@coatknight Do you just latch onto one thing and miss all the other points being put across? If you're such a Christian why are you so quick to judge PieterCoetzee? I'm a Christian too and the Bible gives me the right to call you out on your sin if I'm without said sin! You should check yourself before you reck yourself! Oh and by the way, I love this platform too because it's informative! You going to judge me next? We're meant to be fishers of men, some you catch and they accept Christ! Others you catch and they deny Christ in which case you let them go unless God compels you with a calling to bring the word to that person, whether that person be traditional or an atheist!!
Are they really intelligent if they allow the stupid black to given them. Surely if those blacks are intelligent they would NOT allow the dumb blacks to govern. Greed is the problem with the blacks in this country.
Indeed, you are right! No smart person (black or otherwse) with skills and amibitons goes into government in SA. Government is where people with no other options and positive qualities aside from political connections go.
You really think so? He said apartheid was good such as the colonizers brought art. What the hell does white people know about art. He is an uneducated fool. When black people was building PYRAMIDS everyone else was living in caves.
The best thing is that he is not afraid to speak truth to power and we need these kind of people in this Country but unfortunately there are very few of these people
I agree with all three opinions shared and I'm in agreement, I could listen as well to Adv Khumalo for hours! I find him to be a very interesting, knowledgeable man and I'm in awe of him!! 💪💥🇿🇦🙏❤️
I'am a white South African borne in 1976. I'am so glad you guys are speaking intelligently and bringing forth this information, the youth needs to hear this !. There were white South Africans who fought against the old government but they were silenced very quickly and they were watched if there was too much sympathy... my family moved away from the city to a sugar cane plantation to get away from all the injustice and propaganda there were no farmers being murdered we all lived happily without animosity I was always the only white face amongst everyone. My fondest memories as a child was living there. The first time I experienced racism was when we moved to the suburbs, what a shock it was for me ! I use to get into heated situations at school I was called A Kaffer Lover , it was terrible. Keep up with your journey and spread the truth.....
I'm 15 years old & I understand very well that back in the days even now , you can find white south Africans even white foregiens who have pure heart and who stand against racism and other staffs that keeps on depressing a black men . Adding on what you're saying , yes as a youth some of us understands that not all White are racist there are whites who just have pure heart but please try to view from our side , and from a side of someone who's educated if I may say . Obviously the statements will always say “ white people are racists, white people took our land ” because it's the majority of white people who did that and we end up generalising and saying all white people are not good and some of us grow up with that thing of generalising and end up hateing all people who are white and I don't blame my people ( blacks) .
Exactly. There were many whites who did not agree with Apartheid. Personally the only people who helped me as a divorced Mum of two toddler Swiss sons in Durban from 1989 - 1992 were one coloured friend & several whites. It is so shameful what is going on in South Africa. This demonic playing of the Blame Game.
That's exactly what I'm yearning, i call him laaitie e slim blind yase Kasi, to those who don't understand the lingo, i simply says, an intelligent young man from the ghettos (location) mark my words the likes of Adv Ike Khumalo, are the people who suppose to be in our Gvnment we need simple people like Dr Aron Motsoaledi, Bonang Mogale, Adv Dali Mpofu, Dr Nkosasana Dlamini Zuma, Dr Naledi Phando, Former Judge Mogoeng Mogoeng, and this guy who has just exposed ANC Leadership wanted 500m of UIF money that's a very honest guy, and God fearing, these are the key people who are totally not INSATIABLE not these greedy corrupt thieves in the ANC, i mean we tired of being silence especially being in the know of what is transpiring in our country. We've got good law abiding citizens in some political parties across the board, Africans and Whites who can't steal even a needle, but they are aloof scared to be killed, How i wish that one day we could have the same spirit of 1976, we stand up ones and say ENOUGH IS ENOUGH, We are no longer going to take it, allowing ourselves to be led by Morons who knows nothing about the Gvnment except good English, abo bari nje na noma oba bekile gu ma TV muntu wa khona athi oya khuluma oya ukhuthi lento e bari bari bari, a real JIM COMES TO JOBURG, sis man this is very disgusting, I'm now over 70 years of age, but i can see Ike and the rest of the guys highlighted above right in me, what he talks about hatred among your own people that's what I've been going through during the Apartheid regime, and Mangope came same even worse, now in the so-called new Gvnment, albeit having in the beginning tried to better most Africans Lives here and there also mine of course, but as we speak the way corruption and crime is so rampant and the prevailing Lawlessness even in the respectable house of Chieves here in Hammanskraal, everything good that was done in the early 90's and during Bophutatswana has been completely eradicated, BABELEGI INDUSTRIAL VANDALIZED everything everywhere is just falling apart, and when you speak you are threatened with death, Kgoshi himself would stand in a meeting and says, somebody will get lost (ketlomo timetsa) and no one will utter a word, I'll be the only one reprimanding him, and a hall with elderly Men and Women will be dead quiet, no support at all, here I'm talking about Africans only no White man in our communities, but u'll find your own people being the ones who hates you so much that they'll never greet you anymore, instead u'll receive phone calls threats, AFRICANS PLEASE I BEG YOU ALL LET'S REPENT AND LEARN TO TELL THE TRUTH AS IT IS, AND CALL A SPADE A SPADE, BEING SYCOPHANTIC LIKE WE WANT TO HAVE A SHARE OF CORRUPTION OUR LEADERSHIP ARE INVOLVED IN, IS NOT GOING TO MAKE US A BETTER PEOPLE, BUT A CORRUPT NATION WHICH IS A VERY ATROCIOUS LEGACY FOR THE GENERATION TO COME. PLEASE PEOPLE REPENT, WE ARE LIVING IN THE TIME OF THE END, JESUS IS COMING VERY SOON, BELIEVE IT OR NOT, HE IS COMING.
yes, he should run for some office. but he put himself down when asked with the "OLD" thing. With age comes wisdom, usually. Anyway, it's not about your age as much as with your health.
Ike is correct, the new generation cannot compare. I am a senior citizen and lived in both systems. The tender system is littered with corruption. I was shocked when my son told me that the bus driver was telling my son was apartheid was better the current ANC government. There was order, when you go to Bara Hospital, you would get the best service. Greed has taken over, our leadership is only looking out for themselves and our clothing industrial has been decimated. China has killed our clothing industries hence unemployment increased. Mr Maponya had started the first car dealership during apartheid. Dr. Montlana with the committee of 10 started this group and who formed a business forum then. Our people owned, hardwares, butcheries, shops and many other industries. The Comrades came in and made sure that no one other than them get tenders, they were not open to the public. Only they got the tenders. I remember a family member trying for a tender, and he was blatantly told that you must belong to a branch.
