"Made only eight all-star appearances"...my guy even if he "dissapointed" eight all-star appearances is amazing, maybe he didn't live up to his expectations but he is a surefire HOFer
Calvin Miller He was better. I hate when people say his prime was in Toronto, he was one of the most complete all around players in the game when he played for nets. He could play on the fast break, could post up, could run pick and roll, was a better shooter, was craftier around the rim etc
New York Sports God I can understand that what I can’t understand is how Jason kidd who was a top 5 point guard in the league did more with less and went to finals I think twice with a less talented team yet when you have Vince who I would argue had more talent than Kobe you didn’t even make it to coffernsce finals
It seems like Carter developed a really good work ethic too late in his career. If you look at what he’s been doing in recent years to keep his body in good enough shape to be able to stay in the NBA, it’s actually really impressive. He shows up to the gym before any of his teammates (if I recall correctly, often more than an hour before anyone else), and he often does workouts after the game. He also goes through cryotherapy every once in a while. He claims that he does this because he still loves the game - and he says that he’ll continue to do so until the day that he wakes up and doesn’t feel motivated to put in the work. I don’t think that Vince was nearly as dedicated back in the day. But imagine if he had been! He could’ve been absolutely dominant, basically unstoppable. The fact that he was averaging over 27 points per game at one point while presumably not pushing himself as hard as he possibly could have potentially means that he could’ve been a top-three player in the NBA for five or more years in a row. He might’ve been able to win a title, or at least make it to the NBA finals. It’s unfortunate, especially as a fan of Vince, to know that he didn’t start working as hard as he could until it became evident that it’d be necessary just to stay in the league. At least we still get the pleasure of seeing him in the league even at such an old age, though. He’s doing something now that few players are able to accomplish.
Vince Carter didn’t have the greatest work ethic, however he wasn’t lazy. A guy like Andrea Bargnani had a 20 PPG season without putting in ANY work and was still a bust. Why? Well because his career outside of that season was very underwhelming, and if Carter had as bad of a work ethic as Bargnani, he wouldn’t be as good as he was. But at least he learned and actually developed a work ethic, Bargnani on the other hand didn’t care and could’ve been the greatest power forward or at least top 10 at that position if he put in the work. Notice how MJ, LeBron, and Kobe all have legendary work ethics. That’s why they’re some of the greatest players of all time. And I personally believe that all of them are in my top 3
Idgaf. Carter is one of the most entertaining and likeable guys in nba history, like dirk. He is also an amazing veteran and is doing crazy dunks at 41. He will go down in the HOF and at least he didnt end up like his cousin (no disrespect to tracy). Gotta love Vinsanity
Kevinfautogrp well you can’t really say for sure. I feel like if he could have run SG for that Suns team with Nash, Marion, and Stoudemire would have been interesting. But who knows. All i do know is that he still had a great career and is one of the most loved in the game.
A A R O N V I L L A L O B O S indeed he did but it annoyed me that he never really said anything positive through the video, as if he was trash or something
Dave Toussaint I understand the title part because he never had a elite team although the Nets was close to being elite but still wasn't better then Miami or Detroit but he def should have been more dominant
Ronnie Alston stop New Jersey and Orlando were elite they made the finals the previous season that Vince came and he was supposed to push them over the edge he was an underachiever
Weese not really Melo has all NBA selections, all star appearances, MVP conversations, scoring title, and has been regarded as an easy top 15 scoring threat of all time due to his versatility. And unlike VC he is a strong rebounder, the only thing missing on Melo resume is a ring while VC has a lot of different things missing.
mrslash blade VC also has all nba selections and all star appearances. Melos scoring ability is vastly overrated due to his lack of efficiency compared to other scorers. If you compare VCs peak years (1998-2011) to Melos (2003-2016, I took this season off because while Melo has been on a decline, it's on full display now), the only categories Melo leads in are points by 1 and rebounds by 1. Not to mention VC plays way better defense and is a better passer. Melo has massively underachieved compared his peers. Also, you mentioned Melo was in MVP conversations. 1 year where you finished and EXTREMELY DISTANT 3rd, doesn't mean you were in the conversation. Hell, the other year he accomplished any playoff success (2009) he didn't even get a SINGLE VOTE for MVP. While the real driving force behind that Denver team, Billups finished 6th.
This is because it is true. The Raptors and Canadian businesses are notorious for being slit throat organizations. They had a very good PG called Alvin Williams, once he was too injured to play, they slit his throat like a hog and cut him. Carter is a smart player. He is 41 and still playing.
compare the twos shooting %. That's completely false. Carter took FAR better shots than TMac, and Carter also won a playoff series. Something Tracy McGrady NEVER did, even with a superstar talent in Yao Ming playing with him.
They weren't shitty team, just shitty organizations. Plus in that era, you had one or two top players on the team. Now the good teams have 3-5 top players.
Vince Carter is known for dunking right...? Well he is 3rd all time in 3 pointers made in NBA history... didn't see that anywhere in this video... The man wasn't just a dunker, he could shoot the ball as well
He shot a lot of fadeaways. I think he settled a lot for jumpers. In theory that's fine but make sure that part of your game is lethal and it was between solid and average.
MarnesaarJ I just looked it up, Jason Terry, Steph curry, Kyle korver all passed him, when he was on the grizzlies, my team, 2 years ago he was #3 I remember the grizzlies announcers talking about it all season. He has since fell to #7 but he is less than 200 3's from the #3 spot. He will never catch up, but he is still top 10 which is insane.
Derek L. let's not try to take anything away from Vince's greatness yes he is quite overrated but he was by no stretch of the imagination a bad player in fact if he had more help on the Raptors he probably would have gone a lot farther in the playoffs
I swear LOW. You listen to one or two clips of nba open court/TNT and take their opinions as the end all be all on players. Vince Carter was a very productive player while in Toronto and New Jersey, and you can't overlook injuries. You expected Carter to develop and progress after his first season in Jersey? The guy was already 30 years old, history shows once the average player in the NBA reaches the age of 27-28-29 that their play significantly starts to decline. He lost his youthful athleticism, and had to rely on his jump shot as his primary way to score. Carter was never a guy you were going to build your franchise around, if he had better teammates around him for his career while in his prime, he would've been better suited as the 2nd option. Instead of making a hot take video by calling him an underachiever, it's better to say that he just peaked early in his career.
That's false. You simply can't put every NBA player in a box and say between the ages of 27-32 is when they're supposed to be at their best. Some guys peak early (Damon stoudamire, tyreke evans, etc.) and some guys experience their best years well into their 30's (nash, reddick..). In VC's case, because of injuries suffered in Toronto, he was a guy that had his best years early into his career, which was HIS peak.
The problem is you keep talking about points points points. In New Jersey you had 2 other guys who would score 20+ PPG in Jason Kidd and RJ. You didn't have that in Toronto. So he may have been scoring the same as he was in Toronto but his shooting percentages, defense, playmaking and highlights were even better than before. He was also a better leader in NJ. Honestly, the NJ version of Vince was his best form ever. He was so well rounded and you obviously don't know that the Nets organization turned out to be just as bad as the owner and GM were extremely stingy. We had Nenad Kristic and Jason Collins starting at the 4 and 5 for Vince's entire stint as a Net. That's unacceptable from a team perspective. Not to mention their bench was always filled with old washed up players and scrubs. It's much deeper than you think. To say he's underachieved is false. Vince's career accomplishments are infinite. And not to mention the impact he had on basketball. It's disrespectful to say he's underachieved when he's transformed the game of basketball.
