It’s my 1st time hearing about Prof Madlingozi. It’s a breath of fresh air to hear about the unfinished freedom because there was and still there is no economic redress. It’s like there is this unreasonable expectation that all is well whilst it’s not.
I'm using your gentleman's wisdom in my Social Justice Assignment as we speak. Prof Madlingozi is renowned in many subjects across Law. I'm glad SMWX was able to bring you on the Show. It's undoubtedly true that the remance of Apartheid is still plaguing both Namibia 🇳🇦 and South Africa 🇿🇦. Serious measures of Redress are way overdue . Black Consciousness RIP Biko...
Always great to experience Prof's great mind. He is really such a breath of fresh air and always honored to have been his student and engaged with his legal shebeen and other forums he has founded to encourage dialogue. Please also invite Prof Joel Modiri.
This man tought me jurisprudence in first year and law and the community as an elective final year at the university of Pretoria. His writings about race relations and general organizational politics in South Africa have shaped my perspective of world politics and continue to be a guiding tool in navigating life as an African in post-Apartheid South Africa.
I was also in his jurisprudence class in my 1st year at UP. He really made me to start thinking critically about certain dynamics in our country and how we still have so far to go to achieve true redress and justice.
I knew of Prof Madlingozi when I was a first year in the topic of Critical Post Apartheid Jurisprudence. Thank you so much Dr Sizwe for this interview.
@@alanyoung-pugh832 From cover to cover, it does not even contain the word apartheid. Some of us don't care much about it. We vote for people who are determined to change it.
@@biko8229 Looking in rear view mirror to drive forward? The rear view mirror only helps if you want drive backwards which is what the ANC has done for 30 years, destroying everything in the process. Anyway changing words in the constitution isn’t going to make the leaders more competent and less corrupt. That’s the problem and words on paper will not change that. Read the preamble to the constitution. We would be the safest most just country in the world.
I will never miss an opportunity to listen to this man speak. As a former student of his, I can confirm that every lecture of his was as impactful as this ❤
Every time I listen to these interviews, I notice a very apparent generational distinction. Generation X had aspirations that were bigger than themselves, while we, Generation Z, tend to individualize everything.
I watched this interview in between my lectures. Tshepo is evidence of how our upbringing and environment affects how we view, behave and move in & around the world. I'm inspired by his journey, as someone studying towards being a human rights advocate- this was truly a well needed conversation.❤
Prof T Mandlingozi speaks with so much intellectual depth, clarity and deep conviction about justice . He is such a great intellectual and teacher . He is able to transition from theory to practice giving practical illustration of the law and justice .
Despite the despair on where the country is and the direction she's taking, yet listening to such minds, it's a breath of fresh air, a little hope for the future. Let there be many of his calibre, who not only think ideas and dreams but put into practice these ideas for the sake of black souls. Thumbs up Prof Mandlingozi👌
What is the issues effecting South Africans today.The major issues which should be urgently addressed us crime and the crimes of extortion,collapse of service delivery, collapse of water and sanitation services, mediocre education and health services.If we focus on these things.We will see meaningful changes in the lives ot our citizens.
@@vicmabiya5884 Can you have social justice without a capable state.Every single country that was colonized that later developed Singapore, Indonesia all of these countries have one thing in common a highly capable state with a very disciplined citizenship.Do we have anny of these things in place in South Africa.Maybe we do not need a capable state or en effective citizenship.Black people are killing black people for taxi routes,they are extorting black schools and churches .If you are a business owner in Langa or Gugs and you flourish chances are you will die.In no other African country on is this African continent is this phenomena prevalent.People are poor but black people are not extorting or killing each other because the one flourishes.We as a country must solve the immediate issue of the killings ,the hits,the rapes in rural areas.These conversations we are having amongst each other as the middle class trough commentators like Size and JJ is quite meaningless.How does these conversations change the lives of the ones being killed , raped and extorted. I am a land beneficiary in terms of the government land reform programme .Our land is laying unused and so is all the land in our cluster.What has practically changed my life is the NSFAS loan I got from government and a critical medical operation I got from a government state hospital when it was still functional.Govermnets health and educational intervention changed and saved my life. Today , I am a business owner in the Renewable Energy space ,thanks to government investment in the initial stages of my life. We need to focus on the basics.
This was indeed a great and intellectually stimulating discussion especially the intersection between law and politics. We need to have an in-depth discussion on those two subjects and how they interrelate and influence society.
I truly feel sorry for this brother. Obviously, he was very traumatized by apartheid like so many of us. But he didn't let it get him down he studied and look at him today. I'm very proud cause i know the system he was part of didn't want him to succeed. I understand his view was formed by the trauma that apartheid caused. But that very same trauma blinds him to the reality of the day. On the one hand, he says we should never stop debating but then turn around to say i will never debate with someone who argues corruption. He rather points to a paper he wrote that was rejected by a white editor of what im guessing was a white newspaper. Luckily, this isn't a problem another black child will have to face. Thanks to the ANC, we have many options where papers can be sent on this topic that will publish it today amongst a lot of other good things like he pointed out. Now, coming back to not wanting to debate against corruption? Do we simply ignore it? After we now understand that politicians are willing to steal from poor gogos at vbs. People from all 3 our biggest black parties being involved. They even stole from the covid funds, money needed for our sick people. Even in our public hospitals, money is being used for skinny jeans. The truth is corruption is costing us A LOT more lives than racism and it's not caused by whites. Also, i dont agree that a lot of black people in the country would be scared to speak out against racism. Many cases i have seen so far have enjoyed overwhelming public support. What i would like to see is that even though they had some funding cuts, the black middle class that we now know is bigger than the white middle class will form something like afriform. Where they have lawyers on standby to challenge matter for their support base.if they can do it, so can we. Even Julius, he is always in court with a team of lawyers he should maybe offer their services aswell. Unfortunately, i dont think we will ever be able to get rid of racism, cause even in societies with only black people, they still discriminate against darker tones (another form of racism)The government has proven they cant solve this but i think its up to us as people to stand up and show we are not gonna accept it wherever form it raises its head.
