I'm not sure what is your intention here... How should be The Hybrid Shooter and other reviewers more honest? Nikon hunting and slow focusing is clearly visible in his video. Do you want him to lie and say that there is no hunting just to make Nikon fanboys happy? He didn't choose that test to make Nikon fail, he does the same test with every camera that he tests on his channel... You, on the other hand, have clearly manipulated settings to make the Sony perform worse. The scene that you chose is weird to say the least. Why didn you use Auto ISO on Nikon in the first test but not on Sony? Why are you deliberately overexposing or underexposing every Sony shot in this video.... Nikon focusing at 3:35 appears to be sped up, judging by the speed at which the exp. compensation changes. Not to mention that you have underexposed Sony again. This is really sad.
I am happy that like your A7iii! That’s awesome! You have 3 points here: 1) Why do I disagree with other reviewers. 2) Why such a weird test? 3) And why no auto iso? Here you go: 1) I did my own test and the results are here for you to see. I find other reviewers a bit motivated. I just shared my experience. I could have no chosen to share as well. 2) My weird little test is a common compositional technique. To shoot a person between a door and a wall... haha no my friend that’s not weird. Ask any wedding photographer or photojournalist. But yes it’s very confusing for any camera. 3) Auto iso? Does that bother you? That’s just SNR! Sony had the advantage of more light (signal) with a 1.4 lens and it was a native lens. The Nikon used a 1.8 lens that too adapted! And you’re worried about ISO? Ok look at the Z6 beat the Sony a7iii at -1.5 ev. The face was completely dark. For get the Z6II. How did the Z6 do it? Come back with a better argument. What’s sad is the 7 fake like ma you got to your comment. My channel is really not big enough for your comment to get 7 likes within half an hour of posting that comment. Live and let live man!
@@FramesTM I don't own A7 III. 1) so did he, with his standardized procedure and with same settings (unlike you). I find you a bit motivated. My question was what should they say when they see that Sony is simply performing better. Should they lie? 2) Ok, if that is what you choose, although I don't think that it is very representative situation. 3)Sony had much larger disadvantage of shallower depth of field. That by itself makes your test irrelevant. Yes, I am bothered by Auto ISO because the AF has much easier job when it can choose exposure. Forget Z6 II. The question (that I just answered) is why A7 III didn't do it. It is also funny how you cut Sony sample at 0:55 when it was starting to acquire the focus :) I shred this in a FB group, so the likes are probably from there.
I found the review you’re talking about quite skewed. And I know that the actual performance is far from the truth. To answer your main question: What should I say if I see that the Sony didn’t perform as well and the Z6? Now, let’s get one thing clear: if a system has a 1.4, then it’s bodies must be designed to work with that DOF. More light is NOT a disadvantage. It’s an advantage. If more light is a disadvantage then why have you been complaining about ISO? That’s not even actually light! 🙂 Did you ask your favourite reviewer how he concluded that Z6II’s 4K 60 is not so good quality? Where was the test? Did you also ask him, why his colour tests didn’t include skin colour tests? Not so objective as you claim maybe isn’t it! Anyhow, good talking to you. Take care! Explained enough.
@@FramesTM No, you didn't explain anything. I find this video extremely skewed and results to be very far from truth, that is not an answer. I asked you first, so you are the one who should answer, you are the one calling others dishonest. Again, shallow depth of field makes the focusing more difficult, incorrect exposure also makes the focusing more difficult. Sorry, but I prefer to trust reviews with equal conditions, others have also pointed that out. I rewatched his review, he showed both skin color sample and 4K 60p sample.
@@FramesTM right as any brand, Nikon had it revolutionary moment back when the D3 released; but now Nikon even with the Z9 they are still behind eye af Canon already Surpassed Sony and The eye af of the Z9 is still not sticky and accurate as the other brands.
I'd like to ask your truly honest opinion. I am a hobbyist landscape photographer. I have a Z6. I don't want more than a 24Mp camera. Although the Zf looks very appealing to me, I was thinking of upgrading to a Z6 II. The reason is that the AF on the Z6 sometimes struggles, especially when I shoot videos for TH-cam. Also, when I shoot people, like live music gigs with high ISO in low-light, it is hard for me to trust the AF of the original Z6. The Z6 II now comes at a very competitive price. It is at 1100 Euros or 97,906.15 Rupees. The Zf comes at 1800 Euros or 160,210.08 Rupees. So, what would you do, personally? Would you buy a Z6 II and spend the rest of your available money elsewhere? Or buy the Zf which definitely is a less ergonomic camera with fewer buttons etc.
For your use case, if 10bit log is not a requirement in video and ‘very difficult’ low light af situations isn’t something you face, you should (I would) go for the the Z6II.
I think after Z9 Nikon should announce Z6III because A7iv is already released and I don't think after releasing a 45mp sensor Z9 it make sense release another high megapixel camera like Z7III or Z8 with 50/60mp sensor. because that will slow and you know 4k video out of high MP sensor used to be softer. a 25/30mp Z6III make more sense with Z9 autofocus, without mechanical shutter and evf with real time view without any delay or blackout. 6k/4k 10bit N-Raw video internal recording for future proofing the camera. it will get very popular in content creators who do photography and make video/films. maybe Nikon will endup dropping 2 cameras together but there is big need to have a Z6III to compete with these mid range FF Mirrorless cameras.
You make sense. I think Z7III could be that photo centric high res camera. And Z6III will become the entry level prosumer body. There is a gap and that gap is in a 1. video powerhouse do it all body than can do 4k 120/240 with internal 10bit and raw. And 2nd gap is a pro crop body. One thing is clear. Nikon’s lineup isn’t clear right now.
@@FramesTM yes , and Nikon should not waste too much time. at least they should announce something because there are many people i see on reddit communities and in YT comment section who are Nikon users but can't afford Z9 or don't need it and they are in a situation where they may endup switching to other brand. everyone talking about 50/60mp Z7III or Z8 but Z6III is what Nikon need for Photo/Video shooters. but 6k 60fps 10 bit internal to future proof it. and its not something impossible as some articles says N-Raw will take less storage then other Raw video codec and expeed 7 on Z6III will be powerful enough to handle it. many D750/780 users and Z6 users will switch to it.
I came from the Nikon d5100 and I"ve seen people saying Oh Nikon Z auto focus does not work and I grabbed and boom I started getting bangers one after the other. Wish I could show you guys some of my shots
I was planning for nikon z6 ii, and my budget was 1.5 to 1.8 lk with lens, now I am confused should I wait sony A7 Iv for this in this range, kindly guide me sir
I feel the next gen Nikon bodies need to be updated to be more customizable for dual back button focus etc. I think their autofocus system just needs some wildlife algorithms and they are pretty well there.
are you work for Nikon? why did you use wrong focus settings on A7iii? how the hell camera face detection focus on human when you kept manual focus somewhere else?
I stand behind my Nikon Z7 II and Z6 II in autofocus. It works excellent - most who complain about Autofocus simply do not know how the autofocus system works with Nikon - Fro knows nothing and has been kicked to the curb by Nikon along with a few other Nikon Bashers. I will never move away from Nikon.
I subbed because i really love indian friends, however i think if you did an example of the nikon red box focusing along with the eye tracking i would have really appreciated it! Thanks
You can shoot great pictures with any any Camera. I am Sony shooter am aware of the shortcomings you explained here. Nikon experienced a bit of a fall after releasing the D850 at the same time as Sony released the A7r3 and A73 ….. They will be coming out strong once their financial situation has improved
I think it was the marketing of the Z7 to "re-invent Mirrorless" from Nikon and the Z mount would revolutionize lens making that set the stage for a negative customer experience. I bought the Z7 and was disappointed overall in its performance. I now have the Z7 II and much happier in the capabilities.
I'm also in a cross road on which system to choose. . nikon z6ii or sony a7iii. Heard that the primes of nikon z is better. . .I would be happy if any suggestions is given. .
Hello...I have bought the nikon z6ii with 35mm 50mm and 85mm prime lens. . .I have a problem.... The focusing sound is kinda annoying from the lenses.... Is it normal.....
Hi, thx for the video. Is it theoretically possible to upgrade the z6ii 60 fps 4k from 8 bit to 10 bit (external/external to Ninja) via a software update?
Not sure if I read your question right. It should be theoretically possible to update fw to allow it to record 10bit internally if the processing power allows that. But I think it will overheat in that case or maybe it will be limited to 10 minutes
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Nikon Z cameras are fucking beautiful. Yes, the first gen AF was not up to par in SOME applications. For example, I shoot wildlife and I simply cannot compare my D500 or D850 AF to that of my Z6. But for virtually any other application, the Z cameras are a thing of immeasurable beauty. Nikon just does it right. The colors. The ergonomics. The picture quality. Everything is just gorgeous. I have had the Canon 5D mk IV as well as Sony A7R3 but I just cannot get used to Sony or Canon. Obviously, that is extremely personal but Nikon and Olympus are my two absolute favorite camera systems and maybe it’s because I have a thing for companies with a shrinking market share LOL
Hahaha I will add Fuji to that list. Btw, I add a 3rd system to my kitty. Because I am crazy like that. What do you suggest? Sony or Olympus? I use Fuji and Nikon right now!
