"You think it is a bad idea. But you are his partner, so how can you help him? Support his idea, make it work!" No... as a partner, you tell your partner when he has a bad idea, why it is bad, and present a better idea while you are at it.
Yes all donations made by jw ,,are calculated what they used it for ,,and you will see it ,,unlike other religions,,and the governing body dose not leave flyboyant life ,,like other religious that go on private jets and expensive life ,, find out yourself..
@@RogerDeelaw our G.B ARE MORE TRANSPARENT THAN ANYONE OF YOU ,, accounts are mead clear in all the congregations in the world ,,dont talk what you don't know with know out evidence,,that is blaspheming..
@@goodnessnwamah1353 Please Wake up Mr Goodness, Oh yes the congregation accounts are read out as Lloyd says like gas and electric costs. But the actually organization NEVER says what they have spent your donations on with any accounts, They may be building this Ramapo propaganda suite but what other accounts have you ever seen shown to the Rank and File. Even when they sold all the properties in Brooklyn for 100s of millions , none of that was mentioned as to the money they took. Just that the new headquarters was costing 13 million dollars. And do they ever let anyone know all the money raked in by the sale of kingdom halls thats happening on a mass scale? Kingdom Halls that have been built for free by the rank and file and upkept by the congregation at THEIR expense. One big money making organization that appears accountable to no one, especially those in it.
Thank you for doing these. I woke up last year, right before the 2020 convention and could not stomach to watch them in any form. This year I can handle listening to you showing them and I appreciate all your work. My spouse is still in so it helps to keep up with what they are thinking.
Hi Rosie. Well done for waking up. I am sorry to hear your spouse is still in - that must make things rather difficult and be frustrating for you. I hope you continue in your awakening and not be drawn back in to the cult. Hopefully your partner will join you soon ! x
I have watched Lloyd for along time now and have too say loyd you just get better and better thank you for your hard work many people have wakened due too you
Great job Lloyd! Love experiencing the convention thru your commentary! You’re words are so true, it is very upsetting I never had kids, but now I can move on and enjoy my life, and my new “worldly” friends don’t try to convince me that adoption is a waste of time.
I took blood, I followed my intuition and it saved my life. There was a jw couple that stood by my bedside and of course they told the elders that I took blood🙄I was put on reproof when I got discharged but at this point I really didn't care. I felt I made the right decision. I was treated like a disfellowshipped at the hall
Oh my goood and you still qre alive? This was literally our elders in 2010 "blood transfusion is still not based on enough science so the parients would die not long after this Which is ...not true :) It's good thst you still live :)
I'm glad you had the courage to accept a blood transfusion. It's appalling how many people have died for this org. The members are highly judgmental. I was condemned for an "unscriptural " divorce.
I can not tell you just how happy I am to hear this. 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼 Congratulations Author for following your intuition 🤝🏼🤝🏼🤝🏼🤝🏼🤝🏼🤝🏼🤝🏼 rather then the regulations { based on an inaccurate form of scriptural interpretation, } of the Watchtower. Your intuition ( along with scientific modern medical research, ) *DID SAVE YOUR LIFE.* Good for you! That JW couple who stood by your bedside, were they part of *Watchtower's Hospital Liaison Team?*
I’m glad you took the blood and how fucked up must you be to tell on a person for wanting to save their own life????? What a terrible organization!!!!!!!
The very first sentence of the first clip, “Sadly, some considered women as being inferior to men”… and I spit out my coffee in laughter. And this is why I could never set foot in a convention again.
Lloyd I am so grateful for your patience in watching these conventions all the way through. That is immense work Lloyd. The cringe is out of this world. I would need some kind of counselling after watching these lol. I am helped by your tireless work. Thank you
When I was a kid my JW cousins would always explain that while they did not get presents on birthdays or Christmas, they got presents at other times and they would make sure their parents sent some to me as well. I'm still waiting for those presents.
Hey Lloyd... Your convention rebuttals are a highlight of my year. Thanks for your time, work and attention to detail in every installment. I grew up attending these events, bible and publications in hand. Mind warping stuff. Thank you. Be well and stay safe.
Lloyd, you are indeed rescuing lives that otherwise could have been ruined by Watchtower. Myself and millions of others that have woken up will unceasingly thank you for your very great effort!!
It's so unsettling to think back to my mindset when I was devout. I submitted my letter of disassociation today, I'm anxious but I feel free. I'm happy l did research, I've been in for 4 years. Now it's time for me to let the ones around me that I am now spiritual but not affiliated... I'm anxious honestly...
Well done & congratulations in the next step of your journey towards total freedom 👋👋. I faded 11 years go but have only been woke for 3, I have yet to take your brave step. Wish you well xx
And remember, you owe no one an explanation or any personal information about your life that you don't want to share. It doesn't make you any less sincere. It's just a step towards taking back control of your life as an adult who need only share what you want, and throwing off the shackles of having the GB micromanaging your life. If this makes you anxious,, come back another time if you want to offer an explanation. Or go with your plan and explain away. The point is, you have no one to answer to except for yourself. And that's the best way to live. Do you and enjoy the journey. Good luck and sounds like you are doing just fine! ☺️👍🏽
Thank you so much l believe this is so important for me to remember. Everyone around me will just have to adjust to my changes, l don't need to be accomodative anymore😭😭😭l am allowed to change 🌸l feel free now, l no longer feel guilty doing what makes me genuinely happy 😭
From what I’ve heard Lloyd say in interviews is that people that are at Bethel that are PIMO which is physically in mentally out send him the leaked material.💁🏻♀️
Am I alone In sensing that the ruling theme of this assembly was Defence? The WT seems to be on the back foot,trying to stem the defections. I detect an air of desperation in so many of their presentations The familiar thread of encouragement and expansion of past Assemblies has been replaced by exhortations to “resist” “ shy away from “ “ don’t listen to “ Hmm
And in the timeline it makes sense too. Don't the conventions start to be prepared 5 years before they happen? It meets with the ARC, or close to it, if you you go back 5 years.
@@guigagude Yes, the Society begins preparing the summer assemblies roughly five years in advance. As I've mentioned before, David Splane, consequently, had at least that long to prepare his discourse for the Saturday afternoon session; and yet, to hear his delivery, there are sections where it sounds as though he was still trying to put it together right on the platform! I mention that specific discourse because there are lines in which he effectively throws both Geoffrey Jackson and Steven Lett under the proverbial bus, Jackson in the section on sworn testimony and Lett in the section on guilt in the sight of men and "innocence" in the sight of God. The swipe at Lett, for instance, is in light of Lett's remarks at Morning Worship (as presented on the Society's website) to the effect that to state that the Society protects pædophiles is "ridiculous"; in claiming that an individual's guilt is to be determined, not by a jury of his peers, but by the Lord, Splane, however, is admitting that, yes, the Society does protect pædophiles, and that at the expense of their victims, and declaring that Jehovah's witnesses, particularly the victims, should have absolutely no qualms whatsoever about that.