There's a lot of blind spots in your post Thato. Firstly, to say corruption is costing us more than racism is ridiculous and irresponsible. It downplays the effects of this monster that we fave every single day which has kept our societies unequal and divided for decades. You can make your point about corruption without watering down racism. Also, it's not a fact that we have the more middle-class than white people. Think in terms of ratio. Black people comprise 80.2% of the population white people make up a missely 8.4%; yet they own 80% of the wealth in the country? How on earth do you then arrive at your statement? Obviously white people are still far richer than black people and their middle-class is a lot more than ours in terms of ratio. That doesn't mean that your point about creating an Afriforum look-alike is not valid though.
This is way beyond our current understanding as you can observe Africa's history and previous civilisations has been white washed blatant to give a view...how can you debate a narcissist who doesn't even recognise your ancestors
A document like the constitution that was written in the past cannot possibly remain 100% relevant as times change. A great parallel to look at is the United States, so many of their current issues are almost impossible to solve because their constitution was written over 200 years ago when society had very different challenges. But over time they have made 27 amendments, with the latest in 1992. I completely agree that it should be a living document and should be treated and viewed as such.
Shocking what has happened to this man’s family. Deep deep sense of injustice. These mines still carry out these acts of injustice, a lot goes unspoken.
@@Lets_Go_Carlitos LOL who said its Congo? Did you hear what the Khoi-San traditional leadership said at the MK rally held at Orlando Stadium just before the elections?
@@Lets_Go_Carlitos This is not Europe either, this is Africa , the land of the so called black people, you have your own land called Europe, you had no business to come and dispossess Africans in their God given continent. Before the wicked 1884 Berlin conference Africa was one land, no colonial borders ! I don't care about your tired argument about Congo , which the imperialists are busy plundering as we speak, we are African/ Alkebulan, we don't come from Europe like you.,and the Koi San, are African, they don't come from overseas, who did the settlers fight for land in the Cape,? Which Koi SANS did your settlers forefathers fight throughout all provinces, Zulu wars and Xhosa wars and all other Bantu Kings which were dispossessed of their lands?? We need our land back, buy it from whom? Did God sell it to you...
Great guest, Sizwe. All South Africans must read Tshepo's PhD dissertation (it's available online). It's a serious piece of work. We are waiting for a book on that PhD (no pressure : )
Madlingozi must replay this podcast and listen to it once he's left the HSRC. Otherwise for now his thoughts are just so contradictory and I think he's oblivious to this.
Had the privilege of being lectured by him and his experiencing his scholary master mind...so great to see his journey in HR commission. Black excellence 🎉
The citizens would accept slavery in the name of employment By the citizens I mean the masses The masses are sheep We can talk and talk but white people still outright own this country and until we let go of this idea that somehow we’ll achieve change peacefully nothing will change a revolution Would be bloody many will defend the status quo many find absolutely nothing wrong with the state of affairs for it works to their advantage. The biggest problem in our country isn’t the white elite it’s the black elite who align themselves
I've listened to this for two days to make sure l understand it. This is so deep, profound, and very sad. This truth is so silent by our government. GNU is a crime against black South African.
Prof forgive me for the harsh response on rewriting the Constitution. Considering your background you have achieved a great deal. There is still the land issue, and there is still inequality and racism in our society. You have addressed some of these issues. The human rights discourse is very important and we must continue to address inequality and racism. A personal story-my father was a forester, he insisted that we greet and speak to Africans with respect. This helped us.
Great episode! I enjoyed listening to the Prof.'s perfective. My only criticism would be that we do not talk about how our current governments' performance continue to perpetuate the effects of Aparthied 30 years on. Almost the majority of our country will not have experienced the direct affects of Aparthied but rather the perpetuated tide that has not met enough resistance. What would the tone of our discussion be if the State wielding so much POWER was able to deliver on the goverments primary mandate and all the Social programs we have already implemented? I would argue that the State has showcased through numerous programs and developments, the country's transformation and redistribution efforts. These programs included housing, education, social welfare, land, and many more. Eg. The RDP program that has been overwhelmed with corruption and poor service delivery was supposed to address the issue of lack of housing, land distribution and economic participation. But because these programs have failed to significantly change our society in the way it should have due to States ability to deliver them, Aparthied still takes centre stage as reason for our failures. I say this understanding that we cannot undo the effects of Aparthied in 30 years but we could of been much further.
Prof Tshepo Madlingozi is a brilliant legal scholar - thank you for this discussion. This was such an educational podcast - especially around the intersectionality between law and politics! Kindly consider having Prof Joel Modiri as a guest too.
@@thamseni We don't know😅 mostly and what we do know, other nations don't know, as our champ Dricus says🤣🤣🤣🤣All I know, is viva RSA, patriots unite!🇿🇦🇿🇦🇿🇦🇿🇦🇿🇦
At some point I stopped noticing that and indulge on his brilliant and substantive intellectual content regarding issues of great national importance .
