The theme of colorblindness was never about denying the existence of race but about making an individual's race irrelevant when judging their character or qualifications. When people say, “I don’t see color,” they are expressing the ideal that race should not determine how one treats or evaluates another person. Misinterpreting this intent as a denial of racial issues is a severe misunderstanding. This form of "anti-racism" that insists on constantly emphasizing racial categories, rather than focusing on treating individuals equitably regardless of race, is counterproductive and antithetical to the goal of uniting people.
I am pretty sure it is not a misunderstanding at least by the thought leaders. They knowingly lie. The concepts are crystal clear and were openly talked about, all the activists experienced that.
Brilliantly put!! my mum always said “a 🛎️🔚’s a 🛎️🔚’s doesn’t matter if you’re black brown or blue” and I’ve stuck with that my whole life! The “woke culture” is turning everyone insane in my opinion, never seen so much racism as I have this year!
@@StuartFerguson55 His view on the war doesn’t stop him from being those three things. We all have differing viewpoints on the Middle East conflict. It is a mess no matter what way you look at it. Like I said, when he voices his viewpoints, he is level headed, intelligent and eloquent. Does not mean you have to agree on everything he says.
What are his views? I don’t want you to tell me what you think they are. I’m hoping you can link to a video where HE says what they are. Because I’m 100% in agreement with the person you responded to. Coleman is one of the most intelligent humans I’ve ever seen speak
Yeah that would be cool. But unlikely as Mr. Sowell in spite of his now newly deserved celebrity has retires his last days to family and his Hobbies. Sad people are NOW recognizing his contributions.
I’m a Postpartum RN in suburb of Atlanta Georgia. A lesbian woman I work with went to HR and told them she was very offended I stated “Our borders are wide open”. Every patient on the floor that wkend spoke zero English.i was not being racially insensitive, I was stating a fact. I was made to sign a paper saying I was racially insensitive and also had to take a mandatory DEI class 1 hr away for 3 hrs. I was caught off guard and delirious from working 2 night shifts in a row. The same RN has done so many incident reports on coworkers. She told management the secretary made homophobic comments. She is a perpetual victim and rewarded for her abhorrent behavior. I just had to take another DEI course on a zoom call. The leader went by they/he pronouns and kept saying “as a marginalized trans man” bla bla bla. I’m legitimately over this crazy clown world. I work for a reputable hospital and it baffles me how they think this is a logical ideology. I’m with your guest…color should not be a factor it’s your qualities that matter!!!
As an RN I worked LTC with solely Chinese for 4 years. I was later accused as "racist and sexist" and fired. I'm a 68 yo old male w 40 yrs experience. I think the real problem is I'm "old" and can't buy into the postmodernist BS. Good luck w you jobsite!
Not just color, personal identity as well! It does not matter, these people want themselves placed upon a pedestal and it’s crazy narcissism, that’s all!
I wish I had half of Coleman's composure. Stoic and clear-minded. What a incredible talent without even touching his communication skills or intellect.
@@HERMETICSUBROSA A neurotic temperament. Secondly, I have a rather peaceful life which I'm grateful for and I've few opportunities to practice my composure under pressure because said pressure is rare. The question isn't a well worded one. It is almost like asking a pessimistic person, 'Why aren't you more positive?'. Or asking a poor person, 'Why are you poor?' Close to a cruel question when asked in a public forum. Be well.
I was a fan of Coleman Hughes since I saw him making the women on The View look bad. He is a smart man and can think for himself. We need more men and women like that.
Yeah, but he’s Black. Hah, that statement flies in the face of his entire perspective in colourblindness. Seemed funny to me so I went with it. He’s a bloody smart fellow, and I’d undoubtedly enjoy interacting with him if by some miracle I had the opportunity to do so. But anyhow right now I have to get back to painting. I have 120-129 IQ, according to the few online tests I’ve taken over the past 15 years or so. I have not had the world ‘bow to me’ for my above-average IQ, as was discussed in this interview, but I know someone who does view the 90% or more of people around him as idiots. He IS smart, and I believe him when he says he’s around 120+ IQ... but he is arrogant while being dismissive and he puts his intellect towards evil. He is something of a ‘gangsta’ type, a White fellow like myself so when I was in high school I’d have used the word ‘wangster.’ He likes to threaten, to have others around him when he does so to make it more impactful, and if he perceives that you owe him money then he will put every ounce of his smarts towards making himself a constant presence whether it be in person or via text/calls. I’m grateful to have my Christian perspective, to count my blessings and to NOT get bitter at the world. I have above-average IQ but nowhere near genius. I can understand people with my IQ or higher, finding themselves in positions of difficulty/struggle, shaking their fists at society for not having their intelligence utilized to the maximal extent that it can. It is not a good outlook and stinks of resentment from which only motivation for evil acts can be found. I hope that awful above-average IQ individual straightens up, because he is a father and I fear he will not lead his growing child well. And he might land himself in jail, which would not be good for the kid, but I suspect he may be going down that path. If God wants me to actually interact with that awful individual... I don’t know. I can’t stand him. Maybe if he ends up in jail and I hear of it then I may endeavour to visit him. For I had been locked-up before too. And told him such, that I had seen my parents on the other side of a pane of glass while wearing a uniform. It would not be good for him to be in a similar situation, but as a father in uniform seeing his son through a pane of glass. That was before our relationship went tits-up. Didn’t take long. The world, and life itself, can be very difficult. Hard to know the right thing to do, and impossible to know God’s will, but we should endeavor to enact it or at least to try and follow it. I am a worm and no man.
Dearest Dr. Peterson I am OVERJOYED that you spoke with Coleman! Perhaps you may have been too sick to remember, but Coleman was one of the first people you spoke with on Mikhaila’s podcast when you first came back into the public. You were extremely ill and fragile but you enjoyed the conversation with Coleman, and I remember thinking as I watched that Coleman was going to be a great intellectual one day. And he is. And now you have your health back and can properly enjoy a conversation with him and I am so, so, so glad. I am just coming back from a day at the beach and the oceanarium with my kids and will be listening later tonight. With Ruth Anne’s love.
When I was a young man, back when Bush I was president, I enlisted in the Army. I had been living and going to school in the middle-of-nowhere in the American southwest, and wanted to escape. One day I found myself showing up for basic training at Fort McClellan, Alabama. It was an interesting experience, and it was the first time I had seen and heard black people other than on television. The Army of those days was America's most diverse employer, nearly half of Army soldiers were minorities. My first interaction with a black man was Drill Sergeant Rodgers, who taught me how to address him. He was tall, lean, with dark eyes, and as scary a man as I had ever seen. About one-third of our drill sergeants were black, and about one-fourth of our training class was black. At the beginning, left on our own, us trainees gravitated toward people of our own race. The Army, in its wisdom, organized us alphabetically, which mixed us together. So, in our barracks, in our squads and platoons, people of different colors worked together. And together we suffered in the heat and humidity, together we suffered the verbal abuse from our drill sergeants, together we shed blood, sweat, and tears. The Army held every person to the exact same standard, regardless of color or creed. And as us trainees lived, worked, and suffered together, we came to respect and even love each other. In the Army of those days, colorblindness was the ideal, that soldiers were promoted by merit, and under such conditions, blacks and other minorities thrived in this system.
That story was great. However, it shows that if people are left up to their natural inclinations, the ethnic groups would all organically segregate themselves in the comfort and feeling of security of their own group, it's nature and that is the reality of the USA society unchecked. Nonetheless, in your day the army had the right attitude and vision in promoting and executing a fair system to reduce prejudices and marginalization... I love you story 👌🏾
@@jpguthrie6669 What a poignant example of “color blindness” and its positive effects on our society., the benefit, it sounds, to you and your fellow soldiers. We were on our way to making that a pervasive condition until about 10 years go, when self serving race baiters started selling the resurrection of “racism” in this country. Funny how this coincided with the creation of their careers.
On the matter of job interview tests. I work as a software developer, when we are looking for new developers we use a practical test, applicants who pass the first round of CV review are sent a small set of questions. About 80% of applicants don't even bother to do it, these people are either very low in conscientiousness or overstated their abilities in their CV. Of the ones who do attempt the tests, the ability to solve problems a well as the consciousnesses of the person is often very clear. Even down to code formatting and comments. Neat, tidy and logically thought out code will stand out. This method has generally worked very well for us over the years.
... 80%? ... of those you need to include the ones that don't want to work for your team, regardless of the questionnaire or practical test. I've taken job interviews all over England, with practical tests and none of those measured anything close to IQ. Perhaps you should request a Mensa result too before the interviews.
Yeah we need the kids these days to be anti anti-racist. That way when they cancel out the double negative and just be racist, we can pat ourselves on the back for bringing back the good old days when men were men and everybody knew their place.
But you realize the typical journalist would describe this podcast as “far fight neofascist extremism “. They don’t analyze and articulate responses, they slander.
I'm amaze to notice that I've watch this hour and a half discussion and not noticing the time. Watching two brilliant people having a substantive conversation that is very relevant to our time is what our people need more today than ever.
If anyone can question this discussion negatively they have something seriously wrong with them. Two of the most insightful and genuine people I have ever seen.
Well there must be something wrong with me because I think being anti-racist is a hell of a lot less worse than, say, gassing all the Jews or killing all the native Americans for 500 years of biblically inspired slavery. Yep I must be screwed in the head to think that.
I already have an issue with the question posed. We know that one's familial wealth has an effect on one's opportunities. While yes, you can overcome that, on average wealthy children get benefits and go on to live wealthy lives. How many poor presidents have we had? How many in congress started poor? There is your answer.