I think people that view players like Carter as underachievers are the same people that forget that championship are won by a team, and only 1 team wins the chip and it's usually the best team; players like Carter, Iverson, and McGrady were players that had very bad teams. This is something LeBron learned immediately which is why he's always recruiting or jumping ship; history won't remember him crying for help, it'll remember the chips. This talk of underachieving could've also been said about Pierce, Ray Allen and Garnett had they not linked up and won once, but before that Celtic's chip those 3 were headed mostly in the same "underachievers" path, outside of Garnett's 04 MVP which would've put him in that Barkley box. Wade would've been another one had he retired and not won a chip to be seen as underachieving. Not everyone is lucky enough to play with other superstars in those times. If Carter should be blamed for anything it should be for being selfless, he should've have shot more to put in perspective from 99-00 to 08-09 Carter averaged 23.9ppg 44%FG on 19.5FGA. that's less attempts per game than Kobe who played with Shaq, less attempts and higher FG% than Iverson, and even less attempts and higher % than McGrady; basically, Vince should've shot the ball more, even in clutch time where from 00-09 he was top 3 most clutch under 2minutes, under 24sec and under 6secs. I know usage rates weren't a big thing in the 2000s but I'd like to see Vince's compares to everyone else. Another thing, Even tho it's out of his control but the fact that McGrady left when they could've been the east's dynamic duo or him getting traded instead of him and Bosh becoming a duo in toronto. He was reborn in NJ indeed but those NJ teams weren't great after Kenyon martin left. J. Kidd was not much of a scorer, never average 20 in his career and never averaged 15 whipe like Carter was in NJ but he could definitely pass, defend and rebound. Jefferson was a good win to complement Carter. The rest of the team was trash, garbage big men and weak bench. Selflessness struck again in Orlando where he should've been the man and not Howard. Howard should've been the big guy who protected the paint, ran the floor, clean boards and caught lobs, his post game was basic as can be and boston show everyone. If 25kpts, 2k 3s and HOFer is underachieving, then i need to underachieve like him
exacly carter also wanted to be traded so he didn't even try at games to make his draft stock to go down so he would get traded thats why he averaged 16 on horribe efficiency
@@AnishBhethanabotla Actually he was returning from arthroscopic knee surgery, which was wayyy worse than then it is today. After his 02 injury he became more of a jump shooter and those last year's in Toronto was bad because of that transformation needed to occur to preserve himself, when he got to the Nets it was much easier for him to score because he shared scoring duties with Richard Jefferson and Jason Kidd being a great distributer. But that Nets bench was aweful, and could never overcome an injury to anyone on the big 3 which constantly happened. Forcing the Nets to a lower seed in the playoffs and having a terrible bench against a good team caused them to never go deep in the playoffs. They Nets at that time also lacked interior players, when Cater came to the team which was a serious problem for them defenseively.
northernlight1000 agreed. He definitely underachieved. Thats how great he could of been. To me hes the greatest dunker of all time. But other than that idk man. However he had the potential to average 26 to 27 points for his career. Hes a great guy tho. Extremely humble. One of my fav players.
He ain't a legend. Legends are the best players of their era for an extended period of time. Vince never was the best player in the league. But he a good player that enjoyed watching. This video is trash. Sure fire HOFer and he underachieved. Idk what this guy wants from Vince
The video is mostly right about Carter. Where it fails is it's not mentioned that Carter was always hurt. He played hurt in the playoffs all of the time. Also the series in Orlando against Boston was the worst officiating I've ever seen and they were still competitive. The league wanted Boston back in the finals against the Lakers. Regardless, we should be talking about Carter like TMac, Grant Hill and D Rose. That's how bad the injuries were. I really monitored his career and injuries were always an issue. He probably still has the best offensive game I've ever seen, but his determination was different.
Yeah it pisses me off people barely acknowledge his injuries or acts like he wasn't injured. And almosy every season he was missing like a good 20 to 30 games. That's bull but tmac who wasn't as injured as Carter throughout his career gets a what if. I also get there were times he decided not to play hard because of things with the organization trying to phase him out. But it's always pissed me off people act like he just was never injured. Even this video. Claiming I no about his injuries. But then turn around and act like injuries didn't affect his career. I seen an interview with him saying one thing he always regretted was not letting his body heal and coming back too soon.
I think he was a guy that paced himself comfortably throughout his career knowing damn well that he had enough talent to produce more but willingly rested on his laurels to keep getting solidly paid for 22 years. He didn't have the ambition to add more stress to his body or career for the sake of accolades and championships. He knows he could've done more but he was probably just happy with doing good enough to survive a long time and live comfortably. We all wanted for him to strive to be the best but I don't think he wanted that for himself.
Stop overrating Melo. He's not an underachiever, he's just not very good. People always overrate the ability to score which is literally the only skill Melo has. Terrible defender, terrible passer, terrible off the ball. Total ball stopper. Underachiever implies he just needed to try harder, but Melo's overall game is a terrible fit for how basketball should be played.
I agree. Carter was known more for his dunks than an bonified All star. I never thought he was a better player than paul pierce who also came from the same draft.
Stupid question, did people just hype him up. Let see Vince Carter is a 6-6 guard coming out of the University of North Carolina he can create his own shot off the dribble he can slash to the basket he three-point ability and he has crazy athleticism. He was a underachiever.
@Shawn Kemp I slightly disagree. He's offensively, at least in his prime as sharp as Kobe, Even Jordan. The difference was that he never embraced the pressure of winning the way those guys did. So many times during the playoffs in his Net days, he played very "safe"; good enough not to be blamed during a loss, but certainly not good enough to win. It's the reason why he's played so long; he never left it all on the court. Even today, hes capable of throwing down a between the legs dunk, but still doesn't mix it up competition wise. Go figure.
I think it's a little bit of both. I don't think you can question the work ethic of a man who is still playing in the NBA at the age of 41. You don't do that unless you put in the work off the court to stay in tip-top condition. But I also think he was satisfied with being a star, and while he kept himself in top shape, never did much to expand his game from where it was when he came into the league. Other people expected more of Carter than he expected of himself. But he'll make it to the Hall of Fame someday, anyway.
Speaking as a Raptor fan... watching Vince up close. Everything fell apart when Tracy left for Orlando. It all went downhill after that. Both he and TMac made bad choices in leaving Toronto.
One thing that you can't deny ( even tho this determine his legacy or help saying he is overrated or underrated) you cannot deny he was on of if not the greatest nba athlete
Vince was doing better dunks in HS than Lebron in the nba....vince is pure athleticism...lebron is a freight train that can jump but very stiff in the air.
Your Handsome Step-Dad lebron is also taller but Lebron is the best athlete in history of basketball. Combination of size and strength, speed, durability is unmatched. Like him or hate him. But Carter vertical is ridiculous and still is. Hes the best in game dunker ive seen. One of the greatest pure talents ive seen. Lebron is in the conversation. But hes not the one under achieving. But yeah Vince is always gonnna be one of my fav players. However I do understand his career could of been much better considering his pure talent.
Totally agree. Carter kinda reminded me of Randy Moss. I think he even had a similar quote to what Moss said which was " I play when I want to play." Carter could've been as good as Kobe or real close.
That man playin 20 years way more than on the court...smh did u think his influence was only on court. Let's see your TH-cam channel be relevant for half of his career..then say something
Eh, nevermind, I think your opinion is pretty spot on. He peaked in his age 24 season, and while he had injuries, it's a pretty big drop-off after that year, minus his first partial season with NJN. To his credit, though, his play in his late 30's has been pretty good, and I think his late career play, while not flashy, might be enough to get him into the HoF. I mean, even as an underachiever, you could argue he was better than Mitch Richmond who is in the Hall.
MICOLE WHYTE If shaq stayed with his Magic’s body he would’ve have a longer prime years but not has dominated maybe just a batter career then Karl Malone’s career but instead he put on a lot of weight on a had really good prime years just not that long , he should’ve been the goat and now he’s barely top 3 center
Not really... shaq is meant to be the most dominant but not the greatest... he even admitted this himself... he always wanted to be the most dominant... shaq's natural thicc body just wont last long in the nba... especially the wear and tear of 82 games plus the playoffs... plus his hands are so big that he cant shoot well.... shaq just rely too much on physical dominance rather than skills... which resulted in his game not aging well compared to the likes of tim duncan...
This why I can't take Legend of Winning or any other simple minded people seriously. Their opinions are flawed with lacking logic or physics. First, basketball is a team sport, not an individual one. Second, when cross comparing players you compare their primes, not their ending careers. In that case, most stars were better than Kobe, because he was shit his rookie year. But no one wanna add the rookie years in the credibility info. And third, some athletes are more fortunate than others. To say Pierce is better than Carter because he shot more? Okay, then Carter is better than Kobe because he's still playing, Pierce is better than Kobe because he averaged more in his ending years, and Reggie Miller is better than all of them because heout lasted all og them playing nearly the same way instead of progressing better or deteriorating over the years. PS: It's not the player that makes the team great it's how the player fits the team. That's why Richard Hamilton was a better fit for the Pistons as opposed to Jerry Stackhouse, despite Stackhouse being the better player. THAT'S what Vince Carter meant by him being utilized in the Nets as opposed to Toronto.
I think Shaq is also a big underachiever. He could have won many more mvp’s if he wanted to. I think he was just a little to lazy and he didn’t want to work
Its really amazing how he's had 2 levels his entire career he was the same player for 8 years (a star) and then became a role player for the rest of his career basically going up and down on ppg for the rest of career
I think Vince was one of the greatest offensive machines I ever saw during his first 10 years. 24,000 points isn't too bad neither. Sucks playing during an era when there is Lebron, Iverson, Kobe, Duncan and a ton of other legends in their prime.
Great video. This just further proves that V.C was in fact a great player. We all wanted him to be the next M.J because he had the tools to do so. The man put Canada on the map in the basketball world. He made 8 all star teams and ranks in the top 30 in all time scoring. He's played in the NBA for like 18 years. He's a legend in his own right and I'm a huge fan of his. Always will be. Great video and great job to V.C. one of the great NBA careers IMO
These arguments kill me, in the last 20 years only 5 teams have won the nba championship, anyone NOT on those teams you could make an argument for being underachievers
damn looking at the video of Vince dunking on everybody, there is no player in the game today like him, we miss you Vince! you still Half Man Half Amazing to me...