Why aren't all these revolutionaries opening a black forum - advertise it to the people then take a march to the union buildings? When is the national dialogue?
Great to see Tshepo share his ideas with erudition and hear about his work in building institutions for social justice. Would be great for him to collaborate with natural and its adjacent social scientists to frame the important questions he raised using the appropriate frameworks. Entertaining interview.
There was a short, which I commented on, so SMWX I request the right to file a late comment to put the issue of rewriting the Constitution to bed. Our Constitution clearly sets out our rights. It is against these rights that the conduct of government is judged. Therefore it is not necessary to rewrite the Constitution to make specific reference to the bad past of colonialism & apartheid. The Constitution also should not prescribe the future state as this could be dictatorial. The Constitution correctly sets out the requirements for elections. May I refer to a forgotten example: In 1990, a little military dictator in the Ciskei, Oupa Gqozo introduced a short Bill of Rights-first generation rights-and a lot of his decrees and Acts were struck down as unconstitutional. But then Gqozo, together his bodyguard, were charged to murder. The case turned on a "confession" made by the bodyguard to the effect that he had shot the deceased dead on the instructions of Gqozo. In a brilliant argument, Johan Froneman SC (later CC judge) submitted that the 'right to remain silent' went further than the 'privilege afforded by the Criminal Procedure Act, not to answer questions when your answers could incriminate you'. The confession was ruled inadmissible and the accused acquitted. It would do the Prof well to read the first two volumes of the Lexis Nexus Constitutional Law Reports to learn how a Constitution works without damning the bad past or prescribing the planned future. The SAHRC implements our rights and investigates abuses of our rights.
Sizwe's channel is an antidote to the other gunk we sometimes see and hear from some channels here. More of these intellectually stimulating engagements please.
😂zYou will only defeat yourself with your devision talk trying to keep rascism alive. Good luck. VIVA RSA PATRIOTS!!!!🌈🇿🇦🌈🇿🇦🌈🇿🇦🌈🇿🇦🌈🇿🇦🌈🇿🇦🌈🇿🇦🌈🇿🇦🌈🇿🇦🌈🇿🇦🌈🇿🇦🌈🇿🇦
Seems to me a degree in law is seen as the green card into politics or civil service, a salary paid by the tax payer. In SA we need more people studying a degree in any field of Engineering, these people will build our country, create jobs and be paid by the private sector not a burden on the tax payer.
34:53 No offense taken… only truth being given here. ✊🏾 And with the current neo-capitalistic situation we find ourselves in, the majority of White Afrikans will also benefit from this sort of agitation. Classism is unrestrained.
Oh, so racism is still a thing? Shocking! 🙄 Honestly, pointing out the obvious is getting old. Anyone can play the "look, a problem!" game. But what about rolling up our sleeves and diving into the "let's fix it" part? How about some interviews with folks who are actually out there making changes, not just stating the obvious? Now *that* would be a refreshing twist!
I completely agree. I will use my voice to encourage others to focus on solutions, not just on identifying problems. Recognizing an issue is just the first step, but leaving it unresolved only allows it to grow and harm us all. Our country is too precious to let these problems fester. We need to focus on finding and implementing solutions to heal and move forward positively. Together, we can solve these issues and build a better future for everyone. Our country deserves nothing less.
@@vicmabiya5884 "allow people to express themselves freely without being subjected to your views" - that it itself is a ironic contradiction. if freedom of expression is a right, then it is also the right of the individual to express views that you do not want to hear. you are not "subjected" to it. you are allowed to dismiss oppositional views as i am allowed to dismiss yours.
@@maritzaretief367 what are you saying? Because the point I’m driving is that there’s an issue about racism and redressing the injustices of the past in our country and for someone to claim it’s all in the past is wrong. That is the reality we are confronted with in our society. Before you seek solutions, first address the Elephant in the room. Racism is not a thing of the past!!
Pure nonsense. He isn’t the one bending over backwards to avoid black people having meaningful participation in the SA economy and the redistribution of wealth. The white owned media companies predominantly report on financial and other crimes committed by black people and remain mum on the heinous murders of black people on the farms. You make black people the face of corruption while the private sector in SA and the west is responsible for the worst corruption, especially in influencing politicians to adopt policies against the interests and promises made to South Africans and Africans.
@@fredbantu3694 Goodmorning to all of Sizwe’s victim minded, fatherless, unemployed, overly emotional, oppressed, always complaining and never taking accountability girls and boys 😹
Thank you Dr. Mpofu Welsh for bringing the vibrant, brave interlectual Professor Madlingozi, Molautheo, Constitutional Commissionor. The future is bright in RSA constitutionality with Prof Tshepo on the helm , aye ye. Yes our Constitution must be critiqued in order to be amended and to serve the most people it was meant to liberate, because as it is, it protects rights of the former oppressors and their beneficiaries and perpetuate injustices and brutalities of colonialism and Apartheid against Africans and black people in particular. Thank you Dr. Size for the informative😮 interviews you always have on your show, please bring us Dr. Litchfield Tshabalala and also the African Spiritual Master Teacher, Mkhulu Ntsigiza of GEK.
@@TsekoMofokeng-v2o Yes , BEE , affirmative action and quotas are all legalised racism. These laws generate more racism as those discriminated against are understandably resentful.
Indeed no word , APARTHEID,in the Constitution,yet it's a SYSTEM which exluded and still excluding the Black Majority/Coloured People from participating in the mainstream economy and basic needs .
