Our Tech Questions to Park Tools
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 29 ก.พ. 2024
- Our annual visit to the IceBike trade show where we met with Truman from @parktool and asked him some questions about the durability of their bleed kits, our dream new tools, and his opinions on the T47 vs BSA bottom bracket debate. We also discuss a new eCommerce business model and a quick chat with @dtswiss about a new aluminium aero wheel set.
Apparently internal nipples are faster... - กีฬา
"all our road wheels are hooked"... that's what a proper wheel company does. Well done DTSwiss.
I just yesterday set up the DT Swiss wheels tubeless on a 2022 Canyon Aeroad (came with tube) - which are most definitely hookless... I'm actually dreading what that might mean down the line, now that everyone seems to be ditching the hookless rage again. Oh well...
I had a warranty claim on a Park Tool item with a lifetime warranty. Australian distributor Sheppard Cycles 👎🏽 was useless. Went straight to Park Tools USA with a Hail Mary and they came through with the goods no problem. Outstanding customer service. Love them. Buy their tools when I can. Good to see Fist in the background 🇦🇺🦘
15:17 Love that jump cut at 15:17. You know some sh*t was said there, and we’ll never find out what.
Paul looking shredded
Thank you. 🙏 8kg gone. The weight of a modern road bike. 😳
I'll have to come over and we can go running!
@Hambini eek. I haven’t really run since 2011. Haha. Let’s do it. 😂. Kentmere horseshoe?
@@Mapdecgreat 👌what have you done to loose weight?
@@rainerkunz791 I made a vid at the start of Feb. About to film an update. Just sensible stuff, actually executed.
Thanks Truman! Good Q&A
Purchased my first mountain bike from Freewheel many years ago via catalogue. I'm not quite sure what the setup was back then, but the Madison brand was part of it too. Nice to hear that they're still going and/or have been reinvigorated after nearly forty years.
I recently bought a set of dtswiss wheels for my Pipedream from freewheel and they delivered to the Isle of Man - unheard of. (Yes I checked before buying because lots of online stores will not deliver to the island). And a great price too. I love park tools - yes they are expensive but well worth it.
Good you mentioning about the P45, I purchased one to use on my centre lock fitting, just happened to slip once and it knackered the edge of a few teeth.
Ended up buying the BBT 19.2 which is steel much better and will last a lot longer and torque it👌
Do you mean P47?? At first look, I thougth to myself "Those silly small engagement cusps are made for slipping". Still can´t get over it.... Rgr
@@borano2031 your right 47
It's gone to the bottom drawer
Never to be used again
Great informative video (yet again). I sat in on the Freewheel seminar at ICE South, and also thought it was a good idea, and a way forward, of earning a little commission, without to much hassle. Some prices are very low from some online suppliers, even to the extent that I am waiting to hear back from Madison on a “price match” I know I won’t be getting the best deals from Madison as a mobile mechanic, but price matching, from the major trade supplier??? That’s where FREEWHEEL will make things a little better. 👍🚴😃
Bike components does something slightly similar to Madison here in Germany. Its called BC Remote and small bike shops can order anything of the bc website, usually at a 10% discount and next day delivery. Meaning you don't have to hold as much inventory.
Awesome. How is it working for you? Do you get much trade from it?
interesting video, would like to see more of this type thanks
Well done to the Park Tools guy for his openness
Great video…just bought an Argon 18 Dark Matter with hand built DT Swiss 350 hubs and DT Swiss 500 rims as the Argon made your list of recommended bikes! Lots of good info on this channel
Very nice!
Was great to meet you and your team at iceBike
Likewise. Good luck in 2024
Just watched the 1000 mile later Van Rysel RCR Pro video on Cade Media, and Decathlon confirmed it will be available as a frameset only for *€2500* (£2141 directly converted at today's exchange rate.) I assume most viewers herel would love to see the RCR on the channel and given a full going over over to assess the quality? Maybe we'll get lucky and a viewer will get one and have Mapdec build it up for them?
When we become a bigger channel, this is the sort of thing I would just like to go and buy off the shelf and test.
Ok Paul the biggest experience you need as a bike shop operator I think 1000% customer relationships , solving problems for them . Adapting to our bicycle market as it always changing.
Hell yeah. The issue we are having now is that people come to us for help, and we don’t have solution they came for in stock. So we often just point riders to a product on a website. Many will offer to pay for our time,
About engagement of a tool for bottom bracket removal/install I recommend the Shimano TL-MH10 breaker bar because it's shaped in a way so you will easily be able to align the engagement point of the tool to the same plane as you apply force through the handle of the tool.
Yes the tool is not cheap, and I still recommend it because proper tools is an investment.
Oh. I’ll admit I never knew that existed. Just bought one.
Got to say you are looking well trim now Paul...Love the content..
Thank you.
