deal anything immediately fatal to it. People hunting boars need to aim for a part that is going to end the animal quickly cause just shooting it in the side is only going to make it very, very angry with you.
dracoslayer16 can confirm. Friend of mine nearly had his lower leg torn off by a big ass boar. He’s got spot in his leg where you can almost poke through the other side with how deep the bite was.
While they were filming Jurassic Park, someone discovered Utahraptor, which is the size you're looking for. One of the filming crew, IIRC actually Spielberg, said that they invented it and then it was discovered. About the book one, Michael Crichton used the Velociraptor. The thing is, in that time Deinonychus was in the Velociraptor family, and was later decided that it shouldn't be. So yes, in the book are velociraptors, but not the V. mongoloensis one we refer to today, but V. antirrhopus, which is now considered Deinonychus antirrhopus. Same creature, but totally different taxa.
Danilo Oliveira well yeah, we still call them raptors in pop culture, or dromeosaurids scientifically. Utahraptor is there too... Maniraptorians I think is what includes all critters that look like raptors (and are of course related in characteristics and behavior) (Austroraptor, dakotaraptor etc). And they are all theropods, which all are dinosaurs and we can go further and further...
@@steveno3141 You are probably thinking of Megaraptor which was named before we had the whole skeleton, when we got more of it it was quickly realized that it wasn't related at all and its sickle claws (which were part of the initial find and assumed to be on it its feet) were actually on its hands.
Southern Cassowary of Australia is considered a distant cousin of raptors (more aggressive, emu-like) with a dangerous history with the following historical stats. 221 cassowary attacks showed that 150 had been against humans. 75% of these had been from cassowaries that had been fed by people. 71% of the time the bird had chased or charged the victim. 15% of the time they kicked. Of those attacks, 73% involved the birds expecting or snatching food, 5% involved defending natural food sources, 15% involved defending themselves from attack, and 7% involved defending their chicks or eggs. Only one human death was ever recorded, the Cassowary in self defense after being attacked by clubs by two people, the scuffle resulted in several attempted kicks by the cassowary when the one tripped and fell to the ground, continuing the attack the cassowary kicked him in the neck opening a 1.25cm (half an inch) wound in his jugular, death was shortly after due to blood loss. (only recorded death, is straight at the jugular mmmmm) Much like many of Australia's Fauna, its reputation of being deadly is blown out of proportion (mostly due to the way British tabloid press reported Australian news multiple times before the invention of global communication - 1 death/attack would be reported over a dozen times in England). If the Cassowary is an example of raptor behaviour, Food or Defense would be the only reason for an attack you, as long as they don't think your the food, and you ain't swinging at them... you would probably be fine to just walk on by quietly (like at the Pub on a Friday night when someone gives you the stink eye - don't start nothing, don't get near)
Yeah, can't help but think the closest example would be a cassowary, albeit with teeth, small arms and a hankering for flesh. The cassowary is about three times the mass though, even with modern hollow dinosaur bones. And vs just about everything out there, a stick greatly improves your odds.
Don't walk on quetily. You're the King of the planet - let the lesser beings know it and adress your pressence with fear and respect. Jokes aside it's believed that one of the reasons why regular campers and gatherers aren't attacked by animals in the wild is because they behave like they fear nothing - which eliminates them from the potential prey category. Predators are very picky and catious beings since a wrongly picked target may result in an injury that will jeopardize every subsequent hunt and survival.
@@DzinkyDzink nice plan, but cassowaries, like many of the animals that kill humans, are herbivores, and are just belligerent so carnivores know to stay the hell away.
boxhead6177 a cassowary is probably a pretty inaccurate comparison though seeing as cassowaries are much larger, highly territorial fruit eaters. Not being food and not swinging at the cassowary wouldn’t always be enough to avoid an attack, they can be very territorial and will chase any perceived threat that enters their space if they are feeling particularly angry. A velociraptor is probably more comparable to an eagle that can’t fly, chances are if you approach it it’s going to avoid you given how much larger you are than it
Micheal Crichton didn't use the name velociraptor because it "sounded cooler" he used it because at the time Deinonychus was called Velociraptor Aentyrhopus.(sorry if i misspelled anything, too lazy to check)
Technically, both reasons are accurate, as Micheal Crichton, preferred the original name of Deinonychus, being Velociraptor antirrhopus, over the former.
I also want to point out that both the Velociraptor and the Deinonychus, belong to the "Dromaeosauridae" Sub-Family, Sub-Family, originally known as the "Velociraptorinae" Sub-family.
I think it's a little bit of both reasons, I doubt much movie viewers could pronounce or remember the name Deinonychus, "Look the girl is been chase by the... what's the name of that animal?"
Just to quickly clarify the different names and animals that are being tossed around when discussing velociraptor. Velociraptor mongoliensis: the small Mongolian theropod of the dromaeosaur family. ~35lbs Deinonychus antirrhopus: larger North American member of the same family. ~160lbs Michael Crichton used the name Velociraptor in the novel as antagonists in part because the name could be shortened to “raptor”. But In the 80s some paleontologist (lead by Gregory S. Paul) proposed lumping Deinonychus under the genus Velociraptor. Although this taxonomy is no longer accepted, Crichton used it when writing jurassic park as is evidenced during Dr Grant discussing the different species of raptor with Dr Wu. Lastly the creatures on film (even larger than Deinonychus, closer in size to Utahraptor ostrommaysorum) are far enough removed from the fossil record that Dino nerds usually use another name, Velociraptor hammondi (after Ingen owner John Hammond), to discuss the movie predators. Although one would have to wonder exactly how much true Velociraptor DNA would have ended up in these giant monsters.
Thought the same thing. I don't have a copy of Jurassic Park with me to verify but read that Crichton even acknowledged Paul and his book "Predatory Dinosaurs of the World" ,published in '88 I think, for some of his inspiration. Which if Paul was lumping Deinonychus under Velociraptor would make sense.
Wow, can't believe I remembered that correctly. But here's the article a saw the information --> www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/you-say-velociraptor-i-say-deinonychus-33789870/ The author calls it an exercise in paleontological pedantry but thinks Crichton probably didn't pick the name just because it sounded cooler. So there's that.
@@jasonwurth6216 Well I don't know that it was just to "sound cool" per se, but it absolutely was used for literary impact. If you remember the prologue of the book is called "The Bite of the Raptor." It covers a worker from the island who was rushed to the mainland in an effort to save his life following an 'incident', and he keeps saying "the Raptor bit him". This causes confusion to the American doctor because it sounded like a Spanish word (latin for plunderer), and colloquially meant a thief. He then uses a classic Crichton cliff hanger and uses the English definition to forshadow that Raptor in english means "Bird of Prey" (which in the film they somehow use as justification for shared ancestry???). In short, I don't know that he thought that the name was so cool he had to use it, and thus adhered to Paul's convention strictly for that reason; but there's no doubt that he had big plans for the name Velociraptor.
Never thought I'd be troubled watching a human strangle an animated marker-drawing of a velociraptor... That being said, wouldn't it be more effective to snap its neck? Though standing much taller, they seem to be quite a bit skinnier than a large turkey, and snapping a turkey's neck is not too difficult (right? I've never tried tbh).
The main problem are claws on raptors legs, that still can reach your vital organs while you are trying to snap his neck. But, if you do it quickly enough, it would be easier than strangling. Maybe go practice on chickens. (pls don't)
I mean to pin it down, and then instead of holding it for an extended period of time until it chokes, you snap its neck so it dies in a couple of seconds. Same result, except less holding down and thus less damage to yourself.
Deinonychus was newly discovered when Crichton wrote Jurassic Park and at the time it was considered a member of genus Velociraptor. Also feathered dinosaurs were not yet discovered at the time. Crichton actually made his dinos far more accurately than anything before or contemporary. We can't hold him responsible for not randomly guessing decades of science that hadn't been done yet
Chris Helvey who is holding him responsible for anything other than naming and describing how a dinosaur looked in a fictional book. I don’t see any casting dispersions on the guy.
That's the thing that people tend to keep in mind when comparing Jurassic Park to the later films; for what was actually known at the time, it was very accurate. Now that we know better, the modern films simply don't compare.
Acording to this article from Smithsonian Magazine it was actually a book for general audiences that suggested Deinonychus be in the genus Velociraptor and this was never accepted by paleontologists. Also says Deinonychus was discovered in the 60s. www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/you-say-velociraptor-i-say-deinonychus-33789870/
@@paulfenton5673 Yeah, I don't know when Chrichton wrote the book, but I know for sure that Deinonychus has been known pretty long. I'm 40 years old, born in 1978 and I was a Dinosaur nerd kid in the mid-80s, loooong before the Jurassic Park movie made that mainstream. 40 years is old by internet standards, of course, but not that old when it comes to important stuff, like basic scientific theories. Those usually don't change that much that fast, but they did when it comes to paleontology. When I was a kid in the 80s, my parents bought me books about Dinosaurs and those books still depicted Tyrannosaurus as walking upright, like Godzilla and they weren't even sure back then whether the Yucatan Asteroid actually killed them. It was just one of many possible causes back then. Still, Deinonychus was in those books. I'm not just sure that it was discovered at the time because of those books though, but also because I remember there once was a paleontologist visiting our school when I was in 5th grade, in 1988 and he gave out tiny fossiles as prizes to the winners of a quiz at the end of his lecture. I won the main prize by knowing what Deinonychus was and that the name meant "Dreadful Claw". So unless the book was written at least 10 to 15 years before the movie was made, Deinonychus can't have been newly discovered at the time.
