My great great grandfather, James Wood Second Class Steward died on the Titanic. Although we know something of his life prior to joining the White Star Line, these episodes have been fascinating in setting the scene for his final days and hours.
There are plenty of discussions on 2nd class, books like on a sea of glass or minute by minute have information. Lawrence Beesley was 2nd class and his discussions are well documented.
No the important gap is that between women and children. 75% of the women survived but only 50% of the children - 9% of male passengers! There are ZERO reports of women standing aside to allow more children to be saved!
Though there were no Indians on boards, there were two India-born passengers on board. One was Henry Ryland Dyer, Senior Assistant Fourth Engineer, born in Jhansi in 1887, and the other was 12-year old Ruth Elizabeth Becker. Like all the other Engineers on board the Titanic, Henry went down with the ship and his body was never found, but Ruth Becker survived, along with her mother and two younger brothers. Another passenger who lived in India at the time was Mary Dunbar Hewlett, who survived the sinking and returned to India. She died at Nainital in 1917. Annie Funk was sent to India as the first female Mennonite missionary in December 1906. In 1907 she opened a one-room school for girls in Janjgir in Chhatisgarh and learnt Hindi. Though she had the opportunity, she didnt board the lifeboats. In her memory, her school in India is called the Annie Funk Memorial School.
Michel Marcel Navratil did not die in the1980's he died on the 30th January 2001 aged 92. William Alfred Gaskell was born in the second quarter of 1893 (almost certainly in April) and he died on the 15th April 1912. He was baptised in St James Church, Toxteth on 3 May 1893. So he was not aged 16 he was aged 19 (give or take a few days).at his death. Looking at my family history I discovered that the First Officer of the Titanic (Henry Tingle Wilde) was my maternal grandmother's 1st cousin. I came across a photograph of a lady from Liverpool (it says aged 50 on the back of the photo) and I thought about throwing it away because I did not know of any family in Liverpool, but fortunately I didn't because I now realise that it is a photo of my great-grandmothers sister, mother of Henry Tingle Wilde. I also recall I have photos of him as a child. The photographs are from Liverpool because his father Henry Wilde moved to Liverpool to work in maritime insurance.
In Japan I saw and heard the large melodion (a mechanical music playing machine that could play many different elaborate compositions in a music box fashion) that was due to be installed on the Titanic when it arrived in New York.
I love your podcasts, but can I make the point that 'steerage' as such did not exist on Titanic. By 1912 third class was called precisely that and where ships carried passengers 'steerage' that was effectively '4th class'. Steerage passengers essentially paid for the crossing. No food or other provisions would be provided - although I am aware that 4th class existed on the German Imperator class. Third class passengers, as you have previously alluded, were actually well-treated on Titanic, as they were on all the major immigrant carriers, in large part due to the increasingly strict rules for entry into the USA - unfit or unwell passengers would be denied entry and the responsibility for transporting rejected passengers back to Europe would fall at the expense of the shipping company that brought them.
Neither the paupers in Third nor the plutocrats in First, but the solid, respectable middle class in Second. Dominic, don't you write for the Daily Mail?
I've been wanting to comment for awhile on your channel, I've found doing so is not as easy as I wish. How do you say what you want to communicate in as few words as possible, without getting lost in the events of a given episode? Brevity? Brevity is good, but also dangerous because it rests upon broad assumptions. I appreciate what you do, appreciate your love of history, but most importantly I appreciate how you've dedicated yourselves to the width and breath of 'things' Like watching the waves wash ashore on the beach, watching the horizon each wave upon the beach seems the same, watching just that shoreline you will miss the storms on the horizon or the rogue wave about to change something forever. Or, caught up in the interaction of the shoreline crabs and the waves, you won't ponder what it means that for centuries sailors were mocked for speaking of rogue waves. You put in a more than admirable effort to see and speak from your toes to the horizon, not easy to do and I recognize the work, wisdom, and empathy required to attempt what you attempt to do. Thx.
Having got to know a number of former White Star crew, retired and settled in New Zealand and Australia, I find it hard to understand how White Star avoided bankruptcy!
Only recently doved Into into this fantastic channel. I had no idea that the tradedy of Titanic's dreadful deathtoll and its histories of heart breaking grief were so hilariously funny. This episode was like a Doug Stanhope gig where half way through a bit, laughing your nuts off you think, oh my god, I should definitely not be laughing at this. Wonderful entertainment.
