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  • @LinusTechTips
    @LinusTechTips  หลายเดือนก่อน +4628

    Let's play a game. It's called "let's see how many people read the pinned comment before scrolling down to make their own".
    We knew we had it, but it was a low priority because Optane's use-cases were few and far between and it faded from relevance shortly after our first video.
    Intel didn't ask for it back because of the same reasons.
    Also.. Please... This isn't hardware we bought, nor does it have any actual value. Engineering sample components - especially storage - gets shredded once they are sent back to to the manufacturer anyway. No starving kids were denied access to a 6TB RAM server.
    The "we forgot" is just a fun hook for the video because I stubbed my toe on the box in the warehouse a little while ago and thought "hey, oh yeah this thing.. maybe it would be a good vehicle for a video on what the heck happened to Optane"
    In a nutshell: Relax, guy.
    Also at 2:41 we forgot a zero and should have said 50GB x 120 = 6TB
    Linus

    • @SamNolan1
      @SamNolan1 หลายเดือนก่อน +344

      Oh 21 seconds ago.... anyways side note. A spring cleaning video once a year would be pretty cool :D

    • @damustermann
      @damustermann หลายเดือนก่อน +129

      I hope you had safety sandals on.

    • @Swedishchef11
      @Swedishchef11 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

      So, should I change my spinning discs to cheap optane?

    • @ramiwen2887
      @ramiwen2887 หลายเดือนก่อน

      hey

    • @thecrazycat8745
      @thecrazycat8745 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

      it's ok linus, next time just don't stub your toe

  • @diego7399
    @diego7399 หลายเดือนก่อน +6023

    I also always forget my $150.000 server

    • @opposedscroll7596
      @opposedscroll7596 หลายเดือนก่อน +234

      Hate it when that happens

    • @Jesus-father
      @Jesus-father หลายเดือนก่อน +36

      me too 😔

    • @DJYoutube312
      @DJYoutube312 หลายเดือนก่อน +51

      Same, it’s always in my laundry room cupboard

    • @MasterCraft_48
      @MasterCraft_48 หลายเดือนก่อน +37

      I always wondered why I was in debt

    • @bknighty28
      @bknighty28 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

      This is how things you don't own get sold at a company. Honestly Linus transparency is nice but just do yourself a favor and avoid the target and leave stuff like that out of the video..

  • @unknownguy6402
    @unknownguy6402 หลายเดือนก่อน +2509

    Hi Linus, Intel here: Can I have my server back that we sent and lost three years ago... DM for the return delivery address :D

    • @aaronrdaniels
      @aaronrdaniels หลายเดือนก่อน +165

      Intel u owe me a 10900k still, that RMA process was not user error.

    • @tomihawk01
      @tomihawk01 หลายเดือนก่อน +41

      No, I'm Intel. And so is my wife.

    • @ethanegbertno741
      @ethanegbertno741 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

      Intel you still need to give me that 14900k

    • @raghavawasthi9593
      @raghavawasthi9593 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

      intel, you forgot to refund me my $300,000, when are you going to do?

    • @Cimlite
      @Cimlite หลายเดือนก่อน +11

      I am Sparta... _whoops, I meant..._ Intel! Yes, I am Intel.

  • @jp-ny2pd
    @jp-ny2pd หลายเดือนก่อน +247

    The Optane Persistent Memory was really good for databases where you had a large amount of random RW IOPS. It was still just WAY too expensive for what it was though.

    • @fish3977
      @fish3977 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

      I wonder if the price was an "inherent issue" with the technology or due to economics of scale

    • @ashtonhoward5582
      @ashtonhoward5582 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      ​@@fish3977 I feel like it's always economies of scale. I doubt it's particularly exotic under the hood, just different enough to need new manufacturing lines.

    • @djordje1999
      @djordje1999 29 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      it's cheaper to buy more servers and scale horizontally and you will get much higher IOPS.. ofc if you are using distributed database..

    • @jp-ny2pd
      @jp-ny2pd 29 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@djordje1999 When it came out it was a pretty unique thing for a while. But essentially yeah, a year or two later you could just slap NVMe's in a bunch of servers and shard/fragment/split the workload. Optane still good for latency like they demonstrated but I just never saw much of a need for it. I don't think most workloads are sensitive enough to tell the difference between 10ms and 1ms latency. If it is you just throw terabytes of real ram at it now and solve the persistency issue another way.

    • @TheDemocrab
      @TheDemocrab 28 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@fish3977Partially economies of scale, partially Intel trying the same con they tried once with Rambus again. (Trying to use their market domination to break in a new memory tech with a tonne of patent baggage which means any companies not in on the con are very reluctant to try and figure out manufacturing the stuff unless they have to.)
      It's a real shame honestly, if it became a true standard free from any single company then it'd have a whole range of uses across the board. Even on my main desktop I wouldn't mind getting a 128GB PCIe drive to use as a dedicated swap device; the latency means it'd be faster than anything else used for swap even much newer NVMe SSDs, the write endurance would benefit that kind of usage and the non-volatility would allow it to remain suitable for hibernation and the like.

  • @DanielFSmith
    @DanielFSmith หลายเดือนก่อน +57

    FYI: a cryptographic erase doesn't do any (significant) writes: it just erases the key and assumes an adversary will be unable to retrieve the old encrypted data.

    • @thewiirocks
      @thewiirocks 26 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      I think their point is that the system will have to refill that RAM on every boot, which requires a lot more writing than a storage drive that would just keep it around.