@@TrangleC Jurassic Park was published in 90 but Crichton started working on it around 83. It still seems to me that Deinonychus had been fairly well described by that point and paleontologists did not consider it in the genus Velociraptor.
Hey Kyle Great episode as always :D 2 Questions 1) My favourite dinosaur is Ankylosaurus, with dinosaurs as big as T-Rex could their shells/armour really take that kind of punishment/damage without breaking? 2) With the idea of Jurassic Park "Velociraptor" in people heads, you need to make a "How to fight Deinonychus" Take Care and Be Well
@@_Nicoleo_ that tail-club is devastating when planted in the right spot, but if T-Rex sidestepped the tail, with those massive jaws could the T-Rex have enough jaw pressure to penetrate the back shell/armour? Or would the T-Rex Have to flip the Ankylosaurus like Indominus Rex because the shell/armour is impenetrable?
@@james_xl_quest7251 It seems that the T-Rex had a bite force of around 12000 pounds and for the sake of guessing anywhere from 400,000 to 500,000 psi if taken from the tip of the tooth. If around 60 teeth were in contact with one of these plates, that would put us at ~7000 psi. Due to the nature of fossils, it is hard to say how strong they are, but the fibers inside are very similar to kevlar. Plugging in the thickness of the plates (about one centimeter), the ankylosaurus is screwed. Or it would be if it didn't have one of the most effective defense strategies of the late Cretaceous period. There is absolutely no way that the t-rex, not known as being nimble, would be able to dodge a 100mph fastball that weighed as much as a few dozen bowling balls slamming into the leg.
@@_Nicoleo_ OUCH! LOL So T-Rex may have a good chance of getting those massive teeth through Ankylosaurus shell/armour, but doesn't matter too much since the shell is a secondary defence after that sledgehammer tail :) Awesome! Thank you for your insight :) Take Care and Be Well
Uhh, hate to break it to ya, but Deinonychus was *not* human sized. bigger than the Velociraptor but still quite small. If you want human-sized raptors, you're looking for Achillobator, Dakotaraptor, or maybe Utahraptor. Not Deinonychus. Edit: My examples are human height, but Deinonychus was human *size* like Kyle said.
@@magnathrax7360 isnt a large jaguar practically human sized tho? if you picture a large bipedal jaguar then id wager it stands at about similar height as a human being
@@erbgorre I meant length-wise. Probably should have phrased that better. EDIT: Plus, you have to take into account the fact that jaguars are quadrupedal, while Deinonychus was bipedal and even then shorter.
And new fossil evidence points to the idea that the raptors in JP were simply mislabeled Dakotaraptor, Utahraptor, or a mix of both, which were formally described after the book and first movie came out (2005 and 1993, respectively), so they stuck to consistency. Once genus of dinosaurs often does have multiple species within it, so it is not too unlikely that the raptor type shown in Jurassic Park was never given its own genus and just described as another species of the Velociraptor genus. Also Dr. Wu admits that the DNA splicing makes them inaccurate in life, which is a catch-all excuse for paleontological inconsistencies.
@@magnathrax7360 Lengthwise yes. But definitely not mass-wise. Deinonychus being built like a bird is makes it very light. Still a fair comparison though
Why use your hands? Even if your unarmed doesn't mean you can't arm yourself. While I was in the Marines they taught us to use "weapons of opportunity". If I see anything around me that I can use as a bludgeon I'm going to use it. So for me I'm picking up a big rock and crushing that chicken. So remember kids, crush the chicken, not choke it.
If they are only 3 feet tall, kicking might be great too ... if the creatures jump to bite the upper torso there’s good reason to believe that you could either punch or grab the thing mid air. But like Kyle said- it would cut the crap out of you (my paraphrase) so long stick or rock it is!
Choke it on your own time, jarhead. Lol. But on a serious note, I agree wholeheartedly. There's ALWAYS a weapon around you, you just have to learn to see/identify them. Every time I'm anywhere out in public, I'm constantly scanning my environment; for suspicious body language, the sound of footsteps, rough analysis of every person near me and their mass/estimated strength/any signs they may have a weapon or some amount of training, and weapons of opportunity (head on a swivel, but subtly). Also, if you're going to kill a chicken (or chicken-like creature), you shouldn't let all that fresh meat go to waste.
Something about hypothetical animal fights that people never seem to include, infection. My wife's cat is basically feral, only let's my wife touch it, on rare occasions. This cat got out on the roof one night. I was nominated to retrieve the cat. I grabbed it by the scruff of it's neck, and holy shit, I got the cat back in, but, not before suffering some serious bites that required having two of my knuckles surgically irrigated and a four day stay in the hospital on some serious IV antibiotics. Without modern medicine I would've gone septic and died. So, while you may be able to crush one of these tiny things, if you don't get to the hospital in time, in many, many cases this match is ends with both of you dead.
In the first place, given the stated size and weight of the organism, your biggest problem in a confrontation would be catching it--the poor thing would probably run screeching from the towering biped. In the second place, if it was stupid enough to charge, rear back and give it the best field goal kick you've got (I take as given that your hiking boots survived the time-jaunt). In case of a flock's attack, remove your shirt, tie off the neck and sleeves, drop a rock inside, and you have an improvised flail. Of course, all this goes out the window on Jurassic Island, since Crichton's dinos were creations of genetic engineering with admixtures of frog and modern reptile DNA. The island's raptors might be agents of a hive-mind with sea-snake venom in their fangs, or some damn thing.
How about a pointed stick? Really, if they weren't very bright and so fast that their inertia would be hard to halt, a pointed stick might be an effective weapon. Spears are a LOT more effective than people assume they are. Actually spears beat swords in medieval combat recreation more often than people would think given the incredible simplicity of the weapon (it's a pointy stick) and if a Velociraptor lunges at you, they would be doomed if between your fleshy bits and their claws was a long pointy stick. And a long pointy stick if you're in the woods is in good supply. So before beating one to death with your bare hands you might want to consider picking up a stick or even if you just use it as a club that would be a better idea than your fists.
I'd be very into a "Fight a Movie Velociraptor" episode like this one, armed and unarmed. Also into a "Fight a RL Utahraptor" episode. Could also discuss whether Utahraptors in packs could have taken out Sauropods, that'd be fun. Great episode Kyle, and yeah that random guy in the beginning was a handsome devil! ;)
DiabloZero well it’s more like deinonychus, because Utahraptor were even larger than the ones shown in the Jurassic Park movies growing up to 20ft long for the largest specimens
From our findings Deinonychus was not as tall as a human (standing around the height of 6ft humans waist). But it did weigh about the same as the average human (160 - 220 lbs). And since mass is a better representation of size it was technically human size. Kyle if you dont make this a series I will find you. Fight a mammoth. Or a smilodon. Or a Triceratops. Or a ankylosaurus. Or a therizinosaurus.
@@WwZa7 From Wikipedia I find a "hip height of 0.87m" (the head height would depend on posture, but roughly around the waist of a 1.8m human). Weight estimates range from 73kg to 100kg. Also: when faced with an Ankylosaurus, there would be the first option of not provoking it (including not coming too close), and then running when needed. Even if it were able to sprint, you're probably able to outlast it if you have sufficient head start - hence the not coming too close bit.
Might want to rephrase, that's definitely not average mass for a human. Probably a human male? Also when we're talking about average mass, this doesn't take into account overweight people in the statistical sample, where much of the mass doesn't equate to strength. A more useful way of looking at it might be to imagine what the average mass would be if each individual knew what mass they had at around 12% body fat (healthy range is 8-19% apparently), this will be lower.
That range is indeed a bit too high for average human weight - the global average weight of adult humans is 62.0 kg (136.7 lb). If you're looking for the average ideal weight: I've been looking for data on the average height, but I can't find it globally. For the United States, with average male length of 175.7 cm (5 ft 9 in) and an average female length of 161.8 cm (5 ft 3 1⁄2 in), the ideal weight of the average-length person would be 71kg (157lbs) for a man and 60kg (132lbs) for a woman. This is using the Devine formula, on en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_body_weight. Human height data sourced from en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_average_human_height_worldwide.
But since the raptors in most of pop media are based on animals like Deinonychus, Utahraptor, or Dakotaraptor, I feel that either this video or a follow up one should address those particular circumstances. Also, scenario 2 is assuming that the average urbanized person could even get the drop on a Velociraptor in the wild. Aside from their superior eyesight, Dromaeosaurs had a highly efficient sense of smell and hearing too. So they would probably hear and smell the average person stumbling through the vegetation long before that individual could get the drop on the raptor. And there is some evidence of grouping behaviors from some Dromaeosaurs, like some tracks of from China, of 3 presumed Achillobator that may have been travelling along a shoreline together, with their track ways spaced apart like the animals were all there at the same time. And there's the circumstantial evidence of multiple Deinonychus teaming up to take down larger prey animals, like Tenontosaurus, from both the numbers of shed teeth and corpses of animals that may have died in the take down - not that these predators were necessarily actually living together as a pack, but could have teamed up as a mob to take down the larger animal. So while we don't have clear, definitive evidence for packing behaviors in specific animals, like the Dromaeosaurs, that does not mean there wouldn't be moments where even solitary animals would team up to take down larger prey items.
