well the other tribes didnt have that and had their own agendas and beliefs and of course wanted to know more but simply didnt use focus, though it was the more modern version and obviously they had no clue and nora refused that entirely
I hate to say it, but it was pretty brilliant how Londra used the Quen's own faith to manipulate them. "They say there are two ways to be fooled. One is to believe what isn't true, the other is to refuse to believe what is." (Vigo Grimborn, Dragons: Race to the Edge) The Quen fooled themselves into thinking that they were superior to all the other tribes because of the Legacy. But the problem with that line of thinking is that by believing that you're better than everyone else and destined for something greater, you can be easily fooled by someone with greater knowledge than you, which is exactly what Londra did. This is why I hate the "Chosen One" trope. Take Kina for example. Kina was a skilled navigator and an imperial favorite ever since she was young. As a result, she was already use to receiving special treatment and prestige, which is how she was so easily fooled by Londra's lies. Kinda believed what wasn't true and she couldn't see through the ruse until Londra revealed his true callous nature. The whole thing reminded me a lot of how HADES used Helis and the Eclipse in the last game. Horizon sure loves their cults. 😇😈
Funny how the desire to stay close to the comfort of the "goddess" has kept the Nora so far behind compared to tribes like the Quen who venture out. Funny how comfort and safety can turn around and bite you when you're not willing to venture out and discover new things. The Quen are now my favorite tribe of our Horizon world. Their expertise in maritime transportation and societal structure has been most fascinating. Besides, their outfits are my favorite! Even the Carja don't have that much style. But, just like every other tribe, they misinterpreted the past and shaped their tribe into another lost civilisation of confused and lost humans. I hope Aloy and Beta will fix all this mess soon... Great video as always Sir!
I am also curious to see what opposing tribes that fight the Quen when we get to Horizon 3. We'll we get to see Carja, Nora, and Oseram but with different tribal names but with similar lifestyles, or will they get creative and think outside of the box?
A mix of both, I should expect. If something works, multiple societies will think of it independantly. In 148 BC, Carthage invented the promisory note, using inscribed leather. In 118 BC, China came up with the same idea. Marco Polo was shocked in his travel journal at the Mongol system. "How the great Khan Causes the Bark of Trees, Made into Something Like Paper, to Pass for Money All over His Country" was a chapter title, he found it so astounding. How many societies across the world invented similar religions? Like how the Norse and Greek pantheons ascribe personalities to the forces of nature, like wind, death, the sea, etc. So I could imagine other Horizon societies based on sun worship like the Carja, or tinkering like the Oseram, or Old World knowledge and ancestor worship like the Quen. They all make sense enough that they could be invented multiple times. So I think we should have a mix of new, and hints of old with a new twist.
I love that you bring up that even the Imperials aren't allowed Focuses. Focuses are so overpowered, they're comparable to bringing gunpowder to pre-colonisation South America. Amazing that such a treasure isn't wider known, isn't it? Olin as a "lowly" Oseram Delver can walk around with such a marvel and people just laugh and think it's a jewel, and across the world, they're just about the most powerful tool a person could possess.
A prime example that technological advance doesn’t equate to sociopolitical advance. To the Quen their unique knowledge has made them a very broken tribe, would be easy to think it would push them to incredible technological advances. But their prejudice toward other tribes and subsequent mistrust in their own people has made the sharing of knowledge a highly politicized and even religious matter. And no tribe is perfect but to point at the other main tribe in the Forbidden West, the Tenakth despite the perception of being a savage/barbaric tribe, we are soon proven wrong and get to see their belief system, more focused towards resilience and honor and also thanks to Hekarro, have united as a tribe, a whole more open to change for the good of their people. They understood that unity is key to their survival and that meant making amends with former enemies, like other clans and then other tribes, like the Carja. Despite some black sheeps the message remains strong. Sorry if I’m so biased towards the Tenakth, some of my favorite characters and side-quests have come out of the tribe. I also felt Aloy found a tribe that receiver her and others more warmly and is the tribe most open to change.
Quen swords and spears that can be seen on hands of NPCs, on the Settlements or concept art seem to be inspired by shark tooth weapons of Polynesian cultures and Native Hawaiians. These weapons used a wooden shaped sword, dagger, lance, axe, club and had shark teeth attached to the edge of these wooden weapons by rope. In a similar fashion, the Quen Sword and Quen Spear have metal pieces to teeth attached to their wooden and metal weapons attached by rope. The Quen ship is also inspired by trimarans, which ultimately have their origins in Polynesian boats.