My question would be for Ken, how does he know Hannah was baren? Maybe it was the guy. Oh, but wait, in the Bible the baren one is always the woman. 💯Scientific!
Hanna was wife number 2 and the other wife had kids. To me it's just like other couples I know that tried for years before finally having a child. Sometimes these things just happen. No reason whatsoever to need divine intervention as part of the story.
Thanks as always Lloyd for all the hard work and research and preparation you put into this rebuttal. As a first year fully awoken ex JW who isn’t in a prison of indoctrination, you can clearly see the level of desperation and pressure has been turned up year after year as this cult is being exposed and continues to spin the narrative to keep people deluded and locked in and forcing ones who are studying to sadly give JW’s a chance at bat only to virtually strike out time after time when it comes to their lies and false predictions and to cover up the huge monster they have hid behind that curtain of deceit. It’s so easy to see now, yet how sad it is that some of us have wasted precious time and years from our lives being heavily controlled by this false high pressure cult. Thanks again for the clear picture of sanity you bring us all.
I can't believe how these speakers keep describing who they are as a cult by trying to convince everyone that it is _other_ groups and religions who are that way but not them.
I'm respecting Lloyd more and more, the amount of self restriction you have is just amazing. if I was doing the rebuttal, I'd probably have slapped the table already, or burried my face in my hands from the level of word bending I'm hearing.
14:50.... and not everybody should. 1:15:10 seeing Geoffrey Jackson i am always back in the Australian Royal Commission hearing. His lies will never leave my memory.
@@maryannlockwood7806 How’s your summer going ? Good I hope. Lots of joy here in CT (a few health hurdles to fix) Its so healing to see familiar names in the virtual exjw community, I’ve been faded since 1992 but just woke up Sept 2019 so I’m still insatiable. I just received a book by Luna Lindsey Corbden (discovered her on John Dehlin’s Mormon Stories podcast) Luna has compiled information from hundreds of sources including Steven Hassan on combating mind control. It’s titled “Recovering Agency”. Although she’s ex-Mormon the info isn’t limited or tailored to a specific group. 🌏meow
@@catmeow333 It’s going very well thank you. I sure hope that you’re doing OK & that whatever you’re doing you make a speedy recovery from. Went to a concert for the first time in ages last night to see Daryl Hall & John Oates with one of my friends. Lots of fun. I’ll have to look into that book since I’m always on the lookout for new reading material.🙋🏻♀️📚
Lmao and that would be for products that, if you did find unsatisfactory, you could just return or give it away, or straight up throw it out. We're encouraged to have that sort of 'look at things from all sides' when it comes to buying a toaster or something- but when it comes to following a religion that will in its essence have complete and utter control over every aspect of your life and could even get you killed- naaaah those 1 star reviews are from a bunch of biased dummies anyways 🤣
So, the gist of the weekend so far has been: "sacrificing your kids is expected and to be exalted" and "slaving away for our real estate portfolio is maximizing your potential to the fullest." Add in the talk about not trusting the legal system and it becomes obvious how much of this is damage control. I only hope that's all it is; and not an attempt to prime JWs for an "exit strategy."
When the Asian gentleman said in narration "trust in Jehovah and do what is right." and he attempted to sneak by militarized police the SWAT team, Rogue One's Chirrut Imwe chanting "I'm one with the Force and the Force is with me" while walking through stormtrooper crossfire came to mind. I wouldn't be surprised if Rogue One somehow inspired that scene.
All of their dramatizations are depressing to watch they just give off a very depressing spirit unless of course you’re at one of their gatherings where they’re able to be free and happy and to celebrate
Bro I'm only 5 minutes in and i already have so many questions Patrik: "Sadly some people see women inferior to men" Me: so when can we give public talks then? Not 5 minute bible study presentations, 30 minute talks or better yet long ass talks at conventions, assembly's or even the memorial talk. If women arnt inferior to men you'll let women become Co's then? This must mean that women r allowed to be the Head of their nuclear household then... Right? Oh right, woman can do none of those things, hmmm... I wonder y 🙄
If this is the actual Truth and Jehovah God is real and this is His chosen people, then Jehovah is terrible at proving the Truth is the truth! These arguments are easily debunked with critical thinking and reasoning. God is not that smart apparently...
“I didn’t need to learn about JW’s from their enemies.”- lol that’s because you know first hand how faulty they are, but you just can’t bring yourself to accept it!
I’d imagine when buying the phone he was looking at that message on, he did FAR more research from every possible source before committing to it than the religion he is throwing his entire life into. Far more research is probably done on a phone that will last only a few years before trading it in for a newer model, if not every year. But a life long commitment? Better not investigate it thoroughly! Utter stupidity.
Can you imagine what those ‘brothers and sisters’ were feeling when setting up that Christmas tree in the middle of ‘Jehovah’s movie studio’. I bet they enjoyed it secretly or were sick to the stomach what a Pegan thing like that was doing there… What’s next? A ‘sister’ playing a prostitute? I guess for the sake of propaganda anything goes. 15 years ago I got out of this organization, and I hardly recognize it anymore. With every year that passes I see that this was the best decision that I ever made in my life. Letting go of all religious ideas set my mind free to make up my own mind and I never felt so good ❤️
Geez.. how naïve us Ex’s were to buy into JW doctrines! When I was in it up to my eyeballs, it made so much sense 😳😬 Being out of it for 25 years, it’s now laughable. Really LAUGHABLE 🤪
It's interesting that you would mention a sister playing a harlot. The Society has presented at least two dramas regarding the account of Rahab at summer assemblies over the years, to wit, at the 1973 international assembly ("'Shout! For Jehovah Has Given You the City'") and at a district assembly during the '80's ("Marked for Survival").
So if I were a child and listening to that dramatization about the girl being taken away from her family.. preaching about jevovah would be the last thing I would do. I would be trying to get back to my parents.
How many times will they tell the exact same story of a wife bringing an unbelieving husband into the cult? It’s the SAME story every time, just different people. “I was a piece of shit.... anyways, my wife started studying the Bible with Jehovah’s Witnesses.” 🤦♂️
"Little Jimmy." "Yes Mum?" "Now tell me the truth, did you Lie about what happened today?" "No Mummy its New Light! Ive been a very good boy!" ..........Oh Guad! Any parent could see through that line of CRAP
POV: The Governing Body is fresh out of Anti-apostate material. Lloyd: You could not live with your own failure. And what did that bring you? Back to me.
Most people read 'reviews' when buying a product nowadays, this is no different, what's could be wrong with seeing what former consumers have to say?? They get direct communication they say from Jehovah God yet aren't inspired??? ! Or could it be a sneaky way to cover some humongous clangers when suits?? To use people's emotions at their weakest is despicable, almost emotionally coaxing people to believe the resurrection is a JW thing not a Christian one so come to us as we're the only means to that resurrection!