I though the Deinonychus stuff was claimed to be evidence for scavenging behavior since there were an absurdily big number of individuals to be a pack considering the amount of meat Tenontosaurus would have given to them. The group of Utahraptor were found in a tar pit, so it was probably a predator trap. Agrupation of individuals toghether is a little bit unconclusive for saying they lived toghether, now footprints are much more conclusive evidence and it is quite interesting what you mentioned. Can you please give a link to the article?, I want to read it.
@@Ditidos The argument for either group of Deinonychus mobbing or scavenger a Tenontosaurus could go either way with available data. Either several random Deinons could have happened upon a carcass over several days, or a large number of very hungry Deinonychus could have been waiting along a game trail and then converged on a Tenontosaurus already in poor condition, which does happen with several predators today, including large hawks and some eagles too. But in either case (gregarious/packing or not), there seems to be a high number of Deinonychus in the area at that particular time, and there are multiple hypotheses that could account for that. The paper about the track ways is "Behavioral and faunal implications of Early Cretaceous deinonychosaur trackways from China". And here's a link to the paper too link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs00114-007-0310-7
@@jaredmc7982 Ah, thank you. I will give a look to the paper, it seems interesting. In the multiple Deinonychus in the area,it is a little bit too vague of a clue to really be able to stand out by itself alone. I would say we need more evidence pointing out that they are pack hunters as that is not such a definiteve evidence by itself alone.
Best ad placement I ever saw. Right after your "because" an ad started with "everybody needs a little yoga in their life" "It's probably a good thing Velociraptors are seperated from us by 75 Million years, because everybody needs a little yoga in their life" ...makes sense
Utahraptor! I wanna see this but with the utahraptor that is wayyyyy more intimidating! Utahraptor was basically velociraptor and deinonychus but bigger and scarier!
That was a cool video. I’d love to see a follow up video about how to fight a deinonychus, Utah raptor, mega raptor and win. I’d be interested on how we’d fair against a larger size raptor.
Hmm. While it may be that Michael Crichton may have originally framed his Velociraptors on Deinonychus, given the tactics seen in the movies, the Utahraptor (Achillobator giganticus) might be a better fit. Not only is it a closer fit in size, the claw and muscle structure fit better too. With Deinonychus, their middle claws are focused to a sharp, jagged blade on the inside curve (unlike the Velociraptors' presented in the video), suggesting that they used them for strong, slashing attacks. Utahraptors, however, have a strong piercing point, but a dull interior. This combined with their disproportionately strong back muscles suggest that they used their claws mainly to afford purchase as they climbed, similar to crampons. The fight at the end of JP 1, with the T. Rex in the lobby, has the raptors jumping at the Rex, trying to climb it. In JP 2, in the long grass, we see them use their powerful leaps to pin their opponent, not slash them. With these repeated themes, I think that the Utahraptor is the closest we can get to our Hollywood monsters. Also, I'd like to say thank you for not using the pop-culture "distance raptor / time raptor = Velociraptor" as we all know the raptors would cancel out and we'd only be left with Velocity.
As has been mentioned- Utahraptor would be closest to the movie version. Now do that one!! 😁 Great job on all your vids- I am making my way through all of them. You are fun to watch and learn from!
I know how you can defeat Velociraptor: You should rend his head from his shoulders You should smite him where he stands Make him rue the very day he stole your kingdom from you
I was wondering if a "scare them off" tactic would be effective. You know, by pretending you're bigger than what you really are and making some loud noises. But then I remembered that they used to hunt animals several times bigger than humans, so maybe not so effective. Loving your show, Kyle! Keep at it!
It's certainly _possible_ that it could scare them off. If they predominantly ambushed their prey, then they probably wouldn't like a head-on confrontation. I wouldn't especially want to count on it, though.
One thing to remember when fighting against predators is that they have far faster reflexes than we do. Like the reflex arc of a tiger if you were to reach up and grab the tiger's tale it can turn around and bite you before you realized he moved. Sometimes making lots of noise and making yourself bigger is helpful, sometimes backing away slowly facing a predator and not running away which makes you look like prey activating there Chase mechanism. you need to understand the Predators and the situation you're dealing with before you start employing tactics. By the way the Raptors in Jurassic Park are approximately the size of Utah Raptors but they were discovered just after Jurassic Park the movie came out.
"How to Fight a Velociraptor" 1. Asteroid. 2. Shotgun. Contrary to the movies dinosaurs are not bullet proof. 3. Modern diseases. 4. Habitat loss. 5. Mammalian apex predators. 6. One Punch Man.
i would pay money to watch this idiot try to kill a large and partially armored predator not to mention the most skilled hunting creature to every walk this planet with a shotgun because true while dinosaurs are most definantly not bulletproof their thick tough skin and kevlar like bone structure would deffinantly make somthing like a shotgun highly ineffective
@@LSDon-gs7bz I recommend re-watching the vid. Specifically the part about them being "turkeys with lots of pointy bits". They WEREN'T large, their skin was likely no tougher than say - that of a Komodo Dragon (i.e. tough, for skin, but hardly shotgun-proof), and I don't even know where you got the kevlar bones bit from, but it is utter science-fiction.
Hi Kyle, After watching the episode “How far can Sauron see?”, I had a question in mind. In the episode, how far Sauron could see was limited to 130km due to Earth’s curvature, but he had a ridiculously tiny angular resolution, hence seeing in high detail (20/0.002 vision). I was wondering on how to swap the two things, if Sauron was looking at outer space, if he could, how far could he see and how clear?
We can see stars light years away from us with no effort, technically your vision's range is unlimited in space (but how clearly? That's something entirely dependent on Sauron's eyes' limit of resolution... and maybe how you define 'seeing clearly' )
@@Vulcano7965 Actually, Eä (the LotR universe) canonically exists in our past. Arda (the planet on which LotR takes place) is just Earth before magic, elves, etc. ceased to exist. I believe the general consensus is that Earth is round, so negatory.
I would definitely lose to a velociraptor, I’d keep trying to pet them as they eat my face off. “You’re so precious! That tickles hahahaha *death sounds*”
Damn, I've been working on a fantasy novel taking place millions of years where there are dragons protecting the world and because of that the meteor never hit and dinosaurs never went extinct and I had a scene planned for the protagonist to use crude alchemy mixing together stuff he found in the wild to buy time and get away from a velociraptor alive but I guess now its a deinonychus. Although I do love the idea of having him trying to get away from a plausible pack of sharp danger turkeys.
I think he did this already. If you watch the movie they already figure out how to fight them. (SPOILER) I think it was high pitch/frequency noises that hurt their sensitive ears causing the armor to come off /move out of place exposing the softer insides and leaving them vulnerable to attack
A turkey sized Velociraptor would still deal out lethal damage very quickly. Far worse than a cassowary would. Think more along the lines of 4-legged golden eagle.
Marty Smith a cassowary would do way more damage than a golden eagle or a velociraptor. It’s way bigger than a velociraptor and probably has a lot more force behind its kick, it’s claws are also way longer and it’s longest claw is actually adapted for cutting rather than gripping like with velociraptor
@@PlasticGhoul Sure, they (assowary) can still gut you like a fish. A velociraptor would do it FAR more easily and efficiently. The toe claw and general physiology of a raptor is perfectly geared to this as a survival strategy. Its like comparing humans and chimps on tree climbing ability. We can still "do it", but its more of a diluted,vestigial ability.
So, basically, they where large ground predatory birds with some nasty claws and teeth, not something you'd want to mess with, especially in groups, but you could probably overpower and kill one or two if you had to with your bear hands. Sounds about right.
@@themanofmemes4911 big, not huge, 4m tall is at least 2x a human, while they'll easily outrun anyone, probably will be some cat and rat fight like T-Rex but worse for us
@@sideswipe123103 that would possibly safe you if you are good at dino-rodeo(i know ankys wouldn't be as bad as a bull but still) but you wouldn't win.I don't think you could do much against it at all if you are unarmed,they could take on almost every predator in their time period with a very high chance of success due to their armor and devastating tail, but i would try to use the environment, like baiting them to fall off a cliff or something😂.
Note that at the time of writing the novel, velociraptor in jargon referred to not just the mongoliensis, but all dromeosaurs (which included the larger deinonychus and utahraptor). Also, Alan Grant mentions that he's skeptical of the Doctor's claim that the velociraptors on Nublar were of the mongoliensis species (the Doctor wasn't a paleontologist after all. So no, the writer did NOT use the name because it was cooler, just that deinonychus used to belong to the velociraptor genus once upon a time. Thank you for reading.
Just a pedantic correction, it's pronounced eemyou not eemoo. Also, if you want to see a big dangerous bird look up a Cassowary. Now that's akin to a movie velociraptor.
The one scenario you didn't mention was if you found yourself looking at each other about 10 feet away and you were unarmed. With the speed and jaws, I don't see you coming out alive assuming you both go for each other around the same time where both of you were ready to fight by the time you were in attacking range. I can see best case scenario in that situation is the dino goes for your leg, it would hurt like heck but you can fall ontop of it and it would be like the previous situation but you would come out a lot more damaged. Worst case scenario (since we know that they are smart enough to go for the neck on other creatures) it would jump up and go for your neck. This fight would be more complex, all depending on speculation which is probably why you didn't include it, but in order to survive, you would have to first grab it's neck and bring it to the ground as quick as possible before it can sink it's claws into you. Then you would have to try pinning its limbs to prevent it from fighting back too much before going back to pounding it's head and choking it. The one thing I will say, though, is judging by it's features, we might as well say it is a large cat with bird feathers and a crocodile's mouth, so lets just rename it to the Caturkodile.