Personally, I think I like the look of the Quens' armour the best. The flowiness of the fabric and those little circular metal plates just do it for me. They even top the oseram's armour in my opinion
i'm not particularly a fan of the fluffiness, they seem a little too puffed out at some points, carja armors seem to be more sleek but to each their own
Thank you for another great video! I've watched about every lore video you ever made and they allow me to enjoy my favorite game series even more. Always a pleasure seeing you uploaded a new one :)
Just as I’d been thinking I was missing the world of Horizon, a great video from RSQ! Good to have the two stories of the Quen woven together, I’m still a little on the fence about them but it does add some interesting lore 😊.
Has there been anything released that shows the canonical ending to burning shores? I know the player is given the choice for aloys relationship but for the purpose of continuity in other titles and media there is going to be one option that is what was chosen. I really hope they decide to move forward with the relationship it was such an amazing story seeing it unfold, could tell from early on both were developing feelings and it felt so natural
I'm pretty sure the kiss was the canon ending. Otherwise, they wouldnt have gone thru so much trouble making Aloy and Seyka flirt constantly throughout the game. Also the little details the devs added to give the "relationship" more nuance, such as how Aloy would tell Varl ab her feelings for Seyka if u visit his grave, and how they heavily promoted Seyka's actress.
In my opinion the choice we've had was only on how Aloy acts on her feelings, but all choices made it clear, that Aloy reciprocates Seyka's feelings. So the romance is canon and they both know that they have a crush on each other. So I think they move on with it. But I'm not sure how big of a part Seyka will be present in Horizon 3, especially because this was a DLC. We'll see :)
@@Heyiammaxi I absolutely agree. For how big of a part Seyka will be around for ... yes, it's a DLC but one that directly sets the stage for Horizon 3. And Seyka told us that after reuniting the fleet she's not sailing home and she has literally nothing more to do. My guess is she'll join Aloys team early to mid Horizon 3.
I’m sure what’s going to happen is what happened with every other flashpoint, done on purpose. -Seyka shows up early to mid game -They aren’t together but have romantic tension -Aloy is still nervous and blushing around her and it’s obvious -Seyka and Aloy bond more and have moments - Seyka eventually pushes on Aloy and tries to start a relationship with her. -Aloy reciprocates and they date There. I’m not saying it will happen exactly like that but they get together, honoring Aloy’s feelings and character arc, while allowing all options to have happened and the outcome is the same.
@@moonmoon2479 I totally agree w this. Some ppl theorize that theres gonna be multiple romance options in H3 but I dont think so. I think (and hope) it's just gonna be Seyka and I'm theorizing it's gonna play out this exact way
Great video. I think Horizon 3 will take us to the Quen Lands and knowledge from Apollo will make the journey much quicker. Apart from the Horus, I found the Burning Shores rushed & underwhelming compared to Frozen Wilds.
@@CrimsonAngelWingesActually they don't have Apollo yet, you can read Sylens' notes in Tilda's mansion in the dlc and he talks about the fact that Apollo is still in the Odyssey, and that he needs to make sure he could use the Zenith's ship without it self destruction or trying to kill him.
I love the idea of the Quen. Given the fact that they are most likely from China and got their focuses there it makes sense that their civilization is a mostly authoritarian society. Hopefully we get more in the next game.
@Mitth'raw'nuruodo A constitutional republic is a type of democracy. Democracy just means that the government is elected by popular vote. The UK is a democracy despite being a constitutional monarchy, as parliament and the Prime Minister are elected.
Just finished playing the DLC and as soon as I saw Londra's base being decorated with Quen stuff I knew where this story was going. I was curious as to why the Zeniths didn't do anything with the Quen as they would be easy targets to serve them. Of course, it was only a matter of time till one of the Zenith showed interest in basking in a tribe that holds them to a religious standard.
I doubt that tbh. First, said clone would be walking around somewhere not waiting in the facility. Second, the relevant Zero Dawn facilities needed for repairing Gaia are all in the USA. Why create another clone in asia, who'd have to cross the Pacific to be of use.
@@Rey-2517 I’m no thinking of the clone being in the cradle facility just a member of whatever tribe is closest and her not seeing or hearing the message
@@michaelbellefeuille5181 Well, I think it's unlikely that Gaia just tasked every cradle with making a Sobeck clone for reasons mentioned above. But I'm curious why would it be sad if that hypothetical clone never saw the Gaia cradle message?
@@Rey-2517 because in the message Gaia said she believed in her and finding out that she did it to other ones would imply that she didn’t believe in her.
@@michaelbellefeuille5181 Now I understand. You were asking if it would be sad for Aloy to see the same message directed at other clones as it wouldn't be a personal message from Gaia to Aloy specifically, right? Sorry, seem to be a bit slow today :) Yes, I think it would. It would probably hurt her and remind her that if anyone ever wanted to they could mass produce genetic twins of Aloy and Beta which isn't great for anyones sense of individuality.
It's kinda wild to me that people like the Carja and Queen refer to themselves as a tribe rather than like "our nation/our empire". Them thinking they're above anyone else is kinda part of their identity. So why use a term that implies there's like 20 of them in each of their cultures.