@@FramesTM Given my already established love for the system, I must say Olympus but I will support my suggestion with a few reasons listed below 👇 -Olympus colors are considered to be the best in the industry along with amazing JPEGs. -Several thousand dollars cheaper than a complete Sony system -More customizable than virtually any mirrorless system -Industry best weather sealing -Tiny sensor which still delivers 90% of IQ the comparable Sony FF sensor and delivers 100% and even exceeds in handheld 50 MP mode. - Industry best image stabilization that allows me to handhold down to 2 seconds. -The space a A7III with a 50mm takes, it can fit an Olympus body and three of the 1.8 primes which also happen to be the only lenses to produce amazing pictures and they can fit in your pocket. -Fully articulating screens on most bodies and the bodies are lovely, both ergonomically and aesthetically.
It took Sony 3 A7 models to get it right, Nikon pretty much matched their AF on their Z6ii (2nd model) with a 1.20 firmware update (More updates to come). 🤔 Imagine what their Z6iii will be like....
@@FramesTM No, I've been a nikon user, been thinking to switch to Sony, when changing to mirrorless. because I've liked the Eye Af on the Sony, the Sony file not so much. but when the z6ii was announced I jumped on that instead. I just love the nikon picture quality.
Nikon Z6II is really good value. It is by far Nikon's best compromised mirrorless body. It hit the sweetspot between photo and videos. The Z lenses only improves the overall value for the Z6Ii. Honestly, it is the Nikon's colour science that triumph's over other brands really... Just print without edit to see the big difference?
@@FramesTM My old 14-24 F lense was good in it's day but the Z 14-24 is totally a different beast altogether. Even when you stop down at f2.8, the edges are pin sharp! Be it on broad daylight or astro photography. I've yet to test out the 50 f1.2. Many said it rivals the Leica Summicron 50mm
Hi Frames - if I am not mistaken you mislabeled the Nikon and Sony cameras on your demonstration at the 3:58 mark of your video - it appears you label the Sony example as Z6II and vice versa. Nice video over all :)
I am a Sony user and we all have to stop worrying about who has a better camera and start arguing about who is a better photographer, come shoot Bald Eagles with me and the loser buys dinner LOLOL ✌
I am a long time Nikon user and currently use a D750 and D850. I've been reluctant to migrate to the Z series bodies for several reasons. Perhaps the first should be because Nikon is pretty far behind SONY and CANON. Second is I have a lot a F mount glass and do NOT want to have to replace those lenses. At best, I would keep all that glass and use the FTZ mount to adapt the F mount lenses to the larger Z mount and then start buying native Z lenses. Despite being a long time Nikon user, I am not so blind that I apologize for their several well known failings that include arrogance, hubris, being late to the mirrorless game and severe problems with their supply chain. Likewise, Nikon is a much smaller company than either SONY or Canon and its many mistakes have helped magnify (no pun intended) their financial problems. I sincerely hope Nikon can fix its problems as I would hate to see them go the way of Minolta and Olympus.
Naah I don’t buy that. Nikon doesn’t produce attitudes like arrogance and hubris. Those are myths created by that Angry guy. Mistake that comes to mind is not marketing well and not capturing the content creator market with cheap hybrid cameras early on. Because those are the people who produce nonsense like “Nikon will go out of business” as if they have any idea about what they’re talking about. I did two videos with deep analysis of their financials and heir culture. Every point that I speak is backed by data. Not my insecurity about Nikon nor the fanboy chemistry for Sony or Canon or Fuji. I actually like Sony. But they’re not durable. I like Fuji. But they’re overhyped. I don’t like Canon because they seem to push people to buy more unnecessary. The questions that you should ask yourself: 1. Is Z system better than the D cameras. 2. Can I use most of those lenses? 3. Do I need 10bit 422 and RAW video? And for bragging rights: Can I wait 6 months for Z9?
@@FramesTM I don't do video so that aspect of the Z bodies is of no importance to me. Nikon is an ARROGANT company. I also happen to know quite a few people who work for them or worked for them as in past tense. I am not insecure about Nikon and I take the Angry Photographer's comments with a grain of salt. One thing you need to realize is he does not have ANY AFFILIATE links, so he makes no money whatsoever from manufacturers. So with that in mind, neither you nor anyone else can accurately state he's a FANBOY. I am quite a bit older than you so I've seen Nikon in action over the past 50 years and their hubris has been in play for years. They believed that they were the best and in accordance with that mindset and in the pre-mirrorless days, they only worried about one company and that was CANON. SONY has changed that dynamic forever. Think and spew what you want, but Nikon was too late to mirrorless to catch up, let alone actively compete. Additionally, their first gen Z cameras with their single card slots, no battery grip attachment capability and at the time, very limited native lens offerings meant that staying in the game long term would be problematic. The one smart thing they did provide with the release of the Z system was the FTZ adapter. I am a fan of Nikon but not a fanboy. I am involved in IT and Technology procurement and Nikon's supply chain issues are almost legendary and they went all the way back to pre-digital days. And as a reminder of their ongoing financial problems, Nikon continues to downsize their workforce in the USA and decrease the staffing of Nikon Professional Services. Think what you want, but Nikon is IN TROUBLE financially.
Nikon is pretty far behind Sony and Canon? Hmm.. Don't think so, but that's not the Point. The original Z6 is so much better in Autofocus as your D750, there is absolute no Reason for you not to change. Coming from a D750, you will love the Z6. It's so much better. There is no Problem using old Nikon Lenses with FTZ on the Z-System. It's true, it's not the best Performance you can get with a Z Camera, but you lose nothing compared to a D750. The Autofocussystem of your D850 is sligthly a little bit better as Z7, but direct compared with a Z7II, i think again the Z-System wins.
@@PatrickFeldhusen Actually, yes Nikon is still lagging behind SONY and Canon Nikon fanboy. I don't do video, so what is the compelling reason for me to go mirrorless at this time? None that I can see. Yes, I know I can get the FTZ adapter which allows me to use F mount glass, but one of the main reasons for the Z mount is that it is so much bigger and the lens flanges closer to the sensor allowing for light gathering. That said, Nikon STILL does NOT have a large stable of native Z mount glass and SONY beat both Canon and Nikon to the starting line by having more glass available. So, yes, Nikon is STILL behind SONY in that regard. The Nikon Z6 and Z7 first generation cameras had a lot of limitations that turned people off, myself included. SONY and CANON Eye AF is still more developed and refined than Nikon's is. Maybe with the 3rd generation Zs from Nikon will deserve me taking a look but the type of photography I do does NOT make a compelling reason for me to abandon my DSLRs for Nikon's 1st and 2nd Gen mirrorless bodies. Here's another thing to keep in mind: Nikon's pro-level Z9 has not yet been released and Nikon continues to cut their R & D budgets. So then, how do you expect to compete and stay even with SONY and Canon? The answer is this: they can't. As for reasons to change, you also omitted cost factors and how will new gear improve my photography? The cost to switch (at this time) is a compelling reason NOT to. The fact that I don't do video at all also means that the video capabilities of the Z6ii are a non-starter. Quite frankly, your argument is a very weak one and just your opinion. You are entitled to your own opinion but you are not entitled to your own facts.
Just on Canon v Nikon on this comment - What eric and bill photography and taylor Jackson on nikon v canon AF - both are nikon users both admit canons AF is better. They are behind
I don‘t think anybody with their minds set straight would deny that the R5 has better AF than any current Nikon. The problem which this video is addressing is that many outlets on youtube make you believe that all Sony cameras down to the A7III deliver the same AF performance. From my experience the only thing the A7III‘s AF can clearly do better than the Z6II is its lock on tracking. Especially on telelenses Nikon’s tracking box is mostly useless, while Sony‘s works pretty well
It sursprise me that one of this days a friend thell me that he recently buy a a6400 and that he not choose the a6500 couse the only diference is the "eye autofocus" and i was like "MTF but nikon have aye autofocus on the Z50. The Fuck sony! Correct me if im wrong.
If the camera offers Eye AF, why wouldn't anyone use it in that situation? The advantage of tracking is it holds the focus point, freeing up the photographer up to concentrate on composition and not moving focus points around. And, we're in the context of testing tracking features here. Single point is fine - but Eye AF is much more useful for dynamic subjects (toddlers, moving subjects etc.). I think there's a use case for all AF modes.
I picked up a sony a7iii in a store, hated the feel, hated the button placement. I have a z6ii and sure, it has some issues, but ....what doesn't? My autofocus does what i want almost all the time
Different settings in the first “test” already way to falsify results to fit your opinion. Reshoot the video with exactly the same settings on both cameras and using equivalent lenses
Let me explain: The Sony got 2/3rd more light with the 1.4 lens. It was shooting at +1 EV and on a native lens. The Nikon shot at 0ev. Auto ISO adjusted to 1100 once maximum, compared to Sony’s fixed 800. And was shot on an adapted lens. So what exactly are you talking about?