  • @wesselm180
    @wesselm180 หลายเดือนก่อน +1587

    00:28 That's a big write off you got there.

    • @MasterCraft_48
      @MasterCraft_48 หลายเดือนก่อน +70

      The IRS forgot about the 150k server too

    • @user-fe8hp6jv9f
      @user-fe8hp6jv9f หลายเดือนก่อน +69

      Waiting for another 20 min segment of Linus raging on the WAN show.

    • @TheCasualSubculturist
      @TheCasualSubculturist หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Fuck.. you got here first.

    • @Perseca
      @Perseca หลายเดือนก่อน +56

      "Why do we still have this server, Linus?"
      "Take a guess, Luke."
      "Because you can write it off?"
      "Because I can write it off."

    • @Mrmcfastman
      @Mrmcfastman หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Glad to see someone else read between the lines

  • @Kaenguruu
    @Kaenguruu หลายเดือนก่อน +1445

    With Motherboard BIOSs it's like with tutorials for port forwarding: "You just open you routers thingie and then I can't help you because every one has a different idea of where to put it"

    • @sweet.2881
      @sweet.2881 หลายเดือนก่อน +63

      SUCH A GOOD COMPARISON

    • @ChucklesTheChicken
      @ChucklesTheChicken หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      lmao so true

    • @GameCyborgCh
      @GameCyborgCh หลายเดือนก่อน +35

      or PSU manufacturers uses different pinouts on their power supplies, not even within the same model now

    • @Smokex365
      @Smokex365 หลายเดือนก่อน +29

      That's also assuming they even still call it ports. AT&T when I worked for them insisted on calling them pinholes. That was annoying as hell having to translate between their stupid kb articles (which any of the untrained techs would adhere to) and the actual naming.

    • @WayStedYou
      @WayStedYou หลายเดือนก่อน

      That sounds like the horizontal shuffle too.

  • @maxwvm7345
    @maxwvm7345 หลายเดือนก่อน +31

    0:58 Doing firefly dirty here... ye may take my home take my land tell me where I cannot stand.. but with this crazy ass PC I will be serenity

  • @4RILDIGITAL
    @4RILDIGITAL หลายเดือนก่อน +197

    The insights about Intel's optane were really informative. It's fascinating how something so remarkable could flop in the market due to timing and competition.

    • @Raivo_K
      @Raivo_K หลายเดือนก่อน +22

      The pricing did not help either. It was super expensive. Even now the only PCIe 4.0 Optane model you can buy (P5800X) costs you a nice $800+ used for mere 400GB.
      Not to mention Intel's stupid decision to keep it to themselves and not license the technology out to other manufacturers,. They could be making a buck on every Optane sold for decades. Instead they are now stuck with half a billion dollar inventory most people dont want.

    • @sbrazenor2
      @sbrazenor2 26 วันที่ผ่านมา

      They entirely forgot that Optane isn't actually dead, but now a spun off company named Solidigm.

    • @Raivo_K
      @Raivo_K 26 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@sbrazenor2Optane - is dead. The SSD division than intel sold is called Solidigm. Two different things.
      Optane was the marketing name. 3DXpoint was the technology name and "Phase Change Memory" was the technology itself.
      Theoretically someone else could develop something based on this technology in the future.

  • @Sageofthewhisper
    @Sageofthewhisper หลายเดือนก่อน +485

    I vacuumed my rug and when I went to clean out the vacuum I found seven of these that I had forgotten about.

    • @megapro125
      @megapro125 หลายเดือนก่อน +20

      You won't believe what I found in my basement last weekend. 5 floor-to-ceiling packed pallets with sealed optane drives. That's 3 more pallets than I found two days earlier in the basement.

  • @PhilipUlrich
    @PhilipUlrich หลายเดือนก่อน +1141

    I almost made a joke about Linus needing to make this video so he could write off the expense.. but I didn’t want to hear him go on that rant during the WAN show again. 😂

    • @918Boyz
      @918Boyz หลายเดือนก่อน +35

      if that division is gone and they liquidated inventory then he has to do the vid this fiscal quarter. Now it has a business purpose and likely keeps it from being a $150k gift. 😂😂😂

    • @Senthiuz
      @Senthiuz หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      HMRC isn't going to let them just expense a $150,000 server, gotta capitalize and depreciate.

    • @jasenrock
      @jasenrock หลายเดือนก่อน

      Your not that special

    • @undercatviper
      @undercatviper หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      We might get cheap screwdrivers tho

    • @lawrencejob
      @lawrencejob หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@Senthiuz it's a bit outside of their jurisdiction

  • @DaSyEnTisT
    @DaSyEnTisT หลายเดือนก่อน +69

    I know a couple of SQL instances that would loooooove that precious ram !!

    • @trustytrojan
      @trustytrojan หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      love how everyone is saying this 😂 makes sense considering most sql dbs are just huge hashtables

  • @nekomakhea9440
    @nekomakhea9440 หลายเดือนก่อน +55

    Crackhead idea: what if you use that optane server as a cache the entirety of your video server for a Blazingly Faster(tm) video editing experience? Or a stupidly fast Steam cache for the LAN party center?

    • @Tungil90
      @Tungil90 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Well for 4k video 6tb probably is not enough, as I suppose they have multiple editors working at once. But the steam cache is probably a good idea! However networking will limit the speed substantially, I think... And latency is not a benefit if you just want to grab 120gb of the newest cod...? Hm just thinking out loud. What do you think?