I thought that the Quen were based off the yellow river delta, since Quen is similar to similar to Chinese phonetics, and while cradle facilities brought diverse backgrouds, information was still chinese centirc in nature, such knowledge central and large infrastructural societies such as Qin or Xin dynasties
I don't think they knew the location but somewhere in the logs it's said that Ted allegedly had a special connection to San Francisco more than anywhere else, they had a year to dig from there I guess. But of course, happy, convenient coincidences to move the plot forward 😂
Frankly speaking.... the way you describe the Quen, it really does sound like China. With the devine mandate, and the fear that dissent causes instability. Along with the tight control of information (for its population)... Great delta could describe many parts of Asia, anywhere between India, Bangladesh and into China, depending what they game designers do with the landscape.
Fantastic summary as always, thank you! As outstanding as the lore and storytelling in Horizon is, the implications of Apollo's absence and the evolution of humanity aren't quite as logical. Even without Apollo, GAIA could have at least taught basic science. Why did she just leave the youngsters to their fate and not just leave Eleuthia open? They could have reconstructed the missing knowledge together with GAIA and the servitors. Why was she denied contact? Was it because of Ted? After all, the Focus were there, just not the knowledge. The Quen are doing something that probably would have happened if Apollo had not been deleted. Knowledge is censored and withheld from the normal people in order to exercise power. But even with the Focus, the Quen are not much further along in their development than the rest of the tribes. I think after 700 years they should basically be further ahead considering that there is still so much left of the old world.
Trying to responde to your text chronologically. As you said yourself Gaia wasn't allowed to initiate contact with humans. She can not act against her programming. Therefore, she couldn't have helped the tribal humans along. Why was she programmed that way? Probably to ease the new humans into the world. Have them learn with Apollo and understand the world first. Then, meet Gaia on their own terms once they're ready. Since learning with Apollo never happened they were left to their own devices. Though, admittedly I wouldn't put it past Ted to rig something up so Gaia couldn't intervene leaving himself the only source of knowledge. I'm not so sure about censorship. How would you go about censoring Gaias database? Or access to it if literally everybody has a focus (as was planned for the cradles)? And finally the Quen, if a society decides to restrict education and research to a few dozen people in the entire empire I'd say they are bound to progress at a snails pace no matter how much data those few have access to.
Those are all some compelling questions, and unfortunately not much is known concerning the time humans were first released from cradle facilities... This may have been a remnant of a system where Apollo wasn't wiped, and humans were intended to take control of certain aspects of ZD systems for themselves. A fail-safe to ensure GAIA wouldn't have the power to influence humanities to heavily. Obviously though, this is all speculation.
One thing really bugs me - why do Quen (Seika in particular) also call Horus "the Metal Devil"? It really clashes with their role as tech-savvy tribe, that must know things about the Faro robots (even if not about the Plague per se). And even if they don't know about it, how is their term is the exact same as the one used by technology-denying Nora? I would really appreciate your take.
Same here (across all tribes for me) But it even says in game that the focuses the quen had access to was outdated and could not interpret data after a certain year. which I believe was before Faro started making robots for war use because the quen never knew elisabet left because of that reason
At the point that Seyka says that, hadn't Aloy already update her focus? That way he probably had access to general Data collected by Aloy/Gaia from all the other tribes and sources. But at the end of the day, as much as we try to find explanations, this game is not free of some plot holes or oversights, and that could be just it 😅
@@voidgods plot hole comment-completely agree but I don’t think Seyka was really digging through any data that she would’ve considered not important to the reason why she put it on in the first place also it’s highly possible no diviner but Alva would even know it’s called that. Alva might only know because of Aloy sharing the data she got from the first game🤷🏻♀️ But like stated above it’s a plot hole that they all came up with the same name for it anyway so I’ll accept some of it at face value 🤣🤣🤣
I'll add, just for the convenience of storytelling, characters need to use the same proper nouns for stuff just to make it easier for players to follow along. For example, people who are living oceans apart would probably have different names for a pot. But they'll refer to it as a pot for the purpose of cutting down extra writing. It's a kind of narrative hand-waviness we go along with often in other franchises (like star wars).
@@Rumkeez very true I would love to see something like that in game though just because it would be pretty cool, although i will happily say it would probably become pretty tedious after awhile
There's so much female empowerment (a good thing!) and lesbian symbolism (also a good thing 👍) that Im a little surprised they didnt just go ahead and call them The Queef, instead of the Quen 😂 . LOL. I still read it that way when I was playing the game anyway and it made me giggle out loud 😄
Its kind of a glaring error that language never seems to be a barrier of any consequence at any point. They can understand English a millennia in the future, have split into separate tribes long enough ago to have distinct cultures, but everyone still speaks English and English only.
