Question I’m thinking of buy 2008-09 Taurus/ Sable or the 2013-19 Taurus base on what you mentioned if I were to buy one used that has the water pump replaced would it still be a good buy or not
@@gervonniejones4045 if the water pump was replaced I would ask if it failed and water got in the engine or it was replaced before failure. If replaced before failure, go for it. If water got in the engine, run away
is the bearing for the water pump a "permanently lubricated" type or does it receive splash lubrication from the engine oil? I can understand why it would fail if it does not have a constant bath of oil for the bearing but it should not fail if it's being lubricated by engine oil. I've never seen one of these pumps so maybe you can check the old pump you had to see how that bearing is lubricated.
So much work to just have the engine have issues again with your new update......... Hopefully you can get a replacement and get this back on the road!
Do you have to take the power steering pump off? Is it mounted to the timing cover? Can you just take the pulley itself off and make enough room or does the entire power steering pump have to come off
I really like the way you explained it step by step I started my first one today some things I didn't take off that you did but I did ask my customer what the shop quoted him to do the job 1,000 SO I went from there and we agreed on six hundred I tore it down in 3 1/2 hours000 and and tomorrow it goes back together again does anyone think this is a fare enough price I've done the maxima that's worst my opiniona
Thanks. Yep shop times make it a really expensive repair. You just have to make sure they didn't drive it long with the oil milkshake cause they could have wiped the rod/main bearings out if they did.
I wouldve replaced that shit 3.5L engine with the more reliable 3.0L Duratec with the external waterpump. These 2 engines are interchangeable with the powertrains. The 3.0L has been around for decades and is a good engine! Was used in the 96-04 Tauruses
Yep, I had a 3.0 Duratec in my 01 Sable wagon and it was probably one of my favorite cars that I owned. The 3.0 Duratec doesn't mate up to the trans (or AWD unit) in the 3.5, and it doesn't produce as much power so it's not as interchangable as you think. I would have much rather thrown a 3.5 Ecoboost in it and upgrade the common failure points to make it a bulletproof 4 tire fryer.
@JrZCarZ I meant in the Fusion Sport 2010-12 the 3.0L Duratec would be the engine I'd replace that 3.5L Cyclone with! Yes lesser HP, but more reliable and I'm sure would mate to the Aisin T80 6speed automatic transmission regular Fusions use that garbage 6F35 6 speed auto
you are right ,, FORD has screwed this up ,,, and they are getting sued for it,,,, my 2016 explorer with only 56k has this current issue, and yes i am being charged 2500 , i found some cheaper places, but i decided to do it myself, and i am not in a rush so i been 3 days at it, slow and steady 3 to 4 hours ........ its a pain in the ass , and the engineers are extreme A holes for it,,,,,
The only reason to have a waterpump in this location is they KNOW it will eventually fail and cause more damage leading to big repair shop money. Check out my latest video on the Edge to see what junk I found I the oil after a bearing failure.
@@JrZCarZ That is a reasonable time. 150k to 175k is the time I see them fail at the parts store. I ask people about it. Stupid location but the Ford is better than the Hyundai comment below.
Okay so I fucked up lol. I can’t get mine to move I need to set it at the 11 o’clock and 1 o’clock position on top the bottom lines up at 4 o’clock but can’t get the top two when I turn then motor it turns but stops before a full turn. (I pulled the timing chain off before setting the 11/1 o’clock top ones
@@benfernkay8974 it sure was a pain in the rear to do! Good luck with it, and a word if advice, run it for about a day or two after, then change the oil again.
@@JrZCarZ thanks for the advice, i will do as you say.... im at the point now in removing the timing chain cover,,, im worried about the timing marks,, can you provide any of your wisdoms ? i would surely appreciate,,,,by the way i do have the camshafts holding tools,, i always thought the car is in proper timing as it is, ?
it happend to me twice, almost 5 years between fails, and engine still running after 10 years. It is a pain in the ass to fix it, but I think that desing has a purpose, in case of leak, all antifreeze will mixed with oil, since oil is too hot, it will boil water, that steam from valve cover will go to air intake, and since water doe not burn will turn off your engine safetly. It is a mess, but I think that is the reason to have the water pump inside the engine.