The post-WWII German constitution doesn’t explicitly mention the holocaust. Still, it’s clearly penned with the idea of guilt and reckoning in mind in light of the past atrocities. Same is true for the South African constitution: it’s clearly written with the idea in mind, that past injustices need to be addressed and overcome. It doesn’t have to mention the term “apartheid” explicitly in order to achieve that!
@@JabulaniMathuthu Inequality was promoted and cemented, but not created by legislation. In the same way equality cannot be enforced by legislation. At best legislation can promote equality. Absolute equality is a fantasy, since every individual is different. All individuals do not have the same capacity for intelligence, creativity, curiosity and so on. Even two siblings from the same family will have different personalities, traits and interests.
Prof Madlingozi's writings and philosophy touches the nerve; I am not surprised whey certain groups in the comment sections are catching flames!😂 ❤ That's how this guy's writing touches the nerve❤❤❤😂
Sizwe if May short kudos of your accomplishments and the chanell,but so far the content has been same script I would assume frm your guests view points shouldn't we understand perspective as being everything in this world we live in or maybe it's what some of the viewers like hearing....guys this platform should inspire ideas of meaningful change of what every society has inherited coz we won't change the past only reflect on building tomorrow thus making today different just saying 🤔
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I read his work in my constitutional law class and it really changed my perspective on the Constitution. What a great legal mind 👏🏽🙌🏽
I encountered his work at first year level, in Introduction to Law and Legal Skills, great legal mind indeed
It’s my 1st time hearing about Prof Madlingozi. It’s a breath of fresh air to hear about the unfinished freedom because there was and still there is no economic redress. It’s like there is this unreasonable expectation that all is well whilst it’s not.
Prof Madlingozi is black brilliance, thank you Dr Mpofu for always bringing giants to your platform. Ayeye!
I'm using your gentleman's wisdom in my Social Justice Assignment as we speak. Prof Madlingozi is renowned in many subjects across Law. I'm glad SMWX was able to bring you on the Show.
It's undoubtedly true that the remance of Apartheid is still plaguing both Namibia 🇳🇦 and South Africa 🇿🇦. Serious measures of Redress are way overdue . Black Consciousness RIP Biko...
I can listen to this Prof until sunrise, Full on 24 hrs. He is such gold. My goodness, I want to be an academic like him.
This was an exceptional chat
The Professor should come back soon
Advocate, Dali, Sikhakhani,Nqukayitobi.. Our justice is in safe hands here.
Always great to experience Prof's great mind. He is really such a breath of fresh air and always honored to have been his student and engaged with his legal shebeen and other forums he has founded to encourage dialogue. Please also invite Prof Joel Modiri.
This man tought me jurisprudence in first year and law and the community as an elective final year at the university of Pretoria. His writings about race relations and general organizational politics in South Africa have shaped my perspective of world politics and continue to be a guiding tool in navigating life as an African in post-Apartheid South Africa.
I was also in his jurisprudence class in my 1st year at UP. He really made me to start thinking critically about certain dynamics in our country and how we still have so far to go to achieve true redress and justice.
Same here! Felt like I was sitting in JUR 120! Our teacher 😊🙏
Big Up to the prof. Graguated same year in Tuks 2002. Very talented brother. Big Up.
I knew of Prof Madlingozi when I was a first year in the topic of Critical Post Apartheid Jurisprudence. Thank you so much Dr Sizwe for this interview.
When we understood the constitution it's more against us not to unite us
@@katenkosi1389 have you read it?
It protects the criminal proceeds of the colonisers.
We don't have a constitution yet.
True, it's as if it was created to keep things as they are but without the violence
@@alanyoung-pugh832 From cover to cover, it does not even contain the word apartheid.
Some of us don't care much about it. We vote for people who are determined to change it.
@@biko8229 Looking in rear view mirror to drive forward? The rear view mirror only helps if you want drive backwards which is what the ANC has done for 30 years, destroying everything in the process.
Anyway changing words in the constitution isn’t going to make the leaders more competent and less corrupt. That’s the problem and words on paper will not change that.
Read the preamble to the constitution. We would be the safest most just country in the world.
Great episode. Ndumiso Dladla, Lwazi Lushaba, Joel Modiri and Mogobe Ramose, next please.
Mgabadeli 🙏
Dr Lwazi Lushaba is a need
Legends of Jurisprudence
Informative and thought provoking interview. We need more of these topics.
I will never miss an opportunity to listen to this man speak. As a former student of his, I can confirm that every lecture of his was as impactful as this ❤
Every time I listen to these interviews, I notice a very apparent generational distinction. Generation X had aspirations that were bigger than themselves, while we, Generation Z, tend to individualize everything.
Correct. Community is an individual decision. One we dismally fail on
Generation Z is struggling with many distractions
Ah Bhungane, Mthimkhulu.... We salute such a brilliant mind
Brilliant human being 👏 👏
I watched this interview in between my lectures. Tshepo is evidence of how our upbringing and environment affects how we view, behave and move in & around the world. I'm inspired by his journey, as someone studying towards being a human rights advocate- this was truly a well needed conversation.❤
This leader deserve to be our President thanks Ziswe to bring revolutionary mind at your channel because mainstream media can't do that
Prof T Mandlingozi speaks with so much intellectual depth, clarity and deep conviction about justice . He is such a great intellectual and teacher . He is able to transition from theory to practice giving practical illustration of the law and justice .
Prof, I have read the SCA judgment of 16 August 2024. Best wishes with the appeal to the CC.