@@Joshua-gt7pz Do you know what? Who cares. I don't live the life of the wealthy. I live my life. If I spend all my time looking at everyone else's pile, then I'm not attending to what I have. That's all that matters. What I can do. I don't need to be rich to be able to say that I've accomplished things or that my lack of money is a roadblock to getting ahead. There are millionaires who are addicts, have emotional problems even end their lives in despair. I wouldn't WANT their lives. Live your own life to the best of your ability and pursue your own path to happiness and remember, it's NOT the destination but the journey that brings satisfaction.
First "coming up" section is wrong. He thinks that the "go woke" thing is like a propaganda to change black voters to come to their side... all 17% of them, or 2% of the total voter base (13% republican, 4% unaffiliated). Yup 83% of black people are democrats. The "go woke" propaganda was made for white people, to maybe empathise with black and hispanic people, because 56% of them are republican and 41% are democrat. Plus if you change 1% of black votes that means 0.1% of the entire voter base but if you change 1% of white votes that means 0.6%, that's 6 times more. Every campaign of civil rights was targeting white people, because they had the power to change the system by voting. That's why Martin Luther Jr. hated "white fence sitters" or the "let's take it slow-ers" because their innaction or slow action prolonged inequality.
@@RR-zl8pgI don’t agree with the modern BLM movement but I would definitely disagree with this take. The south was horrendous towards African Americans at that point in history. MLK made a liberal movement which changed that and got rid of segregation which was based on skin color so yeah I would say MLK was good lol.
@Amanitaland I don't agree with what the movement either, but I understood why it needed to be said. MLK was not good for black people. He even realized it towards the end of his life, which is why he was assassinated. If you listen to more and more of his latest speeches, which they do not show and advertise, he was sounding more and more like Malcolm X. " I fear that I have led my people towards a burning bush."
@@RR-zl8pg won’t stop, especially when they echo each other’s sentiments in their own time and day. that’s a beautiful thing. ya, he just has a national holiday to celebrate him and his accomplishments. that’s all.
The fact that Coleman is the same age as me is incredibly humbling. The way he articulates himself and the way he forms his thoughts are just inspiring. I hope he becomes this generation’s Thomas Sowell.
Don't worry. I'm 61 and I feel the same about him. I'm doing better now in thinking clearly and being able to formulate my thoughts than I did at Coleman's age, but I still admire him a lot.
The times I've listened to Coleman I've been awed by his thoughts. Even before T Sowell's name came up I thought to myself that Coleman could possibly become the Thomas Sowell of the next generation. Although I have a different perspective from Coleman on many issues I find his thought process and calm delivery so outstanding I've become a stanch fan. I am an avid reader and will purchase his book today as well as search out his podcasts. Thanks JBP for having Coleman as a guest.
It is not in any way reversed. it is straight forward Race-based vitriolic hate and vengeful retribution on people who had less than nothing to do with any suffering by others, ever.
This conversation takes me back to my social psychology studies in my undergraduate years at university. What a great discussion. Thank you to everyone involved in this.
@@anti1training I don't really understand what you're saying in context to this video. But what I am saying is that haters will be haters and racists will be racists. There is nothing you can do but spread awareness. If you pose restrictions to expression it will not change how these people think. It will only change the possibility to talk about it.
@Snibble That is very true sir, I agree. But there is I feel, some leeway we can have here. How about a very obvious case of someone screaming slurs to another person's face, until finally the victim can't hold back anymore and punches him? The state of Ohio arrested a man who did exactly that, because they counted as "fighting words". What do you feel about that? And I don't mean other lesser scenarios, I'm talking about exclusively when someone does that? I know some people have more willpower than others, but some of us have dealt with a lot of 1960s level nonsense. And it takes a toll.
@@anti1training I think it is an opportunity for both parties to learn a valuable lesson. One is to treat each other with respect and the other is to not engage with despicable people that are not worth your effort and time unless you have the means to set an example. And in my experience you sometimes have to be reminded of that. (p.s. I have the feeling we might be talking past each other a bit but I am very tired).
@@anti1training your options are to talk back or to ignore him. If you set a precedence that slurs count as "fighting words" and justify physical violence, then what about other "fighting words"? Is it okay for a woman to go beat her coworker because she's spreading false rumors about her to destroy her reputation? Is it okay for a husband to beat his wife if she's threatening him with divorce ant taking away his kids? There are many other words than slurs that might provoke people to use physical violence. Also as said by @Snibble, it'd create a lexicon of forbidden words. Look at what's happening in the UK. No one's happy about UK police coming to people's homes to arrest them for mean tweets or for saying a single banned word in public. They're also being imprisoned for 2 or 3 years for this. Is this justice?
Just bought Mr. Hughes book on Amazon. Looking forward to reading it and learning more about those who inspired him during his research. This is a highly intelligent young man who has a powerful message to spread. To Colman Hughes: Keep spreading your message!
I liked when Coleman Hughes mentioned comedy, now I get what that feeling was from when I grew up in the 90s to 2010 or so, we could joke about what amused us about our superficial differences, the sexes could be playful towards each other, now I see it was a revelation about how we were willing to get along, we didn’t glorify and make sacred our superficial differences since we understood that in America we were American by letting those differences be superficial when out and about in public. The “revolutionaries” seem like they’ve totally succeeded in inciting hatred in people due to making differences everywhere and at all times sacred while also demanding and berating one group so that it can’t make its differences sacred too.
It was the same allover the west.We learned that labeling people is bad and now all they do is label people. People need to reminded of the 3rd wave experiment
Everyone seems to be in such a hurry to scream 'racism' these days. A customer walks into an establishment and asks, "In what aisle could I find the Polish sausage?" The clerk looks at him and says, "Are you Polish?" The guy (clearly offended) says, "Well, yes I am. But let me ask you something. If I had asked for Italian sausage, would you ask me if I was Italian? Or if I had asked for German Bratwurst, would you ask me if I was German? Or if I asked for a kosher hot dog would you ask me if I was Jewish? Or if I had asked for a Taco, would you ask if I was Mexican? If I asked for some Irish whiskey, would you ask if I was Irish?" The clerk says, "Well, no, I probably wouldn't!" With deep self-righteous indignation, the guy says, "Well then, why did you ask me if I'm Polish because I asked for Polish sausage?" The clerk replied, "Because you're in Home Depot."
That story doesn't make much sense in this context. Anti racism isn't racism. It's against racism. And it's a red flag if someome tries to convince you that somehow being anti racist, which means against racism, somehow makes you the racist one. That's so backwards. I don't usually dislike Jordan Peterson all too much, but this is crazy. And I used to be farther right than him
@@anti1trainingthat’s assuming that proponents of “antiracism” are sticking to a strict definition of the word. They’re not. They being openly racist and discriminatory under the veil of “antiracism”. It’s a language game and you clearly have fallen for it.
@@anti1training There's what the word means, and then how it's actually used. It's the motte and bailey fallacy, and the far left uses it all the time for political gain. They want you to think they only mean anti-racism as against racism, but then their policies is just more racism.
@anti1training One would think that the people that label themselves anti-racicist would be just that. I mean, that would make sense. Unfortunately, the people here in western society that label themselves anti-racist don't even understand the definition of the word of racist. They don't understand the definition of racist because their academic handlers have taken upon themselves to change the very meaning of the word racist. They have also changed the context and used their new definition to push their own political agenda. They want forced inclusivity, they use identity politics as a tool to get thier political goals met. They have successfully indoctrinated people with CRT. They are openly racist against white people. If you do not understand this or see this then you really have not been paying attention.
@Ux1.73c Is that assumption your own critical thought? Or do you just parrot what your Lord And Savior Juden Pederstein proclaims as self-evident truth?
Thank you Dr Peterson for sharing this interview with Coleman Hughes with us. It was an insightful view into his work, I will definitely be purchasing his book. Being an Afro-Caribbean individual myself, and having been born, and raised in the South Bronx around the same time his mother was the 60s and 70s, I can attest to the challenges those of us who were raised with economic and familial challenges in that particular time and place faced. Superseding those conditions and building a better life for ourselves and giving our children an opportunity outside of that environment, is no easy endeavor. Oftentimes bringing upon ourselves alienation from our own communities who accuses us of thinking we're better or sellouts. His mother did an amazing job raising him, and I am glad that he is here with us today showing the fruits of her labor. God bless you both.
Coleman Hughes is impressive, articulate, and full of facts. I hope his book continues to do well. A meritocracy is the only system that can work, one where the most capable and competent person is hired for a particular job regardless of race or membership of any perceived group within the society. This was another excellent discussion, and Dr Peterson did not talk too much, which is a criticism often levelled at him. I love watching these interviews on Mondays and Thursdays, much appreciated.
MLK was a *clears throat* Christian socialist and or Marxist plant (who smoked, drank, and adulterated as a "Reverend"). Coleman is actually a genuine participant in society.
