Basketball Examined you make great videos. I love how you don’t have any particular bias like Stephen a smith or night wright or Shannon. You just analyze the players, and tell it how it is
I agreed that he's overrated but I don't agree with comparing his Rockets team to any team in the east coast the east was still weaker than the West around those times and even today
McGrady is another player whose career has been overrated due to people getting caught up in memorable moments and highlights. Notice I said CAREER not individual basketball skill.
Exactly and the result is many players that were less flashy but extremely consistent get lost in the fold because of the cultural prominence of high-volume low efficiency scorers, especially in the Post Jordan/Early 2000s. Just wish some different guys got their respect for once like Alex English, Adrian Dantley, Glen Rice or Chris Mullin. Rarely spoken about, but those guys were awesome.
Tmac was very explosive player like Westbrook, only tmac was better and was a great defender and always guard the best player from the other team And a better scorer
just like how people believe russ plays harder than every pg just coz he yells and dunks hard when even curry tries to play more D and is better off ball than him
This is another good example of a guy who would’ve greatly benefitted from playing some college hoops. He would’ve learned a lot more about team play and self-discipline.
Jay Jay NCAA is a Sham It’s corrupted coaches & players alike I wish more high school basketball players were allowed to play professional basketball 🏀
See that’s the problem with you casual fans. You confuse entertaining with greatness. Tmac was an ENTERTAINING player not necessarily a great one. With all his talent and athleticism made him must see tv but unfortunately that doesn’t always translate to success in the NBA.
Other points that can be added (and some overlap with this video) Baron Davis outplayed T-Mac in the 3 Hornet wins of the 2002 1st Round, not just in the clutch. All without his best teammate Jamal Mashburn. Averages in 3 Hornet wins / Magic losses Baron Davis 29.7 ppg - 10.7 rpg - 9.0 apg - 1.8 TOpg 43% FG - 40% 3PT - 76% FT Tracy McGrady 30.7 ppg - 4.7 rpg - 5.0 apg - 3.7 TOpg 46% FG - 38% 3PT - 74% FT In 3 different Playoffs, T-Mac ranked among the top 3 worst 4th/OT FG% shooters when the score was within 5 points (minimum 10 FGA). 2001 Playoffs - 27% FG (4/15) - 3rd worst 2002 Playoffs - 25% FG (3/12) - worst 2008 Playoffs - 20% FG (2/10) - 3rd worst Since shot-by-shot data on BBall-ref is available (2001-present), nobody else has ranked among the top 3 worst shooters in those situations in 3 different Playoffs. T-Mac never lost to an eventual NBA Finalist in the Playoffs as a starter. This means that he was not even losing to the best competition in the Playoffs. The 2000 Magic were 0.500 the year before T-Mac arrived and the 2003 and 2004 Rockets had consecutive winning seasons prior to his arrival on the 2005 team. If any true superstar is given a team that already has a 0.500 or winning record, there's no excuse for failing to win any playoff series during that time. The Magic may have been a mediocre supporting cast, but every other East team was also mediocre when T-Mac made the 2001-2003 Playoffs. The 2002 and 2003 East have the two worst records for a 1-seed in the 16-team format (1984-present) with the 52-30 Nets in 2002 and 50-32 Pistons in 2003. Jason Kidd joined a 26-56 Nets team and immediately took them to consecutive NBA Finals, the only time in history a sub-30 team has immediately gone to consecutive Finals. If Jason Kidd can take Richard Jefferson and Kenyon Martin (never had 10 PPG or 13 PPG, respectively, in a series without Kidd's passing) to consecutive NBA Finals, there's no excuse for T-Mac to fail to win a single playoff series with Orlando. T-Mac had good help in Houston and still failed to win a series. Yao had 21-8 on 66% in the 2005 1st Round and completely outplayed Dirk with 21-9 on 35%. In 2007 he had 25-10 on 44% FG and 88% FT. In 2009 when T-Mac was hurt and didn't play, the Rockets finally won a series and took the eventual champion Lakers to 7 games in the WCSF, and that was with Yao missing more than half the 2nd round as well. The Rockets were good enough to take the 65-17 champions to 7 games without their TWO best players, completely refuting any excuses about T-Mac not having good enough help.
Mr.Calculus/TheUnBiasedDude owned his fucking soul. I think if given the option, he would have gone back to the locker room and skipped OT entirely if he could have.
Tmac had to leave the court several times to get his back attended to but yall dont know this because you probable just searched Tmac playoff series lol.
Alvin Elmore what does being better than have to do with overall career tho? I can def name 10- 15 sgs who had better careers than tmac. Yall have to stop making everything a whos better than who debate. Tmac may be individually more talented than john havlicek, but Hondo had 10xs the career tmac had. Thats all that matter at the end of the day. What was accomplished? Besides the allstar, and the few scoring titles, tmac didnt do much else in his career to be considered top 10.
Who had a better career and who was a better player is two different questions. TMAC is in the top 10 greatest shooting guards of all time. Jordan Kobe Dwade Jerry West Allen Iverson Clyde Drexler George Gervin TMAC I cant think of any other shooting gauds better then him.
Alvin Elmore u literally just repeated the same thing without giving anything to prove it. WHY does he belong on that list? What did he do in his career to be on that list? Hondo beats him in every aspect. So does ray allen, so does earl monroe, even reggie miller was slighty ahead of him. If ur list is solely based on talent then fine, but an all time great list based on career is for players WHO ACTUALLY ACCOMPLISHED SOMETHING. Tmac is NOT top 10 all time for anything. Ill give u top 11-15 at best.
MAC was my favorite player growing up but this dude for the most part is spitting facts, McGrady was just missing something, he was still great but no legend
As a Tracy McGrady fan, this is a tough pill to swallow, but the truth. When you compare the elite guards of the 00’s, particularly Kobe and McGrady, Kobe often came alive in the 4th and OT. How many times can we remember Kobe taking over games in the waning moments, even in Shaq’s absence? Kobe’s competitiveness was unmatched. Tracy had all the talent and abilities, but lacked the relentless will. Tracy was admittedly not a good practice player. I believe if he had the same work habits and mentality of Kobe, we’d be talking about him in a much different light. It would have been a treat to see Kobe and T-Mac matched up in a playoff series. We are only left to think...what if?
@@exiled5160kobe was a baller in the 4th quarter. He took over so many 4th quarters and has the most game winning or go ahead shots in nba history. There was a poll that went out at some point during kobes career that asked gms which player they wanted to have the ball in the 4th quarter and kobe ended up winning that poll.
Ummm... his second best player was either Darrell Armstrong or Pat Garritty. Mike Miller was traded for Drew Golden for an idiotic reason and he was the second option in Houston behind Yao and was injury riddled. When you are the only option and have no one to Pass to you will be inefficient.
Axel Dickinson McGrady was better than Vince and would’ve been a number two option which wouldn’t make sense and Grant Hill was always inured. Vince has his own issues in Toronto as well so let’s not do that either. Keep me coming bro. Lol
@@christopherblake2588 you said his second best player was Darrell Armstrong or Pat Garritty when in reality he played with 3 HOFers in Yao, VC and Hill. Keep me coming bro
Aaron Arguelles tmac was a way better playmaker than melo ever was. Melo was only s better rebounder because he would always rebound his misses in the post. Tmac > melo on defense as well.
He was Overrated after leaving the Raptors I remember him winning stuff like scoring titles and always talked about at skool. Especially the game vs Spurs. He's very talented but he wasn't the killer like me or Kobe to Win at all cost!!! Love me sum mcgrady but he was more Popular than a Winner facts
This breaks my heart.. I saw the thumbnail to this video months ago but didn't want to watch it.. now I finally did and it hurts me to say you make some great points
Well he forgets to mention he had to leave the game at times to have his back tended too also injuries held him from his full potential for kobe to say tmac is on his level let’s you know he isn’t overrated. Shaw said if lebron picked kobe he would pick tmac Shaq isn’t going to pick an overrated player
This video did 3 things. 1. Proved beyond shadow of doubt T-Mac is in fact overrated. 2. Made a lot of dudes in comments look like emotional lesbians who can't employ manly way of critical thinking and are guided by emotions instead as a female usually is and 3. 21:20 those shooting %s , bruh... That made me hurt.
This is one of the best in depth dissertation like video of an athlete I've ever seen. You were unbiased n used empirical data. I also never thought T-mac was a HOF...living n Orlando during his time I would always see Grant Hill, Darryl Armstrong, Pat Garrity etc working out at RDV but never T-Mac. The one time I met T-Mac was where else but at the club with his homegirl Mike Miller lol
Dnyce he was completely bias, name the one time he said McGrady performed well in x game. He never did. Talk about inefficient against the Jazz in 08 and not even talk about McGrady dropping 40 points on the Jazz in the elimination game, but that would be unbiased. The reason why I look at channels like this with eye rolls, because if you’re going to make an argument at least see both sides that’s one of the first thing you’re taught when being persuasive.
The bias is clear this guy also included his injured stats in Houston in the in depth breakdown. He also started getting injured right out of high school. He was a for sure career all star if not for the injuries. Sad really. how can a guy who's career was ruined by injuries be overrated, thats like saying d rose is overrated, or brandon roy is overrated.
Tmac got his best years playing basketball with The Orlando magic. And got injured And got trade to Houston and wasn’t the same player anymore The played in Orlando And tmac is on another different level than grant hill , tmac was very closed to be on Kobe’s level Because he was a two way player like Kobe and always was guarding the best player from the other team And not just like Westbrook The is just explosive the can’t play defense against Donovan Mitchell, Tmac was special player
Nobody who actually watches the NBA thinks Russel Westbrook is the best point guard, maybe they think he is 3rd best which is still inaccurate but I think the biggest mistake people make about Westbrook is calling him a Top 5 player. I love the man's game, it just doesn't translate to long term success
Jay R AI saw success with his play style however. He literally carried a team into the finals. Injuries also grounded his game, plus the league catches up to you as well. AI's problem wasn't that he choked or screwed up during games, it was that he was undisciplined, and has his body wore down, it caught up to him.
There is going to be a bunch of Stans who are going to just read the title, not watch the video and say "You don't know basketball". But any logical human being with the attention span of a 9 year old, will see this video's composition is 90% made up of Tmac making atrocious shot selection, missing key free throws, not playing defense, and turning the ball over in pivotal moments of games. The Neanderthal stans refer to this a "clutch". Excellent video. Tmac was fun to watch, but extremely overrated, one sided, and not a true deserving HOF'er
You can spot deficiency like that in almost every single superstar in the NBA. Lebron missed clutch freethrows, played no defense in the finals. Kobe had an AWFUL shot selection sometimes and was a ballhog most of the times, etc, etc, etc. Fact is T-Mac was as good as Lebron or Kobe. Carried Orlando with 24 years old (MJ got in the league with 23 so we can have perspective on this). And then Injuries fucked him. BTW Yao Ming was always injured too.
Juicy Shaq Meat winning is situational, if you play ball you know he had it all its just that injuries fucked him. Btw his first coach in the NBA said he would be out of the league in 3 years. Imagine a teen with back issues and then his knee... and he kept playing.
dude he was injured his whole career, like were you alive when he played? The man never got to develop. He started getting injured at 19. By 23 he was already at a state like many retiring players. He was overrated in the sense that he never developed in the same sense that Derrick Rose is overrated? like what are you saying
Baron was filthy back then faxx.. most good nba players could score 20+ppg if they had the flashing green light like Tmac had.. Tmac was very inefficient!!
