He really is. I've been playing 25 years and he makes me look like an amateur, in a good way. Such nuance, feel and flawless technique. That's years of dedication right there. Rob if you're reading this, more Brandon and you hosting these shows please!
I want him to talk about the dulcimer, its a really cool instrument that blends many different styles of stringed instruments into one. They are somewhat popular here in the Appalachian mountains. The fret board isnt uniform, it goes up in whole steps and half steps. You can use a wooden peg to strike the strings, or to use like fretting peg, or like a capo. There is alot of variation in them and theres alot of variation in styles of playing / tuning, especially when compared to the European dulcimer. Im still learning about them but i find them more fun to play than guitar in some ways. Chords are really fun to play and its easier i think for beginners.
When Brandon started playing that lute it became apparent that the dude can shred. I think he'd sound great. Rob, make it happen. Edit: here he is 'metalising' some bach on an electric. Pretty beefy tone too. th-cam.com/video/EOmQOaB9l-c/w-d-xo.html
Brandon’s acting skills are just as good as his guitar skills. When he explains the history of the instruments, it really seems like he wasn’t there during their creation. Perfection
This guy is not just a historian with loads of interesting and sensible theoretical knowledge. He's a really amazing musician too. Flawless technique and astonishing sensitive dynamic expression. And with such a nice humble personality. Respect
Rob is actually a really good interviewer for this reason. He lets the experts explain without annoying interruptions, and just let's his curiosity lead his questions.
Your comment reminds me of a film “Only lovers left alive”! Do you intend to use this as your reference? 😚 the protagonist Adam is a musician and a vampire
The oud song in the 4:58 is called "Uskudara Gider Iken", is a folk song from Ottoman Era composed by Dimitri Kantemiroğlu. Fun fact it's melody is also sampled in Boney M's Rasputin.
There's also a greek version of the song (as Greece was under Ottoman rule for over 400 years there are actually many greek songs that share a similar 'origin story'). The greek version is called "Απο ξένο τόπο" (=apo xeno topo), which roughly translates to "From a foreign land". Here's a lovely version from Katerina Papadopoulou, where you can hear the characteristic oud in the backing track: th-cam.com/video/BFkWk5cCrYE/w-d-xo.html
@@billkoul9780 what do you not understand? Centuries = 100 years ; Decade = 10 years....hell the joke works better with centuries considering these instruments where invented centuries ago and not decades per se
2:00 Arabic Oud (1000s of years ago) 9:18 The Renaissance Lute (1500s) 22:23 The Renaissance Guitar (1500s) 27:07 The Baroque Guitar (1600s) 33:18 19th Century Guitar (around 1800) 44:05 The Classical Guitar (around 1850) 50:30 The Modern Acoustic (around 1850)
This oud is made in Syria, by Ibrahim Al-Suker ( yes it mean sugar ) It tells you where his business address, my family is a musical family and we take oud very seriously, so every one of us gets one Oud made by Mr. Al Suker, every oud musician in middle east knows that he is the guy you go too to get your perfectly made Oud, their business is very old
In fact, the firs time oud was used by Turkish people around 600s. Arabics “lives in Bagdat Irac” see the oud from Turkish people. The music in video played by oud is turkish music in Ottoman empire. Song is Üsküdara Gider iken. Sorry for my english
i can give u a scale that have a quarter note to try in guitar : this is called Bayat: starts with : D E(quarter: u can achieve it by bending the E note a quarter bend ) F G A Bb C D , have fun
Indeed. He hinted at Barbat, predecessor of Arabic Oud, which still exists of course. It sounds very similar to Oud. Here’s a piece played with Barbat: th-cam.com/video/Hp-jyMa1f-o/w-d-xo.html
@@NaderHGhanbari thank you. I'm learning on a Tertis viola on how to do luthier work but I'm gonna have to add that to a list of instruments I want to make. I want to make the rarer instruments more readily available. The shop for someone who wants to do more than play a guitar or violin. I played cello personally and aside from it being as big as me it was wonderful. So getting the similar sound on something much lighter has me excited.
I have a kid (16) that I took to a party with me once, couldn't leave him home... There was a banjo in the corner, he asked if he could play it, I told him to ask the owner... He did, strummed it twice, and played battery... It was insane... He has his own channel on here... Hes been playing for a little over a year now.
I got so nostalgic for the oud, my sister used to play it a lot and hearing it again brings me back to the days I remember her practicing so much in her room oh gosh she played it so well too
Timestamps for each instrument (and some jams!): Arabic Oud (thousands of years ago): 1:53 - Oud jam: 4:58 & around 6:09 Renaissance Lute (the 1500s): 8:40 - Rob jamming at 18:44 Renaissance Guitar (the 1500s): 22:22 - Jam at 25:33 Baroque Guitar (the 1600s): 26:55 19th Century Guitar: 33:11 - 37:14 , 39:27, 40:45 , 41:58 (Romanza and more) Classical Guitar (around 1850): 44:02 - 45:38 and Recuerdos de la Alhambra at 46:39 The modern acoustic (around 1850): 50:30 - 51:15 , 52:22
“Instruments don’t get better and better, they just change with our changing aesthetic” Beautifully said. I also love how Brandon looks like an unassuming Clark Kent type, while really he’s the Superman of guitar
In 1992 I was assigned to an air base in Southern Spain. Although an air base ,we had 48 USAF, yet 50 US Navy. One of the Navy guys had wheedled, cajoled, begged and somehow got assigned to this tiny base. The reason was because it was near one of 13 living flamenco guitar masters whom he hoped to apprentice under. After much finagling and some months he got an audition. After less than 30 seconds, the master shut him down and told him he needed more practice. This went on every few months. Finally, after almost a year, the master accepted him as a student. I asked him why he was so obsessed with this. His answer, he's a metal head, but after hearing flamenco, decided that if you can play flamenco well, you can play anything. Idk if true, but the guy extended his tour and was still studying under the master when I left.
Flamenco is very different than anything else... They have their own bars, rhythms, scales, harmonies and even notation. The guitar method is also totally different. So not sure if you can adapt it to play anything else except flamenco.