I have no proof, but I might be distantly related to the Navratil family. My 3x great grandmother was a Navratil who came from Piešťany, Slovakia. It's not far from where Michael Sr. was from, Sereď.
One other rather notable family that didn't make the ship due to change of plans was the DuPonts. They decided to extend their stay, but shipped a large load of luggage along with a recently engaged footman. He got put up in 2nd class, with little to do till the ship docked, and a much higher wage awaiting him (in New York or the Carolina mountains, smae rate wither way). He must have thought he was living right, until the ship hit the berg.. He rates a small display at one of the small museums on the Biltmore Estate, and a note that he did not survive the sinking.
Not to mention if it wasn’t for the coal strike that cancelled the trips of three other white star liners the titanic would have been even more empty, closer to 25-30% reducing the losses if those passengers wouldn’t have accepted the ticket transfers…
9.55 Here we go - how do these guys see the Double Ship theory... Might be interesting, depending on what they say I will check out their version of JFK assassination...
I have always been of the opinion that one must have a “ big entourage” to accommodate a French mistress . Post script . My first job in Liverpool was at Albion house in James street as a junior clerk for white star . Therefore by the grace of the iceberg go I …..
Dominic's eagerness to distance himself from the plausibility of the conspiracy theory is also an indication of his being middle class. His betters would never sacrifice the lives of so many people for mere power and money, that's absurd!
@@jbsweeney1077There was no plausibility, that is the point. Morgan spends millions to arrange a catastrophe (killing thousands) in order for his victim to simply climb into a lifeboat? I think you've been watching too many Marvel movies. Dominic and Tom are historians, not fantasists. I think you are watching the wrong channel.
@@tulyar57 It's exactly what I'd do if I was a Bond Villain. Why shoot someone in the head when you can rely on several unlikely circumstances coming together, and several ways of escape built in which you can't control? I'd also want more credit for getting the iceberg in the right place too. Nobody mentions that, and that was the most difficult part!
Of all the mystique and mystery surrounding the disaster, the bottom line is that she struck an iceberg and sank. Everything else is circumstantial. No different than Oswald pulling off three shots in Dallas. In both cases, there are tons of circumstantial accusations and evidence that's doesn't connect. Thanks ever much
Message to the 2 fake historians I'm unsubscribing I just saw the biased video about Putin and noticed the comments were turned off ? your viewers are not stupid we're not into fake history.
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I just can't understand why there aren't 500,000 subscribers to this podcast....
Go onto lots of other history videos and recommend Tom and Dominics podcasts
They have neglected TH-cam until recently
Shhhh this is YT’s best kept secret! LOL
Give it time!
My great great grandfather, James Wood Second Class Steward died on the Titanic. Although we know something of his life prior to joining the White Star Line, these episodes have been fascinating in setting the scene for his final days and hours.
OK, this is getting good. Finally we have a historian brave enough to stand up for the iceberg!
Awesome!! I love this story telling and history lesson, its fantastic, thank you Gentlemen brilliant channel 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
I could listen to you both all day.
I can't believe how little discussion there is about the middle classes aboard the Titanic, good job guys!
Ah shut up. Always some miserable bastard complaining about everything.
There are plenty of discussions on 2nd class, books like on a sea of glass or minute by minute have information. Lawrence Beesley was 2nd class and his discussions are well documented.
No the important gap is that between women and children.
75% of the women survived but only 50% of the children - 9% of male passengers!
There are ZERO reports of women standing aside to allow more children to be saved!
You are welcome
STATTO! Good to see you back, mate.
You guys are just awesome 😂😂😂😂❤❤❤❤😂😂😂😂
Though there were no Indians on boards, there were two India-born passengers on board. One was Henry Ryland Dyer, Senior Assistant Fourth Engineer, born in Jhansi in 1887, and the other was 12-year old Ruth Elizabeth Becker. Like all the other Engineers on board the Titanic, Henry went down with the ship and his body was never found, but Ruth Becker survived, along with her mother and two younger brothers. Another passenger who lived in India at the time was Mary Dunbar Hewlett, who survived the sinking and returned to India. She died at Nainital in 1917. Annie Funk was sent to India as the first female Mennonite missionary in December 1906. In 1907 she opened a one-room school for girls in Janjgir in Chhatisgarh and learnt Hindi. Though she had the opportunity, she didnt board the lifeboats. In her memory, her school in India is called the Annie Funk Memorial School.