    • @tanmaypanadi1414
      @tanmaypanadi1414 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      floatplane cache....

  • @SuperGeekTime
    @SuperGeekTime หลายเดือนก่อน +761

    i found two of those lying around in my garage yesterday

    • @urmom1144
      @urmom1144 หลายเดือนก่อน +27

      same found a couple in my cats bed

    • @EkiToji
      @EkiToji หลายเดือนก่อน +18

      I should check inside my GameCube.

    • @G89-
      @G89- หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      Yeah, my dog sniffed one up too
      Don't know how he trained for that though...

    • @Melovi
      @Melovi หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      Accidentally choked on one while eating breakfast

    • @reililithbob5541
      @reililithbob5541 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      I can’t go to a yard sale without tripping over a couple

  • @tehkast
    @tehkast หลายเดือนก่อน +502

    That one guy at optain tryign to save the incoming closure "I swear LTT said they will be making a video will give us the exposure we need just wait" ...

    • @ChristianStout
      @ChristianStout หลายเดือนก่อน +41

      RIP in peace to that guy

    • @nocturn9x
      @nocturn9x หลายเดือนก่อน +21

      ​@@ChristianStout Rest In Peace in Peace? LoL

    • @Alejandro192011
      @Alejandro192011 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

      ​@@nocturn9x Don't you mean lol out loud?

    • @nocturn9x
      @nocturn9x หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Alejandro192011🤣

    • @lnfinyx
      @lnfinyx 29 วันที่ผ่านมา

      yea, lol= lol out loud, so that means lol out loud out loud which means lol out loud out loud out loud, etc etc etc
      @@Alejandro192011

  • @SRVZephyr
    @SRVZephyr หลายเดือนก่อน +13

    That Firefly joke is cruel and unusual. Time to go rewatch it I guess

  • @anonymeperson4193
    @anonymeperson4193 หลายเดือนก่อน +18

    now that you mention youtube thumbnails, one of the best things i ever did was download a browser extension called de-arrow, that essentially changes every youtube title and thumbnail to either a community submitted frame from the video and title or just a random frame and removes all caps from it.

  • @nicolocatanese3477
    @nicolocatanese3477 หลายเดือนก่อน +306

    Yeah sure, i just store my 200k servers in my attic.
    Forget them all the time
    I feel you linus

    • @LinusTechTips
      @LinusTechTips  หลายเดือนก่อน +122

      we are kin -LS

    • @misamsy3482
      @misamsy3482 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      no other reply let me fix that

    • @abyananas6227
      @abyananas6227 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      No other "other" reply, let me fix that.

    • @NarikGaming
      @NarikGaming หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      No other "other "other"" reply. I will fix nothing

    • @norpse9370
      @norpse9370 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Must be nice to afford an attic after buying one of these, I could only afford a basement. Fml

  • @Arafenion
    @Arafenion หลายเดือนก่อน +132

    That cruel firefly reference opened some wounds... not shiny

    • @shaikhulud1989
      @shaikhulud1989 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Gorram verse is too cruel

    • @GPHawaii
      @GPHawaii หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Browncoats unite!

    • @richardsteiner8992
      @richardsteiner8992 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Doubleplusunshiny

    • @PhilRennie
      @PhilRennie หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      It's still too soon for that

  • @majd2
    @majd2 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    I love linus (or the editors) ability to explain complex high tech stuff in such nice and simple way...underrated skills..good job guys

  • @LokiCDK
    @LokiCDK หลายเดือนก่อน +11

    Postgresql database server with caching enabled. There's some optane benchmarks I want to see.

  • @Jehty21
    @Jehty21 หลายเดือนก่อน +157

    It's crazy that just such a short time ago Optane was praised as this "holy grail" and desirable thing.
    And then suddenly it disappeared and now no one is talking about anymore.

    • @Derpalerpa
      @Derpalerpa หลายเดือนก่อน +11

      Kinda makes me sad honestly.

    • @AndyMitchellUK26
      @AndyMitchellUK26 หลายเดือนก่อน +40

      It didn't help that like Linus mentioned, they locked it down to only making sense when paired with their top tier CPUs. It didn't make sense having 1TB support when like mentioned, you could easily just buy 1TB of server RAM anyway. They also didn't help themselves in the consumer space by locking it down to only working on Optane approved motherboards (which meant it locked out AMD CPU users from using it as it was intended). Proprietary tech is not always good and this proved it, even if it was good.

    • @WayStedYou
      @WayStedYou หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Another on the pile of dead intel promises

    • @tanmaypanadi1414
      @tanmaypanadi1414 หลายเดือนก่อน

      there are other 3d nand alternatives that got way more support from the OEMs.
      I think it's called CXL

    • @FTreba
      @FTreba หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      like Linus said, it was too little, too late. It was the coolest sh*t at the time of its inception, but by the time it
      showed up on the shelves, you could buy all the RAM you'll ever need for $200 and gen 4 SSDs that will outlive the heat death of the universe at about the same price. And as such, there is simply no point.

  • @GhostSniper1204
    @GhostSniper1204 หลายเดือนก่อน +225

    2:41 that math ain't mathing

    • @urgay1992
      @urgay1992 หลายเดือนก่อน +40

      Only off by one order of magnitude, I call that close enough.