@@FramesTM different apertures, no Exposure compensation vs Exposure compensation. Native lens vs adapted lens, different iso. Just try it with the same Iso (no auto iso), same aperture, same ShutterSpeed (what you did), no Exposure compensation. Why does every other TH-cam get different results? not speaking about the Angry one but other serious one
I said that the Nikon does better. Despite the adapted lens. Despite an 1.8 lens. Sony had two big advantages. But it still couldn’t detect the eye. The Nikon did despite all the criticism that it gets. In fact the first Gen Z6 did better than the Sony at -1.5EV. Charles, the exposure compensation argument is irrelevant because The Sony had +1 exposure. The Nikon’s operated at 0 or -1 to -1.5. Are you registering what I am saying here and on the video? I can’t speak for other people. I don’t trust them.
you said Jarred did not use right settings - I have a73 a7r3 z6ii. and have no problem with focusing between a door gap with Sonys . I mostly use Flex spot vs wide area and yes if you focus on a white wall all systems will struggle. on your test with camera on bed you had Sony a73 -1.0 and Nikon at plus one and white balance totally different - so not a fair equal test - not saying that invalidated results totally but why not use same settings and you are using wide area on Sony vs a box on Nikkon just don't get why on your side by side comparison like girl walking from distance. your ISO on Sony was 250 and one stop exposure while Nikon iso 800 and exposure plus 2 and actually you had the wrong Labels - you had Sony all over exposed which means it is harder to focus yes Nikon has improved by firmware updates but as using both I say that the Sony focusing is better - as I find it more logical what mode to use and when vs Z6 requires more thinking and changes yes Nikon is very close in most ways - and of course the A73 is an older camera - it is possible that in some few cases that the Z6 might do marginally better but my experience is that I can rely a bit more on the Sony a73 AFC as I do seldom have to change settings It is hard to do comparisons unless both cameras on same tripod and with exact settings and even then not totally fair as background might be a food a part and can impact Glad to see Nikon improving AFC and yes A74 will sure have improved tracking and focus - but the main thing now is both cameras the A73 and Z6 are both fantastic cameras and sub $2000 - but Sony FE system has just so many native FE lenses both from Sony and Viltrox and Tamron and Sigma and others that consumer has wider selection and price ranges to choose from - yes Nikon is adding some more but still very few native to choose from my complain with Z6 is few customizable buttons - main Sony A73 complain is back LCD
Valuable perspective... I take note from your suggestions and thank you for them. Like your said they’re neck to neck. Really looking forward to the Z8 and the A7iv!
Hey Jon I have a question for you. I've been with Nikon for a long time. I use Z6II. Great camera except eye AF needs work. My biggest problem with Z6II is in low light at a wedding reception or dance floor. When I push iso to 3200 image looks little muddy and AF is very slow. I wanted to see what you think and if you have used the 3 cameras in those situations?
@@markuehlein805 If you use Low Light setting to On - you set to Contrast Focusing only - Low light focus setting is good only for still objects but works well - but if objects is moving I would turn the Low Light Setting off as you then go into PDAF which is good for moving objects but cannot focus as well in very low light I feel the Sony A iii do a bit better in very low light the Sony a7r III is not as good but close - so check to see if you have Low Light setting ON - I would set to OFF if there is motion however slow - the Z6 II is very nice, but with Low Light setting On goes into Contrast AF and have a feeling some other processing and then focus becomes very slow and any slight movement will make image blurry - but with Setting Off then I would say close to Sony's if object moving - just feel that Sony's a bit more sure
@@jonhermannsson9231 I was using AF low light assist with people and on dance floor. No wonder it was so slow and sluggish. Thanks for the tip greatly appreciated 🙏
Wow... this is surprising to see Sony struggling to set the focus.. this is new to me.. glad nikon nailing it so quick..😍😍👌👌well I'm a Nikon fan and using D7500..
I started on a D7500, back in 2017 when everyone was talking trash about it, only because it had one card slot. Everyone was jumping to Sony at the time and getting worse images than I did with my D7500. Fast forward to this year, back in February I started to book more clients and making enough money to upgrade to Z6ll and it was the best decision ever. I am now watching videos, deciding to get the second Z6ll or R6, for video work and backup.
You haven't set the focus button correctly on sony to wide or center but at the right side using flexible spot hence camera is prioritizing that area rather than the human which is away from your focus point . This clearly shows the video giving false impression of the sony a7III. Hoever, nikon could be better but better you do a test first using a different focus setting on the a7iii and then make a new video perhaps .....
@@FramesTM at 2:26 the focus is on flexible spot and towards the right. Kindly check sony focus manual i have posted below link .if you subject is on left you cannot expect eye AF to work perfectly when the focus is kept on the right. ( Align the subject with your selected Focus Area, you haven't done that in first place ) LOL .... Its like driving a car on wrong side of the road and blaming the car is not good. Below from Sony website : If the subject is against a contrasting background or there are objects in front that may interfere with tracking, select one of the following: Tracking: Center or Tracking: Center Fix Tracking: Flexible Spot or Tracking: Spot Tracking: Expand Flexible Spot or Tracking: Expand Spot Align the subject with your selected Focus Area. www.sony.com/electronics/support/articles/00081258
So I have to move to the focus button manually and place it on the eye? But I didn’t have to do that when the iso was 1000. How did it work then? If I have to manually keep tracker on the subject to activate “eye af” which is a different thing altogether, then it’s not very useful isn’t it. On the Z6II I didn’t move anything. It picked the eye on its own! Okay?
Good short video. I've long looked past the Z62 vs A73 comparison and is now waiting for the Z62 to be more competitive in wildlife and bird photography. The subject tracking is still slower than Sony and Canon but let's see how 2021 will end if Nikon works on ver 2 of their FW.
@@FramesTM it makes it easy to jump from Canon or Sony to Nikon. You lose a lot of money selling your gear and buying new lenses to switch brands. You can buy a z6 II/z7 II and keep your lenses and adapt them until you can afford to sell your old lenses and buy new Nikon lenses. Or if Sony/Canon has a lens that Nikon doesn't have you can adapt it to the z6 II. Adapters are cheap compared to lenses. You can adapt almost any lens. I'm not sure if all of the information will be displayed or be detected by Lightroom but you can still use the lenses.
It’s like Sony is paying people at this point. Maybe not directly, but by being the #1 mirrorless company, the big youtubers HAVE to keep saying the A7III is better than the Z6II. I think Nikon should’ve released the Z6II first. They fell behind and are trying to catch up. Nobody mentions the Canon R5/R6 overheating issues anymore and the A7III IBIS is the worst in the full frame segment. I just dumped my A7III and lenses for a Z6II and Z5. These Z cameras are so much more ergonomic. IBIS is incredible. EVF makes Sony look like a toy. I wonder if the Nikon bashing has something to do with them moving manufacturing to Thailand? Japan is very serious about their camera companies and loyalty.
@@FramesTM agree there. I also don’t see the big youtubers mentioning the A7III shutter problem. I’m in the group on FB. Seems every day there’s a new failure.
I feel you are exactly right about Nikon being able to advance with what's already in place in the 7- 2 and the 6-2 all that's really missing right now is the correct code being written up and download it as firmware!
@@FramesTM I thought it’s exactly what the larger channels need to see. Lmao in addition at 3:58 the labels don’t match the camera lcds. Maybe intentional or not but figure I mention it for the people that don’t use either of them.
Just as in politics, the more you claim it the more people will believe it. Sony's marketing has relied on this tactic for years. Sony is no longer the number one spec king, I don't even think they ever were. My Z cameras are keeping up with sony performance if not even doing better. NEF and SOOC Jpeg files are much more pleasant to work with as well with real to life colors and DR.
Have been a nikon user all life... however its a shame in itself when a 2018 manufactured camera in the same price bracket at launch can be compared with 2020 manufactured cam.... Nikon Z62 is a crippled camera...4k 60 at 1.5 x crop... you buy a full frame to shoot at full frame... compare that with other brands which offer 1.05x crop. Cannot record in log unless connected to external recorder which means more investment. So you make cameras to compete with what is already there from 2 years back? Not to mention the idiotic design of some of there s line lenses which are weirdly long... compare a 50mm 1.8 s ( canon vs nikon ) 20mm 1.8 The system does not have a 16-35 2.8 yet
The narrative flips when you see that Sony's E mount is 11 years old. Z mount is 3.5 years old. Sony's A7iii is their 3rd Gen. But Z6II is 2nd Gen. There's at least 4K 60. None in A7iii. There's no camera offering 4K full frame readout @USD2000. At this price point, the sensor is a limitation. It's Sony's own sensor that Nikon tweaked. Very importantly, one would happy to compare the 2nd gen Nikon with 4th Gen Sony A7IV, IF its here. It ain't. Therefore, this complaint is irrelevant. End of the day, for the same money, The Nikon is way more value. And post processing takes 1/3rd of the time dealing with Nikon's files compared to Sony's files. That's been my experience, any anyone who puts in post efforts. On the lens front, let's not compare Nikon's 1.8s with Canon's and Sony's. Those 1.8s are just basic in comparison. Sony 55 1.8 is good. But again not as good as the Z 50mm. Nikon didn't have 26 35 f2.8 for the F mount too! I would like that lens too! Every system is different and has its own problems. But we tend to cherry pick problems for one brand and good things about others. That's not cool. Cheers!
