So many people seem to not get this though. They think hr are this impartial body that will listen to grievances in a balanced way. You want support, don't go to hr, join a union.
Two things: 1) I can't stand forced socialization outside normal work hours. 2) They really hate it when the employee is in a position to exercise their at-will right and walks out on them.
duuude, this is soo accurate. My boss gets mad at me bc I don't want to party with some co workers after my job. One day I got tired and called him out to call H.R if he continued doing that
My wake up call was being laid off from a company where I worked for 8 years. “It’s just business” works both ways. Work for a company where you can learn and increase your market value and always keep looking. The moment you have something better, jump ship, and say “it’s just business”.
That company family thing is a joke. I work my 8-4 and leave to spend time with my family. Always put yourself first because you know the company will drop you when you're no longer an asset.
exactly. it irritates me when i have to explain why I'm leaving on time. i work 8-5. come in right at 8a and head home at 5p. too many company simps who stay late even though there is nothing to do. and then there are work groups that only include people who go out to lunch everyday. but that gets expensive.
@@bluevan12 yeah i hear you. im of the mindset, i only work 40h per week. so i will be happy to talk shop and waste time on meetings, events, etc. but that means im not working on my task and the deadlines will need to be adjusted.
Totally agree...I always tell my wife “they won’t feel guilt about letting you go, why should you feel guilty about leaving them”. When the chips are down companies won’t hesitate to cut you off.
My grandfather told my mum, who passed this down to me. He said, "Never take work too seriously, remember, at the end of the day you are a number to them". Do your contracted time professionally and then get on with your life
In my area, if you did not graduate from Texas A&M (not part of the Aggie Alums) you will get picked over for employment or promotions by a co-Aggie every time! It's like a dang club! It's who you know not what you know in corporate circles.
Step 1: Make sure you become a valuable asset to the company, so much so that they don't want you to leave (due to money reasons). Step 2: Try and leave as soon as possible. Step 3: Sit back and watch while the true face of the company is unveiled.
@Ironclaw XII at my last employer, anybody who is leaving takes the remaining vacation and resign at the end of the vacation period. it allows for things to be less awkward. but that ends up meaning you lose out on a paycheck.
I was an intern at a Telco company and had been recently promoted to Financial Analyst. Everyone in my ACTUAL family was really happy for me. I was told by my manager that despite the massive layoffs that were going on at the time, everyone in my (rather small) team was safe. I felt relieved. One week later he told me that the CEO demanded at least one person from every team had to be fired. I was the new guy, so I got sacked. I felt pretty ashamed of myself. This taught me never to trust a company again. The good thing is that this turned out to be the best thing that has ever happened to me. I became a full-time freelancer and ended up making way more money working way less hours. So yeah... fuck corporations.
It's true, but at certain points in your life you just kinda bite the bullet and deal with it. Sometimes it is in your best interests to deal with the BS and gain skills. Just because some things suck, doesn't mean they're not always worthwhile.
@Onion Potato same. All the stuff he says would be even better with bernies social safety nets. Boss or corprate screws you, less worries as your skills and that safety net will give you a middle finger to send right back.
Could not agree more, as someone who's dabbled in the redpill community for relationships and such it really amazes me that the same concepts apply to the corporate world. I'm glad I found this channel very early on in my career. Decided to leave my first job because there was literally nothing for us to do and I felt like I was wasting my time. Joshua's videos help me realize how companies arent really looking out for you and that only you can look at for yourself.
A "permanent" job is only permanent until they no longer need you. It makes more sense to work as a contractor charging 2 or 3 times more, meaning you only need to secure 6 months or less of work in a year to match the equivalent salary.
Im an office manager and specifically avoid to do wierd events like this. You are more of a mercenary than a family member. Keep looking for better offers, if you like the job you have ask them for a counteroffer or go on. Be a good worker but don't be anyone's bitch. It won't pay out.
keecefly Right. Looking toward my future based on age... larger company for: a)Medical/dental benefits and b) Surround self w/ stronger, more innovative programmers to soak up and learn everything I can, and c) Move on in 1-2 years to small entrep company or go solo.
the family thing is bs. i got laid off over skype. and locked access to my company computer. and then people simply forgot me. no one once bothered to even call or email. even my boss who kept trying to be a mentor just ghosted on me. and all the while i was there they kept acting like if you ever looking for more money just ask. but when time came they would make excuses like you need this or that experience. leaving them was a blessing in disguise.
True but you have to have a limit to what you demand from the company. It’s so much easier to hire immigrants or hire someone on a work visas. As an employer myself, non Americans make better employees, and no not because we pay them less, we don’t, but they actually work harder; higher work ethics.
And I'm sure the fact you can send them back to their horrible countries in an instant has nothing to do with it. Employers like you is what's contributing to America's terrible economic situation.
@Latisha Queen Pretty sure I do/did more for this nation than you, including 8 years of service, paid massive amounts of local, state and federal taxes from my businesses, employing many Americans, and countless community service ;)
@@skyranger1366 our current Government is a better example, completely turning their backs to the American people yet sending our taxes to other countries
I've been saying this for YEARS no company will be YOUR FAMILY! nothing about saying that is appealing, it's manipulative. Pam working in the stockroom isn't your family member, she's Pam...from stock, and you're a cashier...
Unfortunately I learned this the hard way. Every company I worked at they always said, "We are in this together" and "We are family" but when they are going through tough times then they will lay you off if they have to. At the end of the day, you do work for the company, and they will pay you for your work. However, if you see you can be paid better and get more opportunities at another company, then don't feel guilty about leaving your current company, because if they have to let you go, they won't feel guilty. Preach on brother.
@Scooters Videos Minimum wage,Which im assuming is goverment backed,is not good for workers generally.Walmart and other big anti union companies love minimum wage,because that would put small employers out of buisness.Thus reducing competition.
I can't stand corporate America. I will never forget my direct manager griping me out for being 5 minutes late from lunch one day.😱 She had major "power trip" issues. So, I took control and started my own business 18 years ago.😁 Another con artist institution is college. My earnings have been consistently inline with a physician over the last 10 years and I've spent very little hours in an university classroom with zero school loans. I found my niche in life at a young age and ran with it and never looked back! Think outside the box and go for it!