Me and my brother used to write scribble books,with no words in them at some assemblies,just sitting and scribble, scribble,very similar to their books of many colours.📚 Just ideas in their heads trying to work the whole mess out! Scribble, scribble, scribble...📝
The apostate talk was so asinine. The contradiction of, don’t read anything negative about the organization but don’t just believe rumors, check it out. I mean, are families looking At each other like, well which one is it???? No it’s check out anything except anything negative about the witnesses. I just can not see how my mom, of all people isn’t frustrated at this. Maybe she is, but too afraid to admit it to herself. Idk. 😒
I think it is the latter. I was one of those that thought, "I sacrificed this much, so it better be true." Also kept my mouth shut about my crisis of faith for the last 4 years.
I believe that in the Christmas story a line from Jade and Nita dramatisation was used: “I knew how mom felt about Christmas, but I also knew how Jehovah felt about it.” Even the actresses are similar looking. Regarding imprisonment dramatisation, I reckon it’s in Russia, not USA. At 59:09 the guard has Russian coat of arms on his hat, and also the scarf that the woman wears is kinda Eastern Europe style.
36:50 or so: GB says "she was barren! A bitter reproach from Jehovah in this culture" or something similar. Double bind/catch-22: women were/are also judged/blamed if they do get pregnant, but in the 'wrong order', ie, before marriage. So don't be childless, but certainly don't get pregnant accidentally. Why is her worth based on pregnancy at all. (Rhetorical question).
Where would they be without dramatisations? There is no substance to this religion at all these days. I couldn’t imagine sitting in an assembly audience watching this and keeping a straight face
When that young man in the dramtisation asked himself, 'Why would I want to learn about Jehovah's Witnesses from their enemies?', the question he should have asked himself was, 'Why do Jehovah's Witnesses have enemies?'
2:18:16 @Patrick LaFranca Despite my 10% smaller cranial capacity, at least I know that the term “Complementary Colors” is a location reference to opposite positions on the color wheel. Red vs Green, Purple vs Yellow, Blue vs Orange and so on. 🔶 Consider this New Light and revise your remark to “you sisters are aware of Harmonious color combinations” However, if you’re using complementary as a completion of something, you’ll need to rework this line brother.
@@jessiehermit9503 Samuel Herd of the gb gave a famous talk and the arrogant, pompous ass stated, “You know scientists say the cranial capacity of a woman is 10% smaller than that of a man. So now this shows that she’s just not equipped for the role of headship.”
I spent seven years there without being baptized. The pressure was really intense to be baptized. When I balked, I was treated as if I was disfellowshipped. JW. Took a couple years to unravel the head trip they did on me.
1:41:30 "Has been possible only with superhuman assistance" - this has never made sense to me and always infuriated me. People had literally sent other people to the outer space! Provided electricity everywhere, jet planes, antibiotics and so on and so forth. All of this would look like literal magic to a medieval man, and all of this has been done without the "superhuman assistance". And compared to that - to build a small religious cult is something more impressive, proving the "superhuman assistance"? Absolute horseshit!
I was actually surprised when they came in to my room before I had my premature baby and all the things that we had been told were included in the no blood stance that they told me I needed to accept. I did not say anything but the look on my face must have said it all because I was met with “you cannot tie the doctors hands” that bothered me in the moment but soon I was back to trying to get through another hour trying to keep my baby in and give her more time and I put that comment in the back of my head but three years later they would stand by my dads bedside and tell him he could accept bone marrow but not platelets and the need for the latter actually caused his death very quickly because his blood could not clot and it just blows my mind how over the years they have changed and tweaked the rules on no blood just a little bit here and there but nobody seems to question it and tbh until you are the one in that hospital bed , as a member of the organization, or your family member is in that hospital bed you do not actually know from day to day the actual rules they are holding to at any given point. It is crazy that we just went along with the no blood regulation as gospel but we actually did not know what we were or weren’t allowed to accept like I said at any given time. I’m sure at this point even more has changed that most don’t even realize. I mean my dads cousin never got baptized as he was born with hemophilia and the medicine he needed to keep him alive was against the rules I’m not even sure if my great uncle was baptized because either my aunt or uncle had to have not been considering one of them had to sign off on that while he was small. He actually passed away shortly before my dad being the oldest male to live with the illness, he was well into his thirties. Idk if he still holds that spot but he was pretty well known by a handful of well known physicians in those final few years because prior to an accident where they could not stop the bleeding, which is the main piece to the illness, he was fairly healthy and only a bit developmentally delayed due to a brain bleed caused during birth I believe. I just don’t understand how anyone can buy this crap anymore it is so blatantly wishy washy and Cherry picked to cater to what the gb decides to go with whenever they want to change something
With joy in my heart I DONATE BLOOD whenever I can!! It was one of the first things I did after “waking up” I’m currently donating PLASMA (can do that more often than donating blood) It’s my personal F YOU to the WBTS while doing my part to give back to my community. Blood is life & life is precious & if I can help someone live longer, then I am definitely for it! Btw…I love that U2 “attended” the convention. 😅😂🤣💀
Honestly i felt so heard and seen when you said you realize not everyone wants children. People very often just take that for granted and it's nice to be acknowledged :) (plus, being able to conceive "past the age" is my literal nightmare xD i got sterilized for a reason, i don't need sky daddy to meddle with that!)
I don't have any maternal inclinations either, but that doesn't keep me from empathizing with the pain of women who do want children and can't have them.
Did anybody notice that - in the dramatization of the young 'sister' being locked up - the name tags look exactly like the name tags we all used to (...had to...) wear when attending the big conventions? Does make sense.. in a way you are locked up in this group. Not even 'in a way'. You just are, period.
Just in for the intro and I already feel mad about it! I recently (9weeks) lost my little brother to suicide and my mom and her husband who are still in, COMPLETELY IGNORED me and my lil sis in their speech at the funeral. Ofcourse, because WE NO LONGER BELIEVE ! They said that they can’t wait for the NEW WORLD to be here sk they can finally see their son again🙄 like, you know with how it’s made to believe you WILL LOSE 2 daughters right? And our lil brother would find it weird that we’re not there!? Those STUPID “arguments” will be thrown at me and my lil sis, i am not in contact since 2 weeks now.. but HOW I’D LOOVEEEE.L TO TELL THIS STORY. Im soooo bothered and mad at these people, traumatized, how in the F do they still believe this crap!!???😢😡 I know for sure my mom will find “ so much EXTRA support” LIES, FALSE HOPE, from this dramatization 🙄 just to be dumbed down and not see what she still has left on this Earth, 3 daughters, 5 grandkids but hey, we’re all eating from SATANS TABLE SO WE’RE already DEAD right? Sorry for the ranting Lloyd, as always, thank you so much for the time and effort you put in. 💯 I have so much love for you for helping me wake up, i wish i could keep my calm and make my mom see that this “religion/cult” holding them captive … Keep up this great work, mayb i will get to tell my story someday, untill then: ❤️ thank you and stay safe for you and your family and ALL THE PEOPLE READING THIS/ struggling with similar stuff.. hang in there! Lovee from the Netherlands
Why is there never an experience from someone who says they had the best life ever prior to joining the JWs, but joined because it made so much sense logically? They always have been having a terrible life in some way, and needed an escape.