Not gonna lie. I watch this channel for two reasons, 1: I’m a nerd and this science is fun 2: you look like Thor without Moljnir and I support you keep up the good work
Hey Kyle, long time viewer, first time commenter. Always love educational content mixed with humor you create. Quick question. You mentioned that their necks aren't particularly strong? If you were going up against several of these little guys, wouldn't it be best to grab their necks and snap them as quickly as possible? This way you're not wasting precious seconds waiting for the oxygen depletion to knock them out. Of course you're probably still going to become dino-meat, odds aren't in your favor as you said, just throwing out my two cents since you say you always try to read every comment after you upload your videos. :)
Thanks for this, Kyle. One of the reasons I have soured on the Jurassic Park movies is that they haven't kept up with the science, particularly regarding T. Rex and Velociraptor (they had feathers, people!). Real discoveries are more exciting than cynical summer cash-grabs, anyway.
You could probably just look big and make a lot of noise to make it go away. My labradoodle can make a whole pack of coyote stop their yipping with one bark. They could take him in a fight, sure, but they don't want to take the risk. Heck my other dog is only 25 pounds but he chased at least one bear away in his lifetime.
Great episode, I love the show! The only question I would have is, if you are back in time with those Dino’s wouldn’t the last thing you would want to do while trying to get away from them is run into a body of water? In the water you would have much bigger, meaner, and hungrier Dino’s that would for sure end your problem with the V. Raptor. I would think up a tree would be safer but even then you got to look out for what Jeff Goldblume would say is perfect biting hight.
As for most “how to survive animal attack” questions I like to refer to Nintendo when describing a certain character, “for his neutral special joker has a gun”
Deinonychus Die- non- ik- us Not, die- on- eye- kus, yyou missed an "n" in your pronunciation. Also in such a situation as you have to fight multiple real velociraptors, grabbing a big stick is first priority, that is why we evolved hands and thumbs after all, so we could use tools more effectively. Making sure none get behind you should be next on the priority list, 2 reasons for this really, our arms can't really protect that area, and, as shown in modern predators, showing your back to 1 could trigger the predatory chase/attack response. From there all you would need to do is make sure any attempted attack on you is too dangerous to attempt for the raptors by making yourself seem as big and imposing as possible, this has even been shown to cause bears to retreat in modern-day, and swinging your stick at the heads/arms/legs of any of the attacking raptors. Now each raptor hasto weigh the options in their relatively basic predatory minds, risk getting hurt, and not be able to hunt, by this big thing waving around a heavy stick that i can't get to the weak spots of, or go find something else to eat. The more you successfully injure the more likely they are to take the second option, group mentality and all that.
Considering Protoceratops is estimated to be the size of a sheep, it seems like quite the daunting prospect. Though adrenaline-boosted strength may help in inflicting grievous damage with a ceratopsian.
A ton of very enlightening comments! I'm learning a lot from you dino nerds. *We should give Michael Crichton his due* when he was writing the book, deinonychus was technically a velociraptor, and was later reclassified. What I wanted to do with this video is distinguish between the two based on current classification, and then pit you against true Velociraptor. See you in Footnotes -- kH
I wpuld just swing it against the ground a few times if I could grab it. If there were many just grab one and use it as a weapon.
I thought I remembered that velociraptors had the largest brain to mass of any theropod. Is that also incorrect? Then what did?
Because Science so rare to see you post in the comments like this. Great episode. (You should mention this comment just because of the name)
do one about a dilophosaurus or carnotaurus
So how does one fight a deinonychus?
Awesome. You murdering the raptor from behind was a surprisingly compelling mix of hilarious and brutal.
It may not be as Clickable, but I would love to see *_How to Fight a Deinonychus_* because HOOOOOOLY COW those things are terrifying!
How to Fight a Deinonychus and win: you don't. :D
Right, but I knew this dude was going to take it here instead.
Wana know whats more terrifying Utah raptor bigger and better version and large as a horse faster than you and better swimmer runner but slower than Deinonychus but still faster than you
@@hadesfist1017 and it could probably climb trees. Also check out dakota raptor
Just squat and spread your arms. And look them deeeep in the eyes :P
To call them a turkey with a lot of sharp stuff is actually kind of unnerving. I've read written about people turkey hunting where the turkey almost Wouldn't Die. They are surprisingly resilient.
10 gauge buckshot, or slugs. That'd kill 'em. Lol. Not a lousy 20 gauge, or possibly 12. Idk. 10 is almost overkill though. Almost
Just about any animal is super resilient if you don't deal anything immediately fatal to it. People hunting boars need to aim for a part that is going to end the animal quickly cause just shooting it in the side is only going to make it very, very angry with you.
dracoslayer16 can confirm. Friend of mine nearly had his lower leg torn off by a big ass boar. He’s got spot in his leg where you can almost poke through the other side with how deep the bite was.
Yeah because you shoot them with a .22 rifle, try a shotgun and the turkey will give up the ghost way faster.
there is also emus. as far as i know they are also pretty hard to shoot... (scared austrailian noises intesify)
How do you survive a dinosaur like Utahraptor?(Bigger than movie raptors) Easy.
Just run away from it with a friend who's slower than you.
I get it, nice ARK reference👌
Use a turok knife.
Galactic Councilor Just Bola your tribe mate
Tranq dart-then meat-then saddle-then watch as your 30 minute long beauty get rekt by everything😂
Sorry I’ll go the bold then best it’s head in way saves you resources 😂
While they were filming Jurassic Park, someone discovered Utahraptor, which is the size you're looking for. One of the filming crew, IIRC actually Spielberg, said that they invented it and then it was discovered.
About the book one, Michael Crichton used the Velociraptor. The thing is, in that time Deinonychus was in the Velociraptor family, and was later decided that it shouldn't be.
So yes, in the book are velociraptors, but not the V. mongoloensis one we refer to today, but V. antirrhopus, which is now considered Deinonychus antirrhopus. Same creature, but totally different taxa.
actually Velociraptor and Deinonychus are members of the same family, but Velociraptors are a different sub-family. just to be more precise
Danilo Oliveira well yeah, we still call them raptors in pop culture, or dromeosaurids scientifically. Utahraptor is there too...
Maniraptorians I think is what includes all critters that look like raptors (and are of course related in characteristics and behavior) (Austroraptor, dakotaraptor etc).
And they are all theropods, which all are dinosaurs and we can go further and further...
Isnt there also a 10 ft version?
@@steveno3141 You are probably thinking of Megaraptor which was named before we had the whole skeleton, when we got more of it it was quickly realized that it wasn't related at all and its sickle claws (which were part of the initial find and assumed to be on it its feet) were actually on its hands.
@@CareerKnight yea that would be it. Thank you for that update.
That raptor was T-posing. We can't win.
You're right, we would need some sort of mIrAcLe.
I was just about to post the same thing when I saw this
@@axeldornelles5292 :o)
Probably humming the Halo theme too. Doom comes for us this day.
THE LEGEND NEVER DIES
Southern Cassowary of Australia is considered a distant cousin of raptors (more aggressive, emu-like) with a dangerous history with the following historical stats.
221 cassowary attacks showed that 150 had been against humans. 75% of these had been from cassowaries that had been fed by people. 71% of the time the bird had chased or charged the victim. 15% of the time they kicked.
Of those attacks, 73% involved the birds expecting or snatching food, 5% involved defending natural food sources, 15% involved defending themselves from attack, and 7% involved defending their chicks or eggs. Only one human death was ever recorded, the Cassowary in self defense after being attacked by clubs by two people, the scuffle resulted in several attempted kicks by the cassowary when the one tripped and fell to the ground, continuing the attack the cassowary kicked him in the neck opening a 1.25cm (half an inch) wound in his jugular, death was shortly after due to blood loss. (only recorded death, is straight at the jugular mmmmm)
Much like many of Australia's Fauna, its reputation of being deadly is blown out of proportion (mostly due to the way British tabloid press reported Australian news multiple times before the invention of global communication - 1 death/attack would be reported over a dozen times in England).
If the Cassowary is an example of raptor behaviour, Food or Defense would be the only reason for an attack you, as long as they don't think your the food, and you ain't swinging at them... you would probably be fine to just walk on by quietly (like at the Pub on a Friday night when someone gives you the stink eye - don't start nothing, don't get near)
Yeah, can't help but think the closest example would be a cassowary, albeit with teeth, small arms and a hankering for flesh. The cassowary is about three times the mass though, even with modern hollow dinosaur bones. And vs just about everything out there, a stick greatly improves your odds.
My Far Cry 3 nemesis
Don't walk on quetily. You're the King of the planet - let the lesser beings know it and adress your pressence with fear and respect.
Jokes aside it's believed that one of the reasons why regular campers and gatherers aren't attacked by animals in the wild is because they behave like they fear nothing - which eliminates them from the potential prey category. Predators are very picky and catious beings since a wrongly picked target may result in an injury that will jeopardize every subsequent hunt and survival.