@@Amadeus451 The first generation in all cradles was raised with English as the default language following the purge of Apollo. Also the devs have acknowledged in an interview that different tribes would have developed different versions of English over the centuries. However, to spare the player from having to read subtitles all the time they decided to only reference this by tribe specific figures of speech.
From the start i vaguely assumed that the Birthing facility was in China but you just fucked me up. I dislike the implications that the Quen originated from Africa.
The "Great delta" is likely the yellow river great delta, in China. It would be a significantly shorter trip to US (a lot more plausible that they would survive) and also would make sense that the Leviathan project was meant for it, a river that is already polluted on today's standards. And the creators of the Leviathan project had Asian names so it all lines up well for it being China. But if it was Africa, what's the problem? Just out of curiosity 😅
@@voidgodsif it was Africa, it would make more sense for them to cross the Atlantic Ocean and they would probably end up in Soutb America, or in the United States east coast. If they were of African origin, especially Northern Africa, they would likely have a darker skin tone due to the stronger UV rays in that region
@@addisonwelsh Nope! That's the neat part; I can't tell why. Anyways: In short, I didn't mention why Stiyl and Kanzaki are going to appear with Accelerator and Index. The reason is simple; Accelerator is likely to declare war on the Anglican Church, for reasons including Index.
@@alyseleem2692 Yep, that’s the Accelerator we all know and love! Also, an interesting note about Ganbataar and Tyra. She has so far refused his advances, but he is undaunted, swearing that he shall one day “conquer the unconquerable.” However, if you remember way back to when I introduced Tyra, I said she shared her father’s love of battle, drinking… and women. She’s not unconquerable, Ganbataar just doesn’t have the correct equipment.
@@addisonwelsh Not. I was busy. Delete this one for space. And indeed, he is. Of course, while agreeing with his reasoning, Kanzaki and Stiyl remain worried about his method of..dealing with problems, as well as the conseqeunces of the course he's choosing. That said, they're all here for Index, first and foremost, and on that, they may agree. Here lies the birth of the Accelerator Faction!
@@alyseleem2692 Hooray! And I am officially out of Warhammer AUs. Not sure if I have much else to talk about at the moment, other than my research into the Battletech franchise, or some antics that occurred in a recent Space Engineers game.
Interesting how modern corporations are often influenced by works such as "The Art of War" and empirical ideas of "conquest", and how the Quen were thus recreating Empire. Empires influencing companies influencing future empires.
I really hope that they decide to course correct and not make the third game based around the Quen.... in fact I would be most happy if they weren't included at all. They were the most boring doll an uninspiring tribe of all of them. There were many women in many of the tribes that were of the lgbtq whatever the hell it is now community.... if they wanted her to hook up with a chick and have a sidekick they could have picked a female from any one of the other tribes. The way that the Quinn acted was akin to the way that Frey was in forspoken.... in fact almost every single one of the tribe members reminded me of her.. the entire tribe was unlikable in every way shape or form... Seka was just wasteful garbage inclusion that really didn't have anything in her background worth listening to or even exploring.... Alva has to be the most obnoxious character in the entire series thus far. I am very much looking forward to the third installment however I am not looking forward to needing to partake in anything more with this particular tribe hopefully they vanish Into Obscurity
A tribe building their whole civilization around knowledge but only having limited knowledge is a fascinating concept to me
well the other tribes didnt have that and had their own agendas and beliefs and of course wanted to know more but simply didnt use focus, though it was the more modern version and obviously they had no clue and nora refused that entirely
I hate to say it, but it was pretty brilliant how Londra used the Quen's own faith to manipulate them. "They say there are two ways to be fooled. One is to believe what isn't true, the other is to refuse to believe what is." (Vigo Grimborn, Dragons: Race to the Edge) The Quen fooled themselves into thinking that they were superior to all the other tribes because of the Legacy. But the problem with that line of thinking is that by believing that you're better than everyone else and destined for something greater, you can be easily fooled by someone with greater knowledge than you, which is exactly what Londra did. This is why I hate the "Chosen One" trope. Take Kina for example. Kina was a skilled navigator and an imperial favorite ever since she was young. As a result, she was already use to receiving special treatment and prestige, which is how she was so easily fooled by Londra's lies. Kinda believed what wasn't true and she couldn't see through the ruse until Londra revealed his true callous nature. The whole thing reminded me a lot of how HADES used Helis and the Eclipse in the last game. Horizon sure loves their cults. 😇😈
Excellent point!
Loved the dragons race to the edge quote and yeah Horizon loves there cults and civil wars 😅
How is it brilliant to take advantage of people that already worship you lol it’s common sense
Everyone knows that cultists are easily manipulated. Look at the church for example. They're an empire built off the backs of gullable morons.