Great to see Nikon improvements in eye detect …it still has areas to improve .. but definitely in certain conditions outperform rivals … one last task in autofocus is subject tracking … with that it will be back in full throttle …
@@felixdamith1 The Z9's tracking will be better than DSLR's 3D tracking. That's big! The update to the ZIIs will be a watered down version of that. The lenses more than enough capable of responding quick.
@@FramesTM looks like Nikon won't invite him to premier of next release of any camera. I followed Mr Polin since 2011 and learnt a lot from him but in the last two to three years he started singing a different tune.
If you are trying sell nikon, you are doing a good job. Please learn how to shoot the Sony first before you compare them. The sad thing There's over hundreds of people buying your BS nonsense. Let go back to the comparison. No.1 At 2.21 you had the sony AF area to the door and it's at fexible spot which is a tiny area and Nikon at full area. No.2 At 3:32 you had nikon over expose by almost +1 EV and sony -1EV. Every current photographer know if you need right EV to Af well. I don't know what you did with the light but there's definately a 2 stop EV different. No.3 At 4:05 you over expose the sony more than 2 stop. you can clearly see the Ev blinking. and by the look of the sony you are at s-log2 or 3 profile. WHAT I LEARN IS THAT THEY ARE PEOPLE GOES TO DISTANT TO PROVE TO OTHERS THAN THEIR PREFERED CAMERA BRAND IS MORE SUPEROIR THAN OTHER BRAND. AND ALL THE TH-camRS ARE TAKING MONEY FROM COMPANIES TO PROMOTE THE CAMERA EXPECT YOU.
Hey Chen, point 1. I said in the video that the eye af and the tracker are set to two buttons. I have no reason to push the tracker while trying to activate eye af. Nikon’s eye af works only in wide area and in wide L. Wide L is not a fair comparison, therefore wide area is used. 2. At 2:17 can you see the older, first Gen Z6 get the face af with -1.5 ev? If Z6 can do it why can’t the A7III? 3. I didn’t shoot in log. Picture profile was set to off. An Atomos ninja V was recording the shoot. And, in my experience, unless you’re blown out, pattern detection has no problem in +2 EV. I am not the one to ever say that there’s nothing more to learn. But for this case, these are the facts. About 2 weeks backs, someone told me ISO has no impact on auto focus. Today what YOU say implies, that ISO has so much impact that it’s making the Sony missfocus. You’re right. ISO helps Mirrorless cameras. But +2 ev doesn’t cause af problems. Try it. Now since you said “it’s my BS”; I invite your to take your time to explain points 1,2, and 3. I give you your lifetime. But don’t come back with BS. Here’s your task: 1. Explain to me why pushing the eye af button apparently activates the tracker, when tracking is set to another button. 2. How come Z6 is fine with -1.5 ev but dear A7iii needs to be delicately handled there? 3. Submit any proof for focus problems in over exposure. I can do a video showing Nikon’s is fine on that. 4. How many times did you call BS on bad tests done on ‘Sony channels’? You can DM the screenshots at @StoryFrames on Insta. Cool?
The A73 could not beat the Z6 after the Z6 got firmware 2.0, so why would anyone even try to compare it against the Z6II? I had the A73, and currently have the Z6 and Z6II. To say the A73 is "legendary" can only be true if only Sony existed. Lenses, actually, are the biggest shortcoming of E mount cameras.
@@joe2snj There is no argument that Sony does not have the most E mount lenses for E mount cameras. That is wonderful. Problem is that the vast majority of them are absolute garbage. It is literally just a handful of good to great lenses. RF and Z while having a lot less lenses overall for their respective mount cameras, the number of good to great lenses respectively and individually exceeds what Sony has respectively and individually for its system. And when you include adaptation of EF and F (many of which have no loss of functionality on the new mounts), this is no contest. Canon and Nikon each have a far larger quantity of good to great lenses available right now (with no significant loss of functionality) for their RF and Z bodies. So, yes, Sony has more E lenses for E bodies. Canon and Nikon each have more good to great RF and Z lenses for RF and Z bodies respectively. Add the EF and F fully functioning adaptable lenses to RF and Z respectively, and Sony is actually way behind. Another good point in this discussion is that RF and Z are built for the future, while E is built for the past. 25 years ago E mount would have been on par with the competition. Today its a dinosaur. The YT shills don't want you figuring that out, because they want you to buy into it and then a year from now they will want you to sell it and buy something else. Make sure to click their affiliate link! I have nothing against Sony. My first digital cameras way back when were Sony, and I really wish Sony had a modern mount for FF. But no mistake, E mount already became obsolete. Its already happened.
@@KungPowEnterFist If you are saying that the majority of emount lenses are garbage you clearly don’t shoot Sony, that is simply not true at all. As for emount being already obsolete then why is it also used in pro grade cinema cameras? How come Sony are able to design and engineer lenses and that match and some cases exceed what’s available on RF or Z mount? Canon to their credit have made a few lenses that are unusual but what have Nikon made on Z mount that’s different? Sony have gone the route of giving us shooters what we want and need yet innovating with things like dual linear motors and smaller and more compact designs. By all means praise RF and Z mount but don’t spread falsehoods about Sony because that makes you a shill, the very thing you have accused others of being.
Very interesting to hear your thoughts about the Z6ii. I have one and cant fault its eye detect and AF in general use, but just did a comparison video against an R6 as I felt it struggled with fast moving subjects so put it against the Canon. I really want Nikon to step up the AF as their sensors and lenses are incredible th-cam.com/video/ZbNoMXrHwVk/w-d-xo.html
AT 3:58, the Nikon is one the left. And the Sony is on the right! Sorry for the wrong text marking!
I'm not sure what is your intention here... How should be The Hybrid Shooter and other reviewers more honest? Nikon hunting and slow focusing is clearly visible in his video. Do you want him to lie and say that there is no hunting just to make Nikon fanboys happy?
He didn't choose that test to make Nikon fail, he does the same test with every camera that he tests on his channel... You, on the other hand, have clearly manipulated settings to make the Sony perform worse. The scene that you chose is weird to say the least. Why didn you use Auto ISO on Nikon in the first test but not on Sony? Why are you deliberately overexposing or underexposing every Sony shot in this video.... Nikon focusing at 3:35 appears to be sped up, judging by the speed at which the exp. compensation changes. Not to mention that you have underexposed Sony again. This is really sad.
I am happy that like your A7iii! That’s awesome! You have 3 points here: 1) Why do I disagree with other reviewers. 2) Why such a weird test? 3) And why no auto iso?
Here you go: 1) I did my own test and the results are here for you to see. I find other reviewers a bit motivated. I just shared my experience. I could have no chosen to share as well. 2) My weird little test is a common compositional technique. To shoot a person between a door and a wall... haha no my friend that’s not weird. Ask any wedding photographer or photojournalist. But yes it’s very confusing for any camera. 3) Auto iso? Does that bother you? That’s just SNR! Sony had the advantage of more light (signal) with a 1.4 lens and it was a native lens. The Nikon used a 1.8 lens that too adapted! And you’re worried about ISO? Ok look at the Z6 beat the Sony a7iii at -1.5 ev. The face was completely dark. For get the Z6II. How did the Z6 do it? Come back with a better argument. What’s sad is the 7 fake like ma you got to your comment. My channel is really not big enough for your comment to get 7 likes within half an hour of posting that comment. Live and let live man!
@@FramesTM I don't own A7 III.
1) so did he, with his standardized procedure and with same settings (unlike you). I find you a bit motivated. My question was what should they say when they see that Sony is simply performing better. Should they lie?
2) Ok, if that is what you choose, although I don't think that it is very representative situation.
3)Sony had much larger disadvantage of shallower depth of field. That by itself makes your test irrelevant. Yes, I am bothered by Auto ISO because the AF has much easier job when it can choose exposure. Forget Z6 II. The question (that I just answered) is why A7 III didn't do it. It is also funny how you cut Sony sample at 0:55 when it was starting to acquire the focus :)
I shred this in a FB group, so the likes are probably from there.
I found the review you’re talking about quite skewed. And I know that the actual performance is far from the truth.
To answer your main question: What should I say if I see that the Sony didn’t perform as well and the Z6?
Now, let’s get one thing clear: if a system has a 1.4, then it’s bodies must be designed to work with that DOF. More light is NOT a disadvantage. It’s an advantage. If more light is a disadvantage then why have you been complaining about ISO? That’s not even actually light! 🙂 Did you ask your favourite reviewer how he concluded that Z6II’s 4K 60 is not so good quality? Where was the test? Did you also ask him, why his colour tests didn’t include skin colour tests? Not so objective as you claim maybe isn’t it!
Anyhow, good talking to you. Take care! Explained enough.
@@FramesTM No, you didn't explain anything. I find this video extremely skewed and results to be very far from truth, that is not an answer.
I asked you first, so you are the one who should answer, you are the one calling others dishonest.
Again, shallow depth of field makes the focusing more difficult, incorrect exposure also makes the focusing more difficult. Sorry, but I prefer to trust reviews with equal conditions, others have also pointed that out.
I rewatched his review, he showed both skin color sample and 4K 60p sample.