@@applycontext9161 ik but it still feels weird seeing someone average 20 ppg on 40% shooting to be considering a top player in the league. nowadays that would be different
Ahh, indeed a tough pill to swallow. TMAC was my favorite player and every year he would get eliminated in the first round I found myself giving him excuses. As I’ve gotten older and gained a better understanding of basketball I can now see he wasn’t a winning player. His basketball IQ isn’t at the caliber of a top tier winner. His shot selection in games , especially late in games was questionable. He didn’t want to play hard defense and while his assist numbers were well above average for his position he didn’t seem to get his teammates involved early enough in games. TMAC is a very weird player because his talent is alpha/1st option level however his mentality just wasn’t. He didn’t handle interviews like an alpha and would always try to blame teammates or opponents. McGrady would have greatly benefitted from a coach like Popovich or a few years in college. I also believe he would have been better suited as the number 2 guy on a championship contender instead of first option as he obviously could not handle the pressure. Much like James Harden.
Rubin Turner not really. Harden has the numbers, an mvp and has been top 2-5 running for the last 8 years, actually passed the 1st round and made the finals before, no one will question if harden ever makes it 1st ballot
Mcgrady should have been somebody’s Pippen not an MJ wannabe like the NBA kind of created itself. There are more Pippens than Jordan’s but for awhile after 1991, every nba team had to force their Pippens into Jordan shoes and a Jordan role.
Some people say McGrady was a playoffs failure *exclusively* because of his bad teams. These people always blame his teams but never T-Mac. The only purpose of this video is to show that this is not true. The video shows us that T-Mac had chances to win games (against same-level or even worse teams) but "choked", made horrible decisions. Period. People always put T-Mac as an unlucky man for not advancing in playoffs but he had his chances to shine and didn't. So yeah, people rate him higher than he really was when it comes to playoffs. What does this mean? Overrated. His injuries are not to be discussed here. No one said he was bad. The dude is just saying that McGrady was also responsible for his playoffs failures and that people tend to ignore a player's flaws when they enjoy this specific player. McGrady was good, but just like any other scoring points machine, the kind of player who produces a shit ton of magic moments since they try a lot of times, his flaws are ignored and only his good moments are remembered.
Great vid my brother. Seen your Carmelo Anthony video as well. Really greatful of your footage also. I started watching basketball heavy in like 09 during kobe's dominance. Even tho he was kinda out his youth at the time, his work ethnic drove him to stay consistent. So i missed the peak years of the Vinces the Iversons the Pierces the Nashes the O'Neals and the McGrady. And you've helped get get some closure as to me feeling like I've missed out on players careers . Thanks for that!
T-Mac was my favorite player when I was in middle school and high school. I wore #1 because of him. Because of that, this video was very difficult to watch. As one of his biggest fans, I can’t refute anything in this video.
I think pretty much all of the shot chuckers have been overrated. Yes, they were fun to watch when they'd heat up, but they'd shoot their team out of the game as much as they'd shoot their team into the game. Westbrook, McGrady, Iverson, Anthony and quite a few other big name scorers could all fall into that category. I included Iverson in that list because he never seemed like a leader by example, was lazy in practice, and didn't seem to make his teammates better. Compare him to Jordan, or one of the other superstars who had a reputation for going all out in practice, setting that tone, and pushing their teammates to be better, and I feel that while he was a very good ball player, he never was as great as he could have been. I've excluded Kobe Bryant from that list because even though he was a shot chucker, he was very driven and pushed his teammates to be better, much like Jordan did. So his value to his team was a separate metric that outweighed him "shooting all the balls".
The only difference is that kobe had Phil jackson, which he benefited tremendously. He was the only coach who could contain kobe and kept him in check.
I wouldn’t compare Westbrook to tmac, T Mac was pretty much more explosive than Westbrook with better dunks and Was a two way player like Kobe, Orlando tmac always was guarding the best player from the other team And not just was a great scorer and also a great defender, Westbrook is terrible defender He couldn’t play defense against a rookie Donovan Mitchell ,and having Paul George and melo he couldn’t Carried his team to win in the playoffs,that’s overrated. Tmac played with heart and only because he got injured and his body gave up on him, at least he showed the years he played in Orlando he was the real deal
2007 Rockets team was abused by Carlos Boozer, love Chuck Hayes but he was still only 6’6 a defender and rebounder. Luis Scola was a monster for Argentina, and a former MvP in his league. The switch from a Mcgrady do everything JVG coaching style, to a more Princeton offense scheme under Adelman was also a main difference. Asking one player to be your entire offense initiator left McGrady gassed at the end of games. He could’ve still pulled it through, but even Lebron and Iverson who were able to pull it off successfully had the same inefficiency and closing struggles.
That little bit from Kerr at the end is so true. He's such an intelligent and articulate guy, no wonder he knows how to get the best out of his players
He’s definitely overrated, and I like TMac. He’s not an all time great. Never had a great playoff series. Got worse in the playoffs. Never got out of the first round.
AboutMillions And how many playoff series wins did it translate to? McGrady ended up playing with Yao Ming, and Houston got better without TMac. I know more basketball than you. He made no one better. If he’s that good, you win a series. Point blank, period. Blew a 3-1 series. Stop with the excuses.
jmaal2345 no he wasnt, he was an NBA player lmfao. Delete ya comment stupid lying ass nigga. You must be embarrassed ASF huh lil bitch😎. You've been #FactChecked hater
This proves a good point amount many NBA players of all-time. To be a great player you have do whatever it takes to win. The grit and grind like MJ, LeBron, and Kobe have. That what makes them stand out from players like T-Mac, Melo, and others. Paul Pierce and Dirk had great grit those years they won the championship and it truly shows how much they want to win.
Tmac was one of my favorite players growing up. This Video is sad but true. He was Never a winner or someone who Made Players around him better. His fg percentage is pretty Low for someone his height considering he can shoot over smaller Defenders. He surely was Fun to Watch but that does Not define a successful career. Its like with westbrook in okc. Insane numbers but he is a one man Show. Players like harden or oladipo couldnt Grow on the same Team with westbrook. And now they are Franchise Players. Westbrook cant even reach over 50 wins in a Season with Players like Paul George, melo and steven Adams. Great numbers and Great names doesnt make a Great Team.
And also, Magics won over 40 games before McGrady got there. He never improved the team considering their roster was bad(Doc won COTY because how Magics were able to win over 40 games before T-Mac and Grant Hill got there).
Mr.Calculus/TheUnBiasedDude lol. The magic signed grant hill on a sign and trade and gave away pieces that were apart of that team that won 40 games. Tmac was 21! He carried them into the playoffs and faced a loaded bucks team with Sam cassell, ray Allen, Glenn Robinson 3 all stars and the magic had a rookie Mike miller. Let’s not act that the magic weren’t meant to be swept tf out of that series. T-mac had unbelievable numbers during that playoff run and he was the sole option on offense. I think it’s very harsh to say they didn’t improve when Tmac had no help. Did Kobe even make it out of the first round without shaq and gasol? No. Teams win series not individuals it’s very rare that u see one man teams have success in the playoffs.
This comment shows that you don't know about losing grant hill to injury or trading ben wallace and corey maggette or whatever just paint your own picture.
Its actually hilarious to read everyones comments. They think they sound smart but they have no fucking clue how bad Tmacs teammates were and how young he was when carrying tf out of them. He was running into big 3s in the playoffs his whole career and still went the distance and his team pretty much relied on him every single possession.
They also missed the playoffs the year before TMac got there. So he did improve Orlando. And the Bucks were terrified of him that year in the playoffs. They were scared to look at him.
@@mashwork6615 u don't understand, they traded their pieces for t-mac thinking he could take them to the next level when he matured more. Clearly he couldn't do that. He is overated simple as that, his rockets team is the perfect example of this.
I'm so glad someone made this video. TMac die-hards are so weird. As passionate as Kobe fans, but without any of the actual reasons to back it up. His game was wonderfully aesthetic, but, aside from like two especially good Magic seasons, he wasn't a particularly special player in terms of production. Sure, he was "cool", but not effective. Can't believe he got into the Hall of Fame. Really weakens the quality of it all for me. And it's a damn shame that he did and someone like Derrick Rose won't despite VERY similar situations. A talented player with a couple of great peak years, and a wonderful aesthetic, yet they never delivered on the promise of that talent due to injuries. Not sure why TMac gets a pass here and Rose won't. At least Rose won an MVP and several playoff series. People keep saying "he didn't get the chance due to injury" or "he never reached his peak development due to injury", which is so stupid to me. It's not the "Hall of what could've been". You get in based on what you actually did in your career. If injuries prevented a supremely talented player from actually accomplishing anything, then that's too bad. Physical durability is a major part of athletics.
Super late to the party, but I just wanna throw my two cents in anyways. Tmac belongs in the HOF for two reasons: First, Tmac was 7x All-NBA, which means that for the better part of a decade, a panel of NBA-affiliated voters whose entire life is dedicated to basketball, voted Tmac as a top player in the league. Second, Tmac led the league in scoring twice. No NBA scoring leader has EVER been left out of the HOF. Mac did it two times. You state DRose won't make the HOF, but insinuate that Rose "deserves" it more than Tmac, because of his playoff wins and MVP. Rose only has 1 All-NBA award, and was only a top-tier player 1 season. Tmac undoubtedly had a better career. Just go to basketball-reference.
This is a great video detailing how overrated tmac was in his prime. The one decision in tmac's career he regrets was leaving the raptors and his cousin vince carter. He would have had a much better career with vince and the raptors. You should do more videos of players who were underrated and overrated.
To be fair tho, he assumed he was gonna be playing with Grant Hill in Orlando. Plus they were pretty close to signing Tim Duncan until he changed his mind at the last minute. His career would look a lot different.
I knew what T Mac was about when he left one of his best teammates he ever had in Toronto to "be the man" in Orlando. Also when he was mocking Big Dog Robinson in the playoffs but losing the series. Also him talking about "it feels good to get out the first round of the playoffs" vs Detroit before the series vs over, only to lose the series. He saw AI, Kobe and Vince getting the shine and wanted a situation where he wold get paid and score. Then people propping him up cause he was a flashy swingman. The way he looked at it was, if he won great, if he didn't great. As long as he got his and was "the man". Then the injuries.
When tracy himself said "im a gamer, you put me in a game and the lights are bright and stands are filled thats what i was" makes me think that he was selfaware.