Super grateful to have been taught by this amazing mind ❤🙏🏾
WOW, This is what I needed to learn. SA constitution must be amanded ASAP!! 60% youth unemployment.
Despite the despair on where the country is and the direction she's taking, yet listening to such minds, it's a breath of fresh air, a little hope for the future. Let there be many of his calibre, who not only think ideas and dreams but put into practice these ideas for the sake of black souls. Thumbs up Prof Mandlingozi👌
What is the issues effecting South Africans today.The major issues which should be urgently addressed us crime and the crimes of extortion,collapse of service delivery, collapse of water and sanitation services, mediocre education and health services.If we focus on these things.We will see meaningful changes in the lives ot our citizens.
You forget to include socio-economic justice
@@VeeZumawhich will reduce crime significantly
You have reduced black people to service delivery.
@@vicmabiya5884 Can you have social justice without a capable state.Every single country that was colonized that later developed Singapore, Indonesia all of these countries have one thing in common a highly capable state with a very disciplined citizenship.Do we have anny of these things in place in South Africa.Maybe we do not need a capable state or en effective citizenship.Black people are killing black people for taxi routes,they are extorting black schools and churches .If you are a business owner in Langa or Gugs and you flourish chances are you will die.In no other African country on is this African continent is this phenomena prevalent.People are poor but black people are not extorting or killing each other because the one flourishes.We as a country must solve the immediate issue of the killings ,the hits,the rapes in rural areas.These conversations we are having amongst each other as the middle class trough commentators like Size and JJ is quite meaningless.How does these conversations change the lives of the ones being killed , raped and extorted.
I am a land beneficiary in terms of the government land reform programme .Our land is laying unused and so is all the land in our cluster.What has practically changed my life is the NSFAS loan I got from government and a critical medical operation I got from a government state hospital when it was still functional.Govermnets health and educational intervention changed and saved my life.
Today , I am a business owner in the Renewable Energy space ,thanks to government investment in the initial stages of my life.
We need to focus on the basics.
Right, ignore underlying causes
If you don't talk about your past, you run the risk of repeating it!
This was indeed a great and intellectually stimulating discussion especially the intersection between law and politics. We need to have an in-depth discussion on those two subjects and how they interrelate and influence society.
I truly feel sorry for this brother. Obviously, he was very traumatized by apartheid like so many of us. But he didn't let it get him down he studied and look at him today. I'm very proud cause i know the system he was part of didn't want him to succeed. I understand his view was formed by the trauma that apartheid caused. But that very same trauma blinds him to the reality of the day. On the one hand, he says we should never stop debating but then turn around to say i will never debate with someone who argues corruption. He rather points to a paper he wrote that was rejected by a white editor of what im guessing was a white newspaper. Luckily, this isn't a problem another black child will have to face. Thanks to the ANC, we have many options where papers can be sent on this topic that will publish it today amongst a lot of other good things like he pointed out. Now, coming back to not wanting to debate against corruption? Do we simply ignore it? After we now understand that politicians are willing to steal from poor gogos at vbs. People from all 3 our biggest black parties being involved. They even stole from the covid funds, money needed for our sick people. Even in our public hospitals, money is being used for skinny jeans. The truth is corruption is costing us A LOT more lives than racism and it's not caused by whites. Also, i dont agree that a lot of black people in the country would be scared to speak out against racism. Many cases i have seen so far have enjoyed overwhelming public support. What i would like to see is that even though they had some funding cuts, the black middle class that we now know is bigger than the white middle class will form something like afriform. Where they have lawyers on standby to challenge matter for their support base.if they can do it, so can we. Even Julius, he is always in court with a team of lawyers he should maybe offer their services aswell. Unfortunately, i dont think we will ever be able to get rid of racism, cause even in societies with only black people, they still discriminate against darker tones (another form of racism)The government has proven they cant solve this but i think its up to us as people to stand up and show we are not gonna accept it wherever form it raises its head.
There's a lot of blind spots in your post Thato. Firstly, to say corruption is costing us more than racism is ridiculous and irresponsible. It downplays the effects of this monster that we fave every single day which has kept our societies unequal and divided for decades. You can make your point about corruption without watering down racism.
Also, it's not a fact that we have the more middle-class than white people. Think in terms of ratio. Black people comprise 80.2% of the population white people make up a missely 8.4%; yet they own 80% of the wealth in the country? How on earth do you then arrive at your statement? Obviously white people are still far richer than black people and their middle-class is a lot more than ours in terms of ratio. That doesn't mean that your point about creating an Afriforum look-alike is not valid though.
Well said. It seems as though “social justice” and “corruption” are conjoined twins in the country. Pity.
@alanyoung-pugh832 it is truly very sad.
Understand the the critical race theory then you'll have clear unbiased view on issues which touched on
This is way beyond our current understanding as you can observe Africa's history and previous civilisations has been white washed blatant to give a view...how can you debate a narcissist who doesn't even recognise your ancestors
You keep bringing lagends🙏🏽🙏🏽
A document like the constitution that was written in the past cannot possibly remain 100% relevant as times change.
A great parallel to look at is the United States, so many of their current issues are almost impossible to solve because their constitution was written over 200 years ago when society had very different challenges. But over time they have made 27 amendments, with the latest in 1992.
I completely agree that it should be a living document and should be treated and viewed as such.
Our constitution has been amended 18 times in the last 30 years.
Social Justice pioneer: Prof Madlingozi 👏🏽🙌🏽
Shocking what has happened to this man’s family. Deep deep sense of injustice. These mines still carry out these acts of injustice, a lot goes unspoken.