What was wrong with 4k 60?
Where as the a7iii was a revolutionary camera back in 2018 Nikon need two processors to catch a 4 year old camera.
But Sony needed about a half a century to catch up with Nikon and Canon isn’t it
@@FramesTM right as any brand, Nikon had it revolutionary moment back when the D3 released; but now Nikon even with the Z9 they are still behind eye af Canon already Surpassed Sony and The eye af of the Z9 is still not sticky and accurate as the other brands.
Great to see that Nikon Z6ii trumps the Sony A7iii! New generation Z6ii is much better than version 1. People should not underestimate the Nikon.
My experience is that Sony has more reliable AFC
I use expanded flexible spot
Of course it matters what lens is used
at 4:00 left is nikon as in this you can choose to change the left or right eye which is a nikon feature and right one with green box is Sony
Yes you’re right!
I'd like to ask your truly honest opinion. I am a hobbyist landscape photographer. I have a Z6. I don't want more than a 24Mp camera. Although the Zf looks very appealing to me, I was thinking of upgrading to a Z6 II. The reason is that the AF on the Z6 sometimes struggles, especially when I shoot videos for TH-cam. Also, when I shoot people, like live music gigs with high ISO in low-light, it is hard for me to trust the AF of the original Z6. The Z6 II now comes at a very competitive price. It is at 1100 Euros or 97,906.15 Rupees. The Zf comes at 1800 Euros or 160,210.08 Rupees. So, what would you do, personally? Would you buy a Z6 II and spend the rest of your available money elsewhere? Or buy the Zf which definitely is a less ergonomic camera with fewer buttons etc.
For your use case, if 10bit log is not a requirement in video and ‘very difficult’ low light af situations isn’t something you face, you should (I would) go for the the Z6II.
@@FramesTM A tough decision! Thanks a lot for the answer. I appreciate it! 🤙🙏🙏
I think after Z9 Nikon should announce Z6III because A7iv is already released and I don't think after releasing a 45mp sensor Z9 it make sense release another high megapixel camera like Z7III or Z8 with 50/60mp sensor. because that will slow and you know 4k video out of high MP sensor used to be softer. a 25/30mp Z6III make more sense with Z9 autofocus, without mechanical shutter and evf with real time view without any delay or blackout. 6k/4k 10bit N-Raw video internal recording for future proofing the camera. it will get very popular in content creators who do photography and make video/films. maybe Nikon will endup dropping 2 cameras together but there is big need to have a Z6III to compete with these mid range FF Mirrorless cameras.
You make sense. I think Z7III could be that photo centric high res camera. And Z6III will become the entry level prosumer body. There is a gap and that gap is in a 1. video powerhouse do it all body than can do 4k 120/240 with internal 10bit and raw. And 2nd gap is a pro crop body.
One thing is clear. Nikon’s lineup isn’t clear right now.
@@FramesTM yes , and Nikon should not waste too much time. at least they should announce something because there are many people i see on reddit communities and in YT comment section who are Nikon users but can't afford Z9 or don't need it and they are in a situation where they may endup switching to other brand. everyone talking about 50/60mp Z7III or Z8 but Z6III is what Nikon need for Photo/Video shooters. but 6k 60fps 10 bit internal to future proof it. and its not something impossible as some articles says N-Raw will take less storage then other Raw video codec and expeed 7 on Z6III will be powerful enough to handle it. many D750/780 users and Z6 users will switch to it.
I came from the Nikon d5100 and I"ve seen people saying Oh Nikon Z auto focus does not work and I grabbed and boom I started getting bangers one after the other. Wish I could show you guys some of my shots
I totally believe you bro!
Just catching up with some of your older vids... as usual great stuff. Well done...
Hey thank you! It’s been a while
I was planning for nikon z6 ii, and my budget was 1.5 to 1.8 lk with lens, now I am confused should I wait sony A7 Iv for this in this range, kindly guide me sir
Sony just body will be 2lks. And not much better. Go for Z6II eyes closed.
@@FramesTM thank you
I feel the next gen Nikon bodies need to be updated to be more customizable for dual back button focus etc. I think their autofocus system just needs some wildlife algorithms and they are pretty well there.
Agree!!
No internal LOG video in Nikon Z6ii
are you work for Nikon? why did you use wrong focus settings on A7iii? how the hell camera face detection focus on human when you kept manual focus somewhere else?
Face detect was assigned to a separate function button and used. Tracking was set to another button. I was using face detect. DO YOU UNDERSTAND ME?
Sony a73 and nikon z6mark 2 which better?
I stand behind my Nikon Z7 II and Z6 II in autofocus. It works excellent - most who complain about Autofocus simply do not know how the autofocus system works with Nikon - Fro knows nothing and has been kicked to the curb by Nikon along with a few other Nikon Bashers.
I will never move away from Nikon.
The af just works! I find the complaints absurd. Can it improve? Yes! Is it unusable or makes me a worse photographer. Not at all
I subbed because i really love indian friends, however i think if you did an example of the nikon red box focusing along with the eye tracking i would have really appreciated it! Thanks
Bhaiya light aapke camera me ja raha h jiske wjah se aapka video sahi nahi aa raha contrast high kijiye
You can shoot great pictures with any any Camera. I am Sony shooter am aware of the shortcomings you explained here. Nikon experienced a bit of a fall after releasing the D850 at the same time as Sony released the A7r3 and A73 ….. They will be coming out strong once their financial situation has improved
Absolutely
I think it was the marketing of the Z7 to "re-invent Mirrorless" from Nikon and the Z mount would revolutionize lens making that set the stage for a negative customer experience. I bought the Z7 and was disappointed overall in its performance. I now have the Z7 II and much happier in the capabilities.
@@TrueToad Nikon is a quiet sort of company in a very very loud world.
I'm also in a cross road on which system to choose. . nikon z6ii or sony a7iii. Heard that the primes of nikon z is better. . .I would be happy if any suggestions is given. .
Go for Sony if you get the A7iv. If not then stick to Z6ii. Nikon primes are extremely high quality with artsy rendering
@@FramesTM thanks a lot. I'll go with nikon z6ii can't wait for a7iv. 😀
Which country you in? There is no sign of A7iv in India yet. It’s frustrating
@@FramesTM I'm alao from india. Indeed it is . .I was also waiting for the a7iv.
Hello...I have bought the nikon z6ii with 35mm 50mm and 85mm prime lens. . .I have a problem.... The focusing sound is kinda annoying from the lenses.... Is it normal.....
Thanks for your vids! Do you want to do a video about your settings for the Z6 II?
Do you want me to make one? I have the material ready anyone. I thought no one needs it now anymore
@@FramesTM yeah for sure! I‘m pretty interested in!
Meanwhile A7iv n R6 are looting the marketshare with no Z6iii
Nikon need to answer R6 R5 soon
Absolutely agree
Hi, thx for the video. Is it theoretically possible to upgrade the z6ii 60 fps 4k from 8 bit to 10 bit (external/external to Ninja) via a software update?
Once it records in 8bit you can’t upgrade to 10bit because all of that colour data is already thrown away
Not sure if I read your question right. It should be theoretically possible to update fw to allow it to record 10bit internally if the processing power allows that. But I think it will overheat in that case or maybe it will be limited to 10 minutes
Your video is awesome!
Nikon z6ii vs sony a7iv which better
U r clearly helping Nikon by putting the yellow focus box on the face..
truly say,for me main idea from you ,is about honest,about competence and about to have love in everyone heart. Well done,straight ,inteligent ,polite and with love! and I'm your subscriber from now already-)))
Thank you Rimantas! So happy to see you find value in this... super inspired!
Nikon Z cameras are fucking beautiful. Yes, the first gen AF was not up to par in SOME applications. For example, I shoot wildlife and I simply cannot compare my D500 or D850 AF to that of my Z6. But for virtually any other application, the Z cameras are a thing of immeasurable beauty. Nikon just does it right. The colors. The ergonomics. The picture quality. Everything is just gorgeous. I have had the Canon 5D mk IV as well as Sony A7R3 but I just cannot get used to Sony or Canon. Obviously, that is extremely personal but Nikon and Olympus are my two absolute favorite camera systems and maybe it’s because I have a thing for companies with a shrinking market share LOL
Hahaha I will add Fuji to that list. Btw, I add a 3rd system to my kitty. Because I am crazy like that. What do you suggest? Sony or Olympus? I use Fuji and Nikon right now!
@@FramesTM Given my already established love for the system, I must say Olympus but I will support my suggestion with a few reasons listed below 👇
-Olympus colors are considered to be the best in the industry along with amazing JPEGs.
-Several thousand dollars cheaper than a complete Sony system
-More customizable than virtually any mirrorless system
-Industry best weather sealing
-Tiny sensor which still delivers 90% of IQ the comparable Sony FF sensor and delivers 100% and even exceeds in handheld 50 MP mode.
- Industry best image stabilization that allows me to handhold down to 2 seconds.
-The space a A7III with a 50mm takes, it can fit an Olympus body and three of the 1.8 primes which also happen to be the only lenses to produce amazing pictures and they can fit in your pocket.