He lost his speed and quickness early on in his career. He was able to drive past defenders with ease but then he started to rely on his post moves and jumper. He also took less risks with injuries and lacked the fire that kobe mj had. Still a great career but didnt meet ppls expectations
He is only overrated in the context that he is probably the most naturally physically talented wing player in league history. With that in mind, he could have been a top 5 all time imo. Seeing as he will undoubtedly be a hof inductee, is likely going to finish top 20 all time in scoring, top 5 3pt made, and will likely set a record for career longevity/seasons played, I think he's done pretty well. There's a lot of hyperbolic stuff in this video (only 8 all star appearances, not a top 10 player of his generation, etc...) but I'll just say I disagree with some points, and agree he underachieved, but is still an all time great player.
Yeah still haven't seen no1 posterize people in games like Vince. Best in game dunker by far. vince still has 44 inch vertical. At least last year he did. Definitely an underachiever. Still my guy tho
Justin Last J-Rich would spend all year planning his dunk contest. Vince just came up with his dunks on the spot. J-Rich was in THREE dunk contests to Vinces one, so he got to show more dunks then Vince. Vince was a million times better dunker. J-Rich also was a very one dimensional dunker (couldn't dunk good off one foot and was only really good with his right foot forward) while Vince was VERY well rounded. Hell Vince is in his 40s and he still can do a two foot take off between the legs without even trying And no. No one today dunks close to as good as Vince. Vinces in game dunk reel shits all over anyone's today, and its not even close. Griffin, Gordon, Zach etc... Their in game dunk reel looks like crap compaired to Vinces
Daz True, but the ability to dunk through traffic or with contact is a VERY helpful skill that does make you a better player. Often a dunk is much harder to defend then a layup. Dunking is not everything, but it is a skill that helps your game
" he was only great for 2-3 years" yet he had 8 all star appearances which should have been about 10. He had 3 years as a top 5 player in Toronto and 3 years as a top 5 player in NJ that's at least 6 right there and not including years he averaged + 21 5 & 5 in his last 2 years in NJ where he was battling injuries and all his teammates J KIdd and RJ slowly left
This guy really said "He only won rookie of year, the dunk contest, and made the all star and all team..THATS ABOUT IT" Only elite groups of guys like MJ, Kobe,Lebron can make that statement
The Biggest Underachiever is Derrick Coleman(I know most don't know him). Derrick was a beast and a point Powerforward who got NBA's first 100 Million Dollar Contract and basically once he got his money...Didn't give a fk!! He even got fat and created future concerns about giving players big contracts. Young Derrick Coleman was amazing and very similar to Magic Johnson. Him Kenny Anderson and Drazen Petrovic were brilliant!
Im not going to continue this video i stopped at 2:22 ...if you wanna call someone an underachiever look at Dwight Howard or melo but to say VINCE CARTER the man that made Toronto relevant in the basketball world was an underachiever is a bit of a reach ...Every time Vince went either to the semis or playoffs there were teams that had either a legendary player like AI or a great team lead by younger talent like WADE and the heat who were hard to stop...if we are talking underachiever due to not making finals and winning championships then a lot of hall of famers that played in the Jordan era should be considered to by your logic ....i know i didn’t watch your video all the way thru but it doesn’t take much to see where it was going...Just another guy thinking he knows what it’s like in the nba despite not playing for a semipro team
I know this is old impact and underachieving is too different thing Impact is more on the lines of ai Marbury Yao jordan etc also the playoffs take same can literally be said about Melo and Dwight
VC's weakness were as follows; 1) Poor quickness/agility (not the same as speed) 2) Poor ability to read the defense (this is also Derozan's biggest flaw) 3) Made to improvements to his game such as adding moves like Kobe did every year 4) Too much reliance on shooting and not aggressive enough 5) Not competitive enough/settles
Vc 15 holds a place in my heart as a raptors fan like derozan mcgrady bosh do but at the end of the day even being a legit fan of carter yeah he's not all that like hype made him seem but he'll always be the best dunker ever in my book and always have that value to my simply as a raptors fan
Without Vince, The Raps would probably have been moved out of TO. He underachieved BIG TIME (should have been an MVP candidate with his potential) but he put the Raps on the map and was the most popular player in the NBA when in TO
@@Abbad1579 man I've watched Vince Carter play in high school, at UNC and his whole NBA career, I probably been watching basketball since before you was born son, sooooooo what are you saying?
How can Vince be overrated when people don't rate him at all? We know what happened to him: injuries and the laid back way he played the game after his first 4 years.
A lot of people in the comment section don't understand about Carter is he was physically gifted as any player who ever played in the NBA but he didn't have the mentality to take the throne. Just imagine if Draymond Green had that talent.
But Vince was never on a championship calibur team (besides ORL but he was past his prime at that point) nor did he have a championship calibur coach. I guess you can say the mavs when he joined but that team like him was severely aged. So just saying. As for the NJ nets comment I grew up watching that team. Vince and that NJ nets team needed a big man. That was their Achilles heel. They had a decent bench but they never had a big man.
Ranmyaku Jouten (猥雑 上天) THANK YOU SOMEONE WHO KNOWS WHAT WAS GOING ON WITH THAT NETS TEAM IM A BIG NETS FAN AND BEEN SAYING THAT FOR THE LONGEST THAT WE NEEDED A BIG MAN TO SLOW DOWN SHAQ AND OTHER BIG MEN
I would agree with you in this video. Vince Carter to me was as close to being a Michael Jordan type of player as there is, he could dunk he could create his own shot off the dribble slash to the basket he was a better 3-point shooter than Jordan. I was so odd how Vince Carter's career started going downhill around like 2005 and be became a good role player.
Vince Carter played with no allstars on the Toronto Raptors and when he finally got some help with Jalen Rose they trashed him and traded him. The Raptors have always also failed small forwards, like they have no ideas how to use them and that is why it took until 2018 to have small forwards doing anything because they started playing position-less ball. He developed too many bad habits, and this is why Mcgrady wanted to leave too because they didn't know how to use small forwards properly. Any small forward for the raptors since their invention has not done well. Not James Johnson, not Mcgrady, not Terrance Ross, or any other small forward and this is because for some reason they want their small forwards (until this year 2018) to stand in the corner 90% of the time and shoot threes. This is what also made it hard for VC to be aggressive (which was a big complaint not only to him but virtually every small forward the raptors have ever had) and they expect him and all these small forwards to be aggressive when its the Raptors' coaching staffs fault. And yes I know there have been many different coaches since VC but please just look at their games past and present and you will see I am right, that the style of play for small forward position is completely the same. When they switched VC at times with Mo Pete position wise the same thing happened to him, always in the corner shooting 3s. And like I said no talent. I mean the best players besides VC was Mo Pete and Antonio Davis....really....
You make some great points but if we're being completely honest VC would've had a completely different career if he was brought into a great organization like kobe with the Lakers.
Only 2 all nba teams?… only a few Allstars appearances?.. Only 2 finals appearances?.. Idk.. This one is kinda a reach..nobody said he better than kobe .. But underachiever? Idk.. I don't think so
This is nonsense. Carter became the games best dunker, highlights, game winners, scoring. Carter Revolutionized the game for a younger generation and changed the landscape of the nba, raptors and Canada. Very few stars leave an imprint on the game the way Carter did.
Exactly..... so with out injury / sudden decline what could he have done? You mean to tell me as young as Dwight was when he left Orlando that that was all he could do? He just had a 30/30 game. The man was a 3x's DPoY. And now he's on a team that's just happy to make the playoffs.
No one has ever been better at dunking than Vinsanity. Not Jordan, not Darryl Dawkins, not Jason Richardson, nobody. At the same time, nobody has ever been a bigger quitter on his team than Vince Carter. I'm glad he eventually matured and became a mentor, but it's hard to live down just how much of a problem he became in Toronto. Fitting he never got a chance to win a ring after all that.
Im very gratefull for the free content and i do enjoy your videos alot. But as a carter fan, im exiting this video without a thumbs up or thumbs down. Heres some names id like you to look into please. Gilbert Arenas, Jermaine O'Neal, Antoine Walker, and Steve Francis.
before injury he was 1/2 man 1/2 amazing. after injury hes just that guy that USE to do crazy dunks and sometimes able to create some flashback moments. as a role player, hes alrite... but to me i always see him as an 'entertainer' rather than a competitor. dunking, boosting team morale, and hyping the stadium up was his thing.
God damn I miss that purple headband playoff run. Alvin hitting that dagger to beat the Knicks on the road in the Garden is still my most fond Raptor memory from my childhood.
But didn't he have arthroscopic knee surgery which was like a death sentence for athletes at the time. After that knee surgery he became more of a jump shooter, and it worked better with the nets because Jason Kidd actually elevated that team, which is why Kidd left.
