The same NIMH battery came from amazon today, Awanfi 7.2 V 3600 MAH. And I also put it in DT-02. Only me is not MS version but Sand Viper. It's been over 10 years now. Today, my little boy is playing with him. :)
Yeah, it's a cool affordable battery that fits in most Tamiya battery compartments. Love the Sand Viper (same body as this, different decals). Usually I actually run this MS with a blue Sand Viper/Figher Buggy SV body. Great fun. Looking forward to the day when my boy get's big enough to control my DT-02s and DT-03s. Gonna be a blast playing and driving with him :-) Have fun with your DT-02, Kertész, and thanks a lot for watching!
The biggest difference you will see is the consistency in the punch. LiPos are much better providing the same punch longer before dropping off. The .2v difference won't make a big difference in a light car like this. Now try this same test in like an Outcast/Notorious and you'll see and feel the difference lol. Great test and video Simon Mikael!
Yeah, definitely, I also mentioned the same in the description box and video. Punch is one thing that is very clear, but it could be fun doing this again and then testing the top speed after 10-15 minutes of run time with all packs. Bet the difference in top speed for the NiMHs and LiPos by then would be much more than a couple of kph, more like enormous. After reading Armin's comment though, I wish I had tried this test with another model, with a larger ESC, amp-wise. Maybe also a heavier car, though I haven't got any the size of the Outcast;-) Could be fun re-doing it some time though with a different model and different ESC :-) Thanks a lot for watching and commenting, Omar.
Thanks, buddy. Yeah, it is one of my oldest NiMHs and a lot of other NiMHs has come and gone in it’s life time. I also got another one that has lasted even longer. Others only last a season. NiMHs are a mystery to me ☺️ Looking forward to that edit with the Li-Ion and LiPo. Could be really interesting. Thanks for watching.
Great comparison Mikael. Like a lot of people I was expecting more of a difference. Glad you pinned Amin's comment as I was wondering what the C number meant. Also loved the bit with your son and his fantastic bike at the end. Hope you paid him well for his appearance lol. Think I will stick to NiMH myself.
Thanks, Rob! Yeah, for the first minute a freshly charged good 6S NiMH is definitely not much slower in top speed than a 2S LiPo. More punch with the LiPo though, and after the first minute, the NiMH starts to drop dramatically compared to the LiPo. But yeah, there's really a lot of bonus' too with the NimH: safety and no-hazzle-charging. I use both. He he, my boy got a hug and a kiss for his spontaneous appearance :-)
Well, I'm pleased you made this video, Mikael! Very interesting, as you say, not 100% scientific, but a great indicator, all the same! Good points raised by Armin, too - thanks for pinning. As we thought, there is a little difference, but not massive, the LiPo's strength seems to lie more in it's consistency of power delivery and "punch", plus extended run-times. That is a lot of plus-points to the LiPo! I may be convinced to give LiPo a chance in the near future - thanks for posting such a good video - especially with the bonus of dad and son having fun at the end - made me smile - 1, 2, 3, 4, STOP!!! :)))
Yeah, I promised you I think :-) And I would say very very far from 100% scientific and more like 0% scientific :-) But yes, a good indicator. And yes, as we talked about before, you and I, there are little differences between different NiMHs and little differences between different LiPOs, and little differences between NiMH and LiPo, and most importantly, the differences are small. Way smaller than some people think. Next up should be testing NiMHs that have been lyhing around for dahys since the last full charge. The differences to a freshly charged LiPo would be larger then. And it could be fun running a NiMH for 10 minutes and a LiPo for 10 minutes, and again the differences would be larger. But well, there are also a lot of plus-points to the NiMH. If one needs some more weight (like in a Grasshopper) it provides that. And if one suddenly gets an unexpected oppurtunity to go RCing, to get the NiMH fully charged takes a few minutes, where as a LiPo in storage mode can take a lot longer (if properly balance charged). And then there is the real benefit: Safety :-) Can't beat a NiMH in that apartment. But yes, the effiency of a LiPo when running surpasses the NiMH very much. But I think I will continue using both LiPos and NiMHs, for different reasons and different purposes. Thanks a lot for watching , Mark! And yes, my son was very proud having learned to count 1-2-3-4 in English. So there was a bit of discrepancy of what was supposed to happen, run time or stop and count in all the time. But fun nontheless :-) Always fun going RCing with my son. You know the feeling :-)
@@NordicRC I sure do know the feeling! Great! Nice points you make about the different batteries, I certainly agree on the safety points of the NiMh - always important to consider. It is interesting that this little video has produced so much interest - so it's not just you and me after all! Good feeling! Have a nice night Mikael! :-)
Yeah, a little interest. A few different perspectives about what this video is about too, even though I feel it's very clear what this video shows and what the title reads :-) Maybe one should have followed our discussion about GPS Speed Tests and batteries to fully understand what this is all about, he he. Well, at least you and some others got it right and also didnøt take it too seriously. Hope it also can serve as a helpful tool for all those others using NiMHS, that comes across this video in the future, that they know they can safely continue using their 6S NiMHs for their GPS speed tests, and not get readings far off from what they could get with standard 2S LiPos :-)
No, not in the first minute at least. After that the difference increases, since the voltage drop on the NiMHs are much quicker. Yeah, RCing with the family is the best ☺️ Thanks a lot for watching, Pablo!
I think the gps has earned its own video lol ive seen it take so much punishment i cant believe it still work's sweet buggie your videos are really makeing me want a tamyia🚙👍👍
He he, I’ve actually thought about that. Making a video montage of all the tumbles that GPS has seen through out the past year. Would demand a lot though, editing wise, going through the old videos and finding the shots, but could be worth it ☺️ Yeah, love my Tamiyas. Not the best performers or the most durable, but in terms of aesthetic it is the best (for me) 😍
First of all that buggy is Awesome, great comparison video, love this type of vid, nice family fun at the end, great all round video my friend ,thanks for sharing 👍😊👍
Very interesting vid my friend and a very good job.The lipo batteries are a very good invention but the old NiMHs are still pretty good and so durable.Thanks for sharing !!!!!