It's so true, our roads in villages were perfect with no potholes there were yellow trucks who were maintaining those roads with gravel making is smooth, now those roads are becoming rivers and banks ..... apartheid gave us jobs where we were but now everyone is migrating to big cities leaving our schools closed and being vulnerable to hooligans who vandalising them.
Ike is the embodiment of an independent uncaptured thinker, I truly appreciate his unique perspective on various issues. Thanks for coming back to the show Mntungwa. Keep up the great work Pen and team.
How refreshing to hear someone cutting through the BS, and speaking the truth about everything that has gone wrong in this country. The ANC has failed every person of color in South Africa. Greatly admire these two brothers and what they have to say. Great stuff.
What a candid and refreshing discourse, this platform needs to be made compulsory for all South Africans to view. It brings hope, especially in these bleak times with the 2024 elections around the corner!
Ok Penuel you've convinced me, i'm subscribing. I want to consume these kinds of conversations that call for black representation in the economy and the advancement of black people in general. Not complaining about apartheid but rather pushing our young people to make this part of the world better for other black people not just for their families.
Its starts by taking responsibility, then moving beyond the old ways, and then garnering respect through actions of innovation. So, you got a while to go, as too many of the majority cant follow law and regulation even, its fundamental to a productive society.
I first saw this Ike guy on a debate on eNCA and would listen to him share his opinions every now and then on Power FM. This man has the country's best interests at heart although his approach to addressing the problems that plague the nation can be a bit rugged but that is what I appreciate him for, he calls a spade a spade and I believe the nation needs more people like him who will stand up for the nation and are unapologetic about putting South Africans and South Africa first.
This guy is very knowledgeable and insightful, imagen a South Africa with so many black insightful man and woman... This man is not emotional but, objective very impressive indeed...wow
Adv Khumalo, we disappointed that a person like you should be in the public space and mislead masses that you have a problem with the private and bost that you never voted and you o not say why and when to vote! Please get put on the public space urgently! Believe on not, for the first time and I was impressed as all what you said I know about the past but not to Bost that you never voted! Please remind your followers to vote for better thoughts.
Hey dudes…. I’m a white guy. I say good for you, this is constructive discussion that is very healthy and necessary in our country. Both of you are ambassadors of SA. Good luck going forward 👍
Het jy na die hele gesprek geluister? 56m So jy dink die Godslastering is konstruktief? Ps 14:1 1h15 En soos hulle dink jy goed van Hitler, Mao en Stalin?
Doesnt help so many people are uneducated no thanx to the people they vote for. Had people actually listened to the warnings of others and voted out the ANC long ago and abolish radicals like EFF, wed have had a far more educated population, and debates like these, wouldnt even have existed to begin with, as there would have been no need.
@@hopebuhali3887 There are about 60 million people in SA. This country would not be the way it is if the majority of the 60 million people had the same thinking as Ike. Hence, Ike and others alike are in the minority. Not a difficult concept to understand.
@@ShaunJulies I disagree with you, that's very shallow and a short sighted analysis on South Africans. You should remember that with the 60 million South Africans, only 10% have the power to change the status in South Africa. There's so much inequality in SA to the point where you are literally voicless and powerless if you don't have enough wealth, power and influence to create change in the country. There's so many brilliant people in this country but are powerless to create any positive change simply because they poor and systemically intentionally excluded from creating any change. Bra Ike is fortunate enough to be given a space to share his thoughts and ideas, unlike the millions of other South Africans who can't even access the internet that you take for granted and social media platforms to share their brilliant ideas and thoughts due to poverty and systemic inequality.
@@hopebuhali3887 Everyone in this country's vote counts. Not only 10% of the people. If a quarter of the 60 million people chose to vote differently then half of our problem's would be solved already. You cannot say only 10% have the power and influence to change things when it is actually the majority that has the power, but chooses to relenquish that power by putting the same people in power who have proven over and over again that they do not have South Africa's interests at heart.
@@sabelonhleko7947 100% angibuboni ubuhlakani la, the guy for me he's not so clever I feel Lux is more clever than him that's why they got rid of him kwi dudula 😂😂angazi njalo for me saying ama Zulu Never won the battle shows that the guy doesn't believe ebantwini
People say I'm meditating, I'm living in my own world, I tell them that I'm not just on social media for stuff that doesn't teach me anything, I'm not on social media for nonsense, I'm not a musician to lead people to do nonsense, I tell em that me being nice to everyone doesn't mean I agree with everyone, I am for what I want, I subscribe to podcasts that gives me more knowledge on things that are being ignored by the majority, then you think I'm mad when I don't go with the flow. Thank you Pen for this bruh, we're blessed and we're learning because we want to.
This is the type of conversation South African men need to have as a unit no matter their tribe. He states that African men have a mental blockage to being organized and managing well. I see from South African men that their ego is the foundation of their existence. They do not want to ask for help to learn and make things better.
this gentleman speaks a lot of senses and i do respect his honest points its time humanity open their minds its not a race issue but a human of perception of reality respect mr I Khumalo.
This is one of the interviews I watched on repeat for TWO days!! Bab'Khumalo is our shining star for telling it as it is. This is the type of wisdom we need in our daily lives. The government of today if it were serious and a loving one would've recruited him to shape their flaws and rectify it. Much love Mashobane!!!❤
It's a fact, in SA, if you don't have a 'tag' or 'celebrity' of some sort, no one takes you seriously even when you have development ideas. Love these conversations.
Thanks for this interview. Ike has impressed , and unfortunately people like him are not hungry for power. We need a different system of leadership in this country driven by a new electoral systems.
To steal one of Mr Khumalo’ phrases “ If you have the light let it shine on others” . Let’s hope his light keeps on shining and all hear his message - self confidence and self belief is super important. What a well balanced and smart man who definitely is not waiting for anyone to do things for him . 👍
It's actually not his phrase to begin with, rather it's a phrase of the Jesus that Ike claims never existed. It's found in Matthew 5:16. Don't you find it interesting that a men who claims Jesus never existed finds nothing wrong with quoting him? How about him talking about Moses, David and Solomon in the same conversation where he denied the existence of Jesus? And he claims Paul and Jesus who lived at least a thousand years after David and Moses, never existed? The men is completely confused and clearly has a spiritual void in his heart. Unfortunately, only Jesus can fill that vaccum. Wait, he does not believe in GOD nor his Son. I would not be worried about the ANC if I were him....