I agree he vastly underachieved. If you really followed Vince you know he had all the abilities and talent to be better than Kobe. Injuries didn't really derail him except for maybe the 02-03-04 years. He simply never had that heart or killer instinct. If he had the same mindset as Kobe he'd kill Kobe on everything. But he didnt. His legacy should've been far more prolific. Although I'll say Toronto didn't do shit for him and coasted on his popularity. I'm a huge VC fan since he came into the league and he really disappointed me throughout childhood man. PS: Sam Mitchell hated Vince and he didn't run the offense through Vince it was through bosh and the "team". Sam was a asshat.
286mic nah mindset and killer instinct don’t just magically make you better at basketball, he wasn’t just gonna be a defender out of nowhere or a playmaker
Ricky Delgado dude he avg 5apg for awhile. If he was determined to improve like Kobe did he would've avg 6apg no problem. As for defending, are you kidding me? He was by far the most athletic player, you think he couldn't defend whoever he wanted if he put his mind to it? Vince underachieved with his gifts, he should've been greater. Don't @me again cause you clearly never actually watched him.
Killer instinct wasn't the problem, Vince had that in spades. He just didn't have Kobe's work ethic. Kobe was determined to improve his game EVERY year and Vince didn't have that kind of dedication.
Vince has an insane work ethic, that's how he's still playing and is more athletic than 50% of the league at 41. His flaw was his niceness. He didn't want to be a ballhog, didn't want to step on toes when he got to a new team, and was too willing to slide into complimentary roles when he was still the best scorer on his team (Orlando)
Mike Sannitti I'm not talking about his physical conditioning, I'm talking about improving his game. Vince's game never really evolved much since his rookie year.
Dwight isn’t borderline anything. He could literally retire right now and make the HOF. His career accomplishments are more than enough to be first ballot
i'm a pistons fan but i grew up in canada so i have a soft spot for the raptors. i really wish vc achieved more here. he really grew the ball culture here
Imagine watching one of the great players of today play great for like 7 years and just play the rest of his years.. like 14 more years … as a fukn journeyman…. As a fan of the player … that does hurt alittle bit.. or just make you wonder what tf happened … imagine if Kyrie just stayed in the league for another 14 years and averaged like 10 points 😂…. You’d be scratching your head.. well that how anyone that watched Vince play in the early 2000s feels . Trust me
I partially agree... Vince Carter left his “edge” in Toronto. And to be honest, as a Raptor fan, the team didn’t really do enough for him either. They alienated T-Mac and forced him out, and did the same with Vince. The fact that Vince Carter never became what he was supposed to be was due to the fact that he didn’t truly get what he wanted... and that’s sad
you people couldn't carry vince carter gym bag...the disrespect in america is funny as hell...who are you to call guy who make it to highest level of basketball a underachiever...the nerve....smdh
Paul Pierce averaged 24 points during that series because his game never really relied on a lot of athleticism while Vince's game does. So age does have a factor since he can't drive as explosive as he used to be and use his quickness to create space for higher % shots.
Melo is the biggest underachiever imo. The guy had so much hype coming out of college and people put him in the same category as LeBron, but it almost seems like as soon as he got in the league LBJ and even Wade just left him in the dust. He is still one of the best scorers in his generation but I personally thought he would have made more of an impact
This is great video. He was so flashy and electric he was on of my favorite players. Then he kinda just disappeared. I. was pretty shocked to find out he paying in Sacramento
Shawn Kemp I completely understand why hes labled a underachiever. He had talent and he had people to play with on each team. He just never lived up to the hype. It's crazy.
Vince was a superstar, but I've been saying this about melo and Vince for years. They play that way to prolong their career. When Vince sees that he is not on a championship team he pulls back his aggressiveness and plays in cruise control. This is why his defense was always lacking because, as oppose to offense, defense takes a lot of motivation and energy. We can see that Vince carters technique has worked. He is still playing and jumpin out the gym
"Made only eight all-star appearances"...my guy even if he "dissapointed" eight all-star appearances is amazing, maybe he didn't live up to his expectations but he is a surefire HOFer
Jacob Pasternack. Not a HOFer
He is but he had the potential to be so much more
Vince Carter along with Carmello Anthony are probably the biggest disappointments and frustrations the last two decades in the NBA.
Jacob Pasternack hell yea
Jade Lockett boi you silly
Key statement... Was still as good as he was in his 7th and 8th year as he was in his 3rd and 4th year. Still got mad love for Vince Carter.
Calvin Miller He was better. I hate when people say his prime was in Toronto, he was one of the most complete all around players in the game when he played for nets. He could play on the fast break, could post up, could run pick and roll, was a better shooter, was craftier around the rim etc
@@NoName-pp5kr facts people dont realize that he actually had help in NJ and didnt have to be superman he had help and he still succeed
New York Sports God so why didn’t they go further in the playoffs?
@@t-god2439 the core was never extremely healthy
New York Sports God I can understand that what I can’t understand is how Jason kidd who was a top 5 point guard in the league did more with less and went to finals I think twice with a less talented team yet when you have Vince who I would argue had more talent than Kobe you didn’t even make it to coffernsce finals
It seems like Carter developed a really good work ethic too late in his career. If you look at what he’s been doing in recent years to keep his body in good enough shape to be able to stay in the NBA, it’s actually really impressive. He shows up to the gym before any of his teammates (if I recall correctly, often more than an hour before anyone else), and he often does workouts after the game. He also goes through cryotherapy every once in a while. He claims that he does this because he still loves the game - and he says that he’ll continue to do so until the day that he wakes up and doesn’t feel motivated to put in the work.
I don’t think that Vince was nearly as dedicated back in the day. But imagine if he had been! He could’ve been absolutely dominant, basically unstoppable. The fact that he was averaging over 27 points per game at one point while presumably not pushing himself as hard as he possibly could have potentially means that he could’ve been a top-three player in the NBA for five or more years in a row. He might’ve been able to win a title, or at least make it to the NBA finals.
It’s unfortunate, especially as a fan of Vince, to know that he didn’t start working as hard as he could until it became evident that it’d be necessary just to stay in the league. At least we still get the pleasure of seeing him in the league even at such an old age, though. He’s doing something now that few players are able to accomplish.
well said.
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Vince Carter didn’t have the greatest work ethic, however he wasn’t lazy. A guy like Andrea Bargnani had a 20 PPG season without putting in ANY work and was still a bust. Why? Well because his career outside of that season was very underwhelming, and if Carter had as bad of a work ethic as Bargnani, he wouldn’t be as good as he was. But at least he learned and actually developed a work ethic, Bargnani on the other hand didn’t care and could’ve been the greatest power forward or at least top 10 at that position if he put in the work. Notice how MJ, LeBron, and Kobe all have legendary work ethics. That’s why they’re some of the greatest players of all time. And I personally believe that all of them are in my top 3
He was a very poor leader on the basketball court.
Idgaf. Carter is one of the most entertaining and likeable guys in nba history, like dirk. He is also an amazing veteran and is doing crazy dunks at 41. He will go down in the HOF and at least he didnt end up like his cousin (no disrespect to tracy). Gotta love Vinsanity
T-Mac would be top 10 career of all time w/ o injuries smh 😪😪😪
Carver Pierce what player you think he should have gone to that could have made him great. Like if he played with dirk in his prime.
Kevinfautogrp well you can’t really say for sure. I feel like if he could have run SG for that Suns team with Nash, Marion, and Stoudemire would have been interesting. But who knows. All i do know is that he still had a great career and is one of the most loved in the game.
Nobody is denying that bro... he stil underachieved tho
A A R O N V I L L A L O B O S indeed he did but it annoyed me that he never really said anything positive through the video, as if he was trash or something
He had all the tools to became a MVP & never won a title. It's sad.
Dave Toussaint I understand the title part because he never had a elite team although the Nets was close to being elite but still wasn't better then Miami or Detroit but he def should have been more dominant
Facts
Ronnie Alston stop New Jersey and Orlando were elite they made the finals the previous season that Vince came and he was supposed to push them over the edge he was an underachiever
Dave Toussaint q
Nets elite? Granted he had J-Kidd but what else? What serious team starts Jason Collins at center?
This is gonna be the same story for Carmelo....
Weese not really Melo has all NBA selections, all star appearances, MVP conversations, scoring title, and has been regarded as an easy top 15 scoring threat of all time due to his versatility. And unlike VC he is a strong rebounder, the only thing missing on Melo resume is a ring while VC has a lot of different things missing.
Weese yes
Truth. Melo has never improved his game, just a scorer.
Melo is more of an underachiever than Vince. By far.
mrslash blade VC also has all nba selections and all star appearances. Melos scoring ability is vastly overrated due to his lack of efficiency compared to other scorers. If you compare VCs peak years (1998-2011) to Melos (2003-2016, I took this season off because while Melo has been on a decline, it's on full display now), the only categories Melo leads in are points by 1 and rebounds by 1. Not to mention VC plays way better defense and is a better passer. Melo has massively underachieved compared his peers.
