Penuel The Black Pen | In Conversation Adv. Ike Khumalo , Operation Dudula, Apartheid, ANC, CODESA
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 12 พ.ย. 2022
- Advocate Ike Khumalo is a senior advocate, a passionate activist and has a lot of strong ideas on how to turn South Africa into a better nation.
"Our leaders cannot think beyond a mercedez benz" 🤞 Facts
Sadly
Power ...
😂😂😂
That line hit hard!
Greed.
One thing about Penuel... he brings TOP TIER guests! Always!
Uqinisile. Always!!!
All I like about IKE is to put South Africans first power to that ndoda yamadoda
Pen man let me tell you something you thought you knew but you really don't know, Your podcast is bigger then 90% of what I see on TH-cam, please pride yourself man we learning a lot bra. Thank you syabonga Ntsizwa Yama Butho. God bless you.
Ike Khumalo spoke so well regarding the issue of illegal immigration, sanctions of Zimbabwe and Haitia, the false idea that Africa never had borders, racism and inequality in SA, Second Codesa as the possible solution going forward in SA and the sanction people can expect if they can take the land, the constitution and laws of the country
Penuel met his match. Listen to how Ike is explaining the grant system with facts and statistics.
True he turned the grant topic around. I was also not expecting his answer
This kind of engagement is exemplary, we should learn from that particular moment more than focus on who is better, they both great and built each other more than anything else, we all need each other, Penuel's brilliant show brought us this amazing interview.
I total agree this guy filling the gaps and correcting the misunderstanding that Pen has ob certain concept and human behaviour.
Yinkunzi Khumalo
As a Congolese born and raised in Eswatini but living and working in South Africa, I totally support Ike on what foreigners are doing in South Africa, we need him too in DRC because our country has been taken over by Nigerians, Indians and Rwandans. I like that scarce skills part, I'm an Industrial Robotics and Artificial intelligence engineer which is a scarce skill and you should only be allowed to come to a country if you coming to start a business or are a scarce skill, PERIOD!!
Business needs labourer, I bet you forgot that. Any country in the world, any super power country needs investors and labourers be it highly educated or uneducated, they go hand in hand. Do you know how many people Canada brings in just to pick fruits?
@@briandejesustofa3708 that's because maybe there's not enough local citizens willing to do that job, but in South Africa and the DRC there's more than enough people for those jobs but illegal immigrants are hired instead because they can be overworked and underpaid.
Europeans are united and Africans are divided through the rule implemented by white men."Divided & rule ".Borders have made Africans hate their fellow Africans & see nothing like them (Self hate)
Wtf Nigerians aren’t in Congo 😅
@@iyiolaabosede9500 yes there's a lot of your people there causing unnecessary havoc, even in Eswatini it's a stereotype that most of y'all are in illegal dealings like drugs and armed robberies.
Every South African need to check this conversation 🔥💯
I knew Adv. Ike Khumalo through Power FM he used to be a regular caller. Unfortunately they banned him. I really love his opinions. I really admire him
Remember power FM is funded by rupert.there are no longer speaking truth to power.since JJ left they are pushing a certain agenda
I just knew this would be an amazing conversation! As a country and a continent, we need more people who think like Ike Khumalo.
These are topics we shouldn’t be afraid to talk about in South Africa. The Advocate is truly conscious.
I enjoyed the discussion…
We had borders since the begining of time. That is why we had people running away from inkosi uShaka to the land of kgosi Moshoeshoe and inkosi uHintsa.
We all knew where the land of each tribe began and ended. Malema is drunk, yes we did not have fence, however, no one would enter any land of any African kingdom without declaring and asking for permission to either pass through or stay.
But that was not borderline
@@donaldmolaba3464 That was borderline.
You might well say, like colonizers that Africans did not marry, just because they did not wear a suit and a white wedding dress in front of the pulpit.
That is a colonization mindset. Yes we married and yes we had borders.
How would people like AmaMfengu became refugees in the land of AmaXhosa if there were no borders?
Inkosi uCetshwayo had his land and his people and accepted iNdlovukazi uNandi and his son inkosi uShaka, whilst other subgroups were chasing them away.
