The Raspberry Pi 5 and Rock 5A Pink combo for building a budget NAS is pure brilliance! The Radxa Penta SATA Hat adds so much functionality. Thanks for sharing this amazing setup
I disagree. The similarly priced CM3588 solution is 2.5 times faster because it's a 2.5GB NIC as opposed to this 1GB/s solution. The boards in this demo are let down by the slow NIC when it comes to storage and speed.
You are absolutely right, as you can see in the video that I removed the USB-C cable after inserting it, the part where I removed the cable and explained that it's not needed didn't make it to the final cut. But thanks for point it out so others won't make the same mistake as I did.
Great video. So fed up with cloud providers and home NAS costs so a great proposition,. Just a question though about fitting the Active Cooler in the Pi 5: in the Geerling and Klements videos they had to snap off some fins on the Active Cooler to get the SATA hat to fit to the Pi. You seem to use the same official Active Cooler. However after fitting the Active Cooler you have no problem fitting the SATA hat. How did you avoid this problem? Did you use longer posts or perhaps you have a later Radxa build that addresses the problem? Keen to know as not happy with snapping things! A more enduring concern is cooling for the storage discs, which you mention may be necessary if left in an enclosed space or a warm room. Any suggestions? I'd be happy to rest a second Active Coooler on top of the disks if it could be controlled by the Pi or OMV?
@@mtstek Yeah, I thought that might be the case. Especially as my other theory of using longer copper posts is dumb as of course the GINO connection would not fit! Itching to try but nothing in stock for us in the UK, even the Rock version.
what samba speed do you get with a cheap usb3 2.5Gb/s Ethernet plugged in & configured for omv? -same speed question regarding the other sw raid5/raid0? pi- oh with/without the extra pi5 USB3 speed tweak
I just had one of these laying around www.amazon.com/gp/product/B079BQS5WQ I just plugged this into the hat and it showed up in the OS. So yes, it works.
Thanks for the video, looking to build the same myself. Do you know if the Raspberry Pi 5 build will fit in the case of the PENTA SATA KIT for ROCK5 Model A?
I'm new to NAS servers but I want to make one to run PLEX for movies and music(?). Thinking I'll make something like this because of its form factor and low power usage. I'll probably use a Rock 5C because I like the idea of having Wi-Fi and BT. I like the idea of using mechanical HDDs because of cost and long term usage and storage. I know this will affect the power usage but it'll still be much less than what my Cisco UCS C240 M4 draws. Speaking of which, when setting up the 12 SAS 10TB HDDs in Raid 6, it took several days. Good thing I'm patient. Lol.
I have the FriendlyELEC CM3588, I am unable to make the ZFS pool. BTRFS RAID pools work fine though. I'm not sure why it errors out when trying to create a ZFS pool. Your video was very helpful with creating the shares and setting up OMV in general. Thanks!! JM
Hello from Germany. I have a question about this. Does the station only work with Ethernet or can I also use the station via USB? What connection options do I have to access and operate the station? I would like to have this station for space reasons. I am currently using the Synology DS418 and it is already quite large, so I am looking for a smaller solution.
If you want to access SMB shares and the NAS interface-such as the OpenMediaVault admin panel-connecting via Ethernet is typically required. However, if your goal is simply to connect an HDD directly to your computer via USB, I'd recommend using a high-capacity external drive, like the WD 24TB External Storage. Remember, NAS (Network Attached Storage) is primarily designed for network connectivity, so Ethernet is essential for full functionality. If network access isn't a priority, an external USB drive would be a more straightforward option. Hope this helps!
It's likely a "No," but I'm just verifying if it's possible to power the entire NAS via POE. Here's hoping for future advancements that could make it achievable, thereby reducing the cable clutter.
@@TechnicallyUnsure so the setup would be POE board in the middle of the Pi5 and NAS hat, not sure if the flex cable from Pi5 to NAS hat is long enough to run over
Saw JG video and thought I'd give this a go Looking at tidier cable management and the PoE option sounds interesting I've just built the pi5 version of this with x4 1tb ssd, in an aluminium enclosure with 5v 50mm case fan + official pi5 active cooler Runs from official pi5 27W power supply Draws 7.5 W at idle with disks at 35°c & pi5 at 33°c . Temps rise by 10°c with sustained large file transfer for 20 mins and power draw is 10.5 W max Would like a good balance of cable management + safe temps + low noise I have run it with a 12v case fan and the temps dropped significantly but it sounded like a jet engine. I have a good balance with my current set-up but like the sound of the PoE, and the PoE board seems to provide enough of everything to make it viable for my small home network requirements
Just bought a Radxa 5c light with penta hat . Going to use it for raid 1 nas, have you done a build on this board and what os would you use for this setup . Any information would be handy. Thanks for your informative channel
You are right, but for the "NAS" part I mainly meant the NAS itself. Disks, you can use anything you like, smaller storage, non-SSD regular mechanical disks etc.
