YGBSM! The thought process behind taking down SAM sites in DCS, followed by examples of taking out a SA-6 + SA-15 TOR site and SA-11 BUK + SA-15 TOR site. Cinematic landing at the end.
It's been stated before by others - but really appreciating the exposed thought process and the emphasis on the "WHY" aspect behind the various systems and their employment. Gives you the ability to adapt these concepts to what is usually a unique circumstance. Another great video for the 16! Mooooooooooooore!
The sun is a great unused reference I always make it a reference point when I have no time to remember certain headings and I flew around alot so I got disoriented. So before it gets hot I note to myself the sun is on my right when Im going in and it would be to my left if I wanted to go back to safety/egress/RTB etc.
This video was extremely helpful. I am trying to wrap my head around SEAD tasks outside of just ripping off HARMs but more finding the threats and having multiple ways to address them.
"HTS it cannot triangulate... Does not have 2 sensors..." Triangulation is the exact way (beside phase shift) how HTS is working. You have infinite number of sensors when you are moving. Each measurements of the signal phase shift on the antennas of HTS gives you bearing. Those measurements are than triangulated over time as your aircraft os changing position. This is why the accuracy for position estimation of radar emissions is increasing over time. Great video BTW. To the point!
This content is great i've never seen anyone do this much technique to get an advantage against ground targets all i saw before and did before was look at my hsd find a sam site and try to bomb it without any preparation i just went there while staying low and tried bombing it without any getting rid of closer sam systems and this is way better than what i did before it really helps i hope more people see your content it is amazing watched every single one of your videos today without getting bored once and it gave me lots of great info
Imagine being the guys on the ground...they're looking at you fly around over there while you're setting up all your mark points and stuff like, "this isn't going to end well"...lol
Exactly what I've been looking for. Weaseling requires technique that is hard to come by. BTW you can edit the HARM table to include the threats you want or use the HAD to hand-off with PGM2 or 1.
Thank you for this! I don't play DCS myself cause I've never ever had the "will" to spend time and learn but this is useful to know anyway! :D Thumb up and subscribed!
man your fluidity with it is amazing i just only use harms with the hts targeting but imma try using agks and harms this way to see if i can get better with it
Stumbled onto your channel, though much of this isn't 'new' to me, I'm picking up great little tips to improve my tactics. TMS-right on the HAD should cycle between emitter targets, might be easier then futzing with the HARM tables (even a custom one).
IIRC you can use TMS left to switch tables if the harm page is soi but you will still have to then select the radar still. As someone else wrote you can create a custom table but it’s a little painful to do on the fly, even from a safe area. I’ve lost count how many useful things I’ve learned from this single video. Right now I’m using a technique of lobbing WCMDs at a sam site from down low - which is a little wasteful if the various units are really spread out from each other.
still, sometimes I loose sync between maverick and TPD and cant get it back (mav does not react to TPD movements anymore). Also, when I aim at something with my TPD , dive, get close and want to shoot the Mav, it is not on target (somewhere near instead) Somebody got an idea? ..
These videos are great. Thank you! For the last engagement, could you not load the id code for the Tor into table 1 as well to at least save a click and some mousing around? After thinking about it, if you redid table 1 and 2 to put the desired types in the first OSB slot, you could use the Hotas to flip tables and it would auto select the first position. Please don’t ruin another vid with such a violent landing 😂
Hello, Gaffer, I've watched all your videos and I've learnt a lot technniques from you. Thank you for sharing these tutorials with us. Would you mind sharing some missions so we can practice or point out where do you play? I am still new to DCS and haven't done a lot multiplayer. Thank you :)
I have a question, why would you take the mav K when you get a single one and not a D or H as you can get 3 ? I know it doesn't matter for the tuto but I see many people just taking 2 mavs instead of 6
Any extra concern if there is an SA-10 with an SA-15? Have you tried using the ECM pod in barrage mode? I found that sometimes the ECM pod does too good of a job when performing a popup attack. Sometimes the HARM has nothing to guide on.
I learned that with SA-15s, if you do a really low attack near minimum range of the HARM, the SA-15 doesn’t have time to react. I found this out doing low level attacks on SAMs accompanied by SA-15s. So you could just hit the radar on the SA-10 and then climb and bomb the SA-15 or you could hit the 15 with another HARM.
@@neilharrah7365 That's how I like to do it. Usually use 4 HARMs and just ripple them off. The SA-15 can only target two missiles at a time. And like you said once the big missiles are gone you get high.
Irl to destroy a SA-10 & SA-15 site you'd have multiple ships sending decoys, glide munitions, and harms for a TOT attack. You may get lucky doing a pop up but really a SA-10 + SA-15 is a modern threat that requires modern tools to take out. I also have had luck with toss bombing using the HST + TGP with clusters.
