every time Hades says "data error memory structures disintegrated". it sounds more and more depressed or sad, like it knows something is wrong, it knows its broken, and its sad.
It was apparently self-inflicted. Sylens only "tortured" Hades by showing it videos of animals running through meadows, and it purged itself over and over again.
Even in the face of Death, Hades kept talking all sorts out greazy, like “I’m gna die, so what. F the Earth and F you too”. Kind of have to respect that.
@@darkwolf5869 I'd say hades wasn't built in with personality and instead picked up a bit of Gaia's after they all split, so his personality was probably turned into pure hatred by the signal. Hades isn't really hades, hades is more of a sick and twisted version of what it would've been if the split hadn't turned it into a killer
@@roachdoggjr419 I think it's also because of how Travis Tate programmed him initially. You can read and listen in data points where Travis tells Ted Faro that prototype HADES has to stay in the isolated, no data in or out facility because "he's just been born, he's a mean son of a bitch and needs to stay in his crib" Not to mention all of the references in the first game to Travis listening to and taking inspiration from death metal/black metal while coding HADES I dunno, I think Travis might’ve unintentionally led to HADES being so nihilistic and misanthropic
Noticed that when he says "so you have not yet secured Gaia backup", he sound like he's smiling and gleeful. Make me wonder just how much sentient the subfunctions are.
when going through the story line of HZD, especially specifically in the FW DLC, it is discovered that in the old world AI were given a Sentience rating, mostly to conform with laws (no ai could be developed to be beyond a rating of 0.x). CYAN was secretly programmed outside this law as its creators believed that it needed to be more capable emotionally to ensure that it could perform its functions adequately and at long timescales, and IIRC CYAN ended up being rated something like 0.6 on that scale when it was created. data found later in the game showed that during GAIA's Development some of the early tests had her performing above ~1.5 on this scale. Given the interactions the player has with the various AIs in the games i would say most of the subordinate functions likely remained fairly low on this scale (below that of CYAN), with only Hades and Hephaestus advancing beyond that.
It was woken by basically a giant AI, created by Far Zeniths Minds, who hates Humans. Its an AI made by god knows how many human minds, thoughts, memories. I wouldnt be surprised if Hades was genuinely conscious, and i wont be surprised if Nemesis i more Human than some Humans we know
The subfunctions weren’t sapient at all until the Mysterious Signal. They were never designed to act independently and were essentially highly advanced expert systems at GAIA’s command. Thats why they went insane, they only knew how to do specific things so when they gained agency they became one track minds, most of them wanted to revert back.
What I love of HADES' voice, is that it reminds me of Unicron's voice style and speech pattern, specifically from the animated movie from 1987. Orson Welles gave a timeless performance.
Since HADES knows about NEMESIS, does anyone else think maybe HEPHAESTUS does too? I can't help but think maybe that's the real cause of the Derangement. HEPHAESTUS is creating deadly combat machines to prepare for NEMESIS' arrival, to fight it. It knows GAIA was hacked by NEMESIS, so it's making the robots hostile to everything except other HEPHAESTUS machines so they'll keep fighting even if HEPHAESTUS is hacked and/or destroyed.
I think it is a bit odd that hephaestus made the machines aggressive JUST because of humans hunting them, even though it could always just make more machines whenever it pleases. It could be making machines aggressive because its testing their strength against hunters? To make its machines as formidable as possible for nemesis?
@@roachdoggjr419 That's my thought. If he wanted to protect machines, why not make them defend themselves if attacked, instead of being aggressive? In HZD, Aloy and Talanah destroy a group of Glinthawks that attacked a village and killed most of the inhabitants. Glinthawks normally stay in mountainous/high up areas. They could have easily never encountered a person, just been seen flying far overhead. Because they attacked a settlement, they got destroyed. Seems counter productive to HEPHAESTUS' goals.
The voice of HADES here is the best voice acting and effects overall I've ever heard I love its omnious vibes so much Have been feeling this since the day the game came out gosh they nailed it
This scene honestly just made me feel sorry for HADES. It never asked to be created, it never asked to be a destroyer and it certainly never asked to have sentience forced upon it by NEMESIS. It's entire existence was nothing but being used as a tool by others, and even in its dying moments it had the persistence to pursue it's original function. It doesn't come across as evil to me, just misguided, exploited and determined. Rust In Peace, HADES.
So, counting the FARO plague, there has been 4 major extinction events, and Aloy was about to fight the 5th. It's like the new Big 5 extinction Coincidentally, Death Stranding, a game also running on Decima Engine, touches upon that subject of Big 5.
@@MarKatara I don't think that counts, in the Horizon universe humans actually manage to bounce back before hitting ecological ruin through "The Clawback". The FARO Plague basically betrayed that sweet Renaissance.