Only budget if you don't start making custom cases for them. With several reversions along the way 😳 ... I'm onto 3rd and it's cost me a fortune. Enjoyable process though.
Can you write or tell me how you managed to install ZFS on this version of the Debian 6.6.x kernel? I fail. I have a missing headers error for this kernel version. In openmediavault itself I have error 500. I've been struggling with this issue for two weeks now. An instructional video would be useful. Thank you
Those drives are not gonna heat up as long as it's limited by that 1GB NIC. The 4xNVMe board CM3588 is a much better option with it's 2.5GB NIC. The bottleneck is the NIC.
if you have 12v adapter, can it also supply power for the PI or do you still need the usb-c power adapter for Pi? And if the 12v adapter cannot power the PI, can I use POE hat with this hat together for reducing the number of cables connected to the Pi?
seems bad engineering, they/you/we could simply mount everything UNDER the raspberry so that the heat of the cpu is more free to go. Only requirement is a longer PCIe cable, or with inverted endings
Im curious. How would someone go about cloning an existing image to this raid array? And on the same subject would it be possible to move the entire image to a set of larger drives if necessary?
What's the existing image? You mean another RAID image? If it's "mdadm" software raid, I think you can just move those disk to this system and it should work. Never tried moving zpool around, but that one might work too, but I personally have never tried that. Personally, I would just build a new RAID on this setup and copy all my files from the other system to the new one via rsync over ssh.
@@TechnicallyUnsure Fair point. I've since decided to go a different route than this piece of hardware. Turns out my plan is going to require hardware thats more powerful than the raspberry pi.
You're correct, and I appreciate the clarification. It seems I recalled the details incorrectly when recording the video. Thank you for pointing it out.
The Raspberry Pi 5 and Rock 5A Pink combo for building a budget NAS is pure brilliance! The Radxa Penta SATA Hat adds so much functionality. Thanks for sharing this amazing setup
I disagree. The similarly priced CM3588 solution is 2.5 times faster because it's a 2.5GB NIC as opposed to this 1GB/s solution. The boards in this demo are let down by the slow NIC when it comes to storage and speed.
@@TerenceKearnsbut that only works with super expensive NVMe drives.
I saw your comment on Jeff Geerling’s video, and I’ve been waiting for this. Glad to see your take on it!
Great NAS build. I'm ordering them now!
Given you were using SSD's you may look into your ashift configuration for zfs space optimization
Great tutorial! I am new, and very late to the world of home servers but I am starting to dive into some projects. Your video was very helpful🙏
It's enough to put the 12V charger. Raspberry Pi 5 will be powered from Gpio.
You are absolutely right, as you can see in the video that I removed the USB-C cable after inserting it, the part where I removed the cable and explained that it's not needed didn't make it to the final cut. But thanks for point it out so others won't make the same mistake as I did.
@@TechnicallyUnsureThank you for your review. I'm curious about Docker integration.
@@MariusOdobasa docker works on it
@@TechnicallyUnsure 12v and what Amp do you recommend? i am guessing 5a+
@@jumpnjack808 Correct, 5A is more than enough to power the disks and Raspberry Pi
Excellent, thank you!
Interesting video.
If cost is an issue then I think you have to use mechanical HDD.
Great video. So fed up with cloud providers and home NAS costs so a great proposition,. Just a question though about fitting the Active Cooler in the Pi 5: in the Geerling and Klements videos they had to snap off some fins on the Active Cooler to get the SATA hat to fit to the Pi. You seem to use the same official Active Cooler. However after fitting the Active Cooler you have no problem fitting the SATA hat. How did you avoid this problem? Did you use longer posts or perhaps you have a later Radxa build that addresses the problem? Keen to know as not happy with snapping things!
A more enduring concern is cooling for the storage discs, which you mention may be necessary if left in an enclosed space or a warm room. Any suggestions? I'd be happy to rest a second Active Coooler on top of the disks if it could be controlled by the Pi or OMV?
Yes, I notice this but he goes so fast and can't tell if he does have same issue. I have to shorten 3 fins in order to fit the HAT.