Honestly, Id the water pump fails and the coolant mixes with the oil, you're better off pulling the motor and just replacing it cause it's a guarantee that the bearings are hosed ......... So many of these engines met a premature demise because of this terrible water pump design.
"A shop is probably gonna charge you $2000 for this" The shop is charging me $3500 to replace the water pump on my 2012 Taurus. I'm here to find out why. Lol
And if you're going that route, rebuild the engine or replace it cause you most likely wiped the rod bearings. I have a later video on that with this car.....
What a horrendous decision to design this. Ford should recall for repair at their expense. It’s a ridiculous and will fail with out warning and leave you stranded.
JJM. DAT RELY IS NAT TO BAD I DIT MY WATOR PAMP. IIN 2 AOUARS AND STEOL HAD 6 PAC ANS 3 SEGURATS . AND NOU IS RUNG LIK A CLOK. ON MY WAY TO FINIXS ARISOUNA. FRAM SANATONIO . DONT NO WAY YOU HAD SOUU MACH TRAVOLS I JAST PUL THE MOTOR AND DITI SOU QUIC .MAN. GOOD LOAK. ON THEAT BETOR 🧐🧐🧐
I had a 01 Sale wagon with the Duratec and it was an awesome car. When I sold it, it had over 220,000 miles on it. Sad cause I really loved this Edge....
And of course there's no reward without issue. Check out the update here:
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Question I’m thinking of buy 2008-09 Taurus/ Sable or the 2013-19 Taurus base on what you mentioned if I were to buy one used that has the water pump replaced would it still be a good buy or not
@@gervonniejones4045 if the water pump was replaced I would ask if it failed and water got in the engine or it was replaced before failure. If replaced before failure, go for it. If water got in the engine, run away
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is the bearing for the water pump a "permanently lubricated" type or does it receive splash lubrication from the engine oil? I can understand why it would fail if it does not have a constant bath of oil for the bearing but it should not fail if it's being lubricated by engine oil. I've never seen one of these pumps so maybe you can check the old pump you had to see how that bearing is lubricated.
Really good job on explaining your work, and good pictures on what you're doing.
@@JohnSmith-cc3oo Thanks!
So much work to just have the engine have issues again with your new update......... Hopefully you can get a replacement and get this back on the road!
It's coming! Just need to find a good engine 😁
Do you have to take the power steering pump off? Is it mounted to the timing cover? Can you just take the pulley itself off and make enough room or does the entire power steering pump have to come off
I really like the way you explained it step by step I started my first one today some things I didn't take off that you did but I did ask my customer what the shop quoted him to do the job 1,000 SO I went from there and we agreed on six hundred I tore it down in 3 1/2 hours000 and and tomorrow it goes back together again does anyone think this is a fare enough price I've done the maxima that's worst my opiniona
Thanks. Yep shop times make it a really expensive repair. You just have to make sure they didn't drive it long with the oil milkshake cause they could have wiped the rod/main bearings out if they did.
I wouldve replaced that shit 3.5L engine with the more reliable 3.0L Duratec with the external waterpump. These 2 engines are interchangeable with the powertrains. The 3.0L has been around for decades and is a good engine! Was used in the 96-04 Tauruses
Yep, I had a 3.0 Duratec in my 01 Sable wagon and it was probably one of my favorite cars that I owned. The 3.0 Duratec doesn't mate up to the trans (or AWD unit) in the 3.5, and it doesn't produce as much power so it's not as interchangable as you think. I would have much rather thrown a 3.5 Ecoboost in it and upgrade the common failure points to make it a bulletproof 4 tire fryer.
@JrZCarZ I meant in the Fusion Sport 2010-12 the 3.0L Duratec would be the engine I'd replace that 3.5L Cyclone with! Yes lesser HP, but more reliable and I'm sure would mate to the Aisin T80 6speed automatic transmission regular Fusions use that garbage 6F35 6 speed auto
you are right ,, FORD has screwed this up ,,, and they are getting sued for it,,,, my 2016 explorer with only 56k has this current issue, and yes i am being charged 2500 , i found some cheaper places, but i decided to do it myself, and i am not in a rush so i been 3 days at it, slow and steady 3 to 4 hours ........ its a pain in the ass , and the engineers are extreme A holes for it,,,,,
The only reason to have a waterpump in this location is they KNOW it will eventually fail and cause more damage leading to big repair shop money. Check out my latest video on the Edge to see what junk I found I the oil after a bearing failure.