How can those kings and chiefs chase indlovukazi and inkosi away if there was no borderline?
This is just a crazy argument based on a cognitive dissonance.
lol which borders?@@mthokozisilanga4497
Top Class comment.
South Africa need to have more conversations like this.
This guy speaking facts , n no politician can sit with him 1 on 1
I can imagine him taking Gwede apart 😂
Gwede won't "stomach" him
Not even a single Politician can debate this guy
He's weak
😭😭😭❤️ the courts really kept this man quiet via socials...Thanks Pen
"we're engineered to oppose the system as opposed to building it " i felt those words
What a rich interview! Thanks Penuel. Advocate Khumalo, please consider hosting Master Classes. We need in-depth discussions of the topics covered.
MacG and Sol were not lying man this man's visuals are top tier yoh
Instead of praising him,they ridicule him
@@ThabsGOlol you know Mac and Sol with them banter is the order of the day sometimes they go beyond
But we're did he get the funds to have such quality?? Think!...
What a beautiful beard💯
Ike is not bad as the way the media portrays him. He is very knowledgeable on the law and raised very valid points on current affairs. Thoroughly enjoyed the interview.
He seems like a laid back dude I swallow my words never understood him.
You've got to realise something once you question the status core of capitalism they will fight you to death
You are a star my broer, m de 1 who asked 4 his interview!!
I'm so glad Ike came here to educate all of us including the host of the podcast
Ike is maturing well, he used to be wild but now I see a calm Ike who puts out his views without showing any anger. Age is catching up with Ike😅 but I am glad to have learnt so much from him. This is one of the guys that needs to be protected
The sound quality and visual on this podcast is dope clean and superb
I used to listen to advocate Khumalo from powerfm mostly when Professor JJ Tabane was still there very brilliant mind and never scared of speaking the truth.
lol I see hatred over Africans and loves Europeans
So much knowledge and wisdom shared in this interview ✨
My Black Brothers are weak against other men when it comes to global affairs/leadership.....💯💯
THANK YOU IKE FOR SPEAKING OUT ABOUT IMMIGRATION, SA MUST BE PROTECTED.
The Penuel Show with Adv. Ike Khumalo
Timestamps
00:00 - Intro
00:10 - Welcoming in Adv. Khumalo
03:30 - Effects of being arrested during 21' July looting
09:15 - Reasons behind arrest
12:05 - Why do you question things
14:20 - Thoughts on influential men
16:50 - Thoughts on black men
19:50 - Leadership
26:30 - African leaders
28:20 - Operation Dudula
35:35 - Focus on Africans
38:30 - Who has committed the most atrocities
40:00 - Solutions to South African problems
44:00 - CODESA
49:05 - ANC / Politics
- Revolutions
58:00 - Inspiration
1:05:35 - Comfort & relationship to social grants
1:11:00 - How social grants can be used for beneficial reasons
1:13:30 - Social chaos
1:18:20 - Thoughts on current legal system
1:30:24 - ENDS
Thank you Khwezi 🙏🏽
Legend 🙏
Thanks Penuel.Bra Ike , siyabonga bafo.You one of the folks amongst inspirational leaders people to do university LECTURES to influence our youth. Standing ovation ,
Loooove Ike Khumalo, these two guys are two of my favorite people.
doing the lords work🙏🏾
Love Ike he's not afraid to lose for what he believes.
Yoh, from 23:00 to 25:00 Ike echoed all my thoughts about the "average" man. Two days ago 85000 people gathered to watch a bunch of grown-ups run around kicking a ball for 90 min, last week it was 90 000. Some even traveled from different provinces,yet we can't even get 10% of these people to march to Mega watt park and demand the sacking of Andre de Ruyter. When you realize the number of people that were gathered in those stadiums equals to our entire Military and police force combined you'l realize that South Africans deserve the high unemployment rate, lack of service delivery, the privatizing of SOE and non-stop loadsheding.
FACTS
Interesting
Joh man this is deep. Comfortable zone
Very true. Completely misplaced priorities.