I respect IKE KHUMALO when he speaks i always listen this man is heart broken by the ANC and all what he says always is true this country cant be border less and we never enjoy our freedom.
Bra Ike is pregnant with Thoughts and Wisdom, I like how he delivers to Us midwives so that we handle with care and treasure it and pass it to the coming generations. We appreciate him ❤👌
You are a man of substance adv Khumalo .I as a white man lived through the 70s 80s 90s till now .Dispised the NP .We had a short period during Mr Mandelas reign of hope and prosperity in our land .If only we could have Mr MandeIa for another 5 years, I look at SA and feel like a total stranger .Then a man like you speak the truth and I get hope for our beautiful SA .Black people are also getting tired and frustrated with our dire situation .I believe that our change and future are in the hands of the brave black men and women that is not scared to say it as it is .I thank you from the bottom of my heart for your true words .God Bless SA our beloved country and all its people .
I lost Mr Ike when he got banned (for a lack of a better word) on 702 Talk Radio. But that helped me a lot because I started view main stream media with a sober mind, and I noticed I was captured for so long. Thanks to their disagreement with Aubrey, it woken me up from the slumber. Thanks Penn for inviting the guy, he's gem.
I'm glad you woke up Sandile. The entire democracy system is a big fraud created to benefit parasitic elites. It will never benefit the marginalised in particular Africans.
Truth is, how can you be truly free if all your ever doing is listening to people who tell you what to think. If you want freedom of thought, you need to start reading books, and then challenging the ideas of these very people. Every man takes the limits of his own field of vision for the limits of the world.
I agree with Bra Ike, Pen is quite amazing at this. I watch all these SA podcasts and even overseas ones, Pen is one of the best in the world. I think the person who was comparing to MacG is not a consumer of podcasting because Pen is an intellect and the other one is just for entertainment and gossip.
I think he get lot of gaslighting not from his ability to engage/debate/handling interview/questioning/some of his ideologies,, he is a descent solid guy but he often get caught in cultural wars sometimes as he's inclined to throw himself into it but i guess its a nature of being so called influencers/celebrities u have to always try to remain on top of things at all cost. I do like him but I also understand why he get some punches as well, and i think he also does understand it as well.
Mac G is amazing at what he does, and has proven that he can also hold educational episodes... along with being a master of the entertaining ones. He's currently the leader in SA podcasting... even though we do different "genres" of content.
@@godpenuelyou try very hard to pretend you're not a MacG hater yet you once tried to compete by dropping on Thursdays at 3PM. That's why MacG doesn't reconcile with you - he can see through your fake BS.
This is the BEST that I have listened to since 1994! Penuel you are a excellent interviewer and Adv Ike you are a visionary and we need many more like you 🙏👍
I too feel the same, being an Indian listening to Ike was soo refreshing, we definitely need more human kind like him. He's not stirring any division. That's what God wants from us. Our skin color should not be a factor we are all one, divine souls put on earth to connect as one. Love peace to all brothers and sisters. ❤
Hope you all had a great weekend. Winter is slowly saying goodbye and Southern Africa will be celebrating it's new year soon in September. Enjoy the episode... love you ❤️✌🏾✊🏽
I stopped listening at the 08:00 mark. This guy is not very smart. If he would have said that the governments during apartheid were more competent than the ANC, that could be an interesting argument (the governments during apartheid never had the challenge of integrating the majority of the population, that had been held back). Saying that apartheid was legal is a non-statement. Anything put into law is legal. There are countries where you can murder homosexuals by law, therefore it is legal. But it is clear, that it should not be. Asking how black people suffered during apartheid means that he isn't very good at comparative analyses. If black people would have had an equal say for decades, would have been allowed to purchase the good land, if there had never been townships and all races would have lived together, if blacks would have received better education for all those decades. That is what you should be comparing.
These are two intelligent men discussing serious issues from a perspective that many people don't realize. But i feel somehow pen is still bitter about the Julius issue and i won't be surprised if this is a paid campaign. As much as i don't agree with Julius on certain things, he really brings value to the life of a black man. Unlike pen, Julius didn't lose hope in a black man, he acknowledges a black man still has a lot to learn and must learn in a decolonized education system manner. Julius doesn't fight SA affairs only but his dream is for all african people. If you want to discuss Julius Mr Pen, first agree with him where he impart knowledge and wokeness of black people, then, positively criticize him. Not this non sense agenda you are pushing right now
Very True Sir Ike,pre 94,was better off than,this current managers of our country,we have developed a selfish persona as a black man,look how the poor gets more poorer,and politicians and friends are prospering.
This man Nkos’ yam!!! I learned a lot of history listening to him. Very relaxed when he’s interviewed and speaks his mind. We need to be stay focused or we gonna be a lost generation.
I was listening to this while working, and was propperly distracted. It was a great interview........ the political, cultural and behavioural aspects of it in particular. Very refreshing and insightfull. The kind of message that needs to be heard by millions of people who only get exposed to the BS ANC and EFF rhetoric and brain washing. You are right, none if us have the government me want or need.....please, plead with people to go and vote, if they are not going to vote for the ANC, they must vote for any other party they feel would do a better job. I dont understand the loyalty people have towards the ANC after what they have done to this country, to us all. Good one thanks.
Great Chat, Pen. I really like Ike, and the way that he speaks about what is needed. We need hard men, and hard people, like himself not everyone can do amapiano! Keep it up!
Thanks penuel for bringing back Ike , great conversation indeed. Thanks for bringing these discussions. I agree with Bra Ike in many points he articulated.
Ike is spot on in particular with the broederbond Afrikaners came with a brilliant idea at Kensington by initiating this secret society As if we were not to divisive we were supposed to copy the same thing
What South Africa and South Africans need is an identity. Not a race, religion nor ethnic commonality will help us fight for the same thing as a collective. We need an identity and a catalyst for that identity should be base on poverty eradication. This however, is not to be achieved politically but socially instead.