How many miles on the ford edge water pump??
The Edge has 178k miles on it so it did have a good service life. Just a terrible location for a water pump.
@@JrZCarZ That is a reasonable time. 150k to 175k is the time I see them fail at the parts store. I ask people about it. Stupid location but the Ford is better than the Hyundai comment below.
@@cd9225 very true! I'll take a Ford any day over a Hyundai. As a matter of fact, I've owned more Fords long term than any other manufacturer.
So where's the 2nd video?
How many miles were on it when it went
@@Hosshoggbossdogg roughly 157k miles.
Perfect video.. amazing.. good job on explaining... Amazing job.. thanks
Glad it helped you out!
Okay so I fucked up lol. I can’t get mine to move I need to set it at the 11 o’clock and 1 o’clock position on top the bottom lines up at 4 o’clock but can’t get the top two when I turn then motor it turns but stops before a full turn. (I pulled the timing chain off before setting the 11/1 o’clock top ones
the pump didnt need any silicon to be applied???? its not a requirement?
I didn't put any RV on the water pump. The rubber seals are there for that. The RTV was put on the timing cover to seal it which ie a requirement.
@@JrZCarZ thanks for your response , its been a pain in the rear to perform this,
@@benfernkay8974 it sure was a pain in the rear to do! Good luck with it, and a word if advice, run it for about a day or two after, then change the oil again.
@@JrZCarZ thanks for the advice, i will do as you say.... im at the point now in removing the timing chain cover,,, im worried about the timing marks,, can you provide any of your wisdoms ? i would surely appreciate,,,,by the way i do have the camshafts holding tools,, i always thought the car is in proper timing as it is, ?
it happend to me twice, almost 5 years between fails, and engine still running after 10 years. It is a pain in the ass to fix it, but I think that desing has a purpose, in case of leak, all antifreeze will mixed with oil, since oil is too hot, it will boil water, that steam from valve cover will go to air intake, and since water doe not burn will turn off your engine safetly. It is a mess, but I think that is the reason to have the water pump inside the engine.
Sounds like it would be easier just to pull the motor and replace the water pump.
Honestly, Id the water pump fails and the coolant mixes with the oil, you're better off pulling the motor and just replacing it cause it's a guarantee that the bearings are hosed ......... So many of these engines met a premature demise because of this terrible water pump design.
"A shop is probably gonna charge you $2000 for this"
The shop is charging me $3500 to replace the water pump on my 2012 Taurus. I'm here to find out why. Lol
@@DannyGoLively it's a lot of work to get to it. I can see why they charge the amount looking at standard labor rates.
What ever happened to the Sonata? Just sell it? That’s what I did.
You made a smart decision 😉 The Sonata is gone and honestly I'll never buy another Hyundai again.
May be easier to remove the engine first.
And if you're going that route, rebuild the engine or replace it cause you most likely wiped the rod bearings. I have a later video on that with this car.....
What a horrendous decision to design this.
Ford should recall for repair at their expense.
It’s a ridiculous and will fail with out warning and leave you stranded.
If they didn't design this engine with the water pump this way, it would have been damn near bulletproof, and with good power.
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JJM. DAT RELY IS NAT TO BAD I DIT MY WATOR PAMP. IIN 2 AOUARS AND STEOL HAD 6 PAC ANS 3 SEGURATS . AND NOU IS RUNG LIK A CLOK. ON MY WAY TO FINIXS ARISOUNA. FRAM SANATONIO . DONT NO WAY YOU HAD SOUU MACH TRAVOLS I JAST PUL THE MOTOR AND DITI SOU QUIC .MAN. GOOD LOAK. ON THEAT BETOR 🧐🧐🧐
Unfuckenbelievable wow my friends got 320000 on his sable we need better weed wish us luck when it goes
I had a 01 Sale wagon with the Duratec and it was an awesome car. When I sold it, it had over 220,000 miles on it. Sad cause I really loved this Edge....
Ford is not your friend
Not in this case, but I did love this SUV. Super comfortable, the big panoramic sunroof, nice ride quality and it was peppy.
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