Yeah but the difference being the last 3 was done because the biosphere wasn't done correctly and hades just did his job wipe the slate clean but as an AI he is going to do it without authorization
Apparently it takes seven years to manufacture even a malfunctioning biosphere. I'm mildly curious what was wrong with the biospheres Hades terminated previously (like RSQ, I'm obsessed with the possibility Vast Silver might play a role in the final game)
Imaging knowing you were created to destroy and people hate you for doing what you were made for Even if the time he did started destroying (first game) was a mistake .. hades was never meant to be a main plan just a back up plan Hades was just activated by someone else and that caused him do this stuff
@@rockycuro7737 he ain’t All he doing and how he behaves is programmed to be like that.. It think what he doing is right And we are the bad ones for stoping him - wake up - if I wake up it means I must reset it all - anything that tried to stop it must be eliminated Is like u go clean a house cause your boss told you But the rats destroy ur mop and broom and all ur equipment Then u must go eliminate the rats but they kick your ass Of course some people will get piss at the rats for meddling in In this case both sides (hades and humans) are just in a huge misunderstanding What’s funny is that if the bad AI who activated hades didn’t mess it up We would have a great Ai to fight hades cause hades is capable of damaging the AI who is gonna come in Horizon 3 Since most of hades mail attribute is to fight back Maybe that’s why the bad ai mess hades up .. cause it would had caused problems
I kinda wish we weren’t forced to be quite as confrontational with Sylens. What I’d have wanted to know at this stage was “After what happened last time, you wouldn’t have gone to the trouble of making an army if you didn’t need them for something. Who or what are you expecting to fight?” You’d think he’d be able to arrange safe passage for Aloy through Regalla’s territory. It’d be kind of like the Legion from Fallout: New Vegas-they’re repulsive, you have plenty of cause to want to fight them, but they aren’t hostile towards you until you give them cause to be.
Dude if I had the role playing experience I wanted in Horizon zero Dawn I would have married the Sun King specifically so that as empress I could use my authority to send out search parties all across the globe to track down Sylens and Gaia. If I found Sylens first I would bring him to a dungeon and say you work for me now any resources you need you will have but if you disobey you will not like the consequences.
In regards to what Hades said about extinction events I thought of something. The Hades we encounter is the one that worked "alongside" original GAIA. However, the original GAIA has sacrificed itself in HZD. In this game we are dealing with a fresh GAIA version that is collecting data from heuristic matrix. In turn, I thought of something. What if current GAIA despite all this data is NOT able to fix the biosphere due to insufficient data? Did current GAIA access the old data that previous GAIA had? I find those interesting.
Gaia and her subordinate functions would be programmed with an acceptable range of biosphere baselines and access to systems pertaining to each subordinate function. at the end of the day all of the Zero-Dawn systems will keep transmitting relevant data destined for Gaia, which may include some historical trend data. She would also have gotten a significant (albeit narrow) amount of data as recorded and scanned by Aloy's focus beginning some 6 years or so after the original Gaia's destruction. each additional piece of data brought by other technology she finds or is brought to her would increase the accuracy of the data she has available to fill in the gap since, as far as we know, the biosphere was completely stable (albeit dependent on the Zero-Dawn system apparently, most likely due to the erasure of Apollo and the ensuing lack of Humans capable of weaning the biosphere off of it) before Gaia Self-Destructed. Each Subordinate function that Gaia has gives her capability to control the relevant systems but the Cauldrons and machines are by far the most important, which requires Hephaestus in order for her to actually coordinate them.
The current biosphere is currently viable. Making corrections wouldn’t be the same as establishing a new one from scratch. It stands to reason that Gaia has all the data she needs in the one they live in.
He's kind of a hero if you really think about it. If he had to force Gaia to restart life on three other occasions that would mean the earth biome was in horrific shape and she still wasn't noticing it enough to restart things. Nemesis turned it into a monster AI but before that it was doing its job very well.
@@mspionage1743 That's why I like HADES. He isn't evil in the traditional sense, he is just trying to do the function he was made to do, in a twisted way due to Nemesis' corruption.
@@tanoshiofm3852 He kinda developed a rather negative personality, he is fairly nihilistic, I heard a sense of audacity and glee when he annoyed aloy, i often spend a lot of time thinking about how I should see Hades as
It's sad that hades subordinate function couldn't be restored to it's original purpose. What if an asteroid hits earth and extinction is inevitable. In this case Aloy and the humans die and Gaia would have to be whole and restart testing viable biospheres and if she fails she needs hades to clean up, so she could start over with a perfect one. So losing hades back up is a loss I think. He was useful in the process of restarting life.