    • @TenForceFalls
      @TenForceFalls หลายเดือนก่อน +22

      I was making sure I also wasn’t insane. I even opened my calculator

    • @phoenix9531
      @phoenix9531 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      ​@@TenForceFallsThe insert is wrong. He says it correctly 10 seconds prior.

    • @-lolus-
      @-lolus- หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@phoenix9531 well, the text shows 6TB soo still incorect

    • @Preske
      @Preske หลายเดือนก่อน +14

      you expect math from the same people who forgot a 150k server?

  • @TheBibliofilus
    @TheBibliofilus หลายเดือนก่อน +22

    I bet Wendell would do some really weird homebrew AI with it, if it got lost down in Kentucky...

    • @tanmaypanadi1414
      @tanmaypanadi1414 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Wendell has access to boards of optane. Moore the merrier.

  • @billy65bob
    @billy65bob หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    6:00 I don't know how to do this, but... it should theoretically be possible to write a small C library you inject yourself to override how malloc works.
    Then you just do your own malloc on the octane drives, and failing that, forward to the base implementation.
    A mate of mine did something similar using an OpenGL extension to use VRAM as RAM.

  • @Cobinja
    @Cobinja หลายเดือนก่อน +104

    0:57 Oh, that hurts. I'm a leaf on the wind.

    • @VivienFRENOT
      @VivienFRENOT หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      Whatch how i soar

    • @KenS1267
      @KenS1267 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      Browncoats unite!

    • @black8ight
      @black8ight หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      I will annualy leave a new comment there ... just for the sentimental value.

    • @A-Parently_Gaming
      @A-Parently_Gaming หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      "Watch how I---" *squelch* *thunk*

    • @BennyColyn
      @BennyColyn หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal

  • @AusSkiller
    @AusSkiller หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    0:58 Oof, that Firefly reference cuts deep.

  • @guility
    @guility หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    That's actually impressively good for databases.
    Also, it fits surprisingly good to the lean Enterprise environment, where you don't yet need the distributed side of Enterprise, though having all the requirements on persistence.

  • @jajssblue
    @jajssblue หลายเดือนก่อน +40

    10:23 Listen up thumbnail complainers! Your fate is in your hands! My money is on status quo because humans are predictable.

    • @time-alinge
      @time-alinge หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Jokes on them I use dearrow to change my thumbnails so I don't even have to complain as my thumbnails are never bad. So do something about it if you don't like the trends. Also are there that many complainers

    • @jajssblue
      @jajssblue หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@time-alingeJust check out the LTT subreddit. It's often a cesspool of people who hate LTT for some reason. I feel like this topic is brought up constantly. Also see many comments on PCMR and Gamer's Nexus subreddits.

    • @Raivo_K
      @Raivo_K หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@time-alingeSame. Also DeArrow user here. It also changes the video titles. I hate having to open a video to find out what it's about. Only to find out im not interested and close it. Honestly i could live with the thumbnails but i hate non descriptive/clickbait video titles. Imagine searching for a video on specific topic only to be greeted with clickbait titles.

    • @n_core
      @n_core หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Raivo_K For me it's the opposite. I used that extension before and it actually made me open each of the videos to find out what it's about. Because the thumbnail usually summarizes the whole video for me instead of a random frame from the video. Kinda counter productive you might say.

  • @FAB1150
    @FAB1150 หลายเดือนก่อน +53

    2:41 the writer forgot a 0 :D

    • @benwu7980
      @benwu7980 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      50GBx12 = ?6TB oO , pretty basic fail.

    • @inherentlyflawed
      @inherentlyflawed หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@benwu7980it’s a typo…

    • @inherentlyflawed
      @inherentlyflawed หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Also read the pinned comment, it specifically mentions you

    • @fish3977
      @fish3977 หลายเดือนก่อน

      engagement farming /s

    • @tanmaypanadi1414
      @tanmaypanadi1414 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@inherentlyflawedThe original comment was 6 hour ago while the pinned comment came later so 🕳️

  • @AndrewMuraco
    @AndrewMuraco หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    One use case that actually is engineered for the pmem mode of Optane is Aerospike, and you generally only use Aerospike in very specific industries but boy when it’s the right tool for the job it’s killer over other nosql solutions

  • @latioseon7794
    @latioseon7794 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I'm sad that Optane is gone as their Xpoint drives with their insane latency and endurance makes them a really good OS drive and seems like no one else has achieved those I/O speeds since and the crazy new innovations they came up with are really cool too

  • @Eli-zb2yj
    @Eli-zb2yj หลายเดือนก่อน +44

    Imagine linus dropping the $150,000 server

    • @CanIHasThisName
      @CanIHasThisName หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      It probably happened, they just didn't show it. Now, years later, it started working again mysteriously, so they made a video.

    • @GameCyborgCh
      @GameCyborgCh หลายเดือนก่อน

      it's solid state, it'll be fine

    • @hubertnnn
      @hubertnnn หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@GameCyborgCh
      Linus: Hold my beer

    • @79huddy
      @79huddy หลายเดือนก่อน

      Him and the crew should get a couple bat's and go full office space on that server just for the giggles

  • @xHyperElectric
    @xHyperElectric หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    I’m so glad the intros are back for good!

  • @LCARSx32
    @LCARSx32 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Since it showed up as an option ROM its likely a separate card that has that portion of the BIOS on it. Option ROMs are kinda like plugins but for your BIOS. Cards and periferals can supply an option ROM whenever they need to add functionality your BIOS doesn't have built in.