Also, you mentioned Melo was in MVP conversations. 1 year where you finished and EXTREMELY DISTANT 3rd, doesn't mean you were in the conversation. Hell, the other year he accomplished any playoff success (2009) he didn't even get a SINGLE VOTE for MVP. While the real driving force behind that Denver team, Billups finished 6th.
Oh shit here we go
BSOLZ your my favorite TH-camr keep on posting 🔥🔥🔥 content, I love your channel
BSOLZ I already thought he was overrated
Legend of Winning>you
No need to swear young man
Bsolz the next day: why Andrew Wiggins is the greatest underachiever of all time
He played for the shittiest teams in the NBA for his whole career....and didn't cry about it or tried to form a super team.
This is because it is true. The Raptors and Canadian businesses are notorious for being slit throat organizations. They had a very good PG called Alvin Williams, once he was too injured to play, they slit his throat like a hog and cut him. Carter is a smart player. He is 41 and still playing.
compare the twos shooting %. That's completely false. Carter took FAR better shots than TMac, and Carter also won a playoff series. Something Tracy McGrady NEVER did, even with a superstar talent in Yao Ming playing with him.
They weren't shitty team, just shitty organizations. Plus in that era, you had one or two top players on the team. Now the good teams have 3-5 top players.
He didn’t play on any team for more than 5 years out his total 21. WHOLE CAREER? That’s literal blasphemy
When Lebron started his super teams that's when I lost interest in NBA.
Vince Carter is one of my favorite players of all time but yea he severely underachieved, he really didn’t get better as he got into his prime years
Jon Swavyy he stopped trying in Toronto since he didn’t like the GM and wanted to get out of there most raptors fans hated him
Jon Swavyy wrong
Hudsanity nigga how tf am I wrong? He was better in his first years in the league than what was supposed to be his “prime”. He peaked early
Jon Swavyy what do you consider first years 1998-???? id say Nets VC was his best year
nope he peaked 2005-2007 w/ NJ. Then he began declining 08-10 eventually becoming a role player in his later years.
This man said, "a couple of all NBA teams, a few all star selections, 27ppg but thats it"... Bro thats amazing! He's a legend!
thats not a legend
@@phoenixplayz1581 yes it is
2 all nbas is no joke
The point is that he had potential for much much more than that
@@frostthedon5303no it's not
Vince Carter is known for dunking right...? Well he is 3rd all time in 3 pointers made in NBA history... didn't see that anywhere in this video... The man wasn't just a dunker, he could shoot the ball as well
Daz planet Earth obviously, look up top 10 NBA 3 pointers made, Vince is in top 3. Period
He shot a lot of fadeaways. I think he settled a lot for jumpers. In theory that's fine but make sure that part of your game is lethal and it was between solid and average.
MarnesaarJ he is #3 all time in 3 point shots made, look it up
MarnesaarJ I just looked it up, Jason Terry, Steph curry, Kyle korver all passed him, when he was on the grizzlies, my team, 2 years ago he was #3 I remember the grizzlies announcers talking about it all season. He has since fell to #7 but he is less than 200 3's from the #3 spot. He will never catch up, but he is still top 10 which is insane.
Chris Beach are you from Memphis
He only made EIGHT All-Star teams 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Sarcasm?
He talking about that like it’s easy for nba players to make the all star team for 8 years of their career
it's fan voting, dont mean shit...bet if it was coaches decision he wouldn't get it
fucking Yao Ming was getting top votes while being injured haha
Derek L. let's not try to take anything away from Vince's greatness yes he is quite overrated but he was by no stretch of the imagination a bad player in fact if he had more help on the Raptors he probably would have gone a lot farther in the playoffs
seriously?tell me which year and who should be replacing
I swear LOW. You listen to one or two clips of nba open court/TNT and take their opinions as the end all be all on players. Vince Carter was a very productive player while in Toronto and New Jersey, and you can't overlook injuries. You expected Carter to develop and progress after his first season in Jersey? The guy was already 30 years old, history shows once the average player in the NBA reaches the age of 27-28-29 that their play significantly starts to decline. He lost his youthful athleticism, and had to rely on his jump shot as his primary way to score.
Carter was never a guy you were going to build your franchise around, if he had better teammates around him for his career while in his prime, he would've been better suited as the 2nd option. Instead of making a hot take video by calling him an underachiever, it's better to say that he just peaked early in his career.
TYMBO11 what? A players prime is between 27-32 educate yourself
Here Comes nah it's 27-29 the second you turn 30 you prime is always seeing the finishing line.
That's false. You simply can't put every NBA player in a box and say between the ages of 27-32 is when they're supposed to be at their best. Some guys peak early (Damon stoudamire, tyreke evans, etc.) and some guys experience their best years well into their 30's (nash, reddick..). In VC's case, because of injuries suffered in Toronto, he was a guy that had his best years early into his career, which was HIS peak.
Justin Last how's he doing I stoped listening to Mike when he jumped on every hype train known to man and didn't form an opinion
mrslash blade He's getting better while low is declining.
The problem is you keep talking about points points points. In New Jersey you had 2 other guys who would score 20+ PPG in Jason Kidd and RJ. You didn't have that in Toronto. So he may have been scoring the same as he was in Toronto but his shooting percentages, defense, playmaking and highlights were even better than before. He was also a better leader in NJ. Honestly, the NJ version of Vince was his best form ever. He was so well rounded and you obviously don't know that the Nets organization turned out to be just as bad as the owner and GM were extremely stingy. We had Nenad Kristic and Jason Collins starting at the 4 and 5 for Vince's entire stint as a Net. That's unacceptable from a team perspective. Not to mention their bench was always filled with old washed up players and scrubs. It's much deeper than you think. To say he's underachieved is false. Vince's career accomplishments are infinite. And not to mention the impact he had on basketball. It's disrespectful to say he's underachieved when he's transformed the game of basketball.
Morn Wood in New Jersey he was the better player than Jefferson by a decent margin and kidd was a pass first player
I think people that view players like Carter as underachievers are the same people that forget that championship are won by a team, and only 1 team wins the chip and it's usually the best team; players like Carter, Iverson, and McGrady were players that had very bad teams. This is something LeBron learned immediately which is why he's always recruiting or jumping ship; history won't remember him crying for help, it'll remember the chips. This talk of underachieving could've also been said about Pierce, Ray Allen and Garnett had they not linked up and won once, but before that Celtic's chip those 3 were headed mostly in the same "underachievers" path, outside of Garnett's 04 MVP which would've put him in that Barkley box. Wade would've been another one had he retired and not won a chip to be seen as underachieving. Not everyone is lucky enough to play with other superstars in those times. If Carter should be blamed for anything it should be for being selfless, he should've have shot more to put in perspective from 99-00 to 08-09 Carter averaged 23.9ppg 44%FG on 19.5FGA. that's less attempts per game than Kobe who played with Shaq, less attempts and higher FG% than Iverson, and even less attempts and higher % than McGrady; basically, Vince should've shot the ball more, even in clutch time where from 00-09 he was top 3 most clutch under 2minutes, under 24sec and under 6secs. I know usage rates weren't a big thing in the 2000s but I'd like to see Vince's compares to everyone else. Another thing, Even tho it's out of his control but the fact that McGrady left when they could've been the east's dynamic duo or him getting traded instead of him and Bosh becoming a duo in toronto. He was reborn in NJ indeed but those NJ teams weren't great after Kenyon martin left. J. Kidd was not much of a scorer, never average 20 in his career and never averaged 15 whipe like Carter was in NJ but he could definitely pass, defend and rebound. Jefferson was a good win to complement Carter. The rest of the team was trash, garbage big men and weak bench. Selflessness struck again in Orlando where he should've been the man and not Howard. Howard should've been the big guy who protected the paint, ran the floor, clean boards and caught lobs, his post game was basic as can be and boston show everyone.
If 25kpts, 2k 3s and HOFer is underachieving, then i need to underachieve like him
exacly carter also wanted to be traded so he didn't even try at games to make his draft stock to go down so he would get traded thats why he averaged 16 on horribe efficiency
@@AnishBhethanabotla Actually he was returning from arthroscopic knee surgery, which was wayyy worse than then it is today. After his 02 injury he became more of a jump shooter and those last year's in Toronto was bad because of that transformation needed to occur to preserve himself, when he got to the Nets it was much easier for him to score because he shared scoring duties with Richard Jefferson and Jason Kidd being a great distributer. But that Nets bench was aweful, and could never overcome an injury to anyone on the big 3 which constantly happened. Forcing the Nets to a lower seed in the playoffs and having a terrible bench against a good team caused them to never go deep in the playoffs. They Nets at that time also lacked interior players, when Cater came to the team which was a serious problem for them defenseively.