I hate forced socializing at work. I remember they wanted me to wear a tutu at work to raise money for this charity. I wasn’t doing it due to the emasculating nature of it. They were trying to always make an example out of me and trying to get me fired. Needless to say I found some violations at the company and made some phone calls. I eventually hit them with the corporate lingo of retaliation. They soon came to see things my way.
Regardless of how I feel about a company and the work environment, I never forget that the bottom line of a business is profit and I know that I am expendable.
"It's not personal, it's just business." This is something that is likely spouted by someone who only got their job because nepotism is alive and well.
I worked in an office once where a lot of the employees just liked to hang out together. We did things socially but most of them were organized by us. E.g. We'd all arrange to meet a local bar and go on to a club. A bunch of us decided to play 5-aside soccer once a week and the CEO even came along several times. He was a genuinely nice guy. It was great fun but nobody felt obliged to attend...it was just like "Hey we're all going to XYZ place tomorrow night if you want to come along!' It was more organic than company organized events. We were all 20's or 30's age group
I learned that lesson early in life working in restaurants. so now that Im in corporate america tech support all that sort of BS doesn't faze me no more. its all a joke.. Do not trust your coworkers ...
The "family" concept is so offensive and unprofessional. I just want to come in, do my 8 hours and leave. I have other shit to do. Don't want to have drinks afterwards. Would be ideal if you just left me alone. One meeting a week is fine. Don't need a daily stand up because I get my stuff done. I'm not a baby. The same people that talk about "family" are the same ones that always need someone else's help. Bottom feeders.
An abusive family can be worse than a corporation. I didn't see what horrors a family of abusers could do to a person until after I left the engineering and corporate world. A doctor and I saved an ex girlfriend from alcohol abuse with disulfiram, and she hasn't been drinking for years. Her family has been trying to kill her to take her son ever since. Families aren't always good and can be worse than corporations. We are really lucky to not know how bad a bad family can be. They don't give paychecks.
Exactly. “It’s just business” is just a way to sugarcoat “it’s just slavery”. Company family is another blurry curtain to try and cover up that fact. The paradigm is shifting as people recognize this, so that’s good.
IN slavery you have master and in business, you choose your master. Remember one thing, Everyone has someone over there head. even on the CEO of a company. when you mess up you lose your job and get another one. but if the CEO messes up he loses his company, most of the time everything he owns and hundred and thousands lose there job.
@@EL12111 i doubt CEOs give a rats ass about their employees, they'll do "good" things for their employees if they know that the media is whatching them, to protect their bottom line
I know a sales guy in my last job who always mentioned the company family in his e-mails and then after 5 years or so decided to jump ship to pursue other business interests and yet still mentioned the company family in his leaving e-mail message?
I 100000000% agree with you. I'm actually going through it right now with my current job. And surprisingly, it's a 'counseling' related position. I'm trying to make the switch into the dev life because I just can't take working for corporate businesses anymore. I called out sick (which I rarely do) and my boss literally told me, "well, when i was sick, i was puking into my trash can in my office, but i still got things done." Like is this really the standard we are supposed to live by and be proud of??? Thanks, but no thanks.
Same here!! And the irony of it to work in counseling/healthcare type of fields who have narcissistic sociopath CEOs that don't support or care for us. It's all about profits to them.
This video hit close to home. I wasted two whole years at a company to learn this the hard way. As much as I wish the corporate family could be a reality, especially in creative fields, the people who run it are usually extremely callous and don't care about the craft as long as it's profitable.
You work for someone else, you will always be jerked around and have no security. Find a line of work where you can work for yourself and if what you do doesn't allow it, find something else that does.
In the 80s I worked for a UK division of a giant US corporation. A senior American executive came over, gathered the whole site together and gave a company family rousing speech...which was met by the Brits with silence. The executive was bewildered. I loved it.
I remember one time my boss at a hospital was talking about how he had a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to meet the CEO and I was thinking to myself "My aunt's a CFO and my Dad's an IT Director. What kind of tool would be proud to meet them?"
its only cool if the CEO of a big employer comes out of the blue to meet you for something like a lunch or something. like a surprise in that you met them somewhere and did something for them and didn't know who they were.
Employees, rather unfortunately, can be expendable. What you bring to the table - your value - ultimately matters. When I was laid off in 2015, I was happy because the company wasn’t going anywhere at the time, but at the same time, I was bummed out for losing a house 🏠 (laid off 2 weeks to closing). Ultimately, culture is very important. And you’re right - if you don’t go then you’re not a team player. It’s an interview for a promotion in a sense. Finding the right balance is key and it differs from company to company. I’ve done the escape room with my current colleagues and I enjoyed it thoroughly. I have to say that I have a great team. It’s not always like that for a lot of people though. Thanks 🙏🏾 for a great 👍🏾 Video.
There are definitely plenty of organizations that try to convey a family atmosphere and then go on to have layoffs, political games, backstabbings, and firings.
I was emotionally all in on my first job, I gave them unwavering loyalty and they were all in on my personal life. I didn't make the same mistake in my second job.
This video gave me a flashback to the time where one of the employees was treated unfairly and I decided to step up and voice my concerns because that's what family would do. Even if the situation is difficult you would still want to find a solution for each other and move on together. That's when I realized very quickly that I was the one with the short stick and it made me feel horrible at the time. Now I know that people that ditch you when you aren't valuable to them anymore or oppose their views aren't family. Very rarely I still feel that feeling in my gut that something is wrong and I refuse to silence myself in those situations. Our time is way too short on this weird world to chip away your own principles for someone else's comfort.
If you find yourself saying "we" instead of "them" when talking about your hierarchical employer then you know you are in trouble. It means you are ripe for extreme exploitation.
My previous employer made us use the language of “us”, “we”, “our” when talking about the company. It was so culty. They made a big deal of being “family” but later had a mass layoff
Dude, you're like my spirit animal. You definitely inspired me to take control more of my life and not just conform to the usual 9-5 work (which I never liked in the first place). Once I get enough experience from my current job, I'll find another remote work which is more chill and not draining.