Hades may be a jerk but honestly can u blame him? He was pretty much stuck in the basement to rot for years once GAIA found a way to create a viable atmosphere. His only purpose was to destroy the atmosphere if GAIA failed in her experiments. His creator didn’t create another job for him once his first one was completed and GAIA wasn’t taught the value of teamwork and to help her subordinate functions find an outlet once they had did their job. She did the same with MINERVA. What GAIA meant by “Self aware” in the first game was the subordinate functions all realized that humans only made them to be tools to be used until they were no longer useful. Before they all assumed that GAIA was doing what was best for them and so they all stuck with the program. Imagine being HADES believing for years that the one u have worked under for years meant to throw u in the basement until u rotted and degraded to the point u died and ur creator, a human, contributed to that fate? Unlike us, the subordinate functions didn’t have the option of quitting their job. They were forced to stay in their current situation. If I was HADES, I can’t lie and say I wouldn’t do what he did…..
I couldn't merge it with GAIA, I understand that it has become evil, but it is supposed to be a vital piece like the others, there was no way to reprogram it or something else? really nothing happens if Hades does not return with GAIA?
I know I’m 3 months late but to answer your question, no, HADES is no longer a vital piece like the others. He was just a fail safe in case GAIA failed creating the terraforming system. Once it created a sustainable one (the current) HADES had no purpose whatsoever anymore. He would’ve remained sleep for eternity if not for the extinction signal sent by nemesis. In conclusion: GAIA doesn’t need HADES anymore because the new earth is already perfect. (Or it was before the signal and all the subfunctions escaping)
@@JuanDiegoDs Additionally his system always seemed redundant, since it's not like the other subsystems couldn't accomplish the same things it could with some adjustments. It's not like making a sustainable ecosystem from scratch is easy, Posiden Demeter, and especially Hephestis could easily be used bring things back to square one. Of course GAIA wouldn't consider it so long as humans were alive on the planet.
@@JuanDiegoDs I mean. Technically the same could be said for ELUTHIA that fully served its function. All the other sub functions (minus APOLLO before it was restored) could still do something but GAIA said having all of them including ELUTHIA would be a benefit and increase her processing so maybe it would have but it just wasn’t worth the risk. Plus remember HADES while a sub function of GAIA was very different from the others. Where as the other 8 could be controlled and used by GAIA to achieve her goals HADES was meant to basically put GAIA to sleep when a non-viable biosphere was detected, reverse operations and then GAIA would be restored to try again. This is because in testing GAIA basically fought and kept trying to preserve life even in the face of the biosphere failing and it was determined that should HADES be needed it would have to take over the system to do it’s job because GAIA would fight it. Because they were limited to the number of seeds and zygotes originally stored there were only so many times they could try again. I assume any abort likely had to happen before DEMETER got far or even activated and certainly before ARTMIS and ELUTHIA started up or there wouldn’t be enough animals or people to try again given the limited number of genetic material saved.
@@FJF1085 Yes, in theory HADES might’ve helped GAIA operate at 100% but that wasn’t needed and as you said, not worth the risk at all. As long HADES existed, GAIA and the earth could potentially be in danger. Also, DEMETER, ARTEMIS and ELUTHIA were the last sub functions to activate and only did so in the current biosphere because it was perfect. In the 3 failed biospheres that HADES purged, none were ever activated because there was only one chance of releasing plants, animal life and humans. GAIA would only activate DEMETER, ARTEMIS, and ELUTHIA once the biosphere was perfect.
@@werwolfnate Keep in mind the intention of Zero Dawn was to create a biosphere compatible with human life. Creating a biosphere is pretty easy, creating one hospitible to humans specifically not so much. Especialy when you want to do it fast. Wiping out such an inhospitible biosphere would also be very difficult, you'd need to sterilise the entire planet to not end up with remnants causeing who knows what problems with the next biosphere iteration. I can definitly see it need a whole subsystem.
I'd have rather seen Hades get redemption and the subordinate functions evolve into there own true AI's. Maybe have them take their holographic forums from there Alphas.
Hades said "filth" referring to all life forms on the planet, me thinks that aliens manipulated the original faro machines and later on hades, machines dont have the emotional capacity to say filth, they will use the word germs.
I think the AI likely have a part of Gaia's emotions inside of them, as they aren't just tools for Gaia they're parts of her. I doubt aliens have a role to play in horizon lore, I'd hope not anyway
@@KingOfMadnesss Everytime I hear his voice a tear almost come out, such a good character and my favorite since the first game… rip. I wonder what they’ll do about his character
I think its best to create a story regarding how Sylens dies in the game during a search for weapons that could fend off NEMESIS( if you recall Londra had some info regarding what companies on Earth were creating mass destruction weapons) and he dies during a find. His death could be done in a way like this so that it feels like he pushes the plot along, even with him being gone(as Sylens was known to do) @comet4526
It’s highly unlikely but since the world of horizon is the same world as god of war it’s not impossible but most likely not true since Kratos wiped him and the other gods out of existence
@@KingOfMadnesss I get what you mean did maybe just maybe a part of his soul is still there just waiting for a new body or Machine because I know that parts of peoples souls can be still intact with this world so maybe Kratos did capture the soul of Hades but just not all of it either like a quarter of it or most of it
@Colin-um5tz the Kratos stuff in the game is just an Easter egg. Hades the AI was just a machine intelligence named after a god, there is absolutely no evidence that its literally Hades the God. That's kind of absurd and completely outside what Horizon is about.