I deeply admire Penuel and Ike as both follow their work , particularly when it comes to discussions about religion. As a fellow Christian, I truly believe in the importance of being critical and seeking knowledge. History serves as a valuable tool to affirm the foundations and origins of Christianity, as the evidence is abundant. It is crucial to critically examine the teachings of Christianity to deepen our understanding and grow in our faith.
Integrity is everything. And Advocate Ike Khumalo speaks truth, it’s this truth that will set us free. We are not robots, we are people who can think, we can make a contribution and he is making that contribution freely. We must encourage each other to reach that level of engagement.
Mr Khumalo you are Amazing! I have great respect for you you are so knowledgable and can do so nuch for our beautiful country. God bless you and Please continue to carry on with you are doing to bring change to this wonderful country❤
Mr Khumalo go on with the good work we support you thank You yhoo uvela phi umuntu onje tell them it's high time now our children are Amaphara because of this corrupt government
I appreciate Ike's thorough analysis of the different presidents of South Africa during the democratic era and their respective accomplishments or failures. However, it is crucial to approach the era of apartheid with a clear and comprehensive context. While it is true that there were some positive aspects, it is important to recognize that the primary issue with apartheid was its focus on benefiting the minority population while perpetuating discrimination against the majority. Therefore, it is vital to consider both the positive and negative aspects of this era in order to fully understand its complexities.
@karabomasemola6408 You're stating the obvious within your response with regards to South Africa's history! We are all familiar with the history! 🙄🙄🙄 Meaning that in your response you're going back and forth, not actually being opinionated on the topic at hand with the points being put across in the interview! Adv Khumalo was comprehensive and crystal clear in his view points but you weren't paying attention or maybe just listening with half an ear. As for you downplaying and saying "there were some positive aspects" regarding the old government, I think the only reason you put it like that was to fit your own narrative! There weren't "some" positive aspects to the old government but many, too many for me to explain to you and waste my time in doing so and please don't take my words out of context. With regards to the negatives regarding Apartheid there was NOTHING good about it but don't take away from all the things they were doing right as opposed to the ANC government!!
I love the idea of 'inhlawulo' when a crime has been committed against you. This will serve as a deterrent and also will somewhat assist the aggrieved with the healing process.
I enjoyed listening to you brothers. Ike is really making sense to me in this podcast. I think Ike is a relaxed interviewee. When he came with Rutendo. It was a problem. Rutendo took over the debate. I only realized it, he is a very intelligent South African.
People have a skewed view of the political climate of SA. Why do these people care so much about race. Zuma didn't care about race when he stole billions from all of us, malema didn't care about race when he did 1 of the 1000 shady things he did. these people don't care about race as much as you, their foot soldiers. all they want is money, power and comfort and they will do anything to get it. Cyril doesn't care about race or corruption, he cares about winning another term, all those ministers don't care about race, they care about their bribe money. They make you care about race so that you fight with each other and ignore them stealing your wallet
As an Afrikaaner. I love this platform
Thank u
So jy is lief vir die Godslastering en ongeloof?
VOTE OUT THIS STEALING ANC AND EFF. WE GET OUR FREEDOM AT LAST FOREIGNERS MUST BE KICKED OUT
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@@coatknight goeie hene.
@coatknight Do you just latch onto one thing and miss all the other points being put across? If you're such a Christian why are you so quick to judge PieterCoetzee? I'm a Christian too and the Bible gives me the right to call you out on your sin if I'm without said sin! You should check yourself before you reck yourself! Oh and by the way, I love this platform too because it's informative! You going to judge me next? We're meant to be fishers of men, some you catch and they accept Christ! Others you catch and they deny Christ in which case you let them go unless God compels you with a calling to bring the word to that person, whether that person be traditional or an atheist!!
There are countless black intelligent people worthy of leadership. Problem is that they are not in government. Love your podcasts Pen.
Are they really intelligent if they allow the stupid black to given them. Surely if those blacks are intelligent they would NOT allow the dumb blacks to govern. Greed is the problem with the blacks in this country.
This is so accurate man....and you can't help but wonder how??? There needs to be a huge shift in the world.
Indeed, you are right! No smart person (black or otherwse) with skills and amibitons goes into government in SA. Government is where people with no other options and positive qualities aside from political connections go.
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What an absolute boss Ike Khumalo is. All he speaks is sense. I have nothing but the utmost respect for him.
You really think so? He said apartheid was good such as the colonizers brought art. What the hell does white people know about art. He is an uneducated fool. When black people was building PYRAMIDS everyone else was living in caves.
He is fair-minded and brilliant.
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So true! He talks sense.
This man speaks truth that hasn't been heard since 1994. He's rational, intelligent and real. I could listen to him for hours.
Brave speaking like listening to you👍
The best thing is that he is not afraid to speak truth to power and we need these kind of people in this Country but unfortunately there are very few of these people
I agree with all three opinions shared and I'm in agreement, I could listen as well to Adv Khumalo for hours! I find him to be a very interesting, knowledgeable man and I'm in awe of him!! 💪💥🇿🇦🙏❤️
The one problem I have with this interview is that it ended. Please bring Ike back.
one of the best, honest interviews I've heard in ages. Ike says it as it is!!!!
I love this advocate. He's always sober minded. ❤
Wow, what a blessing to listen to a sane, confident black man
Dink jy regtig dis 'n seëning om na godslaterers (55min) en kommuniste (1h15) te luister?
I'am a white South African borne in 1976. I'am so glad you guys are speaking intelligently and bringing forth this information, the youth needs to hear this !. There were white South Africans who fought against the old government but they were silenced very quickly and they were watched if there was too much sympathy... my family moved away from the city to a sugar cane plantation to get away from all the injustice and propaganda there were no farmers being murdered we all lived happily without animosity I was always the only white face amongst everyone. My fondest memories as a child was living there. The first time I experienced racism was when we moved to the suburbs, what a shock it was for me ! I use to get into heated situations at school I was called A Kaffer Lover , it was terrible. Keep up with your journey and spread the truth.....
I'm 15 years old & I understand very well that back in the days even now , you can find white south Africans even white foregiens who have pure heart and who stand against racism and other staffs that keeps on depressing a black men . Adding on what you're saying , yes as a youth some of us understands that not all White are racist there are whites who just have pure heart but please try to view from our side , and from a side of someone who's educated if I may say . Obviously the statements will always say “ white people are racists, white people took our land ” because it's the majority of white people who did that and we end up generalising and saying all white people are not good and some of us grow up with that thing of generalising and end up hateing all people who are white and I don't blame my people ( blacks) .