Josh is right on point with the message he is sharing. I have over 20 years of experience in the corporate world as I started out at a young age. I've been through three buyouts, countless reorgs and transformations. I've been relocated and seen team members uproot their family, sell their houses, and moved across the country to only have to do it again only a year later or take severance. Basically, change that affects my job every two years. What has kept me successful has been staying mobile, versatile, adaptable, and steadily growing my skillset and reputation. People get comfortable and start feeling safe which leads to dependence and they ignore the signs of what is coming. Don't drink the kool aid, as sometimes the truth hurts but it is what we need.
I go by the mindset of loyalty to an individual, not a group. Give your loyalty to a person that treats you properly, not the company that brought you together.
I was told many times: "You are part of our family" until one day same guy invited me for 5 min chat, and he told me that my PC is blocked and I have 1 hour to get away. Shocking outcome after 1.5 years of hard working in family
exactly what happened to me. my bosses kept the rat race like we are always crazy busy. and one day sends me an invite on outlook for a 5min meeting next morning without a single word. then next morning surprise surprise layoff.
The timing couldn’t be any better man.... I’m going through office bullshit that’s exposing that fake “office friendship”... FOH I’m fed up and taking the plunge into web dev; learn as much as possible then either freelance or do my best to work remote. Thanks for the video Josh, you reminded me what I’ve known all along but forgot bc of complacency.
I think in general people have a wrong definition of success in life. They say you are successful because you have lots of money, or you are the CEO; but I think you are successful when you become an excelent human being. Thats the greatest achievement.
@Ironclaw XII there is no shame in any job. but there is status differences. not like the person in retail is not a person. but people like the bling that goes with corporate work.
"It's just business" is the excuse they use to justify the means. There's a morale way to treat employees but do corporations care? NO. The larger the company the worse they are! All they care about are stock prices and making the board of directors happy THAT ALL! I will say I've gotten burnt by fake friend coworkers but in my many years I did walk away with two solid gold friends. So it's not impossible just don't be naive. BTW Josh audio is sounding a lot better!
I know this video is old, but Josh, I want to thank you for saying it lite it is. I'm currently working on a stressing shitty place. It's an office but it feels like it's draining my life and youth. Your videos show the nasty side of all companies and their bullshit. I don't want to feel owned by some assholes with money my whole life. I'm doing changes to break my chains.
I swear, in school it's literally the same way, with class mates. They are basically your coworkers, and sometimes they can become your friends, but most of the time, they don't. I had only one summer job, but I feel like I've been working for my entire life
In real world people its never just business. If people were hired for their skills they would be no need to interview so often. What they are looking most of time is people fitting to their culture. Its business when they layoff you but when they hire its about person. This is what irks me most. Its absolutely annoying that companies first expect you to be teamplayer, good guy and think company. When you are suddenly laid off then its just business.. Nothing personal, unlike when you were hired and when you were working. I once went to this company. Interviews went fine. I worked my ass off six months. I also though it didnt go really well but there were other problems in company and nobody really came to give me indication they had problems with me.. One day came in and my superior wanted to have chat on me. I was on trial period(dont live in US) and he basically fired me on that spot. And escorted me out right away. No forewarming, no input before that and just like that I was out suddenly. Thats was fucking annoying. When you work with people that long you would expect somebody would say something if there is a problem. I was not actually really shocked I got fired itself. But I certainly didn't like the way they handled it. Its really tells way you are seen. You were a resource. They did not need to care what I felt. They did not need even think how to handle me and how I would take it. Just get him(me) out ASAP. I felt like piece of meat. If its just business then just hire people with skills. If its not then treat them well when you let go too. But many companies hire persons and layoff workers. Your personality ends when you're fired, you're not person anymore. You were resource and you should know it.
Don't be so hard on employers. They have a really hard time trying to deal with the knowledge that they are exploiting their staff but they are unable to stop because they come first. It's tough.
had very similar experience. "Hi Alex, do you have 5 mins? Want to chat with you" Then.. "Ok. Company is restructuring. Today is your last day. You have 1 hour to leave office, your PC is already blocked, you dont have access anymore. Same guy told me many times how I am good fit for their culture and I am part of their family. Bullshit. Give things their proper names.
Thank you for all these videos on corporate bullshit. I’m graduating at the end of the year and my head was in the sand, thinking that all this shit is not only normal but to be tolerated. So thanks for preparing me about the industry more than anyone or anything at uni ever has. Keep it up.
What grinds my director/manager's gears is when I say I (honestly) have no desire to climb the ladder. They can't manipulate me with that crap. If I want more money, I'll build up my skills and find another job. Then again, I'm not in developing
well nothing wrong with wanting the regular raises as per your role. i know many secretaries and admin who get 6 week paid vacations and make like $80k+ annual.
Hey Josh, love the real talk videos! Lately, it feels like you're just ranting. I followed you for the genuine stuff that made a real impact on me. Supported you on Patreon too! Can we get back to that authentic content? It just feels more personal, you know?
I quite enjoy talking with my coworkers about problems and solutions related to the job. But when they get mad at me because I don't tell them what is going on in my private life, then I know we are usually not on the same page about the definition of being a coworker.
i realized this the moment i started talking to my boss about taking a day off to make up for the overtime i was doing. Our company doesn't do overtime so instead they are supposed to give you paid leave. It's been a year and i still haven't gotten any paid leave, and i'm expected to work even more overtime. Currently looking for a way out.
The company family: if they organize social events, trips, artistic, sports activities and send you for education, conferences and ask your opinion at meetings and the manager eats with the team.If all this does not exists they lie, do not be emotionally attached and do not care so much. This is how i would like my company to work no money in,tools, money out.
In my early 20s I worked for a small family owned commercial printing company. Me and the boss's daughter hit it off and one year I got her extremely drunk at the Christmas work do. I wasn't ever promoted or given a pay rise ever again while I worked there. 🤣
Hey, great video again. I agree with everything that was said here. My question for you (maybe a video idea) is this: How do you go about creating a comfortable culture for all types of employees (if you are a CEO or owner of a company)? I know there are clear problems you’ve discussed with the corporate environment, but how would I as a co-founder, create a better environment for my employees than corporate is creating? Do I make time to learn about each employee? Have 1-on-1 sessions to get to know their passions and desires with no BS? Thanks man.