@@mtstek Yeah, I thought that might be the case. Especially as my other theory of using longer copper posts is dumb as of course the GINO connection would not fit! Itching to try but nothing in stock for us in the UK, even the Rock version.
@@leshobbs7911 I ordered it from Aliexpress last week, just received yesterday in US.
what samba speed do you get with a cheap usb3 2.5Gb/s Ethernet plugged in & configured for omv?
-same speed question regarding the other sw raid5/raid0? pi- oh with/without the extra pi5 USB3 speed tweak
Can u make it work with 2.5 HDDs?
yes it will work with the 2.5" laptop HDDs
I just had one of these laying around www.amazon.com/gp/product/B079BQS5WQ
I just plugged this into the hat and it showed up in the OS. So yes, it works.
Unless those drives are SMR.
Thanks for the video, looking to build the same myself. Do you know if the Raspberry Pi 5 build will fit in the case of the PENTA SATA KIT for ROCK5 Model A?
I'm new to NAS servers but I want to make one to run PLEX for movies and music(?). Thinking I'll make something like this because of its form factor and low power usage. I'll probably use a Rock 5C because I like the idea of having Wi-Fi and BT. I like the idea of using mechanical HDDs because of cost and long term usage and storage. I know this will affect the power usage but it'll still be much less than what my Cisco UCS C240 M4 draws. Speaking of which, when setting up the 12 SAS 10TB HDDs in Raid 6, it took several days. Good thing I'm patient. Lol.
Is there any kind of box available to put all of this?, thanks for your video.
Thank you!
I have the FriendlyELEC CM3588, I am unable to make the ZFS pool. BTRFS RAID pools work fine though. I'm not sure why it errors out when trying to create a ZFS pool. Your video was very helpful with creating the shares and setting up OMV in general. Thanks!! JM
Were you able to create ZFS pool?
Looks like I used BTRFS in RAID 5.
I don't recall if I tried ZFS. Sorry I can't give a definitive answer :-)
@@jasonmehlhoff8877 thanks for the reply. What's your current setup look like, is it working as expected?
can you use 3.5in drives as well? would all sata slots be available?
Yes, but you might not be able to fit the 3.5in drives next to each other on top of the hat, but you can probably use sata cable extender
Will this work with older raspberry pi models as well?
No
Hello from Germany.
I have a question about this.
Does the station only work with Ethernet or can I also use the station via USB?
What connection options do I have to access and operate the station?
I would like to have this station for space reasons.
I am currently using the Synology DS418 and it is already quite large, so I am looking for a smaller solution.
If you want to access SMB shares and the NAS interface-such as the OpenMediaVault admin panel-connecting via Ethernet is typically required. However, if your goal is simply to connect an HDD directly to your computer via USB, I'd recommend using a high-capacity external drive, like the WD 24TB External Storage. Remember, NAS (Network Attached Storage) is primarily designed for network connectivity, so Ethernet is essential for full functionality. If network access isn't a priority, an external USB drive would be a more straightforward option. Hope this helps!
I am considering a built with 4x4TB HDD... any suggestions on the installment of a fan/cooler & "case"?
It's likely a "No," but I'm just verifying if it's possible to power the entire NAS via POE. Here's hoping for future advancements that could make it achievable, thereby reducing the cable clutter.
Yes, you can power entire board and disks and Raspberry Pi from the PoE
@@TechnicallyUnsure wow that’s unexpected. Will order one and try it out
@@TechnicallyUnsure so the setup would be POE board in the middle of the Pi5 and NAS hat, not sure if the flex cable from Pi5 to NAS hat is long enough to run over
It's enough to connect the hat to the board, and yes, rest of the setup is as you described
Saw JG video and thought I'd give this a go
Looking at tidier cable management and the PoE option sounds interesting
I've just built the pi5 version of this with x4 1tb ssd, in an aluminium enclosure with 5v 50mm case fan + official pi5 active cooler
Runs from official pi5 27W power supply
Draws 7.5 W at idle with disks at 35°c & pi5 at 33°c . Temps rise by 10°c with sustained large file transfer for 20 mins and power draw is 10.5 W max
Would like a good balance of cable management + safe temps + low noise
I have run it with a 12v case fan and the temps dropped significantly but it sounded like a jet engine. I have a good balance with my current set-up but like the sound of the PoE, and the PoE board seems to provide enough of everything to make it viable for my small home network requirements
Is this hat compatible with orange pi 3 b?
Could you use actual mechanical hard drives with this and just plug them in via wire connectors instead of directly to the board
I replied to another comment asking for the same. I tried and it worked with 2.5 inch regular mechanical HDD as well.