@@DzinkyDzink nice plan, but cassowaries, like many of the animals that kill humans, are herbivores, and are just belligerent so carnivores know to stay the hell away.
boxhead6177 a cassowary is probably a pretty inaccurate comparison though seeing as cassowaries are much larger, highly territorial fruit eaters. Not being food and not swinging at the cassowary wouldn’t always be enough to avoid an attack, they can be very territorial and will chase any perceived threat that enters their space if they are feeling particularly angry. A velociraptor is probably more comparable to an eagle that can’t fly, chances are if you approach it it’s going to avoid you given how much larger you are than it
Micheal Crichton didn't use the name velociraptor because it "sounded cooler" he used it because at the time Deinonychus was called Velociraptor Aentyrhopus.(sorry if i misspelled anything, too lazy to check)
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Velociraptor
Read the popular culture paragraph.
Technically, both reasons are accurate, as Micheal Crichton, preferred the original name of Deinonychus, being Velociraptor antirrhopus, over the former.
I also want to point out that both the Velociraptor and the Deinonychus, belong to the "Dromaeosauridae" Sub-Family, Sub-Family, originally known as the "Velociraptorinae" Sub-family.
I think it's a little bit of both reasons, I doubt much movie viewers could pronounce or remember the name Deinonychus, "Look the girl is been chase by the... what's the name of that animal?"
Just to quickly clarify the different names and animals that are being tossed around when discussing velociraptor.
Velociraptor mongoliensis: the small Mongolian theropod of the dromaeosaur family. ~35lbs
Deinonychus antirrhopus: larger North American member of the same family. ~160lbs
Michael Crichton used the name Velociraptor in the novel as antagonists in part because the name could be shortened to “raptor”. But In the 80s some paleontologist (lead by Gregory S. Paul) proposed lumping Deinonychus under the genus Velociraptor. Although this taxonomy is no longer accepted, Crichton used it when writing jurassic park as is evidenced during Dr Grant discussing the different species of raptor with Dr Wu.
Lastly the creatures on film (even larger than Deinonychus, closer in size to Utahraptor ostrommaysorum) are far enough removed from the fossil record that Dino nerds usually use another name, Velociraptor hammondi (after Ingen owner John Hammond), to discuss the movie predators. Although one would have to wonder exactly how much true Velociraptor DNA would have ended up in these giant monsters.
Thought the same thing. I don't have a copy of Jurassic Park with me to verify but read that Crichton even acknowledged Paul and his book "Predatory Dinosaurs of the World" ,published in '88 I think, for some of his inspiration. Which if Paul was lumping Deinonychus under Velociraptor would make sense.
Wow, can't believe I remembered that correctly. But here's the article a saw the information --> www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/you-say-velociraptor-i-say-deinonychus-33789870/
The author calls it an exercise in paleontological pedantry but thinks Crichton probably didn't pick the name just because it sounded cooler. So there's that.
@@jasonwurth6216 Well I don't know that it was just to "sound cool" per se, but it absolutely was used for literary impact. If you remember the prologue of the book is called "The Bite of the Raptor." It covers a worker from the island who was rushed to the mainland in an effort to save his life following an 'incident', and he keeps saying "the Raptor bit him". This causes confusion to the American doctor because it sounded like a Spanish word (latin for plunderer), and colloquially meant a thief. He then uses a classic Crichton cliff hanger and uses the English definition to forshadow that Raptor in english means "Bird of Prey" (which in the film they somehow use as justification for shared ancestry???). In short, I don't know that he thought that the name was so cool he had to use it, and thus adhered to Paul's convention strictly for that reason; but there's no doubt that he had big plans for the name Velociraptor.
maybe they were not so stupid since
Australia lost war against Emu ;P
That was due to numbers, though. And it was only Western Australia, although they did make use of the Royal Australian Artillery.
I hate how people call them Emoos
@@mrflamingo1978 is it e moo or e mew?
Ee-mew
#NeverForget
"Mom this turkey is funny, what's in it?"
"Oh just the flavouring son", smug, "just the flavouring"
So we actually have to worry about deinonychus make a video on how to fight that
Maruthi Nandan we actually do not need to worry about due to the fact it is extinct
Jk I knew what you meant
@@jwilker94 So is the T Rex, Velocaraptor, and funny SNL hosts.
@@andrewgrulke7476 funny SNL hosts lol
Deinonycus would still be fluffy
Or Utahraptor
Never thought I'd be troubled watching a human strangle an animated marker-drawing of a velociraptor...
That being said, wouldn't it be more effective to snap its neck? Though standing much taller, they seem to be quite a bit skinnier than a large turkey, and snapping a turkey's neck is not too difficult (right? I've never tried tbh).
Yeah, breaking the neck brobably works, but if he bites you it's going to hurt a LOT.
@@leonamvonborowsky7559 Yeah that's the thing; like it's gonna just sit there and let you snap its neck.
The main problem are claws on raptors legs, that still can reach your vital organs while you are trying to snap his neck. But, if you do it quickly enough, it would be easier than strangling. Maybe go practice on chickens. (pls don't)
WarlandWriter it would be more affective... To step on it
I mean to pin it down, and then instead of holding it for an extended period of time until it chokes, you snap its neck so it dies in a couple of seconds. Same result, except less holding down and thus less damage to yourself.
“You won’t run into a velociraptor on the street” -Kyle,
Ever seen an Emu?
XD I love how he keeps having conversations with them 😂
>estimating the velocity of a velociraptor is not as complicated as you might think
>explains something complicated
I tried my best to make it not so complicated -- kH
I can't think complicatedly, so he was right
Deinonychus was newly discovered when Crichton wrote Jurassic Park and at the time it was considered a member of genus Velociraptor. Also feathered dinosaurs were not yet discovered at the time. Crichton actually made his dinos far more accurately than anything before or contemporary. We can't hold him responsible for not randomly guessing decades of science that hadn't been done yet
Chris Helvey who is holding him responsible for anything other than naming and describing how a dinosaur looked in a fictional book. I don’t see any casting dispersions on the guy.
That's the thing that people tend to keep in mind when comparing Jurassic Park to the later films; for what was actually known at the time, it was very accurate. Now that we know better, the modern films simply don't compare.
Acording to this article from Smithsonian Magazine it was actually a book for general audiences that suggested Deinonychus be in the genus Velociraptor and this was never accepted by paleontologists. Also says Deinonychus was discovered in the 60s.
www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/you-say-velociraptor-i-say-deinonychus-33789870/
@@paulfenton5673 Yeah, I don't know when Chrichton wrote the book, but I know for sure that Deinonychus has been known pretty long. I'm 40 years old, born in 1978 and I was a Dinosaur nerd kid in the mid-80s, loooong before the Jurassic Park movie made that mainstream. 40 years is old by internet standards, of course, but not that old when it comes to important stuff, like basic scientific theories. Those usually don't change that much that fast, but they did when it comes to paleontology. When I was a kid in the 80s, my parents bought me books about Dinosaurs and those books still depicted Tyrannosaurus as walking upright, like Godzilla and they weren't even sure back then whether the Yucatan Asteroid actually killed them. It was just one of many possible causes back then.
Still, Deinonychus was in those books. I'm not just sure that it was discovered at the time because of those books though, but also because I remember there once was a paleontologist visiting our school when I was in 5th grade, in 1988 and he gave out tiny fossiles as prizes to the winners of a quiz at the end of his lecture. I won the main prize by knowing what Deinonychus was and that the name meant "Dreadful Claw".
So unless the book was written at least 10 to 15 years before the movie was made, Deinonychus can't have been newly discovered at the time.
@@TrangleC Jurassic Park was published in 90 but Crichton started working on it around 83. It still seems to me that Deinonychus had been fairly well described by that point and paleontologists did not consider it in the genus Velociraptor.
“They are essentially just turkeys with a lot of sharp stuff”
Lol best line ever
"We can't go back to their time, so-"
*Kyle quantum leaps into this video and slaps himself
Hey Kyle
Great episode as always :D
2 Questions
1) My favourite dinosaur is Ankylosaurus, with dinosaurs as big as T-Rex could their shells/armour really take that kind of punishment/damage without breaking?
2) With the idea of Jurassic Park "Velociraptor" in people heads, you need to make a "How to fight Deinonychus"
Take Care and Be Well
The T-Rex would break first, as the club on the back of the tail is very powerful.
@@_Nicoleo_ that tail-club is devastating when planted in the right spot, but if T-Rex sidestepped the tail, with those massive jaws could the T-Rex have enough jaw pressure to penetrate the back shell/armour? Or would the T-Rex Have to flip the Ankylosaurus like Indominus Rex because the shell/armour is impenetrable?
@@james_xl_quest7251 It seems that the T-Rex had a bite force of around 12000 pounds and for the sake of guessing anywhere from 400,000 to 500,000 psi if taken from the tip of the tooth. If around 60 teeth were in contact with one of these plates, that would put us at ~7000 psi. Due to the nature of fossils, it is hard to say how strong they are, but the fibers inside are very similar to kevlar. Plugging in the thickness of the plates (about one centimeter), the ankylosaurus is screwed. Or it would be if it didn't have one of the most effective defense strategies of the late Cretaceous period. There is absolutely no way that the t-rex, not known as being nimble, would be able to dodge a 100mph fastball that weighed as much as a few dozen bowling balls slamming into the leg.