Some fair points in the video. But trying to debunk the "he didn't have enough help" argument didn't seem that strong to me. Other than arguably the Hornets series where you aptly pointed out Mashburn got hurt, every other team he played on was generally favored to lose. Other than that 2007 series against the Jazz where for the first time in his career, his team was favored to actually win. Of course he was a much lesser version of the player he was in orlando during that series but he indeed should have made it happen. So to me, the case to call tmac overrated should center on that one year. So you compared the 2007 & 2008 Rockets and stated that they advanced without him and thus made the case for "not enough help" as being a thin argument. But honestly, if you analyzed the players on each team you'd notice two really big differences in the lineups: the pg & pf spots. Brooks & Alston are not equal and neither are Scola and Hayes. Brooks was way more capable than Alston offensively, being able to make plays off the dribble with penetration, shoot long 3s from distance from spotups and coming off screens, and playing a very solid pick n roll game. And as much as I loved Hayes' tenacity and defensive mindset, Scola was undeniably greater than Hayes, being able to space the floor from midrange, and having a very proficient post game to boot. Alston could only shoot open 3s and brick floaters, and Hayes as good as he was with finishes around the rim from passes from tmac, was a total offensive liability, letting guys like Boozer sag so far off of him to help on tmac's drives, and further helping the Jazz quarantine him. If tmac had just one of these guys trade places with their counterpart, it would have been enough. I watched every game in that Jazz series, and I'm telling you, the very fact that alston could only occasionally hit the spot up 3 and not create anything offensively, and Boozer being able to sag completely off Hayes and let Okur camp in the paint, really helped deter tmac's effectiveness in trying to score on multiple physical defenders with Kirilenko being the main one (this also happened in the 04-05 Dallas series with Ryan Bowen filling in for Juwan Howard). The times tmac found the open man, he found bricks. And it wore on him and his already worn body. Not to mention that the bench for the Rockets in the latter team was better. Having said all this, I do think that year was the best year for tmac to actually get out of the first round. If he was as healthy as he was in orlando, none of this would be a conversation. it just bothers me that we judge an individual players' holistic value and greatness solely on factors that are somewhat beyond one's control. If Grant Hill never got hurt and played in Orlando, would tmac really have been evaluated as thus worthy of hall-of-fame status and no longer overrated? If Juwan Howard hadn't gotten injured right before the dallas series, would that have mad tmac inherently better? What about the length of the first round going from 5 games to 7 in that Detroit series? The main factor that he should be criticized for is his indirect way of leadership in my opinion. But as far as everything on the court, he's every bit as good as the superstars compared to him, and better than 2-3 of them in my opinion. You take away the one all-star from any one of those other allstars (Allen had cassell & glenn robinson, Kobe had shaq, Pierce had Antoine, etc.,) and you'll see a similar lack of success.
Even still, tmac didn't have an equivalent. he had starting 5's where his second best player was a young mike miller and darrell armstrong. The rest of his team weren't even stalwarts on defense like Allen Iverson's teams were. On both sides of the ball, those magic teams were tragically below par.
That's how most of the teams were built back in the days. 1999-2000 Magics won 41 games before T-Mac got there. He never improved the Magics at all, he can't carry a team. Grant Hill carried a Pistons team to 54 wins with an old Joe Dumars on his team...
The 1999-2000 magic weren't an awesome team but some notably good players on that team that would have greatly helped form a good support cast around tmac were corey maggette, matt harpring, ben wallace, chucky atkins, etc. These were all players that didn't follow into the 2000-2001 magic team. Perhaps a lot of these players left because of their minutes being taken up by tmac and Grant Hill. Perhaps it was due to cap space but even a point guard like Chauncey was on that 1999-2000 magic team though he never played cuz of injury. Regardless, what followed was a magic team that was built on having tmac and hill and because hill went down, not only did tmac not have another star to play with, but there was no space on the team left to sign any other significant players. True, Dumars was hitting the end of his playing career but look at the rest of the roster and compare it to Tmac's first season with the magic. I suppose you can equate Darrell Armstrong to Lindsey Hunter, and Mike Miller to Michael Curry but look at the pistons' bigs. Young theo ratliff was no joke defensively and otis thorpe still had some in the tank, along with bad boy rick mahorn. If you watch the magic games back then, it was hard enough for tmac to get his 6 assists a game passing to stiffs like andrew declerq and one trick ponies like Pat Garrity. If he just had some level of apt, solid role players, it would have been enough. Regardless, I'm not going to discredit everything about this video, because I think tmac's main weakness was his lack of leadership. But in terms of him overall, I don't think players like Pierce, Carter, & Allen faced quite the level of bad luck as tmac did. I'm not saying ALL those teams had superstars, but none of the has a key/star contributor/big offseason signing never play with their other star, costing them any ability to sign other key role players. At least to my knowledge. Tmac probably should have stayed in Toronto with VC and we probably wouldn't even be debating.
Jon Lau Baron Davis owned his soul in that series. They were not underdogs in the slightest. That series was 50/50. Look at that final possession in OT, TMac wanted nothing to do with the play or BD. He had fear in his eyes! Orlando were also not favorites against the bucks, but that Bucks team was atrocious on defense, and he underperformed in that one too. The only nod I'll give you is those Houston teams. They needed a better bench, and injuries caused a lot of chemistry issues. I think it is safe to say, that we never even got to see an 80% Houston team in the playoffs during his tenure. Still, he was the leader of those Houston teams, and he had big hiccups in those series (missed defensive assignments, turnovers, and missed free throws). That is unacceptable imo. Outside of that, I still agree Tmac was overrated. He was a flashy player, and they have a way of tricking us with their play style. where we see them do an incredible dunk, or make a ridiculous shot, and they pass the eye test. We immediately revert to this guy is legit. However, most of these players are exposed in the playoffs when the real scouting report happens, real defense is played, and the game slooooows down, and fundamentals become key. It happens to almost all of them.
This video was great. I appreciate this era where alot of persons stats and careers are easily documented and statisticalized. There have been other good players before in the NBA that were just as good and not in the Hall of Fame. whats the criteria for the HOF though? Just a good regular season player that doesnt have leadership to carry a team - the HE commentates on who doesnt have killer instincts, clutch and rings? people blame injuries stopped his potential...what about the many other franchise players who didnt due to injuries also? are they hall of famers too? I think popularity got some people into the HOF and he is one of them.
Its a shame that his career broke down after his years in Houston because we could have seen more from him, as Mike Korzemba said he wasn't built to lead a team, but to help someone lead a team.
Tmac lacked clutch & leadership & that was the reason for him choking in playoffs. That’s what separated him from from others in that era. They were all volume shooters in most inefficient as well as Kobe who only averaged a .447 to TMac .435 field goal percentage. & mid to late 90s into early 00s had a lot of ugly defensive games
You always dive into the stats well bro but like you quoted 'numbers without context is just dots'.. Have you seen the rosters he was on during the first half of his prime before the move to the rockets. This is very different from westbrook having oladipo, kanter and sabonis not getting their shots.2000-2004 Pat garrity, out of shape Shawn Kemp, Drew gooden lol. Tyronne Lue and Mike miller were his best and most healthy team mates so its very easy for the defense to focus solely on T-mac
The problem with TMac is he never had a healthy back, together with Yao with his problem with his foot, they weren't going to be good against Kobe, Duncan and KG, all HOFers in their conferences at that time.
Agree, he had not much support cast in Orlando... Love my Magics, but there was not much support, and Hill's injury didn't just affect the game, but also limited the cash to acquire another player. The other players that compared had a good cast around them.
Kierston Deloach Webber was better than McGrady though. And the only reason CWebb didn't make the Finals was because of the royal screwjob the Kings got in game 6 of the WCF.
Most people overrate people like TMac, Brandon Roy and even DRose because they had potential. Most of them say "if it wasn't for injuries, XYZ would've been a top 10 player of all time!!" or stuff like that.
And now talk about underrated dwyane the great player who carried his team in playoffs just a rookie and already made his mark then only 2nd year in the league almost carried his team to championship he just got injured then finally in his 3rd year he suceeded winning a championship for his team and had one of the best finals performance in history he was one man army in that finals! Plus his stats was better in the playoffs everytime, yet the media criticize him and dont give credit. Smh
LMFAO!! You're counting the stuff he did after the knee injury against him?!!.. Btw, Kobe never averaged above 47% from the field, so what's your point?..smh In his peak year, McGrady averaged above 30 PER...making him one of only 7 players in NBA history at the time to ever accomplish that. No perimeter star player of his generation has been able to reach 30, not Kobe, not Carter, not Allen, not even Pierce... You obviously don't know what the hell you're talking about.
I was always a believer in Tracy McGrady not being a Hall-of-fame-material. Still to this day, I can't understand how he made it into the HoF. This video is on point. Sure, he had his great moments but at the end of the day, they don't help him much when it comes to his overall success. ['Your a hater comments' incoming]
Hmmmm....seems similar to Lebron apologists....except in TMac's case its all because of injuries and no help. Hall of Fame worthy players usually win at least one playoff series. Accountability has to mean something as the best player on your team. Missing key shots during possible "winning" moments has nothing to do with injuries or not having enough help. The era of excuses....continues. You win....you are lauded...you lose....criticism comes. Many forget how much criticism Jordan received until his team finally managed to win the NBA championship.
Oscar Brown but Lebron actually wins And let’s not talk about Jordan when there were FINALS series where Scottie was playing offensively as well as the FIRST scoring option and he still had his HOF defense. FOH T-Mac is a HOF, but no one puts him in a top 10-20-30-40-50 or maybe even 60. This whole video is truly nitpicking at its finest. The only bad series was against Charlotte. This guy put McGrady accomplishments and puts under the rug like yea he put up 36 points in while playing 45 minutes but let’s focus SOLEY on the last 2 minutes of the game. And let’s call a 15 ppg season his prime gtfoh
mrslash blade I get your explanation....but "context" still is relevant. There have been many top scorers that have come through the league....but in my opinion a true HOF needs to have some sort of "winning" resume credibility (playoffs or championships). Look at how the Raptors top scorers are performing now.....I've heard many think DeRozan might eventually put up HOF worthy "regular season" stats....but again...."in what context". HOF status has to be validated by some sort of winning. Even legendary top scorer Alex English of the Nuggets managed to win a playoff series in his career.
Oscar Brown you know what fair enough I honestly can’t find any counterargument other than the only people who put DeRozan in the HOF are Raptor fans. But the only weak counter argument is there are voters who selected this man to represent the top 6 Guards/Forwards in the league and in 03 he was the best guard in the league while DeRozan struggles to make A All NBA team. I still stand by the fact that this video was unfair and didn’t have the decency to highlight instances where you asked McGrady to put up clutch shots despite he’s being ran like a race horse for 46 minutes. Not everyone is like a Jordan Kobe Lebron where they can still be just as lethal in minute 48 as they are in minute 1.
mrslash blade Agreed. These type of videos can prompt debates about biased opinions about Tracy McGrady's "true" value as a player....yet again "winning" has to be factored in as being considered an HOF. TMac's late game efforts withstanding.....he didn't "ever" win a playoff series in the 1st round. This fact cannot be ommited. This video's explanation about his teammates being able to advance without him is a valid point. Criticism is not always a "slight" but instead a measuring tool to put accomplishments and failures in the proper "context"
Respect T-Mac, Kobe himself said him and Iverson was the two players that gave him the most problems along with Tony Allen on Defense. Most teams have 3 star players. He only had 2 but I can't disagree with the practice habits.
You know I was going to write you off like you didn't know what you were talking about but I watched your whole video. While I'm not completely swayed by your argument you make A LOT if sense. Well done on the video.