Peterson. Thank you for taking your time to talk with Coleman Hughes. Please continue to invite calm intelligent individuals like him aside from the more fierce disagreeable people you’ve had on your show for the last year. Both make for intriguing conversations. But in my opinion the balance has been a bit off lately.
yeah it's the CRT presumption that since the "institution" is (somehow, obviously) white, and racism is instilled in the institution, it is inherently racist, which means that white people are inherently racist. It is the thinly veiled connotation that's meant when white people are accused of having "privilege." It is a sneaky way of saying white directed racism, one that is implicitly vindicated of any culpability. That is why CRT also pillars on the tenet that it is impossible to be racist toward white people. They are inherently privileged racists, so one is simply being "anti-racist." Whites are the institutional evil oppressors that are inherently racist simply by being of the majority, and their racism is justification for a systematic brain-washing of the next generations. Teach them, year after year in grade school, for an entire month, dwelling on the theme of the history of black oppression. Make television shows, and make sure that entertainment directed toward a black (and white) audience contains many virtue signalling episodes, where the black characters experience acute acts of racism. By the time audience members grow up, they literally have vague memories of experiencing racism, when the overwhelming source of such recollections happened to the Proud family on Disney or the Parkers on Nickelodeon or Moesha or a dozen others on UPN or WB or BET. Then proceed with social engineering by introducing forced diversity, a literal reversal of white-washing, in the same step as anti/reverse racism. It is okay, it is for Diversity, Equity, and Integration; nevermind the basic lesson of teaching the youth that they shouldn't relate to a character, or watch a movie unless it is the same race as them. It is the ultimate in veiled racism, ironically destroying diversity with a sterile, politicized homogenization. Then it is clear sailing, in a decade where 'cultural appropriation' has become a common concept, for the hypocritical dismantling of white culture. Remake their movies with their stories, histories, legends, folklore, mythology black washed with forced diversity casting. Make sure that overwhelmingly mostly white characters are cast as villains, rapists, serial killers, etc. and that the protagonists are colored, or female, or gay. If the script or story originally called for a white character, it's okay, make them black, even if the character still acts white (which is a figural if not literal form of reverse black face). This is where color-blindness gets a little tricky, we don't want to discriminate based on race, but at the same time we don't forget that race is there. We don't achieve anything positive by casting a black actress for say, Queen Ann Boleyn on AMC or for Cleopatra on Netflix.
This might be one of the most fascinating conversations I’ve ever heard Peterson have. The nuances of the problem with cognitive disparity is such a complex issue to delve into. My younger brother has severe cognitive impairment and I was born gifted. I’ve never been proud of it. I’ve never been boastful, because I saw so closely the nature of what may seem to be random chance with what hand one is dealt in regard to their cognitive ability. I’m also a member of the working poor so, I have good reasons to be resentful though, I’d never dream of being so self serving. I thank God for this man and what he has to say. 🙏
I agree. When JP brought up the cognitive disparity problem I immediately thought of a few times when I came very close to becoming exactly the people he was describing. The “higher than thou” and self serving crowd. I’ve had many instances where I feel my thoughts are moving 5x faster than most other students in the classroom at college. A few times in general day to day life where I’ve said to myself “how does this person not understand this? It can’t be that hard to grasp”. Same as yourself, I’ve never boasted about it either and tried to make anyone look dumb. I’m a very quiet and private individual. However, we’re all prone to moments of weakness and those moments have come close to making me feel that sense of intellectual superiority we should be striving to avoid. But the good thing is that I’m very hyper self self aware, and I have caught myself every time and humbled myself right then and there. I tell myself to not forget where I came from and that my personal values don’t align with being self serving and placing myself above people because of their intellectual level. In fact, I get lost in thought many times throughout the day and think of myself as being a bad human being solely because of the fact I’ve even come close to thinking that. I’ve had many “how dare you think that?” moments looking in the mirror. I know my friends and family wouldn’t think of me as a bad human being, but the fact that those thoughts of intellectual superiority have even crossed my mind has made me feel ashamed. I’m extreme grateful to JP and various other people with platforms that help me stay grounded. Various other life experiences (including having people with cognitive impairment in my life such as yourself) have also helped me.
Coleman thank you for the way you think. Living in this world sometimes can feel so draining with all this identity arguments & human egos trying so hard to out victim each other. Just to hear your voice & opinions on things is so refreshing, So thank you. From a fellow like minded human being! Salute
I read Coleman's excellent book this summer. He explains the history behind the neoracist movement and lays bare all its flaws - and why it will fail, as it is now. I've followed Coleman for a while, like Jordan, and he is a national treasure. We need more people like these two.
I wrote a long letter to the CBC Ombudsman once about how their woke anti-racist programing was actually racist and offensive to me and the Filipino community they were inadvertantly insulting, and how the use of the term BIPOC instead of Filipino made me feel like they didn't even consider us worthy of a name, just a tacked on "others" after Black and Indigenous, but all I got as a response was the same tired "we here you but we're going to keep doing it." It's all very tiring. I've never met a single "anti-racist" that wasn't just a racist.
I was a teenager when I was first told 'colorblindness' is a bad thing. I didn't understand why, and I thought I was doing something wrong. My parents aren't racist, I really didn't see race as a factor in anything. The increase in racial tensions, racism is palpable compared to when I was younger. The more I learned about why colour-blindness is 'wrong' the less I agreed with the sentiment. Its mindblowing how far we have moved away from the real progress that had been made before the 2010s. Anti racists are the most racist, they project their issues onto everyone else. Its very tiring and destructive:(
Big fan of Coleman Hughes and frankly I gained respect for him as an intellectual from this interview. Based on the evolution of his opinion on affirmative action/ admission standards. Previously on multiple occasions when speaking about affirmative action. He stated his supported for this type of program, but thought it should be based on socio-economic conditions rather than race. During this interview, he addressed how having different admission standards does not actually benefit those who the lower standards were given ie legacy admissions, athletes, and racial minorities. I made this argument in the comments section on one of his videos, and in my delusion of grandeur like to believe that my opinion somehow affected his own. In reality it is much more likely he never saw my comment and came to what I believe is the correct answer based on the readily available data supporting his current position. Either way it is impressive to see an open minded individual, willing to change their mind on positions which they have publicly stated. This is not easy to do, as it is human nature to view criticism of your opinions as an attack. Which often results with a person going on the defensive and only further entrenching themselves in their current beliefs. So if by a chance he does view the comments section on his content. I wanted to commend him for his intellectual curiosity and honesty.
I watched you on the View. Which is torture for me. Im a MAGA conservative. Mexican American who loves America. You were so smart and respectful. I didn't like their attack and disrespect but you were so calm handedit perfect. They are just so fake and close minded. Not sure why they have any viewers. I have read everything Thomas Sowell his Basic Economics 3 times. He is so smart. Thank you for your book anyone who loves truth will buy it. So happy you came on JP podcast.
Coleman spoke for 37 mins, 50 seconds. I love Dr. Peterson, and I love hearing him explore ideas, but I also enjoy balanced discussions. I know I’m not the first to comment about this, and a guy with 8.2 million followers on YT, for whom I am often a fanboy, can and should, of course, do whatever the hell he wants… and then here comes the pretentious BUT… Dr. Peterson‘s inability to not interrupt, along with his habit of asking three questions at once, all of which he feels require extensive explanation that leads to the original question often being forgotten, can be incredibly distracting and somewhat frustrating, especially when I am genuinely curious and excited to hear what his excellent guests have to say.
At least JP has acknowledged this though. He’s said that it’s one of his biggest weaknesses and he wants to work on this flaw. He’s just naturally very inquisitive and obviously a clinical psychologist so he wants everything in detail, if it’s that ingrained into him then I can see how it’s hard to stop doing it so often.
Don't understand why this is so complicated. As a Black man with grey hair, facial wrinkles often rocking a sportscoat is a clear indicator I'm not some drug dealing hand out needing thug. Kinda rolled the meritocracy train and followed the laws.
@@Capius1272 I have a lot of friends who wouldn’t be my friends if I went with all the BS. Glad I didn’t cause life is just better without it. Funny thing is I went to school, where the school was all white. Later to find out that one of my high school friends was a black man. Certainly he was lighter skinned, but I just never cared to even think about it. He’s a great man, nice guy,nothing but good things to say about him. Glad I never thought or cared, it’s just about who is a good person that’s it.
That begs the question: is it really 'fighting racism', or merely sneaking in their own racism for, what, but the desire for power and control (and often, clear cases of narcissism and simple brainwashing on children and adults alike). The idea that they are actually concerned with racism or fighting it is the fundamental flaw, I think. There is no evidence of this from the Marxist/BLM matter leaders and writers. If you read and hear what they say, this becomes clear. Of course, this is logical if we consider, first, that fighting racism with racism makes zero sense, and secondly, that their words and actions indicate that they are actually concerned with their own power status positions, egoism, and personality issues/baggage. This is clearly true also with Marxist propers, who claim to care about working class people yet seem to 'fight poverty with poverty', to translate the language here. Likewise, with radical feminist types, they seem to be 'fighting sexism with sexism'. Again: completely unworkable and likely an incorrect understanding of the situation. Certainly, there is racism within the anti-racist movement -- but the idea that all they're trying to do is end racism against black people, for example, and when that's done, they'll go back to just being normal and silent in their bedrooms is completely foolish. This is clearest with the Antifa types, being violent in the streets with a strong Leninist and Postmodernist foundation, largely masking nothing but violence and resentment, and drives for power. This reminds me of the notion that 'Hitler just wanted to unite Germany'. This is clearly false. He was never going to be happy, no matter how many countries were thrown at him. So, we might infer that this is not really what he wanted at all (at least, not entirely). Always listen to people's words, both their literal meanings and what they mean in the context (i.e. how they are using the words, the tonality, etc.) and their actions. As opposed to their so-called beliefs and promises (e.g. 'I want to stop racism').
@@RR-zl8pgYou don’t fight with racism back. You fight with liberalism and humanity. The United States constitution which sees all as individuals who should be treated equally under law. You don’t need to bring race into it just equality of opportunity.
I had a roommate for two years in college and when I was graduating my mom came up to visit and she was so shocked to see that my roommate was black and I genuinely thought it was funny because it literally just never occured to me to bring something like that up. Like, I recognize his race and his struggles, especially from his stories about having the cops called on him when he was learning to drive because he was in a "White neighborhood" or about going into stores and having employees keeping an eye on him "Just in case," but it never seemed relevant as a subject to bring up.
