Got nice clear tubes with high specs with my new TNV\DTNVGs, 2600+ FOM! They’re amazing, to say the least! Areas that I needed IR illum with my former ITT thin filmed green tubes with 1900+ FOM, I don’t need the IR illum with my L3 filmless tubes. They’re that good! If anyone, that uses nods professionally, is on the fence about the extra cost or lead times for L3 filmless, it’ll all be worth it. You’ll experience the difference! Photos don’t do it justice.
Great video. I find that most everyone can save enough to justify a quality PVS-14 setup that gets them able to do about 95% of the things they might need. Current days show that any quality NV holding value.
NGL after watching your videos I was initially set on PVS31's due to the features but after interacting with some commenters and re-evaluating my requirements I've settled on either buying or building/having built a set of RNVG's. I break a lot of things and for the value they seem incredible.
This clown clearly doesn’t know that you can get Soviet era tubes for like 100$. Dump them in some pvs7 and you’re gold. Double up on Pvs7s, flip them around, you’ve got yourself some just as good gpnvgs
Waiting on my Thin Filmed WP Gen 3 PVS14 from TNVC. Fingers crossed I get something upwards of 2300+ FOM. These next 12 weeks need to go by fast lol. On the flip side, it gives me time to get a Wilcox G24 mount for my helmet. Don't think I've been this excited for something Ive purchased since buying my first gun :D
@@atacorion looking back 10 months.. I’m much wiser now and my expectations were way too high. Suffice it to say I got a 1980 FOM with an EBI of .4. I can’t complain. Scooped an unfilmed since and I won’t go back to filmed again lol.
@@turnitdowntyler Awesome to hear man. Question: what the hell is the difference between filmed vs unfilmed? I've looked EVERYWHERE and can't seem to find an explanation. Next step is to call TNV and ask them 😑
@@thesickening0169 the team at TNVC will definitely provided a better explanation lol. But essentially unfilmed allows more light transmission, which provides better clarity and less scintillation in darker environments. It was said that unfilmed is less durable than filmed but that hasn’t proven to be the case. Unfilmed is the cream of the crop when it comes to tubes. You get better overall specs with unfilmed. But thin filmed is nothing to complain about.
Honest question: Is night vision technology behind the curve due to the niche market behind it? There seems to be a lot of trade offs, even on the highest-end of the market for NVGs. Are we likely to see a new technology come out anytime soon that might leap the industry forward by a large margin similarly to how no one disagrees that MAWL is superior? There always seems to be a downside (ignoring price). As someone looking to get my first setup, I'm fairly disappointed by the process, especially the randomness of the quality you're buying. "Buy it and hope" seems like a shitty way to do things for that much money.
The manufacturing process of the tube is like reading a medieval alchemy book. There are some seriously complex materials and process's involved in just assembling them. This drives cost way up. As far as new tech, digital night cameras like the Sionyx Aurora are about the only thing at the moment. The problem with these is "input lag". They are, essentially, a computer that you are strapping to your head. They record in color but you are living life at 1080p and 60hz. I would say give it another 5 years before it really catches up. If you look at smart phone tech the cameras/displays they have now are extremely capable for something of that size and at that price. Samsung 20 Ultra can record 8k and has a 120hz screen on a $1400 smart phone . If someone can put those specs into a pvs14-ish housing, cut the input lag down, and amp up the refresh rate (hertz) I think you may have something that will be very competitive to dual white phos tubes for maybe a third the price. The tech is there someone just needs to do it. This is just my prediction.
Sorry if you mentioned this already...is green phosphor noticeably less quality image wise vs white? I have an opportunity to get new pvs 15 in green for a great price...what’s your opinion?
That DA1 cqb footage looks sick. Hope to get in a class with them soon under nods. Need to get a shorty gas gun upper unless UTM is piston friendly? 2600+FOM is legit! Let me know if you want to go look for hogs next time your up at Ares.