@@framegrace1 Yeah. That statement indicates a mechanical mindset. That’s like saying if you can play like Eddy Van Halen you can play like Freddy King. That way of thinking seems ridiculous to me. He might be right in some alternate dimension I’m unaware of but when I used to listen to Flamenco I found it interesting and those guys are amazing but it seems like an isolated style to me. I don’t see it connected to anything of what we consider “American” music for sure. I remember learning to play Maleguena (?) when I was fifteen or so and although it was fun for awhile I eventually started just telling people It was too hard and ...no... I can’t play that. I think it’s about as boring as playing “Hang on Sloopy”. What do you actually do after the first couple minutes....go faster. Bleh. Boring.
The song he played on the Oud is called “Uskudara gider iken” which translates to “On my way to Uskudar” which is where I live now in Istanbul, Turkey. Our musical culture still utilizes Oud a lot and I also admire it. It amazes me that he knows this song.
As an older guy trying to learn how to play, I found this to have a wealth of information about playing. As a former history teacher, this touched a whole different set of interests!
@@minstorm It's hard not to jam on a guitar while it's in your hands, especially if your good. When someone is talking you just wanna let go and fucking shred that baby. And don't be an asshole just because the moment is right for you to call someone stupid.
Can't lie that every time Brandon comes into a Rob's video I get a massive grin anticipating a really informative video and a beautiful performance by both of them. But as everyone in the comments says... I seriously would love to see Brandon get some chugga chugga on those T H I C C strings with distortion.
I think it was more like they started with fingers before recording the history, but when they found out that a thin and flexible material made a clearer sound than soft flesh they made that the norm from then on
"The English word guitar, the German Gitarre, and the French guitare were adopted from the Spanish guitarra, which comes from the Andalusian Arabic قيثارة qitara, itself derived from the Latin cithara, which in turn came from the Ancient Greek κιθάρα kithara, and is thought to ultimately trace back to the Old Persian language Tar, which means string in Persian.
Char - 4 , tar - string. Nowadays persian music still relies heavily on Setar (a derivation of chartar) and just Tar, an hourglass shaped modernized version of Setar.
36:14 I'm now completely convinced that Brandon is a vampire that dedicated his immortal life to music. I can totally see him in the streets of Vienna, in the 19th century, playing guitar just to make everybody flip over it. There's no way he was not involved in the "intense" mania that went around at the time. No. Way.
Two knowledgeable and knowledge seeking young men bringing their shared love of the guitar to a wonderfully refreshing conversation . Well done gentlemen! A stunning example of something for ‘both edification and delectation.’
Timestamps: 2:00 The Arabic Oud 9:17 The Renaissance Lute 22:23 The Renaissance Guitar 27:07 The Baroque Guitar 33:17 19th Century Guitar/Stauffer Guitar 44:05 The Classical Guitar 49:30 19th Century Guitar (Again) 50:30 The Modern Acoustic
@@endritloshi It reminded me a Greek song which is based on this tune called "Απο ξένο τόπο". Edited the comment cause i found this The title of this song is : 1. Üsküdara Gider'iken (Turkish) 2. Ya Banat Iskandaria (Lebanese) 3. Talama Ashku Gharami (Arabic) 4. Fel Shara (European) 5. Apo Kseno Topo (Greek) 6. Alangkah Indah di Waktu Pagi (Malay) 7. Sukhno Patar Nupur (Bangla) 8. Rasputin - Boney M
Every time you feature this guy in a video I so thoroughly enjoy it. He is so well spoken, so knowledgeable… and he fuckin shreds. Hats off to him and to you! Thank you for all your hard work!
I love this! Instead of a regular interview where it's almost scripted and super formal, this is two people who love music and guitars and are talking so passionately about it. You can tell that they're both really interested in the history of guitars and how things used to be made and played. I love it :)
the regions for the half flat sounds: In Turkey, the half flat is known for having a slightly sharp sound, giving an upbeat and happy sound in the Arab world, the half flat is in the Middle, having a neutral sound In Iran and countries with Iranian influence, the half flat has a flatter sound, giving a more dramatic and slightly sad sound
tbh the music really sounds cool and awesome but my ears accustomed to western scales just find it to be out of tune. like my brain and eyes are fighting.
Wait wait wait. Hol up. Does that mean you’re dividing the semi tone, into its like own 12 note octave. Like within that one section you’ve got another whole scale length. I think you’ve just completely changed how I think about micro tones. I need to experiment with this.
Like the flat sadder micro tone would be like the minor third up, And the brighter tone would be like a major 6th up and the neutral tone up would be like a 4th or a 5th up from the bottom of the semi tone. If the semi tone was now a new scale length. I’m honestly so curious about how to use this in a musical way. Like could you make a chord a microtonal major / minor, by using subtle differences in the ways you tune your microtones in the chord even if the chord was all the same note, arranged in slightly sharper + slightly flatter arrangements? 🤔
@@xyzyzx1253 This is mostly based on another video about a turkish guitar where he talks about middle eastern music and the differences in the tones based on location
I've always wondered what it would be like to go back in time, like a thousand years ago, and play 'Stairway to Heaven' on one of these early guitars. How would people react to it back then? Would they think that it was an amazing song or just an average sounding guitar song?
Guitar Lessons BobbyCrispy They probably would be more afraid of the time traveling corporate copyright lawyers that would show up before you hit a single string and dragged you away.
Guitar Lessons BobbyCrispy Ah Yes, a rendition of “Stairway” and you would be drawn and quartered....your head on a Pike at the entrance of the castle as people lined up for the Knights of the Oud Pageant...opened up by the Lute Brothers....all sacred music, of course.
I used to think great music is objective, and so can be universally understood as great. How could you not feel that way when listening to a great song? But these says I think it's all cultural stuff that makes up appreciate one song (performance) over another. We can't even agree about this with people from our time, let alone from a thousand years ago.
How do U feel (as a historian) that he clinched so hard just NOT to mention the word "Persia" while, mentioning persian words, instruments and shoving Greek there somehow?? 😆 As a Persian I really wanna know... btw Mesopotamian empire was the largest in ancient world right? I have to go feed my Mesopotamian cat!
The maker of this Oud (Ibrahim Sukkar) is actually a Syrian from my city of Aleppo (edited) ... and I have met him in person once in Syria when I bought my own Oud ... I am so amazed that you could obtain one in the USA. I am also impressed of how agile and fluid you sound in this quite foreign style of Music ... Salutations to you Brandon Acker. Ps: the decoration around the instrument is called Damascene Mosaic ... also very authentic to Syria and later on to parts of Andalucia in Spain.