Dyer and Decker - good, traditional Indian names!
Very informative and enjoyable. Thanks to you both!
Michel Marcel Navratil did not die in the1980's he died on the 30th January 2001 aged 92. William Alfred Gaskell was born in the second quarter of 1893 (almost certainly in April) and he died on the 15th April 1912. He was baptised in St James Church, Toxteth on 3 May 1893. So he was not aged 16 he was aged 19 (give or take a few days).at his death. Looking at my family history I discovered that the First Officer of the Titanic (Henry Tingle Wilde) was my maternal grandmother's 1st cousin. I came across a photograph of a lady from Liverpool (it says aged 50 on the back of the photo) and I thought about throwing it away because I did not know of any family in Liverpool, but fortunately I didn't because I now realise that it is a photo of my great-grandmothers sister, mother of Henry Tingle Wilde. I also recall I have photos of him as a child. The photographs are from Liverpool because his father Henry Wilde moved to Liverpool to work in maritime insurance.
In Japan I saw and heard the large melodion (a mechanical music playing machine that could play many different elaborate compositions in a music box fashion) that was due to be installed on the Titanic when it arrived in New York.
Fascinating series....and quite depressing hearing about all those who lost their lives.
I totally agree Tom, ‘ripping’ is due a revival 👏🏽
Fantastic podcast!
I love your podcasts, but can I make the point that 'steerage' as such did not exist on Titanic. By 1912 third class was called precisely that and where ships carried passengers 'steerage' that was effectively '4th class'. Steerage passengers essentially paid for the crossing. No food or other provisions would be provided - although I am aware that 4th class existed on the German Imperator class. Third class passengers, as you have previously alluded, were actually well-treated on Titanic, as they were on all the major immigrant carriers, in large part due to the increasingly strict rules for entry into the USA - unfit or unwell passengers would be denied entry and the responsibility for transporting rejected passengers back to Europe would fall at the expense of the shipping company that brought them.
Neither the paupers in Third nor the plutocrats in First, but the solid, respectable middle class in Second.
Dominic, don't you write for the Daily Mail?
I've been wanting to comment for awhile on your channel, I've found doing so is not as easy as I wish. How do you say what you want to communicate in as few words as possible, without getting lost in the events of a given episode? Brevity? Brevity is good, but also dangerous because it rests upon broad assumptions.
I appreciate what you do, appreciate your love of history, but most importantly I appreciate how you've dedicated yourselves to the width and breath of 'things'
Like watching the waves wash ashore on the beach, watching the horizon each wave upon the beach seems the same, watching just that shoreline you will miss the storms on the horizon or the rogue wave about to change something forever. Or, caught up in the interaction of the shoreline crabs and the waves, you won't ponder what it means that for centuries sailors were mocked for speaking of rogue waves.
You put in a more than admirable effort to see and speak from your toes to the horizon, not easy to do and I recognize the work, wisdom, and empathy required to attempt what you attempt to do.
Thx.
Having got to know a number of former White Star crew, retired and settled in New Zealand and Australia, I find it hard to understand how White Star avoided bankruptcy!
Only recently doved Into into this fantastic channel. I had no idea that the tradedy of Titanic's dreadful deathtoll and its histories of heart breaking grief were so hilariously funny. This episode was like a Doug Stanhope gig where half way through a bit, laughing your nuts off you think, oh my god, I should definitely not be laughing at this. Wonderful entertainment.
We have a wonderful Airedale. It was heartbreaking to hear that the six on Titanic died. Very very sad.
I love a good class based podcast.
Ocean liners Design videos are excellent
Front-facing Dominic at the beginning of this episode is something uncanny and terrifying. Well done!
‘Anyone can have a mistake’ 😂😂
I have no proof, but I might be distantly related to the Navratil family. My 3x great grandmother was a Navratil who came from Piešťany, Slovakia. It's not far from where Michael Sr. was from, Sereď.
One every day...
Aside from that .rs Lincon, how was the play?
My best friend in prep school was a Big Underware heir. Lot's of intrigue and debauchery.
12:44 BTW, the family name in Mary Poppins was "Banks." Mr Banks was a banker.
Rose at the top, Jack at the bottom.
As it should be!
Navratil the father drowned; it was his son who became the philosopher!