Eish thats facts you just posted
I like Ike Khumalo and I've learn so many things from him🤜🤛
The Bravery with this two true leaders who speaks truth "powerfull"
Adv Ike Khumalo used to call on Talk radio 702 back in 2012/13 I was in varsity doing my 2nd year, I know him from there and he disappeared. I used to ask myself what happened to him even this year. I'm happy to finally see him
He resurfaced around 2018, 2019 and 2020...this time around calling Power FM. He's very clear this brother. Big ups 👊🏽
Just wanna send a big shout out to you Penuel🔥, please keep the episodes coming. We're learning 👑🔥
Ike, thank you for the legal education you provided throughout the duration of the interview, and the expression of humanity that came through, people like yourself should be helping to articulate and carve the political and economic path of society, be at the forefront our economic and societal development.
I love this guest, one of the best guest on the show. He made the most sense to everything he said. So much respect for him. Thank you
We are prisoners of hope❤
Adv.Ike Khumalo u r God send,I cant b'lieve I had a chance 2 hear u.U r amazing,intuitive compassionate,educated,everything...I wish u should long 2 benefit this country.
Ike Is schooling Penuel and the rest of us.
I share exactly the same sentiments on xenophobia.
I really enjoyed the way Ike speaks in very lay terms, while uttering deep stuff (legal, international, political, historical economic relations). He is a true leader, relying on accessible language, relevant and relatable context for the audience. Siyabonga.
Wena wenzani in your corner about this
I love this guy!!! Ike is a LEGEND and represents the kind of South Africa we NEED!
we need part 2 With Advocate Ike Khumalo
Advocate Khumalo is one of few people who are willing and ready to stand for what he knows and believe in.
This is the most important South African interview I have ever since I started being a big follower of podcasts....I'm still shocked about Ike Khumalo's recollection of Codesa.....A Codesa 2.0 is urgently needed the future of our country depends on it 😲😲
Penual is bringing great guests. I will love this.
I wonder what is a senior advocate. Anyhow, Adv khumalo is an articulate and well read individual. Real Black Excellence.
All thanks to the Black Pen for inviting this relatable intellect.
I am proud of this interview, it was done right.
"this world is very cold, you have got to claim your space'" those words picked me up
we so love this! when people have different views and they get to back why they adopt such conventions
When i tell people i want 6 children , they think i m crazy , Children are a blessing you can have as much as you want as long as u can provide a good life and support them
Bra Ike i love your sincerity and honesty.
What a time to be alive been waiting to see you guys in one room
Thanks, Penuel for bringing this side of Brah Ike, as a person. He must come back there is a well of information and knowledge there. Big up!!!
I'm glad penuel you invited someone with a different view from yours and you are a great listener it shows your maturity. Big ups👌👌
I had to pace back & forth listening to this great, articulate guest. Knowledge on steroids! Penuel you never disappoint 💪🏾🤙🏾.
This interview is one of the best. I need to listen to this conversation again this Adv ike is clear about everything about what is saying. Thank you GodPenuel for bringing Adv Ike Khumalo 🙏🏾
Smart man this one.. wise man.
What a great mind, Ike enkosi kakhulu, and Pen, thank you so much for bringing this man. Echoed some really good points especially on how we as South Africans don't challenge the government. And also how when a leader is killed life just goes on... Really enjoyed this chat
My Dad always spoke about Ike💯
I concur with Penuel's observation that South Africans tend to travel primarily for leisure purposes. Personally, I have been fortunate enough to possess a bold and adventurous spirit, and have traveled extensively throughout Africa, interacting with people from all over the continent. During our conversations, I noticed that individuals travel for two main reasons: firstly, due to poverty and lack of opportunities in their home countries, and secondly, to gain skills and knowledge from around the world. However, the issue arises when many of these individuals do not wish to return to their countries of origin, including Nigerians. Instead, a significant number of them choose to settle in Europe, Canada, or the US. As a Master's degree student at Pan African University, I have had the opportunity to interact with African students from various countries, and it is interesting to note that many of them aspire to relocate to France (for those from French-speaking nations) or Canada.