A current PIMO I know, she is black with natural black hair and her black dad is an elder and told her he will get it straight for her because the “brothers don’t like curly”
i wonder if dubs think these dramatizations are real. ffs, this is stupid stuff. i’m ashamed i ever believed it. i’m forever grateful to Lloyd for helping me wake up before subjecting myself to this melodramatic tripe. f’A.
As a never JW how would it stand if a member of staff spoke to a patient (perhaps during personal care) and said "we could do this without anyone else knowing" It's not usual in the hospital's I have worked in but it can be done overnight in exceptional circumstances where there are no visitors allowed
So that was filmed at the Canadian branch. I knew a load of people in that video. The coffee cart guy or whatever was a good friend of mine. Crazy to see that he is still at bethel all these years later. Ole JC hahaha
1:50:08 omg, exactly I'm from the Caribbean, and some afro-Caribbean hairstyles are banned. Locs, bantu knots, big afros, men can't wear cornrows and braids. My dad actually cut his long curly mane to go in that cult. I feel there is some sort of racism ingrained in those rules, because those hairstyles are litteraly made for curly and coily hair but we can't wear them.
It seems that they are more interested in discrediting others and is circling the wagons than actually preaching any 'good news' at all! This entire conference was touted as being faith-building and all that, but it's just been rant after rant about Apostates and Satan's System. This is so far from what is described even in their own Bible that it bears absolutely no resemblance to anything written in that Bible.
The thing is even with the dramatization @ 1:29:00 (ish lol) the guys friend heard him talking about his love of JWs so he did his own research (from outside the religion) & found out horrible things, tried to help his friend realise this is not a great or honest organisation & he just went nope & didn't even bother looking at what the friend had to say (what he accused his friends of doing in the first place) * edit * Also 2:18:00 talking about friends bad track records & not considering that when it comes to CSA?! or other abuses people in the congregation have commited? Also also why has nobody made memes about William Turner?! I think of Pirates of the Caribbean everytime his name is mentioned
@Lloydevans, i caught the Easter egg in the last video with you sweeping the patio, but in this video i luv the magic trick you did at 2:36.54 to 2:36.56, with the book reappearing back into the glass case shelve behind you, now if i didn't know any better i would say that you were able to do that with the help of a higher power, but i think some video editing was the reason for that, hahaha... awesome video man :)
I think I know why there is very little dialog in the demonstrations this time. For myself, I like to put together a puzzle or do some work as I'm listening to a video, depending on what I'm watching, treating it like a podcast. I think the GB are trying to prevent followers from treating the convention like a podcast, they have to watch to get the full story.
1:40:49-Chapter and verse, please. Citation needed, not examples. The New Independent Fundamentalist Baptists aren't afraid to be unpopular, either; should we follow them? 2:09:55-How can they seriously say the world is "going from bad to worse"? Sure, we have problems, and that's always been the case and always will be. However, this is the most peaceful time in history, less people are dying from disease due to modern medicine, less people are dying from starvation due to modern agriculture, less people are dying from lack of clean water, etc. 2:13:35-What a bunch of narcissists. Hey! You're not that important! Let me guess: the Supreme Court wouldn't even hear it. I don't like the Catholics, but the SC probably threw it out because priests don't call the Vatican to report the crimes. Obviously, that's not a good system, but at least there aren't messages flying around about it. 2:30:30-Thanks for just destroying your own organization. "The one who cannot lie," Are we talking about the same god that said he deceives prophets?
"You think it is a bad idea. But you are his partner, so how can you help him? Support his idea, make it work!"
No... as a partner, you tell your partner when he has a bad idea, why it is bad, and present a better idea while you are at it.
Yes!!!! Thank you!!! 👏👏
2000s JW's: Preach!
2010s JW's: Preach and Build!
2020s JW's: Build and Donate!
2030s JW'S: Donate!
Yes all donations made by jw ,,are calculated what they used it for ,,and you will see it ,,unlike other religions,,and the governing body dose not leave flyboyant life ,,like other religious that go on private jets and expensive life ,, find out yourself..
How would anyone know, if the Governing Body uses private jets or not? They are not exactly tranparent with their finances...
@@RogerDeelaw our G.B ARE MORE TRANSPARENT THAN ANYONE OF YOU ,, accounts are mead clear in all the congregations in the world ,,dont talk what you don't know with know out evidence,,that is blaspheming..
@@goodnessnwamah1353 Please Wake up Mr Goodness,
Oh yes the congregation accounts are read out as Lloyd says like gas and electric costs.
But the actually organization NEVER says what they have spent your donations on with any accounts,
They may be building this Ramapo propaganda suite but what other accounts have you ever seen shown to the Rank and File.
Even when they sold all the properties in Brooklyn for 100s of millions , none of that was mentioned as to the money they took. Just that the new headquarters was costing 13 million dollars.
And do they ever let anyone know all the money raked in by the sale of kingdom halls thats happening on a mass scale?
Kingdom Halls that have been built for free by the rank and file and upkept by the congregation at THEIR expense.
One big money making organization that appears accountable to no one, especially those in it.
2040 "since there aren't enough donations we need ads"
I’m addicted to Lloyd’s rebuttals. Love it❤️
So am I, and I have no connection at all to the JW's!
How do i join sister?
Awesome information Lloyd!!! You are truly making a difference. I'm forever grateful for your work. You have a beautiful and supportive wife/ family.
Thank you for doing these. I woke up last year, right before the 2020 convention and could not stomach to watch them in any form. This year I can handle listening to you showing them and I appreciate all your work. My spouse is still in so it helps to keep up with what they are thinking.
Hi Rosie. Well done for waking up. I am sorry to hear your spouse is still in - that must make things rather difficult and be frustrating for you. I hope you continue in your awakening and not be drawn back in to the cult. Hopefully your partner will join you soon ! x
I have watched Lloyd for along time now and have too say loyd you just get better and better thank you for your hard work many people have wakened due too you
Great job Lloyd! Love experiencing the convention thru your commentary! You’re words are so true, it is very upsetting I never had kids, but now I can move on and enjoy my life, and my new “worldly” friends don’t try to convince me that adoption is a waste of time.
I took blood, I followed my intuition and it saved my life. There was a jw couple that stood by my bedside and of course they told the elders that I took blood🙄I was put on reproof when I got discharged but at this point I really didn't care. I felt I made the right decision. I was treated like a disfellowshipped at the hall
Oh my goood and you still qre alive?
This was literally our elders in 2010 "blood transfusion is still not based on enough science so the parients would die not long after this
Which is ...not true :)
It's good thst you still live :)
Glad you are alive. It really shows the kind of love that exists in this religion.
I'm glad you had the courage to accept a blood transfusion. It's appalling how many people have died for this org.