Thanks, my friend. Yeah, lot's of good things about the NiMHs still. The best thing, for me, is the safety reasons and that one doesn't have to bother with storage mode and slow balance charging. Some of my NiMHs are very durable. Some only last a season or two for unknow reasons to me. The old one in this video has survived many other NiMHs. And I even got a Ni-Cad battery pack that's +30 years old. Still works :-)
Interesting to see all these batteries perform. Lipo batteries are the way to go for more power and speed but the difference from Nickel metal to lipo is not a big difference. Great run.😎 👍
@thomas bell : Well.. Lipo batteries are still the way to go. Let me explain why. Nickel metal packs don't have the same consistently as a lipo. Lipo batteries depending on the charge rate, the battery will give you the same power til it reaches low voltage. Lipo batteries will last you alot more than a nickel metal battery(run time). And in the world of racing, I don't think you will like carrying alot of nickel metal batteries to run a couple of races. Lipo batteries can last you a couple of runs. Just one lipo battery. Modern times like today, a lipo battery has surpassed the nickel metal battery in power. Based on how many cells that lipo battery has, you can even jump start a real cars battery... That's just my opinion.✌
Nice comparison Mikael!! Nimh can run just as well as a Lipo for a short about of time. The advantage of the Lipo is consistently running at the same speed for much longer times.. By the way little man is so cute at the end. His English is very good :) The DTMS still looks beautiful bro, Wish I could find those 3racing towers but no one has any.. Hope you and the family are doing well bro enjoy your weekend :)
Yeah, that's the key point: "for a short amount of time". I think I will do another test some day, running a NiMH and a LiPo for 10-15 minutes and then measure the top speed. It will be a whole other story :-) But this time I just wanted to break the myth that a normal and freshly charged NiMH provides much less top speed than a normal and freshly charged LiPo (for the first minute or so at least). Yeah! In this video he is so proud having learned to count to 4 in English that he wants to stop the RC all the time just to count again. But it's a bit difficult to stop his Dad when his fingers are itching to hold down the throttle :-) The 3Racing towers are certainly available in the EU still (tamico.de/navi.php?a=7066&lang=eng) but the shipping and duty to the US will probably not be worth it. I am looking for the 3Racing DT-02 battery door, but that one seems to have vanished. Well, it's totally unnessacary (just like a lot of the stuff I mounted on my MS) but it could look good and would do no harm. It needs some more weight :-) Thanks, Chris, my good friend, hope you and your family are enjoying the weekend too :-)
.2v difference? This is probably exactly the result we should have expected: slightly more top speed KV of the motor is dictating the top speed....Revs/volts. The greater power density and therefor lighter weight of lithium (and possibly higher C rating too) will allow the cat to accelerate, turn, stop way better. It seems like you noticed that. Or we could run a way larger capacity lipo in the same space and drive longer.
Hi Mike! Yeah, the LiPos are much more effecient. More punch/acceleration, drops much slower in voltage (much more top speed even after several munutes of running) and weighs less. But yes, some people tend to believe they are much much faster which isn't really the case, compared to a freshly charged NiMH. Thanks a lot for watching and commenting, Mike.
Nordic Man, (sorry man, don't know your name)😁 Good and pertinent test that will serve to take some doubts to many people ... In fact it has been confirmed the obvious - it is normal that older batteries "deliver" less voltage, as well as lipo batteries have more torque than the rest; in fact it was an "old school" techinc guy that taught me that batteries have a torque, and that is different depending on the material they are made of ... Regarding the limiting factors I think that you have non in this case, once that your "set" -motor, esc, and others, must spend at the maximum (peak) 20/25 Amp; Since the lipo battery you have has 35 C (can discharge up to 35 Amp continuously) is still far from the 20/25 (of Peak of your set) Greetings from the south 😂 and keep up with your Good Work.
Hi Luis! Mikael here, but since I am a man from the Nordic Countries, Nordic Man is also accurate :-) Thanks a lot for watching and commenting. Yeah, much more punch with the LiPo. I am not sure what you mean with the 20/25 Amp. The way Armin, in this comment section, explained the limiting factor (being the 60A ESC) make sense to me so far, but I am trying to learn all the aspects. Might take a while before I get it right :-) Greetings from the North and thanks again.
Mikael, the 20/25 amps. I mencioned is (probably the max amperage that your car shoul consume in "most harder use" let's call it like tha) it's Very difficult to measure because there are many variables like the traction on the road and eventual loses from the car electric system, so by my "experience" your car, seted up like i see should have a peak comsuption of 20/25 Amps.; if the Discharge Rate (C) of the battery is 35 (that means that battery can delivery 35 Amps. Continuasly ) you are ok because all that amperage that the car needs (let's say 25 Amps. stucked in a Hill with all traction wheels blocked)- for exemple 😂, the battery will provide him those 25 Amps. because she can provide even more - 35 amps (more 10 Amps. That the car will "call")😉 It was also harder to me in the "beginig" to understand this stuffs but, with practice, you will go there. Just one thing: Imagine the C rate was 15Amp.... the car woul ride slowlly and the lipo baterrie was going to be on efford, and if you insisted, she probably would burn out ( the car was asking for 25 kg of meat and the butcher could only delivery 15 kg And working till he was diing to delevery what he didn't have capacity) Sorry Mikael for the analogie 😁
Ahh yes, I already understand the basics (love your analogie) but it's just difficult for me to see how one can determine how many amps the car is asking for. Like 20/25 amps. For me, if I haven't measured it, can't see the numbers, it's difficult to understand. Well, I have seen people try to run 10C LiPos in their 1/10 cars, and I have seen the proof of how those LiPos looks like afterwards if one demands to many amps of it, but those are extreme cases. But it makes a lot of sense though, 20/25A, with this little light-weighted buggy with a low gearing, ball bearings, and the smooth surface. The gearing should wind out before it could even start asking for more amps.