Is this very reliable for working in a restaurant as a local server using ERP system like Odoo?
Out of curiosity, is it possible to have omv backup the pool to an eSata drive instead of having 5 drives in the pool?
I don't see why not? You can backup the pool to an external storage, or in this case to an eSata drive
Just bought a Radxa 5c light with penta hat . Going to use it for raid 1 nas, have you done a build on this board and what os would you use for this setup . Any information would be handy. Thanks for your informative channel
Hi, were you able to set it up? What configuration you used?
"ultimate budget" nas build, whips out 4 x 8TB SAMSUNG SSDs hahahahahaha $2500 in SSDs just alone
You are right, but for the "NAS" part I mainly meant the NAS itself. Disks, you can use anything you like, smaller storage, non-SSD regular mechanical disks etc.
@@TechnicallyUnsure Im in the middle of closing down my seedbox (plex server) and running it off an 8GB PI5 but cant get the kit to house 4 SSDs
@@TechnicallyUnsure And to be fair the budget pre-built NAS units on the market are the "add your own drives" ones.
Budget here mainly means space saving.
Only budget if you don't start making custom cases for them. With several reversions along the way 😳 ... I'm onto 3rd and it's cost me a fortune. Enjoyable process though.
What the heatsink/fan you using with Rock 5A? Please reply me.
Raspberry Pi 5 Active Cooler SC1148
0:45 Are they "hard disks"???
Can you write or tell me how you managed to install ZFS on this version of the Debian 6.6.x kernel?
I fail. I have a missing headers error for this kernel version. In openmediavault itself I have error 500.
I've been struggling with this issue for two weeks now.
An instructional video would be useful. Thank you
Those drives are not gonna heat up as long as it's limited by that 1GB NIC. The 4xNVMe board CM3588 is a much better option with it's 2.5GB NIC. The bottleneck is the NIC.
if you have 12v adapter, can it also supply power for the PI or do you still need the usb-c power adapter for Pi? And if the 12v adapter cannot power the PI, can I use POE hat with this hat together for reducing the number of cables connected to the Pi?
The 12V that powers the SATA hat can power up the raspberry pi or rock 5a, you don't need additional USB C cable
seems bad engineering, they/you/we could simply mount everything UNDER the raspberry so that the heat of the cpu is more free to go. Only requirement is a longer PCIe cable, or with inverted endings
Generally you want to have data lines as short as possible, and you could still just buy a longer cable probably
There aren’t POE supported nvme hat out there from aliexpress will you take a look?
PoE hat combined with NVME? Can you send a link?
@@TechnicallyUnsure youtube does not allow me put the full link here,
Just give me AliExpress item #, from the page or URL
@@TechnicallyUnsure seems even item number it does not allow, let me try here again: 1005006659721119
Thanks, placed the order, I'll try and let you know
Im curious. How would someone go about cloning an existing image to this raid array? And on the same subject would it be possible to move the entire image to a set of larger drives if necessary?
What's the existing image? You mean another RAID image? If it's "mdadm" software raid, I think you can just move those disk to this system and it should work. Never tried moving zpool around, but that one might work too, but I personally have never tried that. Personally, I would just build a new RAID on this setup and copy all my files from the other system to the new one via rsync over ssh.
@@TechnicallyUnsure Fair point. I've since decided to go a different route than this piece of hardware. Turns out my plan is going to require hardware thats more powerful than the raspberry pi.
Does it fit 15mm thick 2.5 hdd?
No, you'll have to use extension cables and place the disks in some case or something
The power barel connector some have said it bumps up aginst the heatsink is that true?
Not for me, not with the heatsink I used that I show in the video.
what fan and heatsink do you use for the rock 5a nas kit?
www.amazon.com/dp/B07Y9LFP1J
@@TechnicallyUnsure does id fit on rock 5A?
Yes
you don't need 2 power is you use the barrel connector
if you need to buy a 12V adapter, better buy minipc with n100 intel chip for 175 Euro
Pi 5 official cooler is only $4.99 at Micro Center lol
You're correct, and I appreciate the clarification. It seems I recalled the details incorrectly when recording the video. Thank you for pointing it out.
orange pi 3b works?
I don't think this hat works with Orange Pi
Will I be able to store my vast pornography collection on one of these?
Can only find that hat for more than 3 times the price! WTH?
Your videos are amazing. I really like it. I am a new subscriber to your channel. Can I talk with you????
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THe focus is so distracting, can't watch. :(