Funny how the desire to stay close to the comfort of the "goddess" has kept the Nora so far behind compared to tribes like the Quen who venture out. Funny how comfort and safety can turn around and bite you when you're not willing to venture out and discover new things. The Quen are now my favorite tribe of our Horizon world. Their expertise in maritime transportation and societal structure has been most fascinating. Besides, their outfits are my favorite! Even the Carja don't have that much style.
But, just like every other tribe, they misinterpreted the past and shaped their tribe into another lost civilisation of confused and lost humans.
I hope Aloy and Beta will fix all this mess soon...
Great video as always Sir!
I am also curious to see what opposing tribes that fight the Quen when we get to Horizon 3. We'll we get to see Carja, Nora, and Oseram but with different tribal names but with similar lifestyles, or will they get creative and think outside of the box?
A mix of both, I should expect. If something works, multiple societies will think of it independantly.
In 148 BC, Carthage invented the promisory note, using inscribed leather. In 118 BC, China came up with the same idea.
Marco Polo was shocked in his travel journal at the Mongol system. "How the great Khan Causes the Bark of Trees, Made into Something Like Paper, to Pass for Money All over His Country" was a chapter title, he found it so astounding.
How many societies across the world invented similar religions? Like how the Norse and Greek pantheons ascribe personalities to the forces of nature, like wind, death, the sea, etc.
So I could imagine other Horizon societies based on sun worship like the Carja, or tinkering like the Oseram, or Old World knowledge and ancestor worship like the Quen. They all make sense enough that they could be invented multiple times.
So I think we should have a mix of new, and hints of old with a new twist.
I really hope Horizon 3 takes us to the Quen empire. I want to see more of them.
I love that you bring up that even the Imperials aren't allowed Focuses. Focuses are so overpowered, they're comparable to bringing gunpowder to pre-colonisation South America. Amazing that such a treasure isn't wider known, isn't it? Olin as a "lowly" Oseram Delver can walk around with such a marvel and people just laugh and think it's a jewel, and across the world, they're just about the most powerful tool a person could possess.
Olin wishes he didn’t have a focus, was given to him to spy for the cult or harm his family.
A prime example that technological advance doesn’t equate to sociopolitical advance. To the Quen their unique knowledge has made them a very broken tribe, would be easy to think it would push them to incredible technological advances. But their prejudice toward other tribes and subsequent mistrust in their own people has made the sharing of knowledge a highly politicized and even religious matter. And no tribe is perfect but to point at the other main tribe in the Forbidden West, the Tenakth despite the perception of being a savage/barbaric tribe, we are soon proven wrong and get to see their belief system, more focused towards resilience and honor and also thanks to Hekarro, have united as a tribe, a whole more open to change for the good of their people. They understood that unity is key to their survival and that meant making amends with former enemies, like other clans and then other tribes, like the Carja. Despite some black sheeps the message remains strong. Sorry if I’m so biased towards the Tenakth, some of my favorite characters and side-quests have come out of the tribe. I also felt Aloy found a tribe that receiver her and others more warmly and is the tribe most open to change.
Quen swords and spears that can be seen on hands of NPCs, on the Settlements or concept art seem to be inspired by shark tooth weapons of Polynesian cultures and Native Hawaiians. These weapons used a wooden shaped sword, dagger, lance, axe, club and had shark teeth attached to the edge of these wooden weapons by rope. In a similar fashion, the Quen Sword and Quen Spear have metal pieces to teeth attached to their wooden and metal weapons attached by rope. The Quen ship is also inspired by trimarans, which ultimately have their origins in Polynesian boats.
Polynesians migrated out from modern day Taiwan, so it’s quite… poetic
Personally, I think I like the look of the Quens' armour the best. The flowiness of the fabric and those little circular metal plates just do it for me. They even top the oseram's armour in my opinion
i'm not particularly a fan of the fluffiness, they seem a little too puffed out at some points, carja armors seem to be more sleek but to each their own
Thank you for another great video! I've watched about every lore video you ever made and they allow me to enjoy my favorite game series even more. Always a pleasure seeing you uploaded a new one :)
Yay! I so much needed my RSQ fix! Thank you so much for yet another great video!
Thanks for watching Sweet 😁
@@RandomSideQuest Always!
Just as I’d been thinking I was missing the world of Horizon, a great video from RSQ!
Good to have the two stories of the Quen woven together, I’m still a little on the fence about them but it does add some interesting lore 😊.
Has there been anything released that shows the canonical ending to burning shores? I know the player is given the choice for aloys relationship but for the purpose of continuity in other titles and media there is going to be one option that is what was chosen. I really hope they decide to move forward with the relationship it was such an amazing story seeing it unfold, could tell from early on both were developing feelings and it felt so natural
I'm pretty sure the kiss was the canon ending. Otherwise, they wouldnt have gone thru so much trouble making Aloy and Seyka flirt constantly throughout the game. Also the little details the devs added to give the "relationship" more nuance, such as how Aloy would tell Varl ab her feelings for Seyka if u visit his grave, and how they heavily promoted Seyka's actress.