Mikael and i said 20/25 of peak, beacause in normal use it's lower. Yes indeed, os hard to measure; i'm making a Toy Grade project and i'm making all the sets for batteries and other components and i asked an old friend to the comsuption value... well the last time i saw the car it was linked to the 3 voltimeters and the guy was marketing the throtlle with all wheels blocked, lights on and so ever... well... I left the room with afraid of seeing my electronics burnig 1😂 But there is other factor in lipo baterries... but i'm not going to talk about it now.... too much info for you today...😂😉 Keep on posting and if you have FB or mail send me one (Luis.simoes.911@gmail.com) Better to "explain" some stuffs than TH-cam. Kind regards, South Man 😉
Thanks, South Man :-) I am seldom on facebook and I only use mails for business/job. I'm on youtube to have fun and have interesting conversations with other fellow hobbyists. I mean no disrepect, but I most likely I would forget to answer on facebook because I am seldom there and most likely I would have no time to reply on mail, because most often I only log on to mail accounts to as fast as possible to take care of more colorless stuff in work time :-)
Good Test Mikael!! 👍👍 People will still be buying NiMH Batteries for quite some time.... I only finally switched to Lipo this past Summer. To be Fair.... Lipos really shine over NiMHs, when you make them REALLY work. Try a Test comparison, using a Low Turn Brushed or High KV Motor, in a *Heavier* and/or Faster Vehicle.... The differences will be much more apparent. 😉 Happy Christmas! Carmine 💥 ⛽
This is about the same result as when I upgraded from 3000 mah 7 cell to 5000 mah 7 cell batteries. I saw a nice boost in acceleration/tourque and run time but speed was basically the same.
Yeah, even with more amps and c-rating the motor, ESC and gearing will mostly keep the top speed about the same untill one increases the voltage dramatically (like going from a 6S to a 7S NiMH or especially from a 2S LiPo to a 3S LiPo and so on)
Interesting test Mikael. I'd have expected a little more difference from the lipo's but like you say it's that instant response that really sets them apart. I was hoping for a bit more speed from the cleaning sponge. Maybe if you ran it without the added weight of that battery it would do better! Also enjoyed the bit at the end with your lad on the bike giving commands directly to the car and the car amazingly understanding what he was saying! AI these days is astonishing. Did you attach the GPS unit to your boy? I reckon maybe 5mph ! Nice vid mate :-)
Thanks a lot Pete! Yeah, the punch is so different and then the retained voltage peak power. If I had done this test after 10 minutes of run time, the NiMHs would have suffered badly in top speed. But for the occasional speed run with fresh batteries, there's really near to no difference in the first minute of run time when it comes to top speed (acceleration is a whole other thing). Ha ha, yeah, I've actually tried with only the sponge but somehow it didn't seem to work out and the top speed was measured to 0 kph :-) Ohh, that could actually be cool, to measure my boy's top speed. Maybe a comparison video, running vs biking. And I do love when he starts to engage in talks with my RCs. Sometimes he forgets all about me, and start a role playing with the RC. Such lovely days. Lately we've been running the small WPL trucks together. He's getting quite good at controlling the two channels now at the same time now :-)
@@NordicRC Ah it's great to see that you are bringing up an RC fan for the next generation. Nice to have father and son time. Hopefully he won't get fed up with it and turn to spending all day on an Xbox! Yes like you say the nimh batteries are pretty good to start with but they do fade quite quickly. On the plus side I've never had an nimh battery burn down my house so there are pros and cons to both! Definitely do the speed test on your boy and maybe compare him with other children :-)
Yeah, the safety issue is a big plus. Hope you are doing alright, Pete. He he, if my boy get's an Xbox he will have restricted time to use it :-) Could be fun to test his speed. I bet he's already a lot faster than those kids that are allowed to spend their entire days on the Xbox :-)
@@NordicRC Yeah not so bad thanks. Can't remember if I told you before but I have a plan to convert my garage into a hobby room for me. It's a good idea I think but the downside is that it will take several weeks and in the meantime I haven't really got anywhere to build kits other than the dining room table. My wife has taken over my old hobby room for her studies. I'm currently at the stage of clearing 20 years of stuff out of the garage! Be nice when it's done I'm sure. Yes, I'm sure that you'll not let your lad become a couch potato. Have good weekend Mikael :-)
Hope you’re having a great weekend too, Pete. Yes, I remember the plans about the garage. But I can imagine it will be a lot of work. But well worth it, to get a proper hobby room. You gotta show the finished result on your channel once it is done. Hope you’re able to heat it properly here when we are facing winter.
Uhh, I wouldn’t know. Usually you can always see what the motor and ESC is rated for. 2S, 3S and so on. Gearing/gear ratio has a lot to say too. The higher the gear ratio the higher stress on the battery/ES/Motor
Very interesting comparison. Thank you. The esc was able to use both nimh and lipos without any changes? I suppose its only interested in volts not where they come from? So I would just need a low voltage alarm to protect lipos and could use the same esc?
Thank you, Liam! Yeah, a lot of guys, including me, are running the Tamiya standard ESC’s with a LiPo. Of course I can’t recommend it, since the official Tamiya limit is 7.2v. So you break the warranty by doing it and risking the ESC. But they are high quality 60A ESC’s so in my book the ESC’s don’t care if they get 7.2v or 7.4v (and in reality a fully charged NiMH 6S is above 9v - although it drops below 9v very quickly - compared to a fully charged LiPo 2S at 8.4v). The benefit of the LiPo is (the ‘punch’ and ...) that it keeps the voltage higher for a longer time, while the NiMH quickly drops. If this test was done 10 minutes into run time, the LiPo would have a much higher top speed. But yes, it’s crucial to remember the external LiPo alarm/checker when running Tamiya ESC’s.
I have no idea since I do not know your ESC/Motor :-) But when it comes to several of my "rated to max. 7.2v" ESC's, I have never had a problem using 7.4v LiPo's. But I check the temp of the motor/ESC when running with a LiPo with a specified 7.2v max. rating. The LiPo gives more punch, and keeps the voltage better, so there is always a risk. Best advice: Check the specifications of your Himoto, and then decide if you want to take the risk or not.