Dr. Peterson. You have managed to reach millions via social media by discussing extremely important topics of society and your delivery differs from other content creators by leveraging on your deep understanding about psychology. You have an incredible gift but also a massive responsibility since you are not only reaching people’s eyes/ears but also minds (backed by facts). When did you first realice this you had this power? How do you deal with it ? Is there a self assessment you perform to keep that power in check? Thank you
The first problem with America is this obsession with "IQ"! I don't know any other country that is so much focus on that. Here in the UK, I've never taken an IQ test
Thank you both so much, for this fabulous discussion. I studied ‘Race and Racism’ at university twenty years ago. And I love what you have to say. Coleman, I have just bought your book on audible, and I am so looking forward to reading it. 🇬🇧👍
@If-Liberty-Means-Anything... That's not what's happening. People lose support due to coming out or mentioning their race. We see it all the time. They get trashed on.
@@8PurpleSquirrels That's nice, but we have people who don't respect others and discriminate and protest them for being of a different race and religion. Anti racism is literally against racism. I'm anti racist, because I don't like neo yahtzees and other people who are into that kind of philosophy. Am I racist? I'm not discriminating or judging anyone by their skin color. It's the opposite, that's been happening to me.
Jordan you've got much better at listening and I feel you got the balance just right today. Coleman is a very intiligent, intuitive and engaging gentleman, his channel just got a sub from me.
@@scionofdorn9101 I was being sarcastic, in part because of the extent to which he's been exploited. Good call not attacking though, if I was a person who sincerely didn't know your response was an opening that could have led to informing me.
@@theevermind You missed my point. My comment isn't about Orwell. It's about the subject of Jordan's podcast episode. You were supposed to correlate my comment with the title of Jordan's video to realize what woke "anti-racism" really is.
@@RoddyFuhrHelps if you just spell out the correlation, but you’re not wrong. Anti-racism is Orwellian doublespeak. It’s not anti-racism, it’s “party approved racism”, something the Democrats in America have been in bed with since before the Civil War.
Yes, you know it’s amazing how many people I talk to who think Animal Farm is about the evils of capitalism. 🙄 I don’t think many people have actually read the book.
@@superafrikanmedialabs8237 The Jews. Hence the quote. The Jews were chosen by God to lay the groundwork for the Messiah, which is why they're referred to as the Chosen Race. Notably, anyone who took YHVH as the Lord that He is was considered a Jew before 0. There's nothing more to it, racist.
@@watch-Dominion-2018 Oxford Learner's Dictionary, to salute somebody/something - to show that you respect and admire somebody/something; don't play dumb because there's no need to.
What about the biological differences of blood type, physiological differences, and trends that affect an ethnic group, like health trends and laws and gerry mandering.
As long as everyone has access (that doesn't mean it's free) to healthcare they need then it doesn't matter. We don't need to support groups, we just need to not stand in their way.
@@laurajaneluvsbeauty9596 Looks like someone forget about the founding of the U.S.A.. Secularism is how this great melting pot started becoming a tossed salad bowl.
@@laurajaneluvsbeauty9596 We became independent of Britain due to their nanny government nonsense. The U.S.A. is a blueprint for the rest of the world so the idea that Euros have some say in that is outdated and delusional. "In God, We Trust" or are Europoor schools really that inadequate?
Fear of being alone and fear of death. As a black man I don’t even like throwing that word around. We know what racist is. So it’s very triggering when we throw that word around as it should be triggering. There’s cognitive biases that we all have. Also, I think what will help tribalism in the context of race is for everyone to know that at the end of the day we are inherently a lone. It’s you or you and God. We all are “the other.” Also to have a good relationship with death cuz when we die we die. Not some “race” that is a part of you that lives on. We really cut ourselves short when we categorize ourselves and other people into a box of race. We have nothing to do with events before we were born. I won’t be thinking about race or genes when the first people land on Mars ❤
What you all think about this? Sexual preference is basically like holding a bigoted opinion right? I mean, if you are a straight woman then you just like men, and men with a penis, not a vagina. You just feel that way. You don't have good reasons other than it's just what you like. If it's okay to discriminate against all men on the basis of a mere preference, why does it matter what preference that is. Why can't you just say 'I only like white people' in general, on the same grounds, ie, to be a racist. I like reasons for belief, but I'm struggling here. If it's okay to be straight, or gay, then why can't you be racist?
*White* is so broad that the statement makes no sense. White folks are more than a color. They are ethnically diverse. Otherwise, there are plenty of "White" spaces for white people. You're projecting. Wanting the US White Again. Here’s a short list brother: Norway. Russia. Denmark. Hungary. Bulgaria. Czech Republic. Austria. Switzerland. (Now) Sweden. Finland. Italy. Serbia. Hell Isreal 🤷🏿 You want America to be white. Say that. I understand 👍🏿
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The theme of colorblindness was never about denying the existence of race but about making an individual's race irrelevant when judging their character or qualifications. When people say, “I don’t see color,” they are expressing the ideal that race should not determine how one treats or evaluates another person. Misinterpreting this intent as a denial of racial issues is a severe misunderstanding. This form of "anti-racism" that insists on constantly emphasizing racial categories, rather than focusing on treating individuals equitably regardless of race, is counterproductive and antithetical to the goal of uniting people.
EXTREMELY well said. Seriously.
Very well put. That's true. It's one of those obvious truths that are nonetheless difficult to articulate, so thank you for this.
I am pretty sure it is not a misunderstanding at least by the thought leaders. They knowingly lie. The concepts are crystal clear and were openly talked about, all the activists experienced that.
💯🎯 And the nut jobs turned that on its head.
Brilliantly put!! my mum always said “a 🛎️🔚’s a 🛎️🔚’s doesn’t matter if you’re black brown or blue” and I’ve stuck with that my whole life! The “woke culture” is turning everyone insane in my opinion, never seen so much racism as I have this year!
Coleman is so level headed, intelligent and eloquent. Wish there were more people like him who shape our world.
@@StuartFerguson55 His view on the war doesn’t stop him from being those three things. We all have differing viewpoints on the Middle East conflict. It is a mess no matter what way you look at it. Like I said, when he voices his viewpoints, he is level headed, intelligent and eloquent. Does not mean you have to agree on everything he says.
Except for when it comes to facial hair choices. What the hell is that 'tache?!
What are his views? I don’t want you to tell me what you think they are. I’m hoping you can link to a video where HE says what they are.
Because I’m 100% in agreement with the person you responded to. Coleman is one of the most intelligent humans I’ve ever seen speak
@@jrtodd-br4zc the video I can think of is when he was on Joe rogan. They discuss it for 10 mins or so on Rogan’s podcast
Thank you, I will watch it
Someone summed up Coleman best like this: "When he gets into a heated debate, his heart rate shoots up to 70 bpm."
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Sowell and Peterson should have a conversation Over here thumbs up for it.
Yeah that would be cool. But unlikely as Mr. Sowell in spite of his now newly deserved celebrity has retires his last days to family and his Hobbies. Sad people are NOW recognizing his contributions.
Yeah! Why hasn't this happened yet?!?!
@@BDFigMombecause Sowell is 94 years old.
I’m a Postpartum RN in suburb of Atlanta Georgia. A lesbian woman I work with went to HR and told them she was very offended I stated “Our borders are wide open”. Every patient on the floor that wkend spoke zero English.i was not being racially insensitive, I was stating a fact. I was made to sign a paper saying I was racially insensitive and also had to take a mandatory DEI class 1 hr away for 3 hrs. I was caught off guard and delirious from working 2 night shifts in a row. The same RN has done so many incident reports on coworkers. She told management the secretary made homophobic comments. She is a perpetual victim and rewarded for her abhorrent behavior. I just had to take another DEI course on a zoom call. The leader went by they/he pronouns and kept saying “as a marginalized trans man” bla bla bla. I’m legitimately over this crazy clown world. I work for a reputable hospital and it baffles me how they think this is a logical ideology. I’m with your guest…color should not be a factor it’s your qualities that matter!!!
Thanks for sharing your story, I share your frustration.
As an RN I worked LTC with solely Chinese for 4 years. I was later accused as "racist and sexist" and fired. I'm a 68 yo old male w 40 yrs experience. I think the real problem is I'm "old" and can't buy into the postmodernist BS. Good luck w you jobsite!
Sad n scary 😨
I am so sorry. I really mean it. I would wind up being fired. I don't envy you.
Not just color, personal identity as well! It does not matter, these people want themselves placed upon a pedestal and it’s crazy narcissism, that’s all!
I wish I had half of Coleman's composure. Stoic and clear-minded. What a incredible talent without even touching his communication skills or intellect.
@@waylanddavick9459 me too
Let's not forget that he is only 27 or 28 years old! What a talent!
Why don't you?
@@HERMETICSUBROSA A neurotic temperament. Secondly, I have a rather peaceful life which I'm grateful for and I've few opportunities to practice my composure under pressure because said pressure is rare.
The question isn't a well worded one. It is almost like asking a pessimistic person, 'Why aren't you more positive?'. Or asking a poor person, 'Why are you poor?'
Close to a cruel question when asked in a public forum. Be well.
I was a fan of Coleman Hughes since I saw him making the women on The View look bad. He is a smart man and can think for himself. We need more men and women like that.
More like they made themselves look bad.
Yeah, but he’s Black.
Hah, that statement flies in the face of his entire perspective in colourblindness. Seemed funny to me so I went with it.
