Does Table Tennis Have a Match Fixing Problem?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 28 ก.ย. 2024
- Betting on table tennis is big business, but the so called 'pro' leagues that are available to gamble on are nothing like the professional table tennis fans are used. In this video I discuss the challenges posed by table tennis tournaments such as the Moscow Liga Pro, the SetKa Cup and the TT cup to the integrity of the sport as a whole.
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Price-fixing aside, I have to admire the stellar professionalism in the presentation of these matches, right down to the matching of ITTF/WTT side-on cam views. Sheer class all the way. With more improvements I hope to see top-notch frame-doubling, slideshow framerates, cam-switch editing on service all the way to the latest innovation at Lagos games: a single monologuing commentator who knows nothing whatsoever about the sport (there's nothing more refreshing than an outsider-perspective) and is able to read from a clipboard sheet of fascinating statistics, such as the complete match scores of each game Dimitri Ovtcharov played over the past year.
I've very much enjoyed reading this comment. Quality stuff!
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One correction though: 'price-fixing' --> "match-fixing"
@@-danRit didn't detract 😂
The people who bet on table tennis probably don't even play table tennis lol. They're only there for the money.
Yeah, that is definitely the impression I get. The articles about it being popular during COVID usually feature people betting on table tennis who have never played it. It's a bizarre world
@@TableTenniswithAshi play it to a high standard and know everything about this one league now and can make a lot of money easily on it, the issue is the access getting accounts not getting money locked in accounts etc
It doesnt even matter how much you know about ping pong . They will fix the game whatever you place . It s not relevant . I dont wanna start now saying everything I know and seen in this TT low class tournaments. Very long story
Also why do you think this guys play non-stop every single hour . Even on Christmas eve or New year Eve there are players designated to play . Obviously this is not only for fun or testing skills , it s a money making scheme. There is a Guy on TH-cam Who show exactly how some referees of this tournaments are basically watching live odds during games. The player Who have the most money stacked on him shall lose the game . It s simple
For me the most fixed are :
1.TT CUP, Setka cup (ukraine)
2. TT elite series (poland)
3. Moscow liga pro& Czech liga pro
Guilty, but I’ve played it when I was a kid for fun against my brother. Dad had a ping pong table and played during his years as a marine in the mid to late 70s in Fallbrook and Oceanside, Camp Pendleton etc… After recently developing an addiction to betting on Table Tennis, I really have a desire to now actually learn how to play( for fun most likely) I don’t think I would be a great candidate at 36 yrs old and battling cancer to make any amateur competitions but the sky is the limit
Very deep reflexion, my friend. Really good video. Greetings from Rio de Janeiro, Brazil.
@@flaviosouza4449 thank you!
I mostly trade in Czech liga pro I see stats before placing trade but good information
Those liga "pro" guys are not licensed under tt federations and dont competee in federations tournaments, so u cant realy ban them from competition
It's bit of a wild west. These leagues aren't necessarily all bad as it has been a way for players to earn money legitimately but there is very little oversight it seems
Great , great article ! 👏 👏
How shocking! Were any of the matches shown fixed, well I bet they were, (no pun intended).
I'm a former recreational player in my mid-sixties - and not in the best of health. Yet, having watched the video, I reckon that given a couple weeks of practice, I could beat some of the 'elite' players on display.
There can be no other reason as to why such poor quality matches are 'streamed', other than to facilitate the betting market, and in this respect, anyone stupid enough to bet on such matches is a fool unto himself.
It's hard to know which games are specifically fixed so I don't know if the ones I have shown are. But it definitely goes on a lot in these leagues. The Adam Green case in Australia confirmed this.
Haha, I think a lot of people would fancy their chances to win some Moscow Liga Pro matches, even older than your good self!
Great video this. I hope other table tennis channels share this.
@@nigelhart3897 thank you!
The most rigged sport in any sport. 1v1, keeps it simple, simple is the nature of the sport too, hell I used to play locally and was decent. It isnt the same to rig an 11v11 football match as it is to rig a 1v1 hitting a small ball around. Fonbet supports it all, has a 1k bet limit. Fonbet is Russian. 😂
This was definitely an eye-opener for me. I never bet on anything. I love table tennis and am an amateur player, but I had no idea about these "leagues". I lived in Ukraine for a couple of years - it was the most corrupt country I've ever seen, even more so than Russia. You're right though, these leagues look like they've been set up for the sole purposed of extracting money from gamblers.
Thanks for the comment. I would like to point out that whilst these leagues seem to have originated in Ukraine and Russia, I have seen copy cat set ups all over the world (USA, Spain, China)
@@TableTenniswithAsh Gambling is actually illegal in Russia, which is why they don't have any casinos. I think they made an exception for a region in the east, and this is because this particular region attracts Chinese tourists. Would be interesting to know how they caught that Aussie guy.
@@MnemonicCarrier that's interesting. So legal betting markets are monitored for irregular betting patterns so it is possible Adam Green was picked up on that. There are also huge illegal black market betting markets around the world which aren't so easily monitored. In another sport I follow, cricket, India has a big underground betting market.
It's already a morally bankrupt sport through and through, including the top players. Almost all players are deliberately serving illegally (shielding the ball on serve with head/shoulders), and boosting their bats. Either shielding serve and boosting bats should be made legal (as it used to be), or the rules should be enforced. It's disgusting that young players are brought up in an environment where the rules are openly flouted to huge advantage of the cheats, and they are allowed to get away with it. What sort of example does that set ? A very bad one.