That's a beautiful buggy, how quick a motor do you think you can put it before it would become hard to manage? I made the mistake with one car and it does double backflips.
Hi Wolfgang. I am editing the first run of a new Sand Viper as we speak. It has an 8T motor. You will lose a lot of traction/steering in the front with these light small buggies, and you will have to go easy on the throttle/acceleration but when that is said it is quite fun 🙂
Hi bro! Maybe? :-) ... but my intention was actually just to avoid it sliding around in the battery compartment, if I remember the video/day/run correctly
Ha ha , yeah. We have had a lot of fun with the Tamiya Monster Beetle this summer, but mostly I run slower toy-grade RCs together with the son. He has a lot of RCs himself, and among these a Maisto Rock Crawler he is very proud of. But he has just learned to control 2 channels (steering/throttle) at the same time this year (he is 3 years old) so I think he is soon ready for his own hobby grade RCs. He loves the 1/10 Monster Trucks so I think I will have to get him one soon :-) But a slower one to start with.
Yeah, definitely the Monster Trucks and especially the classic pick-up-truck-styled Monsters. If I had an RC excavator that would probably be his favorite. I don't know where he get's it from. He's born in the City and a real city boy. But I guess all those big machines just are like magnets to boys :-)
Thanks a lot for the Nice feedback, Ryan! Yeah, it was fun testing. He he, yeah, the dad would like to run his RC and the son would like to practice his English. He had just learned to count 1-4 in English 😄
@@NordicRC you have heart and compassion even after a hole year you are still thank full for the people that appreciate you that is why WE appreciate you back keep up the good work PS-sorry if my enligsh is bad i'm from Norway
Yeah! Think a 3S (or more) could produce some more RPM’s and push it higher but yes, with this gearing both a 6S NiMH and 2S LiPo meets the limit quite fast. But the LiPo definitly has more punch/acceleration.
LOL Stop Dad stop :-) These is not a lot of difference between Lipo/Nimh all down to the peak power lasts longer on Lipo. Just shows a combination of motor/ gearing for speed difference.
Ha ha, yeah, it was one of those times where the dad wanted to throttle down and the son wanted to practice his English. He had just learned to count 1-4 in English 😄 And yeah, LiPos aren’t faster. Just more efficient in many ways ☺️
Yeah, as I wrote in the description box any good, healthy NiMH charges to +9v. The problem is that it usually drops quickly just after the charge, so even if one charges it the same day as the run, when reaching the run location it has dropped below 9v again. But as seen in this video it can actually do just as good as a freshly charged LiPo. After a couple of minutes of run time it drops even lower though, compared to the LiPo which stays at a higher voltage for much longer.
@@NordicRC Hello again! I just wonder, why the DT 02 is just 12 kmh faster than a DT 03 (same gearbox, just 19 t pinion). That's a little bit... Strange.
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I wish batteries cost the same as sponges !. The end warmed my heart : )
Ha ha, or even better, if one could run RCs with cleaning sponges ☺️ Thanks for watching, Derek!
And yes, RC fun with the family is the best RC fun. The videos with your grandchildren has warmed my heart too every time :-)
I been out of the game for quite some time ..what is a good brand to purchase now a days?
The same NIMH battery came from amazon today, Awanfi 7.2 V 3600 MAH.
And I also put it in DT-02. Only me is not MS version but Sand Viper.
It's been over 10 years now. Today, my little boy is playing with him. :)
Yeah, it's a cool affordable battery that fits in most Tamiya battery compartments. Love the Sand Viper (same body as this, different decals). Usually I actually run this MS with a blue Sand Viper/Figher Buggy SV body. Great fun. Looking forward to the day when my boy get's big enough to control my DT-02s and DT-03s. Gonna be a blast playing and driving with him :-) Have fun with your DT-02, Kertész, and thanks a lot for watching!
The biggest difference you will see is the consistency in the punch. LiPos are much better providing the same punch longer before dropping off. The .2v difference won't make a big difference in a light car like this. Now try this same test in like an Outcast/Notorious and you'll see and feel the difference lol. Great test and video Simon Mikael!
Yeah, definitely, I also mentioned the same in the description box and video. Punch is one thing that is very clear, but it could be fun doing this again and then testing the top speed after 10-15 minutes of run time with all packs. Bet the difference in top speed for the NiMHs and LiPos by then would be much more than a couple of kph, more like enormous. After reading Armin's comment though, I wish I had tried this test with another model, with a larger ESC, amp-wise. Maybe also a heavier car, though I haven't got any the size of the Outcast;-) Could be fun re-doing it some time though with a different model and different ESC :-) Thanks a lot for watching and commenting, Omar.
Nice runs, surprised the old NiMH had some power still in it! I've got a Lipo vs Li-ion video that I keep meaning to edit (using that same Awanfi)
Thanks, buddy. Yeah, it is one of my oldest NiMHs and a lot of other NiMHs has come and gone in it’s life time. I also got another one that has lasted even longer. Others only last a season. NiMHs are a mystery to me ☺️ Looking forward to that edit with the Li-Ion and LiPo. Could be really interesting. Thanks for watching.
Great comparison Mikael. Like a lot of people I was expecting more of a difference. Glad you pinned Amin's comment as I was wondering what the C number meant. Also loved the bit with your son and his fantastic bike at the end. Hope you paid him well for his appearance lol. Think I will stick to NiMH myself.
Thanks, Rob! Yeah, for the first minute a freshly charged good 6S NiMH is definitely not much slower in top speed than a 2S LiPo. More punch with the LiPo though, and after the first minute, the NiMH starts to drop dramatically compared to the LiPo. But yeah, there's really a lot of bonus' too with the NimH: safety and no-hazzle-charging. I use both. He he, my boy got a hug and a kiss for his spontaneous appearance :-)
Only just found your channel. So glade l did. FANTASTIC review/test of different batteries. Thanks for uploading.