The members are highly judgmental. I was condemned for an "unscriptural " divorce.
I can not tell you just how happy I am to hear this. 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼 Congratulations Author for following your intuition 🤝🏼🤝🏼🤝🏼🤝🏼🤝🏼🤝🏼🤝🏼 rather then the regulations { based on an inaccurate form of scriptural interpretation, } of the Watchtower. Your intuition ( along with scientific modern medical research, ) *DID SAVE YOUR LIFE.*
Good for you!
That JW couple who stood by your bedside, were they part of *Watchtower's Hospital Liaison Team?*
I’m glad you took the blood and how fucked up must you be to tell on a person for wanting to save their own life????? What a terrible organization!!!!!!!
For the first time in my life, I can’t wait for the conventions.
The very first sentence of the first clip, “Sadly, some considered women as being inferior to men”… and I spit out my coffee in laughter. And this is why I could never set foot in a convention again.
and the way he says "infuurriorrr"
Gross hypocrites!
Lloyd I am so grateful for your patience in watching these conventions all the way through. That is immense work Lloyd. The cringe is out of this world. I would need some kind of counselling after watching these lol. I am helped by your tireless work. Thank you
William Malenfant always shakes his head, unconsciously revealing he doesn't believe what he is saying.
I noticed that when the lies get really thick, the speakers tend to choke a little, and clear their throats.
Hmm
You're so right
It was worth waiting for! Thank you so much Lloyd for your videos, I can’t stop watching them!
When I was a kid my JW cousins would always explain that while they did not get presents on birthdays or Christmas, they got presents at other times and they would make sure their parents sent some to me as well. I'm still waiting for those presents.
I chuckle everytime you sing along with that intro. Even if the convention is awful, at least we have humour.
Hey Lloyd... Your convention rebuttals are a highlight of my year. Thanks for your time, work and attention to detail in every installment. I grew up attending these events, bible and publications in hand. Mind warping stuff. Thank you. Be well and stay safe.
Lloyd, you are indeed rescuing lives that otherwise could have been ruined by Watchtower. Myself and millions of others that have woken up will unceasingly thank you for your very great effort!!
It's so unsettling to think back to my mindset when I was devout. I submitted my letter of disassociation today, I'm anxious but I feel free. I'm happy l did research, I've been in for 4 years. Now it's time for me to let the ones around me that I am now spiritual but not affiliated... I'm anxious honestly...
Well done & congratulations in the next step of your journey towards total freedom 👋👋. I faded 11 years go but have only been woke for 3, I have yet to take your brave step. Wish you well xx
Thank you 💜l wish you all the best too.
👍🥰
And remember, you owe no one an explanation or any personal information about your life that you don't want to share. It doesn't make you any less sincere. It's just a step towards taking back control of your life as an adult who need only share what you want, and throwing off the shackles of having the GB micromanaging your life.
If this makes you anxious,, come back another time if you want to offer an explanation. Or go with your plan and explain away. The point is, you have no one to answer to except for yourself. And that's the best way to live. Do you and enjoy the journey. Good luck and sounds like you are doing just fine! ☺️👍🏽
Thank you so much l believe this is so important for me to remember. Everyone around me will just have to adjust to my changes, l don't need to be accomodative anymore😭😭😭l am allowed to change 🌸l feel free now, l no longer feel guilty doing what makes me genuinely happy 😭
Thank you Tibor for being so gratious 👌🏽😭
Love you man, keep up the good work.
Best way to get rid of the “I get back to work tomorrow”-anxiety! I look forward to this! Thanks for all that you do!
I have no idea how you get access to these videos even before JWs do, but I am so grateful for every such video. It brings me real joy 🥰
From what I’ve heard Lloyd say in interviews is that people that are at Bethel that are PIMO which is physically in mentally out send him the leaked material.💁🏻♀️
@@maryannlockwood7806 that's cool!
@@maryannlockwood7806 wait really! I assumed no PIMOs were at Bethel. Must be a crazy life!
@@maryannlockwood7806 I would like too say a big THANK YOU too the pimo, s at bethel. Keep up the great work!!
@@shanghaiberti4142 Amen
Am I alone In sensing that the ruling theme of this assembly was Defence? The WT seems to be on the back foot,trying to stem the defections. I detect an air of desperation in so many of their presentations The familiar thread of encouragement and expansion of past Assemblies has been replaced by exhortations to “resist” “ shy away from “ “ don’t listen to “ Hmm
And in the timeline it makes sense too. Don't the conventions start to be prepared 5 years before they happen? It meets with the ARC, or close to it, if you you go back 5 years.
@@guigagude Yes, the Society begins preparing the summer assemblies roughly five years in advance. As I've mentioned before, David Splane, consequently, had at least that long to prepare his discourse for the Saturday afternoon session; and yet, to hear his delivery, there are sections where it sounds as though he was still trying to put it together right on the platform! I mention that specific discourse because there are lines in which he effectively throws both Geoffrey Jackson and Steven Lett under the proverbial bus, Jackson in the section on sworn testimony and Lett in the section on guilt in the sight of men and "innocence" in the sight of God. The swipe at Lett, for instance, is in light of Lett's remarks at Morning Worship (as presented on the Society's website) to the effect that to state that the Society protects pædophiles is "ridiculous"; in claiming that an individual's guilt is to be determined, not by a jury of his peers, but by the Lord, Splane, however, is admitting that, yes, the Society does protect pædophiles, and that at the expense of their victims, and declaring that Jehovah's witnesses, particularly the victims, should have absolutely no qualms whatsoever about that.
My question would be for Ken, how does he know Hannah was baren? Maybe it was the guy. Oh, but wait, in the Bible the baren one is always the woman. 💯Scientific!
Hanna was wife number 2 and the other wife had kids. To me it's just like other couples I know that tried for years before finally having a child. Sometimes these things just happen. No reason whatsoever to need divine intervention as part of the story.
@@visearms5774 in this example, yes. But there are other examples and always the woman was the one baren.
Amazing point!
The only thing Jehovah really showed me was that I needed to learn how to do EVERYTHING myself.
Looking forward to this
Is it just my imagination -- no Stephen Lett so far in this convention?
Bravissimo Lloyd from Italia. You are a world superstar in the exjw world!! Greetings Giovanni
Thanks as always Lloyd for all the hard work and research and preparation you put into this rebuttal.
As a first year fully awoken ex JW who isn’t in a prison of indoctrination, you can clearly see the level of desperation and pressure has been turned up year after year as this cult is being exposed and continues to spin the narrative to keep people deluded and locked in and forcing ones who are studying to sadly give JW’s a chance at bat only to virtually strike out time after time when it comes to their lies and false predictions and to cover up the huge monster they have hid behind that curtain of deceit.
It’s so easy to see now, yet how sad it is that some of us have wasted precious time and years from our lives being heavily controlled by this false high pressure cult.
Thanks again for the clear picture of sanity you bring us all.
I can't believe how these speakers keep describing who they are as a cult by trying to convince everyone that it is _other_ groups and religions who are that way but not them.