The serving issue is certainly a major talking point right now. The players know they are serving illegally but there is very little enforcement. Why wouldn't you serve illegally if no one is going to call you out on it? With prize money, ranking points and a career at stake, I'd probably do the same
@@TableTenniswithAsh sickening to know that you are happy to break rules for personal gain if you are going to get away with it.
@@johangamb I think players feel they have to currently, not because they think it's right. Just to be clear, I serve legally when I play in my local league because amateur leagues are built on fair play, and there is no-one career at stake. All I'm saying is that the pressures are different when you are a professional. The players need the help of officials and umpires to know that their opponent will be called out if they serve illegally. Otherwise it's not a level playing field.
They sell the picks
I have witnessed match fixing at the elite level. The ugly practice has actually started affecting the elite sport
That is not good to hear. Table tennis is more vulnerable than most sports
@@TableTenniswithAsh what is happening now is players who are ranked above their opponents in some WTT qualifies bet against themselves to loose. Thus when i play you and i am slightly ranked than you i will bet against myself and lose the match. The reward would be greater because the underdog has won.
@@GhanaTableTennis I see. I guess the return from the bet will be much higher than the prize money, which is pretty small at many events
@@TableTenniswithAsh that is reason they do it. The winning price money for some WTT challenge is 5,000.00 usd. A well placed bet could earn a player more than that.
setka cup is the hq of the match-fixing :D dont spend even 1 dollar on those fakers
you can see some players lose the set over when he was winning on 10-2 or 8-1 i’ve seen this so many times on setka cup
@@yunusemreyilmaz8602 it's hilarious to watch, but also a little troubling that mainstream gambling websites endorse it
I saw the total prize money of the top pros this morning, wasn't that much compared to other sports. When you have professional events but little reward then there is definitely the opportunity for match fixing. The equivalent ranked pro in tennis is probably earning 10x on what a TT player earns. Throw one game for a chunk of your year's salary and it could be seen as attractive
I saw that too! The ITTF needs to be vigilant and really look after the players. At WTT feeder events, prize money is sometimes $610 for the winner and $100 for reaching the round of 16.
Feeder is a place where young players on full tt fed payroll are getting international exp. It was not supposed to pay the bills, as far as I rememenber
Cheaters are disgusting 🤮
It’s 100,000,000 percent rigged
Table tennis has an illegal serves problem😂
@@danielnicholson4660 ooooh that is a hot topic, a topic for a future video perhaps 😄
@@TableTenniswithAsh I look forward to it, got a lot of opinions on it myself 😂
Great video thanks for going into this. When sports betting became legal in my state, I downloaded an app to have a snoop around and found table tennis as one of the available sports. Just as I was about to empty out my life savings and place it all on fan zhendong winning the WTTC, I realized it was whatever this is.
@@el_nalgon thank you for the comment. That's pretty much how I stumbled on this too
Bigger problem, these " bet leagues" are played for hours during night , and they are taking away players from clubs due to lack of ( their) time. Cheers
@@NoTengoIlusiones that is very true as well!
My first time finding out about this i lost like $600 then turned mt last 250 ish dollars to like 13k in one night live betting on table tennis. I got lucky and quit - i still bet with $10 here n there, but they took out the main bet i did winning 13k which was betting on even/odd points and even was almost always hitting
@@kennethrodriguez8895 very interesting and a nice win! Did you have any other strategy like any knowledge of the players?
@TableTenniswithAsh I didn't know a thing didn't even watch the lives just got lucky for like 8 hours straight was up til 6am just so lucky I couldn't even believe it
@@kennethrodriguez8895 haha sounds like a fun night!
in which table tennis league you pleases bet please answer 🙏
I think these leagues have been set up for the express purpose of ripping people off. Seems these have been setup by the bookies themselves. Also, Look at the 2024 ITTF World Cup. If that wasn't rigged for Ma Long to win i am a bad judge. He beats WCQ 4-0, (because apparaently he changed his serve), in the semi final. And then comes back from 0 - 3 and 1 - 5 down in the final to that choker. I am convinced it was RIGGED. Ma Long hasn't done anything for years. Funnily enough, he's done nothing since. Disgraceful fraud that was.
These leagues are clearly big business as new ones seem to pop up all the time.
I couldn't speak to the World Cup but if there was match fixing there, what would be the purpose? That wouldn't be for betting I guess?
@@TableTenniswithAsh No. It's throwing Ma Long a final crumb. It was in China after all. And probably thinking about it, maybe it was betting also. Absolute rort. As for those 'leagues' Looks like they rent a storage unit, put signs on the walls, add a table, and viola! We have a 'league'. I could beat those blokes. I am rated at about 1000, but I have beaten plenty above me. And as for bet fixing it's easy. They take the bets, look at the ledger, they will lose on Player A, so during the first game, a call comes through. "player B to win.....or else."
You can possibly say with some confidence that Match fixing doesnt occur in proper ITTF events. But what about Spot fixing. It occurs in Cricket at the highest level, several Players from Pakistan were jailed for it , if memory serves me right. For those who dont know, Spot fixing is where a Player intentionally makes an error or breaks a rule..an example would be a double Net on serve in TT. Millions could be bet on that.
@@Chitapool-cr2ii It's interesting you bring up cricket. I follow cricket quite closely and match fixing has been a major issue in it, like you say with spot fixing. In general, it appears that you can only bet on the outcome of individual games and matches rather than things like serves on the legal betting markets but I don't what you can bet on in the illegal markets. It would be interesting to know what you can bet on there.