He’s a bloody smart fellow, and I’d undoubtedly enjoy interacting with him if by some miracle I had the opportunity to do so. But anyhow right now I have to get back to painting.
I have 120-129 IQ, according to the few online tests I’ve taken over the past 15 years or so. I have not had the world ‘bow to me’ for my above-average IQ, as was discussed in this interview, but I know someone who does view the 90% or more of people around him as idiots. He IS smart, and I believe him when he says he’s around 120+ IQ... but he is arrogant while being dismissive and he puts his intellect towards evil.
He is something of a ‘gangsta’ type, a White fellow like myself so when I was in high school I’d have used the word ‘wangster.’ He likes to threaten, to have others around him when he does so to make it more impactful, and if he perceives that you owe him money then he will put every ounce of his smarts towards making himself a constant presence whether it be in person or via text/calls.
I’m grateful to have my Christian perspective, to count my blessings and to NOT get bitter at the world. I have above-average IQ but nowhere near genius. I can understand people with my IQ or higher, finding themselves in positions of difficulty/struggle, shaking their fists at society for not having their intelligence utilized to the maximal extent that it can.
It is not a good outlook and stinks of resentment from which only motivation for evil acts can be found. I hope that awful above-average IQ individual straightens up, because he is a father and I fear he will not lead his growing child well. And he might land himself in jail, which would not be good for the kid, but I suspect he may be going down that path.
If God wants me to actually interact with that awful individual... I don’t know. I can’t stand him. Maybe if he ends up in jail and I hear of it then I may endeavour to visit him. For I had been locked-up before too. And told him such, that I had seen my parents on the other side of a pane of glass while wearing a uniform. It would not be good for him to be in a similar situation, but as a father in uniform seeing his son through a pane of glass.
That was before our relationship went tits-up. Didn’t take long.
The world, and life itself, can be very difficult. Hard to know the right thing to do, and impossible to know God’s will, but we should endeavor to enact it or at least to try and follow it.
I am a worm and no man.
Dearest Dr. Peterson I am OVERJOYED that you spoke with Coleman! Perhaps you may have been too sick to remember, but Coleman was one of the first people you spoke with on Mikhaila’s podcast when you first came back into the public. You were extremely ill and fragile but you enjoyed the conversation with Coleman, and I remember thinking as I watched that Coleman was going to be a great intellectual one day.
And he is. And now you have your health back and can properly enjoy a conversation with him and I am so, so, so glad.
I am just coming back from a day at the beach and the oceanarium with my kids and will be listening later tonight.
With Ruth Anne’s love.
That’s a very nice message 😊
When I was a young man, back when Bush I was president, I enlisted in the Army. I had been living and going to school in the middle-of-nowhere in the American southwest, and wanted to escape. One day I found myself showing up for basic training at Fort McClellan, Alabama. It was an interesting experience, and it was the first time I had seen and heard black people other than on television.
The Army of those days was America's most diverse employer, nearly half of Army soldiers were minorities. My first interaction with a black man was Drill Sergeant Rodgers, who taught me how to address him. He was tall, lean, with dark eyes, and as scary a man as I had ever seen. About one-third of our drill sergeants were black, and about one-fourth of our training class was black.
At the beginning, left on our own, us trainees gravitated toward people of our own race. The Army, in its wisdom, organized us alphabetically, which mixed us together. So, in our barracks, in our squads and platoons, people of different colors worked together. And together we suffered in the heat and humidity, together we suffered the verbal abuse from our drill sergeants, together we shed blood, sweat, and tears.
The Army held every person to the exact same standard, regardless of color or creed. And as us trainees lived, worked, and suffered together, we came to respect and even love each other. In the Army of those days, colorblindness was the ideal, that soldiers were promoted by merit, and under such conditions, blacks and other minorities thrived in this system.
That is what works best.
Beautiful story
That story was great. However, it shows that if people are left up to their natural inclinations, the ethnic groups would all organically segregate themselves in the comfort and feeling of security of their own group, it's nature and that is the reality of the USA society unchecked. Nonetheless, in your day the army had the right attitude and vision in promoting and executing a fair system to reduce prejudices and marginalization... I love you story 👌🏾
Thank you for your service in the armed forces and for sharing your interesting story.
@@jpguthrie6669 What a poignant example of “color blindness” and its positive effects on our society., the benefit, it sounds, to you and your fellow soldiers. We were on our way to making that a pervasive condition until about 10 years go, when self serving race baiters started selling the resurrection of “racism” in this country. Funny how this coincided with the creation of their careers.
…I love how you described the spread of an idea as “metastasized”. So good.
On the matter of job interview tests. I work as a software developer, when we are looking for new developers we use a practical test, applicants who pass the first round of CV review are sent a small set of questions.
About 80% of applicants don't even bother to do it, these people are either very low in conscientiousness or overstated their abilities in their CV. Of the ones who do attempt the tests, the ability to solve problems a well as the consciousnesses of the person is often very clear. Even down to code formatting and comments. Neat, tidy and logically thought out code will stand out.
This method has generally worked very well for us over the years.
Merit based hiring practices?! Fantastic!
... 80%? ... of those you need to include the ones that don't want to work for your team, regardless of the questionnaire or practical test. I've taken job interviews all over England, with practical tests and none of those measured anything close to IQ. Perhaps you should request a Mensa result too before the interviews.
Most employers have rules against giving candidates tests.
@@theevermindI don’t think that’s true, certainly not in my field (software development)
@@theevermind Not true in software. It's quite common for them to give you aptitude tests to see how you solve problems.
Leftists were never against bigotry; they just wanted to be the ones to wield it.
They want to send half of the people straight to the gallows
Wow, yup that hits the nail on the head
They want power, and they will wield ANY tool to get it.
More to the point, they’d never want to see bigotry disappear because if it did, so would their money and influence. Bigotry IS their business model.
This is wrong. They clearly think they're doing the right thing. They're just misguided.
This is the kind of conversation that should be shared in all high school social studies classrooms
Yeah we need the kids these days to be anti anti-racist. That way when they cancel out the double negative and just be racist, we can pat ourselves on the back for bringing back the good old days when men were men and everybody knew their place.
But you realize the typical journalist would describe this podcast as “far fight neofascist extremism “. They don’t analyze and articulate responses, they slander.
I'm amaze to notice that I've watch this hour and a half discussion and not noticing the time. Watching two brilliant people having a substantive conversation that is very relevant to our time is what our people need more today than ever.
If anyone can question this discussion negatively they have something seriously wrong with them. Two of the most insightful and genuine people I have ever seen.
Well there must be something wrong with me because I think being anti-racist is a hell of a lot less worse than, say, gassing all the Jews or killing all the native Americans for 500 years of biblically inspired slavery. Yep I must be screwed in the head to think that.
I already have an issue with the question posed. We know that one's familial wealth has an effect on one's opportunities. While yes, you can overcome that, on average wealthy children get benefits and go on to live wealthy lives.
How many poor presidents have we had? How many in congress started poor? There is your answer.
@@Joshua-gt7pzbetter education across the board is what is needed to remedy that.
@@Joshua-gt7pz
Do you know what? Who cares. I don't live the life of the wealthy. I live my life. If I spend all my time looking at everyone else's pile, then I'm not attending to what I have. That's all that matters. What I can do. I don't need to be rich to be able to say that I've accomplished things or that my lack of money is a roadblock to getting ahead. There are millionaires who are addicts, have emotional problems even end their lives in despair. I wouldn't WANT their lives. Live your own life to the best of your ability and pursue your own path to happiness and remember, it's NOT the destination but the journey that brings satisfaction.
First "coming up" section is wrong.
He thinks that the "go woke" thing is like a propaganda to change black voters to come to their side... all 17% of them, or 2% of the total voter base (13% republican, 4% unaffiliated). Yup 83% of black people are democrats.
The "go woke" propaganda was made for white people, to maybe empathise with black and hispanic people, because 56% of them are republican and 41% are democrat. Plus if you change 1% of black votes that means 0.1% of the entire voter base but if you change 1% of white votes that means 0.6%, that's 6 times more.
Every campaign of civil rights was targeting white people, because they had the power to change the system by voting. That's why Martin Luther Jr. hated "white fence sitters" or the "let's take it slow-ers" because their innaction or slow action prolonged inequality.
Coleman is an American hero. MLK would be proud of him. He speaks with integrity and honesty in a calm, cool manner.
Stop using MLK for your examples, please. As much as I respect MLK, he's one of the worst things that happened to black people.
@@RR-zl8pgI don’t agree with the modern BLM movement but I would definitely disagree with this take. The south was horrendous towards African Americans at that point in history. MLK made a liberal movement which changed that and got rid of segregation which was based on skin color so yeah I would say MLK was good lol.
@Amanitaland I don't agree with what the movement either, but I understood why it needed to be said. MLK was not good for black people. He even realized it towards the end of his life, which is why he was assassinated. If you listen to more and more of his latest speeches, which they do not show and advertise, he was sounding more and more like Malcolm X. " I fear that I have led my people towards a burning bush."
@@Amanitaland unfortunately, untold millions are either ignorant of this fact or brainwashed by delusional disinformation
@@RR-zl8pg won’t stop, especially when they echo each other’s sentiments in their own time and day. that’s a beautiful thing.
ya, he just has a national holiday to celebrate him and his accomplishments. that’s all.
The fact that Coleman is the same age as me is incredibly humbling. The way he articulates himself and the way he forms his thoughts are just inspiring. I hope he becomes this generation’s Thomas Sowell.