In 09 when the rockets went to 7 games against the lakers with their best players being artest and Yao Ming on no legs while McGrady sat out for his next contract I knew he was overrated. He basically admitted this week while talking about Kobe
Man!! Sad, but true. I still his game, but never realized how consistently inefficient he was. Amazing player to watch, but numbers don't lie! Thanks for the detailed the analysis!
A "top scorer" who cannot hit game winners or even score a bucket in overtime in the playoffs is most definitely overrated. He might have been good, but I hear people talk like he was an elite player who was competing for a championship every year. He is just a guy who wanted to be a high volume shooter so he can put up big numbers, he did not know how to win which is what counts.
When you compare him to other similar caliber players, why are you leaving out assists, where none of them come close? This to me exposes your extreme bias. But what is your purpose to drag mcgrady thru the mud, who is honestly one of most underrated and tragic sports figures already? You literally hold his debilitating injuries against him. Hey, do one on how overrated grant hill and Brandon Roy were next. And obviously how overrated Gilbert arenas was. And let’s not forget Elton brand and jermaine O’Neal and Danny granger. Those guys are spoken of way too highly considering their lack of accomplishments. Tmac was a bit of a volume shooter but he always did it in the context of setting up his teammates. He was harden without the free throw/shooting accuracy but with transcendent athleticism that allowed him to take over with similar effectiveness that we never got to see culminate. Him and Yao were NEVER healthy for a playoff run except when juwan Howard was injured and happened to match up w best player on other team and his replacement was worst player on either roster (Ryan Bowen). And it still took dirty refs. tfoh this video views like a college essay assignment someone did for extra credit but has never watched basketball
yea this video is fucking laughable, he was a sad story of the next great player being destroyed by injuries starting at 19. Why do people do this. This guy used his half played, injured seasons in the in depth stat analysis.
I think he had a good point like the Hornets series, he could have played better down the stretch. But the Mavericks series, he penalized him for being overrated just because he missed a “game tie-er” which was a 2 because he had a foot on the line. Everyone misses game winners. By the way that Dallas Maverick team was no joke and on the come up. I never had TMAC in my top 10 but he was still a good player that has a lot of highlights.
I think this, a lot like arguing against Carmelo Anthony, shows a lack of appreciation for the ability to create magic on occasion. Yes, as a whole, their careers were those of limited players, and pale in comparison to guys like LeBron. However, sometimes, these two players pulled off insane games or moments that no other players could pull off. That's why these players are great and memorable, rather than for their careers as a whole.
Let's be real tho Orlando never had a good team with Tmac, it was basically like when kobe had those couple years with smush parker and Kwame....kobe an all time great didnt' do anything with them. When Tmac went to Houston he got them in the playoffs but Yao was hurt alot and so was Tmac, take into account that he west was loaded with defensive teams like the SPURS in their own devision and many more teams. For his prime years he was ELITE, could've been better but nonetheless he was elite in his prime. Top 20 player of his era, probly top 60-70 player of all time
bad video. tmac isn’t rated as a clutch playoff performer, he’s rated as a talented scorer. his 4-year prime is arguably top 25 all time, and it was in that prime that he played very well in the playoffs even though he wasn’t favored in any of his first 4 trips after joining the magic. much much much more overrated players. disliked and unsubbed
I came here to start a riot, and even in the half of the video I was not convinced because is one of my most beloved players but you did man, you convinced me, he was just a good player who could've been an all time great but consistently fails by his own. Thanks for the video.
I don't see how u can make this video ain't nobody calling my boi the goat or something mfs know tmac was that guy at one point but Injuries fucked him up if u wanted to make a video on tmac u should've made a what if like everybody else nbs
T-Mac had plenty of help. He just didn't utilize that help. Talent, like T-Mac, is overrated. Without the work ethic, the discipline, the fire or will to win, talent becomes a waste. And T-Mac did not have that.
I loved watching tmac play for the rockets in my teenage years, but the thing I remember most is going up 2-0 in the playoffs on three seperate occasions and losing everytime!
TMac was my favorite player in the early 00's. I understand that we match up full careers to compare who was better. That's completely fair. But to me, the only years that mattered for him were the Orlando years, 00-04. He was the best guard/ forward in the league in my high school years, bar none. The Houston users SUCKED. He was never the same
At around 2:34 you knock Tracy for not shooting 50% from the field and 40% from deep. Do you realize that very few players ever reach that? You can be an elite scorer and still not reach those numbers. Ask Kobe Bryant if tmac was "overrated." (He said tmac was the hardest player to guard). It's clear that you don't even watch basketball...
People keep bringing this up, I truly think people believe that the NBA has 1 person lineups or something, because last time I checked, it's a 5v5, you can be the best 1v1 player, but if you can't win 5v5 then you're not a complete basketball player
Charles Cooks you can't compare a role player, who mostly shoots wide open shots, to a star player at the guard position. Also keep in mind that isolation was a very popular playstyle during mcgrady's prime, so he shot a lot from a predictable offensive scheme with little ball movement, meaning he had to shoot a lot of poor quality shots. This obsession with shooting percentage is just stupid. Anyone who brings up a role player's shooting percentages to try an undermine mcgrady clearly has never watched basketball before...
Not a fan of this type of analytics. Context matters and TMac unfortunately had to force way to much offense due to the Grant Hill and Yao Ming injury situations that left his teams under manned and salary cap strung. He never had the luxury of picking and choosing his spots/shots, because 1/3 of the pay roll was sitting out entire seasons...
Yet he was more than willing to throw his teammates under the bus for loses. He is jus another high volume inefficient player that gets hyped up cause of his talent.
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Basketball Examined after watching this video I have one question would you consider Kobe Bryant overrated
I agreed that he's overrated but I don't agree with comparing his Rockets team to any team in the east coast the east was still weaker than the West around those times and even today
McGrady is another player whose career has been overrated due to people getting caught up in memorable moments and highlights. Notice I said CAREER not individual basketball skill.
Exactly and the result is many players that were less flashy but extremely consistent get lost in the fold because of the cultural prominence of high-volume low efficiency scorers, especially in the Post Jordan/Early 2000s. Just wish some different guys got their respect for once like Alex English, Adrian Dantley, Glen Rice or Chris Mullin. Rarely spoken about, but those guys were awesome.
@@Joseph-yx6cl they actually do, can't if ppl talk about the same guys all the time which is annoying.
Kobe and iverson as well.
Tmac was very explosive player like Westbrook, only tmac was better and was a great defender and always guard the best player from the other team
And a better scorer
just like how people believe russ plays harder than every pg just coz he yells and dunks hard when even curry tries to play more D and is better off ball than him
This is another good example of a guy who would’ve greatly benefitted from playing some college hoops. He would’ve learned a lot more about team play and self-discipline.
Alamo James
Why do you need to go to college 🏫 when you can make money 💰 and go to the NBA 🏀?!!
College is a waste & you don’t learn much in college
So Kobe was a team player!!
Jay Jay
I was dead serious
Jay Jay
NCAA is a Sham
It’s corrupted coaches & players alike
I wish more high school basketball players were allowed to play professional basketball 🏀
Or just practicing harder.
very hard to watch but also very well reasoned. kudos for your work.
As a T-Mac fan, this did hurt but facts are facts so kudos to BBallexplained!
See that’s the problem with you casual fans. You confuse entertaining with greatness. Tmac was an ENTERTAINING player not necessarily a great one. With all his talent and athleticism made him must see tv but unfortunately that doesn’t always translate to success in the NBA.
Reggie Robinson tell Kobe that
You do kno he blew both of his knees bruh ... Prob not tho you seem like a guy who thinks steph curry would beat t mac in a one on one
@@darrellsaunders6089 wait which Tmac we talking about here?
@@Sevatar_VIIIth any one in the nba bruh t mac was a monster a scoring machine at 6'7 would demolish steph in a 1v1
@@darrellsaunders6089 who cares about 1v1 it's a team sport
Other points that can be added (and some overlap with this video)
Baron Davis outplayed T-Mac in the 3 Hornet wins of the 2002 1st Round, not just in the clutch. All without his best teammate Jamal Mashburn.
Averages in 3 Hornet wins / Magic losses
Baron Davis
29.7 ppg - 10.7 rpg - 9.0 apg - 1.8 TOpg
43% FG - 40% 3PT - 76% FT
Tracy McGrady
30.7 ppg - 4.7 rpg - 5.0 apg - 3.7 TOpg
46% FG - 38% 3PT - 74% FT
In 3 different Playoffs, T-Mac ranked among the top 3 worst 4th/OT FG% shooters when the score was within 5 points (minimum 10 FGA).
2001 Playoffs - 27% FG (4/15) - 3rd worst
2002 Playoffs - 25% FG (3/12) - worst
2008 Playoffs - 20% FG (2/10) - 3rd worst
Since shot-by-shot data on BBall-ref is available (2001-present), nobody else has ranked among the top 3 worst shooters in those situations in 3 different Playoffs.
T-Mac never lost to an eventual NBA Finalist in the Playoffs as a starter. This means that he was not even losing to the best competition in the Playoffs.
The 2000 Magic were 0.500 the year before T-Mac arrived and the 2003 and 2004 Rockets had consecutive winning seasons prior to his arrival on the 2005 team. If any true superstar is given a team that already has a 0.500 or winning record, there's no excuse for failing to win any playoff series during that time.
The Magic may have been a mediocre supporting cast, but every other East team was also mediocre when T-Mac made the 2001-2003 Playoffs. The 2002 and 2003 East have the two worst records for a 1-seed in the 16-team format (1984-present) with the 52-30 Nets in 2002 and 50-32 Pistons in 2003.
Jason Kidd joined a 26-56 Nets team and immediately took them to consecutive NBA Finals, the only time in history a sub-30 team has immediately gone to consecutive Finals. If Jason Kidd can take Richard Jefferson and Kenyon Martin (never had 10 PPG or 13 PPG, respectively, in a series without Kidd's passing) to consecutive NBA Finals, there's no excuse for T-Mac to fail to win a single playoff series with Orlando.
T-Mac had good help in Houston and still failed to win a series. Yao had 21-8 on 66% in the 2005 1st Round and completely outplayed Dirk with 21-9 on 35%. In 2007 he had 25-10 on 44% FG and 88% FT.
In 2009 when T-Mac was hurt and didn't play, the Rockets finally won a series and took the eventual champion Lakers to 7 games in the WCSF, and that was with Yao missing more than half the 2nd round as well. The Rockets were good enough to take the 65-17 champions to 7 games without their TWO best players, completely refuting any excuses about T-Mac not having good enough help.
Orlando did lose to the champion Detroit Pistons in 7 games. Stop with the narratives.
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Nobody Touches Jordan too much shit to read
he is overrated though
Nobody Touches Jordan shutcho fan ass up
Fucking stat geeks annoying
McGrady getting outplayed by Baron Davis was brutal...... There's no excuses for losing that series against the Hornets.
Mr.Calculus/TheUnBiasedDude owned his fucking soul. I think if given the option, he would have gone back to the locker room and skipped OT entirely if he could have.
11:39 these kids probably weren’t old enough to watch the series, but T-Mac played on an injured back, and u can see that at 11:39
Baron D is very good.
Tmac had to leave the court several times to get his back attended to but yall dont know this because you probable just searched Tmac playoff series lol.