@@_Nicoleo_ OUCH! LOL
So T-Rex may have a good chance of getting those massive teeth through Ankylosaurus shell/armour, but doesn't matter too much since the shell is a secondary defence after that sledgehammer tail :)
Awesome! Thank you for your insight :)
Take Care and Be Well
What up, Anklyobro! The ankylosaurus has been my favourite dinosaur since I was a little boy. Love those things!
Uhh, hate to break it to ya, but Deinonychus was *not* human sized. bigger than the Velociraptor but still quite small. If you want human-sized raptors, you're looking for Achillobator, Dakotaraptor, or maybe Utahraptor. Not Deinonychus.
Edit: My examples are human height, but Deinonychus was human *size* like Kyle said.
^This.
Deinonychus was about the size of a large jaguar, not a human.
@@magnathrax7360 isnt a large jaguar practically human sized tho? if you picture a large bipedal jaguar then id wager it stands at about similar height as a human being
@@erbgorre I meant length-wise. Probably should have phrased that better.
EDIT: Plus, you have to take into account the fact that jaguars are quadrupedal, while Deinonychus was bipedal and even then shorter.
And new fossil evidence points to the idea that the raptors in JP were simply mislabeled Dakotaraptor, Utahraptor, or a mix of both, which were formally described after the book and first movie came out (2005 and 1993, respectively), so they stuck to consistency. Once genus of dinosaurs often does have multiple species within it, so it is not too unlikely that the raptor type shown in Jurassic Park was never given its own genus and just described as another species of the Velociraptor genus.
Also Dr. Wu admits that the DNA splicing makes them inaccurate in life, which is a catch-all excuse for paleontological inconsistencies.
@@magnathrax7360 Lengthwise yes. But definitely not mass-wise. Deinonychus being built like a bird is makes it very light. Still a fair comparison though
Do one about Deinonychus!!! I've been raving about the true cocostars of JP for years! Glad someone finally gave em a public outing!
3:24 velociraptor T posing
Why use your hands? Even if your unarmed doesn't mean you can't arm yourself. While I was in the Marines they taught us to use "weapons of opportunity". If I see anything around me that I can use as a bludgeon I'm going to use it. So for me I'm picking up a big rock and crushing that chicken. So remember kids, crush the chicken, not choke it.
I am sure in the enviroment we are looking at there would be branches to use, a good meter long wacking stick would be the bees knees.
If they are only 3 feet tall, kicking might be great too ... if the creatures jump to bite the upper torso there’s good reason to believe that you could either punch or grab the thing mid air. But like Kyle said- it would cut the crap out of you (my paraphrase) so long stick or rock it is!
@@ZEPR0FESS0RR punt that sucker like a football!
@@MrRobinhalligan "batters up!" - Biff Tannen
Choke it on your own time, jarhead. Lol. But on a serious note, I agree wholeheartedly. There's ALWAYS a weapon around you, you just have to learn to see/identify them. Every time I'm anywhere out in public, I'm constantly scanning my environment; for suspicious body language, the sound of footsteps, rough analysis of every person near me and their mass/estimated strength/any signs they may have a weapon or some amount of training, and weapons of opportunity (head on a swivel, but subtly). Also, if you're going to kill a chicken (or chicken-like creature), you shouldn't let all that fresh meat go to waste.
This is great information! Will help me survive the upcoming dinosaur apocalypse!
A dinosour apocilypes sounds scaryer than a zombie one!
@@pineappleproductions1696 check out a horrible series of Movie called Carnosaur.. its scary as shit and absolutely horrible at the same time.
Where can I find that movie?
@@timothymcintire5747 en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carnosaur_(film). The whole series is Horrible, gruesome and Scary as fuck..well it was when I was 9 lol
Something about hypothetical animal fights that people never seem to include, infection. My wife's cat is basically feral, only let's my wife touch it, on rare occasions. This cat got out on the roof one night. I was nominated to retrieve the cat. I grabbed it by the scruff of it's neck, and holy shit, I got the cat back in, but, not before suffering some serious bites that required having two of my knuckles surgically irrigated and a four day stay in the hospital on some serious IV antibiotics.
Without modern medicine I would've gone septic and died.
So, while you may be able to crush one of these tiny things, if you don't get to the hospital in time, in many, many cases this match is ends with both of you dead.
In the first place, given the stated size and weight of the organism, your biggest problem in a confrontation would be catching it--the poor thing would probably run screeching from the towering biped. In the second place, if it was stupid enough to charge, rear back and give it the best field goal kick you've got (I take as given that your hiking boots survived the time-jaunt). In case of a flock's attack, remove your shirt, tie off the neck and sleeves, drop a rock inside, and you have an improvised flail. Of course, all this goes out the window on Jurassic Island, since Crichton's dinos were creations of genetic engineering with admixtures of frog and modern reptile DNA. The island's raptors might be agents of a hive-mind with sea-snake venom in their fangs, or some damn thing.
I vote we change the name of Velociraptor to Fang Turkey.
Pointybois
More like fast theif
Squid tested. Squid approved.
I am not sure we should let you vote.
*_f a n g t u r k e y_*
How about a pointed stick? Really, if they weren't very bright and so fast that their inertia would be hard to halt, a pointed stick might be an effective weapon. Spears are a LOT more effective than people assume they are. Actually spears beat swords in medieval combat recreation more often than people would think given the incredible simplicity of the weapon (it's a pointy stick) and if a Velociraptor lunges at you, they would be doomed if between your fleshy bits and their claws was a long pointy stick. And a long pointy stick if you're in the woods is in good supply. So before beating one to death with your bare hands you might want to consider picking up a stick or even if you just use it as a club that would be a better idea than your fists.
The best pointy stick is the arrow.
I'd be very into a "Fight a Movie Velociraptor" episode like this one, armed and unarmed.
Also into a "Fight a RL Utahraptor" episode. Could also discuss whether Utahraptors in packs could have taken out Sauropods, that'd be fun.
Great episode Kyle, and yeah that random guy in the beginning was a handsome devil! ;)
why are we doing this video? It should be "how to fight a Utahraptor".
DiabloZero well it’s more like deinonychus, because Utahraptor were even larger than the ones shown in the Jurassic Park movies growing up to 20ft long for the largest specimens
From our findings Deinonychus was not as tall as a human (standing around the height of 6ft humans waist).
But it did weigh about the same as the average human (160 - 220 lbs). And since mass is a better representation of size it was technically human size.
Kyle if you dont make this a series I will find you.
Fight a mammoth. Or a smilodon. Or a Triceratops. Or a ankylosaurus. Or a therizinosaurus.
And what would these numbers be in humane, metric system?
@@WwZa7 From Wikipedia I find a "hip height of 0.87m" (the head height would depend on posture, but roughly around the waist of a 1.8m human). Weight estimates range from 73kg to 100kg.
Also: when faced with an Ankylosaurus, there would be the first option of not provoking it (including not coming too close), and then running when needed. Even if it were able to sprint, you're probably able to outlast it if you have sufficient head start - hence the not coming too close bit.
Might want to rephrase, that's definitely not average mass for a human. Probably a human male?
Also when we're talking about average mass, this doesn't take into account overweight people in the statistical sample, where much of the mass doesn't equate to strength.
A more useful way of looking at it might be to imagine what the average mass would be if each individual knew what mass they had at around 12% body fat (healthy range is 8-19% apparently), this will be lower.
That range is indeed a bit too high for average human weight - the global average weight of adult humans is 62.0 kg (136.7 lb). If you're looking for the average ideal weight: I've been looking for data on the average height, but I can't find it globally. For the United States, with average male length of 175.7 cm (5 ft 9 in) and an average female length of 161.8 cm (5 ft 3 1⁄2 in), the ideal weight of the average-length person would be 71kg (157lbs) for a man and 60kg (132lbs) for a woman. This is using the Devine formula, on en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_body_weight. Human height data sourced from en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_average_human_height_worldwide.
Humans did fight mammoths and smilodons. We won.
But since the raptors in most of pop media are based on animals like Deinonychus, Utahraptor, or Dakotaraptor, I feel that either this video or a follow up one should address those particular circumstances.
Also, scenario 2 is assuming that the average urbanized person could even get the drop on a Velociraptor in the wild. Aside from their superior eyesight, Dromaeosaurs had a highly efficient sense of smell and hearing too. So they would probably hear and smell the average person stumbling through the vegetation long before that individual could get the drop on the raptor.
And there is some evidence of grouping behaviors from some Dromaeosaurs, like some tracks of from China, of 3 presumed Achillobator that may have been travelling along a shoreline together, with their track ways spaced apart like the animals were all there at the same time. And there's the circumstantial evidence of multiple Deinonychus teaming up to take down larger prey animals, like Tenontosaurus, from both the numbers of shed teeth and corpses of animals that may have died in the take down - not that these predators were necessarily actually living together as a pack, but could have teamed up as a mob to take down the larger animal. So while we don't have clear, definitive evidence for packing behaviors in specific animals, like the Dromaeosaurs, that does not mean there wouldn't be moments where even solitary animals would team up to take down larger prey items.
Thank you, I totally agree. Without covering Utahraptor liiiikkke, wth man.
I though the Deinonychus stuff was claimed to be evidence for scavenging behavior since there were an absurdily big number of individuals to be a pack considering the amount of meat Tenontosaurus would have given to them. The group of Utahraptor were found in a tar pit, so it was probably a predator trap. Agrupation of individuals toghether is a little bit unconclusive for saying they lived toghether, now footprints are much more conclusive evidence and it is quite interesting what you mentioned. Can you please give a link to the article?, I want to read it.