I find it fascinating for some reason that after playing, they tend to say "Something like that". It's super relatable as a guitarist and I never noticed it until now.
Re: end of video There's a youtube channel called Five Watt World which does "short history" videos of guitar models and stuff like that and the video on the Les Paul does talk about the beginnings of the solidbody, along with the Telecaster video. And also, the P Bass video talks about the beginnings of the electric bass, nice bonus. Now we just need a video on lab steel guitar because what are those even. You're welcome.
I regret waiting over a week to watch this. I should have known Brandon would be involved. There’s been a bunch of videos on the history of the guitar-this is by FAR the most interesting. Having them all right in front of you, being played by someone who is not only knowledgeable but also PERSONABLE. This has become one of my favorite videos.
This is one of the best pieces of content on the entire internet. History, technology, beautiful music and craftsmanship all tied together nicely. Kudos!
The History of Keyboard Instruments would be great! There is already a TH-cam video on the subject but it’s a bit dry and not very entertaining. I’d love to see Rob cover it…
Rob and Brandon are the perfect hosts for this kind of video. There's a wealth of knowledge from Brandon, and Rob is like us as the every man learning about these archaic brilliant instruments for the first time, except playing them better than the average everyman could. I learnt loads watching this and found it a genuine pleasure. Should be required viewing for any student of the guitar regardless of experience level and genre.
very nice overview. One important omission - the vihuela. The vihuela was a six course, double strung instrument very popular in Spain in particular from the 15th century on. Equal temperament was necessitated by keyboard instruments, since each string had to play one note and you couldn't stop and retune it for each key - so it needed equal temperament. This predated metal frets on the guitar.
There are VERY few - even exponents of the guitar - who could pick up (in both senses ) an instrument and in just a few minutes of exposition and demonstration, play with such alacrity, precision and invention. Take a bow Rob - a very deep bow
Ive been watching Brandon's channel since his first appearance way back and im always glad when he returns. Yall guys should one day talk about the dulcimer. I play one and had family members that play these cool instruments in the Appalachian mountains and its shocking to know many guitar players are unaware of them. Their history is a bit confusing and fuzzy too, its hard to really pinpoint their lineage exactly.
Just wanted to thank Brandon for showing us that there's a whole repertoire of renaissance guitar music we can learn on Ukulele. I learned how to read french style renaissance tablature last night after watching this. Time to practice some Adrian Le Roy
I like how Brandon plays on each instrument the style of music that used to be played on it in the time and region each one of them was invented. And I like how Rob can pick up any of them and start playing just like that.
What he's trying to say is "Tar ('ta:r)" which is still a traditional musical instrument in Iran, along with Setar and Tanbour. These are still played in Iran and have evolved in unique ways.
It was really pleasant to watch someone who is skilled with closely related instruments see what he could do on these things without being shy about it. Something about how it sounded good enough for a casual listener to enjoy despite still feeling very spontaneous and casual
What a fun video. I have been a guitar player for 35 years and this kind of information was just never available to me if I didn't spend hours in a library reading stacks of books. Thank you, young guitar lovers.
This is actually my second time watching this. Every time I watch it I’m so fascinated, the way he explains everything with so much passion just grabs my attention.
Aw, man. Recuerdos De La Alhambra was the last piece I worked on with my guitar teacher, when he died. That one hit me right in the feels. Such a beautiful piece.
I think the thing I love most about this is just how much fun they’re having. None of it is perfect in any sense. They’re just laughing and having fun playing awesome instruments.
Every musician after playing in front of people: "something like that"
Its just like those disclaimers on movies based on real events hahah
th-cam.com/video/3monhfeqoqa/w-d-xo.html
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amazing 😆 so true
always sounds better in your head
"I don't know what year exactly it was made" good save Vampire
😂😂 love this commment
Best comment!
Well he can't say it was made infront of him 😁😁
I picked this up... oh shit... I meant to say...
I shouldn’t do this.... but I can confirm he is one of us.
I will NEVER get tired of Brandon being featured on this channel. He is an absolute JOY to listen to
He has so much knowledge of the guitar, it's intriguing to hear someone who's talking about something they're passionate about.
He really is. I've been playing 25 years and he makes me look like an amateur, in a good way. Such nuance, feel and flawless technique. That's years of dedication right there.
Rob if you're reading this, more Brandon and you hosting these shows please!
If you are interested in his playing you can go to his channel, he posted a lot of videos
@@tranthien3932 Oh I did, and what a skilled performer he is too. Really loses himself in the moment. ❤️
I enjoy listening to people who naturally grin while they talk. He has natural joy for music. Which is soo helpful for teachers.
Blows the mind to know that Brandon actually witnessed himself how the guitar evolved throughout the centuries.
He's my favorite vampire
@@Mothpuff Mine too!
Never realized he was the guy that's always in the back in those old renaissance paintings.
For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. John 3:16
@@spicydramarama852 yeah then he came back as vampire and is in this youtube video, we know this already
Brandon is such a cool dude.
His knowledge blows me away, even if he wasn’t also a fantastic musician.
I want him to talk about the dulcimer, its a really cool instrument that blends many different styles of stringed instruments into one. They are somewhat popular here in the Appalachian mountains. The fret board isnt uniform, it goes up in whole steps and half steps. You can use a wooden peg to strike the strings, or to use like fretting peg, or like a capo. There is alot of variation in them and theres alot of variation in styles of playing / tuning, especially when compared to the European dulcimer. Im still learning about them but i find them more fun to play than guitar in some ways. Chords are really fun to play and its easier i think for beginners.
Such a hunk
Breaking Benjamin blow me away starts playing
Yeah, it's too bad he's associated with the worst album of the century ("Nostaliga Critic's The Wall")
Brandon is also incredibly humble and the least pretentious person I've ever seen with THIS much knowledge.
Who else really wants to see Brandon play Rob's 8 string and 9 string
Oh my goodness yes!!🤩
Brandon actually played metal in his youth!
@@abdul-lateefismail1601 yep, in his youth back in 1680 on the theorbo.
@@hannahjohnson4582 lol
When Brandon started playing that lute it became apparent that the dude can shred. I think he'd sound great. Rob, make it happen.