So true
I’m the same age as Marshall Mathers
Don't worry. I'm 61 and I feel the same about him. I'm doing better now in thinking clearly and being able to formulate my thoughts than I did at Coleman's age, but I still admire him a lot.
The times I've listened to Coleman I've been awed by his thoughts. Even before T Sowell's name came up I thought to myself that Coleman could possibly become the Thomas Sowell of the next generation. Although I have a different perspective from Coleman on many issues I find his thought process and calm delivery so outstanding I've become a stanch fan. I am an avid reader and will purchase his book today as well as search out his podcasts. Thanks JBP for having Coleman as a guest.
It is not in any way reversed. it is straight forward Race-based vitriolic hate and vengeful retribution on people who had less than nothing to do with any suffering by others, ever.
precisely!
well said...WTH...it is vengeful...what does a Norwegian have to do with what happened in America or Africa?
@@sonjadidyk-tn4cc Where did I say Norwegian, American or African? So what Do those thing have to do with race based hate?
This conversation takes me back to my social psychology studies in my undergraduate years at university. What a great discussion. Thank you to everyone involved in this.
Same goes for anti "hate" speech in my opinion. We don't need a ministry of forbidden words!
Not really the same. Anti racism is anti racism. Not racism. That's a red flag if I've ever seen one.
@@anti1training I don't really understand what you're saying in context to this video. But what I am saying is that haters will be haters and racists will be racists. There is nothing you can do but spread awareness. If you pose restrictions to expression it will not change how these people think. It will only change the possibility to talk about it.
@Snibble That is very true sir, I agree. But there is I feel, some leeway we can have here. How about a very obvious case of someone screaming slurs to another person's face, until finally the victim can't hold back anymore and punches him? The state of Ohio arrested a man who did exactly that, because they counted as "fighting words". What do you feel about that? And I don't mean other lesser scenarios, I'm talking about exclusively when someone does that? I know some people have more willpower than others, but some of us have dealt with a lot of 1960s level nonsense. And it takes a toll.
@@anti1training I think it is an opportunity for both parties to learn a valuable lesson. One is to treat each other with respect and the other is to not engage with despicable people that are not worth your effort and time unless you have the means to set an example. And in my experience you sometimes have to be reminded of that. (p.s. I have the feeling we might be talking past each other a bit but I am very tired).
@@anti1training your options are to talk back or to ignore him. If you set a precedence that slurs count as "fighting words" and justify physical violence, then what about other "fighting words"? Is it okay for a woman to go beat her coworker because she's spreading false rumors about her to destroy her reputation? Is it okay for a husband to beat his wife if she's threatening him with divorce ant taking away his kids? There are many other words than slurs that might provoke people to use physical violence.
Also as said by @Snibble, it'd create a lexicon of forbidden words. Look at what's happening in the UK. No one's happy about UK police coming to people's homes to arrest them for mean tweets or for saying a single banned word in public. They're also being imprisoned for 2 or 3 years for this. Is this justice?
Just bought Mr. Hughes book on Amazon. Looking forward to reading it and learning more about those who inspired him during his research. This is a highly intelligent young man who has a powerful message to spread. To Colman Hughes: Keep spreading your message!
I liked when Coleman Hughes mentioned comedy, now I get what that feeling was from when I grew up in the 90s to 2010 or so, we could joke about what amused us about our superficial differences, the sexes could be playful towards each other, now I see it was a revelation about how we were willing to get along, we didn’t glorify and make sacred our superficial differences since we understood that in America we were American by letting those differences be superficial when out and about in public. The “revolutionaries” seem like they’ve totally succeeded in inciting hatred in people due to making differences everywhere and at all times sacred while also demanding and berating one group so that it can’t make its differences sacred too.
It was the same allover the west.We learned that labeling people is bad and now all they do is label people. People need to reminded of the 3rd wave experiment
😂yes
Everyone seems to be in such a hurry to scream 'racism' these days. A customer walks into an establishment and asks, "In what aisle could I find the Polish sausage?" The clerk looks at him and says, "Are you Polish?"
The guy (clearly offended) says, "Well, yes I am. But let me ask you something. If I had asked for Italian sausage, would you ask me if I was Italian? Or if I had asked for German Bratwurst, would you ask me if I was German? Or if I asked for a kosher hot dog would you ask me if I was Jewish? Or if I had asked for a Taco, would you ask if I was Mexican? If I asked for some Irish whiskey, would you ask if I was Irish?"
The clerk says, "Well, no, I probably wouldn't!"
With deep self-righteous indignation, the guy says, "Well then, why did you ask me if I'm Polish because I asked for Polish sausage?"
The clerk replied, "Because you're in Home Depot."
That story doesn't make much sense in this context. Anti racism isn't racism. It's against racism. And it's a red flag if someome tries to convince you that somehow being anti racist, which means against racism, somehow makes you the racist one. That's so backwards. I don't usually dislike Jordan Peterson all too much, but this is crazy. And I used to be farther right than him
@@anti1trainingthat’s assuming that proponents of “antiracism” are sticking to a strict definition of the word. They’re not. They being openly racist and discriminatory under the veil of “antiracism”. It’s a language game and you clearly have fallen for it.
@@anti1training There's what the word means, and then how it's actually used. It's the motte and bailey fallacy, and the far left uses it all the time for political gain. They want you to think they only mean anti-racism as against racism, but then their policies is just more racism.
@@PatriotPDC1821yep
@anti1training One would think that the people that label themselves anti-racicist would be just that. I mean, that would make sense. Unfortunately, the people here in western society that label themselves anti-racist don't even understand the definition of the word of racist. They don't understand the definition of racist because their academic handlers have taken upon themselves to change the very meaning of the word racist. They have also changed the context and used their new definition
to push their own political agenda. They want forced inclusivity, they use identity politics as a tool to get thier political goals met. They have successfully indoctrinated people with CRT. They are openly racist against white people. If you do not understand this or see this then you really have not been paying attention.
It all just comes back to treating people as indiciduals rather than as groups .
Boomer Logic. We should also treat all Grizzly Bears as individuals too and stop generalizing their behavior for our survival
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@@JohnDoe14783 And we should simply dismiss your kind as basement dwelling trolls with regurgitated anonymous forum talking points.
@Ux1.73c You are a pseudo-intellectual dunce who is making prejudiced assumptions. What ever happened judging people as individuals?
@Ux1.73c Is that assumption your own critical thought? Or do you just parrot what your Lord And Savior Juden Pederstein proclaims as self-evident truth?
Thank you Dr Peterson for sharing this interview with Coleman Hughes with us.
It was an insightful view into his work, I will definitely be purchasing his book.
Being an Afro-Caribbean individual myself, and having been born, and raised in the South Bronx around the same time his mother was the 60s and 70s, I can attest to the challenges those of us who were raised with economic and familial challenges in that particular time and place faced.
Superseding those conditions and building a better life for ourselves and giving our children an opportunity outside of that environment, is no easy endeavor.
Oftentimes bringing upon ourselves alienation from our own communities who accuses us of thinking we're better or sellouts.
His mother did an amazing job raising him, and I am glad that he is here with us today showing the fruits of her labor.
God bless you both.
I absolutely love these interviews.. Dr Jordan Peterson is always on topic and right on point.
Keep up the awesome work and effort! 💯
Coleman Hughes is impressive, articulate, and full of facts. I hope his book continues to do well. A meritocracy is the only system that can work, one where the most capable and competent person is hired for a particular job regardless of race or membership of any perceived group within the society. This was another excellent discussion, and Dr Peterson did not talk too much, which is a criticism often levelled at him. I love watching these interviews on Mondays and Thursdays, much appreciated.
I heard this whole episode on spotify.
Didnt realise he was african-american.
Now the whole story with the view is a lot more fascinating
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Just read Coleman's book and what an absolute masterpiece it is. Highly recommend it.
Thank you for changing my life
Coleman Hughes is today’s MLK…Thank God for both of them!! 🙏❤️❤️
MLK was a *clears throat* Christian socialist and or Marxist plant (who smoked, drank, and adulterated as a "Reverend"). Coleman is actually a genuine participant in society.
Peterson. Thank you for taking your time to talk with Coleman Hughes. Please continue to invite calm intelligent individuals like him aside from the more fierce disagreeable people you’ve had on your show for the last year. Both make for intriguing conversations. But in my opinion the balance has been a bit off lately.
2 brilliant people .....thank you
For adults to be reminded or even taught these things about racism/anti-racism is CRAZY
I really enjoyed Coleman's book, and listening to him is equally delightful. Eloquent, logical and calm.
"Anti-racism" is very often merely what some used to call "reverse racism" back in the 80s. It's just racism with a different target.
yeah it's the CRT presumption that since the "institution" is (somehow, obviously) white, and racism is instilled in the institution, it is inherently racist, which means that white people are inherently racist. It is the thinly veiled connotation that's meant when white people are accused of having "privilege." It is a sneaky way of saying white directed racism, one that is implicitly vindicated of any culpability. That is why CRT also pillars on the tenet that it is impossible to be racist toward white people. They are inherently privileged racists, so one is simply being "anti-racist." Whites are the institutional evil oppressors that are inherently racist simply by being of the majority, and their racism is justification for a systematic brain-washing of the next generations. Teach them, year after year in grade school, for an entire month, dwelling on the theme of the history of black oppression. Make television shows, and make sure that entertainment directed toward a black (and white) audience contains many virtue signalling episodes, where the black characters experience acute acts of racism. By the time audience members grow up, they literally have vague memories of experiencing racism, when the overwhelming source of such recollections happened to the Proud family on Disney or the Parkers on Nickelodeon or Moesha or a dozen others on UPN or WB or BET. Then proceed with social engineering by introducing forced diversity, a literal reversal of white-washing, in the same step as anti/reverse racism. It is okay, it is for Diversity, Equity, and Integration; nevermind the basic lesson of teaching the youth that they shouldn't relate to a character, or watch a movie unless it is the same race as them. It is the ultimate in veiled racism, ironically destroying diversity with a sterile, politicized homogenization. Then it is clear sailing, in a decade where 'cultural appropriation' has become a common concept, for the hypocritical dismantling of white culture. Remake their movies with their stories, histories, legends, folklore, mythology black washed with forced diversity casting. Make sure that overwhelmingly mostly white characters are cast as villains, rapists, serial killers, etc. and that the protagonists are colored, or female, or gay. If the script or story originally called for a white character, it's okay, make them black, even if the character still acts white (which is a figural if not literal form of reverse black face). This is where color-blindness gets a little tricky, we don't want to discriminate based on race, but at the same time we don't forget that race is there. We don't achieve anything positive by casting a black actress for say, Queen Ann Boleyn on AMC or for Cleopatra on Netflix.