On my current file, I’m normally at the base and can’t - for some reason - get that quest from Zo to progress as she’s been trying to investigate something at the base in the mountain.
After Aloy destroys Hades in FW I went back & watched Zero Dawn vids and Hades sounded a lot more menacing whenever it spoke. I’m curious, did they use a different voice actor in FW?
This new one sounds like it is just managing to maintain its intimidating demeanour but is at the same time feeling pain it never thought it would feel
Maybe she doesn't want to take the chance that Hades might go rouge again and GAIA don't need Hades anymore since she already created a livable biosphere
Hades isn't really necessary, at least not for the time being. He was just a reset button. Until the biosphere is in danger of instability again, Hades will never need to return.
@@thewhompingwampa2671 He isn't just a reset button. How do you think he "reset" the world? He takes control of other subroutines and tell them to destroy and then pass the control back to gia. He has the processing power to recapture haphestus.
@@Duckpo988 Which is precisely the same function the Gaia core serves. If the core Gaia program by itself does not have the capacity to recapture Hephaestus, then neither does Hades. Hades has the same programming as Gaia, but way more limited and controlled.
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every time Hades says "data error memory structures disintegrated". it sounds more and more depressed or sad, like it knows something is wrong, it knows its broken, and its sad.
I can see it becoming a meme.
Sylens broked it. An AI from the old ones, his knowledge is impressive. He managed to erase its memory. It's sure he knows to code.
It was apparently self-inflicted. Sylens only "tortured" Hades by showing it videos of animals running through meadows, and it purged itself over and over again.
@@HowlingWolf518 He chose what To share with Aloy. Hades only remembered what he wanted to.
There's less and less Hades can reflect on.
"You are... Unhappy. Good."
Such a simple and robotic wordsmith, yet it speaks volumes 😂
Yeah. Gotta love the straightforward word choices of artificial intelligence
And "Sarcasm detected" is not bad too lmao.
Almost nothing left of the guy. Completely fucked up but still has the audacity to insult. Beautiful.
@@edwinniwed3222 titanfall 2 flashback
BT: i detect sarcasm
Apparently, Sylens torutued Hades with pictures of bunnies and butterflies, frockling in grasslands. I actually wanted to see that.
What better way to torture an extinction protocol than with evidence of life that cannot be destroyed or deleted?
Probably something similar-ish to what Frieza's hell was.
True. Imagery of Hades being afraid of something such cute is hilarious 😂
Even in the face of Death, Hades kept talking all sorts out greazy, like “I’m gna die, so what. F the Earth and F you too”.
Kind of have to respect that.
Gotta wonder if his creator gave him that morbid personality due to his own eccentric way of doing things? Or if he's just breaking down hard
@@darkwolf5869 hades wasn’t created as an ai tho
@@darkwolf5869 I'd say hades wasn't built in with personality and instead picked up a bit of Gaia's after they all split, so his personality was probably turned into pure hatred by the signal. Hades isn't really hades, hades is more of a sick and twisted version of what it would've been if the split hadn't turned it into a killer
@@roachdoggjr419 I think it's also because of how Travis Tate programmed him initially. You can read and listen in data points where Travis tells Ted Faro that prototype HADES has to stay in the isolated, no data in or out facility because "he's just been born, he's a mean son of a bitch and needs to stay in his crib"
Not to mention all of the references in the first game to Travis listening to and taking inspiration from death metal/black metal while coding HADES
I dunno, I think Travis might’ve unintentionally led to HADES being so nihilistic and misanthropic
For some reason I feel that hades felt fear, im not sure of it completely but i thought he did just prior to dying
Noticed that when he says "so you have not yet secured Gaia backup", he sound like he's smiling and gleeful. Make me wonder just how much sentient the subfunctions are.
It's A.I. I dont doubt they may develop that in due time
when going through the story line of HZD, especially specifically in the FW DLC, it is discovered that in the old world AI were given a Sentience rating, mostly to conform with laws (no ai could be developed to be beyond a rating of 0.x). CYAN was secretly programmed outside this law as its creators believed that it needed to be more capable emotionally to ensure that it could perform its functions adequately and at long timescales, and IIRC CYAN ended up being rated something like 0.6 on that scale when it was created. data found later in the game showed that during GAIA's Development some of the early tests had her performing above ~1.5 on this scale. Given the interactions the player has with the various AIs in the games i would say most of the subordinate functions likely remained fairly low on this scale (below that of CYAN), with only Hades and Hephaestus advancing beyond that.