@Smeeg Doodle Back in 2011 ITT became ITT/Exelis. Then in 2015 Harris acquired Exelis, which naturally included ITT as part of that acquisition & merging. Not too long afterwards in 2019 L3 decided it wanted to buy and perform an equal merge with Harris, so L3 & Harris performed an all-stock "merger of equals" becoming L3-Harris. Elbit Systems of America, the American division of the Israeli Elbit Systems, agreed to purchase Harris's night vision product line for $350 million, contingent on the completion of the merger with L3. That purchase closed in September 2019, and Harris Night Vision (ITT) was subsequently renamed Elbit Systems of America - Night Vision. So in summary; right now the two US manufacturers of NVD's are L3 and Elbit... Throughout the years and many business mergers ITT has been a leading trusted supplier of night vision equipment to the U.S. Military and allied nations. They won 100% of the U.S. Army OMNIBUS VI contract for aviation systems and 60% of the OMNI VI ground-systems contract, though I'm not sure what chunk they have of the newer OMNI VIII contract. Now to start wrapping this up, seeing as Elbit took ownership of Harris Night Vision (ITT/Exelis) in late 2019, when you buy Elbit you are essentially just buying a rebranded ITT/Exelis/Harris Night Vision Device. This is a long round about way of saying that you shouldn't have any concerns or worries about picking an Elbit tube if it has the spec you require or desire. I'd suggest reading this if you need a primer on NVG specs: www.nite-walker.com/post/2019/11/21/specs-for-dummies-101 ** disclaimer: I have NO ties of any kind to the companies or websites mentioned in my comment **
For a tube to meet OMNI 7 classification it has to meet certain specs. Omni 7 Minimum FOM is 1792. Tubes that have a OMNI rating are milspec tubes that met the contract for each OMNI which can be found on the faceplate of the tube.
There are some places you can get them but they will definitely not have a warranty or be serviceable. If you contact them they can get you all the info you need.
ADO Photoshop Breakdowns they are legit. We run them at work. Took a lot of the upsides of 15s and threw them into an articulating housing like the 31s with the ability for an external battery pack. They have adjustable diopters and use 14 optics.
Video sucks. Don't start talking budget. Don't tell us to choose a housing. We don't know anything about housing choices. Start with the basics. 1. How do you want to use it? Weapon mount, hand held, helmet mount? 2. Infrared? or white or green? Explain the differences and why one over the other. Then explain the hybrids 3. Quality vs cost. 4. Power sources. 5. Expansion options. Last, show us a complete entry level for $2k and a complete $4k unit and explain the difference.
@@nathanbutcher1864 Always weird to me when people complain about the price of night vision towards just people talking about it and not the actual people selling it.
GOD loves you enough to send HIS only SON to save you and if you repent and turn from your sins and be baptized in THE NAME OF THE FATHER, THE SON and THE HOLY SPIRIT. ((if you haven't )
I was expecting “liquidate all your assets, abandon your family”
Step one: sell kidney
GPNVGs here I come
As a Nephrologist looking to buy night vision, I support this. Dialysis pays.
Take a drink every time Jon says, "right."
Right?!
Followed instructions. Died.
Ran out of liquor fast, retained no info, ended up with 19 ATN gen 2+ lvl 3 (whatever the fuck that means) units.
I went up to 35 cups of juice
I was blacked around the 7-minute mark
Got nice clear tubes with high specs with my new TNV\DTNVGs, 2600+ FOM! They’re amazing, to say the least! Areas that I needed IR illum with my former ITT thin filmed green tubes with 1900+ FOM, I don’t need the IR illum with my L3 filmless tubes. They’re that good!
If anyone, that uses nods professionally, is on the fence about the extra cost or lead times for L3 filmless, it’ll all be worth it. You’ll experience the difference! Photos don’t do it justice.
Yes I upgraded Mocha Bear's tubes at TNVC with some 2600 FOM Tubes. they were great
What are the specs, snr, resolution, ebi, gain photocathode response? Thanks
The one time I’m glad my brain only really uses one eye, saving me a ton of money LOOL
I saved a ton of money. I trained a couple of bats. Works awesome!
Great video. I find that most everyone can save enough to justify a quality PVS-14 setup that gets them able to do about 95% of the things they might need. Current days show that any quality NV holding value.
NGL after watching your videos I was initially set on PVS31's due to the features but after interacting with some commenters and re-evaluating my requirements I've settled on either buying or building/having built a set of RNVG's. I break a lot of things and for the value they seem incredible.
This is great info, I'm just starting the learning process. Thanks a lot
good yob Jon!
maybe someday I'll upgrade to above 2,000 FOM. Right now I'm just trying to build duals with the 1,550 I got. Good video.
Good stuff as always brown bear!
Love the videos just wish the audio was slightly more clearer.
Always like your NV vids! Thanks Jon! 👍👍👍
Excellent video, thanks for the info.
This clown clearly doesn’t know that you can get Soviet era tubes for like 100$. Dump them in some pvs7 and you’re gold. Double up on Pvs7s, flip them around, you’ve got yourself some just as good gpnvgs
Also forgot you’re gonna need a laser. If you’re really good with a claw machine your in the door for under 1$
Lmao, genius
“What’s the BEST, cheapest...MOST reliable NV I can get?” ha ha ha
🤣
"whats inside your heart matters" 🤣
Two tubes (EBI .53 SNR 29.5) and (EBI 2.17 SNR 32.3) which of these would i want?
i would suggest the dshjdfh-/44..k8/.mm.5e
Waiting on my Thin Filmed WP Gen 3 PVS14 from TNVC. Fingers crossed I get something upwards of 2300+ FOM. These next 12 weeks need to go by fast lol.