Exactly. There were many whites who did not agree with Apartheid. Personally the only people who helped me as a divorced Mum of two toddler Swiss sons in Durban from 1989 - 1992 were one coloured friend & several whites. It is so shameful what is going on in South Africa. This demonic playing of the Blame Game.
That plantation that was situated in stolen land.
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your story reminds me of a book I read called Pig. It was a good book too
Very interesting conversation. Ike should run for office in SA. 👍🇨🇦
That's exactly what I'm yearning, i call him laaitie e slim blind yase Kasi, to those who don't understand the lingo, i simply says, an intelligent young man from the ghettos (location) mark my words the likes of Adv Ike Khumalo, are the people who suppose to be in our Gvnment we need simple people like Dr Aron Motsoaledi, Bonang Mogale, Adv Dali Mpofu, Dr Nkosasana Dlamini Zuma, Dr Naledi Phando, Former Judge Mogoeng Mogoeng, and this guy who has just exposed ANC Leadership wanted 500m of UIF money that's a very honest guy, and God fearing, these are the key people who are totally not INSATIABLE not these greedy corrupt thieves in the ANC, i mean we tired of being silence especially being in the know of what is transpiring in our country. We've got good law abiding citizens in some political parties across the board, Africans and Whites who can't steal even a needle, but they are aloof scared to be killed, How i wish that one day we could have the same spirit of 1976, we stand up ones and say ENOUGH IS ENOUGH, We are no longer going to take it, allowing ourselves to be led by Morons who knows nothing about the Gvnment except good English, abo bari nje na noma oba bekile gu ma TV muntu wa khona athi oya khuluma oya ukhuthi lento e bari bari bari, a real JIM COMES TO JOBURG, sis man this is very disgusting, I'm now over 70 years of age, but i can see Ike and the rest of the guys highlighted above right in me, what he talks about hatred among your own people that's what I've been going through during the Apartheid regime, and Mangope came same even worse, now in the so-called new Gvnment, albeit having in the beginning tried to better most Africans Lives here and there also mine of course, but as we speak the way corruption and crime is so rampant and the prevailing Lawlessness even in the respectable house of Chieves here in Hammanskraal, everything good that was done in the early 90's and during Bophutatswana has been completely eradicated, BABELEGI INDUSTRIAL VANDALIZED everything everywhere is just falling apart, and when you speak you are threatened with death, Kgoshi himself would stand in a meeting and says, somebody will get lost (ketlomo timetsa) and no one will utter a word, I'll be the only one reprimanding him, and a hall with elderly Men and Women will be dead quiet, no support at all, here I'm talking about Africans only no White man in our communities, but u'll find your own people being the ones who hates you so much that they'll never greet you anymore, instead u'll receive phone calls threats, AFRICANS PLEASE I BEG YOU ALL LET'S REPENT AND LEARN TO TELL THE TRUTH AS IT IS, AND CALL A SPADE A SPADE, BEING SYCOPHANTIC LIKE WE WANT TO HAVE A SHARE OF CORRUPTION OUR LEADERSHIP ARE INVOLVED IN, IS NOT GOING TO MAKE US A BETTER PEOPLE, BUT A CORRUPT NATION WHICH IS A VERY ATROCIOUS LEGACY FOR THE GENERATION TO COME. PLEASE PEOPLE REPENT, WE ARE LIVING IN THE TIME OF THE END, JESUS IS COMING VERY SOON, BELIEVE IT OR NOT, HE IS COMING.
yes, he should run for some office. but he put himself down when asked with the "OLD" thing. With age comes wisdom, usually. Anyway, it's not about your age as much as with your health.
Ike is correct, the new generation cannot compare. I am a senior citizen and lived in both systems. The tender system is littered with corruption. I was shocked when my son told me that the bus driver was telling my son was apartheid was better the current ANC government. There was order, when you go to Bara Hospital, you would get the best service. Greed has taken over, our leadership is only looking out for themselves and our clothing industrial has been decimated. China has killed our clothing industries hence unemployment increased. Mr Maponya had started the first car dealership during apartheid. Dr. Montlana with the committee of 10 started this group and who formed a business forum then. Our people owned, hardwares, butcheries, shops and many other industries. The Comrades came in and made sure that no one other than them get tenders, they were not open to the public. Only they got the tenders. I remember a family member trying for a tender, and he was blatantly told that you must belong to a branch.
It's so true, our roads in villages were perfect with no potholes there were yellow trucks who were maintaining those roads with gravel making is smooth, now those roads are becoming rivers and banks ..... apartheid gave us jobs where we were but now everyone is migrating to big cities leaving our schools closed and being vulnerable to hooligans who vandalising them.
Ike is the embodiment of an independent uncaptured thinker, I truly appreciate his unique perspective on various issues.
Thanks for coming back to the show Mntungwa.
Keep up the great work Pen and team.
How refreshing to hear someone cutting through the BS, and speaking the truth about everything that has gone wrong in this country.
The ANC has failed every person of color in South Africa.
Greatly admire these two brothers and what they have to say.
Great stuff.
I like to meet this guy I'm In Newcastle if i can get his contact please help me
i have never heard someone with this kind of insight and passion...he really loves South Africa
IKE is a pearl of wisdom. Love his honesty.🥳🙌🙌🙌🥳
Be careful, only the wise recognize the wise. If your not one of them, you might as well be following a fool off a ciff. So be careful what you say.
@@melon9680 Has my comment offended you❓️
Love this!!! remove the emotions and face the facts.
I applaud Black pen move from the race card to value based perspective and worldview.
Mxm that will never work 🙄
what does MXM mean?
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What a candid and refreshing discourse, this platform needs to be made compulsory for all South Africans to view. It brings hope, especially in these bleak times with the 2024 elections around the corner!
Ok Penuel you've convinced me, i'm subscribing. I want to consume these kinds of conversations that call for black representation in the economy and the advancement of black people in general. Not complaining about apartheid but rather pushing our young people to make this part of the world better for other black people not just for their families.
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Yes and Bravo!!!!!
Its starts by taking responsibility, then moving beyond the old ways, and then garnering respect through actions of innovation. So, you got a while to go, as too many of the majority cant follow law and regulation even, its fundamental to a productive society.