"company family" is a forced superficial substitute (like Splenda but worse) for proper leadership which takes time. If they are taking short cuts trying to force it they will drop you like a hot potato! True leadership comes from upper management taking ownership for problems that occur from bottom level and up team members. If YOU are IN CHARGE someone there is something YOU could have done better to prevent this mistake. This keeps people humble, focused on solutions, and learning from mistakes. Guess what? This type of culture also builds trust and respect from those working for and with you. Taking ownership of problems is contagious once it starts. These principles ring true for parenting, teachers, corporations, essentially any human relationship. I spent way more time writing this comment than I intended to. Have a great day guys.
Exactly. My ex-fiancee gave me so much cringe cause she would go on about all these team building activities at work, where they even went away overnight to "bond"....and she treated it like a religion. Ugh
After being let go from a few jobs, and feeling kinda betrayed or like I was being dumped by someone I cared about, I finally figured out that we are only employees; When times get tough there are VERY FEW companies who will keep you on. And I understand that many can't - they don't have the funds; But just don't start with all the 'family' nonsense; In my last job I worked with a guy who had been kept employed during the last recession and he kept telling me that the boss is a great guy and won't drop you even if there is a recession; I kinda just nodded and didn't believe it. Sure enough COVID struck, and I was let go almost immediately. The other guy was kept on because he was there 10 years, and I'd only been there 6months - I totally understand, but I'm glad I didn't buy into the false narrative that my job was 'safe'
he is right ..... go to the job get your skills up(important) .. as long you're getting paid you are a worker to them .. I don't think you should create a relationship, in the end, its Thanos snap baby
I remember whenever I had an individual request to HR, which was doable to execute, they were always defending, starting their argument like: "Look, we understand your request, but we cannot give it to you. We are a company, you need to understand that we cannot give every single coworker what they want to have" Well, most of us coworkers are not asking for a ferrari... Some were asking for an office where the air con was defect. Or other things. Also, I noticed from the beginning, HR being the most fake people... so sad. If you start to communicate more openly, you see them STRUGGLING and still trying to be political
Bro this is so spot on. Sooo spot on. That's why self employed for 5 years now! Everyone watching I hope you achieve your freedom. If you have not yet, do it now! Get out of that brainwashing! You can do it. I started with no place to live, living out of my old drafty 1990 Chevrolet pickup truck. You can do it.
And guys remember... HR is not in the company to help you. Is there to protect the company from you. Never ever trust them.
Basically
This was a shocking revelation when I learned that HR is there for the company's interests, not yours.
Yes, thats why i hate HR, phony people doing it.
is that a direct quote from Red Pill Guy?
So many people seem to not get this though. They think hr are this impartial body that will listen to grievances in a balanced way. You want support, don't go to hr, join a union.
Two things:
1) I can't stand forced socialization outside normal work hours.
2) They really hate it when the employee is in a position to exercise their at-will right and walks out on them.
duuude, this is soo accurate. My boss gets mad at me bc I don't want to party with some co workers after my job. One day I got tired and called him out to call H.R if he continued doing that
companies generally don't like it when an employee is in a position to exercise their will, period.
Another word for forced socialization ="fundatory"
the fact that you need to spell this out explicitly is really scary...are people really that stupid?
@@helium3894
They are. 😂
This man is gonna be the reason why I don’t get finessed at my first job
simarimana same bro😂
Everyone gets finessed
Sameeeee
Sameeee
what does it mean to "get finessed" ?
My wake up call was being laid off from a company where I worked for 8 years.
“It’s just business” works both ways. Work for a company where you can learn and increase your market value and always keep looking. The moment you have something better, jump ship, and say “it’s just business”.
@Scooters Videos tru
@Scooters Videos but should i give my 2 weeks when i quit
@Scooters Videos i think, i already gave them Notice
@@WitchLuw you ask the colleagues who are at the company when you just start. many companies is no good for giving notice.
@@asadb1990 When i quit my job i wont bc what they done to me
Skills:
• java
• c++
• good at building spaghetti marshmellow towers
Sounds like me
Totally happened
You don't know how to write leetcode , while a recent college graduate can 'THINK' about linked list.
That company family thing is a joke. I work my 8-4 and leave to spend time with my family. Always put yourself first because you know the company will drop you when you're no longer an asset.
exactly. it irritates me when i have to explain why I'm leaving on time. i work 8-5. come in right at 8a and head home at 5p. too many company simps who stay late even though there is nothing to do. and then there are work groups that only include people who go out to lunch everyday. but that gets expensive.
@@asadb1990 Even worse are those groups on yammer and teams. I'm too busy working to get involved in talking shop bullshit.
@@bluevan12 yeah i hear you. im of the mindset, i only work 40h per week. so i will be happy to talk shop and waste time on meetings, events, etc. but that means im not working on my task and the deadlines will need to be adjusted.
Totally agree...I always tell my wife “they won’t feel guilt about letting you go, why should you feel guilty about leaving them”. When the chips are down companies won’t hesitate to cut you off.
l already knew everything he said in this video but for some reason it's nice to hear it from someone else
Yeah. Some coworkers think you're crazy if you don't kiss the ground your boss walks on, because he's "letting you work".
It is nice to hear the reality from someone else just to know you're not crazy.
It is nice that someone is speaking it publicly, everyone knew that, but everyone was keeping silence.
Sotooooo ajaja todo bien?
Yeah
My grandfather told my mum, who passed this down to me. He said, "Never take work too seriously, remember, at the end of the day you are a number to them". Do your contracted time professionally and then get on with your life
Good advice
I work in HR department and this shit is so true, and the people who work in HR & marketing are completely drowned in their own delusion.
Really direct question i know, but why are you in HR?
@@LucBoerenbecause it pays good money
if you aren't married to the boss's daughter or your dad is not the president of the company, you have a shelf life.
hahaha
Life Goal #78755:
Impregnate the boss's daughter.
#Giggity
In my area, if you did not graduate from Texas A&M (not part of the Aggie Alums) you will get picked over for employment or promotions by a co-Aggie every time! It's like a dang club! It's who you know not what you know in corporate circles.
Actually, at my old job, my boss was the son of the owner and my bosses wife worked there to. She got fired.
True story: Boss's daughter and I started flirting. Few weeks later, she was forced to resign for unrelated reasons. So much for that plan.