I'm respecting Lloyd more and more, the amount of self restriction you have is just amazing. if I was doing the rebuttal, I'd probably have slapped the table already, or burried my face in my hands from the level of word bending I'm hearing.
14:50.... and not everybody should.
1:15:10 seeing Geoffrey Jackson i am always back in the Australian Royal Commission hearing. His lies will never leave my memory.
“suspiciously American” is my favorite line in this whole video
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I’m looking forward to this. It’s so nice to be off in the summer and be able to see this stuff real time.☺️
@Maryann Lockwood 👋MLock !
@@catmeow333 🙋🏻♀️
@@maryannlockwood7806 How’s your summer going ? Good I hope. Lots of joy here in CT (a few health hurdles to fix) Its so healing to see familiar names in the virtual exjw community, I’ve been faded since 1992 but just woke up Sept 2019 so I’m still insatiable. I just received a book by Luna Lindsey Corbden (discovered her on John Dehlin’s Mormon Stories podcast) Luna has compiled information from hundreds of sources including Steven Hassan on combating mind control. It’s titled “Recovering Agency”. Although she’s ex-Mormon the info isn’t limited or tailored to a specific group. 🌏meow
@@catmeow333 It’s going very well thank you. I sure hope that you’re doing OK & that whatever you’re doing you make a speedy recovery from. Went to a concert for the first time in ages last night to see Daryl Hall & John Oates with one of my friends. Lots of fun. I’ll have to look into that book since I’m always on the lookout for new reading material.🙋🏻♀️📚
By the way I’ve been out since 1986 but didn’t fully awaken until probably 2017 thanks to Lloyd’s videos & my own research.
I really want to ask one of these “don’t learn from their enemies” people if they order from Amazon but only read the 5-star reviews.
The answer is, yes.
Lmao and that would be for products that, if you did find unsatisfactory, you could just return or give it away, or straight up throw it out. We're encouraged to have that sort of 'look at things from all sides' when it comes to buying a toaster or something- but when it comes to following a religion that will in its essence have complete and utter control over every aspect of your life and could even get you killed- naaaah those 1 star reviews are from a bunch of biased dummies anyways 🤣
So, the gist of the weekend so far has been: "sacrificing your kids is expected and to be exalted" and "slaving away for our real estate portfolio is maximizing your potential to the fullest." Add in the talk about not trusting the legal system and it becomes obvious how much of this is damage control.
I only hope that's all it is; and not an attempt to prime JWs for an "exit strategy."
When the Asian gentleman said in narration "trust in Jehovah and do what is right." and he attempted to sneak by militarized police the SWAT team, Rogue One's Chirrut Imwe chanting "I'm one with the Force and the Force is with me" while walking through stormtrooper crossfire came to mind. I wouldn't be surprised if Rogue One somehow inspired that scene.
All of their dramatizations are depressing to watch they just give off a very depressing spirit unless of course you’re at one of their gatherings where they’re able to be free and happy and to celebrate
Bro I'm only 5 minutes in and i already have so many questions
Patrik: "Sadly some people see women inferior to men"
Me: so when can we give public talks then? Not 5 minute bible study presentations, 30 minute talks or better yet long ass talks at conventions, assembly's or even the memorial talk. If women arnt inferior to men you'll let women become Co's then? This must mean that women r allowed to be the Head of their nuclear household then... Right?
Oh right, woman can do none of those things, hmmm... I wonder y 🙄
Well said chica!!!
... and God forbid they should touch the microphones......
I think the thought of a woman becoming a member of the governing body would make their heads swell and explode.
I’m surprised with how excited I am for these rebuttals 😅 Have never been that excited for a real convention, I’ll tell you that!
If this is the actual Truth and Jehovah God is real and this is His chosen people, then Jehovah is terrible at proving the Truth is the truth! These arguments are easily debunked with critical thinking and reasoning. God is not that smart apparently...
It’s not God who isn’t smart. It’s the arrogant governing body.
“I didn’t need to learn about JW’s from their enemies.”- lol that’s because you know first hand how faulty they are, but you just can’t bring yourself to accept it!
The Watchtower is saying: " buy my car but don't look under the bonnet!!"🥴
That guy that won't "learn about Jehovah Witnesses from their enemies " looks like he is trapped in the sunken place.
I’d imagine when buying the phone he was looking at that message on, he did FAR more research from every possible source before committing to it than the religion he is throwing his entire life into.
Far more research is probably done on a phone that will last only a few years before trading it in for a newer model, if not every year. But a life long commitment? Better not investigate it thoroughly!
Utter stupidity.
I said the same thing!!!😂... He didn’t need to learn, because he already knows!!
You just keep getting better!
I want to know who had to go and buy the Christmas decorations for that video
Can you imagine asking any of those governing body brothers to do a 3.5-4 hour talk..
Thanks as always Lloyd, your work is greatly appreciated!
Can you imagine what those ‘brothers and sisters’ were feeling when setting up that Christmas tree in the middle of ‘Jehovah’s movie studio’. I bet they enjoyed it secretly or were sick to the stomach what a Pegan thing like that was doing there… What’s next? A ‘sister’ playing a prostitute? I guess for the sake of propaganda anything goes.
15 years ago I got out of this organization, and I hardly recognize it anymore. With every year that passes I see that this was the best decision that I ever made in my life. Letting go of all religious ideas set my mind free to make up my own mind and I never felt so good ❤️
Geez.. how naïve us Ex’s were to buy into JW doctrines! When I was in it up to my eyeballs, it made so much sense 😳😬 Being out of it for 25 years, it’s now laughable. Really LAUGHABLE 🤪
Wow, now I'm looking forward to the prostitute dramatization ^_^ That's gonna be great
It's interesting that you would mention a sister playing a harlot. The Society has presented at least two dramas regarding the account of Rahab at summer assemblies over the years, to wit, at the 1973 international assembly ("'Shout! For Jehovah Has Given You the City'") and at a district assembly during the '80's ("Marked for Survival").
So if I were a child and listening to that dramatization about the girl being taken away from her family.. preaching about jevovah would be the last thing I would do. I would be trying to get back to my parents.
How many times will they tell the exact same story of a wife bringing an unbelieving husband into the cult? It’s the SAME story every time, just different people. “I was a piece of shit.... anyways, my wife started studying the Bible with Jehovah’s Witnesses.” 🤦♂️
"Little Jimmy." "Yes Mum?" "Now tell me the truth, did you Lie about what happened today?" "No Mummy its New Light! Ive been a very good boy!" ..........Oh Guad! Any parent could see through that line of CRAP
@@DocJerky 💀💀
Putting a hard hat and driving to different locations in a very nice car, much easier than doing door to door ministry.
POV: The Governing Body is fresh out of Anti-apostate material.
Lloyd: You could not live with your own failure. And what did that bring you? Back to me.
Most people read 'reviews' when buying a product nowadays, this is no different, what's could be wrong with seeing what former consumers have to say??