-Fully articulating screens on most bodies and the bodies are lovely, both ergonomically and aesthetically.
It took Sony 3 A7 models to get it right, Nikon pretty much matched their AF on their Z6ii (2nd model) with a 1.20 firmware update (More updates to come). 🤔 Imagine what their Z6iii will be like....
Yup! Do you shoot Sony?
@@FramesTM No, I've been a nikon user, been thinking to switch to Sony, when changing to mirrorless. because I've liked the Eye Af on the Sony, the Sony file not so much. but when the z6ii was announced I jumped on that instead. I just love the nikon picture quality.
Very informative...
Your settings on the Sony is wrong.
May I ask which lenses are you using in both these cameras?
Sony 85mm 1.4 GM and Nikon 85mm 1.8G with the FTZ adapter.
@@FramesTM thank you. The Nikon’s performance is impressive.
Yes! Contrary to what many would have you believe!
Nikon Z6II is really good value. It is by far Nikon's best compromised mirrorless body. It hit the sweetspot between photo and videos. The Z lenses only improves the overall value for the Z6Ii.
Honestly, it is the Nikon's colour science that triumph's over other brands really...
Just print without edit to see the big difference?
Honestly, that is single biggest reason that I love using the Nikons. The colour science
@@FramesTM My old 14-24 F lense was good in it's day but the Z 14-24 is totally a different beast altogether. Even when you stop down at f2.8, the edges are pin sharp! Be it on broad daylight or astro photography. I've yet to test out the 50 f1.2. Many said it rivals the Leica Summicron 50mm
Hi Frames - if I am not mistaken you mislabeled the Nikon and Sony cameras on your demonstration at the 3:58 mark of your video - it appears you label the Sony example as Z6II and vice versa. Nice video over all :)
Yes Baron! Just spotted it and pinned a comment saying that! Silly me!
@@FramesTM No worries my brother - just wanted to be sure you were aware so you could fix it - keep up the good work! :)
Thanks - very useful!!
Color management twiking how you wanted to color the videos doesnt come with nikon. No log profile for internal eith 10 bit. Sony is a great choice
I am a Sony user and we all have to stop worrying about who has a better camera and start arguing about who is a better photographer, come shoot Bald Eagles with me and the loser buys dinner LOLOL ✌
😅 you sound like a serious challenge haha! Why don’t you ask some of the guys here for a shoot out challenge
I am a long time Nikon user and currently use a D750 and D850. I've been reluctant to migrate to the Z series bodies for several reasons. Perhaps the first should be because Nikon is pretty far behind SONY and CANON. Second is I have a lot a F mount glass and do NOT want to have to replace those lenses. At best, I would keep all that glass and use the FTZ mount to adapt the F mount lenses to the larger Z mount and then start buying native Z lenses.
Despite being a long time Nikon user, I am not so blind that I apologize for their several well known failings that include arrogance, hubris, being late to the mirrorless game and severe problems with their supply chain. Likewise, Nikon is a much smaller company than either SONY or Canon and its many mistakes have helped magnify (no pun intended) their financial problems. I sincerely hope Nikon can fix its problems as I would hate to see them go the way of Minolta and Olympus.
Naah I don’t buy that. Nikon doesn’t produce attitudes like arrogance and hubris. Those are myths created by that Angry guy. Mistake that comes to mind is not marketing well and not capturing the content creator market with cheap hybrid cameras early on. Because those are the people who produce nonsense like “Nikon will go out of business” as if they have any idea about what they’re talking about. I did two videos with deep analysis of their financials and heir culture. Every point that I speak is backed by data. Not my insecurity about Nikon nor the fanboy chemistry for Sony or Canon or Fuji. I actually like Sony. But they’re not durable. I like Fuji. But they’re overhyped. I don’t like Canon because they seem to push people to buy more unnecessary.
The questions that you should ask yourself: 1. Is Z system better than the D cameras. 2. Can I use most of those lenses? 3. Do I need 10bit 422 and RAW video? And for bragging rights: Can I wait 6 months for Z9?
@@FramesTM I don't do video so that aspect of the Z bodies is of no importance to me. Nikon is an ARROGANT company. I also happen to know quite a few people who work for them or worked for them as in past tense. I am not insecure about Nikon and I take the Angry Photographer's comments with a grain of salt. One thing you need to realize is he does not have ANY AFFILIATE links, so he makes no money whatsoever from manufacturers. So with that in mind, neither you nor anyone else can accurately state he's a FANBOY. I am quite a bit older than you so I've seen Nikon in action over the past 50 years and their hubris has been in play for years. They believed that they were the best and in accordance with that mindset and in the pre-mirrorless days, they only worried about one company and that was CANON. SONY has changed that dynamic forever. Think and spew what you want, but Nikon was too late to mirrorless to catch up, let alone actively compete. Additionally, their first gen Z cameras with their single card slots, no battery grip attachment capability and at the time, very limited native lens offerings meant that staying in the game long term would be problematic. The one smart thing they did provide with the release of the Z system was the FTZ adapter.
I am a fan of Nikon but not a fanboy. I am involved in IT and Technology procurement and Nikon's supply chain issues are almost legendary and they went all the way back to pre-digital days. And as a reminder of their ongoing financial problems, Nikon continues to downsize their workforce in the USA and decrease the staffing of Nikon Professional Services. Think what you want, but Nikon is IN TROUBLE financially.
Nikon is pretty far behind Sony and Canon? Hmm.. Don't think so, but that's not the Point. The original Z6 is so much better in Autofocus as your D750, there is absolute no Reason for you not to change. Coming from a D750, you will love the Z6. It's so much better. There is no Problem using old Nikon Lenses with FTZ on the Z-System. It's true, it's not the best Performance you can get with a Z Camera, but you lose nothing compared to a D750.
The Autofocussystem of your D850 is sligthly a little bit better as Z7, but direct compared with a Z7II, i think again the Z-System wins.
Same experience. It’s just that I feel 3D tracking was better than the Z system tracker
@@PatrickFeldhusen Actually, yes Nikon is still lagging behind SONY and Canon Nikon fanboy. I don't do video, so what is the compelling reason for me to go mirrorless at this time? None that I can see. Yes, I know I can get the FTZ adapter which allows me to use F mount glass, but one of the main reasons for the Z mount is that it is so much bigger and the lens flanges closer to the sensor allowing for light gathering. That said, Nikon STILL does NOT have a large stable of native Z mount glass and SONY beat both Canon and Nikon to the starting line by having more glass available. So, yes, Nikon is STILL behind SONY in that regard.
The Nikon Z6 and Z7 first generation cameras had a lot of limitations that turned people off, myself included. SONY and CANON Eye AF is still more developed and refined than Nikon's is. Maybe with the 3rd generation Zs from Nikon will deserve me taking a look but the type of photography I do does NOT make a compelling reason for me to abandon my DSLRs for Nikon's 1st and 2nd Gen mirrorless bodies.
Here's another thing to keep in mind: Nikon's pro-level Z9 has not yet been released and Nikon continues to cut their R & D budgets. So then, how do you expect to compete and stay even with SONY and Canon? The answer is this: they can't.
As for reasons to change, you also omitted cost factors and how will new gear improve my photography? The cost to switch (at this time) is a compelling reason NOT to. The fact that I don't do video at all also means that the video capabilities of the Z6ii are a non-starter. Quite frankly, your argument is a very weak one and just your opinion. You are entitled to your own opinion but you are not entitled to your own facts.
Just on Canon v Nikon on this comment - What eric and bill photography and taylor Jackson on nikon v canon AF - both are nikon users both admit canons AF is better.
They are behind
I don‘t think anybody with their minds set straight would deny that the R5 has better AF than any current Nikon. The problem which this video is addressing is that many outlets on youtube make you believe that all Sony cameras down to the A7III deliver the same AF performance. From my experience the only thing the A7III‘s AF can clearly do better than the Z6II is its lock on tracking. Especially on telelenses Nikon’s tracking box is mostly useless, while Sony‘s works pretty well
Truth
🙏 for this comparison
In Australia, Sony A74 body only is too expensive- more than Canon R6 and $100s more than Nikon Z6ii including kit lens 😳
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It sursprise me that one of this days a friend thell me that he recently buy a a6400 and that he not choose the a6500 couse the only diference is the "eye autofocus" and i was like "MTF but nikon have aye autofocus on the Z50. The Fuck sony! Correct me if im wrong.
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I can if there are enough number of people surely. Drop me a mail. Mail ID is in description
Why would anybody use face or eye detect to shoot a person sitting in a chair, much less so if they are also tightly framed. Single point and done.
They only know autofocus and when its not working it becomes "Oh man looks like this shot can't be done."
If the camera offers Eye AF, why wouldn't anyone use it in that situation? The advantage of tracking is it holds the focus point, freeing up the photographer up to concentrate on composition and not moving focus points around. And, we're in the context of testing tracking features here.
Single point is fine - but Eye AF is much more useful for dynamic subjects (toddlers, moving subjects etc.). I think there's a use case for all AF modes.
Absolutely!
Thanks for clearing the myths
I picked up a sony a7iii in a store, hated the feel, hated the button placement.