@@Ditidos The argument for either group of Deinonychus mobbing or scavenger a Tenontosaurus could go either way with available data. Either several random Deinons could have happened upon a carcass over several days, or a large number of very hungry Deinonychus could have been waiting along a game trail and then converged on a Tenontosaurus already in poor condition, which does happen with several predators today, including large hawks and some eagles too. But in either case (gregarious/packing or not), there seems to be a high number of Deinonychus in the area at that particular time, and there are multiple hypotheses that could account for that.
The paper about the track ways is "Behavioral and faunal implications of Early Cretaceous deinonychosaur trackways from China". And here's a link to the paper too link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs00114-007-0310-7
@@jaredmc7982 Ah, thank you. I will give a look to the paper, it seems interesting.
In the multiple Deinonychus in the area,it is a little bit too vague of a clue to really be able to stand out by itself alone. I would say we need more evidence pointing out that they are pack hunters as that is not such a definiteve evidence by itself alone.
Best ad placement I ever saw. Right after your "because" an ad started with "everybody needs a little yoga in their life"
"It's probably a good thing Velociraptors are seperated from us by 75 Million years, because everybody needs a little yoga in their life" ...makes sense
Utahraptor! I wanna see this but with the utahraptor that is wayyyyy more intimidating! Utahraptor was basically velociraptor and deinonychus but bigger and scarier!
This video is wrong. Everyone knows that velociraptors = displaceraptors/ time.
Don't you mean timeraptors?
Hey that's my joke, from the last video 😅😅 but good one
Yeah Kyle missed a vector symbol there
@@dogglaz8729 not time raptors because then the raptors would cancel out and you would just be left with velocity again
He made a similar joke in the video title
9:35 get one by the neck and use it as a weapon against the rest?
I thought of this hahaha
You ever get so crazy, you hit a raptor with another raptor?
That was a cool video. I’d love to see a follow up video about how to fight a deinonychus, Utah raptor, mega raptor and win. I’d be interested on how we’d fair against a larger size raptor.
This is the video that I've been waiting for for ages!
How to fight a titanboa
Time sensitive question plz respond
haha -- kH
Hmm. While it may be that Michael Crichton may have originally framed his Velociraptors on Deinonychus, given the tactics seen in the movies, the Utahraptor (Achillobator giganticus) might be a better fit. Not only is it a closer fit in size, the claw and muscle structure fit better too.
With Deinonychus, their middle claws are focused to a sharp, jagged blade on the inside curve (unlike the Velociraptors' presented in the video), suggesting that they used them for strong, slashing attacks. Utahraptors, however, have a strong piercing point, but a dull interior. This combined with their disproportionately strong back muscles suggest that they used their claws mainly to afford purchase as they climbed, similar to crampons.
The fight at the end of JP 1, with the T. Rex in the lobby, has the raptors jumping at the Rex, trying to climb it. In JP 2, in the long grass, we see them use their powerful leaps to pin their opponent, not slash them.
With these repeated themes, I think that the Utahraptor is the closest we can get to our Hollywood monsters.
Also, I'd like to say thank you for not using the pop-culture "distance raptor / time raptor = Velociraptor" as we all know the raptors would cancel out and we'd only be left with Velocity.
As has been mentioned- Utahraptor would be closest to the movie version. Now do that one!! 😁 Great job on all your vids- I am making my way through all of them. You are fun to watch and learn from!
I know how you can defeat Velociraptor:
You should rend his head from his shoulders
You should smite him where he stands
Make him rue the very day he stole your kingdom from you
I was wondering if a "scare them off" tactic would be effective. You know, by pretending you're bigger than what you really are and making some loud noises. But then I remembered that they used to hunt animals several times bigger than humans, so maybe not so effective.
Loving your show, Kyle! Keep at it!
It's certainly _possible_ that it could scare them off. If they predominantly ambushed their prey, then they probably wouldn't like a head-on confrontation.
I wouldn't especially want to count on it, though.
They hunted defenceless animals, if you looked like the bigger threat (easy to do vs a chicken) then they probably wouldn't take the risk.
One thing to remember when fighting against predators is that they have far faster reflexes than we do. Like the reflex arc of a tiger if you were to reach up and grab the tiger's tale it can turn around and bite you before you realized he moved. Sometimes making lots of noise and making yourself bigger is helpful, sometimes backing away slowly facing a predator and not running away which makes you look like prey activating there Chase mechanism. you need to understand the Predators and the situation you're dealing with before you start employing tactics.
By the way the Raptors in Jurassic Park are approximately the size of Utah Raptors but they were discovered just after Jurassic Park the movie came out.
"How to Fight a Velociraptor"
1. Asteroid.
2. Shotgun. Contrary to the movies dinosaurs are not bullet proof.
3. Modern diseases.
4. Habitat loss.
5. Mammalian apex predators.
6. One Punch Man.
Kamehameha
i would pay money to watch this idiot try to kill a large and partially armored predator not to mention the most skilled hunting creature to every walk this planet with a shotgun because true while dinosaurs are most definantly not bulletproof their thick tough skin and kevlar like bone structure would deffinantly make somthing like a shotgun highly ineffective
@@LSDon-gs7bz velociraptor was not heavily armoured or thick skinned.
4th one we all can do
@@LSDon-gs7bz I recommend re-watching the vid. Specifically the part about them being "turkeys with lots of pointy bits". They WEREN'T large, their skin was likely no tougher than say - that of a Komodo Dragon (i.e. tough, for skin, but hardly shotgun-proof), and I don't even know where you got the kevlar bones bit from, but it is utter science-fiction.
Speaking of Jurassic World
Kyle:"Flee in water"
Yeah,Mosasaurs are my friendly neighbors right?
Hi Kyle,
After watching the episode “How far can Sauron see?”, I had a question in mind. In the episode, how far Sauron could see was limited to 130km due to Earth’s curvature, but he had a ridiculously tiny angular resolution, hence seeing in high detail (20/0.002 vision). I was wondering on how to swap the two things, if Sauron was looking at outer space, if he could, how far could he see and how clear?
We can see stars light years away from us with no effort, technically your vision's range is unlimited in space
(but how clearly? That's something entirely dependent on Sauron's eyes' limit of resolution... and maybe how you define 'seeing clearly' )
Isn't the world of Lord of the Ring flat?
@@Vulcano7965 Actually, Eä (the LotR universe) canonically exists in our past. Arda (the planet on which LotR takes place) is just Earth before magic, elves, etc. ceased to exist. I believe the general consensus is that Earth is round, so negatory.
Uhhhh EXCEPT THE EARTH IS FLAT... DUHHHHHH. THE MOON IS A HOLOGRAM AND GRAVITY DOESNT EXIST AND wait what was I talking about again?
I think he already did a video on this
I would definitely lose to a velociraptor, I’d keep trying to pet them as they eat my face off. “You’re so precious! That tickles hahahaha *death sounds*”
I want to poke the web things on the side of dinosaurs mouths
7:00 There’s another T-shirt idea for you “velociraptors: basically just turkeys with a lot of sharp stuff”
Kyle, since I am an aspiring paleontologist, it makes me happy to see that you haven’t given into believing pop culture and their outrageous beliefs.
I'm sorry Kyle but emus are clever girls and boys. They won a war against humans with guns
Another one who has been Oversimplified. Nice.
But their victory was short-lived. The Australian Government but a bounty on emus.
20.000 emus vs three humans, with two guns, to be exact.
Very useful info for my life, my cat is crazy
Damn, I've been working on a fantasy novel taking place millions of years where there are dragons protecting the world and because of that the meteor never hit and dinosaurs never went extinct and I had a scene planned for the protagonist to use crude alchemy mixing together stuff he found in the wild to buy time and get away from a velociraptor alive but I guess now its a deinonychus. Although I do love the idea of having him trying to get away from a plausible pack of sharp danger turkeys.
8:02 Kyle definitely enjoyed that shot
You should do an episode on how to beat a movie velociraptor too!
I’d be very interested 😉
How to fight a quiet place monster ??
I think he did this already. If you watch the movie they already figure out how to fight them. (SPOILER) I think it was high pitch/frequency noises that hurt their sensitive ears causing the armor to come off /move out of place exposing the softer insides and leaving them vulnerable to attack
@@Articdragon724 meaning that they had they exact same weakness as the Martians in Mars Attacks.
"Handsome guy" 😂😂
Kyle is the best.
8:00 damn, Kyle be brutal! D8
Would be cools if the next one is about Aquatic Creatures.
A turkey sized Velociraptor would still deal out lethal damage very quickly. Far worse than a cassowary would. Think more along the lines of 4-legged golden eagle.
Marty Smith a cassowary would do way more damage than a golden eagle or a velociraptor. It’s way bigger than a velociraptor and probably has a lot more force behind its kick, it’s claws are also way longer and it’s longest claw is actually adapted for cutting rather than gripping like with velociraptor
I dont think that they would be worse than a cassowary but like a 4 legged eagle, yes or a swahn with big claws and arms xD
A cassowary is far larger and stronger than a velociraptor, not to mention they also have a large claw that has been known to eviscerate threats
@@PlasticGhoul Sure, they (assowary) can still gut you like a fish. A velociraptor would do it FAR more easily and efficiently. The toe claw and general physiology of a raptor is
perfectly geared to this as a survival strategy. Its like comparing humans and chimps on tree climbing ability. We can still "do it", but its more of a diluted,vestigial ability.