Step 1: Make sure you become a valuable asset to the company, so much so that they don't want you to leave (due to money reasons).
Step 2: Try and leave as soon as possible.
Step 3: Sit back and watch while the true face of the company is unveiled.
Basically lol
Lol happened to me. They didn’t pay my vacation days when I left
@Ironclaw XII at my last employer, anybody who is leaving takes the remaining vacation and resign at the end of the vacation period. it allows for things to be less awkward. but that ends up meaning you lose out on a paycheck.
That always seems to happen to me. And some want me to come back. I really don't get it.
I'm going to try this next week. New year, new start...
Keep your side hustle...no matter what! This is from a business owner and former corporate management! Stay focused on your personal success!
InFinite Pivot 🔥
absolutely utterly true
I was an intern at a Telco company and had been recently promoted to Financial Analyst. Everyone in my ACTUAL family was really happy for me. I was told by my manager that despite the massive layoffs that were going on at the time, everyone in my (rather small) team was safe. I felt relieved. One week later he told me that the CEO demanded at least one person from every team had to be fired. I was the new guy, so I got sacked. I felt pretty ashamed of myself. This taught me never to trust a company again. The good thing is that this turned out to be the best thing that has ever happened to me. I became a full-time freelancer and ended up making way more money working way less hours. So yeah... fuck corporations.
What did you start freelancing in?
Yeah, is freelance financial analyst a thing?
this channel is literally a big-fat redpill for me
It's true, but at certain points in your life you just kinda bite the bullet and deal with it. Sometimes it is in your best interests to deal with the BS and gain skills. Just because some things suck, doesn't mean they're not always worthwhile.
I completely agree with him.
@Onion Potato same. All the stuff he says would be even better with bernies social safety nets. Boss or corprate screws you, less worries as your skills and that safety net will give you a middle finger to send right back.
Could not agree more, as someone who's dabbled in the redpill community for relationships and such it really amazes me that the same concepts apply to the corporate world. I'm glad I found this channel very early on in my career. Decided to leave my first job because there was literally nothing for us to do and I felt like I was wasting my time. Joshua's videos help me realize how companies arent really looking out for you and that only you can look at for yourself.
A "permanent" job is only permanent until they no longer need you. It makes more sense to work as a contractor charging 2 or 3 times more, meaning you only need to secure 6 months or less of work in a year to match the equivalent salary.
True but contractors dont get sick pay or holiday pay
@@JamesSmith-cm7sg That's true, which should be factored into the daily rate.
@Scooters Videos
Sure, that's the upside, but you also lose your rights as an employee.
@Scooters Videos
I agree with you and I'm a company director myself, but that wasn't the point I was making.
@@leonbrown59it is factored into until the market becomes crowded. :) then everyone asks for a lower price.
Yeah, man. Those team building and “optional” activities are bullshit. I would MUCH rather be working or leave early.
Im an office manager and specifically avoid to do wierd events like this. You are more of a mercenary than a family member. Keep looking for better offers, if you like the job you have ask them for a counteroffer or go on. Be a good worker but don't be anyone's bitch. It won't pay out.
keecefly Right. Looking toward my future based on age... larger company for: a)Medical/dental benefits and b) Surround self w/ stronger, more innovative programmers to soak up and learn everything I can, and c) Move on in 1-2 years to small entrep company or go solo.
I was once told I was "family" by a former company but once my role ended, so too did the "friendships"
the family thing is bs. i got laid off over skype. and locked access to my company computer. and then people simply forgot me. no one once bothered to even call or email. even my boss who kept trying to be a mentor just ghosted on me. and all the while i was there they kept acting like if you ever looking for more money just ask. but when time came they would make excuses like you need this or that experience. leaving them was a blessing in disguise.
Boomers will call this feeling "entitled" and that you owe the company for giving you a living.
True but you have to have a limit to what you demand from the company. It’s so much easier to hire immigrants or hire someone on a work visas. As an employer myself, non Americans make better employees, and no not because we pay them less, we don’t, but they actually work harder; higher work ethics.
And I'm sure the fact you can send them back to their horrible countries in an instant has nothing to do with it. Employers like you is what's contributing to America's terrible economic situation.
@Latisha Queen Pretty sure I do/did more for this nation than you, including 8 years of service, paid massive amounts of local, state and federal taxes from my businesses, employing many Americans, and countless community service ;)
@@FLP90 so was Benedict Arnold.
@@skyranger1366 our current Government is a better example, completely turning their backs to the American people yet sending our taxes to other countries
I described work as Stockholm Syndrome and everyone looked at me weird. It's nice to hear someone else say it too.
I've been saying this for YEARS
no company will be YOUR FAMILY! nothing about saying that is appealing, it's manipulative. Pam working in the stockroom isn't your family member, she's Pam...from stock, and you're a cashier...
Yup!!
Unfortunately I learned this the hard way. Every company I worked at they always said, "We are in this together" and "We are family" but when they are going through tough times then they will lay you off if they have to.
At the end of the day, you do work for the company, and they will pay you for your work. However, if you see you can be paid better and get more opportunities at another company, then don't feel guilty about leaving your current company, because if they have to let you go, they won't feel guilty.
Preach on brother.
In accounting terms, employees are not members of the family, they are expenses. If companies can get a better deal out of you, they would.
That's why chattel slavery was so effective and lasted so long. The ideal wage is no wage.
@Scooters Videos Minimum wage,Which im assuming is goverment backed,is not good for workers generally.Walmart and other big anti union companies love minimum wage,because that would put small employers out of buisness.Thus reducing competition.
Makes no sense, employees should be seen as assets, considering they are the foundation of a business. No employees no business
"'Liability resources"
I can't stand corporate America. I will never forget my direct manager griping me out for being 5 minutes late from lunch one day.😱 She had major "power trip" issues. So, I took control and started my own business 18 years ago.😁 Another con artist institution is college. My earnings have been consistently inline with a physician over the last 10 years and I've spent very little hours in an university classroom with zero school loans. I found my niche in life at a young age and ran with it and never looked back! Think outside the box and go for it!
Candy Smith... That's great 👍
You are a smart woman.
WhT is it that you do?
What few hours did you spend in university?