This might be one of the most fascinating conversations I’ve ever heard Peterson have. The nuances of the problem with cognitive disparity is such a complex issue to delve into. My younger brother has severe cognitive impairment and I was born gifted. I’ve never been proud of it. I’ve never been boastful, because I saw so closely the nature of what may seem to be random chance with what hand one is dealt in regard to their cognitive ability. I’m also a member of the working poor so, I have good reasons to be resentful though, I’d never dream of being so self serving. I thank God for this man and what he has to say. 🙏
I agree. When JP brought up the cognitive disparity problem I immediately thought of a few times when I came very close to becoming exactly the people he was describing. The “higher than thou” and self serving crowd. I’ve had many instances where I feel my thoughts are moving 5x faster than most other students in the classroom at college. A few times in general day to day life where I’ve said to myself “how does this person not understand this? It can’t be that hard to grasp”.
Same as yourself, I’ve never boasted about it either and tried to make anyone look dumb. I’m a very quiet and private individual. However, we’re all prone to moments of weakness and those moments have come close to making me feel that sense of intellectual superiority we should be striving to avoid.
But the good thing is that I’m very hyper self self aware, and I have caught myself every time and humbled myself right then and there. I tell myself to not forget where I came from and that my personal values don’t align with being self serving and placing myself above people because of their intellectual level.
In fact, I get lost in thought many times throughout the day and think of myself as being a bad human being solely because of the fact I’ve even come close to thinking that. I’ve had many “how dare you think that?” moments looking in the mirror. I know my friends and family wouldn’t think of me as a bad human being, but the fact that those thoughts of intellectual superiority have even crossed my mind has made me feel ashamed.
I’m extreme grateful to JP and various other people with platforms that help me stay grounded. Various other life experiences (including having people with cognitive impairment in my life such as yourself) have also helped me.
Excellent interview. A big thank you to Coleman.
Coleman thank you for the way you think. Living in this world sometimes can feel so draining with all this identity arguments & human egos trying so hard to out victim each other. Just to hear your voice & opinions on things is so refreshing, So thank you. From a fellow like minded human being! Salute
Good job Coleman!!! Never stop talking ❤
I read Coleman's excellent book this summer. He explains the history behind the neoracist movement and lays bare all its flaws - and why it will fail, as it is now. I've followed Coleman for a while, like Jordan, and he is a national treasure. We need more people like these two.
I wrote a long letter to the CBC Ombudsman once about how their woke anti-racist programing was actually racist and offensive to me and the Filipino community they were inadvertantly insulting, and how the use of the term BIPOC instead of Filipino made me feel like they didn't even consider us worthy of a name, just a tacked on "others" after Black and Indigenous, but all I got as a response was the same tired "we here you but we're going to keep doing it." It's all very tiring. I've never met a single "anti-racist" that wasn't just a racist.
Similarly, "Latinx" and the like are literally colonialism. It's forcing their way of thinking, values, etc., on other cultures.
I was a teenager when I was first told 'colorblindness' is a bad thing. I didn't understand why, and I thought I was doing something wrong. My parents aren't racist, I really didn't see race as a factor in anything. The increase in racial tensions, racism is palpable compared to when I was younger. The more I learned about why colour-blindness is 'wrong' the less I agreed with the sentiment. Its mindblowing how far we have moved away from the real progress that had been made before the 2010s. Anti racists are the most racist, they project their issues onto everyone else. Its very tiring and destructive:(
Big fan of Coleman Hughes and frankly I gained respect for him as an intellectual from this interview. Based on the evolution of his opinion on affirmative action/ admission standards.
Previously on multiple occasions when speaking about affirmative action. He stated his supported for this type of program, but thought it should be based on socio-economic conditions rather than race.
During this interview, he addressed how having different admission standards does not actually benefit those who the lower standards were given ie legacy admissions, athletes, and racial minorities.
I made this argument in the comments section on one of his videos, and in my delusion of grandeur like to believe that my opinion somehow affected his own. In reality it is much more likely he never saw my comment and came to what I believe is the correct answer based on the readily available data supporting his current position.
Either way it is impressive to see an open minded individual, willing to change their mind on positions which they have publicly stated. This is not easy to do, as it is human nature to view criticism of your opinions as an attack. Which often results with a person going on the defensive and only further entrenching themselves in their current beliefs. So if by a chance he does view the comments section on his content. I wanted to commend him for his intellectual curiosity and honesty.
I watched you on the View. Which is torture for me. Im a MAGA conservative. Mexican American who loves America. You were so smart and respectful. I didn't like their attack and disrespect but you were so calm handedit perfect. They are just so fake and close minded. Not sure why they have any viewers. I have read everything Thomas Sowell his Basic Economics 3 times. He is so smart. Thank you for your book anyone who loves truth will buy it. So happy you came on JP podcast.
What a wonderful conversation. Thank you, all. ❤
Spot on as always
Love Coleman Hughs. And Jordan, outside of some significant blind spots, when you're on, you're on. Great interview! 👍👍
Coleman spoke for 37 mins, 50 seconds. I love Dr. Peterson, and I love hearing him explore ideas, but I also enjoy balanced discussions. I know I’m not the first to comment about this, and a guy with 8.2 million followers on YT, for whom I am often a fanboy, can and should, of course, do whatever the hell he wants… and then here comes the pretentious BUT… Dr. Peterson‘s inability to not interrupt, along with his habit of asking three questions at once, all of which he feels require extensive explanation that leads to the original question often being forgotten, can be incredibly distracting and somewhat frustrating, especially when I am genuinely curious and excited to hear what his excellent guests have to say.
I was thinking the same thing. I really wish JP would let his guest speak for 75-80% of the discussion
At least JP has acknowledged this though. He’s said that it’s one of his biggest weaknesses and he wants to work on this flaw. He’s just naturally very inquisitive and obviously a clinical psychologist so he wants everything in detail, if it’s that ingrained into him then I can see how it’s hard to stop doing it so often.
That’s just Jordan being Jordan. He can improve I guess, but even if not I’ll still love him either way 😂
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Thank you Coleman Hughes 🫡
Bottom line just treat people as individuals! Enough said period!
Don't understand why this is so complicated. As a Black man with grey hair, facial wrinkles often rocking a sportscoat is a clear indicator I'm not some drug dealing hand out needing thug. Kinda rolled the meritocracy train and followed the laws.
@@Capius1272 I have a lot of friends who wouldn’t be my friends if I went with all the BS. Glad I didn’t cause life is just better without it. Funny thing is I went to school, where the school was all white. Later to find out that one of my high school friends was a black man. Certainly he was lighter skinned, but I just never cared to even think about it. He’s a great man, nice guy,nothing but good things to say about him. Glad I never thought or cared, it’s just about who is a good person that’s it.
I hope you have Coleman on again and let him speak more.
The correct term for “Anti-Racism” is “Counter-Racism”, as it's about fighting racism with racism.
That begs the question: is it really 'fighting racism', or merely sneaking in their own racism for, what, but the desire for power and control (and often, clear cases of narcissism and simple brainwashing on children and adults alike).
The idea that they are actually concerned with racism or fighting it is the fundamental flaw, I think. There is no evidence of this from the Marxist/BLM matter leaders and writers. If you read and hear what they say, this becomes clear.
Of course, this is logical if we consider, first, that fighting racism with racism makes zero sense, and secondly, that their words and actions indicate that they are actually concerned with their own power status positions, egoism, and personality issues/baggage. This is clearly true also with Marxist propers, who claim to care about working class people yet seem to 'fight poverty with poverty', to translate the language here. Likewise, with radical feminist types, they seem to be 'fighting sexism with sexism'. Again: completely unworkable and likely an incorrect understanding of the situation.
Certainly, there is racism within the anti-racist movement -- but the idea that all they're trying to do is end racism against black people, for example, and when that's done, they'll go back to just being normal and silent in their bedrooms is completely foolish. This is clearest with the Antifa types, being violent in the streets with a strong Leninist and Postmodernist foundation, largely masking nothing but violence and resentment, and drives for power. This reminds me of the notion that 'Hitler just wanted to unite Germany'. This is clearly false. He was never going to be happy, no matter how many countries were thrown at him. So, we might infer that this is not really what he wanted at all (at least, not entirely).
Always listen to people's words, both their literal meanings and what they mean in the context (i.e. how they are using the words, the tonality, etc.) and their actions. As opposed to their so-called beliefs and promises (e.g. 'I want to stop racism').
What are you supposed to fight racism with? If someone slaps you, do you just turn the other cheek?