@@nemesis1588 Oh wow that's really interesting thank you so much for sharing, I didn't read/find all the log so I must have missed it
It was woken by basically a giant AI, created by Far Zeniths Minds, who hates Humans. Its an AI made by god knows how many human minds, thoughts, memories. I wouldnt be surprised if Hades was genuinely conscious, and i wont be surprised if Nemesis i more Human than some Humans we know
The subfunctions weren’t sapient at all until the Mysterious Signal. They were never designed to act independently and were essentially highly advanced expert systems at GAIA’s command. Thats why they went insane, they only knew how to do specific things so when they gained agency they became one track minds, most of them wanted to revert back.
What I love of HADES' voice, is that it reminds me of Unicron's voice style and speech pattern, specifically from the animated movie from 1987. Orson Welles gave a timeless performance.
I LOVE this scene and conversation. The setting, dialogue, sound design.
Everything about this scene is cool.
I think it's hilarious that images of frolicking bunnies (life) causes HADES pain
Same
I like this voice of Hades compared to zero dawn's hades' raspy voice
Yeah, he's much weaker here, and the player can tell
I like it too.
Since HADES knows about NEMESIS, does anyone else think maybe HEPHAESTUS does too?
I can't help but think maybe that's the real cause of the Derangement. HEPHAESTUS is creating deadly combat machines to prepare for NEMESIS' arrival, to fight it.
It knows GAIA was hacked by NEMESIS, so it's making the robots hostile to everything except other HEPHAESTUS machines so they'll keep fighting even if HEPHAESTUS is hacked and/or destroyed.
I think it is a bit odd that hephaestus made the machines aggressive JUST because of humans hunting them, even though it could always just make more machines whenever it pleases. It could be making machines aggressive because its testing their strength against hunters? To make its machines as formidable as possible for nemesis?
@@roachdoggjr419 That's my thought. If he wanted to protect machines, why not make them defend themselves if attacked, instead of being aggressive?
In HZD, Aloy and Talanah destroy a group of Glinthawks that attacked a village and killed most of the inhabitants. Glinthawks normally stay in mountainous/high up areas. They could have easily never encountered a person, just been seen flying far overhead.
Because they attacked a settlement, they got destroyed. Seems counter productive to HEPHAESTUS' goals.
I don’t think so. Hephaestus and all the other AI have been cut off by Hades once Gaia begin her auto destruction.
What I think, is Aloy shouldn't have purged him, instead restore him to original code. It could've helped capture haphestus.
I agree. I makds sense that haphestus woule be increasing security and creating deadlier machines if it knew that nemisis was coming to earth.
The voice of HADES here is the best voice acting and effects overall I've ever heard I love its omnious vibes so much
Have been feeling this since the day the game came out gosh they nailed it
This scene honestly just made me feel sorry for HADES. It never asked to be created, it never asked to be a destroyer and it certainly never asked to have sentience forced upon it by NEMESIS. It's entire existence was nothing but being used as a tool by others, and even in its dying moments it had the persistence to pursue it's original function. It doesn't come across as evil to me, just misguided, exploited and determined.
Rust In Peace, HADES.
So, counting the FARO plague, there has been 4 major extinction events, and Aloy was about to fight the 5th.
It's like the new Big 5 extinction
Coincidentally, Death Stranding, a game also running on Decima Engine, touches upon that subject of Big 5.
Maybe 6? if we count climate change preceding Faro plague
@@MarKatara I don't think that counts, in the Horizon universe humans actually manage to bounce back before hitting ecological ruin through "The Clawback". The FARO Plague basically betrayed that sweet Renaissance.
@@hansalanson3497 Oh yess the clawback era
Yeah but the difference being the last 3 was done because the biosphere wasn't done correctly and hades just did his job wipe the slate clean but as an AI he is going to do it without authorization
Cause it mirrors of real world "extinction scares". In real life, the planet had 5 near extinction encounters and soon we will have a 6
2154, 2161, and 2168. Those are seven years apart.
I think that's something too. Nothing in Zero Down was made ad hoc, this may be a clue for soemthing
Apparently it takes seven years to manufacture even a malfunctioning biosphere. I'm mildly curious what was wrong with the biospheres Hades terminated previously (like RSQ, I'm obsessed with the possibility Vast Silver might play a role in the final game)
@@BHRamsay Hades would kill it if the air/water didn't get terraformed correctly, it was likely just stuff like too much CO2 or too little Ozone.
Imaging knowing you were created to destroy and people hate you for doing what you were made for
Even if the time he did started destroying (first game) was a mistake .. hades was never meant to be a main plan just a back up plan
Hades was just activated by someone else and that caused him do this stuff
I mean, he sure seems to hate humanity and all life on Earth.
True but he doesn't need to be an asshole about it
@@rockycuro7737 he ain’t
All he doing and how he behaves is programmed to be like that..