I hate forced socializing at work. I remember they wanted me to wear a tutu at work to raise money for this charity. I wasn’t doing it due to the emasculating nature of it. They were trying to always make an example out of me and trying to get me fired. Needless to say I found some violations at the company and made some phone calls. I eventually hit them with the corporate lingo of retaliation. They soon came to see things my way.
WTF 🤬😠😡 I would have told them too F#CK off!!!
Regardless of how I feel about a company and the work environment, I never forget that the bottom line of a business is profit and I know that I am expendable.
If you dont know to forget about it thats the problem.
@@JoshuaFluke1 what do you mean?
@@champsammy13 if its your first job, you dont know your expendable. You cant forget about something you dont know about.
@@JoshuaFluke1 oh, that makes sense. 👍🏾
"It's not personal, it's just business."
This is something that is likely spouted by someone who only got their job because nepotism is alive and well.
I worked in an office once where a lot of the employees just liked to hang out together. We did things socially but most of them were organized by us. E.g. We'd all arrange to meet a local bar and go on to a club. A bunch of us decided to play 5-aside soccer once a week and the CEO even came along several times. He was a genuinely nice guy. It was great fun but nobody felt obliged to attend...it was just like "Hey we're all going to XYZ place tomorrow night if you want to come along!' It was more organic than company organized events. We were all 20's or 30's age group
This is the best. I worked in an environment like this but at a movie theater in my late teens/early 20s. I’m still friends with my ex coworkers
I learned that lesson early in life working in restaurants. so now that Im in corporate america tech support all that sort of BS doesn't faze me no more. its all a joke.. Do not trust your coworkers ...
Yep, it’s all phony smiles and conversation from coworkers in your presence but don’t turn your back.
Force social interaction it is not organic
This phrase hits me hard.....
It's rough but true.
True
The "family" concept is so offensive and unprofessional. I just want to come in, do my 8 hours and leave. I have other shit to do. Don't want to have drinks afterwards. Would be ideal if you just left me alone. One meeting a week is fine. Don't need a daily stand up because I get my stuff done. I'm not a baby. The same people that talk about "family" are the same ones that always need someone else's help. Bottom feeders.
Career goal! apply into a company and copy the good things and then start your own after you know enough. 😂
Careful of nda.
That's a life goal. Job = Just over break. Career = Climbing ladders at businesses, Calling = doing whatever it is you love and making a living.
You can apply the same principal to how to be a good boss too.
@@JoshuaFluke1 very true
If all think like that who will be your employee lol
Never be Loyal to any company.
Being loyal to a company is like acting friendly to an FBI agent or a state trooper.
An abusive family can be worse than a corporation.
I didn't see what horrors a family of abusers could do to a person until after I left the engineering and corporate world. A doctor and I saved an ex girlfriend from alcohol abuse with disulfiram, and she hasn't been drinking for years. Her family has been trying to kill her to take her son ever since. Families aren't always good and can be worse than corporations.
We are really lucky to not know how bad a bad family can be. They don't give paychecks.
My coworkers and I called it "brandwashing."
They only have loyalty if your are difficult to replace.
You've totally opened my eyes. I used to be the company first type of guy. I've been becoming increasingly disenfranchised with the company I'm with
Exactly. “It’s just business” is just a way to sugarcoat “it’s just slavery”. Company family is another blurry curtain to try and cover up that fact. The paradigm is shifting as people recognize this, so that’s good.
Obscure Machines Absolutely. Send a message to these companies.
IN slavery you have master and in business, you choose your master.
Remember one thing, Everyone has someone over there head. even on the CEO of a company.
when you mess up you lose your job and get another one. but if the CEO messes up he loses his company, most of the time everything he owns and hundred and thousands lose there job.
@@EL12111 i doubt CEOs give a rats ass about their employees, they'll do "good" things for their employees if they know that the media is whatching them, to protect their bottom line
corporate jobs at many places is a form of indentured servitude.
I know a sales guy in my last job who always mentioned the company family in his e-mails and then after 5 years or so decided to jump ship to pursue other business interests and yet still mentioned the company family in his leaving e-mail message?
I 100000000% agree with you. I'm actually going through it right now with my current job. And surprisingly, it's a 'counseling' related position. I'm trying to make the switch into the dev life because I just can't take working for corporate businesses anymore. I called out sick (which I rarely do) and my boss literally told me, "well, when i was sick, i was puking into my trash can in my office, but i still got things done."
Like is this really the standard we are supposed to live by and be proud of??? Thanks, but no thanks.
Same here!! And the irony of it to work in counseling/healthcare type of fields who have narcissistic sociopath CEOs that don't support or care for us. It's all about profits to them.
This video hit close to home. I wasted two whole years at a company to learn this the hard way. As much as I wish the corporate family could be a reality, especially in creative fields, the people who run it are usually extremely callous and don't care about the craft as long as it's profitable.
You work for someone else, you will always be jerked around and have no security. Find a line of work where you can work for yourself and if what you do doesn't allow it, find something else that does.
In the 80s I worked for a UK division of a giant US corporation. A senior American executive came over, gathered the whole site together and gave a company family rousing speech...which was met by the Brits with silence. The executive was bewildered. I loved it.
I remember one time my boss at a hospital was talking about how he had a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to meet the CEO and I was thinking to myself "My aunt's a CFO and my Dad's an IT Director. What kind of tool would be proud to meet them?"
its only cool if the CEO of a big employer comes out of the blue to meet you for something like a lunch or something. like a surprise in that you met them somewhere and did something for them and didn't know who they were.
YOU NEVER GIVE ANY COMPANY 100% OF YOUR EFFORT. ITS JUST BUSINESS.
One thing I didn't hear you mention, that the "family" routine is a great way to keep wages down. As you don't want to leave your family do you 😉
Employees, rather unfortunately, can be expendable. What you bring to the table - your value - ultimately matters. When I was laid off in 2015, I was happy because the company wasn’t going anywhere at the time, but at the same time, I was bummed out for losing a house 🏠 (laid off 2 weeks to closing). Ultimately, culture is very important. And you’re right - if you don’t go then you’re not a team player. It’s an interview for a promotion in a sense. Finding the right balance is key and it differs from company to company.
I’ve done the escape room with my current colleagues and I enjoyed it thoroughly. I have to say that I have a great team. It’s not always like that for a lot of people though.