Because Baron Davis is a beast, and also beat Mavs in 1st round
I think hes rated right where hes suppose to be. Nobody puts in the top 10 convo. Or even the top 20 even. They just say he was a good player.
Alvin Elmore nah theres plenty of people saying hes a top 10 sg of all time. Trust me, I've had plenty of coversationa with people.
I would put him the top 10 Shooting guards. Not in the top 10 in General. It would be hard for me to find more then 10 SG that was better then him.
Alvin Elmore what does being better than have to do with overall career tho? I can def name 10- 15 sgs who had better careers than tmac. Yall have to stop making everything a whos better than who debate. Tmac may be individually more talented than john havlicek, but Hondo had 10xs the career tmac had. Thats all that matter at the end of the day. What was accomplished? Besides the allstar, and the few scoring titles, tmac didnt do much else in his career to be considered top 10.
Who had a better career and who was a better player is two different questions. TMAC is in the top 10 greatest shooting guards of all time.
Jordan
Kobe
Dwade
Jerry West
Allen Iverson
Clyde Drexler
George Gervin
TMAC
I cant think of any other shooting gauds better then him.
Alvin Elmore u literally just repeated the same thing without giving anything to prove it. WHY does he belong on that list? What did he do in his career to be on that list? Hondo beats him in every aspect. So does ray allen, so does earl monroe, even reggie miller was slighty ahead of him. If ur list is solely based on talent then fine, but an all time great list based on career is for players WHO ACTUALLY ACCOMPLISHED SOMETHING. Tmac is NOT top 10 all time for anything. Ill give u top 11-15 at best.
MAC was my favorite player growing up but this dude for the most part is spitting facts, McGrady was just missing something, he was still great but no legend
Super overrated
It’s called having a bad back
@@melvynsngltn27 imma Houston Rockets fan & i agree with you
At 23:00 The Second Round Virgin Tracy McGrady LMFAOOOOO
You one lame ass nigga
King Dami that sign is funny as fuck dude
Diandre Miller lmao... I caught that too.
Facts😂😂
@@KingDami1999 Nigga STFU have some humor lmao
As a Tracy McGrady fan, this is a tough pill to swallow, but the truth. When you compare the elite guards of the 00’s, particularly Kobe and McGrady, Kobe often came alive in the 4th and OT. How many times can we remember Kobe taking over games in the waning moments, even in Shaq’s absence? Kobe’s competitiveness was unmatched. Tracy had all the talent and abilities, but lacked the relentless will. Tracy was admittedly not a good practice player. I believe if he had the same work habits and mentality of Kobe, we’d be talking about him in a much different light. It would have been a treat to see Kobe and T-Mac matched up in a playoff series. We are only left to think...what if?
Kobe was horrible in the 4th. Atrocious fg%. Kobe narrative(i.e LIES )need to stop
@@exiled5160kobe was a baller in the 4th quarter. He took over so many 4th quarters and has the most game winning or go ahead shots in nba history. There was a poll that went out at some point during kobes career that asked gms which player they wanted to have the ball in the 4th quarter and kobe ended up winning that poll.
wow never realized how much Tracy McGrady choked
AS a Canadian, it's sad to say, he has the Raptors' DNA lol
Black Panther if you say carmelo is overrated then tmac not hating on tmac
Yep.
Not a part of the media narrative about his career.
So yeah raptors won, nobody choked this time though
TMac overrates himself 😂 just listening to him as an analyst he's always pointing the finger at everyone but himself in regards to his career
Imagine if he was on the 08 Celtics team?
Ummm... his second best player was either Darrell Armstrong or Pat Garritty. Mike Miller was traded for Drew Golden for an idiotic reason and he was the second option in Houston behind Yao and was injury riddled. When you are the only option and have no one to Pass to you will be inefficient.
@@christopherblake2588 *cough* Vince Carter *cough* Grant Hill *cough*
Axel Dickinson McGrady was better than Vince and would’ve been a number two option which wouldn’t make sense and Grant Hill was always inured. Vince has his own issues in Toronto as well so let’s not do that either. Keep me coming bro. Lol
@@christopherblake2588 you said his second best player was Darrell Armstrong or Pat Garritty when in reality he played with 3 HOFers in Yao, VC and Hill. Keep me coming bro
T-Mac = Carmelo. Both great talents but not winners.
Aaron Arguelles tmac was a way better playmaker than melo ever was. Melo was only s better rebounder because he would always rebound his misses in the post. Tmac > melo on defense as well.
@@sinful541 my 2ft dog is better than Carmelo on defence... that dude can't move his fat ass to save his life on defence
Melo went further than t Mac in the playoffs chill
Aaron Arguelles
Melo advance to a conference finals with Denver
T Mac never made it past the Conference Quarterfinals
T-Mac >> Melo... not even close. T-Mac could control the offense and was a great passer, and defended way better too.
He was Overrated after leaving the Raptors I remember him winning stuff like scoring titles and always talked about at skool. Especially the game vs Spurs. He's very talented but he wasn't the killer like me or Kobe to Win at all cost!!! Love me sum mcgrady but he was more Popular than a Winner facts
This breaks my heart.. I saw the thumbnail to this video months ago but didn't want to watch it.. now I finally did and it hurts me to say you make some great points
Well he forgets to mention he had to leave the game at times to have his back tended too also injuries held him from his full potential for kobe to say tmac is on his level let’s you know he isn’t overrated. Shaw said if lebron picked kobe he would pick tmac Shaq isn’t going to pick an overrated player
I got to say whenever you bring up all these shooting statistics, Stephen Curry's numbers are kind of mind blowing.
Sohaib Jamil lmao exactly
Lol second in effective field goal percentage only behind Shaq. He’s even ahead of Kareem LMFAO
fax its crazy! Imagine if Curry has an inefficient season where he just chucks up shots lol he'll avg 31 ppg
Thats why Curry is PGoat
@@Ali-zd4sz curry nearly averaged 31 PPG on 50/40/90 tho?????
This video did 3 things. 1. Proved beyond shadow of doubt T-Mac is in fact overrated. 2. Made a lot of dudes in comments look like emotional lesbians who can't employ manly way of critical thinking and are guided by emotions instead as a female usually is and 3. 21:20 those shooting %s , bruh... That made me hurt.
“I feel that it’s all on my shoulders.If we don’t go to the second round, it’s on me”
Tracy mcgrady
This video is also showing how clutch Baron Davis was 😁
He was a fucking beast.
@@LynxStarAuto very well underrated too
This dudes breakdowns be crushing childhood memories 😭😂😂
This is one of the best in depth dissertation like video of an athlete I've ever seen. You were unbiased n used empirical data. I also never thought T-mac was a HOF...living n Orlando during his time I would always see Grant Hill, Darryl Armstrong, Pat Garrity etc working out at RDV but never T-Mac. The one time I met T-Mac was where else but at the club with his homegirl Mike Miller lol
Dnyce he was completely bias, name the one time he said McGrady performed well in x game. He never did. Talk about inefficient against the Jazz in 08 and not even talk about McGrady dropping 40 points on the Jazz in the elimination game, but that would be unbiased. The reason why I look at channels like this with eye rolls, because if you’re going to make an argument at least see both sides that’s one of the first thing you’re taught when being persuasive.
The bias is clear this guy also included his injured stats in Houston in the in depth breakdown. He also started getting injured right out of high school. He was a for sure career all star if not for the injuries. Sad really. how can a guy who's career was ruined by injuries be overrated, thats like saying d rose is overrated, or brandon roy is overrated.
Tmac got his best years playing basketball with The Orlando magic.
And got injured And got trade to Houston and wasn’t the same player anymore The played in Orlando
And tmac is on another different level than grant hill , tmac was very closed to be on Kobe’s level
Because he was a two way player like Kobe and always was guarding the best player from the other team
And not just like Westbrook The is just explosive the can’t play defense against Donovan Mitchell,
Tmac was special player
@@alexandermoon7218 pump the brakes T-Mac was never a two-way player name a time where he was all defensive team anything
Axl Through TMac was lackadaical on defense! 😂😂😂😂🤦♂️ stop it
Tracy McGrady was overrated. People who are mad are the same who think Westbrooks the best point guard in the NBA lmao
I rate T-Mac as maybe the most talented Player ever but Westbrook haha shite..
Nobody who actually watches the NBA thinks Russel Westbrook is the best point guard, maybe they think he is 3rd best which is still inaccurate but I think the biggest mistake people make about Westbrook is calling him a Top 5 player. I love the man's game, it just doesn't translate to long term success
King Similien u sound butthurt lmao
Allen Iverson is another similar player in that sense. I still like him but I have to be honest.
Jay R AI saw success with his play style however. He literally carried a team into the finals. Injuries also grounded his game, plus the league catches up to you as well. AI's problem wasn't that he choked or screwed up during games, it was that he was undisciplined, and has his body wore down, it caught up to him.
There is going to be a bunch of Stans who are going to just read the title, not watch the video and say "You don't know basketball".
But any logical human being with the attention span of a 9 year old, will see this video's composition is 90% made up of Tmac making atrocious shot selection, missing key free throws, not playing defense, and turning the ball over in pivotal moments of games. The Neanderthal stans refer to this a "clutch".
Excellent video. Tmac was fun to watch, but extremely overrated, one sided, and not a true deserving HOF'er
You can spot deficiency like that in almost every single superstar in the NBA. Lebron missed clutch freethrows, played no defense in the finals. Kobe had an AWFUL shot selection sometimes and was a ballhog most of the times, etc, etc, etc.
Fact is T-Mac was as good as Lebron or Kobe. Carried Orlando with 24 years old (MJ got in the league with 23 so we can have perspective on this). And then Injuries fucked him. BTW Yao Ming was always injured too.
Championship Barbosa But did Tmac carry his teams past the first round?
Juicy Shaq Meat winning is situational, if you play ball you know he had it all its just that injuries fucked him. Btw his first coach in the NBA said he would be out of the league in 3 years. Imagine a teen with back issues and then his knee... and he kept playing.
Championship Barbosa those guys at least got out of the first round in their primes, with such talent you should be able to do better than that
dude he was injured his whole career, like were you alive when he played? The man never got to develop. He started getting injured at 19. By 23 he was already at a state like many retiring players. He was overrated in the sense that he never developed in the same sense that Derrick Rose is overrated? like what are you saying
You need to upload more bro.
I like your content.
Very informative, and not biased.
Baron was filthy back then faxx.. most good nba players could score 20+ppg if they had the flashing green light like Tmac had.. Tmac was very inefficient!!
I never realized but every 20 PPG scorer was inefficient like really inefficient
@@G34SZN what???
@@applycontext9161 if you look at the stats, back when tmac played, most of the 20 ppg scorers were inefficient
@@G34SZN they were efficient for their era
@@applycontext9161 ik but it still feels weird seeing someone average 20 ppg on 40% shooting to be considering a top player in the league. nowadays that would be different
Ahh, indeed a tough pill to swallow. TMAC was my favorite player and every year he would get eliminated in the first round I found myself giving him excuses. As I’ve gotten older and gained a better understanding of basketball I can now see he wasn’t a winning player. His basketball IQ isn’t at the caliber of a top tier winner. His shot selection in games , especially late in games was questionable. He didn’t want to play hard defense and while his assist numbers were well above average for his position he didn’t seem to get his teammates involved early enough in games.