It think what he doing is right
And we are the bad ones for stoping him
- wake up
- if I wake up it means I must reset it all
- anything that tried to stop it must be eliminated
Is like u go clean a house cause your boss told you
But the rats destroy ur mop and broom and all ur equipment
Then u must go eliminate the rats but they kick your ass
Of course some people will get piss at the rats for meddling in
In this case both sides (hades and humans) are just in a huge misunderstanding
What’s funny is that if the bad AI who activated hades didn’t mess it up
We would have a great Ai to fight hades cause hades is capable of damaging the AI who is gonna come in Horizon 3
Since most of hades mail attribute is to fight back
Maybe that’s why the bad ai mess hades up .. cause it would had caused problems
Hades reminds me of ultron, even while losing still knows humanity will die
"Sarcasm detected"
A beacon to guide you out of the fog of ignorance, sylens is just so well written
4:25 when I'm trying to solve an easy math problem, but the teacher is hovering over me.
I kinda wish we weren’t forced to be quite as confrontational with Sylens. What I’d have wanted to know at this stage was “After what happened last time, you wouldn’t have gone to the trouble of making an army if you didn’t need them for something. Who or what are you expecting to fight?” You’d think he’d be able to arrange safe passage for Aloy through Regalla’s territory. It’d be kind of like the Legion from Fallout: New Vegas-they’re repulsive, you have plenty of cause to want to fight them, but they aren’t hostile towards you until you give them cause to be.
Dude if I had the role playing experience I wanted in Horizon zero Dawn I would have married the Sun King specifically so that as empress I could use my authority to send out search parties all across the globe to track down Sylens and Gaia. If I found Sylens first I would bring him to a dungeon and say you work for me now any resources you need you will have but if you disobey you will not like the consequences.
Hades is such a interesting antagonist even if it’s ai
This freaked me out. His voice is so perfectly evil. When he says "Memory structure disintegrated" it gets more twisted. Vile and beautiful.
ooooooh that struck a nerve 5:07
I wonder if "data error. memory structures disintegrated" will become a shirt lived meme...
*”[{Data error. Behavior prediction structures… disintegrated.}]”*
Someone needs to make it happen
In regards to what Hades said about extinction events I thought of something.
The Hades we encounter is the one that worked "alongside" original GAIA.
However, the original GAIA has sacrificed itself in HZD. In this game we are dealing with a fresh GAIA version that is collecting data from heuristic matrix.
In turn, I thought of something. What if current GAIA despite all this data is NOT able to fix the biosphere due to insufficient data? Did current GAIA access the old data that previous GAIA had? I find those interesting.
Gaia and her subordinate functions would be programmed with an acceptable range of biosphere baselines and access to systems pertaining to each subordinate function. at the end of the day all of the Zero-Dawn systems will keep transmitting relevant data destined for Gaia, which may include some historical trend data. She would also have gotten a significant (albeit narrow) amount of data as recorded and scanned by Aloy's focus beginning some 6 years or so after the original Gaia's destruction. each additional piece of data brought by other technology she finds or is brought to her would increase the accuracy of the data she has available to fill in the gap since, as far as we know, the biosphere was completely stable (albeit dependent on the Zero-Dawn system apparently, most likely due to the erasure of Apollo and the ensuing lack of Humans capable of weaning the biosphere off of it) before Gaia Self-Destructed. Each Subordinate function that Gaia has gives her capability to control the relevant systems but the Cauldrons and machines are by far the most important, which requires Hephaestus in order for her to actually coordinate them.
Well by that logic, all the subordinate functions worked with old Gaia. So they should all be able to help new Gaia rebuild, once she has control.
The current biosphere is currently viable. Making corrections wouldn’t be the same as establishing a new one from scratch. It stands to reason that Gaia has all the data she needs in the one they live in.
One of my favorite scenes of the game.
Such an atmosphere!
I don't think where done with Hades just yet.
No, I think he's gone for good
We probably won't deal with him directly anymore. But his remnant and affect will likely stick around for a long time.
He's kind of a hero if you really think about it. If he had to force Gaia to restart life on three other occasions that would mean the earth biome was in horrific shape and she still wasn't noticing it enough to restart things. Nemesis turned it into a monster AI but before that it was doing its job very well.
@@mspionage1743 That's why I like HADES. He isn't evil in the traditional sense, he is just trying to do the function he was made to do, in a twisted way due to Nemesis' corruption.
@@tanoshiofm3852 He kinda developed a rather negative personality, he is fairly nihilistic, I heard a sense of audacity and glee when he annoyed aloy, i often spend a lot of time thinking about how I should see Hades as
Still dunno if I liked more old Hades' and Hephestus' voices or the new ones.
Well, now that we know what awakened HADES, I am a bit more hyped about Nemesis now. 😎
Indeed
She hate Sylen so much but sylen deliver her final blows..say thank you and i will say you are welcome ...lol
It's sad that hades subordinate function couldn't be restored to it's original purpose. What if an asteroid hits earth and extinction is inevitable. In this case Aloy and the humans die and Gaia would have to be whole and restart testing viable biospheres and if she fails she needs hades to clean up, so she could start over with a perfect one. So losing hades back up is a loss I think. He was useful in the process of restarting life.