On the flip side, it gives me time to get a Wilcox G24 mount for my helmet. Don't think I've been this excited for something Ive purchased since buying my first gun :D
Nice man. Congrats
You aint gonna get a 2300 FOM out of thin filmed.
@@atacorion looking back 10 months.. I’m much wiser now and my expectations were way too high. Suffice it to say I got a 1980 FOM with an EBI of .4. I can’t complain. Scooped an unfilmed since and I won’t go back to filmed again lol.
@@turnitdowntyler Awesome to hear man. Question: what the hell is the difference between filmed vs unfilmed? I've looked EVERYWHERE and can't seem to find an explanation. Next step is to call TNV and ask them 😑
@@thesickening0169 the team at TNVC will definitely provided a better explanation lol. But essentially unfilmed allows more light transmission, which provides better clarity and less scintillation in darker environments. It was said that unfilmed is less durable than filmed but that hasn’t proven to be the case. Unfilmed is the cream of the crop when it comes to tubes. You get better overall specs with unfilmed. But thin filmed is nothing to complain about.
Honest question: Is night vision technology behind the curve due to the niche market behind it? There seems to be a lot of trade offs, even on the highest-end of the market for NVGs. Are we likely to see a new technology come out anytime soon that might leap the industry forward by a large margin similarly to how no one disagrees that MAWL is superior? There always seems to be a downside (ignoring price).
As someone looking to get my first setup, I'm fairly disappointed by the process, especially the randomness of the quality you're buying. "Buy it and hope" seems like a shitty way to do things for that much money.
The manufacturing process of the tube is like reading a medieval alchemy book. There are some seriously complex materials and process's involved in just assembling them. This drives cost way up. As far as new tech, digital night cameras like the Sionyx Aurora are about the only thing at the moment. The problem with these is "input lag". They are, essentially, a computer that you are strapping to your head. They record in color but you are living life at 1080p and 60hz. I would say give it another 5 years before it really catches up. If you look at smart phone tech the cameras/displays they have now are extremely capable for something of that size and at that price. Samsung 20 Ultra can record 8k and has a 120hz screen on a $1400 smart phone . If someone can put those specs into a pvs14-ish housing, cut the input lag down, and amp up the refresh rate (hertz) I think you may have something that will be very competitive to dual white phos tubes for maybe a third the price. The tech is there someone just needs to do it. This is just my prediction.
I didn't know Palm Beach Tactical did financing... good shit 🤟 2020 resolution hahaha
Changes the game a bit
*A bit challenging to clean.*
How would you feel about a .008 Blem in the middle of Zone 2?
Depends on the tube specs. If they are amaze balls then I'll deal with a blem
I might buy a Pvs7 it’s what I can afford just don’t know if it’s worth it
It's not worth it. Save up a little more and get a Pvs14
Sorry if you mentioned this already...is green phosphor noticeably less quality image wise vs white? I have an opportunity to get new pvs 15 in green for a great price...what’s your opinion?
Depends on your eyes. White has a distinctive advantage with contrast but specs are everything.
That DA1 cqb footage looks sick. Hope to get in a class with them soon under nods. Need to get a shorty gas gun upper unless UTM is piston friendly?
2600+FOM is legit! Let me know if you want to go look for hogs next time your up at Ares.
That was actually my class at DA1. We do some joint classes. Depending on which piston gun utm still works.
@@KineticConsulting LWRC? 👀
@@sparda1123 utm bolts will work
420th like, blaze it bois.
Cool intro
L3 is the way
👍👍
it is worth it just to look at the stars all night lol
The rush I feel when I see meteor showers in detail is worth every penny. Not to mention the detail of the Andromeda galaxy.
@@ninpolife7749 that's rad as hell
@@ninpolife7749 Holy shit thats awesome
Subbed my brother.
Little questions, do you guys recommend me to buy a pvs31a or gpnvg18 LoL
If you have $40k to spend on quads then go buy 4 sets of PVS-31s for you and your buddies
oh hello mister quarterly video
lol
Thanks for the vid. So do nods have a shelf life?
Yes. Approximately 10k hours depending on environment and other factors.
Kinetic Consulting is that 10K run time? Or just sitting around? Do you replace parts in them at that point or is the whole unit?
@@joshuafreeman4459 run time. You'll need to swap the image intensifiers
@@KineticConsulting What's the estimated cost to replace L3 Gen3 WP tubes for a PVS-14?
@@ashiha13 the tubes are the expensive part. So about as much as you paid for the pvs'
Thoughts on ELBIT tubes?
I haven't played with any but I've heard good things.