I have always found smaller bike shops to be much better than big online stores like Canyon. They tend to stock and build bikes from generic parts, which makes maintenance and home mechanics a lot easier. They solicit good advice and go the extra mile to help you identify and dial in your preferences, such as working with bike fiiters. They are more expensive up front but in the long run that turns out to be a much better value proposition.
Canyon is horrific. Have had several friends order bikes directly from them that came either damaged or with completely improper hacked partial assembly. Nor would I trust the quality of their frames as far as I can throw them. They are basically disposable junk framesets IMO.
Thanks Chris !
Great info!
@20:51…Velocity Aileron has done exactly that for some years now.
Just got Park Tool MLP-1.2 Master Link Pliers because the KMC ones I have only unjoin the chain. The links on my YBN/KMC 7/9 speed chains are tighter than they used to be when they could easily be used without tools.
KMC have one to unjoin, and one to connect. I own both so I know. One has red handles and the other has black.
Personally I do not want a tool that does both jobs, and the Park Tool one is good at disconnecting, but I notice that that connecting part is just not a primary job for it. That's exactly why I looked elsewhere and I like having purposebuilt tools because it feels right when you have to use them. The other thing is that both KMC tools are spring actuated so they spring back which I really like in tools like these so they are easier to operate one handed.
Interesting video… BSA for the win 😀
I got the 370 ratchet hubs on my bike with g540 rims and upgrade to 36t . There better quality than most at the price point. Good video 👍
Agreed, Paul, not the most exciting of shows. Think I spent more time getting there, than I spent at the show! One thing I thought was really interesting though, was the new dashcam/light from tooocycling, very clever.
Oh. I brushed over that. Not really our thing. So just one neat little unit to mount under your Garmin?
@@Mapdec It was on the left, as soon as you went in. Yeah, exactly that, a 4k UHD camera, with a 100 lumen light. But it was such a beautifully made thing.
Sadly my local bicycle shops shut 3 years ago so do a lot on line I do miss the local shop nice to talk to someone for advice
Yeah they can't survive on giving advice and talking... 😉
I'm really showing my age here but I have a recollection of having Freewheel catalogues in the house back in the eighties - I'm sure they used to deal direct with the customer
I have a sweet spot for wera tools, I used to see most tools as disposable I buy a lot of cheap ali stuff but were it counts it's all wera 😎
‘BSA dub is great’😂 has he ever dealt with it 😂. Another great video Paul
I wish Park made a screw-type bearing extractor. Their current SHX-1 is slow to use and crude.
I like that shirt !!!
Bike and component manufactures need to address these issues prior to them be sold to the consumer . Frames need to have bottom brackets that are within tolerances or have a proper BSA thread-style interface. Disc brakes need to easy to adjust and bled by the consumer in under .5 hour. They also need to operate silently. Tubeless tires and wheel combinations should be easy to install and remove as needed. These issues shouldn't be left to the bike shop and consumer to analyze and repair on the back end. The objective should be for cyclist to ride more and fix their bikes less.
Thank you to Park for making high quality professional bike tools and having great customer service!
I agree with everything you have said, but where is the benefit to the manufacturer to do this? They get to throw things together with poor QC and sell for premium prices, that often exceed the price of a motorbike (inherently more complex and more involved). A manufacturers "objective" is to make money, not make an ever-lasting, easy to maintain bike - unless forced to by some competition...
Do the dismiss alloy wheels come in tubular rim brake
These alloy DTSwiss rims look awesome... 20 mm inner width... hidden nipples. Nice.
Ooof! The sound quality not so great but content was fantastic!
It’s a noisy public show with small travel mics. We did our best.
I went to freewheel to order something and it was marked up like 90% in price of regular....im all for supporting local shops but thats just crazy
Interesting. Something to look out for.
freewheel has been around for a while now - I've bought a fair bit of stuff through them with no issues
Good to know.
Off topic question of the morning: I had a fun weekend of spokes snapping on successive commutes to my physical therapy, so I'm thinking maybe I should replace all of them now? Bike is a 2021 Giant Escape City Disc 2, maximum system weight limit of 150 kg, and I'm probably loading it up to 125 kg - 140 kg multiple times per week, so it's had ~18 months pretty hard use on the rear wheel on British countryside lanes.
Do I get a rebuild with Giant spokes if I can get them? all the info I can find about the wheels is that they are a Giant GX Wheelset (28 spokes) but nothing on spoke length material or gauge.
Preferably I'd get something stronger that will last longer, but what spokes would be recommended for my circumstances?
The GX just uses standard spokes. Any bike shop can rebuild it. However. The cost of doing so would be more expensive than buying another pair of those wheels. The hubs are poor quality too and the freehub part wears out fast. I would ask your bike shop to consider building a set of wheels for you that will take that heavy load and millage.