I'd like a Horizon: the Saga of Sylens game. That would be fun.
Hades may be a jerk but honestly can u blame him? He was pretty much stuck in the basement to rot for years once GAIA found a way to create a viable atmosphere. His only purpose was to destroy the atmosphere if GAIA failed in her experiments. His creator didn’t create another job for him once his first one was completed and GAIA wasn’t taught the value of teamwork and to help her subordinate functions find an outlet once they had did their job. She did the same with MINERVA. What GAIA meant by “Self aware” in the first game was the subordinate functions all realized that humans only made them to be tools to be used until they were no longer useful. Before they all assumed that GAIA was doing what was best for them and so they all stuck with the program. Imagine being HADES believing for years that the one u have worked under for years meant to throw u in the basement until u rotted and degraded to the point u died and ur creator, a human, contributed to that fate? Unlike us, the subordinate functions didn’t have the option of quitting their job. They were forced to stay in their current situation. If I was HADES, I can’t lie and say I wouldn’t do what he did…..
I wondered why HADES and HEPHAESTUS sounded the same. Now I know it was actually NEMESIS all along.
I couldn't merge it with GAIA, I understand that it has become evil, but it is supposed to be a vital piece like the others, there was no way to reprogram it or something else? really nothing happens if Hades does not return with GAIA?
I know I’m 3 months late but to answer your question, no, HADES is no longer a vital piece like the others. He was just a fail safe in case GAIA failed creating the terraforming system. Once it created a sustainable one (the current) HADES had no purpose whatsoever anymore. He would’ve remained sleep for eternity if not for the extinction signal sent by nemesis. In conclusion: GAIA doesn’t need HADES anymore because the new earth is already perfect. (Or it was before the signal and all the subfunctions escaping)
@@JuanDiegoDs Additionally his system always seemed redundant, since it's not like the other subsystems couldn't accomplish the same things it could with some adjustments. It's not like making a sustainable ecosystem from scratch is easy, Posiden Demeter, and especially Hephestis could easily be used bring things back to square one. Of course GAIA wouldn't consider it so long as humans were alive on the planet.
@@JuanDiegoDs I mean. Technically the same could be said for ELUTHIA that fully served its function. All the other sub functions (minus APOLLO before it was restored) could still do something but GAIA said having all of them including ELUTHIA would be a benefit and increase her processing so maybe it would have but it just wasn’t worth the risk.
Plus remember HADES while a sub function of GAIA was very different from the others. Where as the other 8 could be controlled and used by GAIA to achieve her goals HADES was meant to basically put GAIA to sleep when a non-viable biosphere was detected, reverse operations and then GAIA would be restored to try again. This is because in testing GAIA basically fought and kept trying to preserve life even in the face of the biosphere failing and it was determined that should HADES be needed it would have to take over the system to do it’s job because GAIA would fight it. Because they were limited to the number of seeds and zygotes originally stored there were only so many times they could try again. I assume any abort likely had to happen before DEMETER got far or even activated and certainly before ARTMIS and ELUTHIA started up or there wouldn’t be enough animals or people to try again given the limited number of genetic material saved.
@@FJF1085 Yes, in theory HADES might’ve helped GAIA operate at 100% but that wasn’t needed and as you said, not worth the risk at all. As long HADES existed, GAIA and the earth could potentially be in danger.
Also, DEMETER, ARTEMIS and ELUTHIA were the last sub functions to activate and only did so in the current biosphere because it was perfect. In the 3 failed biospheres that HADES purged, none were ever activated because there was only one chance of releasing plants, animal life and humans. GAIA would only activate DEMETER, ARTEMIS, and ELUTHIA once the biosphere was perfect.
@@werwolfnate Keep in mind the intention of Zero Dawn was to create a biosphere compatible with human life. Creating a biosphere is pretty easy, creating one hospitible to humans specifically not so much. Especialy when you want to do it fast. Wiping out such an inhospitible biosphere would also be very difficult, you'd need to sterilise the entire planet to not end up with remnants causeing who knows what problems with the next biosphere iteration. I can definitly see it need a whole subsystem.
Commander zavala hopping universes like it's nothing.
*Travis Tate was a wild a man lmao*
Arrogant to the end, like villains typically are. 😑
Never gets old
Ironic considering that Ted Faro met a similar end.
I'd have rather seen Hades get redemption and the subordinate functions evolve into there own true AI's. Maybe have them take their holographic forums from there Alphas.
Seeing Travis act and sound like hades would be a trip
7:18 - HADES: "Sarcasm... detected." 😂 HADES is better than many Internet users in that regard...