TMAC is a very weird player because his talent is alpha/1st option level however his mentality just wasn’t. He didn’t handle interviews like an alpha and would always try to blame teammates or opponents. McGrady would have greatly benefitted from a coach like Popovich or a few years in college. I also believe he would have been better suited as the number 2 guy on a championship contender instead of first option as he obviously could not handle the pressure. Much like James Harden.
This is a good point 👉 One of my favorite talented players of all times, he just needed good coaching or hada teammate that was a leader.
IMO one of the most questionable HOF players ever.
Absolutely, especially a 1st ballad HOF 🤦♂️
100% he was okay far from great though
Yeah. And we'll say the same about James Harden if he doesn't find a way to win a title.
Rubin Turner not really. Harden has the numbers, an mvp and has been top 2-5 running for the last 8 years, actually passed the 1st round and made the finals before, no one will question if harden ever makes it 1st ballot
Kingdudehh I mean did you not watch the vid? Look at his achievements. He didn’t accomplish anything to be one let along 1st ballot
Mcgrady should have been somebody’s Pippen not an MJ wannabe like the NBA kind of created itself. There are more Pippens than Jordan’s but for awhile after 1991, every nba team had to force their Pippens into Jordan shoes and a Jordan role.
Some people say McGrady was a playoffs failure *exclusively* because of his bad teams. These people always blame his teams but never T-Mac.
The only purpose of this video is to show that this is not true. The video shows us that T-Mac had chances to win games (against same-level or even worse teams) but "choked", made horrible decisions. Period.
People always put T-Mac as an unlucky man for not advancing in playoffs but he had his chances to shine and didn't. So yeah, people rate him higher than he really was when it comes to playoffs. What does this mean? Overrated.
His injuries are not to be discussed here. No one said he was bad. The dude is just saying that McGrady was also responsible for his playoffs failures and that people tend to ignore a player's flaws when they enjoy this specific player.
McGrady was good, but just like any other scoring points machine, the kind of player who produces a shit ton of magic moments since they try a lot of times, his flaws are ignored and only his good moments are remembered.
Great vid my brother. Seen your Carmelo Anthony video as well. Really greatful of your footage also. I started watching basketball heavy in like 09 during kobe's dominance. Even tho he was kinda out his youth at the time, his work ethnic drove him to stay consistent.
So i missed the peak years of the Vinces the Iversons the Pierces the Nashes the O'Neals and the McGrady. And you've helped get get some closure as to me feeling like I've missed out on players careers .
Thanks for that!
T-Mac was my favorite player when I was in middle school and high school. I wore #1 because of him. Because of that, this video was very difficult to watch. As one of his biggest fans, I can’t refute anything in this video.
You should have picked Penny Hardaway as a reason for #1!
Daddy Famlittle I had the lil penny doll.. Does that count?! I know my spot fool! 😂
Not to sound like Zack Johnson but you and the NBA storyteller are underrated af.
I think pretty much all of the shot chuckers have been overrated. Yes, they were fun to watch when they'd heat up, but they'd shoot their team out of the game as much as they'd shoot their team into the game. Westbrook, McGrady, Iverson, Anthony and quite a few other big name scorers could all fall into that category.
I included Iverson in that list because he never seemed like a leader by example, was lazy in practice, and didn't seem to make his teammates better. Compare him to Jordan, or one of the other superstars who had a reputation for going all out in practice, setting that tone, and pushing their teammates to be better, and I feel that while he was a very good ball player, he never was as great as he could have been.
I've excluded Kobe Bryant from that list because even though he was a shot chucker, he was very driven and pushed his teammates to be better, much like Jordan did. So his value to his team was a separate metric that outweighed him "shooting all the balls".
Yes, this is the best comment I've ever seen. Great post
The only difference is that kobe had Phil jackson, which he benefited tremendously. He was the only coach who could contain kobe and kept him in check.
I was ready to mention Kobe lol but you made a good point about the leadership aspect. He was a competitor and that inspired people to try harder
I wouldn’t compare Westbrook to tmac,
T Mac was pretty much more explosive than Westbrook with better dunks and
Was a two way player like Kobe,
Orlando tmac always was guarding the best player from the other team
And not just was a great scorer and also a great defender, Westbrook is terrible defender He couldn’t play defense against a rookie Donovan Mitchell ,and having Paul George and melo he couldn’t Carried his team to win in the playoffs,that’s overrated.
Tmac played with heart and only because he got injured and his body gave up on him, at least he showed the years he played in Orlando he was the real deal
LeBron averages more shots per game than Kobe
Every time I tell someone Tmac didn’t deserve to be a 1st ballot HOF, some casual ALWAYS brings up his 13 pts in 35 seconds 😂😂😂
1:42 That Blue Magic star print jersey is sickkkkk. Right up with there with the old Green Sonics jerseys from late 90’s for coolest throwback.
2007 Rockets team was abused by Carlos Boozer, love Chuck Hayes but he was still only 6’6 a defender and rebounder. Luis Scola was a monster for Argentina, and a former MvP in his league. The switch from a Mcgrady do everything JVG coaching style, to a more Princeton offense scheme under Adelman was also a main difference. Asking one player to be your entire offense initiator left McGrady gassed at the end of games. He could’ve still pulled it through, but even Lebron and Iverson who were able to pull it off successfully had the same inefficiency and closing struggles.
That little bit from Kerr at the end is so true. He's such an intelligent and articulate guy, no wonder he knows how to get the best out of his players
He’s definitely overrated, and I like TMac. He’s not an all time great. Never had a great playoff series. Got worse in the playoffs. Never got out of the first round.
ehh.........................check the stats HE GOT BETTER in the playoffs. His teammates did not. You clearly don't know basketball.
AboutMillions And how many playoff series wins did it translate to? McGrady ended up playing with Yao Ming, and Houston got better without TMac. I know more basketball than you. He made no one better. If he’s that good, you win a series. Point blank, period. Blew a 3-1 series. Stop with the excuses.
VT 24 GTFOH. He was riding the fucking bench. TMac overrated. Get over it.
VT 24 No he didn’t. That nigga was a water boy. Dude did NOTHING. Stop it.
jmaal2345 no he wasnt, he was an NBA player lmfao. Delete ya comment stupid lying ass nigga. You must be embarrassed ASF huh lil bitch😎. You've been #FactChecked hater
This proves a good point amount many NBA players of all-time.
To be a great player you have do whatever it takes to win.
The grit and grind like MJ, LeBron, and Kobe have. That what makes them stand out from players like T-Mac, Melo, and others.
Paul Pierce and Dirk had great grit those years they won the championship and it truly shows how much they want to win.
Tmac was one of my favorite players growing up. This Video is sad but true. He was Never a winner or someone who Made Players around him better. His fg percentage is pretty Low for someone his height considering he can shoot over smaller Defenders. He surely was Fun to Watch but that does Not define a successful career. Its like with westbrook in okc. Insane numbers but he is a one man Show. Players like harden or oladipo couldnt Grow on the same Team with westbrook. And now they are Franchise Players. Westbrook cant even reach over 50 wins in a Season with Players like Paul George, melo and steven Adams. Great numbers and Great names doesnt make a Great Team.
Agreed. And now 1 yr later westbrook is at the rockets. He said he wont change he plays🙄. I see a melo career about to happen
And also, Magics won over 40 games before McGrady got there. He never improved the team considering their roster was bad(Doc won COTY because how Magics were able to win over 40 games before T-Mac and Grant Hill got there).
Mr.Calculus/TheUnBiasedDude lol. The magic signed grant hill on a sign and trade and gave away pieces that were apart of that team that won 40 games. Tmac was 21! He carried them into the playoffs and faced a loaded bucks team with Sam cassell, ray Allen, Glenn Robinson 3 all stars and the magic had a rookie Mike miller. Let’s not act that the magic weren’t meant to be swept tf out of that series. T-mac had unbelievable numbers during that playoff run and he was the sole option on offense. I think it’s very harsh to say they didn’t improve when Tmac had no help. Did Kobe even make it out of the first round without shaq and gasol? No. Teams win series not individuals it’s very rare that u see one man teams have success in the playoffs.
This comment shows that you don't know about losing grant hill to injury or trading ben wallace and corey maggette or whatever just paint your own picture.
Its actually hilarious to read everyones comments. They think they sound smart but they have no fucking clue how bad Tmacs teammates were and how young he was when carrying tf out of them. He was running into big 3s in the playoffs his whole career and still went the distance and his team pretty much relied on him every single possession.
They also missed the playoffs the year before TMac got there. So he did improve Orlando. And the Bucks were terrified of him that year in the playoffs. They were scared to look at him.
@@mashwork6615 u don't understand, they traded their pieces for t-mac thinking he could take them to the next level when he matured more. Clearly he couldn't do that. He is overated simple as that, his rockets team is the perfect example of this.
I'm so glad someone made this video. TMac die-hards are so weird. As passionate as Kobe fans, but without any of the actual reasons to back it up. His game was wonderfully aesthetic, but, aside from like two especially good Magic seasons, he wasn't a particularly special player in terms of production. Sure, he was "cool", but not effective.
Can't believe he got into the Hall of Fame. Really weakens the quality of it all for me. And it's a damn shame that he did and someone like Derrick Rose won't despite VERY similar situations. A talented player with a couple of great peak years, and a wonderful aesthetic, yet they never delivered on the promise of that talent due to injuries. Not sure why TMac gets a pass here and Rose won't. At least Rose won an MVP and several playoff series.
People keep saying "he didn't get the chance due to injury" or "he never reached his peak development due to injury", which is so stupid to me. It's not the "Hall of what could've been". You get in based on what you actually did in your career. If injuries prevented a supremely talented player from actually accomplishing anything, then that's too bad. Physical durability is a major part of athletics.
Super late to the party, but I just wanna throw my two cents in anyways.
Tmac belongs in the HOF for two reasons:
First, Tmac was 7x All-NBA, which means that for the better part of a decade, a panel of NBA-affiliated voters whose entire life is dedicated to basketball, voted Tmac as a top player in the league.
Second, Tmac led the league in scoring twice. No NBA scoring leader has EVER been left out of the HOF. Mac did it two times.
You state DRose won't make the HOF, but insinuate that Rose "deserves" it more than Tmac, because of his playoff wins and MVP. Rose only has 1 All-NBA award, and was only a top-tier player 1 season. Tmac undoubtedly had a better career. Just go to basketball-reference.
This is a great video detailing how overrated tmac was in his prime. The one decision in tmac's career he regrets was leaving the raptors and his cousin vince carter. He would have had a much better career with vince and the raptors. You should do more videos of players who were underrated and overrated.
Jason Espinal not only that, he recently said he would have totally deferred to another start if he had played alongside one.
To be fair tho, he assumed he was gonna be playing with Grant Hill in Orlando. Plus they were pretty close to signing Tim Duncan until he changed his mind at the last minute. His career would look a lot different.