I have a z6ii and sure, it has some issues, but ....what doesn't? My autofocus does what i want almost all the time
You picked up an A7IV already? Damn, time traveler! 😋
@@FramesTM i was second guessing myself on which one it was., Must've been a iiir?
A7r3 must have been haha
@@FramesTM hasn't the a7r iv been out for a year? It was that camera
Yes yes 7R4 correct
Different settings in the first “test” already way to falsify results to fit your opinion. Reshoot the video with exactly the same settings on both cameras and using equivalent lenses
Let me explain: The Sony got 2/3rd more light with the 1.4 lens. It was shooting at +1 EV and on a native lens. The Nikon shot at 0ev. Auto ISO adjusted to 1100 once maximum, compared to Sony’s fixed 800. And was shot on an adapted lens. So what exactly are you talking about?
@@FramesTM different apertures, no Exposure compensation vs Exposure compensation. Native lens vs adapted lens, different iso.
Just try it with the same Iso (no auto iso), same aperture, same ShutterSpeed (what you did), no Exposure compensation.
Why does every other TH-cam get different results? not speaking about the Angry one but other serious one
I said that the Nikon does better. Despite the adapted lens. Despite an 1.8 lens. Sony had two big advantages. But it still couldn’t detect the eye. The Nikon did despite all the criticism that it gets. In fact the first Gen Z6 did better than the Sony at -1.5EV. Charles, the exposure compensation argument is irrelevant because The Sony had +1 exposure. The Nikon’s operated at 0 or -1 to -1.5. Are you registering what I am saying here and on the video? I can’t speak for other people. I don’t trust them.
I gave Sony the advantages. But it didn’t do better. That’s the whole point of the video.
@@FramesTM only watched the first minutecan't
Hmmp. On your example.. nikon is in auto iso....
you said Jarred did not use right settings - I have a73 a7r3 z6ii. and have no problem with focusing between a door gap with Sonys . I mostly use Flex spot vs wide area and yes if you focus on a white wall all systems will struggle. on your test with camera on bed you had Sony a73 -1.0 and Nikon at plus one and white balance totally different - so not a fair equal test - not saying that invalidated results totally but why not use same settings and you are using wide area on Sony vs a box on Nikkon
just don't get why on your side by side comparison like girl walking from distance. your ISO on Sony was 250 and one stop exposure while Nikon iso 800 and exposure plus 2
and actually you had the wrong Labels - you had Sony all over exposed which means it is harder to focus yes Nikon has improved by firmware updates but as using both I say that the Sony focusing is better - as I find it more logical what mode to use and when vs Z6 requires more thinking and changes
yes Nikon is very close in most ways - and of course the A73 is an older camera - it is possible that in some few cases that the Z6 might do marginally better but my experience is that I can rely a bit more on the Sony a73 AFC as I do seldom have to change settings
It is hard to do comparisons unless both cameras on same tripod and with exact settings and even then not totally fair as background might be a food a part and can impact
Glad to see Nikon improving AFC and yes A74 will sure have improved tracking and focus - but the main thing now is both cameras the A73 and Z6 are both fantastic cameras
and sub $2000 - but Sony FE system has just so many native FE lenses both from Sony and Viltrox and Tamron and Sigma and others that consumer has wider selection and price ranges to choose from - yes Nikon is adding some more but still very few native to choose from
my complain with Z6 is few customizable buttons - main Sony A73 complain is back LCD
Valuable perspective... I take note from your suggestions and thank you for them. Like your said they’re neck to neck. Really looking forward to the Z8 and the A7iv!
Hey Jon I have a question for you. I've been with Nikon for a long time. I use Z6II. Great camera except eye AF needs work. My biggest problem with Z6II is in low light at a wedding reception or dance floor. When I push iso to 3200 image looks little muddy and AF is very slow. I wanted to see what you think and if you have used the 3 cameras in those situations?
@@markuehlein805 If you use Low Light setting to On - you set to Contrast Focusing only - Low light focus setting is good only for still objects but works well - but if objects is moving I would turn the Low Light Setting off as you then go into PDAF which is good for moving objects but cannot focus as well in very low light
I feel the Sony A iii do a bit better in very low light the Sony a7r III is not as good but close - so check to see if you have Low Light setting ON - I would set to OFF if there is motion however slow - the Z6 II is very nice, but with Low Light setting On goes into Contrast AF and have a feeling some other processing and then focus becomes very slow and any slight movement will make image blurry - but with Setting Off then I would say close to Sony's if object moving - just feel that Sony's a bit more sure
@@jonhermannsson9231 I was using AF low light assist with people and on dance floor. No wonder it was so slow and sluggish. Thanks for the tip greatly appreciated 🙏
Wow... this is surprising to see Sony struggling to set the focus.. this is new to me.. glad nikon nailing it so quick..😍😍👌👌well I'm a Nikon fan and using D7500..
Well it was an absolutely difficult scene. Sony did well. Nikon did better
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@@FramesTM sure I'll
I started on a D7500, back in 2017 when everyone was talking trash about it, only because it had one card slot. Everyone was jumping to Sony at the time and getting worse images than I did with my D7500. Fast forward to this year, back in February I started to book more clients and making enough money to upgrade to Z6ll and it was the best decision ever. I am now watching videos, deciding to get the second Z6ll or R6, for video work and backup.
You haven't set the focus button correctly on sony to wide or center but at the right side using flexible spot hence camera is prioritizing that area rather than the human which is away from your focus point . This clearly shows the video giving false impression of the sony a7III. Hoever, nikon could be better but better you do a test first using a different focus setting on the a7iii and then make a new video perhaps .....
No. Eye af was set to a custom button. I was pressing eye af button. No reason for me to press on flexible spot button when I am using eye af🙄
I recorded the EVF after trying the different things of course
@@FramesTM at 2:26 the focus is on flexible spot and towards the right.
Kindly check sony focus manual i have posted below link .if you subject is on left you cannot expect eye AF to work perfectly when the focus is kept on the right.
( Align the subject with your selected Focus Area, you haven't done that in first place )
LOL .... Its like driving a car on wrong side of the road and blaming the car is not good.
Below from Sony website :
If the subject is against a contrasting background or there are objects in front that may interfere with tracking, select one of the following:
Tracking: Center or Tracking: Center Fix
Tracking: Flexible Spot or Tracking: Spot
Tracking: Expand Flexible Spot or Tracking: Expand Spot
Align the subject with your selected Focus Area.
www.sony.com/electronics/support/articles/00081258
So I have to move to the focus button manually and place it on the eye? But I didn’t have to do that when the iso was 1000. How did it work then? If I have to manually keep tracker on the subject to activate “eye af” which is a different thing altogether, then it’s not very useful isn’t it. On the Z6II I didn’t move anything. It picked the eye on its own! Okay?
@@FramesTM no just keep it in center which you haven’t , it should work in this scenario most likely .
Good short video. I've long looked past the Z62 vs A73 comparison and is now waiting for the Z62 to be more competitive in wildlife and bird photography. The subject tracking is still slower than Sony and Canon but let's see how 2021 will end if Nikon works on ver 2 of their FW.
Yes subject tracking. I have been talking about it for some time
In z6 ii human skin smooth in photos
Here's the beauty of the z6 II. You can adapt Sony and Canon lenses.
I mean thanks Carl for being the one finally saying it!
@@FramesTM it makes it easy to jump from Canon or Sony to Nikon. You lose a lot of money selling your gear and buying new lenses to switch brands. You can buy a z6 II/z7 II and keep your lenses and adapt them until you can afford to sell your old lenses and buy new Nikon lenses. Or if Sony/Canon has a lens that Nikon doesn't have you can adapt it to the z6 II. Adapters are cheap compared to lenses. You can adapt almost any lens. I'm not sure if all of the information will be displayed or be detected by Lightroom but you can still use the lenses.
For your kind information Nikon autofocus is still bad than Sony as I own both of the cameras.
Which ones do you own?
It’s like Sony is paying people at this point. Maybe not directly, but by being the #1 mirrorless company, the big youtubers HAVE to keep saying the A7III is better than the Z6II. I think Nikon should’ve released the Z6II first. They fell behind and are trying to catch up. Nobody mentions the Canon R5/R6 overheating issues anymore and the A7III IBIS is the worst in the full frame segment. I just dumped my A7III and lenses for a Z6II and Z5. These Z cameras are so much more ergonomic. IBIS is incredible. EVF makes Sony look like a toy. I wonder if the Nikon bashing has something to do with them moving manufacturing to Thailand? Japan is very serious about their camera companies and loyalty.
The Thai move is logical... financially. But overall marketing needs to improve
@@FramesTM agree there. I also don’t see the big youtubers mentioning the A7III shutter problem. I’m in the group on FB. Seems every day there’s a new failure.
I’ll take the Nikon and it’s lenses and files 8 days a week over the Sony garbage. Learn how to use your Z camera properly…
IBIS is incredible? Can't you see warp in the corners of the frame?
@@bosskoron6178 I’ve had a Z6 and now Z6II. No warping that I’ve seen.
I feel you are exactly right about Nikon being able to advance with what's already in place in the 7- 2 and the 6-2 all that's really missing right now is the correct code being written up and download it as firmware!