Edit: here he is 'metalising' some bach on an electric. Pretty beefy tone too. th-cam.com/video/EOmQOaB9l-c/w-d-xo.html
Brandon’s acting skills are just as good as his guitar skills. When he explains the history of the instruments, it really seems like he wasn’t there during their creation. Perfection
Fucking guitar vampire
@@Rex-golf_player810 haha
Brandon is actually another Timelord that miraculously doesn’t have a British accent. You can see it in his style, he HAS to be a time traveler.
There can only be one
The dude abides!
This guy is not just a historian with loads of interesting and sensible theoretical knowledge. He's a really amazing musician too. Flawless technique and astonishing sensitive dynamic expression. And with such a nice humble personality. Respect
100%. his playing was virtuosic on basically every instrument, dude has put in some serious practice time for sure.
@@chase2337 Because he's a vampire. Pretty easy to put in serious practice when you have centuries to do so.
I wish he was my Professor 😢
@@Matthew_Klepadlo Same bro, he seems like such a cool guy.
His personality is so warm and inviting it makes me almost uncomfortable.
I like how these videos are 90% Rob letting Brandon take the reigns and 10% Rob killing it on instruments he's holding for the first time.
Rob is actually a really good interviewer for this reason. He lets the experts explain without annoying interruptions, and just let's his curiosity lead his questions.
@@Thefloorislava115 Yh, that's because he does not have to manage any time in the show and he doesn't have any agenda behind his interviews.
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They all sound bad when Rob plays them though
And then brandon getting all embarrassed lol that's the best part
Brandon: "So we have a softer, more mellow sou-"
Rob being Rob: *plays flamenco*
E. O. They’re referring to 43:00
Guyss its very short but im sure its a song do you know which song is it 41:00
@Drakon thank you dude
😂
Was looking for this comment loll
I would not be surprised if Brandon Acker was actually an immortal vampire that has lived through all of these epochs himself
Well if he's a musical vampire he can't be *that* evil. :D
It was DIO all along!
Your comment reminds me of a film “Only lovers left alive”! Do you intend to use this as your reference? 😚 the protagonist Adam is a musician and a vampire
Interview With The Guitarist.
No, you are thinking of Laszlo Cravensworth from the TV show What We Do in the Shadows
The oud song in the 4:58 is called "Uskudara Gider Iken", is a folk song from Ottoman Era composed by Dimitri Kantemiroğlu. Fun fact it's melody is also sampled in Boney M's Rasputin.
OHHHHH i was listening and was like "this is NOT arabic music" and i was wondering what it was but that's so helpful thank you!!!
@@tibbarnogard8404 My pleasure!
@@tibbarnogard8404 it's maybe not Arabic music but it still a Arabic instrument
There's also a greek version of the song (as Greece was under Ottoman rule for over 400 years there are actually many greek songs that share a similar 'origin story'). The greek version is called "Απο ξένο τόπο" (=apo xeno topo), which roughly translates to "From a foreign land". Here's a lovely version from Katerina Papadopoulou, where you can hear the characteristic oud in the backing track: th-cam.com/video/BFkWk5cCrYE/w-d-xo.html
@@ion9386 thank you!!!
I like how Brandon simply tell the history of his instrument that he made decades ago.
*centuries ago
Siegfried Ikr
*sarcasm overload*
@@watakoe there's a running joke that he's a vampire
@@billkoul9780 what do you not understand? Centuries = 100 years ; Decade = 10 years....hell the joke works better with centuries considering these instruments where invented centuries ago and not decades per se
He never researched any of this, he LIVED it.
2:00 Arabic Oud (1000s of years ago)
9:18 The Renaissance Lute (1500s)
22:23 The Renaissance Guitar (1500s)
27:07 The Baroque Guitar (1600s)
33:18 19th Century Guitar (around 1800)
44:05 The Classical Guitar (around 1850)
50:30 The Modern Acoustic (around 1850)
The saviour
God🙏🙏
Thankyou.🙇♂️🙇♂️🙇♂️
Thank g ur a real one they should of done this
Please do the same on all maths lecture that u find... Thanks in advance
This oud is made in Syria, by Ibrahim Al-Suker ( yes it mean sugar )
It tells you where his business address, my family is a musical family and we take oud very seriously, so every one of us gets one Oud made by Mr. Al Suker, every oud musician in middle east knows that he is the guy you go too to get your perfectly made Oud, their business is very old
@Bilal Ibrahim chill out, he is talking about the maker sticker inside the instrument.
@@prettyBANG27 indeed. I'm an Arab and can read the sticker.
23 thats really fucking cool
@Bilal Ibrahim He meant the oud they were playing in the video, not that it was invented in syria
That's really cool
This video shall be mandatory for all music schools. His knowledge and repertoire blows me away. What a treasure of talent.
2:00 Arabic Oud (around 700)
9:21 The Renaissance Lute (1500s)
22:25 The Renaissance Guitar (1500s)
27:07 The Baroque Guitar (around 1600 - 1750)
33:20 19th Century Guitar (1800s)
44:08 Classical Guitar (around 1820)
50:33 The Modern Acoustic (around 1850)
Thanks
Doing the lord's work, my friend.
In fact, the firs time oud was used by Turkish people around 600s. Arabics “lives in Bagdat Irac” see the oud from Turkish people. The music in video played by oud is turkish music in Ottoman empire. Song is Üsküdara Gider iken. Sorry for my english
And Turks(turkish people) are not arabic
@@tipitip374 from what I know the first "oud" was Persian before Turkic tribes even left central Asia
I’m about 90% sure Brandon is a vampire who’s been around since the Medieval Ages.
"Interview....." they're telling us too much.
I thought he looked like a vampire too
He does look interestingly attractive like all those high society vampires... Hmmm...
@@maldivirdragonwitch gaaaay
*Nosferatu would like to know your location*
Every guitar player should watch this. What a fantastic job. Loved it! 👍👍👍
Anderson’s tv!!
Hi lee
Hi Cap!
I read this as “every guitar should watch this”.
@@bones2430 😄
Time stamps for my fav pieces of each instrument they played:
Arabic oud: 4:58 6:47
Renaissance lute: 12:50 21:32
Renaissance Guitar: 23:41 25:43
Baroque Guitar: 28:36 30:01
19th century Guitar: 38:48 42:10
Classical Guitar: 46:38 45:43
Modern Guitar: 51:16 52:38
Thanks :)
What is the one at 25:43?
the one at 42:10 is an MCR song off of their first album, it’s the interlude!