Thanks 🙏🏾 for a great 👍🏾 Video.
@@anthony8382 THAT'S DOPE! Culture is very important. Its a hit or miss for a lot of people. It sounds like you have great camaraderie.
@@anthony8382 Check out the data content on my channel. Cheers
@@anthony8382 That's great, but be careful not to end up like Josh's father
We're a family until a better offer comes along
"We own you .. but we love you ... but WE OWN YOU!" so true! lol
There are definitely plenty of organizations that try to convey a family atmosphere and then go on to have layoffs, political games, backstabbings, and firings.
I just left this type of company, I hated the fakeness!
I was emotionally all in on my first job, I gave them unwavering loyalty and they were all in on my personal life. I didn't make the same mistake in my second job.
This is how I got hurt at my first office job . Now every job is just a job to me & I put myself first
This video gave me a flashback to the time where one of the employees was treated unfairly and I decided to step up and voice my concerns because that's what family would do. Even if the situation is difficult you would still want to find a solution for each other and move on together. That's when I realized very quickly that I was the one with the short stick and it made me feel horrible at the time.
Now I know that people that ditch you when you aren't valuable to them anymore or oppose their views aren't family. Very rarely I still feel that feeling in my gut that something is wrong and I refuse to silence myself in those situations. Our time is way too short on this weird world to chip away your own principles for someone else's comfort.
If you find yourself saying "we" instead of "them" when talking about your hierarchical employer then you know you are in trouble. It means you are ripe for extreme exploitation.
My previous employer made us use the language of “us”, “we”, “our” when talking about the company. It was so culty. They made a big deal of being “family” but later had a mass layoff
Anytime I hear my manager say "we are a family," I always roll my eyes.
Dude, you're like my spirit animal. You definitely inspired me to take control more of my life and not just conform to the usual 9-5 work (which I never liked in the first place). Once I get enough experience from my current job, I'll find another remote work which is more chill and not draining.
Josh is right on point with the message he is sharing. I have over 20 years of experience in the corporate world as I started out at a young age. I've been through three buyouts, countless reorgs and transformations. I've been relocated and seen team members uproot their family, sell their houses, and moved across the country to only have to do it again only a year later or take severance. Basically, change that affects my job every two years. What has kept me successful has been staying mobile, versatile, adaptable, and steadily growing my skillset and reputation. People get comfortable and start feeling safe which leads to dependence and they ignore the signs of what is coming. Don't drink the kool aid, as sometimes the truth hurts but it is what we need.
They want you to feel like it's family because you do things for family for free.
I go by the mindset of loyalty to an individual, not a group. Give your loyalty to a person that treats you properly, not the company that brought you together.
I was told many times: "You are part of our family" until one day same guy invited me for 5 min chat, and he told me that my PC is blocked and I have 1 hour to get away. Shocking outcome after 1.5 years of hard working in family
exactly what happened to me. my bosses kept the rat race like we are always crazy busy. and one day sends me an invite on outlook for a 5min meeting next morning without a single word. then next morning surprise surprise layoff.
Same exact thing happened to me
The timing couldn’t be any better man.... I’m going through office bullshit that’s exposing that fake “office friendship”... FOH I’m fed up and taking the plunge into web dev; learn as much as possible then either freelance or do my best to work remote. Thanks for the video Josh, you reminded me what I’ve known all along but forgot bc of complacency.
Already knew all this stuff, still nice to hear it again. So right in every word.
"I'll recommend myself and just be you." LOL
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Never stay at the same company for more than 2 to 3 years.
@@codycast Some companies though aren't as forgiving as that. But good for you man.
@@codycast When did you start the job you were at for 12 years?
I think in general people have a wrong definition of success in life. They say you are successful because you have lots of money, or you are the CEO; but I think you are successful when you become an excelent human being. Thats the greatest achievement.
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@Ironclaw XII there is no shame in any job. but there is status differences. not like the person in retail is not a person. but people like the bling that goes with corporate work.
Becoming an excellent human being doesn’t pay the bills.
@@dantapp5925 having a pragmatic mindset does ..just like hustling up everyday to your part time jobs just to have that extra money
"It's just business" is the excuse they use to justify the means. There's a morale way to treat employees but do corporations care? NO. The larger the company the worse they are! All they care about are stock prices and making the board of directors happy THAT ALL! I will say I've gotten burnt by fake friend coworkers but in my many years I did walk away with two solid gold friends. So it's not impossible just don't be naive. BTW Josh audio is sounding a lot better!
The temp worker, we are all "temporary" just some last longer than others.
I know this video is old, but Josh, I want to thank you for saying it lite it is. I'm currently working on a stressing shitty place. It's an office but it feels like it's draining my life and youth. Your videos show the nasty side of all companies and their bullshit.
I don't want to feel owned by some assholes with money my whole life. I'm doing changes to break my chains.
I would say it’s more like a team. You know like a professional sports team. Every week there is a chance you get cut.
I absolutely love those type of videos when you talk about BEHAVIORAL issues beyond the field of dev itself.
I swear, in school it's literally the same way, with class mates. They are basically your coworkers, and sometimes they can become your friends, but most of the time, they don't. I had only one summer job, but I feel like I've been working for my entire life
Everybody gangsta until the employees call Fair Work (Australian here)
In real world people its never just business. If people were hired for their skills they would be no need to interview so often. What they are looking most of time is people fitting to their culture.
Its business when they layoff you but when they hire its about person. This is what irks me most. Its absolutely annoying that companies first expect you to be teamplayer, good guy and think company. When you are suddenly laid off then its just business.. Nothing personal, unlike when you were hired and when you were working.
I once went to this company. Interviews went fine. I worked my ass off six months. I also though it didnt go really well but there were other problems in company and nobody really came to give me indication they had problems with me.. One day came in and my superior wanted to have chat on me. I was on trial period(dont live in US) and he basically fired me on that spot. And escorted me out right away. No forewarming, no input before that and just like that I was out suddenly.
Thats was fucking annoying. When you work with people that long you would expect somebody would say something if there is a problem. I was not actually really shocked I got fired itself. But I certainly didn't like the way they handled it. Its really tells way you are seen.