Hi Matt! Thank you so much! I love making these videos and sharing here 🙂
@@NordicRC can you please tell me the name of the GPS speed unit you used. I'd like to get 1
Isn’t it in the description box? It’s the SkyRC GSM.
Well, I'm pleased you made this video, Mikael! Very interesting, as you say, not 100% scientific, but a great indicator, all the same! Good points raised by Armin, too - thanks for pinning. As we thought, there is a little difference, but not massive, the LiPo's strength seems to lie more in it's consistency of power delivery and "punch", plus extended run-times. That is a lot of plus-points to the LiPo! I may be convinced to give LiPo a chance in the near future - thanks for posting such a good video - especially with the bonus of dad and son having fun at the end - made me smile - 1, 2, 3, 4, STOP!!! :)))
Yeah, I promised you I think :-) And I would say very very far from 100% scientific and more like 0% scientific :-) But yes, a good indicator. And yes, as we talked about before, you and I, there are little differences between different NiMHs and little differences between different LiPOs, and little differences between NiMH and LiPo, and most importantly, the differences are small. Way smaller than some people think. Next up should be testing NiMHs that have been lyhing around for dahys since the last full charge. The differences to a freshly charged LiPo would be larger then. And it could be fun running a NiMH for 10 minutes and a LiPo for 10 minutes, and again the differences would be larger. But well, there are also a lot of plus-points to the NiMH. If one needs some more weight (like in a Grasshopper) it provides that. And if one suddenly gets an unexpected oppurtunity to go RCing, to get the NiMH fully charged takes a few minutes, where as a LiPo in storage mode can take a lot longer (if properly balance charged). And then there is the real benefit: Safety :-) Can't beat a NiMH in that apartment. But yes, the effiency of a LiPo when running surpasses the NiMH very much. But I think I will continue using both LiPos and NiMHs, for different reasons and different purposes. Thanks a lot for watching , Mark! And yes, my son was very proud having learned to count 1-2-3-4 in English. So there was a bit of discrepancy of what was supposed to happen, run time or stop and count in all the time. But fun nontheless :-) Always fun going RCing with my son. You know the feeling :-)
@@NordicRC I sure do know the feeling! Great! Nice points you make about the different batteries, I certainly agree on the safety points of the NiMh - always important to consider. It is interesting that this little video has produced so much interest - so it's not just you and me after all! Good feeling! Have a nice night Mikael! :-)
Yeah, a little interest. A few different perspectives about what this video is about too, even though I feel it's very clear what this video shows and what the title reads :-) Maybe one should have followed our discussion about GPS Speed Tests and batteries to fully understand what this is all about, he he. Well, at least you and some others got it right and also didnøt take it too seriously. Hope it also can serve as a helpful tool for all those others using NiMHS, that comes across this video in the future, that they know they can safely continue using their 6S NiMHs for their GPS speed tests, and not get readings far off from what they could get with standard 2S LiPos :-)
That was actually very helpful. Thanks for putting that together. Clear editing too. Thanks.
Bdub Q Thank you for the kind feedback. Really glad it was useful.
That was quite interesting. Not as much difference as I thought there would be. The end was cute!
No, not in the first minute at least. After that the difference increases, since the voltage drop on the NiMHs are much quicker. Yeah, RCing with the family is the best ☺️ Thanks a lot for watching, Pablo!
That buggy is pretty fast! 👍👍👍👍
Yeah, a bit too fast for such a small light 2WD buggy with a lot of understeer. Less speed could do it :-)
I think the gps has earned its own video lol ive seen it take so much punishment i cant believe it still work's sweet buggie your videos are really makeing me want a tamyia🚙👍👍
He he, I’ve actually thought about that. Making a video montage of all the tumbles that GPS has seen through out the past year. Would demand a lot though, editing wise, going through the old videos and finding the shots, but could be worth it ☺️ Yeah, love my Tamiyas. Not the best performers or the most durable, but in terms of aesthetic it is the best (for me) 😍
First of all that buggy is Awesome, great comparison video, love this type of vid, nice family fun at the end, great all round video my friend ,thanks for sharing 👍😊👍
Thanks a lot, Tony! Yeah, RCing with family is the most important for me ☺️
@@NordicRC I agree brother 😁
What a beautiful fall day!
Yes it was! Thanks for watching, bro!
Very interesting vid my friend and a very good job.The lipo batteries are a very good invention but the old NiMHs are still pretty good and so durable.Thanks for sharing !!!!!
Thanks, my friend. Yeah, lot's of good things about the NiMHs still. The best thing, for me, is the safety reasons and that one doesn't have to bother with storage mode and slow balance charging. Some of my NiMHs are very durable. Some only last a season or two for unknow reasons to me. The old one in this video has survived many other NiMHs. And I even got a Ni-Cad battery pack that's +30 years old. Still works :-)
Interesting to see all these batteries perform. Lipo batteries are the way to go for more power and speed but the difference from Nickel metal to lipo is not a big difference. Great run.😎 👍
Thanks and thanks for watching, bro. Yeah, in the first couple of minutes of run time NiMH provides almost the same top speed as LiPo.