They get direct communication they say from Jehovah God yet aren't inspired??? ! Or could it be a sneaky way to cover some humongous clangers when suits??
To use people's emotions at their weakest is despicable, almost emotionally coaxing people to believe the resurrection is a JW thing not a Christian one so come to us as we're the only means to that resurrection!
They do this on purpose, knowing full well that they are a cult to "aly the fears" of those who fear it.
Thanks for making these fun to watch. I used to dread the 84 part symposiums 😅
Me and my brother used to write scribble books,with no words in them at some assemblies,just sitting and scribble, scribble,very similar to their books of many colours.📚 Just ideas in their heads trying to work the whole mess out!
Scribble, scribble, scribble...📝
@@swinnburn that is hilarious!
New light will be revealed, coming from the darkest place on earth: LLOYD’s BUNKER!😂👍🏼
Coming from the liquor store too
New light was revealed here today, by Lloyds gracious spotlight 🙌
...in the light of Lloyd's spotlight of honesty, their gaslight is flooded and all their lies fizzle out.
@@ResearchThis and by Tibor's gracious thumbnails
@@toomyconne768 THE LIQUOR STORE 😂😂😂😂
You go Lloyd! Love your work!
Whenever the U2 thing happens it just makes my day
The apostate talk was so asinine. The contradiction of, don’t read anything negative about the organization but don’t just believe rumors, check it out. I mean, are families looking At each other like, well which one is it???? No it’s check out anything except anything negative about the witnesses. I just can not see how my mom, of all people isn’t frustrated at this. Maybe she is, but too afraid to admit it to herself. Idk. 😒
I think it is the latter. I was one of those that thought, "I sacrificed this much, so it better be true." Also kept my mouth shut about my crisis of faith for the last 4 years.
I believe that in the Christmas story a line from Jade and Nita dramatisation was used: “I knew how mom felt about Christmas, but I also knew how Jehovah felt about it.” Even the actresses are similar looking.
Regarding imprisonment dramatisation, I reckon it’s in Russia, not USA. At 59:09 the guard has Russian coat of arms on his hat, and also the scarf that the woman wears is kinda Eastern Europe style.
Good job Lloyd I don’t know how people could listen to one side of the story
If I hear “Eyes of Faith” song this many times in the last part of the convention ..I’m going to TEAR MY OWN EYES OUT!!!😤
36:50 or so: GB says "she was barren! A bitter reproach from Jehovah in this culture" or something similar. Double bind/catch-22: women were/are also judged/blamed if they do get pregnant, but in the 'wrong order', ie, before marriage. So don't be childless, but certainly don't get pregnant accidentally. Why is her worth based on pregnancy at all. (Rhetorical question).
Where would they be without dramatisations? There is no substance to this religion at all these days. I couldn’t imagine sitting in an assembly audience watching this and keeping a straight face
My "still actively in" father is going to ask did I get to see the convention.. "oOoOO yes I did" 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Lol love it
How do i become witness
@@stevofactor only if you are extreamly unlucky
@@shanghaiberti4142 lucky you mean
@@stevofactor no unlucky
When that young man in the dramtisation asked himself, 'Why would I want to learn about Jehovah's Witnesses from their enemies?', the question he should have asked himself was, 'Why do Jehovah's Witnesses have enemies?'
Way to go Lloyd!! You do the good work.
2:18:16 @Patrick LaFranca Despite my 10% smaller cranial capacity, at least I know that the term “Complementary Colors” is a location reference to opposite positions on the color wheel. Red vs Green, Purple vs Yellow, Blue vs Orange and so on.
🔶 Consider this New Light and revise your remark to “you sisters are aware of Harmonious color combinations” However, if you’re using complementary as a completion of something, you’ll need to rework this line brother.
Why do you have a 10% smaller cranial capacity?
@@jessiehermit9503 Samuel Herd of the gb gave a famous talk and the arrogant, pompous ass stated, “You know scientists say the cranial capacity of a woman is 10% smaller than that of a man. So now this shows that she’s just not equipped for the role of headship.”
i love how they all seem to flinch or stumble over that fearsome 'E'-word
I spent seven years there without being baptized. The pressure was really intense to be baptized. When I balked, I was treated as if I was disfellowshipped. JW. Took a couple years to unravel the head trip they did on me.
1:41:30 "Has been possible only with superhuman assistance" - this has never made sense to me and always infuriated me. People had literally sent other people to the outer space! Provided electricity everywhere, jet planes, antibiotics and so on and so forth. All of this would look like literal magic to a medieval man, and all of this has been done without the "superhuman assistance". And compared to that - to build a small religious cult is something more impressive, proving the "superhuman assistance"? Absolute horseshit!
I was actually surprised when they came in to my room before I had my premature baby and all the things that we had been told were included in the no blood stance that they told me I needed to accept. I did not say anything but the look on my face must have said it all because I was met with “you cannot tie the doctors hands” that bothered me in the moment but soon I was back to trying to get through another hour trying to keep my baby in and give her more time and I put that comment in the back of my head but three years later they would stand by my dads bedside and tell him he could accept bone marrow but not platelets and the need for the latter actually caused his death very quickly because his blood could not clot and it just blows my mind how over the years they have changed and tweaked the rules on no blood just a little bit here and there but nobody seems to question it and tbh until you are the one in that hospital bed , as a member of the organization, or your family member is in that hospital bed you do not actually know from day to day the actual rules they are holding to at any given point. It is crazy that we just went along with the no blood regulation as gospel but we actually did not know what we were or weren’t allowed to accept like I said at any given time. I’m sure at this point even more has changed that most don’t even realize. I mean my dads cousin never got baptized as he was born with hemophilia and the medicine he needed to keep him alive was against the rules I’m not even sure if my great uncle was baptized because either my aunt or uncle had to have not been considering one of them had to sign off on that while he was small. He actually passed away shortly before my dad being the oldest male to live with the illness, he was well into his thirties. Idk if he still holds that spot but he was pretty well known by a handful of well known physicians in those final few years because prior to an accident where they could not stop the bleeding, which is the main piece to the illness, he was fairly healthy and only a bit developmentally delayed due to a brain bleed caused during birth I believe. I just don’t understand how anyone can buy this crap anymore it is so blatantly wishy washy and Cherry picked to cater to what the gb decides to go with whenever they want to change something
With joy in my heart I DONATE BLOOD whenever I can!!
It was one of the first things I did after “waking up”
I’m currently donating PLASMA (can do that more often than donating blood)
It’s my personal F YOU to the WBTS while doing my part to give back to my community. Blood is life & life is precious & if I can help someone live longer, then I am definitely for it!
Btw…I love that U2 “attended” the convention. 😅😂🤣💀
They have some f nerve, these people.
My comment will appear here if Tibor is gracious 👉 excellent work as always
Honestly i felt so heard and seen when you said you realize not everyone wants children. People very often just take that for granted and it's nice to be acknowledged :) (plus, being able to conceive "past the age" is my literal nightmare xD i got sterilized for a reason, i don't need sky daddy to meddle with that!)