I like Advocate Ike Khumalo he is knowledgeable. Thanks Pen for bringing him back again 🙏🏾
I first saw this Ike guy on a debate on eNCA and would listen to him share his opinions every now and then on Power FM. This man has the country's best interests at heart although his approach to addressing the problems that plague the nation can be a bit rugged but that is what I appreciate him for, he calls a spade a spade and I believe the nation needs more people like him who will stand up for the nation and are unapologetic about putting South Africans and South Africa first.
This guy is very knowledgeable and insightful, imagen a South Africa with so many black insightful man and woman...
This man is not emotional but, objective very impressive indeed...wow
Love this Ike brother. I could listen to him all day. He speaks a lot of sense.
Adv Khumalo, we disappointed that a person like you should be in the public space and mislead masses that you have a problem with the private and bost that you never voted and you o not say why and when to vote!
Please get put on the public space urgently!
Believe on not, for the first time and I was impressed as all what you said I know about the past but not to Bost that you never voted!
Please remind your followers to vote for better thoughts.
Hey dudes…. I’m a white guy. I say good for you, this is constructive discussion that is very healthy and necessary in our country. Both of you are ambassadors of SA. Good luck going forward 👍
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Hey, there is hope for us. We must join hands all of us with our heads screwed on properly.
Ek hou van die de b
Het jy na die hele gesprek geluister?
56m So jy dink die Godslastering is konstruktief?
Ps 14:1
1h15 En soos hulle dink jy goed van Hitler, Mao en Stalin?
@@coatknightGet out of here!
Love Ike's way of thinking. Pity the likes of him are in the minority in South Africa.
Maybe you've just not exposed yourself enough to the people of this country
Doesnt help so many people are uneducated no thanx to the people they vote for. Had people actually listened to the warnings of others and voted out the ANC long ago and abolish radicals like EFF, wed have had a far more educated population, and debates like these, wouldnt even have existed to begin with, as there would have been no need.
@@hopebuhali3887 There are about 60 million people in SA. This country would not be the way it is if the majority of the 60 million people had the same thinking as Ike. Hence, Ike and others alike are in the minority. Not a difficult concept to understand.
@@ShaunJulies I disagree with you, that's very shallow and a short sighted analysis on South Africans. You should remember that with the 60 million South Africans, only 10% have the power to change the status in South Africa. There's so much inequality in SA to the point where you are literally voicless and powerless if you don't have enough wealth, power and influence to create change in the country. There's so many brilliant people in this country but are powerless to create any positive change simply because they poor and systemically intentionally excluded from creating any change.
Bra Ike is fortunate enough to be given a space to share his thoughts and ideas, unlike the millions of other South Africans who can't even access the internet that you take for granted and social media platforms to share their brilliant ideas and thoughts due to poverty and systemic inequality.
@@hopebuhali3887 Everyone in this country's vote counts. Not only 10% of the people. If a quarter of the 60 million people chose to vote differently then half of our problem's would be solved already. You cannot say only 10% have the power and influence to change things when it is actually the majority that has the power, but chooses to relenquish that power by putting the same people in power who have proven over and over again that they do not have South Africa's interests at heart.
Ike Kumalo is poking unfair South African judicial system. There's alot to dissect but he done fairly well. Great minds great interview❤
I like Mr Ike Khumalo man. He's wise.
😂😂😂Mgilija I don't think so
@@gxobinjasambemntungwa9694 OK to be honest, I wrote that before I watched the interview 😂
@@sabelonhleko7947 100% angibuboni ubuhlakani la, the guy for me he's not so clever I feel Lux is more clever than him that's why they got rid of him kwi dudula 😂😂angazi njalo for me saying ama Zulu Never won the battle shows that the guy doesn't believe ebantwini
Wise? That's a reach.
Ike for president. He's on point. I wonder what are the comrades saying about his comments 🤔. Lovely show this...
...the comrades cannot argue his points
People say I'm meditating, I'm living in my own world, I tell them that I'm not just on social media for stuff that doesn't teach me anything, I'm not on social media for nonsense, I'm not a musician to lead people to do nonsense, I tell em that me being nice to everyone doesn't mean I agree with everyone, I am for what I want, I subscribe to podcasts that gives me more knowledge on things that are being ignored by the majority, then you think I'm mad when I don't go with the flow. Thank you Pen for this bruh, we're blessed and we're learning because we want to.
This is the type of conversation South African men need to have as a unit no matter their tribe. He states that African men have a mental blockage to being organized and managing well. I see from South African men that their ego is the foundation of their existence. They do not want to ask for help to learn and make things better.
True respect to you Ike Khumulo, you are the best, you touched all topics with great insight. We need more honest people like you. ❤
Wow!! The honesty of the gentleman, I respect. Thank You for the interview.
This man is gifted with a bright mind. Wish he would be running for President.
"South Africa must budget for the whole Continent " 😮😮😮
True
this gentleman speaks a lot of senses and i do respect his honest points its time humanity open their minds its not a race issue but a human of perception of reality respect mr I Khumalo.
You're literally discussing the future South Africa going forward & solutions 🙏 thanks for educating a black child Magrrotman❤
Had you been listening more to minorities, you'd have known this 25 years back already. This is all old news. Congratulations for catching up.
Great line of questioning and shout out to bra Ike for always bringing the fire.
I haven't heard everything but I've already heard everything. Thank you Black Pen🙏, ngyaphakamisa kuwe Khumalo🙌
Brilliant guest. Outstanding interview. Penuel could be SA's own Joe Rogan in the making.
Id prefer Big Daddy Liberty. At least he's more humble.
@@melon9680Honest observation. Sihle is intelligent and unbiased.
This is one of the interviews I watched on repeat for TWO days!! Bab'Khumalo is our shining star for telling it as it is. This is the type of wisdom we need in our daily lives. The government of today if it were serious and a loving one would've recruited him to shape their flaws and rectify it.
Much love Mashobane!!!❤
It's a fact, in SA, if you don't have a 'tag' or 'celebrity' of some sort, no one takes you seriously even when you have development ideas. Love these conversations.
If SA was a person it would be drunk darkie
I have the utmost respect for Ike hd is honest and transparent.
Brilliant podcast! Well done Penuel and guest. Gives me hope in the future of our beloved South Africa..
Thanks for this interview. Ike has impressed , and unfortunately people like him are not hungry for power. We need a different system of leadership in this country driven by a new electoral systems.