@@mackenziestanley3280 i cant tell if youre serious but if you are, its really not. Its a spanish romance from a very long time ago
@@manuschulz1761 what was its name again?
I'm an OUD player who is converting to electric guitar, OUD is amazing very natural sounding , Oud gives a very different feeling than a guitar
the half flat notes we call them a quarter notes, u can identify the most famous Arabic scales using scales that have quarter notes in them
i can give u a scale that have a quarter note to try in guitar : this is called Bayat: starts with : D E(quarter: u can achieve it by bending the E note a quarter bend ) F G A Bb C D , have fun
That's cool
@@anuvette yea it is, thanks for ur appreciation
Awesome, sir. Surley you will have a unique way of playing due to your first experience with al oud!
The Oud is such a thing of beauty
👍
Indeed. He hinted at Barbat, predecessor of Arabic Oud, which still exists of course. It sounds very similar to Oud. Here’s a piece played with Barbat: th-cam.com/video/Hp-jyMa1f-o/w-d-xo.html
@@NaderHGhanbari thank you. I'm learning on a Tertis viola on how to do luthier work but I'm gonna have to add that to a list of instruments I want to make. I want to make the rarer instruments more readily available. The shop for someone who wants to do more than play a guitar or violin. I played cello personally and aside from it being as big as me it was wonderful. So getting the similar sound on something much lighter has me excited.
you can easily buy it, its still a common enstrument in Turkey and you can find some online courses to learn it too
check out Simon Shaheen. he teaches at Berklee School of Music
my man here trying to make it sound like he didn't live through the times these instruments were popular
brandon = vampire is easily the best meme of 2020
Some kind of historian would certainly be the best (or at least one of the best) things for a vampire to do.
as a middle eastren, it makes me so happy seeing people appreciate part of our culture. love ur channel, keep up the great work!
Thank you very much for the guitar.
I love seeing the joy on someone's face when they're explaining a topic that they're passionate about
Same
Brandon is such a knowledgeable person on top of being a world class player.
Vampire
and unfairly handsome
*Aliens come down to Earth*
"We have brought an instrument that no human has ever seen!"
*Rob*
"Ah lemme give that a shot! :D"
*Plays Metallica*
Nothing wrong with Metallica 😁
So long as it's a chordophone. I'm not so sure how he'd go with wind or brass, he might need half an hour or so to figure it out.
I have a kid (16) that I took to a party with me once, couldn't leave him home...
There was a banjo in the corner, he asked if he could play it, I told him to ask the owner... He did, strummed it twice, and played battery... It was insane...
He has his own channel on here... Hes been playing for a little over a year now.
aliens: whoa!
Dwayno Willi whats his channel?
im doing a report on the history of guitar and this just gave me about 4 pages worth of content. so glad i found this and yes i did cite the video
What grade did you get?
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@@OfficialPanamaTH-camChannel Damn gj
Yoooooo!!!
Not fair
That's a pretty cool thing about lute players...
That they're spies?!
Yeah-
*ad plays*
I'm dying
James bond playing a lute now I got that image in mind the films will not seem the same
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so cool! I guess that's why Bards in videogames like Dragon Age are spy/rogue classes?
The historian guy very well may be....a vampire. How else is he so good at all the different instruments
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anytime a guitarist plays in front of people: something like that 🤷♂️
My god you are correct my good sir...
So true lmao
Haha I always say “something like that idk I’m working on it” haha
Was this copy or did someone did that?
as an Arab listening to this 4:58 was so amazing
the oud is one of the best instrument in the whole world ... u can feel the sadness in his tuns
You know the name of that piece?
@@uralkale th-cam.com/video/r9No8kVSXqQ/w-d-xo.html
@@hamzealawneh2812 thank you
@@uralkale I think the song is called tolama ashku gharami, it's very hard to find a good version online.
@@uralkale "katibim"
I got so nostalgic for the oud, my sister used to play it a lot and hearing it again brings me back to the days I remember her practicing so much in her room oh gosh she played it so well too
Brandon slipped up "do you remember how music was notated before standardized notation....tabs" confirmed vampire 48:50
I think thats the wrong time
@@damaygo1742 thanks, fixed the time stamp.
but the real question is the choice of words. why would he ask if he remembers? 🤔
Brandon says, do you remember, because it’s something he already told him about to Rob.
@@ltambrosekurt2 He's a teacher, duh, like asking if he remembered about gut strings. You must go through life baffled a lot.
5,000 years of dropping picks inside the guitar.
4300 years ago was the great flood, so where are your guitars from before that?
@@commentfreely5443 and on the seventh day, God said let there be waterproof guitars. /s
@@commentfreely5443 the bible isnt historical history
@@commentfreely5443 good luck with that one man. Maybe catch up with science and then try again.
They put 2 on the Ark
Timestamps for each instrument (and some jams!):
Arabic Oud (thousands of years ago): 1:53
- Oud jam: 4:58 & around 6:09
Renaissance Lute (the 1500s): 8:40
- Rob jamming at 18:44
Renaissance Guitar (the 1500s): 22:22
- Jam at 25:33
Baroque Guitar (the 1600s): 26:55
19th Century Guitar: 33:11
- 37:14 , 39:27, 40:45 , 41:58 (Romanza and more)
Classical Guitar (around 1850): 44:02
- 45:38 and Recuerdos de la Alhambra at 46:39
The modern acoustic (around 1850): 50:30
- 51:15 , 52:22
Do you know what song Rob was playing at around 42:30?
@@SirRelith Romanza
the song played on the oud around 4:58 is called "Katibim" or "Üsküdara Gideriken"
Bless you mate!
Hey umm anyone here knows what Rob played at 43:02
“Instruments don’t get better and better, they just change with our changing aesthetic”
Beautifully said. I also love how Brandon looks like an unassuming Clark Kent type, while really he’s the Superman of guitar
In 1992 I was assigned to an air base in Southern Spain. Although an air base ,we had 48 USAF, yet 50 US Navy.
One of the Navy guys had wheedled, cajoled, begged and somehow got assigned to this tiny base.