Idk Wth your talking about vince is legend period
northernlight1000 agreed. He definitely underachieved. Thats how great he could of been. To me hes the greatest dunker of all time. But other than that idk man. However he had the potential to average 26 to 27 points for his career. Hes a great guy tho. Extremely humble. One of my fav players.
northernlight1000 that Vince didn’t win as many accolades as he could have
He ain't a legend. Legends are the best players of their era for an extended period of time. Vince never was the best player in the league. But he a good player that enjoyed watching. This video is trash. Sure fire HOFer and he underachieved. Idk what this guy wants from Vince
yeah this guy is a idiot
The video is mostly right about Carter. Where it fails is it's not mentioned that Carter was always hurt. He played hurt in the playoffs all of the time. Also the series in Orlando against Boston was the worst officiating I've ever seen and they were still competitive. The league wanted Boston back in the finals against the Lakers. Regardless, we should be talking about Carter like TMac, Grant Hill and D Rose. That's how bad the injuries were. I really monitored his career and injuries were always an issue. He probably still has the best offensive game I've ever seen, but his determination was different.
Yeah it pisses me off people barely acknowledge his injuries or acts like he wasn't injured. And almosy every season he was missing like a good 20 to 30 games. That's bull but tmac who wasn't as injured as Carter throughout his career gets a what if. I also get there were times he decided not to play hard because of things with the organization trying to phase him out. But it's always pissed me off people act like he just was never injured. Even this video. Claiming I no about his injuries. But then turn around and act like injuries didn't affect his career. I seen an interview with him saying one thing he always regretted was not letting his body heal and coming back too soon.
No!.. Vince underachieved. I like the guy, but he never had that Dog in him. Grant Hill and D Rose, had that Dog in them..
JJDPRO MEDIAPRODUCTION Drose's playstyle doomed him from the start
I think he was a guy that paced himself comfortably throughout his career knowing damn well that he had enough talent to produce more but willingly rested on his laurels to keep getting solidly paid for 22 years. He didn't have the ambition to add more stress to his body or career for the sake of accolades and championships. He knows he could've done more but he was probably just happy with doing good enough to survive a long time and live comfortably. We all wanted for him to strive to be the best but I don't think he wanted that for himself.
I think Carmelo Anthony is the biggest under achiever in the history of the NBA
Jason Saperstein i honestly believe that aswell
Stop overrating Melo. He's not an underachiever, he's just not very good. People always overrate the ability to score which is literally the only skill Melo has. Terrible defender, terrible passer, terrible off the ball. Total ball stopper. Underachiever implies he just needed to try harder, but Melo's overall game is a terrible fit for how basketball should be played.
He my second fave I agree like shyt he not the same guy from the nugs
@@alexcrouch9 He aint overrated, he is the biggest underachiever cause he always put getting money over winning
Lonzo ball
I agree. Carter was known more for his dunks than an bonified
All star. I never thought he was a better player than paul pierce who also came from the same draft.
Was he a underachiever or did people hype and expect too much of him 🤔🤔🤔
He underachieved. The guy was one of the most talented SGs of all time
Daz Take away the dunks and Vince still is one of the most talented players of the 2000s. He underachieved big time
Stupid question, did people just hype him up. Let see Vince Carter is a 6-6 guard coming out of the University of North Carolina he can create his own shot off the dribble he can slash to the basket he three-point ability and he has crazy athleticism. He was a underachiever.
@Shawn Kemp I slightly disagree. He's offensively, at least in his prime as sharp as Kobe, Even Jordan. The difference was that he never embraced the pressure of winning the way those guys did. So many times during the playoffs in his Net days, he played very "safe"; good enough not to be blamed during a loss, but certainly not good enough to win. It's the reason why he's played so long; he never left it all on the court. Even today, hes capable of throwing down a between the legs dunk, but still doesn't mix it up competition wise. Go figure.
I think it's a little bit of both. I don't think you can question the work ethic of a man who is still playing in the NBA at the age of 41. You don't do that unless you put in the work off the court to stay in tip-top condition. But I also think he was satisfied with being a star, and while he kept himself in top shape, never did much to expand his game from where it was when he came into the league.
Other people expected more of Carter than he expected of himself. But he'll make it to the Hall of Fame someday, anyway.
Speaking as a Raptor fan... watching Vince up close. Everything fell apart when Tracy left for Orlando. It all went downhill after that.
Both he and TMac made bad choices in leaving Toronto.
One thing that you can't deny ( even tho this determine his legacy or help saying he is overrated or underrated) you cannot deny he was on of if not the greatest nba athlete
ty mug
LeBron could jump as high as Vince, and Bron was stronger
Wilt would like a word with you from beyond the grave
Vince was doing better dunks in HS than Lebron in the nba....vince is pure athleticism...lebron is a freight train that can jump but very stiff in the air.
ty mug def 1 of the greatest athletes ever
Your Handsome Step-Dad lebron is also taller but Lebron is the best athlete in history of basketball. Combination of size and strength, speed, durability is unmatched. Like him or hate him. But Carter vertical is ridiculous and still is. Hes the best in game dunker ive seen. One of the greatest pure talents ive seen. Lebron is in the conversation. But hes not the one under achieving. But yeah Vince is always gonnna be one of my fav players. However I do understand his career could of been much better considering his pure talent.
Totally agree. Carter kinda reminded me of Randy Moss. I think he even had a similar quote to what Moss said which was " I play when I want to play." Carter could've been as good as Kobe or real close.
That man playin 20 years way more than on the court...smh did u think his influence was only on court. Let's see your TH-cam channel be relevant for half of his career..then say something
Eh, nevermind, I think your opinion is pretty spot on. He peaked in his age 24 season, and while he had injuries, it's a pretty big drop-off after that year, minus his first partial season with NJN.
To his credit, though, his play in his late 30's has been pretty good, and I think his late career play, while not flashy, might be enough to get him into the HoF. I mean, even as an underachiever, you could argue he was better than Mitch Richmond who is in the Hall.
Underachiever how about Shaq he could've been the goat
What, how the fuck was shaq a underachiever lmao
MICOLE WHYTE If shaq stayed with his Magic’s body he would’ve have a longer prime years but not has dominated maybe just a batter career then Karl Malone’s career but instead he put on a lot of weight on a had really good prime years just not that long , he should’ve been the goat and now he’s barely top 3 center
Eduardo Covarrubias how the fuck is shaq barely top 3 center only center i say is definitively better then shaq is kareem and possibly hakeem
Bleart Zeqiri wilt
Not really... shaq is meant to be the most dominant but not the greatest... he even admitted this himself... he always wanted to be the most dominant... shaq's natural thicc body just wont last long in the nba... especially the wear and tear of 82 games plus the playoffs... plus his hands are so big that he cant shoot well.... shaq just rely too much on physical dominance rather than skills... which resulted in his game not aging well compared to the likes of tim duncan...
This why I can't take Legend of Winning or any other simple minded people seriously. Their opinions are flawed with lacking logic or physics. First, basketball is a team sport, not an individual one. Second, when cross comparing players you compare their primes, not their ending careers. In that case, most stars were better than Kobe, because he was shit his rookie year. But no one wanna add the rookie years in the credibility info. And third, some athletes are more fortunate than others. To say Pierce is better than Carter because he shot more? Okay, then Carter is better than Kobe because he's still playing, Pierce is better than Kobe because he averaged more in his ending years, and Reggie Miller is better than all of them because heout lasted all og them playing nearly the same way instead of progressing better or deteriorating over the years.
PS: It's not the player that makes the team great it's how the player fits the team. That's why Richard Hamilton was a better fit for the Pistons as opposed to Jerry Stackhouse, despite Stackhouse being the better player. THAT'S what Vince Carter meant by him being utilized in the Nets as opposed to Toronto.
LilPrince Killa damn get him g
I feel you my dude.
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I agree but pierce did not average more then Kobe in the last few years haha
Baker Dozen was just an example my dude
I think Shaq is also a big underachiever. He could have won many more mvp’s if he wanted to. I think he was just a little to lazy and he didn’t want to work
Shaq underachieved only relative to how much raw talent he had. But 4 rings and 3 Finals MVP's?? I'll take that kind of underachieving all day.
Xavier Vega I think he was joking.....
Kazaam, Steel, Blue Chips, Scary Movie 4... no shit he was an underachiever
He could've won way more
I weren’t joking I’m mostly talking about regular season though
He’s gonna be a hall of famer. Never had a team that was a true contender how he underachieve?
With the nets he had a great team
KÖBISCH Piek great? not even close
the nets
Its really amazing how he's had 2 levels his entire career he was the same player for 8 years (a star) and then became a role player for the rest of his career basically going up and down on ppg for the rest of career
Id say rasheed wallace was a bigger underacheiver. He had the talent to be ahead of dirk, timmy,'and kg as the best pf of his generation.