He literally got injured before reaching his prime
I knew what T Mac was about when he left one of his best teammates he ever had in Toronto to "be the man" in Orlando. Also when he was mocking Big Dog Robinson in the playoffs but losing the series. Also him talking about "it feels good to get out the first round of the playoffs" vs Detroit before the series vs over, only to lose the series. He saw AI, Kobe and Vince getting the shine and wanted a situation where he wold get paid and score. Then people propping him up cause he was a flashy swingman. The way he looked at it was, if he won great, if he didn't great. As long as he got his and was "the man". Then the injuries.
When tracy himself said "im a gamer, you put me in a game and the lights are bright and stands are filled thats what i was" makes me think that he was selfaware.
Lmao that segment about the Magic vs. Hornets series shows how he made up the myth that he had no help himself. Love this video
Some fair points in the video. But trying to debunk the "he didn't have enough help" argument didn't seem that strong to me. Other than arguably the Hornets series where you aptly pointed out Mashburn got hurt, every other team he played on was generally favored to lose. Other than that 2007 series against the Jazz where for the first time in his career, his team was favored to actually win. Of course he was a much lesser version of the player he was in orlando during that series but he indeed should have made it happen. So to me, the case to call tmac overrated should center on that one year.
So you compared the 2007 & 2008 Rockets and stated that they advanced without him and thus made the case for "not enough help" as being a thin argument. But honestly, if you analyzed the players on each team you'd notice two really big differences in the lineups: the pg & pf spots. Brooks & Alston are not equal and neither are Scola and Hayes. Brooks was way more capable than Alston offensively, being able to make plays off the dribble with penetration, shoot long 3s from distance from spotups and coming off screens, and playing a very solid pick n roll game. And as much as I loved Hayes' tenacity and defensive mindset, Scola was undeniably greater than Hayes, being able to space the floor from midrange, and having a very proficient post game to boot. Alston could only shoot open 3s and brick floaters, and Hayes as good as he was with finishes around the rim from passes from tmac, was a total offensive liability, letting guys like Boozer sag so far off of him to help on tmac's drives, and further helping the Jazz quarantine him. If tmac had just one of these guys trade places with their counterpart, it would have been enough. I watched every game in that Jazz series, and I'm telling you, the very fact that alston could only occasionally hit the spot up 3 and not create anything offensively, and Boozer being able to sag completely off Hayes and let Okur camp in the paint, really helped deter tmac's effectiveness in trying to score on multiple physical defenders with Kirilenko being the main one (this also happened in the 04-05 Dallas series with Ryan Bowen filling in for Juwan Howard). The times tmac found the open man, he found bricks. And it wore on him and his already worn body. Not to mention that the bench for the Rockets in the latter team was better.
Having said all this, I do think that year was the best year for tmac to actually get out of the first round. If he was as healthy as he was in orlando, none of this would be a conversation. it just bothers me that we judge an individual players' holistic value and greatness solely on factors that are somewhat beyond one's control. If Grant Hill never got hurt and played in Orlando, would tmac really have been evaluated as thus worthy of hall-of-fame status and no longer overrated? If Juwan Howard hadn't gotten injured right before the dallas series, would that have mad tmac inherently better? What about the length of the first round going from 5 games to 7 in that Detroit series? The main factor that he should be criticized for is his indirect way of leadership in my opinion. But as far as everything on the court, he's every bit as good as the superstars compared to him, and better than 2-3 of them in my opinion. You take away the one all-star from any one of those other allstars (Allen had cassell & glenn robinson, Kobe had shaq, Pierce had Antoine, etc.,) and you'll see a similar lack of success.
Antoine Walker was overrated
Even still, tmac didn't have an equivalent. he had starting 5's where his second best player was a young mike miller and darrell armstrong. The rest of his team weren't even stalwarts on defense like Allen Iverson's teams were. On both sides of the ball, those magic teams were tragically below par.
That's how most of the teams were built back in the days. 1999-2000 Magics won 41 games before T-Mac got there. He never improved the Magics at all, he can't carry a team. Grant Hill carried a Pistons team to 54 wins with an old Joe Dumars on his team...
The 1999-2000 magic weren't an awesome team but some notably good players on that team that would have greatly helped form a good support cast around tmac were corey maggette, matt harpring, ben wallace, chucky atkins, etc. These were all players that didn't follow into the 2000-2001 magic team. Perhaps a lot of these players left because of their minutes being taken up by tmac and Grant Hill. Perhaps it was due to cap space but even a point guard like Chauncey was on that 1999-2000 magic team though he never played cuz of injury. Regardless, what followed was a magic team that was built on having tmac and hill and because hill went down, not only did tmac not have another star to play with, but there was no space on the team left to sign any other significant players.
True, Dumars was hitting the end of his playing career but look at the rest of the roster and compare it to Tmac's first season with the magic. I suppose you can equate Darrell Armstrong to Lindsey Hunter, and Mike Miller to Michael Curry but look at the pistons' bigs. Young theo ratliff was no joke defensively and otis thorpe still had some in the tank, along with bad boy rick mahorn. If you watch the magic games back then, it was hard enough for tmac to get his 6 assists a game passing to stiffs like andrew declerq and one trick ponies like Pat Garrity. If he just had some level of apt, solid role players, it would have been enough.
Regardless, I'm not going to discredit everything about this video, because I think tmac's main weakness was his lack of leadership. But in terms of him overall, I don't think players like Pierce, Carter, & Allen faced quite the level of bad luck as tmac did. I'm not saying ALL those teams had superstars, but none of the has a key/star contributor/big offseason signing never play with their other star, costing them any ability to sign other key role players. At least to my knowledge. Tmac probably should have stayed in Toronto with VC and we probably wouldn't even be debating.
Jon Lau Baron Davis owned his soul in that series. They were not underdogs in the slightest. That series was 50/50. Look at that final possession in OT, TMac wanted nothing to do with the play or BD. He had fear in his eyes! Orlando were also not favorites against the bucks, but that Bucks team was atrocious on defense, and he underperformed in that one too.
The only nod I'll give you is those Houston teams. They needed a better bench, and injuries caused a lot of chemistry issues. I think it is safe to say, that we never even got to see an 80% Houston team in the playoffs during his tenure.
Still, he was the leader of those Houston teams, and he had big hiccups in those series (missed defensive assignments, turnovers, and missed free throws). That is unacceptable imo.
Outside of that, I still agree Tmac was overrated. He was a flashy player, and they have a way of tricking us with their play style. where we see them do an incredible dunk, or make a ridiculous shot, and they pass the eye test. We immediately revert to this guy is legit. However, most of these players are exposed in the playoffs when the real scouting report happens, real defense is played, and the game slooooows down, and fundamentals become key. It happens to almost all of them.
Lol at the “Second Round Virgin” sign at 23:00
brutal
This video was great. I appreciate this era where alot of persons stats and careers are easily documented and statisticalized. There have been other good players before in the NBA that were just as good and not in the Hall of Fame. whats the criteria for the HOF though? Just a good regular season player that doesnt have leadership to carry a team - the HE commentates on who doesnt have killer instincts, clutch and rings? people blame injuries stopped his potential...what about the many other franchise players who didnt due to injuries also? are they hall of famers too? I think popularity got some people into the HOF and he is one of them.
Its a shame that his career broke down after his years in Houston because we could have seen more from him, as Mike Korzemba said he wasn't built to lead a team, but to help someone lead a team.
Love me some Baron Davis. One of those "what if" careers where injuries derailed something special. Which applies to McGrady as well.
A perfect example of a hero ball clutch player who wasn't clutch at all
Tmac lacked clutch & leadership & that was the reason for him choking in playoffs. That’s what separated him from from others in that era. They were all volume shooters in most inefficient as well as Kobe who only averaged a .447 to TMac .435 field goal percentage. & mid to late 90s into early 00s had a lot of ugly defensive games
You always dive into the stats well bro but like you quoted 'numbers without context is just dots'.. Have you seen the rosters he was on during the first half of his prime before the move to the rockets. This is very different from westbrook having oladipo, kanter and sabonis not getting their shots.2000-2004 Pat garrity, out of shape Shawn Kemp, Drew gooden lol. Tyronne Lue and Mike miller were his best and most healthy team mates so its very easy for the defense to focus solely on T-mac
Wow. NGL you made some great points. I was expecting to disagree you off the bat. Dope vid
The problem with TMac is he never had a healthy back, together with Yao with his problem with his foot, they weren't going to be good against Kobe, Duncan and KG, all HOFers in their conferences at that time.
If grant hill didn't get hurt, we probably aren't having this conversation.
If Doc Rivers wasn't a complete moron not allowing Duncan to bring his family, Magic would've been a dynasty
exeterra what did doc rivers do?
@Afflictionzv1 thank Doc for that.
My Spurs went on to be greats.
Agree, he had not much support cast in Orlando... Love my Magics, but there was not much support, and Hill's injury didn't just affect the game, but also limited the cash to acquire another player. The other players that compared had a good cast around them.
Not true, he has no excuse for the Houston days
As Tracy being my favorite growing up this really hurt me 😔 but logic out weigh emotions and the truth is the truth
Tracy McGrady is no Hall of Famer Chris Webber should be in the Hall of Fame over him
none of them are hall o famers none made the finals
Yardie 876 Chris Webber is no hall of famer great player but no HOF
Kierston Deloach Webber was better than McGrady though. And the only reason CWebb didn't make the Finals was because of the royal screwjob the Kings got in game 6 of the WCF.
@@xaviervega468 also the whole college thing
Stop it
Any other player would be slandered out of their pants for this kind of stuff. I can’t believe this man threw his team under the bus AFTER HE CHOKED.
It's sad to see these people defending T-Mac when James Harden is much better in the playoffs and no one defends him. Harden is labeled as a chocker.
Fat Face Tony nobody's saying Harden is overrated right now.
he's not a choker. he just doesn't care much about D and that's half the game.
Harden has choked countless times in the playoffs.
shaft9000 did you even watch the Rockets last season? I can tell you clearly havent, because James actually plays defense now
On God
Most people overrate people like TMac, Brandon Roy and even DRose because they had potential. Most of them say "if it wasn't for injuries, XYZ would've been a top 10 player of all time!!" or stuff like that.
This hurt my 13yr is self.
How dare you.
But upon further review, you’re right.
Who ranks T-Mac so high that he’s overrated? T-Mac is considered mostly a what if. 🤷🏽♂️
He's a 1st ballad HOF and didn't have a 1st ballad HOF career, how you do that?
All y'all stop comparing him to kobe like damn just stop this video is not about kobe its about tmac
Huh? Blame the media not the comments genius
And now talk about underrated dwyane the great player who carried his team in playoffs just a rookie and already made his mark then only 2nd year in the league almost carried his team to championship he just got injured then finally in his 3rd year he suceeded winning a championship for his team and had one of the best finals performance in history he was one man army in that finals! Plus his stats was better in the playoffs everytime, yet the media criticize him and dont give credit. Smh
LMFAO!! You're counting the stuff he did after the knee injury against him?!!..
Btw, Kobe never averaged above 47% from the field, so what's your point?..smh
In his peak year, McGrady averaged above 30 PER...making him one of only 7 players in NBA history at the time to ever accomplish that. No perimeter star player of his generation has been able to reach 30, not Kobe, not Carter, not Allen, not even Pierce...
You obviously don't know what the hell you're talking about.
The only thing he had to say was Tracy McGrady never won a playoff series that’s all he had to say
hus hus PER is an overrated stat. No one understands how it’s calculated, or how advanced stats work in general.