To steal one of Mr Khumalo’ phrases “ If you have the light let it shine on others” . Let’s hope his light keeps on shining and all hear his message - self confidence and self belief is super important. What a well balanced and smart man who definitely is not waiting for anyone to do things for him . 👍
It's actually not his phrase to begin with, rather it's a phrase of the Jesus that Ike claims never existed. It's found in Matthew 5:16. Don't you find it interesting that a men who claims Jesus never existed finds nothing wrong with quoting him? How about him talking about Moses, David and Solomon in the same conversation where he denied the existence of Jesus? And he claims Paul and Jesus who lived at least a thousand years after David and Moses, never existed? The men is completely confused and clearly has a spiritual void in his heart. Unfortunately, only Jesus can fill that vaccum. Wait, he does not believe in GOD nor his Son. I would not be worried about the ANC if I were him....
I am glad that you saying these things. Black people need to change our perception of the churches and religions. Thanks
I respect IKE KHUMALO when he speaks i always listen this man is heart broken by the ANC and all what he says always is true this country cant be border less and we never enjoy our freedom.
Fantastic talk! I agree, a shared culture or set of values would greatly benefit this country
If South Africa was a person it would be a drunk person - Advocate Ike😂😂😂
Reminds me of when Prof JJ would allow Bra Ike to educate us on Power FM for a few minutes. The real people's Advocate. Kleva wa nnete.
Bra Ike is pregnant with Thoughts and Wisdom, I like how he delivers to Us midwives so that we handle with care and treasure it and pass it to the coming generations. We appreciate him ❤👌
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Love your poetic comment
@@rkaccountants Thank you. I appreciate💌
Khumalo is brilliant 🔥❤️
You are a man of substance adv Khumalo .I as a white man lived through the 70s 80s 90s till now .Dispised the NP .We had a short period during Mr Mandelas reign of hope and prosperity in our land .If only we could have Mr MandeIa for another 5 years, I look at SA and feel like a total stranger .Then a man like you speak the truth and I get hope for our beautiful SA .Black people are also getting tired and frustrated with our dire situation .I believe that our change and future are in the hands of the brave black men and women that is not scared to say it as it is .I thank you from the bottom of my heart for your true words .God Bless SA our beloved country and all its people .
I lost Mr Ike when he got banned (for a lack of a better word) on 702 Talk Radio. But that helped me a lot because I started view main stream media with a sober mind, and I noticed I was captured for so long. Thanks to their disagreement with Aubrey, it woken me up from the slumber. Thanks Penn for inviting the guy, he's gem.
I'm glad you woke up Sandile. The entire democracy system is a big fraud created to benefit parasitic elites. It will never benefit the marginalised in particular Africans.
Truth is, how can you be truly free if all your ever doing is listening to people who tell you what to think. If you want freedom of thought, you need to start reading books, and then challenging the ideas of these very people.
Every man takes the limits of his own field of vision for the limits of the world.
I agree with Bra Ike, Pen is quite amazing at this. I watch all these SA podcasts and even overseas ones, Pen is one of the best in the world. I think the person who was comparing to MacG is not a consumer of podcasting because Pen is an intellect and the other one is just for entertainment and gossip.
I think he get lot of gaslighting not from his ability to engage/debate/handling interview/questioning/some of his ideologies,, he is a descent solid guy but he often get caught in cultural wars sometimes as he's inclined to throw himself into it but i guess its a nature of being so called influencers/celebrities u have to always try to remain on top of things at all cost. I do like him but I also understand why he get some punches as well, and i think he also does understand it as well.
Mac G is amazing at what he does, and has proven that he can also hold educational episodes... along with being a master of the entertaining ones. He's currently the leader in SA podcasting... even though we do different "genres" of content.
Absolutely Pen you give us different genres.
@@godpenuelyou try very hard to pretend you're not a MacG hater yet you once tried to compete by dropping on Thursdays at 3PM. That's why MacG doesn't reconcile with you - he can see through your fake BS.
@@godpenuel how do you feel about Malema using you to score some cheap political points?
This is the BEST that I have listened to since 1994! Penuel you are a excellent interviewer and Adv Ike you are a visionary and we need many more like you 🙏👍
Always good conversations with Bra Ike 🤴🏿
Thank you my Kings this is African we need.
This the best brilliant interview, refreshing. This made my day.
I too feel the same, being an Indian listening to Ike was soo refreshing, we definitely need more human kind like him. He's not stirring any division. That's what God wants from us. Our skin color should not be a factor we are all one, divine souls put on earth to connect as one. Love peace to all brothers and sisters. ❤
Excellent program. You guys are like "a breath of fresh air" Thank you
i really enjoyed this interview, ike is open minded and talks so much truth, indeed black people do need darkness to see the light..
Hope you all had a great weekend. Winter is slowly saying goodbye and Southern Africa will be celebrating it's new year soon in September. Enjoy the episode... love you ❤️✌🏾✊🏽
I blame Penuel for now making me want to buy a book written by Dan Brown
I stopped listening at the 08:00 mark. This guy is not very smart. If he would have said that the governments during apartheid were more competent than the ANC, that could be an interesting argument (the governments during apartheid never had the challenge of integrating the majority of the population, that had been held back).
Saying that apartheid was legal is a non-statement. Anything put into law is legal. There are countries where you can murder homosexuals by law, therefore it is legal. But it is clear, that it should not be.
Asking how black people suffered during apartheid means that he isn't very good at comparative analyses.
If black people would have had an equal say for decades, would have been allowed to purchase the good land, if there had never been townships and all races would have lived together, if blacks would have received better education for all those decades. That is what you should be comparing.
@GodPenuel...Wow!
These are two intelligent men discussing serious issues from a perspective that many people don't realize. But i feel somehow pen is still bitter about the Julius issue and i won't be surprised if this is a paid campaign. As much as i don't agree with Julius on certain things, he really brings value to the life of a black man. Unlike pen, Julius didn't lose hope in a black man, he acknowledges a black man still has a lot to learn and must learn in a decolonized education system manner. Julius doesn't fight SA affairs only but his dream is for all african people. If you want to discuss Julius Mr Pen, first agree with him where he impart knowledge and wokeness of black people, then, positively criticize him. Not this non sense agenda you are pushing right now
@@smallitosmall8180 We shot this episode a few months ago, so unfortunately your theory is unfounded.
Very True Sir Ike,pre 94,was better off than,this current managers of our country,we have developed a selfish persona as a black man,look how the poor gets more poorer,and politicians and friends are prospering.