@thomas bell : Well.. Lipo batteries are still the way to go. Let me explain why. Nickel metal packs don't have the same consistently as a lipo. Lipo batteries depending on the charge rate, the battery will give you the same power til it reaches low voltage. Lipo batteries will last you alot more than a nickel metal battery(run time). And in the world of racing, I don't think you will like carrying alot of nickel metal batteries to run a couple of races. Lipo batteries can last you a couple of runs. Just one lipo battery. Modern times like today, a lipo battery has surpassed the nickel metal battery in power. Based on how many cells that lipo battery has, you can even jump start a real cars battery... That's just my opinion.✌
Nice comparison Mikael!! Nimh can run just as well as a Lipo for a short about of time. The advantage of the Lipo is consistently running at the same speed for much longer times.. By the way little man is so cute at the end. His English is very good :) The DTMS still looks beautiful bro, Wish I could find those 3racing towers but no one has any.. Hope you and the family are doing well bro enjoy your weekend :)
Yeah, that's the key point: "for a short amount of time". I think I will do another test some day, running a NiMH and a LiPo for 10-15 minutes and then measure the top speed. It will be a whole other story :-) But this time I just wanted to break the myth that a normal and freshly charged NiMH provides much less top speed than a normal and freshly charged LiPo (for the first minute or so at least). Yeah! In this video he is so proud having learned to count to 4 in English that he wants to stop the RC all the time just to count again. But it's a bit difficult to stop his Dad when his fingers are itching to hold down the throttle :-) The 3Racing towers are certainly available in the EU still (tamico.de/navi.php?a=7066&lang=eng) but the shipping and duty to the US will probably not be worth it. I am looking for the 3Racing DT-02 battery door, but that one seems to have vanished. Well, it's totally unnessacary (just like a lot of the stuff I mounted on my MS) but it could look good and would do no harm. It needs some more weight :-) Thanks, Chris, my good friend, hope you and your family are enjoying the weekend too :-)
.2v difference? This is probably exactly the result we should have expected: slightly more top speed KV of the motor is dictating the top speed....Revs/volts.
The greater power density and therefor lighter weight of lithium (and possibly higher C rating too) will allow the cat to accelerate, turn, stop way better. It seems like you noticed that.
Or we could run a way larger capacity lipo in the same space and drive longer.
Hi Mike! Yeah, the LiPos are much more effecient. More punch/acceleration, drops much slower in voltage (much more top speed even after several munutes of running) and weighs less. But yes, some people tend to believe they are much much faster which isn't really the case, compared to a freshly charged NiMH. Thanks a lot for watching and commenting, Mike.
Nordic Man, (sorry man, don't know your name)😁
Good and pertinent test that will serve to take some doubts to many people ...
In fact it has been confirmed the obvious - it is normal that older batteries "deliver" less voltage, as well as lipo batteries have more torque than the rest; in fact it was an "old school" techinc guy that taught me that batteries have a torque, and that is different depending on the material they are made of ...
Regarding the limiting factors I think that you have non in this case, once that your "set" -motor, esc, and others, must spend at the maximum (peak) 20/25 Amp;
Since the lipo battery you have has 35 C (can discharge up to 35 Amp continuously) is still far from the 20/25 (of Peak of your set)
Greetings from the south 😂 and keep up with your Good Work.
Hi Luis! Mikael here, but since I am a man from the Nordic Countries, Nordic Man is also accurate :-) Thanks a lot for watching and commenting. Yeah, much more punch with the LiPo. I am not sure what you mean with the 20/25 Amp. The way Armin, in this comment section, explained the limiting factor (being the 60A ESC) make sense to me so far, but I am trying to learn all the aspects. Might take a while before I get it right :-) Greetings from the North and thanks again.
Mikael, the 20/25 amps. I mencioned is (probably the max amperage that your car shoul consume in "most harder use" let's call it like tha) it's Very difficult to measure because there are many variables like the traction on the road and eventual loses from the car electric system, so by my "experience" your car, seted up like i see should have a peak comsuption of 20/25 Amps.; if the Discharge Rate (C) of the battery is 35 (that means that battery can delivery 35 Amps. Continuasly ) you are ok because all that amperage that the car needs (let's say 25 Amps. stucked in a Hill with all traction wheels blocked)- for exemple 😂, the battery will provide him those 25 Amps. because she can provide even more - 35 amps (more 10 Amps. That the car will "call")😉
It was also harder to me in the "beginig" to understand this stuffs but, with practice, you will go there.
Just one thing:
Imagine the C rate was 15Amp.... the car woul ride slowlly and the lipo baterrie was going to be on efford, and if you insisted, she probably would burn out ( the car was asking for 25 kg of meat and the butcher could only delivery 15 kg And working till he was diing to delevery what he didn't have capacity)
Sorry Mikael for the analogie 😁
Ahh yes, I already understand the basics (love your analogie) but it's just difficult for me to see how one can determine how many amps the car is asking for. Like 20/25 amps. For me, if I haven't measured it, can't see the numbers, it's difficult to understand. Well, I have seen people try to run 10C LiPos in their 1/10 cars, and I have seen the proof of how those LiPos looks like afterwards if one demands to many amps of it, but those are extreme cases. But it makes a lot of sense though, 20/25A, with this little light-weighted buggy with a low gearing, ball bearings, and the smooth surface. The gearing should wind out before it could even start asking for more amps.
Mikael and i said 20/25 of peak, beacause in normal use it's lower.
Yes indeed, os hard to measure; i'm making a Toy Grade project and i'm making all the sets for batteries and other components and i asked an old friend to the comsuption value... well the last time i saw the car it was linked to the 3 voltimeters and the guy was marketing the throtlle with all wheels blocked, lights on and so ever... well... I left the room with afraid of seeing my electronics burnig 1😂
But there is other factor in lipo baterries... but i'm not going to talk about it now.... too much info for you today...😂😉
Keep on posting and if you have FB or mail send me one (Luis.simoes.911@gmail.com)
Better to "explain" some stuffs than TH-cam.
Kind regards,
South Man 😉
Thanks, South Man :-) I am seldom on facebook and I only use mails for business/job. I'm on youtube to have fun and have interesting conversations with other fellow hobbyists. I mean no disrepect, but I most likely I would forget to answer on facebook because I am seldom there and most likely I would have no time to reply on mail, because most often I only log on to mail accounts to as fast as possible to take care of more colorless stuff in work time :-)
thank you for confirming what I thought.. really appreciate it though.. good test
Thanks for watching, Jason!
Great comparison, thx for sharing the info, love the rig too 👍😎
Thanks, Steve! Yeah, the MS is a nice little buggy. Love it :-)
Nice tamiya buggy y liked the style of buggy and good run good video. 😎👍
Thanks a lot, Marcos! Good to hear from you!