Ok now I know why. You have way more mavs, yes, but harms are for sead and mavs/cbu105s for dead(destruction of enemy air defences). Most of the time 4 cbu105s are the best.
SA-6 + SA-15 (TOR) is not that hard since you can basically fly above it. The TOR becomes a huge pain when paired with a long range SAM like the S300 (SA-10). Can't HARM or JSOW it. Have to hug the ground all the way till min range.
This all you told us is nice. But mostly only to the point where you face SkyNet IADS script controlled SAM network of properly layered SAM systems. Unless you are over water, you newer know what's hiding bellow you or what you mistakenly thought is safe area. Then, the guy who pressed the red button will have good noisy laugh watching you in flames.
Behind FEBA there is no safe area to maneuver unless ground units will advance and clear that area from any possible ground-to-air threats, shifting FEBA forward. All CAS FW or RW aircrafts operating bellow 15k AGL behind FEBA should be equipped with detection of IR missiles. But all pilots are in danger there. It's a responsibility of JTAC, to minimize chance of losses.
Nice landing but I bet he forgets to open the speed brake full when the nose comes down.. opens the speed brakes full when the nose comes down. Great video :)
It's been stated before by others - but really appreciating the exposed thought process and the emphasis on the "WHY" aspect behind the various systems and their employment. Gives you the ability to adapt these concepts to what is usually a unique circumstance. Another great video for the 16! Mooooooooooooore!
The sun is a great unused reference I always make it a reference point when I have no time to remember certain headings and I flew around alot so I got disoriented. So before it gets hot I note to myself the sun is on my right when Im going in and it would be to my left if I wanted to go back to safety/egress/RTB etc.
This video was extremely helpful. I am trying to wrap my head around SEAD tasks outside of just ripping off HARMs but more finding the threats and having multiple ways to address them.
"HTS it cannot triangulate... Does not have 2 sensors..." Triangulation is the exact way (beside phase shift) how HTS is working. You have infinite number of sensors when you are moving. Each measurements of the signal phase shift on the antennas of HTS gives you bearing. Those measurements are than triangulated over time as your aircraft os changing position. This is why the accuracy for position estimation of radar emissions is increasing over time.
Great video BTW. To the point!
it also uses direct triangulation with other hts via datalink
I'm not sure the Harm Targeting thingy is actually doing geolocation via Angel of Arrival. Think it's only using FOA and TDOA
This content is great i've never seen anyone do this much technique to get an advantage against ground targets all i saw before and did before was look at my hsd find a sam site and try to bomb it without any preparation i just went there while staying low and tried bombing it without any getting rid of closer sam systems and this is way better than what i did before it really helps i hope more people see your content it is amazing watched every single one of your videos today without getting bored once and it gave me lots of great info
Thank you!
I know right, my Ex-Military Spidey sense it tingling a little bit.
Use f10 map lol
Honestly.. These videos deserve so many more views.. Thanks for the great content!
Appreciate the compliment!
Imagine being the guys on the ground...they're looking at you fly around over there while you're setting up all your mark points and stuff like, "this isn't going to end well"...lol
That landing cured someone's cancer, that's for sure! Nice work -again- with this video!
Are you kidding me?? That was awesome! Earned my subscription.
Thank you!
Dude….. your videos are incredible
Fantastic explanation, made me a better pilot! Keep those videos coming!
Great work! Intelligent and informative, and learned something new again. Thanks for your efforts.
Love these longer videos...keep em comin.
Came across one of your videos a couple days ago and im hooked
Exactly what I've been looking for. Weaseling requires technique that is hard to come by.
BTW you can edit the HARM table to include the threats you want or use the HAD to hand-off with PGM2 or 1.
Thank you for this! I don't play DCS myself cause I've never ever had the "will" to spend time and learn but this is useful to know anyway! :D Thumb up and subscribed!
You dont play DCS and never had the will to learn ----- but it's useful to you. Ok. That makes sense
Love your channel dude keep it up!
Absolutely great explanatory video, thank you so much. And yes, very much a *kiss* landing.
Another great video.
Nice....enjoying these vids
Don't forget to boresight your Mavericks if you do a ground start. This was frustrating the hell out of me earlier until I remembered this.
You make it look easy!
man your fluidity with it is amazing i just only use harms with the hts targeting but imma try using agks and harms this way to see if i can get better with it
That landing at the end😩
This was freakin awesome
Stumbled onto your channel, though much of this isn't 'new' to me, I'm picking up great little tips to improve my tactics.
TMS-right on the HAD should cycle between emitter targets, might be easier then futzing with the HARM tables (even a custom one).
Thx for the landing 10/10
Great vid!
amazing video man, really enjoyed it!!
Thanks!
IIRC you can use TMS left to switch tables if the harm page is soi but you will still have to then select the radar still. As someone else wrote you can create a custom table but it’s a little painful to do on the fly, even from a safe area.