This man Nkos’ yam!!! I learned a lot of history listening to him. Very relaxed when he’s interviewed and speaks his mind. We need to be stay focused or we gonna be a lost generation.
I was listening to this while working, and was propperly distracted. It was a great interview........ the political, cultural and behavioural aspects of it in particular.
Very refreshing and insightfull. The kind of message that needs to be heard by millions of people who only get exposed to the BS ANC and EFF rhetoric and brain washing.
You are right, none if us have the government me want or need.....please, plead with people to go and vote, if they are not going to vote for the ANC, they must vote for any other party they feel would do a better job. I dont understand the loyalty people have towards the ANC after what they have done to this country, to us all.
Good one thanks.
Yep please 🙏🙏🙏🙏 Bring him back as often as possible its gonna be a long Great path for sentimental value and conversations
This guy is hitting the nail on the head.
Great Chat, Pen. I really like Ike, and the way that he speaks about what is needed. We need hard men, and hard people, like himself not everyone can do amapiano! Keep it up!
Thanks penuel for bringing back Ike , great conversation indeed. Thanks for bringing these discussions. I agree with Bra Ike in many points he articulated.
One of the best conversations you’ve had Pen. Well done.
the truth can be offensive ,but its the truth in the end ,thanks guys
I agree with almost 85% if the things Ike Khumalo believes in.
As a black person I needed this conversation
Ike is spot on in particular with the broederbond
Afrikaners came with a brilliant idea at Kensington by initiating this secret society
As if we were not to divisive we were supposed to copy the same thing
Hi Pen, hats off to your and your guest because i finally hear some of my beliefs echoing in this conversation.
My Brother as a South African, I am proud of the production quality, keep going.
Respect to Ike Khumalo for speaking truth ❤Ike please get into politics
These are conversations I subscribed for, thanks Pen ❤️
What South Africa and South Africans need is an identity. Not a race, religion nor ethnic commonality will help us fight for the same thing as a collective. We need an identity and a catalyst for that identity should be base on poverty eradication. This however, is not to be achieved politically but socially instead.
This man talks so much sense.. and says it like it is...Pen ..good on you for having people like him on your show..keep it going man
I deeply admire Penuel and Ike as both follow their work , particularly when it comes to discussions about religion. As a fellow Christian, I truly believe in the importance of being critical and seeking knowledge. History serves as a valuable tool to affirm the foundations and origins of Christianity, as the evidence is abundant. It is crucial to critically examine the teachings of Christianity to deepen our understanding and grow in our faith.
This episode was filmed a few months ago. Just for context 🙏🏽
Makes sense seeing your famous adidas sneakers.
@@mambamzwandile202 old ones
It was yet another bomb🎉🎉🎉siyabonga Lungelo❤
Integrity is everything. And Advocate Ike Khumalo speaks truth, it’s this truth that will set us free. We are not robots, we are people who can think, we can make a contribution and he is making that contribution freely. We must encourage each other to reach that level of engagement.
Mr Khumalo you are Amazing! I have great respect for you you are so knowledgable and can do so nuch for our beautiful country. God bless you and Please continue to carry on with you are doing to bring change to this wonderful country❤
Mr Khumalo go on with the good work we support you thank You yhoo uvela phi umuntu onje tell them it's high time now our children are Amaphara because of this corrupt government
I appreciate Ike's thorough analysis of the different presidents of South Africa during the democratic era and their respective accomplishments or failures. However, it is crucial to approach the era of apartheid with a clear and comprehensive context. While it is true that there were some positive aspects, it is important to recognize that the primary issue with apartheid was its focus on benefiting the minority population while perpetuating discrimination against the majority. Therefore, it is vital to consider both the positive and negative aspects of this era in order to fully understand its complexities.
That's true bro, and also for it to be successful is because those infrastructures were built by black slaves.
Not true
@@francoiswilliams Whats not true ??
@@KaraboMasemola6408 You didn't listen to what he said about apartheid...it was better than ANC democracy 😆😆
@karabomasemola6408 You're stating the obvious within your response with regards to South Africa's history! We are all familiar with the history! 🙄🙄🙄 Meaning that in your response you're going back and forth, not actually being opinionated on the topic at hand with the points being put across in the interview! Adv Khumalo was comprehensive and crystal clear in his view points but you weren't paying attention or maybe just listening with half an ear. As for you downplaying and saying "there were some positive aspects" regarding the old government, I think the only reason you put it like that was to fit your own narrative! There weren't "some" positive aspects to the old government but many, too many for me to explain to you and waste my time in doing so and please don't take my words out of context. With regards to the negatives regarding Apartheid there was NOTHING good about it but don't take away from all the things they were doing right as opposed to the ANC government!!
Now this is a healthy mind this guy should run for president I will vote for him
What a BRAVE MAN...I SALUTE HIM....FOR SPEAKING THE TRUTH....MAY GOD BLESS HIM...
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I love the idea of 'inhlawulo' when a crime has been committed against you. This will serve as a deterrent and also will somewhat assist the aggrieved with the healing process.
Fantastic relevant information…. black people NEED to hear the truth coming from educated black people.
Thank you for the interview. I never knew the guy. I will start to follow him. Revelation!!! What a revalidation!!
I just subscribed. I’am American African. I love your show very interesting.
Becoming a regular guest will be great
Mr Penuel please keep up the good job you are doing we see you. Some of us gets motivated from all your teachings.
South Africa need patriotic leaders.
Adv Ike Khumalo.
Very Brilliant This Guy🙌
I enjoyed listening to you brothers. Ike is really making sense to me in this podcast. I think Ike is a relaxed interviewee. When he came with Rutendo. It was a problem. Rutendo took over the debate. I only realized it, he is a very intelligent South African.
People have a skewed view of the political climate of SA. Why do these people care so much about race. Zuma didn't care about race when he stole billions from all of us, malema didn't care about race when he did 1 of the 1000 shady things he did. these people don't care about race as much as you, their foot soldiers. all they want is money, power and comfort and they will do anything to get it. Cyril doesn't care about race or corruption, he cares about winning another term, all those ministers don't care about race, they care about their bribe money. They make you care about race so that you fight with each other and ignore them stealing your wallet
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At least we still have people like him.
but nothing ever changes! So there's no difference!
Ike is an intelligent guy
Only to fools 😅
What a brilliant show.