Great video. I love that little buggy, so cool.
Me too 😀 Such a cool little thing. Love the small DT-02 and DT-03’s from Tamiya.
Good Test Mikael!! 👍👍
People will still be buying NiMH Batteries for quite some time.... I only finally switched to Lipo this past Summer.
To be Fair.... Lipos really shine over NiMHs, when you make them REALLY work.
Try a Test comparison, using a Low Turn Brushed or High KV Motor, in a *Heavier* and/or Faster Vehicle.... The differences will be much more apparent. 😉
Happy Christmas! Carmine 💥 ⛽
Yeah, I agree :-) Thanks for watching.
I like the blue colour of your MS!
Me too ☺️ Thanks a lot for watching and commenting, Erik!
Amazing comparison 👍👍
Thanks, my friend!
This is about the same result as when I upgraded from 3000 mah 7 cell to 5000 mah 7 cell batteries. I saw a nice boost in acceleration/tourque and run time but speed was basically the same.
Yeah, even with more amps and c-rating the motor, ESC and gearing will mostly keep the top speed about the same untill one increases the voltage dramatically (like going from a 6S to a 7S NiMH or especially from a 2S LiPo to a 3S LiPo and so on)
@@NordicRC Yup! But that's only applicable to Brushless motors unfortunately. Brushed motors I think can only handle up to 2S.
@@RobertNES816 A lot of them have a max rating of 12v, so 3s is within spec.
Interesting video worth noing nice one
Thanks a lot for watching, Paul!
Interesting test Mikael. I'd have expected a little more difference from the lipo's but like you say it's that instant response that really sets them apart. I was hoping for a bit more speed from the cleaning sponge. Maybe if you ran it without the added weight of that battery it would do better! Also enjoyed the bit at the end with your lad on the bike giving commands directly to the car and the car amazingly understanding what he was saying! AI these days is astonishing. Did you attach the GPS unit to your boy? I reckon maybe 5mph ! Nice vid mate :-)
Thanks a lot Pete! Yeah, the punch is so different and then the retained voltage peak power. If I had done this test after 10 minutes of run time, the NiMHs would have suffered badly in top speed. But for the occasional speed run with fresh batteries, there's really near to no difference in the first minute of run time when it comes to top speed (acceleration is a whole other thing). Ha ha, yeah, I've actually tried with only the sponge but somehow it didn't seem to work out and the top speed was measured to 0 kph :-) Ohh, that could actually be cool, to measure my boy's top speed. Maybe a comparison video, running vs biking. And I do love when he starts to engage in talks with my RCs. Sometimes he forgets all about me, and start a role playing with the RC. Such lovely days. Lately we've been running the small WPL trucks together. He's getting quite good at controlling the two channels now at the same time now :-)
@@NordicRC Ah it's great to see that you are bringing up an RC fan for the next generation. Nice to have father and son time. Hopefully he won't get fed up with it and turn to spending all day on an Xbox! Yes like you say the nimh batteries are pretty good to start with but they do fade quite quickly. On the plus side I've never had an nimh battery burn down my house so there are pros and cons to both! Definitely do the speed test on your boy and maybe compare him with other children :-)
Yeah, the safety issue is a big plus. Hope you are doing alright, Pete. He he, if my boy get's an Xbox he will have restricted time to use it :-) Could be fun to test his speed. I bet he's already a lot faster than those kids that are allowed to spend their entire days on the Xbox :-)
@@NordicRC Yeah not so bad thanks. Can't remember if I told you before but I have a plan to convert my garage into a hobby room for me. It's a good idea I think but the downside is that it will take several weeks and in the meantime I haven't really got anywhere to build kits other than the dining room table. My wife has taken over my old hobby room for her studies. I'm currently at the stage of clearing 20 years of stuff out of the garage! Be nice when it's done I'm sure. Yes, I'm sure that you'll not let your lad become a couch potato. Have good weekend Mikael :-)
Hope you’re having a great weekend too, Pete. Yes, I remember the plans about the garage. But I can imagine it will be a lot of work. But well worth it, to get a proper hobby room. You gotta show the finished result on your channel once it is done. Hope you’re able to heat it properly here when we are facing winter.
what is a good battery for this setup not sure if you can fry the esc going to powerfull? etronix 2.1w esc and etronix 3450kv motor
Uhh, I wouldn’t know. Usually you can always see what the motor and ESC is rated for. 2S, 3S and so on. Gearing/gear ratio has a lot to say too. The higher the gear ratio the higher stress on the battery/ES/Motor
Very interesting comparison. Thank you. The esc was able to use both nimh and lipos without any changes? I suppose its only interested in volts not where they come from? So I would just need a low voltage alarm to protect lipos and could use the same esc?
Thank you, Liam! Yeah, a lot of guys, including me, are running the Tamiya standard ESC’s with a LiPo. Of course I can’t recommend it, since the official Tamiya limit is 7.2v. So you break the warranty by doing it and risking the ESC. But they are high quality 60A ESC’s so in my book the ESC’s don’t care if they get 7.2v or 7.4v (and in reality a fully charged NiMH 6S is above 9v - although it drops below 9v very quickly - compared to a fully charged LiPo 2S at 8.4v). The benefit of the LiPo is (the ‘punch’ and ...) that it keeps the voltage higher for a longer time, while the NiMH quickly drops. If this test was done 10 minutes into run time, the LiPo would have a much higher top speed. But yes, it’s crucial to remember the external LiPo alarm/checker when running Tamiya ESC’s.
Just keep an eye on the temp of the ESC’s in longer runs and in hot weather
@@NordicRC thank you. I've got an old M tronicks 350B 60A esc says its good for 4 to 10 cells that'll be nicads but still 12volts nominal.
Lipos can really make ur RC more Fun
Adds a little more punch yes
Great Video!! 🙂
Thank you, Tobias!