  • @chasesidaway
    @chasesidaway หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Absolutely no one, Linus we were going to do spring cleaning, but we found my missing $150,00 server, now for our segway to our sponsor.

  • @jeanotzubler2477
    @jeanotzubler2477 หลายเดือนก่อน +36

    2:40 Somehow I don't think 12 floatplane exclusives times 50GB = 6TB... more like 600GB

    • @jperoutek
      @jperoutek หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      stick says 512 gb on it

    • @fallenone4108
      @fallenone4108 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Later in the video it says 512GB per stick which equals the 6.144T there are talking about.

    • @swiit1
      @swiit1 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      @@fallenone4108 I think they goofed in the script and just claimed each floatplane exclusive is 500gb (500*12 would be 6tb which would fit the "fit 12 floatplane exclusives in system ram" statement) All while showing text on the screen claiming each fp exclusive is 50gb not 500gb. confusing to say the least, but surely a single fp high bitrate exclusive isnt 500gb? then again, never watched one so for all i know theyre 8hrs long.

    • @ElNeroDiablo
      @ElNeroDiablo หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      12 x 512GiB Optane sticks + 12 x 32GiB DDR4 sticks. That's 6528GiB (or 6.375TiB, since 1024 GiB = 1TiB) of memory.

    • @jeanotzubler2477
      @jeanotzubler2477 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​@@jperoutekI'm talking about the floatplane exclusives that he mentioned, not about the memory capacity

  • @Air377.
    @Air377. หลายเดือนก่อน +14

    Rookie numbers. I forgot my 500k Nasa Computer in my basement. Found it today👍

  • @PrecludeLP
    @PrecludeLP หลายเดือนก่อน +39

    If only you had demonstrated this tech right after receiving the hardware. LTT might have single-handedly saved Intel's Optane Division.
    /s

    • @MikVision
      @MikVision หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      They are pretty irrelevant in the enterprise space. I can tell you as someone that worked in the data center.

    • @supersuede91
      @supersuede91 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      Bruh LTT is for gamers and noobs like me not professionals

  • @korumann
    @korumann หลายเดือนก่อน

    It'd be fun to see more videos like this about products and projects that for one reason or another just didn't pan out.

  • @SinisterSlay1
    @SinisterSlay1 หลายเดือนก่อน +21

    Died just when it would have got useful. LLMs and image generators need huge amounts of memory. To the point where it is semi common practice to just set a swap file on SSDs and just replace it every few months when it runs out of writes.

    • @cartoonhead9222
      @cartoonhead9222 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      That's pretty much why it died. People just resorted to using much cheaper storage as 'RAM'.

    • @hubertnnn
      @hubertnnn หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@cartoonhead9222 In other words, it was too expensive for what it does.
      The question is, was it so expensive to manufacture, or did intel just want too high of a margin.

    • @morosis82
      @morosis82 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@hubertnnnit was actually a tricky tech to manufacture, I think the problem was it never got popular enough for it to hang around long enough to get the improvements that take lots of time.
      I wouldn't be surprised to see it come back once someone figures a hack to the manufacture that gets it a lot cheaper. It is still a cool tech, just too expensive and too niche to have taken off in a huge way like Intel and Micron wanted.

  • @Zenku763
    @Zenku763 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

    Oh, I did that too last week!

  • @O43Z98
    @O43Z98 29 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I not even disappointed this is late. I've been wanting a comprehensive breakdown of what happened with optane. ( I'm only to the Segue so far. Can't wait)

  • @thekwoka4707
    @thekwoka4707 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This makes a lot of sense for use cases like APFS allow where the storage can be used as swap memory.

  • @jajssblue
    @jajssblue หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    16:45 Sounds like Intel needs to "write off" that Optane inventory.

  • @stevewoods76
    @stevewoods76 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    Loving the Firefly season 2 joke

  • @Dono0320
    @Dono0320 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I got an Optane drive and found it quite good at holding my hard drives index data on my TrueNas box. Great at speeding up the hard drives slow random reads and writes. I wish intel stuck with Optane longer, felt like they did not give it a long enough chance to penetrate the market. Also opening it up would have helped a lot.

  • @carlosdominguez3108
    @carlosdominguez3108 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I have a P5800x as my Windows OS drive. Snappiest computer experience I've ever had, can basically never kill the drive, and can literally open 100 programs at the same time with not a stutter. Optane is wild, and still worth it.

  • @LycanWitch
    @LycanWitch หลายเดือนก่อน +64

    8:15 That call out to Emily.. I miss Emily, I hope She chooses to return in front of the cameras again sometime. She was such an amazing LTT video host and seeing these technical videos without her knowledge and input just isn't the same.

    • @TheTom951guitar
      @TheTom951guitar หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      2nd'd!

    • @ExarchGaming
      @ExarchGaming หลายเดือนก่อน +16

      she's probably afraid of the more reactionary parts of the LTT audience. Which makes me extremely sad. We all miss Emily.

    • @3800fiero
      @3800fiero หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      I will shout for joy if I see her in another video! Great host, knowledgable and humble. Overall great person.