The reason was because it was near one of 13 living flamenco guitar masters whom he hoped to apprentice under.
After much finagling and some months he got an audition. After less than 30 seconds, the master shut him down and told him he needed more practice. This went on every few months. Finally, after almost a year, the master accepted him as a student.
I asked him why he was so obsessed with this.
His answer, he's a metal head, but after hearing flamenco, decided that if you can play flamenco well, you can play anything.
Idk if true, but the guy extended his tour and was still studying under the master when I left.
Flamenco is very different than anything else... They have their own bars, rhythms, scales, harmonies and even notation. The guitar method is also totally different. So not sure if you can adapt it to play anything else except flamenco.
@@framegrace1 robert trujillo dude
Rota air force base?
@@framegrace1 Yeah. That statement indicates a mechanical mindset. That’s like saying if you can play like Eddy Van Halen you can play like Freddy King. That way of thinking seems ridiculous to me. He might be right in some alternate dimension I’m unaware of but when I used to listen to Flamenco I found it interesting and those guys are amazing but it seems like an isolated style to me. I don’t see it connected to anything of what we consider “American” music for sure. I remember learning to play Maleguena (?) when I was fifteen or so and although it was fun for awhile I eventually started just telling people It was too hard and ...no... I can’t play that. I think it’s about as boring as playing “Hang on Sloopy”. What do you actually do after the first couple minutes....go faster. Bleh. Boring.
@@framegrace1 "if you can adapt to this unique style of play you can't adapt to anything." -you
Lute players, tuning down half a millenia before metal guitarists
Don't forget that a lot of baroque music was played with A = 415, rather than A = 440.
@@resourcedragon damn that's pretty metal
History repeats itself
thy art is murder could have been baroque music
The song he played on the Oud is called “Uskudara gider iken” which translates to “On my way to Uskudar” which is where I live now in Istanbul, Turkey.
Our musical culture still utilizes Oud a lot and I also admire it. It amazes me that he knows this song.
I've danced to that song!
He is an incredible musician
Thank you so much for sharing :D
Hes a vampire who was a spy clearly.
thank you for sharing. I love the beautiful arabic culture in turkey
As an older guy trying to learn how to play, I found this to have a wealth of information about playing. As a former history teacher, this touched a whole different set of interests!
Could we all just take a minute to respect the discipline Rob has to not play with the guitar as Brandon is talking
Ah like everyone except really autistic people learn in kindergarden. Don't make noise when someone is talking, very hard I know
@@minstorm
The people who do it are inconsiderate. They know they're not supposed to, they just don't care.
And vice-versa, dude!
@@minstorm It's hard not to jam on a guitar while it's in your hands, especially if your good. When someone is talking you just wanna let go and fucking shred that baby. And don't be an asshole just because the moment is right for you to call someone stupid.
I wouldn't be able to stop myself from playing some tasty blues licks on some thousand year old geetars
Can't lie that every time Brandon comes into a Rob's video I get a massive grin anticipating a really informative video and a beautiful performance by both of them. But as everyone in the comments says... I seriously would love to see Brandon get some chugga chugga on those T H I C C strings with distortion.
Imagine him playing on the 10 string.
This is why TH-cam has value. Buried amid all the idiocy you can find an informative gem like this.
Totally underrated comment !
And it’s free!!!
@@bcc5701 it’s free because you are the product
@@monika.alt197 open source exists
@@gunaodegaia9082 open source what? Yt ain't open source
Bro i'm an arabic musician and let's say that he's veeeery good on the oud bro really nailed it ❤ ( the guy with the white shirt )
I love how rob picks up an instrument he has never played and instantly plays it like he has been playing it since1509.
Who says he hasn't
... if you play guitar and you can use your fingers or a pick to other instruments... you can play them. its not rocket science
@@ceevee1646 You could just laugh at the obvious joke.
He's actually an immortal vampire, and isn't learning so much as remembering how to play.
My dad could do that. I saw him pick up a Sax one day and play it. He had never touched one before.
Unfortunately I didn't get that gene from him.
Okay, so what we have learned: pick was before the fingers. Tabs were before the standard notation.
Ya that makes no sense
I think it was more like they started with fingers before recording the history, but when they found out that a thin and flexible material made a clearer sound than soft flesh they made that the norm from then on
Mind blown
Also 9 string guitars came before 6 strings
@@leepicpizza BTW When we went to steel string Guitars we regained the pick.
"The English word guitar, the German Gitarre, and the French guitare were adopted from the Spanish guitarra, which comes from the Andalusian Arabic قيثارة qitara, itself derived from the Latin cithara, which in turn came from the Ancient Greek κιθάρα kithara, and is thought to ultimately trace back to the Old Persian language Tar, which means string in Persian.
Greeks hellenised Persian instrument called charTAR to kithara/chithara.
Char - 4 , tar - string. Nowadays persian music still relies heavily on Setar (a derivation of chartar) and just Tar, an hourglass shaped modernized version of Setar.
Complicated
inaccurate, the roots of the word are older than persian .. it’s old semitic word
@the virtuous man 👏🏼👌🏼
Wow the Oud really blew me away. Never expected it to sound so rich and cool.
Yeeee its what made me want it
And it’s still used today in Arabic music
If you like the Oud, I recommend listening to the kanun/Qanun as well, it is like a table harp, essentially. Beautiful sounds!
"Let there be guitar, and there was guitar"
- Bon Scott
Greatest rock n roll frontman of all time \m/
Western: Let us copy Muslims and arabs and there was a guitar
@@قناةالحقيقة-م8خ it's called taking inspiration from different cultures
@@قناةالحقيقة-م8خ
Guitar has nothing to do with muslims, NOTHING
36:14 I'm now completely convinced that Brandon is a vampire that dedicated his immortal life to music. I can totally see him in the streets of Vienna, in the 19th century, playing guitar just to make everybody flip over it. There's no way he was not involved in the "intense" mania that went around at the time.
No.
Way.
Let’s not forget that the guitar likely has its roots when an ancient hunter plucked the string of their bow, and realized it made a cool sound
Crazy
Ah yes
so.. the hunting bow is the orginal guitar
Probable, but also pure speculation.
That may have led to the harp.
Two knowledgeable and knowledge seeking young men bringing their shared love of the guitar to a wonderfully refreshing conversation .