Can i also put a 7,4 v lipo battery in my himoto monstertruck 1:10???,
Now i have a 2000mah 7,2v tamiya
I have no idea since I do not know your ESC/Motor :-) But when it comes to several of my "rated to max. 7.2v" ESC's, I have never had a problem using 7.4v LiPo's. But I check the temp of the motor/ESC when running with a LiPo with a specified 7.2v max. rating. The LiPo gives more punch, and keeps the voltage better, so there is always a risk. Best advice: Check the specifications of your Himoto, and then decide if you want to take the risk or not.
That's a beautiful buggy, how quick a motor do you think you can put it before it would become hard to manage? I made the mistake with one car and it does double backflips.
Hi Wolfgang. I am editing the first run of a new Sand Viper as we speak. It has an 8T motor. You will lose a lot of traction/steering in the front with these light small buggies, and you will have to go easy on the throttle/acceleration but when that is said it is quite fun 🙂
Thanks that’s good to know. I would have figured 8T was probably too much. Looking at the neo fighter since I’m finishing up a re-re frog
Good video
Thank you, Jakub!
Does the sponge help with weight distribution by keeping the smaller battery in the front? 😂
Hi bro! Maybe? :-) ... but my intention was actually just to avoid it sliding around in the battery compartment, if I remember the video/day/run correctly
the smaller battery 1500mAh is doing good, smaller battery means lighter weight ... next time should test out LIPO 2s vs 3s, 7.4v vs 11.1v
Ahh yes, the small battery is doing good. Yeah, would be cool with a 2S vs 3S. Actually got something planned ☺️ ThNks a lot for watching, bro.
I would imagine at this scale the weight of each pack would be a pretty large variable.
Yeah, it might be a large variable when it comes to acceleration, but when the car is up to top speed not so much I think. I could be wrong.
hello, can i use nimh battery instead of lipo s2 in my wltoys 144001? Or do i need to do some modifications?
LiPo cut-off of the ESC could be a problem. But try it.
@@NordicRC hi, what do you mean exactly? I tried it out and runs great!
yeah goodd video bro
Thanks a lot, Bryan!
voice control needs adjustment :) whats your kids favorite model?
Ha ha , yeah. We have had a lot of fun with the Tamiya Monster Beetle this summer, but mostly I run slower toy-grade RCs together with the son. He has a lot of RCs himself, and among these a Maisto Rock Crawler he is very proud of. But he has just learned to control 2 channels (steering/throttle) at the same time this year (he is 3 years old) so I think he is soon ready for his own hobby grade RCs. He loves the 1/10 Monster Trucks so I think I will have to get him one soon :-) But a slower one to start with.
i would have guessed he was older. and he must be fit, chasing those rc. looks like you guys have good fun with the hobby!
Yeah, definitely the Monster Trucks and especially the classic pick-up-truck-styled Monsters. If I had an RC excavator that would probably be his favorite. I don't know where he get's it from. He's born in the City and a real city boy. But I guess all those big machines just are like magnets to boys :-)
oops little late on the edit. but thanks for your replies!
Ha ur kids awesome 👍
😅👍🏻
That was cool, a little science is great! Lol very cute little kid, if you lose then tell the rc (dad) to stop! Ha ha ha.
Thanks a lot for the Nice feedback, Ryan! Yeah, it was fun testing. He he, yeah, the dad would like to run his RC and the son would like to practice his English. He had just learned to count 1-4 in English 😄
I was expecting the only real difference to be with the smaller/lighter lipo, but that wasn't the case
Yeah, not many amps to draw on that one, but maybe the c-rating helps it, or maybe the 60A ESC is limiting the others.
Good vid
Thank you very much! It was a good day filming and running I remember 🙂
You know why i like you're channel
@@NordicRC
you have heart and compassion even after a hole year you are still thank full for the people that appreciate you that is why WE appreciate you back keep up the good work
PS-sorry if my enligsh is bad i'm from Norway
Thanks a lot, brother, for the kind words. Well, sorry for my English too, I’m from Denmark 😅 Tusind tak, min Skandinaviske ven.
@@NordicRC
Bare hyglig nabo land🇩🇰🇳🇴
Limited by the gearing just faster acceleration
Yeah! Think a 3S (or more) could produce some more RPM’s and push it higher but yes, with this gearing both a 6S NiMH and 2S LiPo meets the limit quite fast. But the LiPo definitly has more punch/acceleration.
LOL Stop Dad stop :-) These is not a lot of difference between Lipo/Nimh all down to the peak power lasts longer on Lipo. Just shows a combination of motor/ gearing for speed difference.
Ha ha, yeah, it was one of those times where the dad wanted to throttle down and the son wanted to practice his English. He had just learned to count 1-4 in English 😄 And yeah, LiPos aren’t faster. Just more efficient in many ways ☺️
So I think lipo best need more speed 5000 and brand new 7000 😮fast 👍
Yeah, after a couple of minutes the NiMH will start to slow down, where the LiPo will keep it’s voltage for much longer.
I have 11.1 volt 6.6A battery thats 6600mAh
That sounds like a cool 3S. My largest 3S is only 3000 mah 😅
Cute
Thanks for watching 😊
Lol. When your gas RC takes a 7.4 volt just as a receiver battery.
Yes?
You don’t get it do you?
There's a mountain in the forest where Beetle Boy lives?
I lost you at hello bud.
My LRP 5000mah Nimh 7.2 can charge up to 9,21V(!?).Better than a lipi
Yeah, as I wrote in the description box any good, healthy NiMH charges to +9v. The problem is that it usually drops quickly just after the charge, so even if one charges it the same day as the run, when reaching the run location it has dropped below 9v again. But as seen in this video it can actually do just as good as a freshly charged LiPo. After a couple of minutes of run time it drops even lower though, compared to the LiPo which stays at a higher voltage for much longer.
+Nordic RC Visions After charging with 7Amps,the voltage was 9,81V!And this with a Torque Tuned Motor
@@NordicRC Hello again!
I just wonder, why the DT 02 is just 12 kmh faster than a DT 03 (same gearbox, just 19 t pinion).
That's a little bit... Strange.