TheShachattack13 Chris webber underacheived even more.
TheShachattack13 um no he was half insane he was in the NBA over achiever
Sheed won a championship. That's on par with his talent.
Stop. He was a good player, but he wasn’t on Dirk, Tim and those guys level
TheShachattack13 i agree
it "fustrates" me when you say "fustrates"
doc rivers very fustrating indeed
Saw a tweet that said Vince Carter spent 4 decades just runnin and jumpin lmaooooooo
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I think Vince was one of the greatest offensive machines I ever saw during his first 10 years. 24,000 points isn't too bad neither. Sucks playing during an era when there is Lebron, Iverson, Kobe, Duncan and a ton of other legends in their prime.
Great video. This just further proves that V.C was in fact a great player. We all wanted him to be the next M.J because he had the tools to do so. The man put Canada on the map in the basketball world. He made 8 all star teams and ranks in the top 30 in all time scoring. He's played in the NBA for like 18 years. He's a legend in his own right and I'm a huge fan of his. Always will be. Great video and great job to V.C. one of the great NBA careers IMO
These arguments kill me, in the last 20 years only 5 teams have won the nba championship, anyone NOT on those teams you could make an argument for being underachievers
damn looking at the video of Vince dunking on everybody, there is no player in the game today like him, we miss you Vince! you still Half Man Half Amazing to me...
He lost his speed and quickness early on in his career. He was able to drive past defenders with ease but then he started to rely on his post moves and jumper. He also took less risks with injuries and lacked the fire that kobe mj had. Still a great career but didnt meet ppls expectations
He is only overrated in the context that he is probably the most naturally physically talented wing player in league history. With that in mind, he could have been a top 5 all time imo.
Seeing as he will undoubtedly be a hof inductee, is likely going to finish top 20 all time in scoring, top 5 3pt made, and will likely set a record for career longevity/seasons played, I think he's done pretty well.
There's a lot of hyperbolic stuff in this video (only 8 all star appearances, not a top 10 player of his generation, etc...) but I'll just say I disagree with some points, and agree he underachieved, but is still an all time great player.
Buuuuuut he's still the greatest drunker of all time
Yeah still haven't seen no1 posterize people in games like Vince. Best in game dunker by far. vince still has 44 inch vertical. At least last year he did. Definitely an underachiever. Still my guy tho
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You spelled Carter wrong...
Justin Last J-Rich would spend all year planning his dunk contest. Vince just came up with his dunks on the spot. J-Rich was in THREE dunk contests to Vinces one, so he got to show more dunks then Vince. Vince was a million times better dunker. J-Rich also was a very one dimensional dunker (couldn't dunk good off one foot and was only really good with his right foot forward) while Vince was VERY well rounded. Hell Vince is in his 40s and he still can do a two foot take off between the legs without even trying
And no. No one today dunks close to as good as Vince. Vinces in game dunk reel shits all over anyone's today, and its not even close. Griffin, Gordon, Zach etc... Their in game dunk reel looks like crap compaired to Vinces
Daz True, but the ability to dunk through traffic or with contact is a VERY helpful skill that does make you a better player. Often a dunk is much harder to defend then a layup. Dunking is not everything, but it is a skill that helps your game
you nailed it, im from toronto and this is the best Vince video ive ever seen.
" he was only great for 2-3 years" yet he had 8 all star appearances which should have been about 10. He had 3 years as a top 5 player in Toronto and 3 years as a top 5 player in NJ that's at least 6 right there and not including years he averaged + 21 5 & 5 in his last 2 years in NJ where he was battling injuries and all his teammates J KIdd and RJ slowly left
This guy really said "He only won rookie of year, the dunk contest, and made the all star and all team..THATS ABOUT IT"
Only elite groups of guys like MJ, Kobe,Lebron can make that statement
Imagine Kobe in Vince’s body. Mamba mentality combined with one of the most athletic bodies ever.
Facts Bro! Carter had so much talent but didn't use his full potential
That’s basically Mj.
Basically. But keep in mind that Carter at maybe 70% of his potential was just as if not more athletic than MJ.
The Biggest Underachiever is Derrick Coleman(I know most don't know him). Derrick was a beast and a point Powerforward who got NBA's first 100 Million Dollar Contract and basically once he got his money...Didn't give a fk!! He even got fat and created future concerns about giving players big contracts. Young Derrick Coleman was amazing and very similar to Magic Johnson. Him Kenny Anderson and Drazen Petrovic were brilliant!
He did develop his defensive ability a lot later in his career.
Very underrated youtuber my dude. Keep the grind up
Im not going to continue this video i stopped at 2:22 ...if you wanna call someone an underachiever look at Dwight Howard or melo but to say VINCE CARTER the man that made Toronto relevant in the basketball world was an underachiever is a bit of a reach ...Every time Vince went either to the semis or playoffs there were teams that had either a legendary player like AI or a great team lead by younger talent like WADE and the heat who were hard to stop...if we are talking underachiever due to not making finals and winning championships then a lot of hall of famers that played in the Jordan era should be considered to by your logic ....i know i didn’t watch your video all the way thru but it doesn’t take much to see where it was going...Just another guy thinking he knows what it’s like in the nba despite not playing for a semipro team
I know this is old impact and underachieving is too different thing Impact is more on the lines of ai Marbury Yao jordan etc also the playoffs take same can literally be said about Melo and Dwight
VC's weakness were as follows;
1) Poor quickness/agility (not the same as speed)
2) Poor ability to read the defense (this is also Derozan's biggest flaw)
3) Made to improvements to his game such as adding moves like Kobe did every year
4) Too much reliance on shooting and not aggressive enough
5) Not competitive enough/settles
very fair criticisms
Vc 15 holds a place in my heart as a raptors fan like derozan mcgrady bosh do but at the end of the day even being a legit fan of carter yeah he's not all that like hype made him seem but he'll always be the best dunker ever in my book and always have that value to my simply as a raptors fan
Without Vince, The Raps would probably have been moved out of TO. He underachieved BIG TIME (should have been an MVP candidate with his potential) but he put the Raps on the map and was the most popular player in the NBA when in TO
i still remember watching the toronto team with t mac, vc, dell curry, nd charles oakley. goddamn that was such a fun team to watch
it's hard to call a hall of famer an underachiever
I bet you never saw prime Vince carter play.
@@Abbad1579 man I've watched Vince Carter play in high school, at UNC and his whole NBA career, I probably been watching basketball since before you was born son, sooooooo what are you saying?
@@jerryalexander8803 I watched Vince's prime in the early 2000s. He had all the talent in the world, but underachieved so much.
Vince is always gonna be my favorite🌟
How can Vince be overrated when people don't rate him at all? We know what happened to him: injuries and the laid back way he played the game after his first 4 years.
I remember being in middle school and everyone was talking about how either VC or Kobe were gonna be the next Jordan.
Lotta hate coming after this vid 😂😂
A lot of people in the comment section don't understand about Carter is he was physically gifted as any player who ever played in the NBA but he didn't have the mentality to take the throne. Just imagine if Draymond Green had that talent.
Exactly
But Vince was never on a championship calibur team (besides ORL but he was past his prime at that point) nor did he have a championship calibur coach. I guess you can say the mavs when he joined but that team like him was severely aged. So just saying. As for the NJ nets comment I grew up watching that team. Vince and that NJ nets team needed a big man. That was their Achilles heel. They had a decent bench but they never had a big man.
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SOMEONE WHO KNOWS WHAT WAS GOING ON WITH THAT NETS TEAM IM A BIG NETS FAN AND BEEN SAYING THAT FOR THE LONGEST THAT WE NEEDED A BIG MAN TO SLOW DOWN SHAQ AND OTHER BIG MEN
Ranmyaku Jouten (猥雑 上天) *caliber
RIght they dog they dudes who went at it solo for the chip but now dog the guys who only want a chip make up your mind.
I would agree with you in this video. Vince Carter to me was as close to being a Michael Jordan type of player as there is, he could dunk he could create his own shot off the dribble slash to the basket he was a better 3-point shooter than Jordan. I was so odd how Vince Carter's career started going downhill around like 2005 and be became a good role player.
Vince Carter played with no allstars on the Toronto Raptors and when he finally got some help with Jalen Rose they trashed him and traded him. The Raptors have always also failed small forwards, like they have no ideas how to use them and that is why it took until 2018 to have small forwards doing anything because they started playing position-less ball. He developed too many bad habits, and this is why Mcgrady wanted to leave too because they didn't know how to use small forwards properly. Any small forward for the raptors since their invention has not done well. Not James Johnson, not Mcgrady, not Terrance Ross, or any other small forward and this is because for some reason they want their small forwards (until this year 2018) to stand in the corner 90% of the time and shoot threes. This is what also made it hard for VC to be aggressive (which was a big complaint not only to him but virtually every small forward the raptors have ever had) and they expect him and all these small forwards to be aggressive when its the Raptors' coaching staffs fault. And yes I know there have been many different coaches since VC but please just look at their games past and present and you will see I am right, that the style of play for small forward position is completely the same. When they switched VC at times with Mo Pete position wise the same thing happened to him, always in the corner shooting 3s. And like I said no talent. I mean the best players besides VC was Mo Pete and Antonio Davis....really....