One other rather notable family that didn't make the ship due to change of plans was the DuPonts. They decided to extend their stay, but shipped a large load of luggage along with a recently engaged footman. He got put up in 2nd class, with little to do till the ship docked, and a much higher wage awaiting him (in New York or the Carolina mountains, smae rate wither way). He must have thought he was living right, until the ship hit the berg..
He rates a small display at one of the small museums on the Biltmore Estate, and a note that he did not survive the sinking.
I think Cunard took over White Star in the end, so you may ask them for recompense for all the plugs you are giving them Dominic!!
Not to mention if it wasn’t for the coal strike that cancelled the trips of three other white star liners the titanic would have been even more empty, closer to 25-30% reducing the losses if those passengers wouldn’t have accepted the ticket transfers…
The first syllable of Widener name is pronounced to rhyme with “side”, not “mid”.
43:46 my Lord, that poor woman. She was coming to America? She couldn’t sail in the other direction, across the Pacific? 😢
26:13 Tom's sliding into darkness?
Well done, Dominic! Seems you missed your calling on the Great White Way!
As I'm watching this I decided to click the BBC web-site ,and in the news there's an article about a titanic watch selling for 900k....so uncanny! :)
the civil servant, hosono, is the grandfather of one of the greats of modern japanese pop music, haruomi hosono. fun bit of trivia for you.
I'm here to represent/back the iceberg community 😊
So, other than that Ms. Lincoln, how did you enjoy the play?
Enquiring minds want to know ... with all that coal ... what was the CO2 footprint of this monster I wonder?
Probably not great.
Not long until fuel oil replaced coal though, so it all turned out happily ever after!
My understanding is that Jenny (the ships cat) remained behind in Southampton.
salute the iceberg
Bob Dylans epic song about the Titanic
He doesnt look as bald with the new angke, great going
The Titanic hit the iceberg. That chunk of ice was the victim.
That iceberg is not guilty
Today's Tech billionaires would bring along their own private lifeboats
It’s disgraceful that this elitist programme fails to cover the iceberg. What happened to balance in recording history?
9.55
Here we go - how do these guys see the Double Ship theory... Might be interesting, depending on what they say I will check out their version of JFK assassination...
Not even close to the REAL conspiracy theory...
18:57 MMM, folios of bacon.
Did I miss Molly Brown?
I have always been of the opinion that one must have a “ big entourage” to accommodate a French mistress . Post script . My first job in Liverpool was at Albion house in James street as a junior clerk for white star . Therefore by the grace of the iceberg go I …..
36:23 No consideration for the have some.
Hahaha that ending xD Someone's gotta stand up for the marginalized and castigated iceberg community!
Dominic's eagerness to distance himself from the plausibility of the conspiracy theory is also an indication of his being middle class. His betters would never sacrifice the lives of so many people for mere power and money, that's absurd!
He's obviously conspiring with elites to conceal conspiracies created by elites to conceal conspiracies about elites.
WTF?
@@tulyar57 Conspiracy theories are low-status. Middle class people don't have enough status to spare to risk engaging with them.
@@jbsweeney1077There was no plausibility, that is the point. Morgan spends millions to arrange a catastrophe (killing thousands) in order for his victim to simply climb into a lifeboat? I think you've been watching too many Marvel movies. Dominic and Tom are historians, not fantasists. I think you are watching the wrong channel.
@@tulyar57 It's exactly what I'd do if I was a Bond Villain. Why shoot someone in the head when you can rely on several unlikely circumstances coming together, and several ways of escape built in which you can't control?
I'd also want more credit for getting the iceberg in the right place too. Nobody mentions that, and that was the most difficult part!
I'm learning so much, I wish I was on the Titanic 😢
No bro
Of all the mystique and mystery surrounding the disaster, the bottom line is that she struck an iceberg and sank. Everything else is circumstantial. No different than Oswald pulling off three shots in Dallas. In both cases, there are tons of circumstantial accusations and evidence that's doesn't connect. Thanks ever much
It's pronounced mill-A because it's French.
I will call you in 15. Sounds yummy
Am getting some pots at home depot. Talk in a few
I keep thinking you guys are smart but then you go ahead and do stuff like pronounce Haiti as Haiti instead of Haytee. Sheesh😂
Message to the 2 fake historians
I'm unsubscribing I just saw the biased video about Putin and noticed the comments were turned off ?
your viewers are not stupid we're not into fake history.
Putin's not a friend of The Rest Is History.
Not watched it but Putin is a war criminal and youtube is full of Russian bots.