Exactly! I just want tracking to improve!
Great video!
Lol love my z6ii. Nice chatting with you earlier.
Thanks Christopher! Did you like the video?
@@FramesTM I thought it’s exactly what the larger channels need to see. Lmao in addition at 3:58 the labels don’t match the camera lcds. Maybe intentional or not but figure I mention it for the people that don’t use either of them.
We should share this with the Ken the angry photographer lmfao.
Just as in politics, the more you claim it the more people will believe it. Sony's marketing has relied on this tactic for years. Sony is no longer the number one spec king, I don't even think they ever were. My Z cameras are keeping up with sony performance if not even doing better. NEF and SOOC Jpeg files are much more pleasant to work with as well with real to life colors and DR.
Bro fix your lighting
Done! Check the next upload!
Love my Z6ii!
Do run on the latest firmware though!
So grateful for this video, inspiring confidence in Nikon systems. Have been a hobbyist with Nikon from FM2.
Thanks Gopalan for your kind words... do subscribe if you like the content!
Honest opinions expressed are great 👍
Thanks man!
Have been a nikon user all life...
however its a shame in itself when a 2018 manufactured camera in the same price bracket at launch can be compared with 2020 manufactured cam....
Nikon Z62 is a crippled camera...4k 60 at 1.5 x crop... you buy a full frame to shoot at full frame... compare that with other brands which offer 1.05x crop.
Cannot record in log unless connected to external recorder which means more investment.
So you make cameras to compete with what is already there from 2 years back?
Not to mention the idiotic design of some of there s line lenses which are weirdly long...
compare a 50mm 1.8 s ( canon vs nikon )
20mm 1.8
The system does not have a 16-35 2.8 yet
The narrative flips when you see that Sony's E mount is 11 years old. Z mount is 3.5 years old. Sony's A7iii is their 3rd Gen. But Z6II is 2nd Gen. There's at least 4K 60. None in A7iii. There's no camera offering 4K full frame readout @USD2000. At this price point, the sensor is a limitation. It's Sony's own sensor that Nikon tweaked. Very importantly, one would happy to compare the 2nd gen Nikon with 4th Gen Sony A7IV, IF its here. It ain't. Therefore, this complaint is irrelevant. End of the day, for the same money, The Nikon is way more value. And post processing takes 1/3rd of the time dealing with Nikon's files compared to Sony's files. That's been my experience, any anyone who puts in post efforts.
On the lens front, let's not compare Nikon's 1.8s with Canon's and Sony's. Those 1.8s are just basic in comparison. Sony 55 1.8 is good. But again not as good as the Z 50mm. Nikon didn't have 26 35 f2.8 for the F mount too! I would like that lens too! Every system is different and has its own problems. But we tend to cherry pick problems for one brand and good things about others. That's not cool. Cheers!
Great video dude
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Great to see Nikon improvements in eye detect …it still has areas to improve .. but definitely in certain conditions outperform rivals … one last task in autofocus is subject tracking … with that it will be back in full throttle …
Nikon is expected to come out with real time tracking for the ZII cameras
I strongly believe , they will close the gap with R5 … atleast close … it’s purely algorithm… Z9 , should by pass the A1
@@felixdamith1 The Z9's tracking will be better than DSLR's 3D tracking. That's big! The update to the ZIIs will be a watered down version of that. The lenses more than enough capable of responding quick.
Jared polin would tell you otherwise.
He reckons that autofocus on the Sony is far superior to the Nikon Z6.
I smell a rat. 🐀🐀🐀🐀🐀🐀
Ya well. He ain’t getting the Z9 to taste out.
@@FramesTM looks like Nikon won't invite him to premier of next release of any camera.
I followed Mr Polin since 2011 and learnt a lot from him but in the last two to three years he started singing a different tune.
Haha seems so
True Story. Thank you.
Thanks Patrick!
They both lost.
😅
Loved it
Thanks Rahul!
Completely agree.
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If you are trying sell nikon, you are doing a good job. Please learn how to shoot the Sony first before you compare them. The sad thing There's over hundreds of people buying your BS nonsense.
Let go back to the comparison.
No.1
At 2.21 you had the sony AF area to the door and it's at fexible spot which is a tiny area and Nikon at full area.
No.2
At 3:32 you had nikon over expose by almost +1 EV and sony -1EV. Every current photographer know if you need right EV to Af well. I don't know what you did with the light but there's definately a 2 stop EV different.
No.3
At 4:05 you over expose the sony more than 2 stop. you can clearly see the Ev blinking. and by the look of the sony you are at s-log2 or 3 profile.
WHAT I LEARN IS THAT THEY ARE PEOPLE GOES TO DISTANT TO PROVE TO OTHERS THAN THEIR PREFERED CAMERA BRAND IS MORE SUPEROIR THAN OTHER BRAND.
AND ALL THE TH-camRS ARE TAKING MONEY FROM COMPANIES TO PROMOTE THE CAMERA EXPECT YOU.
Hey Chen, point 1. I said in the video that the eye af and the tracker are set to two buttons. I have no reason to push the tracker while trying to activate eye af. Nikon’s eye af works only in wide area and in wide L. Wide L is not a fair comparison, therefore wide area is used.
2. At 2:17 can you see the older, first Gen Z6 get the face af with -1.5 ev? If Z6 can do it why can’t the A7III?
3. I didn’t shoot in log. Picture profile was set to off. An Atomos ninja V was recording the shoot. And, in my experience, unless you’re blown out, pattern detection has no problem in +2 EV.
I am not the one to ever say that there’s nothing more to learn. But for this case, these are the facts. About 2 weeks backs, someone told me ISO has no impact on auto focus. Today what YOU say implies, that ISO has so much impact that it’s making the Sony missfocus.
You’re right. ISO helps Mirrorless cameras. But +2 ev doesn’t cause af problems. Try it.
Now since you said “it’s my BS”; I invite your to take your time to explain points 1,2, and 3. I give you your lifetime. But don’t come back with BS. Here’s your task:
1. Explain to me why pushing the eye af button apparently activates the tracker, when tracking is set to another button.
2. How come Z6 is fine with -1.5 ev but dear A7iii needs to be delicately handled there?
3. Submit any proof for focus problems in over exposure. I can do a video showing Nikon’s is fine on that.
4. How many times did you call BS on bad tests done on ‘Sony channels’? You can DM the screenshots at @StoryFrames on Insta.
Cool?
The A73 could not beat the Z6 after the Z6 got firmware 2.0, so why would anyone even try to compare it against the Z6II? I had the A73, and currently have the Z6 and Z6II. To say the A73 is "legendary" can only be true if only Sony existed. Lenses, actually, are the biggest shortcoming of E mount cameras.
I what way are lenses the biggest shortcoming of emount when it has by far the largest selection of native options on mirrorless?
@@joe2snj There is no argument that Sony does not have the most E mount lenses for E mount cameras. That is wonderful. Problem is that the vast majority of them are absolute garbage. It is literally just a handful of good to great lenses. RF and Z while having a lot less lenses overall for their respective mount cameras, the number of good to great lenses respectively and individually exceeds what Sony has respectively and individually for its system. And when you include adaptation of EF and F (many of which have no loss of functionality on the new mounts), this is no contest. Canon and Nikon each have a far larger quantity of good to great lenses available right now (with no significant loss of functionality) for their RF and Z bodies. So, yes, Sony has more E lenses for E bodies. Canon and Nikon each have more good to great RF and Z lenses for RF and Z bodies respectively. Add the EF and F fully functioning adaptable lenses to RF and Z respectively, and Sony is actually way behind. Another good point in this discussion is that RF and Z are built for the future, while E is built for the past. 25 years ago E mount would have been on par with the competition. Today its a dinosaur. The YT shills don't want you figuring that out, because they want you to buy into it and then a year from now they will want you to sell it and buy something else. Make sure to click their affiliate link! I have nothing against Sony. My first digital cameras way back when were Sony, and I really wish Sony had a modern mount for FF. But no mistake, E mount already became obsolete. Its already happened.
@@KungPowEnterFist If you are saying that the majority of emount lenses are garbage you clearly don’t shoot Sony, that is simply not true at all.
As for emount being already obsolete then why is it also used in pro grade cinema cameras? How come Sony are able to design and engineer lenses and that match and some cases exceed what’s available on RF or Z mount?
Canon to their credit have made a few lenses that are unusual but what have Nikon made on Z mount that’s different? Sony have gone the route of giving us shooters what we want and need yet innovating with things like dual linear motors and smaller and more compact designs.
By all means praise RF and Z mount but don’t spread falsehoods about Sony because that makes you a shill, the very thing you have accused others of being.
Nikon Z lens’s is much better then Sony lens’s ..
Absolutely! I am just keenly waiting for the 85mm 1.2
Very interesting to hear your thoughts about the Z6ii. I have one and cant fault its eye detect and AF in general use, but just did a comparison video against an R6 as I felt it struggled with fast moving subjects so put it against the Canon. I really want Nikon to step up the AF as their sensors and lenses are incredible th-cam.com/video/ZbNoMXrHwVk/w-d-xo.html
Subscribed! Nice video! I will have to check it out for myself soon