@Smeeg Doodle Back in 2011 ITT became ITT/Exelis. Then in 2015 Harris acquired Exelis, which naturally included ITT as part of that acquisition & merging. Not too long afterwards in 2019 L3 decided it wanted to buy and perform an equal merge with Harris, so L3 & Harris performed an all-stock "merger of equals" becoming L3-Harris. Elbit Systems of America, the American division of the Israeli Elbit Systems, agreed to purchase Harris's night vision product line for $350 million, contingent on the completion of the merger with L3. That purchase closed in September 2019, and Harris Night Vision (ITT) was subsequently renamed Elbit Systems of America - Night Vision.
So in summary; right now the two US manufacturers of NVD's are L3 and Elbit...
Throughout the years and many business mergers ITT has been a leading trusted supplier of night vision equipment to the U.S. Military and allied nations. They won 100% of the U.S. Army OMNIBUS VI contract for aviation systems and 60% of the OMNI VI ground-systems contract, though I'm not sure what chunk they have of the newer OMNI VIII contract. Now to start wrapping this up, seeing as Elbit took ownership of Harris Night Vision (ITT/Exelis) in late 2019, when you buy Elbit you are essentially just buying a rebranded ITT/Exelis/Harris Night Vision Device. This is a long round about way of saying that you shouldn't have any concerns or worries about picking an Elbit tube if it has the spec you require or desire.
I'd suggest reading this if you need a primer on NVG specs:
www.nite-walker.com/post/2019/11/21/specs-for-dummies-101
** disclaimer: I have NO ties of any kind to the companies or websites mentioned in my comment **
I didn’t know Aziz Ansari was an oper8
🤣
I had a 3 month supply of pepper food and a tax return I used to save up for my pvs 14
Jon, what’s OMNI VII specs mean. I’ve been hearing and seeing this more and more. Is it a high quality? Thanks!!
It's a level with in the Generation 3 tubes. It's not new or high quality currently.
Thank you!
For a tube to meet OMNI 7 classification it has to meet certain specs. Omni 7 Minimum FOM is 1792. Tubes that have a OMNI rating are milspec tubes that met the contract for each OMNI which can be found on the faceplate of the tube.
@@KineticConsulting Omni 7 tubes minimums are higher quality than the military's current Omni 8 minimum.
Ok, if I want pvs 31's as a civilian, can I have a family member in law enforcement to buy them for me or does tnvc only sell pvs 31s to agencies?
There are some places you can get them but they will definitely not have a warranty or be serviceable. If you contact them they can get you all the info you need.
@@KineticConsulting thank you for the response. What do you think about the new 1531s? Are they superior to the 31s?
@@legolasgrof never heard of them. Do you have a link?
@@KineticConsulting
Tnvc doesn't stock them yet but they are on l3's website. anvsinc.com/product/binocular-night-vision-device-bnvd-1531/
ADO Photoshop Breakdowns they are legit. We run them at work. Took a lot of the upsides of 15s and threw them into an articulating housing like the 31s with the ability for an external battery pack. They have adjustable diopters and use 14 optics.
What are you hunting there Jon.... 😉
Things...
Can I buy an ANVIS9 in EU ???
Im not sure. Unless you're an aviator and need them I wouldn't purchase anvis
You can build them
$200, call of duty dark edition. That's the cheapest way to get night vision lol.
Name of the song at the beginning!? Lol
It's in the description
Oh shit, thanks
My budget is total infinite
pbt? friend? lol
Not sure what you're asking. I need full sentences please.
Video sucks.
Don't start talking budget. Don't tell us to choose a housing. We don't know anything about housing choices.
Start with the basics.
1. How do you want to use it? Weapon mount, hand held, helmet mount?
2. Infrared? or white or green? Explain the differences and why one over the other. Then explain the hybrids
3. Quality vs cost.
4. Power sources.
5. Expansion options.
Last, show us a complete entry level for $2k and a complete $4k unit and explain the difference.
Maybe go back and watch the housing video he posted up before this video, that he talks about in the video.
maybe you should make your own video. and then you should taste test house cleaning products
Why is night vision and thermal always Shitty besides the government. What can I buy and could someone make really good night vision and just sell it?
What are you talking about man? You are able to get just as good or better night vision.
Kinetic Consulting yea Unless I wanna spend as much as a car lol
@@nathanbutcher1864 well, guess you can start saving 🤷🏽♂️
@Smoov Cat no I’m saying why tf is pretty good night Vision as much as a 2021 Cadillac Escalade 😂
@@nathanbutcher1864 Always weird to me when people complain about the price of night vision towards just people talking about it and not the actual people selling it.
GOD loves you enough to send HIS only SON to save you and if you repent and turn from your sins and be baptized in THE NAME OF THE FATHER, THE SON and THE HOLY SPIRIT. ((if you haven't )
Inshallah my brother