I don't have any maternal inclinations either, but that doesn't keep me from empathizing with the pain of women who do want children and can't have them.
Gerrit Lösch needs to pack it in and call it a day. He’s not looking/sounding too well these days.
Are any of them?. It must be hard lying all the time!
“We officially extend sympathy” the helper says while shaking his head. That head shake implies he doesn’t mean what his mouth is saying
I have been waiting for Lloyd’s day 3 rebuttal! Pins & needles!
Ivan Ramos, I agree, entirely. I love the conventions, through the eyes of Lloyd.
Did anybody notice that - in the dramatization of the young 'sister' being locked up - the name tags look exactly like the name tags we all used to (...had to...) wear when attending the big conventions? Does make sense.. in a way you are locked up in this group. Not even 'in a way'. You just are, period.
I really admire you Lloyd sitting through all these videos must take quite a toll
Thank you Lloyd for your hard work, and producing exquisite content as always.
You are amazing!
Their sympathy is as fake as the scenarios they present in their dramatizations.
Just in for the intro and I already feel mad about it!
I recently (9weeks) lost my little brother to suicide and my mom and her husband who are still in, COMPLETELY IGNORED me and my lil sis in their speech at the funeral.
Ofcourse, because WE NO LONGER BELIEVE !
They said that they can’t wait for the NEW WORLD to be here sk they can finally see their son again🙄 like, you know with how it’s made to believe you WILL LOSE 2 daughters right?
And our lil brother would find it weird that we’re not there!?
Those STUPID “arguments” will be thrown at me and my lil sis, i am not in contact since 2 weeks now.. but HOW I’D LOOVEEEE.L TO TELL THIS STORY.
Im soooo bothered and mad at these people, traumatized, how in the F do they still believe this crap!!???😢😡
I know for sure my mom will find “ so much EXTRA support” LIES, FALSE HOPE, from this dramatization 🙄 just to be dumbed down and not see what she still has left on this Earth, 3 daughters, 5 grandkids but hey, we’re all eating from SATANS TABLE SO WE’RE already DEAD right?
Sorry for the ranting Lloyd, as always, thank you so much for the time and effort you put in. 💯
I have so much love for you for helping me wake up, i wish i could keep my calm and make my mom see that this “religion/cult” holding them captive …
Keep up this great work, mayb i will get to tell my story someday, untill then: ❤️ thank you and stay safe for you and your family and ALL THE PEOPLE READING THIS/ struggling with similar stuff..
hang in there!
Lovee from the Netherlands
i’m sorry.
So sorry for the terrible loss of your brother and your treatment by your JW family
That's terrible. So sorry you had to go through all that. x
Why is there never an experience from someone who says they had the best life ever prior to joining the JWs, but joined because it made so much sense logically? They always have been having a terrible life in some way, and needed an escape.
Very good point! Never thought of that.
Common Lloyd. I left the organization so I DIDNT have to sit through 8 Part Symposiums 😂 now you’re making do that very thing I despise!
1:00:45 I believe the dramatisation is supposed to show a girl imprisoned in present-day Russia. Look at the coat of arms.
It's true when you are in the organization you seem to take it as face value then you get out and you start to see it after doing research on it
A current PIMO I know, she is black with natural black hair and her black dad is an elder and told her he will get it straight for her because the “brothers don’t like curly”
These dystopian dramatizations are ridiculous 😂
High camp, and ultimate cringe. Compellingly bad.
i wonder if dubs think these dramatizations are real. ffs, this is stupid stuff. i’m ashamed i ever believed it. i’m forever grateful to Lloyd for helping me wake up before subjecting myself to this melodramatic tripe. f’A.
As a never JW how would it stand if a member of staff spoke to a patient (perhaps during personal care) and said "we could do this without anyone else knowing" It's not usual in the hospital's I have worked in but it can be done overnight in exceptional circumstances where there are no visitors allowed
So that was filmed at the Canadian branch. I knew a load of people in that video. The coffee cart guy or whatever was a good friend of mine. Crazy to see that he is still at bethel all these years later. Ole JC hahaha
William Melonpants is as strange and inauthentic as Tony Tightpants.
1:50:08 omg, exactly I'm from the Caribbean, and some afro-Caribbean hairstyles are banned. Locs, bantu knots, big afros, men can't wear cornrows and braids. My dad actually cut his long curly mane to go in that cult. I feel there is some sort of racism ingrained in those rules, because those hairstyles are litteraly made for curly and coily hair but we can't wear them.
It seems that they are more interested in discrediting others and is circling the wagons than actually preaching any 'good news' at all! This entire conference was touted as being faith-building and all that, but it's just been rant after rant about Apostates and Satan's System. This is so far from what is described even in their own Bible that it bears absolutely no resemblance to anything written in that Bible.
Didn’t Hannah have a baby, and after everything she went through, didn’t she have to give him away to God?
The thing is even with the dramatization @ 1:29:00 (ish lol) the guys friend heard him talking about his love of JWs so he did his own research (from outside the religion) & found out horrible things, tried to help his friend realise this is not a great or honest organisation & he just went nope & didn't even bother looking at what the friend had to say (what he accused his friends of doing in the first place)
* edit * Also 2:18:00 talking about friends bad track records & not considering that when it comes to CSA?! or other abuses people in the congregation have commited?
Also also why has nobody made memes about William Turner?! I think of Pirates of the Caribbean everytime his name is mentioned
@Lloydevans, i caught the Easter egg in the last video with you sweeping the patio, but in this video i luv the magic trick you did at 2:36.54 to 2:36.56, with the book reappearing back into the glass case shelve behind you, now if i didn't know any better i would say that you were able to do that with the help of a higher power, but i think some video editing was the reason for that, hahaha... awesome video man :)
I think I know why there is very little dialog in the demonstrations this time. For myself, I like to put together a puzzle or do some work as I'm listening to a video, depending on what I'm watching, treating it like a podcast. I think the GB are trying to prevent followers from treating the convention like a podcast, they have to watch to get the full story.
1:40:49-Chapter and verse, please. Citation needed, not examples. The New Independent Fundamentalist Baptists aren't afraid to be unpopular, either; should we follow them?
2:09:55-How can they seriously say the world is "going from bad to worse"? Sure, we have problems, and that's always been the case and always will be. However, this is the most peaceful time in history, less people are dying from disease due to modern medicine, less people are dying from starvation due to modern agriculture, less people are dying from lack of clean water, etc.
2:13:35-What a bunch of narcissists. Hey! You're not that important! Let me guess: the Supreme Court wouldn't even hear it. I don't like the Catholics, but the SC probably threw it out because priests don't call the Vatican to report the crimes. Obviously, that's not a good system, but at least there aren't messages flying around about it.
2:30:30-Thanks for just destroying your own organization. "The one who cannot lie," Are we talking about the same god that said he deceives prophets?