Well done gentlemen! A stunning example of something for ‘both edification and delectation.’
Brandon Acker looks like what manga artists think musicians look like.
Also, strangely, lawyers.
Ikr
Mhm.
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Stolen comment but I'm liking it anyway because it's true 😅
"We're going to jam on all of them."
"No Stairway"
Gotta set those ground rules
Get our priorities straight
Timestamps:
2:00 The Arabic Oud
9:17 The Renaissance Lute
22:23 The Renaissance Guitar
27:07 The Baroque Guitar
33:17 19th Century Guitar/Stauffer Guitar
44:05 The Classical Guitar
49:30 19th Century Guitar (Again)
50:30 The Modern Acoustic
thanks mate😀
do u know the song played on the oud?
@@endritloshi It reminded me a Greek song which is based on this tune called "Απο ξένο τόπο". Edited the comment cause i found this The title of this song is :
1. Üsküdara Gider'iken (Turkish)
2. Ya Banat Iskandaria (Lebanese)
3. Talama Ashku Gharami (Arabic)
4. Fel Shara (European)
5. Apo Kseno Topo (Greek)
6. Alangkah Indah di Waktu Pagi (Malay)
7. Sukhno Patar Nupur (Bangla)
8. Rasputin - Boney M
@@anastasiswillson3527 Thank u very much friend
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Every time you feature this guy in a video I so thoroughly enjoy it. He is so well spoken, so knowledgeable… and he fuckin shreds. Hats off to him and to you! Thank you for all your hard work!
For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. John 3:16.
And the oud looks over and says, "Lute, I am your father..."
Lol
LOL
^ Underrated comment, right here.
“Give yourself... to the Dork side!”
😂😂😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
43:00
Brandon: So we have a softer more mellow sound
Rob: *Strums aggressively*
Brandon plays Oud.
Rob: Thats the music "you'd have been hearing at that time".
Brandon: Yeah
#immortalmusicianconfirmed
robs talent to just be able to play any string instrument he picks up is incredible
I love this! Instead of a regular interview where it's almost scripted and super formal, this is two people who love music and guitars and are talking so passionately about it. You can tell that they're both really interested in the history of guitars and how things used to be made and played. I love it :)
the regions for the half flat sounds:
In Turkey, the half flat is known for having a slightly sharp sound, giving an upbeat and happy sound
in the Arab world, the half flat is in the Middle, having a neutral sound
In Iran and countries with Iranian influence, the half flat has a flatter sound, giving a more dramatic and slightly sad sound
tbh the music really sounds cool and awesome but my ears accustomed to western scales just find it to be out of tune. like my brain and eyes are fighting.
Wait wait wait. Hol up.
Does that mean you’re dividing the semi tone, into its like own 12 note octave.
Like within that one section you’ve got another whole scale length.
I think you’ve just completely changed how I think about micro tones.
I need to experiment with this.
Like the flat sadder micro tone would be like the minor third up,
And the brighter tone would be like a major 6th up and the neutral tone up would be like a 4th or a 5th up from the bottom of the semi tone.
If the semi tone was now a new scale length.
I’m honestly so curious about how to use this in a musical way.
Like could you make a chord a microtonal major / minor, by using subtle differences in the ways you tune your microtones in the chord even if the chord was all the same note, arranged in slightly sharper + slightly flatter arrangements? 🤔
@@xyzyzx1253 This is mostly based on another video about a turkish guitar where he talks about middle eastern music and the differences in the tones based on location
Thanks !
I've always wondered what it would be like to go back in time, like a thousand years ago, and play 'Stairway to Heaven' on one of these early guitars. How would people react to it back then? Would they think that it was an amazing song or just an average sounding guitar song?
Guitar Lessons BobbyCrispy They probably would be more afraid of the time traveling corporate copyright lawyers that would show up before you hit a single string and dragged you away.
That's actually a really interesting question man
Guitar Lessons BobbyCrispy Ah Yes, a rendition of “Stairway” and you would be drawn and quartered....your head on a Pike at the entrance of the castle as people lined up for the Knights of the Oud Pageant...opened up by the Lute Brothers....all sacred music, of course.
I've always wondered the same thing. I bet they would would either love it or hate it.
I used to think great music is objective, and so can be universally understood as great. How could you not feel that way when listening to a great song?
But these says I think it's all cultural stuff that makes up appreciate one song (performance) over another. We can't even agree about this with people from our time, let alone from a thousand years ago.
As a musician and historian. This is incredibly exciting as you can hear the history right in front of you!
For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. John 3:16.
How do U feel (as a historian) that he clinched so hard just NOT to mention the word "Persia" while, mentioning persian words, instruments and shoving Greek there somehow?? 😆 As a Persian I really wanna know... btw Mesopotamian empire was the largest in ancient world right? I have to go feed my Mesopotamian cat!
@@upfront2375 he did mention Persia. Second/third instrument.
42:58
"So we have a softer more mellow sound."
*Proceeds to flamenco with the force of God.*
I was about to comment this hahahahaha
It never ceases to amaze me just how quickly Rob picks up on different instruments. It's definitely one of my favorite parts of this channel.
The maker of this Oud (Ibrahim Sukkar) is actually a Syrian from my city of Aleppo (edited) ... and I have met him in person once in Syria when I bought my own Oud ... I am so amazed that you could obtain one in the USA. I am also impressed of how agile and fluid you sound in this quite foreign style of Music ... Salutations to you Brandon Acker.
Ps: the decoration around the instrument is called Damascene Mosaic ... also very authentic to Syria and later on to parts of Andalucia in Spain.
he is from Aleppo, Salah Addin district in the south east part of the city, I know him very well
Aleppo.. not Damascus
You should have Brandon back on a regular basis. This is the best episode. I could listen to the two of you talk and play all day.
Brandon has more info here.
th-cam.com/users/brandonacker
For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. John 3:16.
I find it fascinating for some reason that after playing, they tend to say "Something like that".
It's super relatable as a guitarist and I never noticed it until now.
Right! I'm glad to know others do it. I usually say 'etcetera', ' and so on' , or 'that sort of thing' .