Prof Tshepo Madlingozi and Dr Sizwe Mpofu-Walsh - beautifully delivered conversation!
🙌🏽🙌🏽
Just amend the constitution, take back your land and then we can talk as a people.
Not your land to begin with. Go buy it.
@@Lets_Go_Carlitos This is not Dutchland wena sthipha, this is Africa.
@@biko8229 This isn't Congo either.
@@Lets_Go_Carlitos LOL who said its Congo?
Did you hear what the Khoi-San traditional leadership said at the MK rally held at Orlando Stadium just before the elections?
@@Lets_Go_Carlitos
This is not Europe either, this is Africa , the land of the so called black people, you have your own land called Europe, you had no business to come and dispossess Africans in their God given continent. Before the wicked 1884 Berlin conference Africa was one land, no colonial borders ! I don't care about your tired argument about Congo , which the imperialists are busy plundering as we speak, we are African/ Alkebulan, we don't come from Europe like you.,and the Koi San, are African, they don't come from overseas, who did the settlers fight for land in the Cape,? Which Koi SANS did your settlers forefathers fight throughout all provinces, Zulu wars and Xhosa wars and all other Bantu Kings which were dispossessed of their lands?? We need our land back, buy it from whom? Did God sell it to you...
Great guest, Sizwe.
All South Africans must read Tshepo's PhD dissertation (it's available online). It's a serious piece of work. We are waiting for a book on that PhD (no pressure : )
What a piece!
Hope the Constitutional court judgement affirms that the HRC rulings are binding.
Constitutional Court declared that Public Protector's recommendation is binding under Thuli Mandonsela.
But when Mkhwebane investigated Ramaphosa, the same court allowed him to fire her. Different laws for different ppl
No that was only meant for Jacob Z... please focus😅
Exactly, so we should be expecting same for HRC's rulings 👍🏿
Madlingozi must replay this podcast and listen to it once he's left the HSRC. Otherwise for now his thoughts are just so contradictory and I think he's oblivious to this.
Had the privilege of being lectured by him and his experiencing his scholary master mind...so great to see his journey in HR commission. Black excellence 🎉
Conditions are even worse than that 2021 unrest......
My mind rejoices at listening to some of the bright minds and resourcesful conversations this country, keep them coming doc
Prof Mtheda is my new favourite law man🤞🏽. What a jurisprudential breath of fresh air he is 🌬️
Eish, HRC, ne...
But let me just agree that the citizens should determine their own destiny, and that must never be hijacked.
The citizens would accept slavery in the name of employment
By the citizens I mean the masses
The masses are sheep
We can talk and talk but white people still outright own this country and until we let go of this idea that somehow we’ll achieve change peacefully nothing will change a revolution Would be bloody many will defend the status quo many find absolutely nothing wrong with the state of affairs for it works to their advantage. The biggest problem in our country isn’t the white elite it’s the black elite who align themselves
I've listened to this for two days to make sure l understand it. This is so deep, profound, and very sad. This truth is so silent by our government. GNU is a crime against black South African.
Prof Madlingozi - with a South African accent. 👏👏
Sizwe you are cooking 🔥🔥🔥. Keep up the good work.
Prof forgive me for the harsh response on rewriting the Constitution. Considering your background you have achieved a great deal. There is still the land issue, and there is still inequality and racism in our society. You have addressed some of these issues. The human rights discourse is very important and we must continue to address inequality and racism. A personal story-my father was a forester, he insisted that we greet and speak to Africans with respect. This helped us.
Great episode! I enjoyed listening to the Prof.'s perfective. My only criticism would be that we do not talk about how our current governments' performance continue to perpetuate the effects of Aparthied 30 years on. Almost the majority of our country will not have experienced the direct affects of Aparthied but rather the perpetuated tide that has not met enough resistance.
What would the tone of our discussion be if the State wielding so much POWER was able to deliver on the goverments primary mandate and all the Social programs we have already implemented? I would argue that the State has showcased through numerous programs and developments, the country's transformation and redistribution efforts. These programs included housing, education, social welfare, land, and many more. Eg. The RDP program that has been overwhelmed with corruption and poor service delivery was supposed to address the issue of lack of housing, land distribution and economic participation. But because these programs have failed to significantly change our society in the way it should have due to States ability to deliver them, Aparthied still takes centre stage as reason for our failures. I say this understanding that we cannot undo the effects of Aparthied in 30 years but we could of been much further.
What else do you expect? We're living in real world. One thousand years after you're gone, racism will be alive and kicking.
Dream on.
The colonisers will be long out of Africa by then.
@SMWX we need a Pravin G bio episode
I have been waiting to knock off so I can watch this. #Ayeye
Dr.Sizwe Mpofu-Walsh, thank u for bringing us this great interview with such an intelligent guest.
Prof is a gift to us ✊🏽
South Africa does not celebrate Africa day, that says a lot 25 May is Africa day.
Still shocks me to this day whereas it's a holiday across Africa
Africa Day must be made a public holiday, not just a by the way day normal like any other day.
The 3 Rs of decolonization!! Never heard of those before. Very insightful
Prof Tshepo Madlingozi is a brilliant legal scholar - thank you for this discussion. This was such an educational podcast - especially around the intersectionality between law and politics!
Kindly consider having Prof Joel Modiri as a guest too.
Intergenerational impoverishment vs intergenerational entitlement/privilege
If the corrupt people didnt steal so much money, and the ANC did what they were suppose to, most of the people would not be suffering now.