In my opinion the choice we've had was only on how Aloy acts on her feelings, but all choices made it clear, that Aloy reciprocates Seyka's feelings. So the romance is canon and they both know that they have a crush on each other. So I think they move on with it. But I'm not sure how big of a part Seyka will be present in Horizon 3, especially because this was a DLC. We'll see :)
@@Heyiammaxi I absolutely agree. For how big of a part Seyka will be around for ... yes, it's a DLC but one that directly sets the stage for Horizon 3. And Seyka told us that after reuniting the fleet she's not sailing home and she has literally nothing more to do. My guess is she'll join Aloys team early to mid Horizon 3.
I’m sure what’s going to happen is what happened with every other flashpoint, done on purpose.
-Seyka shows up early to mid game
-They aren’t together but have romantic tension
-Aloy is still nervous and blushing around her and it’s obvious
-Seyka and Aloy bond more and have moments
- Seyka eventually pushes on Aloy and tries to start a relationship with her.
-Aloy reciprocates and they date
There. I’m not saying it will happen exactly like that but they get together, honoring Aloy’s feelings and character arc, while allowing all options to have happened and the outcome is the same.
@@moonmoon2479 I totally agree w this. Some ppl theorize that theres gonna be multiple romance options in H3 but I dont think so. I think (and hope) it's just gonna be Seyka and I'm theorizing it's gonna play out this exact way
Great video. I think Horizon 3 will take us to the Quen Lands and knowledge from Apollo will make the journey much quicker.
Apart from the Horus, I found the Burning Shores rushed & underwhelming compared to Frozen Wilds.
frozen wilds was another level
I cant wait to see where they are going next! It is simply a masterpiece straight through
I'd love to see the Quen shown the truth about Zero Dawn and Ted Faro. Especially now that Aloy has Apollo.
@@CrimsonAngelWingesActually they don't have Apollo yet, you can read Sylens' notes in Tilda's mansion in the dlc and he talks about the fact that Apollo is still in the Odyssey, and that he needs to make sure he could use the Zenith's ship without it self destruction or trying to kill him.
@@shydreameress264 you can see apollo online in the end cutscene when beta and aloy boot up gaia again though
I love the idea of the Quen. Given the fact that they are most likely from China and got their focuses there it makes sense that their civilization is a mostly authoritarian society. Hopefully we get more in the next game.
How does that makes sense? By that logic the Nora, Carja, Oseram, Utaru, and Tenakth should all be democratic since they are based in the US.
Nah! Sylen deduction of the Quen are spot on when he called them "a pantheon of corporate shills"
@@casualgamer8426 bro, they don’t have focuses…🤦🏾♂️🤣🤣🤣
@@casualgamer8426 and America isn’t even a democratic country, it’s a constitutional republic.
@Mitth'raw'nuruodo
A constitutional republic is a type of democracy. Democracy just means that the government is elected by popular vote.
The UK is a democracy despite being a constitutional monarchy, as parliament and the Prime Minister are elected.
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I like this guy's stache. It really catches my eye with how despicable he was.
Just finished playing the DLC and as soon as I saw Londra's base being decorated with Quen stuff I knew where this story was going. I was curious as to why the Zeniths didn't do anything with the Quen as they would be easy targets to serve them. Of course, it was only a matter of time till one of the Zenith showed interest in basking in a tribe that holds them to a religious standard.
Do you think it would be sad if Aloy went to another cradle facility and saw the exact same message with Gaia, and there was also another clone
I doubt that tbh. First, said clone would be walking around somewhere not waiting in the facility. Second, the relevant Zero Dawn facilities needed for repairing Gaia are all in the USA. Why create another clone in asia, who'd have to cross the Pacific to be of use.
@@Rey-2517 I’m no thinking of the clone being in the cradle facility just a member of whatever tribe is closest and her not seeing or hearing the message
@@michaelbellefeuille5181 Well, I think it's unlikely that Gaia just tasked every cradle with making a Sobeck clone for reasons mentioned above. But I'm curious why would it be sad if that hypothetical clone never saw the Gaia cradle message?
@@Rey-2517 because in the message Gaia said she believed in her and finding out that she did it to other ones would imply that she didn’t believe in her.
@@michaelbellefeuille5181 Now I understand. You were asking if it would be sad for Aloy to see the same message directed at other clones as it wouldn't be a personal message from Gaia to Aloy specifically, right? Sorry, seem to be a bit slow today :)
Yes, I think it would. It would probably hurt her and remind her that if anyone ever wanted to they could mass produce genetic twins of Aloy and Beta which isn't great for anyones sense of individuality.