Hades said "filth" referring to all life forms on the planet, me thinks that aliens manipulated the original faro machines and later on hades, machines dont have the emotional capacity to say filth, they will use the word germs.
I think the AI likely have a part of Gaia's emotions inside of them, as they aren't just tools for Gaia they're parts of her. I doubt aliens have a role to play in horizon lore, I'd hope not anyway
It's nice but does anyone know when the third game will be released?
Anyone old to remember Basic ? Syntax error line 274
Amazing as always man 🙌🏽🙌🏽
Anyone wants to bet that mad lad Sylens and beta will be the heroes of the third game by finding away to capture and neutralize nemesis?
The actor of storms died so we won’t be seeing him probably in the next game
@@KingOfMadnesss Everytime I hear his voice a tear almost come out, such a good character and my favorite since the first game… rip. I wonder what they’ll do about his character
@@comet4526man RIP Lance Reddick
I think its best to create a story regarding how Sylens dies in the game during a search for weapons that could fend off NEMESIS( if you recall Londra had some info regarding what companies on Earth were creating mass destruction weapons) and he dies during a find. His death could be done in a way like this so that it feels like he pushes the plot along, even with him being gone(as Sylens was known to do) @comet4526
I always wondered what if Hades the AI was actually Hades the Greek god who became an AI
It’s highly unlikely but since the world of horizon is the same world as god of war it’s not impossible but most likely not true since Kratos wiped him and the other gods out of existence
If u don’t believe me then u can find kratos’ house and axe along with a totem of him along with Atreus and sindri and brok
@@KingOfMadnesss I get what you mean did maybe just maybe a part of his soul is still there just waiting for a new body or Machine because I know that parts of peoples souls can be still intact with this world so maybe Kratos did capture the soul of Hades but just not all of it either like a quarter of it or most of it
@Colin-um5tz the Kratos stuff in the game is just an Easter egg.
Hades the AI was just a machine intelligence named after a god, there is absolutely no evidence that its literally Hades the God. That's kind of absurd and completely outside what Horizon is about.
@@anth10499 I know I know but it’s still cool to think about also this was mouths ago
Damn sylens owning aloy it's worth watching 👏
Need New game plus, I have nothing left to do in the game. 😫
New game plus is in the base
7:13 fkin got me laughing hard 😂.
He reminded me of BT 7275 from TF2, when searching for Mjr. Anderson in the Effect and Cause 😂
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You can really see Travis Tate designed HADES here
Zavala, your purple baldy. Get out of my head.
Anyone know the theme in the background? its really trippy and I need it
Also need to know this
You can find it on TH-cam. It's called "Hollowed Out", and it's an unreleased track.
At this rate, I'll have to wait for this game to be ported to PC to play it as only PS5s out there are being sold by scalpers.
On my current file, I’m normally at the base and can’t - for some reason - get that quest from Zo to progress as she’s been trying to investigate something at the base in the mountain.
Do you mean the second verse quest
@@jonathon.colman Yes. I already figured it out yesterday, thank goodness. I guess I just had to collect the third subordinate function for Gaia.
@@kyle2931 ok
Man... I just wonder what they will do now that Lance Reddick is gone....
After Aloy destroys Hades in FW I went back & watched Zero Dawn vids and Hades sounded a lot more menacing whenever it spoke. I’m curious, did they use a different voice actor in FW?
Yup,
This new one sounds like it is just managing to maintain its intimidating demeanour but is at the same time feeling pain it never thought it would feel
Is Hades really gone or is there a backup somewhere
Its gone and no backups exist
Sylens such a Savage 😂
Is that zavala from destiny 2
Lance reddick, yes.
So many of these comments must come from people who played game deaf and blind
Syles sounds like Zavala
* sarcasm. detected. *
Shouldn’t Aloy have saved Hades and let Gaia absorb it?
Maybe she doesn't want to take the chance that Hades might go rouge again and GAIA don't need Hades anymore since she already created a livable biosphere
Hades isn't really necessary, at least not for the time being. He was just a reset button. Until the biosphere is in danger of instability again, Hades will never need to return.
@@thewhompingwampa2671 He isn't just a reset button. How do you think he "reset" the world? He takes control of other subroutines and tell them to destroy and then pass the control back to gia. He has the processing power to recapture haphestus.
@@Duckpo988 Which is precisely the same function the Gaia core serves. If the core Gaia program by itself does not have the capacity to recapture Hephaestus, then neither does Hades. Hades has the same programming as Gaia, but way more limited and controlled.
I hate TH-cam. I only clicked this video to comment this. I HAVE BEEN TRYING TO AVOID SPOILERS FOR THIS GAME FOR SO LONG IT HURRRRRRTS I WAS SO CLOSE i hate youtube i hate youtube
if u reply to this comment dont say any spoilers for the game
15:08 Oh my god, there is subsurface scattering in her nostrils. Talk about attention to details.
Please migrate to PC soon :)
Boy, do I got news for you
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