I’ve lost count how many useful things I’ve learned from this single video. Right now I’m using a technique of lobbing WCMDs at a sam site from down low - which is a little wasteful if the various units are really spread out from each other.
gbu38 from high speed/altitude can outrange sa11 in DCS
Do you post your miz files anywhere? They'd be great for practicing.
I plan on doing that in the future. Thanks for the comment!
Question, what's the reasoning for using EOM instead of HAS mode for the second run?
Can you make one with skynet? That might be a gamchanger depending on how well the mission designer set it up.
Uptooted. Tor can usually shoot down Mavs, is it the speed and distance that you flew at before launching that stoppedf the Tor shooting it down?
still, sometimes I loose sync between maverick and TPD and cant get it back (mav does not react to TPD movements anymore).
Also, when I aim at something with my TPD , dive, get close and want to shoot the Mav, it is not on target (somewhere near instead)
Somebody got an idea? ..
جزاكم الله خيرا اخي الكريم وبارك الله فيك
"Water is safe."
*Pyotr Velikiy:*
These videos are great. Thank you! For the last engagement, could you not load the id code for the Tor into table 1 as well to at least save a click and some mousing around?
After thinking about it, if you redid table 1 and 2 to put the desired types in the first OSB slot, you could use the Hotas to flip tables and it would auto select the first position.
Please don’t ruin another vid with such a violent landing 😂
I either didn't know how to do it when I made this or just forgot to do it. It is easy to swap codes around in the tables
15:06 -- totally not in AIRPLANE mode.
Hello, Gaffer, I've watched all your videos and I've learnt a lot technniques from you. Thank you for sharing these tutorials with us. Would you mind sharing some missions so we can practice or point out where do you play? I am still new to DCS and haven't done a lot multiplayer. Thank you :)
I do plan on doing that in the future. Thanks for watching!
@@FLYGaffer Thank you! cant wait for that
@@mikeji9552is it out lol
I have a question, why would you take the mav K when you get a single one and not a D or H as you can get 3 ? I know it doesn't matter for the tuto but I see many people just taking 2 mavs instead of 6
I have no idea how he's designating these targets and what he's doing on the MFD's but its cool
🤙🏻💰
Any extra concern if there is an SA-10 with an SA-15? Have you tried using the ECM pod in barrage mode? I found that sometimes the ECM pod does too good of a job when performing a popup attack. Sometimes the HARM has nothing to guide on.
I learned that with SA-15s, if you do a really low attack near minimum range of the HARM, the SA-15 doesn’t have time to react. I found this out doing low level attacks on SAMs accompanied by SA-15s. So you could just hit the radar on the SA-10 and then climb and bomb the SA-15 or you could hit the 15 with another HARM.
@@neilharrah7365 That's how I like to do it. Usually use 4 HARMs and just ripple them off. The SA-15 can only target two missiles at a time. And like you said once the big missiles are gone you get high.
Irl to destroy a SA-10 & SA-15 site you'd have multiple ships sending decoys, glide munitions, and harms for a TOT attack.
You may get lucky doing a pop up but really a SA-10 + SA-15 is a modern threat that requires modern tools to take out.
I also have had luck with toss bombing using the HST + TGP with clusters.
To your knowledge is the any way aside from an air start of auto bore sighting the mavericks on the f16?
Looks like not, I always get different result defending on distance I'm bore sighting mavericks, It's almost impossible to use with TGP
Good video, but why would you use Mavericks instead of harms? Is it because you can carry 3 mavs on one pylon?
Ok now I know why. You have way more mavs, yes, but harms are for sead and mavs/cbu105s for dead(destruction of enemy air defences). Most of the time 4 cbu105s are the best.
SA-6 + SA-15 (TOR) is not that hard since you can basically fly above it. The TOR becomes a huge pain when paired with a long range SAM like the S300 (SA-10). Can't HARM or JSOW it. Have to hug the ground all the way till min range.
This all you told us is nice. But mostly only to the point where you face SkyNet IADS script controlled SAM network of properly layered SAM systems. Unless you are over water, you newer know what's hiding bellow you or what you mistakenly thought is safe area. Then, the guy who pressed the red button will have good noisy laugh watching you in flames.
Behind FEBA there is no safe area to maneuver unless ground units will advance and clear that area from any possible ground-to-air threats, shifting FEBA forward. All CAS FW or RW aircrafts operating bellow 15k AGL behind FEBA should be equipped with detection of IR missiles. But all pilots are in danger there. It's a responsibility of JTAC, to minimize chance of losses.
Nice landing but I bet he forgets to open the speed brake full when the nose comes down.. opens the speed brakes full when the nose comes down. Great video :)
Why do u keep saying three nine line. What is that about?
I wonder if real pilots can zoom in and out with their eyes....
stop using look closer.. lets see how you manage all the stuff then..!!