@@MapdecThanks for the answer! I would be looking at £35 + spoke cost from my LBS, maybe a touch less from a guy that does bike fits and servicing independently. Unfortunately I am broke, so need to keep costs to the minimum but I will ask for the cost of a suitable new wheel. Can't really complain too much though, paid £550 new for the Escape in 2022, so with the covid pricing being what it was I think I did reasonably well.
Park Tool are legend. The Mustache and the Beard 😀👍
I see the cure time question never got answered, other than "thicker takes longer"...
I guess the point here was, the larger the gap the longer it will take. If you are dealing with a decently tolerenced system it will dry as the air is removed from the joint. It is an anerobic compound that dries with the lack of air. If filling a larger gap it will take longer as it needs to dry from the inside out. RC-1 is a 0.5mm gap fill and not a 0.05mm gap fill is another note on this topic.
If you get the chance you should interview Abbey tools
Maybe one day.
If park tool was really innovative, they’d make a simple bleeder with a built in check valve like Motion Pro mini brake bleeder, made for MX bikes. It’s simple and allows easy one person bleeding. But no, you get the complicated and expensive kits from park tool because “that’s what the manufacturer recommends”, or whatever excuse.
idk what your experience is with park tool, but in comparison with Bahco the metal used for example in the adjustable wrench feels soft and dents quickly. I got a 2nd one in warranty with the text, only use this tool on well maintained/ not to tight bolts.. i am thinking wtf. like I choose the maintenance history of a bike lol. It needs to do all jobs i throw at it. Anyways, i use loads of other park tool tools with a smile and i stay a customer. But i have a feeling the quality is somewhat overrated.
They make good enough consumer tools. Their pro tools line up has some very good competitors now.
I cant have nice items mailed to my house any more. I just go to a shop.
I just don't see the purpose of inboard T47s if outboard BSAs work fine. I hope we just stick with outboard T47
Outboard BSA to dub and 30mm leaves a very small amount of material to hold a bearing. We see these crack. I will try and film it next time. Inboard bearings put all the support closer to the point of load, and give frames designers and welders much more material to work with to make the area stiff and strong. Did you see the Emonda ALR vid?
@@Mapdec Ah, pardon me for my lack of clarity. Yes, I too understood that while BSA standard works fine with 24mm spindles, they don't work quite well with larger ones. I just don't understand why inboard T47s are becoming a thing when outboard variants have better tool purchase and BSA 24 has enough material to sustain load (I assume outboard T47 will have the same rigidity given the enlarged diameter).
I especially liked Hambini's take on the T47: with outboard bearings on a 68-73mm shell width, like a radially upscaled BSA.
Direct sales have ruined the market because local bike shops have closed and all that accumulated servicing knowledge has become more scarce and importantly the feed back to manufacturing has not benefited.
If it ain’t ParkTool, it ain’t in my toolbox.
Oh. But there is a wealth of excellent tools out there. Cyclus, Wera, PB Swiss, Wira, Knipex,
And good luck getting some tools from Madison. I've given up trying with multiple tools and gone to other brands.
And to echo what Paul said above, screwdrivers from Wera or PB Swiss are significantly better than Park ones, any type of Knipex pliers are significantly better than Park ones.
In both examples above, I'm saying better in terms of fit, tollerance longevity and quality.
Park do make some very good workstands but apart from that there is not much blue in my workshop.
Only Park tools if it has to be! Park tools are mediocre at best. For non bike specific tools there are far better tool manufacturers out there.
Like 500
Aluminum wheels for most riders. The carbon wheels with clone hubs are garbage. The nonsense I can't stand are the claims that deep carbon wheels are more comfortable. They're not, that's not how rims work, and typical riders don't need to splash out like that.
Can we all agree to stop calling tires width+c? Just call it out in millimeters, the C means nothing these days, and it never meant centimeters or metric.
Who is advertising deeper as more comfortable? I can’t say I’ve come across that claim. Carbon can give you more depth for less weight penalty for aero aerodynamics. They can also give you more width for less penalty that enables a much wider tyre. They can also be much stiffer, but many of them aren’t.
Park tools are quite good and very comprehensive but they are well over priced
When people buy Canyon bikes, they do so because Canyon are great bikes and you get good value for money. But take your Canyon into any bike shop and you will be demonized and refused service. This is appalling behavior and a shame on all shops. Such shops reveal themselves as having no true care for the cycling community and no care for customers trying to spend wisely.. their sole concern is making a profit on you. Why would anyone support a shop like this ??
True.
Well, its mainly because Canyon has somewhat suboptimal tollerances/qc in frame manufacturing, their love for Press Fit even on Aluminium frames and combining that with weird Rotor Cranks. And then most Canyon or Cube owning customers, if they need to spend like 350€ including work on a new drivetrain say: "I could almost buy a new Bike for that".
@@speedy1490 If you're telling me Canyon has systemic problems with QC, you are unaware or lying.
@@user-cx2bk6pm2f Yeah, they actually do. LOL
@@rcg9573 Naw, they truly don't. LOL