You were a resource. They did not need to care what I felt. They did not need even think how to handle me and how I would take it. Just get him(me) out ASAP. I felt like piece of meat.
If its just business then just hire people with skills. If its not then treat them well when you let go too. But many companies hire persons and layoff workers. Your personality ends when you're fired, you're not person anymore. You were resource and you should know it.
Don't be so hard on employers. They have a really hard time trying to deal with the knowledge that they are exploiting their staff but they are unable to stop because they come first. It's tough.
had very similar experience. "Hi Alex, do you have 5 mins? Want to chat with you" Then.. "Ok. Company is restructuring. Today is your last day. You have 1 hour to leave office, your PC is already blocked, you dont have access anymore. Same guy told me many times how I am good fit for their culture and I am part of their family. Bullshit. Give things their proper names.
ok you love corporate we get it
Josh. You are very insightful. Wish more people understood how companies function and how business works.
Team building is crap and never worked on me.
Thank you for all these videos on corporate bullshit. I’m graduating at the end of the year and my head was in the sand, thinking that all this shit is not only normal but to be tolerated. So thanks for preparing me about the industry more than anyone or anything at uni ever has. Keep it up.
Cold hard facts: you can easily be replaced and forgotten in a job. But your family cannot be replaced
What grinds my director/manager's gears is when I say I (honestly) have no desire to climb the ladder. They can't manipulate me with that crap. If I want more money, I'll build up my skills and find another job. Then again, I'm not in developing
well nothing wrong with wanting the regular raises as per your role. i know many secretaries and admin who get 6 week paid vacations and make like $80k+ annual.
I hate my job and everything it was said on this vid happens on the company I work with. I am just waiting until my graduation and then I’ll leave
Yes companies are like cults.
Hey Josh, love the real talk videos! Lately, it feels like you're just ranting. I followed you for the genuine stuff that made a real impact on me. Supported you on Patreon too! Can we get back to that authentic content? It just feels more personal, you know?
I quite enjoy talking with my coworkers about problems and solutions related to the job. But when they get mad at me because I don't tell them what is going on in my private life, then I know we are usually not on the same page about the definition of being a coworker.
i realized this the moment i started talking to my boss about taking a day off to make up for the overtime i was doing. Our company doesn't do overtime so instead they are supposed to give you paid leave.
It's been a year and i still haven't gotten any paid leave, and i'm expected to work even more overtime.
Currently looking for a way out.
The fact that you're trending is just a confirmation that there are a tons of devs sharing your experiences. Fuck the haters. You do you.
Don't ever put yourself in a work situation where you cannot walk out in 30 seconds flat when you feel the heat coming around the corner
A prison constructed in chrome and glass is still a prison. Don't be deceived.
The company family: if they organize social events, trips, artistic, sports activities and send you for education, conferences and ask your opinion at meetings and the manager eats with the team.If all this does not exists they lie, do not be emotionally attached and do not care so much. This is how i would like my company to work no money in,tools, money out.
In my early 20s I worked for a small family owned commercial printing company. Me and the boss's daughter hit it off and one year I got her extremely drunk at the Christmas work do. I wasn't ever promoted or given a pay rise ever again while I worked there. 🤣
Never mix work with pleasure. Even if it not directly related
Hey, great video again. I agree with everything that was said here. My question for you (maybe a video idea) is this: How do you go about creating a comfortable culture for all types of employees (if you are a CEO or owner of a company)? I know there are clear problems you’ve discussed with the corporate environment, but how would I as a co-founder, create a better environment for my employees than corporate is creating? Do I make time to learn about each employee? Have 1-on-1 sessions to get to know their passions and desires with no BS? Thanks man.
Lol I literally got fired for asking for a raise yesterday. Thanks Fam.
You can't be fired from a family.
"company family" is a forced superficial substitute (like Splenda but worse) for proper leadership which takes time. If they are taking short cuts trying to force it they will drop you like a hot potato!
True leadership comes from upper management taking ownership for problems that occur from bottom level and up team members. If YOU are IN CHARGE someone there is something YOU could have done better to prevent this mistake. This keeps people humble, focused on solutions, and learning from mistakes. Guess what? This type of culture also builds trust and respect from those working for and with you. Taking ownership of problems is contagious once it starts. These principles ring true for parenting, teachers, corporations, essentially any human relationship.
I spent way more time writing this comment than I intended to. Have a great day guys.
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Exactly. My ex-fiancee gave me so much cringe cause she would go on about all these team building activities at work, where they even went away overnight to "bond"....and she treated it like a religion. Ugh
This guy speaks the truth. Thanks for helping all of us!
After being let go from a few jobs, and feeling kinda betrayed or like I was being dumped by someone I cared about, I finally figured out that we are only employees; When times get tough there are VERY FEW companies who will keep you on. And I understand that many can't - they don't have the funds; But just don't start with all the 'family' nonsense;
In my last job I worked with a guy who had been kept employed during the last recession and he kept telling me that the boss is a great guy and won't drop you even if there is a recession; I kinda just nodded and didn't believe it. Sure enough COVID struck, and I was let go almost immediately. The other guy was kept on because he was there 10 years, and I'd only been there 6months - I totally understand, but I'm glad I didn't buy into the false narrative that my job was 'safe'
he is right ..... go to the job get your skills up(important) ..
as long you're getting paid you are a worker to them .. I don't think you should create a relationship, in the end, its Thanos snap baby
Favorite line “it just ends up being awkward... the entire time” 😂😂😂
That’s the truth, keep pumping out great informative content.
I remember whenever I had an individual request to HR, which was doable to execute, they were always defending, starting their argument like:
"Look, we understand your request, but we cannot give it to you. We are a company, you need to understand that we cannot give every single coworker what they want to have"
Well, most of us coworkers are not asking for a ferrari... Some were asking for an office where the air con was defect. Or other things.
Also, I noticed from the beginning, HR being the most fake people... so sad. If you start to communicate more openly, you see them STRUGGLING and still trying to be political
Bro this is so spot on. Sooo spot on. That's why self employed for 5 years now! Everyone watching I hope you achieve your freedom. If you have not yet, do it now! Get out of that brainwashing! You can do it. I started with no place to live, living out of my old drafty 1990 Chevrolet pickup truck. You can do it.