One day I would like to meet Ike. At one time he was angry, but know he looks happy. I miss your youtubes.😎😎
Enlightening and progressive views. Thank you Penuel and bro Ike. Why are such people not utilized by this government?
Thank you Penuel for inviting this guy over.
Ike sounds like a reasonable man. Very astute with our history as a continent.👌👌
even when he was on tweeter He responds to everybody whether a celeb or not, very humble grootman, he relates to youngsters and people his age. I don't know him personally but he once returned my DM and told me if I do not get help from his advice I must DM him. Bra Ike is a real foot soldier. I SALUTE THIS BRA IKE KHUMALO.....
Who needs politicians when we have Ike Khumalo.
I can't wait to check this out.
I used to listen to bra Ike when he used to wrestle with Thabiso Kotane on Power Fm
Shoh! Bra Ike is really a legend...you always learn something from him...and thanks Penuel for letting the interview flow...great discussion indeed
Very educational conversation and makes you see where we come from and how to moves on, thank Mr Khumala, wishing you well in life.
Trust Penuel to ask all the relevant questions. Always and every time ✊🏽👏🏽
Great interview , your choice of guest Mr. Khumalo was awesome choice.
Thanks for today's episode Bra Ike is my favourite..I got to know him on Power FM
Didn't really cav grootman, but I don't regret watching and listening. He is worth it. Kea leboha haholo Marena
Penuel you have grown as an interviwer. Well done!!!
this has to go viral. Awesome interview
Guy's.
I love your language.
Enough is enough
What a humble guy, support you big time.Dudula for the people,E F F and A N C for the rich people.
The big man. 🎉🎉🎉🎉He spits the truth
Ike is very intelligent. And I would like to take this moment and give him his flowers. Adv. Khumalo I yes u my brother .
He touched something when we he said we engineered to fight the system the once they got freedom they didn't know what to do with afterwards. My father spoke something similar he said before apartheid ended Matric was a very high accolade and once after receiving you could start a family and work but that all changed with the end of apartheid. If you look in history, the people that actually fight the war, they are not well taken care of afterwards. Tom cruise made a movie about war vets and their trauma after wars but in true fact , some leaders are great at fighting while others are great in administration, it really depends what you looking for as a people, someone who can toyi toyi or someone who can give good service delivery and expand our economy.
IKE KHUMALO MADE ME SUBSCRIBE ... AS MUCH AS HE IS A PATRIOT IN HIS COUNTRY ... ZIMs MUST BE PATRIOTIC IN THEIRS ASWELL
I like how he explains grant as a parent we don't throw our children out a politician should think like a parent
We need people like Adv. Ike Khumalo to lead our people. We need leaders who stand for our people. What a great conversation.
I'm listening for the 2nd time and I hope he comes back. Enjoy his wisdom and how it came across all throughout the interview...❤
All along I have been thinking that this fellow was just utsotsi/sidlamlilo from Jozi, however this interview has changed my perception about Ike Mntungwa 180 degrees, big ups to your work Penelimnyama💪🏾
"You have to a bit abnorrmal to achieve certain things."
Yes sir.
Love bro Ike unapologetic telling the truth
I thoroughly enjoyed the sit down.
Crisp production , beautiful visuals tops audio!!...Thought provoking content !!!
Nice interview Pen, I could tell how different you and advocate are but you held this conversation so well. You guys differ a lot on ideologies but you managed to have a decent conversation
These are types of leaders we need
Ike should be a regular guest, at least once every quarter.
There is no equality when there is capital involved. We need equity to level the playing field
Ike is not your regular black south African men, i have learned so much in 1 hour my perception about myself, life and Africa as an African has changed drastically.
Never knew about this man before. Like him very much. Well done on pushing him on the Roman Dutch law question. I thought that was interesting, but I think it warrants its own full hour as I am also a big critic of the foreign law blueprint we mirror.
Bra Ike it ain't easy out here...Some of us don't get opportunities but we are gifted
Such a great knowledge from Ike Khumalo wow brilliant 👏🏾👏🏾
I have been waiting for this