Keep telling yourself those lies, it will not make us forget...
We had 30years of democracy black majority rule had time to change and destroy narrative of rasict acts we failed
Terms like GBV (just like 'State Capture) are unhelpful euphemisms.
1:50 no lie the brother looks young
I wonder if he is married too😅. Me thinks.
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I have never heard someone use the words “you know” 😢 so much
@@thamseni We don't know😅 mostly and what we do know, other nations don't know, as our champ Dricus says🤣🤣🤣🤣All I know, is viva RSA, patriots unite!🇿🇦🇿🇦🇿🇦🇿🇦🇿🇦
At some point I stopped noticing that and indulge on his brilliant and substantive intellectual content regarding issues of great national importance .
Why aren't all these revolutionaries opening a black forum - advertise it to the people then take a march to the union buildings? When is the national dialogue?
Great to see Tshepo share his ideas with erudition and hear about his work in building institutions for social justice. Would be great for him to collaborate with natural and its adjacent social scientists to frame the important questions he raised using the appropriate frameworks. Entertaining interview.
I agree racism is still alive, these days more and more evident from mainstream media and TH-cam videos.
Ayeye!!! Thank you Sizwe for this thoughful interview, I wish we may have Prof. Joel Modiri as our guest.
Hi Sizwe, I have a topic that i am lacking knowledge on, BBEE/BEE if you guys can touch on this matter, i will be greateful
Majakotsi!! 💪🏾
There was a short, which I commented on, so SMWX I request the right to file a late comment to put the issue of rewriting the Constitution to bed. Our Constitution clearly sets out our rights. It is against these rights that the conduct of government is judged. Therefore it is not necessary to rewrite the Constitution to make specific reference to the bad past of colonialism & apartheid. The Constitution also should not prescribe the future state as this could be dictatorial. The Constitution correctly sets out the requirements for elections. May I refer to a forgotten example: In 1990, a little military dictator in the Ciskei, Oupa Gqozo introduced a short Bill of Rights-first generation rights-and a lot of his decrees and Acts were struck down as unconstitutional. But then Gqozo, together his bodyguard, were charged to murder. The case turned on a "confession" made by the bodyguard to the effect that he had shot the deceased dead on the instructions of Gqozo. In a brilliant argument, Johan Froneman SC (later CC judge) submitted that the 'right to remain silent' went further than the 'privilege afforded by the Criminal Procedure Act, not to answer questions when your answers could incriminate you'. The confession was ruled inadmissible and the accused acquitted. It would do the Prof well to read the first two volumes of the Lexis Nexus Constitutional Law Reports to learn how a Constitution works without damning the bad past or prescribing the planned future. The SAHRC implements our rights and investigates abuses of our rights.
Sizwe's channel is an antidote to the other gunk we sometimes see and hear from some channels here. More of these intellectually stimulating engagements please.
Those gossip and ex criminal channels are a waste of bandwidth 😂😅
Jurisprudence Excellence
It's now time,Black-Coloured LEGAL MINDS,to stand ,build our own Organizations to defeat Afriforum and etc
😂zYou will only defeat yourself with your devision talk trying to keep rascism alive. Good luck. VIVA RSA PATRIOTS!!!!🌈🇿🇦🌈🇿🇦🌈🇿🇦🌈🇿🇦🌈🇿🇦🌈🇿🇦🌈🇿🇦🌈🇿🇦🌈🇿🇦🌈🇿🇦🌈🇿🇦🌈🇿🇦
Seems to me a degree in law is seen as the green card into politics or civil service, a salary paid by the tax payer. In SA we need more people studying a degree in any field of Engineering, these people will build our country, create jobs and be paid by the private sector not a burden on the tax payer.
Loved it
Thanks for sharing. Very moving story
Le episode indixelela ukuba thina sithanda uzula noba sibonwe sibahle ngezinye izizwe nabanye abantu kodwa inyani yona? Dololo. Siyathetha ngoku makuthini? Ayeye 🔥
Write in English wena
@@southernafricanboy4148 Go to England if you want English.
Boo Rhadebe, Mthimkhulu, Ngelengele!!!
Bhungane!!!!👋
Totally enjoyed this ncoko. Please have Dan Mafora next
34:53 No offense taken… only truth being given here.
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And with the current neo-capitalistic situation we find ourselves in, the majority of White Afrikans will also benefit from this sort of agitation. Classism is unrestrained.
I agree, racism is still alive
My favourite decolonial law scholar!
Oh, so racism is still a thing? Shocking! 🙄 Honestly, pointing out the obvious is getting old. Anyone can play the "look, a problem!" game. But what about rolling up our sleeves and diving into the "let's fix it" part? How about some interviews with folks who are actually out there making changes, not just stating the obvious? Now *that* would be a refreshing twist!
Freedom of expression is not a privilege, it’s a right! Allow people to express themselves freely without being subjected to your views.
I completely agree. I will use my voice to encourage others to focus on solutions, not just on identifying problems. Recognizing an issue is just the first step, but leaving it unresolved only allows it to grow and harm us all. Our country is too precious to let these problems fester. We need to focus on finding and implementing solutions to heal and move forward positively. Together, we can solve these issues and build a better future for everyone. Our country deserves nothing less.
@@lifes_magic_moments Agreed.
@@vicmabiya5884 "allow people to express themselves freely without being subjected to your views" - that it itself is a ironic contradiction. if freedom of expression is a right, then it is also the right of the individual to express views that you do not want to hear. you are not "subjected" to it. you are allowed to dismiss oppositional views as i am allowed to dismiss yours.