    • @LycanWitch
      @LycanWitch หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      ​@@ExarchGaming yeah this has been my worry as well.
      However, I have a feeling Emily isn't the type of person who is easily phased by bullying or any transphobe, as Emily to me has always seemed like the type of individual who's immune to bullying and above hate.
      Rather, I hope that the reason they've been off camera is is she is focusing on transitioning, such as waiting until she has some feminizing procedures performed before returning to the limelight (i.e. laser/electrolysis, or even surgical procedures like FFS and breast augmentation, not to mention, the subsequent recovery time), so that when they do decide to return in front of a camera, they can be and project the self-image they wish to share with the world :)
      Either case, I hope she returns, and her staying away isn't a permanent. As someone who is transgender, seeing someone prominent within the tech media space as Emily was, is so inspiring not only to me but likely countless others who too are trans, gender non-conforming, and allies within the tech sphere.

    • @Smykeify
      @Smykeify หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      I miss seeing Emily on here, definitely a noticeable void in the LTT videos since her departure, I hope it isn't because of the loud minorities comments and hopefully she is just working on herself but seeing all the horrible comments on her announcement video I wouldn't blame her from not wanting to be on camera again.
      All the best to her either way she is an invaluable part of the team and I definitely miss seeing her present.

  • @Scarlet_Soul
    @Scarlet_Soul หลายเดือนก่อน +12

    2:41 : 50GB x 12 = 6TB? Erm...is that why you always need new storage servers?

    • @fallenone4108
      @fallenone4108 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Later in the video it says 512GB per stick which equals the 6.144T there are talking about.

    • @Scarlet_Soul
      @Scarlet_Soul หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@fallenone4108 2:41 is them saying the size of their floatplane videos

  • @r0galik
    @r0galik หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I use 16 GB 2nd gen nvme optane SSDs as the boot drives in my single board computers. They work nicely. I also built an Optane thumb drive with a 2242 module and an enclosure.

  • @kinetics1045
    @kinetics1045 หลายเดือนก่อน

    He makes it a vision to new people to do crazy stuff and having that speed allowed people better understand the power and the idea it’s possible

  • @andljoy
    @andljoy หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    3DXpoint was insane , it was and still is the best for your boot drive as the latency is so good.

    • @GameCyborgCh
      @GameCyborgCh หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      sucked that they never made them for consumers. Small harddrive accelerators or enterprise grade (with a price tag to match). Sure there was the 900p but that retailed for 400 bucks for a 280 gig drive, when that came out you could have probably bought a 4TB NVME ssd for that price

    • @nocturn9x
      @nocturn9x หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​@@GameCyborgChConsidering you can buy a 4TB NvME for about 300 bucks now, that sounds about right

    • @Raivo_K
      @Raivo_K หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@nocturn9xAnd they only made enterprise PCIe 4.0 Optane (P5800X) that even today costs a cool $800+ for mere 400GB model. It's very competitive with PCIe 4.0 NvME in performance, even in sequential performance where 905P gets destroyed but it's so expensive that last summer i could have bought nearly 16TB worth of PCIe 4.0 NAND for that money.

  • @iziro
    @iziro หลายเดือนก่อน +57

    So annoying when I leave a revolutionary 150k worth of server in a warehouse for 3 years

    • @1armbiker
      @1armbiker หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Intel hasn’t made anything revolutionary in 15 years.

    • @GeekProdigyGuy
      @GeekProdigyGuy หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      ​@@1armbiker optane absolutely was, and tbh still is, revolutionary -- even the best SCM today only comes to a close second to 2nd gen optane from 2020... they made a series of stupid business decisions all mentioned in the video.

    • @nocturn9x
      @nocturn9x หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​@@1armbikerimagine being so stuck in fanboy land to cope this hard. Not trying to shit on AMD btw, their stuff is amazing. But Intel has done a lot of cool stuff too. They just sat on their laurels for too long in the consumer space

  • @Ghennesph
    @Ghennesph หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I mean, 905Ps are selling, they're often in the hot-items list for enterprise storage. If optane had been priced reasonably, and not been vendor locked, we'd probably all be using it by now, for root/boot, with nand for game libraries.

  • @daviddrake4715
    @daviddrake4715 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Too soon hitting us with that Firefly reference there. Now all the misbehaving around LTT makes scene...... Ye are all Browncoats.... SHINY!!!

  • @pawa-cu1dv
    @pawa-cu1dv หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    6:28 but it would be a tax write off

  • @furaznl
    @furaznl หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    TH-cam has what now? AB Testing thumbnails? Hold my beer

    • @samwalker7567
      @samwalker7567 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yeah, that was just casually dropped in there and it's a huge deal that LTT/LMG are using it now.

    • @hubertnnn
      @hubertnnn หลายเดือนก่อน

      I was wondering why thumbnails keep changing every time I refresh the page.

    • @morosis82
      @morosis82 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@samwalker7567 they've been using it for a while and have talked about it a fair bit.

  • @sloc_
    @sloc_ หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Optane was a technology that I always hoped would eventually come down in price and become common for consumer use. After Wendell from level1 showed how it affected operating system responsiveness in a video, I was hooked. I check every few months to see if the price of a 1.6tb p5800x come down, only to be disappointed to see that they still go for $3000 on Newegg. I feel like this will be a technology in 10 or 20 years that I will be able to get at a recycling center by luck and finally get to experience its greatness long after it’s obsolete. What a bumber

  • @ulator4820
    @ulator4820 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    6:20 a dubious ROI? Nah, just write it off! 😅

  • @johnb0815
    @johnb0815 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    so optane requires normal ram? why not put both on a single DIMM and get benefits form both types?