PER is more useful than Tas stats, lol
Mr.Calculus/TheUnBiasedDude Not really lol.
It is, only measures your 3 Pt shooting, FG, and Free Throw. It's garbage, and people exposed that multiple times on Basketball forums.
Tracy McGrady is why you can't just go off the eye test. If you go off the eye test McGrady is just as good as kobe but stats say otherwise.
so tmac is 2000s westbrook
No that’s AI
I was always a believer in Tracy McGrady not being a Hall-of-fame-material.
Still to this day, I can't understand how he made it into the HoF.
This video is on point. Sure, he had his great moments but at the end of the day, they don't help him much when it comes to his overall success.
['Your a hater comments' incoming]
Hmmmm....seems similar to Lebron apologists....except in TMac's case its all because of injuries and no help. Hall of Fame worthy players usually win at least one playoff series. Accountability has to mean something as the best player on your team. Missing key shots during possible "winning" moments has nothing to do with injuries or not having enough help. The era of excuses....continues. You win....you are lauded...you lose....criticism comes. Many forget how much criticism Jordan received until his team finally managed to win the NBA championship.
Winning changes everything!
Oscar Brown but Lebron actually wins
And let’s not talk about Jordan when there were FINALS series where Scottie was playing offensively as well as the FIRST scoring option and he still had his HOF defense. FOH T-Mac is a HOF, but no one puts him in a top 10-20-30-40-50 or maybe even 60.
This whole video is truly nitpicking at its finest. The only bad series was against Charlotte. This guy put McGrady accomplishments and puts under the rug like yea he put up 36 points in while playing 45 minutes but let’s focus SOLEY on the last 2 minutes of the game. And let’s call a 15 ppg season his prime gtfoh
mrslash blade
I get your explanation....but "context" still is relevant. There have been many top scorers that have come through the league....but in my opinion a true HOF needs to have some sort of "winning" resume credibility (playoffs or championships). Look at how the Raptors top scorers are performing now.....I've heard many think DeRozan might eventually put up HOF worthy "regular season" stats....but again...."in what context". HOF status has to be validated by some sort of winning. Even legendary top scorer Alex English of the Nuggets managed to win a playoff series in his career.
Oscar Brown you know what fair enough I honestly can’t find any counterargument other than the only people who put DeRozan in the HOF are Raptor fans. But the only weak counter argument is there are voters who selected this man to represent the top 6 Guards/Forwards in the league and in 03 he was the best guard in the league while DeRozan struggles to make A All NBA team.
I still stand by the fact that this video was unfair and didn’t have the decency to highlight instances where you asked McGrady to put up clutch shots despite he’s being ran like a race horse for 46 minutes. Not everyone is like a Jordan Kobe Lebron where they can still be just as lethal in minute 48 as they are in minute 1.
mrslash blade
Agreed. These type of videos can prompt debates about biased opinions about Tracy McGrady's "true" value as a player....yet again "winning" has to be factored in as being considered an HOF. TMac's late game efforts withstanding.....he didn't "ever" win a playoff series in the 1st round. This fact cannot be ommited. This video's explanation about his teammates being able to advance without him is a valid point. Criticism is not always a "slight" but instead a measuring tool to put accomplishments and failures in the proper "context"
Ain't nobody counting that SA Spurs run lol. He barely played any and was a non-factor.
23:00 that poster the second round virgin, that's brutal ouch lmao
Respect T-Mac, Kobe himself said him and Iverson was the two players that gave him the most problems along with Tony Allen on Defense. Most teams have 3 star players. He only had 2 but I can't disagree with the practice habits.
literally nobody thinks mcgrady is better than or as good as the players you mentioned.
Exactly lmao
What about Baron Davis?
Great analysis & video! Keep it up.
You know I was going to write you off like you didn't know what you were talking about but I watched your whole video. While I'm not completely swayed by your argument you make A LOT if sense. Well done on the video.
In 09 when the rockets went to 7 games against the lakers with their best players being artest and Yao Ming on no legs while McGrady sat out for his next contract I knew he was overrated. He basically admitted this week while talking about Kobe
Man!! Sad, but true. I still his game, but never realized how consistently inefficient he was. Amazing player to watch, but numbers don't lie! Thanks for the detailed the analysis!
A "top scorer" who cannot hit game winners or even score a bucket in overtime in the playoffs is most definitely overrated. He might have been good, but I hear people talk like he was an elite player who was competing for a championship every year. He is just a guy who wanted to be a high volume shooter so he can put up big numbers, he did not know how to win which is what counts.
Yawn trolll
@@nonamewillbegiven1217 1st round exit machine
@@tosourtobesweet6976 yawn trolll
When you compare him to other similar caliber players, why are you leaving out assists, where none of them come close? This to me exposes your extreme bias. But what is your purpose to drag mcgrady thru the mud, who is honestly one of most underrated and tragic sports figures already? You literally hold his debilitating injuries against him. Hey, do one on how overrated grant hill and Brandon Roy were next. And obviously how overrated Gilbert arenas was. And let’s not forget Elton brand and jermaine O’Neal and Danny granger. Those guys are spoken of way too highly considering their lack of accomplishments.
Tmac was a bit of a volume shooter but he always did it in the context of setting up his teammates. He was harden without the free throw/shooting accuracy but with transcendent athleticism that allowed him to take over with similar effectiveness that we never got to see culminate. Him and Yao were NEVER healthy for a playoff run except when juwan Howard was injured and happened to match up w best player on other team and his replacement was worst player on either roster (Ryan Bowen). And it still took dirty refs. tfoh this video views like a college essay assignment someone did for extra credit but has never watched basketball
yea this video is fucking laughable, he was a sad story of the next great player being destroyed by injuries starting at 19. Why do people do this. This guy used his half played, injured seasons in the in depth stat analysis.
I think he had a good point like the Hornets series, he could have played better down the stretch. But the Mavericks series, he penalized him for being overrated just because he missed a “game tie-er” which was a 2 because he had a foot on the line. Everyone misses game winners. By the way that Dallas Maverick team was no joke and on the come up. I never had TMAC in my top 10 but he was still a good player that has a lot of highlights.
I think this, a lot like arguing against Carmelo Anthony, shows a lack of appreciation for the ability to create magic on occasion. Yes, as a whole, their careers were those of limited players, and pale in comparison to guys like LeBron. However, sometimes, these two players pulled off insane games or moments that no other players could pull off. That's why these players are great and memorable, rather than for their careers as a whole.
The graphic at 6:30 is savage AF. Lmao
I just got there 😳
Let's be real tho Orlando never had a good team with Tmac, it was basically like when kobe had those couple years with smush parker and Kwame....kobe an all time great didnt' do anything with them. When Tmac went to Houston he got them in the playoffs but Yao was hurt alot and so was Tmac, take into account that he west was loaded with defensive teams like the SPURS in their own devision and many more teams. For his prime years he was ELITE, could've been better but nonetheless he was elite in his prime. Top 20 player of his era, probly top 60-70 player of all time
Kobe won playoff series with those squads in harder conference tho
Also some of these series are winnable, why do people gloss over this
Kobe & Tmac were ball hogs who were good on offense
@@melvynsngltn27 You sir are an idiot
@@thetruth619ful Well Kobe is better...no on can deny that
bad video. tmac isn’t rated as a clutch playoff performer, he’s rated as a talented scorer. his 4-year prime is arguably top 25 all time, and it was in that prime that he played very well in the playoffs even though he wasn’t favored in any of his first 4 trips after joining the magic. much much much more overrated players. disliked and unsubbed
I didn't even know Tracy mcgrady was even in the playoffs this many time and I was watch the nba during the early 2000s
MICOLE WHYTE he sucked in the playoffs quite frankly.
Lynx Star Automotive youre just a hater. How can he suck averaging 30/7/6? Youre obviously stupid af
You can always tell the ones that don’t like to practice.They always come up short.T-Mac,Allen Iverson,Charles Barkley,or Carmelo Anthony
Shaq didn't either but he was a freak of nature and he had Phil Jackson, Kobe Bryant, Dwayne Wade and Pat Riley.
I came here to start a riot, and even in the half of the video I was not convinced because is one of my most beloved players but you did man, you convinced me, he was just a good player who could've been an all time great but consistently fails by his own. Thanks for the video.
Wow. 😳
Damn good video..
I never connected those dots until now..
Great work, man!
What a sheep
I don't see how u can make this video ain't nobody calling my boi the goat or something mfs know tmac was that guy at one point but Injuries fucked him up if u wanted to make a video on tmac u should've made a what if like everybody else nbs
Not to mention my guy had no help in Orlando and had to do damn near everything on the offensive side
He was that guy, just not in the playoffs. 🤷🏽♂️
T-Mac had plenty of help. He just didn't utilize that help. Talent, like T-Mac, is overrated. Without the work ethic, the discipline, the fire or will to win, talent becomes a waste. And T-Mac did not have that.
I loved watching tmac play for the rockets in my teenage years, but the thing I remember most is going up 2-0 in the playoffs on three seperate occasions and losing everytime!
9:01 That's just great help side defense
don't know why there r so many dislikes here, nothing but truth was spoken
Always blamed injuries and teammates for his failures. There is no excuse why he should’ve lost to Charlotte in 02 or Dallas in 05. Good video.
TMac was my favorite player in the early 00's. I understand that we match up full careers to compare who was better. That's completely fair. But to me, the only years that mattered for him were the Orlando years, 00-04. He was the best guard/ forward in the league in my high school years, bar none. The Houston users SUCKED. He was never the same
At around 2:34 you knock Tracy for not shooting 50% from the field and 40% from deep. Do you realize that very few players ever reach that? You can be an elite scorer and still not reach those numbers. Ask Kobe Bryant if tmac was "overrated." (He said tmac was the hardest player to guard). It's clear that you don't even watch basketball...
he never even shot 46% from the field. role players easily shoot 50% today
Charles Cooks ehem....kobe Bryant?
People keep bringing this up, I truly think people believe that the NBA has 1 person lineups or something, because last time I checked, it's a 5v5, you can be the best 1v1 player, but if you can't win 5v5 then you're not a complete basketball player
Charles Cooks you can't compare a role player, who mostly shoots wide open shots, to a star player at the guard position. Also keep in mind that isolation was a very popular playstyle during mcgrady's prime, so he shot a lot from a predictable offensive scheme with little ball movement, meaning he had to shoot a lot of poor quality shots. This obsession with shooting percentage is just stupid. Anyone who brings up a role player's shooting percentages to try an undermine mcgrady clearly has never watched basketball before...
Very informative video. The stats you bring up are very educational. These kind of videos could actually get urban youths to get into maths.
Not a fan of this type of analytics. Context matters and TMac unfortunately had to force way to much offense due to the Grant Hill and Yao Ming injury situations that left his teams under manned and salary cap strung. He never had the luxury of picking and choosing his spots/shots, because 1/3 of the pay roll was sitting out entire seasons...
Yet he was more than willing to throw his teammates under the bus for loses. He is jus another high volume inefficient player that gets hyped up cause of his talent.
Great break-down, and analysis of T-Mac's career in retrospect. In your opinion why was T-mac voted in as a HOF?