Marty Smith they stand at 6 feet tall and are 100 pounds and have a claw that measures the length of an average American penis
6:34 Mr. Velociraptor: i want a mustache!
Love that d/t raptor pun
Now this is good content rock climbing thor.
So, basically, they where large ground predatory birds with some nasty claws and teeth, not something you'd want to mess with, especially in groups, but you could probably overpower and kill one or two if you had to with your bear hands. Sounds about right.
Pretty much, yeah.
Imagine Hafthor Björnsson (the mountain form game of thrones) against a velociraptor, shit I think he could take out a triceretops 😂😂😂🤣
With your bare hands, even. If you're using bear hands, even better -- those claws would make short work of a velociraptor. ;)
@@coryzilligen790
Oh-ho. Is funny because is common typo!
th-cam.com/video/UBztjzDr0fM/w-d-xo.html
I just wanna know how easy it would be to punt one like a football. If a single one ran at you, could you just give it a good kick and send it away.
It weighs 12 pounds just punt it.
Tristin Turner like a furry, spikey soccer ball
Kilograms, not pounds. 1 kg is more than 2 pounds.
it's 13 pounds, not 12.
@@krisztiankormos4421 true but in this case it makes so little difference that it is hardcore pedantic to point that out.
Yeeeeeeeeetttttt
I would probably be most fearful of a mossasaur, because ya know, big thing in deep water
Cant wait for the Southern Cassowary Park cinematic universe
Those birds are quite deadly....
edi *Very
@@franigorthanatos_alterna86 I'm using _British_ English ;-)
Easy treat them like dogs but as well as Emus.
ah yes, fluffy pet AND a very large bird
what could possibly go wrong!
If we tamed them they would be emu dog hybrids
3:23 even velociraptors must T-pose to show dominance
Best quote: (6:59) turkeys with a lot of sharp stuff
What about an carnotaurus? They're big, quick and agressive af
Well they're not very big they're "only" 4 meters tall but they were the fastest big carnivore (as in the class big carnivore i didn't make the rules)
Plus they changed skin color in the books
@@themanofmemes4911 big, not huge, 4m tall is at least 2x a human, while they'll easily outrun anyone, probably will be some cat and rat fight like T-Rex but worse for us
That would be pretty interesting, considering Carnotaurus is the fastest large theropod known.
But i would like to know how to win so...actually good idea
Next year on Because Science...how to fight an ankylosaurus.
@@sideswipe123103 that would possibly safe you if you are good at dino-rodeo(i know ankys wouldn't be as bad as a bull but still) but you wouldn't win.I don't think you could do much against it at all if you are unarmed,they could take on almost every predator in their time period with a very high chance of success due to their armor and devastating tail, but i would try to use the environment, like baiting them to fall off a cliff or something😂.
@@k-hut9344 Maybe it would work if you get on its back, climb to his neck/head and punch him in the eyes or stab those with something?
Avoid the docile creature
@@sideswipe123103 Then better hope it is a species without spikes on their back ...
(3:23) *ASSERT YOUR DOMINANCE*
Note that at the time of writing the novel, velociraptor in jargon referred to not just the mongoliensis, but all dromeosaurs (which included the larger deinonychus and utahraptor). Also, Alan Grant mentions that he's skeptical of the Doctor's claim that the velociraptors on Nublar were of the mongoliensis species (the Doctor wasn't a paleontologist after all. So no, the writer did NOT use the name because it was cooler, just that deinonychus used to belong to the velociraptor genus once upon a time. Thank you for reading.
Just a pedantic correction, it's pronounced eemyou not eemoo.
Also, if you want to see a big dangerous bird look up a Cassowary. Now that's akin to a movie velociraptor.
The one scenario you didn't mention was if you found yourself looking at each other about 10 feet away and you were unarmed. With the speed and jaws, I don't see you coming out alive assuming you both go for each other around the same time where both of you were ready to fight by the time you were in attacking range. I can see best case scenario in that situation is the dino goes for your leg, it would hurt like heck but you can fall ontop of it and it would be like the previous situation but you would come out a lot more damaged. Worst case scenario (since we know that they are smart enough to go for the neck on other creatures) it would jump up and go for your neck. This fight would be more complex, all depending on speculation which is probably why you didn't include it, but in order to survive, you would have to first grab it's neck and bring it to the ground as quick as possible before it can sink it's claws into you. Then you would have to try pinning its limbs to prevent it from fighting back too much before going back to pounding it's head and choking it. The one thing I will say, though, is judging by it's features, we might as well say it is a large cat with bird feathers and a crocodile's mouth, so lets just rename it to the Caturkodile.
Not gonna lie. I watch this channel for two reasons, 1: I’m a nerd and this science is fun 2: you look like Thor without Moljnir and I support you keep up the good work
7:15 If your unarmed then why are you alone. How would you tie your shoes.
So, I basically just watched Kyle strangling an extinct animal to death...
*NICE*
where's Kyle i only saw Thor😼
I lost it when he started doing that. Lol
Hey Kyle, long time viewer, first time commenter. Always love educational content mixed with humor you create.
Quick question. You mentioned that their necks aren't particularly strong? If you were going up against several of these little guys, wouldn't it be best to grab their necks and snap them as quickly as possible? This way you're not wasting precious seconds waiting for the oxygen depletion to knock them out. Of course you're probably still going to become dino-meat, odds aren't in your favor as you said, just throwing out my two cents since you say you always try to read every comment after you upload your videos. :)
So, kill them like chickens.
On the bright side you just went from fighting barehanded to fighting with a flail lol
Grab 2 by the necks. Use them to hit the others
Yeah, use them like nunchucks
@@joshingle8532 Kung Pow style!
Velociraptor's most horrifyingly efficient method of hunting was its fantastic t pose capabilities, truly fascinating
Finally, some useful knowledge in my recommendations
Thanks for this, Kyle. One of the reasons I have soured on the Jurassic Park movies is that they haven't kept up with the science, particularly regarding T. Rex and Velociraptor (they had feathers, people!). Real discoveries are more exciting than cynical summer cash-grabs, anyway.
You could probably just look big and make a lot of noise to make it go away. My labradoodle can make a whole pack of coyote stop their yipping with one bark. They could take him in a fight, sure, but they don't want to take the risk. Heck my other dog is only 25 pounds but he chased at least one bear away in his lifetime.
the part when you grab the neck and hitting it is the most fun part i click like immediately keep up the fun videos from one of your subs in Indonesia
Nobody:
TH-cam 1 year later: Hey uhhhhh, Wanna fight a Dinosaur?
Great episode, I love the show! The only question I would have is, if you are back in time with those Dino’s wouldn’t the last thing you would want to do while trying to get away from them is run into a body of water? In the water you would have much bigger, meaner, and hungrier Dino’s that would for sure end your problem with the V. Raptor. I would think up a tree would be safer but even then you got to look out for what Jeff Goldblume would say is perfect biting hight.
6:32 Kyle Hill, Veliciwhisperer
As for most “how to survive animal attack” questions I like to refer to Nintendo when describing a certain character, “for his neutral special joker has a gun”
3:24 Ive always wanted to see a velociraptor t posing
I fought a rooster once and lost. This won't be any different.
Please give us more information on this fight. And is there any video
It would be much worse
A velocirooster would have been a better challenge
Been there, done that, got a chicken soup.
HAHAHAHAAAAA best comment ever!!!!
Next you should do how to fight a dodo bird, and lose!
Quote from Oddworld fits here for the velociraptor. One can be fun. Two, you better run.
title: How to Fight a Velociraptor (and Win)
my brain: ATTACK HELICOPTER
Deinonychus
Die- non- ik- us
Not, die- on- eye- kus, yyou missed an "n" in your pronunciation.
Also in such a situation as you have to fight multiple real velociraptors, grabbing a big stick is first priority, that is why we evolved hands and thumbs after all, so we could use tools more effectively. Making sure none get behind you should be next on the priority list, 2 reasons for this really, our arms can't really protect that area, and, as shown in modern predators, showing your back to 1 could trigger the predatory chase/attack response. From there all you would need to do is make sure any attempted attack on you is too dangerous to attempt for the raptors by making yourself seem as big and imposing as possible, this has even been shown to cause bears to retreat in modern-day, and swinging your stick at the heads/arms/legs of any of the attacking raptors. Now each raptor hasto weigh the options in their relatively basic predatory minds, risk getting hurt, and not be able to hunt, by this big thing waving around a heavy stick that i can't get to the weak spots of, or go find something else to eat. The more you successfully injure the more likely they are to take the second option, group mentality and all that.
Also scream at it and/or grab a protoceratops and throw it, crushing the velocirapor.
Considering Protoceratops is estimated to be the size of a sheep, it seems like quite the daunting prospect. Though adrenaline-boosted strength may help in inflicting grievous damage with a ceratopsian.
Thank you. Ive been saying die-non-ikus since i was a kid and was worried I was saying it wrong when I watched this.
@nguyễn minh hoàng 8/8
no, safety is numer one priority
Kyle please talk about how slip space works from halo
Watching him punch a cartoon velociraptor to death made me laugh out loud.
Sorry dude i can't fix your car
*BUT I NOW HOW TO FIGHT A VELOCIRAPTER*
@@Sir_Rexburg CHALLENGE ACCEPTED