    • @hubertnnn
      @hubertnnn หลายเดือนก่อน

      I think it requires a paired normal ram only in RAM mode.
      In HDD mode it does not need to be paired with RAM.

  • @999Crazyy
    @999Crazyy หลายเดือนก่อน +13

    What a great 150k write off 👍

  • @zacharyyearling3147
    @zacharyyearling3147 27 วันที่ผ่านมา

    now with the closeout deals how about a video on how to set up and use optain for some home user situations? home server, gaming, NAS, and any other weird use situations along with how to set them up.

  • @gimmickmusic8827
    @gimmickmusic8827 หลายเดือนก่อน

    7:12 THANK YOU! I have been complaining about how motherboards in general still feel like the wild west. It’s insane that we still don’t just have a standardized plug for front IO or that menus are always so drastically different.

  • @Rehbet
    @Rehbet หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    It's a shame LTT killed Optane by ignoring Intel's last ditch effort to build hype for the product by sending $150,000 worth of hardware to a popular youtuber to showcase. Hope it was worth it Andy

  • @ChristianStout
    @ChristianStout หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    In a different timeline, Optane + 3D V-cache cannibalize DRAM entirely.
    With the combined capacity of V-cache and speed/latency of PCIe5 Optane, DRAM would be rendered unnecessary.

    • @DigitalJedi
      @DigitalJedi หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      There's some dark future where on-package HBM, 3D cache, and 3D X-point (optane) would make a ram monster. You could have 10s of MB of cache, a small pool of HBM to feed the iGPU, and then a big pool of optane storage that is basically both the SSD and main ram.

    • @nocturn9x
      @nocturn9x หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​@@DigitalJedithat sounds awesome tbh

    • @ChristianStout
      @ChristianStout หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@DigitalJedi The latest Xeons now have HBM on package, so I bet that feature will trickle down to Core CPUs before the end of the decade.

    • @DigitalJedi
      @DigitalJedi หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @ChristianStout We'll kind of see it later this year! Lunar Lake will have all of its lpddr5x on-package, but won't have any external additional channels.

  • @scsextra
    @scsextra 29 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I’ve roasted you guys enough and Billet has had their day in the sun over on GN. The subtle nod to forgetting is hilarious.

  • @snooks5607
    @snooks5607 หลายเดือนก่อน

    3:15 what also increases it's endurance greatly is to keep it offline in a closet

  • @nmweissm
    @nmweissm หลายเดือนก่อน +11

    THE RICER PC BAIT IN THE BEGINNING AAAAAAAAAA
    FINISH THE PC LINUS

  • @UntouchedWagons
    @UntouchedWagons หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    Give it to Jeff at Craft Computing, he's been on a bit of a bender lately buying weird servers that no one else wants.

    • @nickloper2542
      @nickloper2542 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Absolutely this!

  • @jaymorrison2419
    @jaymorrison2419 29 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I had an Optane chip in my i7700k era PC, which did a pretty good job speeding up my (at the time) 2T hybrid Hard Drives. Sadly (or not depending on your view) its been gone for a couple of years now, as NVME drives got cheap enough at a high enough capacity to swap out the old 3.5" drives.

  • @watercannonscollaboration2281
    @watercannonscollaboration2281 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Saw the pinned comment, reminds me of a time when I was browsing through a pile of IT return at my company, and there was a dev kit for Intel Denverton. Opened, but never removed from the packaging, it was just a black cooler master PC case

  • @chromeeh
    @chromeeh หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    That mainboard and chassis bending at 0:18 😵‍💫

  • @thomashd9698
    @thomashd9698 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    You can use the huge amount of memory to run the largest possible large language models.

    • @nocturn9x
      @nocturn9x หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      You think 6TB is enough for an LLM with trillions of parameters? Hah, you're funny.

    • @swcommander1661
      @swcommander1661 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@nocturn9xRiiight 🤔

  • @dtmgfx5184
    @dtmgfx5184 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Hi guys, as a vfx artist, would love to see some houdini simulations on these videos, Ocean or pyro sims will easily scale up to fill up memory (and compute) tasks at hand. and as someone who mainly uses off the shelf consumer hardware, would be lovely to see how high end servers would perform.

  • @PashPaw
    @PashPaw 28 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Someone I know uses Optane in their desktop PC.
    When it was built about five and a half years ago, 1TB SSDs were still uncommon and expensive. It gets used as a storage cache so the spinning HDDs he has stores and retrieves data to and from the Optane module. It's really bizarre stuff. Neat but bizarre.

  • @iBridgee
    @iBridgee หลายเดือนก่อน +13

    This server costs more than my entire college education.

    • @TheChemizzle
      @TheChemizzle หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      You got lucky, it's almost half the price of mine lol.

    • @kaspersergej
      @kaspersergej หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      Wait, you guys pay for education? 😂

    • @avonbarksdale2506
      @avonbarksdale2506 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@TheChemizzleyou got scammed then lol

    • @MrScorpianwarrior
      @MrScorpianwarrior หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      ​@avonbarksdale2506 Someone with 2 - going on 3 - degrees here, all college prices are a scam 🙄

    • @ohioplayer-bl9em
      @ohioplayer-bl9em หลายเดือนก่อน

      My house

  • @Glenn938
    @Glenn938 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Very nice job! This was so good I broke up with my girlfriend, ghosted her, disowned my parents, and quit my job. I burned all my belongings.I soon got evicted for not paying rent, but had the cops force me out. I then became addicted to fentanyl. Now I watch this while tweakin.