Another phenomenal video by my fellow Banuk @RandomSideQuest
It's kinda wild to me that people like the Carja and Queen refer to themselves as a tribe rather than like "our nation/our empire". Them thinking they're above anyone else is kinda part of their identity. So why use a term that implies there's like 20 of them in each of their cultures.
I love how realistic relgious interpretation is in these games.
I thought that the Quen were based off the yellow river delta, since Quen is similar to similar to Chinese phonetics, and while cradle facilities brought diverse backgrouds, information was still chinese centirc in nature, such knowledge central and large infrastructural societies such as Qin or Xin dynasties
LOVE these videos so much! Thank you!
I would say that my favorite Quen are Alva and Seyka.
I was waiting for this one! Nice video
If the quen only could read info from the late 2040s to mid 2050s how did the ceo know that teds bunker would be in San Francisco?
I don't think they knew the location but somewhere in the logs it's said that Ted allegedly had a special connection to San Francisco more than anywhere else, they had a year to dig from there I guess. But of course, happy, convenient coincidences to move the plot forward 😂
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"Starlight Rise"
by The Flight
from Horizon Burning Shores
My guess is that in the next game we will sail accros the ocean and follow the quen
Sorta disturbed that the Tech CEOs of our present probably want to be revered as gods in the future like the Quen.
I like Aloy is basically Kratos from GOW, killing the Quen's Pantheon in one fell swoop in this game. Next up, we fight the devil themselves.
kinda dissapointed to not see the actual quen companion alva as the poster girl from the tribe on the picture, to be honest
Whats the name of the background music???
Sir, what is the quen’s governing system?
I think it’s legalism but you probably know the official philosophy
Frankly speaking.... the way you describe the Quen, it really does sound like China. With the devine mandate, and the fear that dissent causes instability. Along with the tight control of information (for its population)...
Great delta could describe many parts of Asia, anywhere between India, Bangladesh and into China, depending what they game designers do with the landscape.
there civilisation in literally the embodiment of the phrase "knowledge is power".
Fantastic summary as always, thank you! As outstanding as the lore and storytelling in Horizon is, the implications of Apollo's absence and the evolution of humanity aren't quite as logical. Even without Apollo, GAIA could have at least taught basic science. Why did she just leave the youngsters to their fate and not just leave Eleuthia open? They could have reconstructed the missing knowledge together with GAIA and the servitors. Why was she denied contact? Was it because of Ted? After all, the Focus were there, just not the knowledge.
The Quen are doing something that probably would have happened if Apollo had not been deleted. Knowledge is censored and withheld from the normal people in order to exercise power. But even with the Focus, the Quen are not much further along in their development than the rest of the tribes. I think after 700 years they should basically be further ahead considering that there is still so much left of the old world.
Trying to responde to your text chronologically.
As you said yourself Gaia wasn't allowed to initiate contact with humans. She can not act against her programming. Therefore, she couldn't have helped the tribal humans along.
Why was she programmed that way? Probably to ease the new humans into the world. Have them learn with Apollo and understand the world first. Then, meet Gaia on their own terms once they're ready. Since learning with Apollo never happened they were left to their own devices.
Though, admittedly I wouldn't put it past Ted to rig something up so Gaia couldn't intervene leaving himself the only source of knowledge.
I'm not so sure about censorship. How would you go about censoring Gaias database? Or access to it if literally everybody has a focus (as was planned for the cradles)?
And finally the Quen, if a society decides to restrict education and research to a few dozen people in the entire empire I'd say they are bound to progress at a snails pace no matter how much data those few have access to.
Those are all some compelling questions, and unfortunately not much is known concerning the time humans were first released from cradle facilities... This may have been a remnant of a system where Apollo wasn't wiped, and humans were intended to take control of certain aspects of ZD systems for themselves. A fail-safe to ensure GAIA wouldn't have the power to influence humanities to heavily. Obviously though, this is all speculation.
One thing really bugs me - why do Quen (Seika in particular) also call Horus "the Metal Devil"?
It really clashes with their role as tech-savvy tribe, that must know things about the Faro robots (even if not about the Plague per se). And even if they don't know about it, how is their term is the exact same as the one used by technology-denying Nora?
I would really appreciate your take.
Same here (across all tribes for me)
But it even says in game that the focuses the quen had access to was outdated and could not interpret data after a certain year.
which I believe was before Faro started making robots for war use because the quen never knew elisabet left because of that reason
At the point that Seyka says that, hadn't Aloy already update her focus? That way he probably had access to general Data collected by Aloy/Gaia from all the other tribes and sources.