His windmills were beautiful
You make some great points but if we're being completely honest VC would've had a completely different career if he was brought into a great organization like kobe with the Lakers.
Great videos, very well documented, much appreciated.
Chris Paul is a bigger underachiever
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U done came a long way. Keep it up. 👍🏽 u keep putting out the good work, I’ll keep watching that’s fa sho...
Only 2 all nba teams?… only a few Allstars appearances?.. Only 2 finals appearances?.. Idk.. This one is kinda a reach..nobody said he better than kobe .. But underachiever? Idk.. I don't think so
But that's not HOF accolades, that's Hall of Very Good
Great piece thanks for doing it.
Why always gotta ruin my childhood these guys was my favorite players especially Vince. You speak facts tho just don't ruin my childhood lol😳😳
Xoomal Jones Chill. Dude exaggerates a bit, and sometimes a lot more than a bit.
Fr lol
@@mydogsnameislucy768 chill dude he said lol laughing at himself
@@areyoufeelingitnowmrkrabs8805 I was talking about LoW.
This is nonsense. Carter became the games best dunker, highlights, game winners, scoring. Carter Revolutionized the game for a younger generation and changed the landscape of the nba, raptors and Canada. Very few stars leave an imprint on the game the way Carter did.
Dwight Howard should be next for underachieve
TiddySauce either or. you can make a strong case for both
Dwight at the very least has carried his team to the Finals. There A LOT of star players that can't even say that.
Exactly..... so with out injury / sudden decline what could he have done? You mean to tell me as young as Dwight was when he left Orlando that that was all he could do? He just had a 30/30 game. The man was a 3x's DPoY. And now he's on a team that's just happy to make the playoffs.
No one has ever been better at dunking than Vinsanity. Not Jordan, not Darryl Dawkins, not Jason Richardson, nobody. At the same time, nobody has ever been a bigger quitter on his team than Vince Carter. I'm glad he eventually matured and became a mentor, but it's hard to live down just how much of a problem he became in Toronto. Fitting he never got a chance to win a ring after all that.
Im very gratefull for the free content and i do enjoy your videos alot. But as a carter fan, im exiting this video without a thumbs up or thumbs down.
Heres some names id like you to look into please. Gilbert Arenas, Jermaine O'Neal, Antoine Walker, and Steve Francis.
before injury he was 1/2 man 1/2 amazing. after injury hes just that guy that USE to do crazy dunks and sometimes able to create some flashback moments.
as a role player, hes alrite... but to me i always see him as an 'entertainer' rather than a competitor. dunking, boosting team morale, and hyping the stadium up was his thing.
Low key it’s Shaq
The Wallstar he could’ve done more if he had a good work ethic and didn’t let himself get out of shape
Dguz7 exactly
God damn I miss that purple headband playoff run. Alvin hitting that dagger to beat the Knicks on the road in the Garden is still my most fond Raptor memory from my childhood.
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underachiever my ass 😋... we still love him.. rings or no rings
@@emoh9225 He was an underachiever lol
Underachiever? Probably. The biggest? That is a stretch dude.
But didn't he have arthroscopic knee surgery which was like a death sentence for athletes at the time. After that knee surgery he became more of a jump shooter, and it worked better with the nets because Jason Kidd actually elevated that team, which is why Kidd left.
I agree he vastly underachieved. If you really followed Vince you know he had all the abilities and talent to be better than Kobe. Injuries didn't really derail him except for maybe the 02-03-04 years. He simply never had that heart or killer instinct. If he had the same mindset as Kobe he'd kill Kobe on everything. But he didnt. His legacy should've been far more prolific. Although I'll say Toronto didn't do shit for him and coasted on his popularity. I'm a huge VC fan since he came into the league and he really disappointed me throughout childhood man. PS: Sam Mitchell hated Vince and he didn't run the offense through Vince it was through bosh and the "team". Sam was a asshat.
286mic nah mindset and killer instinct don’t just magically make you better at basketball, he wasn’t just gonna be a defender out of nowhere or a playmaker
Ricky Delgado dude he avg 5apg for awhile. If he was determined to improve like Kobe did he would've avg 6apg no problem. As for defending, are you kidding me? He was by far the most athletic player, you think he couldn't defend whoever he wanted if he put his mind to it? Vince underachieved with his gifts, he should've been greater. Don't @me again cause you clearly never actually watched him.
Killer instinct wasn't the problem, Vince had that in spades. He just didn't have Kobe's work ethic. Kobe was determined to improve his game EVERY year and Vince didn't have that kind of dedication.
Vince has an insane work ethic, that's how he's still playing and is more athletic than 50% of the league at 41. His flaw was his niceness. He didn't want to be a ballhog, didn't want to step on toes when he got to a new team, and was too willing to slide into complimentary roles when he was still the best scorer on his team (Orlando)
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I'm not talking about his physical conditioning, I'm talking about improving his game. Vince's game never really evolved much since his rookie year.
Excellent video. It’s good that this video was created, because so many people Are completely ignorant when it comes to Vince Carter
Yet he's considered a hall of famer and Dwight Howard isn't
Andrew Fontenot anybody that says Howard isn't a hof is just stupid in the first place
Dwight isn’t borderline anything. He could literally retire right now and make the HOF. His career accomplishments are more than enough to be first ballot
Dwight Howard not a hall of famer?
wtf!
dwight is a hof
3 dpoys will get him that hof selection
i'm a pistons fan but i grew up in canada so i have a soft spot for the raptors. i really wish vc achieved more here. he really grew the ball culture here
Did you just say HE WASN'T A SUPERSTAR???!!
I agree 100 % , I''ve never saw him as what he was advertised to be !!.
You literally talked down on the entirety of Vince Carter's career. That's completely ridiculous; this was bias and misleading.
Imagine watching one of the great players of today play great for like 7 years and just play the rest of his years.. like 14 more years … as a fukn journeyman…. As a fan of the player … that does hurt alittle bit.. or just make you wonder what tf happened … imagine if Kyrie just stayed in the league for another 14 years and averaged like 10 points 😂…. You’d be scratching your head.. well that how anyone that watched Vince play in the early 2000s feels . Trust me
I partially agree... Vince Carter left his “edge” in Toronto. And to be honest, as a Raptor fan, the team didn’t really do enough for him either. They alienated T-Mac and forced him out, and did the same with Vince.
The fact that Vince Carter never became what he was supposed to be was due to the fact that he didn’t truly get what he wanted... and that’s sad
Not the BIGGEST underachiever ever but could have done more
you people couldn't carry vince carter gym bag...the disrespect in america is funny as hell...who are you to call guy who make it to highest level of basketball a underachiever...the nerve....smdh
He has 8 all star apperances
Great video LOW. Keep it up big fella
Man , not hatin' but you're critisizing the man for averaging 20 to 25 ppg , not more ? That seems kinda fucked up to me tbh.
jawher Djelassi nice profile pic!
Paul Pierce averaged 24 points during that series because his game never really relied on a lot of athleticism while Vince's game does. So age does have a factor since he can't drive as explosive as he used to be and use his quickness to create space for higher % shots.
Legend of Hating more like............
Melo is the biggest underachiever imo. The guy had so much hype coming out of college and people put him in the same category as LeBron, but it almost seems like as soon as he got in the league LBJ and even Wade just left him in the dust. He is still one of the best scorers in his generation but I personally thought he would have made more of an impact
Melo?
Melo took Kobe to 6 games with a nuggets roster that was more off balance than a water buffalo on a tight rope smh quit hating
Justin Last Fax
At some point, we have to expect a level of consistency from certain former players that we say belongs in the Hall of Fame.
A prime Vince Carter was actually just as good as a Lebron James. Jmo
Renegade Musik lmfao
This is great video. He was so flashy and electric he was on of my favorite players. Then he kinda just disappeared. I. was pretty shocked to find out he paying in Sacramento
Shawn Kemp I completely understand why hes labled a underachiever. He had talent and he had people to play with on each team. He just never lived up to the hype. It's crazy.
Vince Carter = Joe Johnson
Career wise
pakman iso joe was really good player but he was nowhere near a level of player carter was, stop it.
Vince was a superstar, but I've been saying this about melo and Vince for years. They play that way to prolong their career. When Vince sees that he is not on a championship team he pulls back his aggressiveness and plays in cruise control. This is why his defense was always lacking because, as oppose to offense, defense takes a lot of motivation and energy. We can see that Vince carters technique has worked. He is still playing and jumpin out the gym
You know whose overrated? *Michael Jordan*
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Mj has a near perfect nba resume