  • @shuuko_tenoh
    @shuuko_tenoh หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I'm honestly not even sure what I am going to do with the 1TB of ram in my newest server that I acquired for cheap. While the obligatory "Please send" would be fun, most people outside of large companies that could have bought it anyway wouldn't even be able to come up with proper use cases for a server of this caliber. Would make a fun project for a super low latency Minecraft (or other game with large maps to load) server. Chunks would load faster than people could traverse them.

  • @CrypticConsole
    @CrypticConsole หลายเดือนก่อน

    you can probably use MMAP with storage mode and get super high performance persistent storage for stuff like LLM inference with llama cpp

  • @evierivka402
    @evierivka402 หลายเดือนก่อน +31

    Shout out to Emily for coming in clutch for the video and this amazing project.

    • @BravoCharleses
      @BravoCharleses หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      We miss you, Emily, and hope you're doing well. :-)

    • @stragen0013
      @stragen0013 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      Need to see some Emily vids again. They were always my favourite

    • @Jacob-my4fj
      @Jacob-my4fj หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      So glad to see someone else bringing Emily up. I miss seeing them in videos.

    • @mattboje6747
      @mattboje6747 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Emily was great, miss seeing them in videos, nice for Linus to shout them out!

    • @supersuede91
      @supersuede91 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Based Emily

  • @blue-obsidian
    @blue-obsidian หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Only Linus can spend $150,000 and forget it 😂😢😢

    • @Fitnessdickinmymouth
      @Fitnessdickinmymouth หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      $1,000,000 1PB SSD server project?

    • @C0mmanderX
      @C0mmanderX หลายเดือนก่อน

      they were given a sample to review. he didnt buy it and they didnt want it back

  • @bgrossish
    @bgrossish 29 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I'm really liking the intro being back on the latest videos.

  • @erlandjohansen7195
    @erlandjohansen7195 26 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Linus' voice: It could change our thumbnail practices!
    Linus' face: It 100% won't, because we absolutely know what the testing will show

  • @gregorypaulding7183
    @gregorypaulding7183 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    Praise be to Emily nice job!!!

  • @daniegamin
    @daniegamin หลายเดือนก่อน +21

    8:17 Ayy, Emily mention! Glad she's shill with y'all last time she want in a video a bunch of people were assholes and I'm glad they didn't scare her off. ❤❤

  • @barnysgaming
    @barnysgaming หลายเดือนก่อน

    ive seen so many of those 16gb Optane sticks failing or causing issues with PC's and laptops. I used to keeps them and had about 30 at one point.

  • @grdprojekt
    @grdprojekt หลายเดือนก่อน

    Funny that, I just rewatched the unboxing video yesterday and wondered where the 2nd part is.

  • @SplurginSergeon
    @SplurginSergeon หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Is this you writing off Intel's write off?

  • @RadialSeeker113
    @RadialSeeker113 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    8:00 true enthusiasts go through every single setting in every sub menu. Just like they do with games, dram overclocks, their router or even a bios. Not going though the entire bios on something worth $150k is ridiculous. And I'm saying this as someone who has done over 5 dozen server builds since epyc gen 1

    • @julkkis666
      @julkkis666 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Exactly this. This was the first thing i did when i got my fujitsu system.

  • @excellent1713
    @excellent1713 29 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Man, I hate forgetting about my 150,000 server. Knowing I'm not the only one makes me less embarrassed, thx linus😘

  • @tassadarforaiur
    @tassadarforaiur หลายเดือนก่อน

    Dcpmm is really interesting now that compatible servers are on the used market. Would love to see a video about how that memory works for truenas caching

  • @prodbymalek
    @prodbymalek หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    10k views fell off

    • @acornexpresspro230
      @acornexpresspro230 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Malek it hasn’t even been a hour yet

    • @prodbymalek
      @prodbymalek หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@acornexpresspro230 joke

  • @jamopopper
    @jamopopper หลายเดือนก่อน +16

    another Emily mention at 8:14 !! cant wait to see her in videos again if she chooses to!!

  • @stoneylonely6416
    @stoneylonely6416 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Love Linus! LOL great vid as always

  • @ThatGamePerson
    @ThatGamePerson หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Emily lives!!!! Mentioned at 8:14. I hope things are going swell for them!
    Also, I think this might be dope for like a Redis cache but, I have a hard time coming up with better use cases.

    • @shortboard_89
      @shortboard_89 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      I hope Emily can make a regular return to the screen soon but I understand why she might not want to.

  • @KidoKatsuragi
    @KidoKatsuragi หลายเดือนก่อน

    Yeah, those 16G nvme sticks are perfect for zfs write cache in your DYI NAS.

  • @jeffclark5206
    @jeffclark5206 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I would love a server like that for our indie game dev team. Would make a lot of tasks so much faster omg.

  • @DamianTheFirst
    @DamianTheFirst หลายเดือนก่อน

    hate when it happens. Last week I found my 200k server that fell behind by bookcase and I completely forgot about it. I know your pain, bro
    in all seriousness - yesterday YT recommended me to watch unboxing of this device, so I was really surprised to see part 2 today

  • @wildhogOW
    @wildhogOW 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Ahh, yes, casually forgetting about a $150.000 server, like forgetting about the $40 order from Amazon a week ago.