But at the end of the day, as much as we try to find explanations, this game is not free of some plot holes or oversights, and that could be just it 😅
@@voidgods plot hole comment-completely agree
but I don’t think Seyka was really digging through any data that she would’ve considered not important to the reason why she put it on in the first place
also it’s highly possible no diviner but Alva would even know it’s called that. Alva might only know because of Aloy sharing the data she got from the first game🤷🏻♀️
But like stated above it’s a plot hole that they all came up with the same name for it anyway so I’ll accept some of it at face value 🤣🤣🤣
I'll add, just for the convenience of storytelling, characters need to use the same proper nouns for stuff just to make it easier for players to follow along. For example, people who are living oceans apart would probably have different names for a pot. But they'll refer to it as a pot for the purpose of cutting down extra writing. It's a kind of narrative hand-waviness we go along with often in other franchises (like star wars).
@@Rumkeez very true I would love to see something like that in game though just because it would be pretty cool, although i will happily say it would probably become pretty tedious after awhile
There's so much female empowerment (a good thing!) and lesbian symbolism (also a good thing 👍) that Im a little surprised they didnt just go ahead and call them The Queef, instead of the Quen 😂 . LOL. I still read it that way when I was playing the game anyway and it made me giggle out loud 😄
Its kind of a glaring error that language never seems to be a barrier of any consequence at any point. They can understand English a millennia in the future, have split into separate tribes long enough ago to have distinct cultures, but everyone still speaks English and English only.
Alva leaves a data point in the living area of the hq explaining her theory on language
@@RezonShinryu oh, well that would be my oversight.
@@Amadeus451 The first generation in all cradles was raised with English as the default language following the purge of Apollo.
Also the devs have acknowledged in an interview that different tribes would have developed different versions of English over the centuries. However, to spare the player from having to read subtitles all the time they decided to only reference this by tribe specific figures of speech.
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From the start i vaguely assumed that the Birthing facility was in China but you just fucked me up.
I dislike the implications that the Quen originated from Africa.
The "Great delta" is likely the yellow river great delta, in China. It would be a significantly shorter trip to US (a lot more plausible that they would survive) and also would make sense that the Leviathan project was meant for it, a river that is already polluted on today's standards. And the creators of the Leviathan project had Asian names so it all lines up well for it being China.
But if it was Africa, what's the problem? Just out of curiosity 😅
@@voidgodsif it was Africa, it would make more sense for them to cross the Atlantic Ocean and they would probably end up in Soutb America, or in the United States east coast. If they were of African origin, especially Northern Africa, they would likely have a darker skin tone due to the stronger UV rays in that region
I dunno man; Columbus came too early with this one.
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I’m assuming the comment that got blocked had something to do with Scion cousin loving?
@@addisonwelsh Nope!
That's the neat part; I can't tell why.
Anyways:
In short, I didn't mention why Stiyl and Kanzaki are going to appear with Accelerator and Index.
The reason is simple;
Accelerator is likely to declare war on the Anglican Church, for reasons including Index.
@@alyseleem2692 Yep, that’s the Accelerator we all know and love!
Also, an interesting note about Ganbataar and Tyra. She has so far refused his advances, but he is undaunted, swearing that he shall one day “conquer the unconquerable.”
However, if you remember way back to when I introduced Tyra, I said she shared her father’s love of battle, drinking… and women.
She’s not unconquerable, Ganbataar just doesn’t have the correct equipment.
@@addisonwelsh Not. I was busy. Delete this one for space.
And indeed, he is. Of course, while agreeing with his reasoning, Kanzaki and Stiyl remain worried about his method of..dealing with problems, as well as the conseqeunces of the course he's choosing. That said, they're all here for Index, first and foremost, and on that, they may agree.
Here lies the birth of the Accelerator Faction!
@@alyseleem2692 Hooray!
And I am officially out of Warhammer AUs. Not sure if I have much else to talk about at the moment, other than my research into the Battletech franchise, or some antics that occurred in a recent Space Engineers game.
Interesting how modern corporations are often influenced by works such as "The Art of War" and empirical ideas of "conquest", and how the Quen were thus recreating Empire. Empires influencing companies influencing future empires.
Aloy got a girlfriend now 👍
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and its her carbon copy
I really hope that they decide to course correct and not make the third game based around the Quen.... in fact I would be most happy if they weren't included at all. They were the most boring doll an uninspiring tribe of all of them. There were many women in many of the tribes that were of the lgbtq whatever the hell it is now community.... if they wanted her to hook up with a chick and have a sidekick they could have picked a female from any one of the other tribes. The way that the Quinn acted was akin to the way that Frey was in forspoken.... in fact almost every single one of the tribe members reminded me of her.. the entire tribe was unlikable in every way shape or form... Seka was just wasteful garbage inclusion that really didn't have anything in her background worth listening to or even exploring.... Alva has to be the most obnoxious character in the entire series thus far. I am very much looking forward to the third installment however I am not looking forward to needing to partake in anything more with this particular tribe hopefully they vanish Into Obscurity