Relatable
@@ekoms1355 yo do you know what he plays at 42:00
@@marvinzimmerman1878 it’s called Spanish Romance
My god, brandon’s hands are so damn light and elegant when he plays
Brandon at 43:01: So we have a softer more mellow sound. Rob: *flamenco intensifies*
Brandons comment about Rob picking up an instrument and nailing it was so true. It’s super impressive and Rob is a really incredible musician.
As a Classical Guitarist, I appreciate how dynamic and flowing this video is.
Amazing video right here
Re: end of video
There's a youtube channel called Five Watt World which does "short history" videos of guitar models and stuff like that and the video on the Les Paul does talk about the beginnings of the solidbody, along with the Telecaster video.
And also, the P Bass video talks about the beginnings of the electric bass, nice bonus.
Now we just need a video on lab steel guitar because what are those even.
You're welcome.
He also done a few videos on the histories of Amps and he did one on the Tube Screamer, it's really interesting
He's one of the best channels on youtube
I regret waiting over a week to watch this. I should have known Brandon would be involved. There’s been a bunch of videos on the history of the guitar-this is by FAR the most interesting. Having them all right in front of you, being played by someone who is not only knowledgeable but also PERSONABLE. This has become one of my favorite videos.
This is one of the best pieces of content on the entire internet. History, technology, beautiful music and craftsmanship all tied together nicely. Kudos!
For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. John 3:16.
@@spicydramarama852 based
I’d love to see more “The History of...” with other instruments as well, such as keyboard instruments!
Agreed! Keyboard or, a really good one i think would be Violin/Cello!
The history of the monochord djentstick
The history of the taglharpa
The History of Keyboard Instruments would be great! There is already a TH-cam video on the subject but it’s a bit dry and not very entertaining. I’d love to see Rob cover it…
Rob and Brandon are the perfect hosts for this kind of video. There's a wealth of knowledge from Brandon, and Rob is like us as the every man learning about these archaic brilliant instruments for the first time, except playing them better than the average everyman could.
I learnt loads watching this and found it a genuine pleasure. Should be required viewing for any student of the guitar regardless of experience level and genre.
Do any of y'all reckon some dude 3000 years ago considered that the only thing to make that sick Oud riff better was more having a 9 string Oud
Maybe not 3000 years ago, but there are some medieval plans for 9 course Ouds.
7 course ouds are reasonably common nowadays. Usually tuned low to high C F a d g c f
very nice overview. One important omission - the vihuela. The vihuela was a six course, double strung instrument very popular in Spain in particular from the 15th century on. Equal temperament was necessitated by keyboard instruments, since each string had to play one note and you couldn't stop and retune it for each key - so it needed equal temperament. This predated metal frets on the guitar.
".. something like that" -every guitarist thats ever played something on a guitar that isnt theirs
why is this so true, i've said this myself dozens of times lol
... while being a bit proud of the accomplishment but humbled in front of the specialist spectator 😁
Somethin' like at! *British/ Australian accent as an American*
Me too
Literally just said that last night at a friends house too accurate 😂
Rob: "if you were a guitar player at the time..."
Brandon: " *when I was a guitar player at that time..."
I wish I had friends like Brandon and Rob
I wish I had friends
How do you not have friends when you play that sick flamenco.
Me too kid
Ive been staring at the ceiling since march. But alao before that
There are VERY few - even exponents of the guitar - who could pick up (in both senses ) an instrument and in just a few minutes of exposition and demonstration, play with such alacrity, precision and invention. Take a bow Rob - a very deep bow
Ive been watching Brandon's channel since his first appearance way back and im always glad when he returns. Yall guys should one day talk about the dulcimer. I play one and had family members that play these cool instruments in the Appalachian mountains and its shocking to know many guitar players are unaware of them. Their history is a bit confusing and fuzzy too, its hard to really pinpoint their lineage exactly.
dulcimers are so beautiful! would love to see a video on their history!
If you've ever heard the song California by Joni Mitchell, she's playing a dulcimer.
Just wanted to thank Brandon for showing us that there's a whole repertoire of renaissance guitar music we can learn on Ukulele. I learned how to read french style renaissance tablature last night after watching this. Time to practice some Adrian Le Roy
43:00
“So we have a softer, more mellow s-“
*flamenco intensifies*
8:15 the dude in the picture is the instrument maker, he's also my dad's lifelong friend!
That’s so cool!
I like how Brandon plays on each instrument the style of music that used to be played on it in the time and region each one of them was invented.
And I like how Rob can pick up any of them and start playing just like that.
What he's trying to say is "Tar ('ta:r)" which is still a traditional musical instrument in Iran, along with Setar and Tanbour. These are still played in Iran and have evolved in unique ways.
For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. John 3:16.
It was really pleasant to watch someone who is skilled with closely related instruments see what he could do on these things without being shy about it. Something about how it sounded good enough for a casual listener to enjoy despite still feeling very spontaneous and casual
What a fun video. I have been a guitar player for 35 years and this kind of information was just never available to me if I didn't spend hours in a library reading stacks of books. Thank you, young guitar lovers.
For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. John 3:16.
33:18 Rob is like that one student in class that gets excited because he knows that one part in a lesson that the teacher is talking about.
XD
Stop making fun of me 🙁
Am I the only one who likes the fretless Oud the most? These half-flats and glides are so awesome!
This is actually my second time watching this. Every time I watch it I’m so fascinated, the way he explains everything with so much passion just grabs my attention.
For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. John 3:16.
There are so many good things to say about this video. Thank you both!
Teacher's voice is so calm, we can tell he really enjoys explaining allll the details 💖 what a refined guy
5:12 İs A Turkish Folk Song named "Üsküdar'a Gider İken"
sounds like king gizzard
I was like "this sounds reaaally familiar" when Brandon played it! It makes a lot more sense now lolol
it sounds so cool
@@kezianaomi1839 if you like a king gizzard sleep drifter. I thing you should listen to 'Aşık Veysel Kara Toprak '
@@muhammetkeremabaz5043 im very familiar with that tune and that type of music. Check out tolgahan cogulu
Aw, man. Recuerdos De La Alhambra was the last piece I worked on with my guitar teacher, when he died.
That one hit me right in the feels. Such a beautiful piece.
I think the thing I love most about this is just how much fun they’re having. None of it is perfect in any sense. They’re just laughing and having fun playing awesome instruments.
For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. John 3:16.
@@spicydramarama852 Just like a true Evangelist, you're annoying