@@maritzaretief367 what are you saying? Because the point I’m driving is that there’s an issue about racism and redressing the injustices of the past in our country and for someone to claim it’s all in the past is wrong. That is the reality we are confronted with in our society. Before you seek solutions, first address the Elephant in the room. Racism is not a thing of the past!!
A Great guest!
Excellent
Ag go away. You want to KEEP the racism alive. YOU are responsible. Patriots of SA
unite!🇿🇦🇿🇦🇿🇦🇿🇦🇿🇦Away with devision- talk!!!!!
Wow so talking about injustice for the colonized is racism.
Pure nonsense. He isn’t the one bending over backwards to avoid black people having meaningful participation in the SA economy and the redistribution of wealth. The white owned media companies predominantly report on financial and other crimes committed by black people and remain mum on the heinous murders of black people on the farms. You make black people the face of corruption while the private sector in SA and the west is responsible for the worst corruption, especially in influencing politicians to adopt policies against the interests and promises made to South Africans and Africans.
Oops, did Prof hit a nerve 😮. FYI Prof Tshepo is a respected legal scholar whose work is acclaimed and respected by many countries across the globe.
Heee banna 😮😂😂
@@fredbantu3694 Goodmorning to all of Sizwe’s victim minded, fatherless, unemployed, overly emotional, oppressed, always complaining and never taking accountability girls and boys 😹
Thank you Dr. Mpofu Welsh for bringing the vibrant, brave interlectual Professor Madlingozi, Molautheo, Constitutional Commissionor. The future is bright in RSA constitutionality with Prof Tshepo on the helm , aye ye.
Yes our Constitution must be critiqued in order to be amended and to serve the most people it was meant to liberate, because as it is, it protects rights of the former oppressors and their beneficiaries and perpetuate injustices and brutalities of colonialism and Apartheid against Africans and black people in particular. Thank you Dr. Size for the informative😮 interviews you always have on your show, please bring us Dr. Litchfield Tshabalala and also the African Spiritual Master Teacher, Mkhulu Ntsigiza of GEK.
This man is one of the best brains. He doesn't cover up for WMC and sellouts
Nice one guys, spread the 🔥
I now have a new leave of what it means to be unequal society, thanks Prof
“Racism is still a live” that is true not only in SA but world wide. It is a fact of live, so just move on and live your life without regret.
@@TsekoMofokeng-v2o Yes , BEE , affirmative action and quotas are all legalised racism.
These laws generate more racism as those discriminated against are understandably resentful.
You know the difference but you choose for debate. In the passed WEE was intended for whites only. Written all over even on beach fronts.
@@ProcaviaCapensis-ts8ub You know the difference but you choose debate. In the passed,evething was for Whites Only.
Do not block comments. You know the difference. In the passed everything was for Whites Only.
@@ProcaviaCapensis-ts8ub you have the message atleast. In the passed Whites Only
Caucasians won't be pleased about this episode
Indeed no word , APARTHEID,in the Constitution,yet it's a SYSTEM which exluded and still excluding the Black Majority/Coloured People from participating in the mainstream economy and basic needs .
@@marthamphelo1736 and we like it that way
The only thing stopping you from participating in the economy is your victim mentality.
Foei tog😢Move ON, Sista. You will be left further behind together with the likes of Sizwe. We are moving ahead now. Viva Patriots!🇿🇦🇿🇦🇿🇦🇿🇦🇿🇦🇿🇦
The post-WWII German constitution doesn’t explicitly mention the holocaust. Still, it’s clearly penned with the idea of guilt and reckoning in mind in light of the past atrocities.
Same is true for the South African constitution: it’s clearly written with the idea in mind, that past injustices need to be addressed and overcome. It doesn’t have to mention the term “apartheid” explicitly in order to achieve that!
how is the currenty "SYSTEM" still excluding you today?
Can you legislate equality?
Inequality was legislated, why not equality?
@@JabulaniMathuthu Inequality was promoted and cemented, but not created by legislation.
In the same way equality cannot be enforced by legislation. At best legislation can promote equality.
Absolute equality is a fantasy, since every individual is different. All individuals do not have the same capacity for intelligence, creativity, curiosity and so on. Even two siblings from the same family will have different personalities, traits and interests.
Prof Madlingozi's writings and philosophy touches the nerve; I am not surprised whey certain groups in the comment sections are catching flames!😂 ❤ That's how this guy's writing touches the nerve❤❤❤😂
Sizwe if May short kudos of your accomplishments and the chanell,but so far the content has been same script I would assume frm your guests view points shouldn't we understand perspective as being everything in this world we live in or maybe it's what some of the viewers like hearing....guys this platform should inspire ideas of meaningful change of what every society has inherited coz we won't change the past only reflect on building tomorrow thus making today different just saying 🤔
@@ntsikelelonjiva5593 hear, hear!!🇿🇦🇿🇦🇿🇦🇿🇦🇿🇦🇿🇦🇿🇦🇿🇦🇿🇦🇿🇦🇿🇦🇿🇦
Please, please bring Dr Lwazi Lushaba, Dr Joel Modiri, Mx Busisiwe Deyi or Ndumiso Dladla or.... Prof Edgar Pieterse....
The ANC needs to do soul searching, repent and concede impotence
I like his take...great content brother. 🙌🏿🙏🏾👌🏾
This is so awesome!!! It would great if you could also get Joel Modiri and Tendai sithole.