The problem is that the people who exhibit “anti racism” are not racist.
@@RR-zl8pgYou don’t fight with racism back. You fight with liberalism and humanity. The United States constitution which sees all as individuals who should be treated equally under law. You don’t need to bring race into it just equality of opportunity.
@Amanitaland That makes absolutely no sense. Please tell me one time in history where issues like this were solved with a peaceful approach?
I had a roommate for two years in college and when I was graduating my mom came up to visit and she was so shocked to see that my roommate was black and I genuinely thought it was funny because it literally just never occured to me to bring something like that up.
Like, I recognize his race and his struggles, especially from his stories about having the cops called on him when he was learning to drive because he was in a "White neighborhood" or about going into stores and having employees keeping an eye on him "Just in case," but it never seemed relevant as a subject to bring up.
Another great podcast, love it
Love how Coleman always keeps class as the primary measure.
Just treat others the way you want treated. Love your enemies.
But do not be self-sacrificial.
Coleman hughes,you are genuinely prudent and intelligent your prudence is beyond comparison you a flourish and prospered future
People want the best person for the job?!?!?! Wow, that is the craziest thing I have ever heard.😂😂😂
I appreciate how much borh Jordan and Coleman spoke and listened to eachither in this conversation
Excited about this one 🙏
Dr. Peterson. You have managed to reach millions via social media by discussing extremely important topics of society and your delivery differs from other content creators by leveraging on your deep understanding about psychology. You have an incredible gift but also a massive responsibility since you are not only reaching people’s eyes/ears but also minds (backed by facts). When did you first realice this you had this power? How do you deal with it ? Is there a self assessment you perform to keep that power in check? Thank you
Jordan will you do an in-depth movie review of Master and Commander?
Omg such a good film
That's actually a pretty good idea.
Coleman is one of the best. Thanks for having him on again!
The first problem with America is this obsession with "IQ"! I don't know any other country that is so much focus on that. Here in the UK, I've never taken an IQ test
Thank you both so much, for this fabulous discussion. I studied ‘Race and Racism’ at university twenty years ago. And I love what you have to say. Coleman, I have just bought your book on audible, and I am so looking forward to reading it. 🇬🇧👍
I would like to watch the "Re-education of Dr. Jordan Peterson".😅😅😅 very curious how that would turn out!😂. More power to you Dr. JP!!
Last point, overall this was a fantastic discussion. One I've been waiting on for a long time. Glad to see these two speaking on these issues.
Why does skin color matter if not to perpetuate racism? “The only lives that truly matter are those who respect the lives of others“.
It's a grifting game. Race or even gender is now a profitable business if you can make yourself look a vicitm.
No, that's not true. All lives matter.
@If-Liberty-Means-Anything... That's not what's happening. People lose support due to coming out or mentioning their race. We see it all the time. They get trashed on.
@@8PurpleSquirrels That's nice, but we have people who don't respect others and discriminate and protest them for being of a different race and religion. Anti racism is literally against racism. I'm anti racist, because I don't like neo yahtzees and other people who are into that kind of philosophy. Am I racist? I'm not discriminating or judging anyone by their skin color. It's the opposite, that's been happening to me.
@@If-Liberty-Means-Anything... You think people this prone to groupthink are capable of formulating a business vision like this?
Jordan you've got much better at listening and I feel you got the balance just right today.
Coleman is a very intiligent, intuitive and engaging gentleman, his channel just got a sub from me.
"People are great at a one-on-one level. Then they start breaking into groups, and that's when they become assholes." - George Carlin
What a fantastic discussion. Thank you, gentlemen.
"One day, a man will be judged by the content of his character, not the colour of his skin." Martin Luther King
(Or words to that effect).
The point I make all the time, and what Malcom X says about the white liberals, they're like foxes!
Oh lordy you mean he didn't demand that there be special privelages for anyone? 😅😂
@@MT-tg4btHe was far wiser than that. Sadly, those whom came in his wake are not.
@@scionofdorn9101 I was being sarcastic, in part because of the extent to which he's been exploited. Good call not attacking though, if I was a person who sincerely didn't know your response was an opening that could have led to informing me.
Sadly enough, till this day, many are still judged according to colour of their skin and not by the content ofvtheir character. Let's be honest!!!
Couldn't agree more with such an upfront title. This is going to be a great seminar
Orwell called this doublespeak, and his books were about communism.
Authoritarianism, not just communism. The more authoritarian you get, the less differences there are in practice regardless of ideology or motivation.
@@theevermind You missed my point. My comment isn't about Orwell. It's about the subject of Jordan's podcast episode. You were supposed to correlate my comment with the title of Jordan's video to realize what woke "anti-racism" really is.
@@RoddyFuhrHelps if you just spell out the correlation, but you’re not wrong. Anti-racism is Orwellian doublespeak. It’s not anti-racism, it’s “party approved racism”, something the Democrats in America have been in bed with since before the Civil War.
@@scionofdorn9101 I'm not being cryptic to appear clever. If I plainly said what I meant, you probably wouldn't have been able to see my comment.
Yes, you know it’s amazing how many people I talk to who think Animal Farm is about the evils of capitalism. 🙄
I don’t think many people have actually read the book.
Excellent content! I love the topics that you touch on your channel, Dr. Peterson. 👍
Woot Coleman ❤
Coleman Hughes is the man!!!!!!
Color blindness comes from Christianity, not democrats. "There is neither Jew nor gentile."
Yet who is THE CHOSEN RACE!!!!
@@superafrikanmedialabs8237 The Jews. Hence the quote. The Jews were chosen by God to lay the groundwork for the Messiah, which is why they're referred to as the Chosen Race. Notably, anyone who took YHVH as the Lord that He is was considered a Jew before 0.
There's nothing more to it, racist.
2 of my favorite people together at last. Great guest Jordan!
I salute this man.
What kind of salute?
@@watch-Dominion-2018 Oxford Learner's Dictionary,
to salute somebody/something - to show that you respect and admire somebody/something;
don't play dumb because there's no need to.
Coleman Hughes is the man.
Excellent video. I plan to read that book! Thank you both.
What about the biological differences of blood type, physiological differences, and trends that affect an ethnic group, like health trends and laws and gerry mandering.
That is for your doctor, not politicians and legislation.
As long as everyone has access (that doesn't mean it's free) to healthcare they need then it doesn't matter. We don't need to support groups, we just need to not stand in their way.
Coleman is a calm collected individual
My guy
Coleman is an intellectual hero!
You can't fight against racism. Only discrimination
True but you easily raise and educated poeples
Two very different things. 👏🏾
Always interesting listening to Colman.
Too little, too late. We’re done with this multi culti bullshit
Also nothing about the west is Judeo anything
@@laurajaneluvsbeauty9596 Looks like someone forget about the founding of the U.S.A.. Secularism is how this great melting pot started becoming a tossed salad bowl.
@@Ux1.73c looks like someone forgot that this country was built by Europeans for Europeans. Naturalization act of 1790. Look it up. Pack your bags
@@Ux1.73c what does “secularism” have to do with multiculturalism? America was built by Europeans for Europeans. Naturalization act of 1790
@@laurajaneluvsbeauty9596 We became independent of Britain due to their nanny government nonsense. The U.S.A. is a blueprint for the rest of the world so the idea that Euros have some say in that is outdated and delusional. "In God, We Trust" or are Europoor schools really that inadequate?
I’d like to see Coleman on again and go more in depth !
Fear of being alone and fear of death. As a black man I don’t even like throwing that word around. We know what racist is. So it’s very triggering when we throw that word around as it should be triggering. There’s cognitive biases that we all have. Also, I think what will help tribalism in the context of race is for everyone to know that at the end of the day we are inherently a lone. It’s you or you and God. We all are “the other.” Also to have a good relationship with death cuz when we die we die. Not some “race” that is a part of you that lives on. We really cut ourselves short when we categorize ourselves and other people into a box of race. We have nothing to do with events before we were born. I won’t be thinking about race or genes when the first people land on Mars ❤
I love Coleman! He is beyond intelligent .
Like for this little corner
Thank you for your work (both of you). Coleman, just purchased your book Audible version.
What you all think about this? Sexual preference is basically like holding a bigoted opinion right? I mean, if you are a straight woman then you just like men, and men with a penis, not a vagina. You just feel that way. You don't have good reasons other than it's just what you like. If it's okay to discriminate against all men on the basis of a mere preference, why does it matter what preference that is. Why can't you just say 'I only like white people' in general, on the same grounds, ie, to be a racist. I like reasons for belief, but I'm struggling here. If it's okay to be straight, or gay, then why can't you be racist?
You can be racist, you just can't act out that racism in employment, housing, and public accommodations
@@ForeverYoungKickboxerunless you're a poc.
Because race and gender aren't nearly the same level of difference, and it's a shame they got lumped together like that.
@@ForeverYoungKickboxer Because we live in a civilization, not a tribe.
Someone being a different race doesn't affect you. The genitals of someone you are being intimate with does.
Great conversation
I agree with all this but I still think white people & all races/cultures should have a home land.
*White* is so broad that the statement makes no sense. White folks are more than a color. They are ethnically diverse.
Otherwise, there are plenty of "White" spaces for white people. You're projecting. Wanting the US White Again.
Here’s a short list brother:
Norway. Russia. Denmark. Hungary. Bulgaria. Czech Republic. Austria. Switzerland. (Now) Sweden. Finland. Italy. Serbia. Hell Isreal 🤷🏿
You want America to be white. Say that. I understand 👍🏿
Thank you! This is whst ive always thought
Very good interview.
Coleman's moustache is culturally appropriating felt pen magic markers