not relying on icy touch spamming feels good. although them moving rune strick onto a gcd feels bad. death strike giving health based on damage taken feels nice, especially when solo big packs, and on top of that the shield makes it even better. bloodworm actually provide some buffer. I am not sure how the new rune regeneration actually affect the rotation or priority. but overall, i think the rework of blood dk is good. love both my ppal and my bdk for sure.
while runstrike on gcd feels worse, its more damage than it just buffing ur next auto, and wit hthe new rune changes u wont be pressing a rune ability every gcd
When I heard about this, I was curious. Back in Cata, Blood DK's were just fucking broken. I remember doing an arena 3v3, everyone but me and the last opponent remained, both blood DK's, me a human and he a blood elf. That back and forth, with our allies watching on, literally went over 45 minutes because the death strike and other healing abilities when attacking were just absolutely OP. Did not make it fair, but god damn it was fun. Good old days of testing it, seeing how many raids one could solo. Good days.
Hey Subtle! I just wanted to clarify this if you could help me out: will I have any significant problems in Cata with my Prot Pally [since I don't plan on playing BDK] with tanking the HC content, just like - for example - the Prot Warrior in WoTLK [that no one really used after ToGC phase but even before] ? I know you said we are weak in the start and grow stronger later, but does that mean I will Not be a viable MT? Or will I need expert management of internal CDs and external CD calls etc ? Thanks !
Hey, prot pally should be able to handle everything, it'll just be a little bit more difficult. If your goal is week 1 full heroic clear i wouldn't recommend it, but if your group will likely take a few weeks or more to clear everything (which is the vast majority of groups) it shouldn't be too big of a deal with the gear you'll have at that point
So, not to rush you or anything but are you gonna do a Sod vid on pally tank anytime soon? Struggling hard with how to play it to get the best out of my pally
I actually stopped playing SOD, so unlikely to be doing anymore SOD content for the foreseeable future unfortunately. I made a vid about pally tanks before p2 came out if you haven't seen it, but unsure if any of it holds up now that the phase is out th-cam.com/video/UQOtpGk-8uo/w-d-xo.htmlsi=JIYIULBRiu3f4uBI
@@SubtleFW Aw that’s a shame. Was it that boring? I was just hoping for some numbers and gameplay, I don’t have the heart to be bad at tanking for my guild for the sake of testing things out myself. Best of luck out there!
LW is a fine choice. Gives 155 stam above replacement vs other professions giving +120. But stam isn't as important as it used to be and we prefer Mastery. So it comes down to getting your best stat from other profs vs getting comparatively more of not your best stat from LW. The value of an entire trinket + buffed mast/armor/resist elixirs from Alch more than makes up for getting the better bracer enchant
Early on I'll be Alchemy+Engineering. The alch trinket and engi helm are specifically what set them above the other choices early on. Both are ilvl 359 with great stats (346 blues are the bulk of the pre-raid stuff you get). Alch trinket is usable in Firelands and engi helm is far better than any other pre-raid helm because it's not only higher ilvl, but also the only helm you can get mastery on pre-raid. Ontop of those two items, you get other perks that are comparable to the passives other professions have. I'll probably adjust professions later on, likely BS when epic gems are out and possibly LW (gives 35 more stam above replacement than most other professions)
Sorry but are you sure about the battle res thing? Only 1 for 10 Man? I don't remember it that way... Also, are you sure the AMS doesn't grant runic power anymore ??? I've seen other guide saying otherwise
No worries. For combat rez - Here's the blue post about the combat rez change: www.wowhead.com/news/cataclysm-updated-combat-resurrection-design-173131 Here's some discussion about combat rez limit from partway through Cata since the blue post was before launch: www.mmo-champion.com/threads/909801-raid-battle-rez For AMS - Here's a vid example. If you slow down the playback speed to 0.25 it's really clear AMS doesn't generate Runic Power. He absorbs 97,417 damage with AMS at about the same time he casts Dancing Rune Weapon (-60 Runic Power) and that's the only change to his Runic Power, a big loss and no gain. th-cam.com/video/jSyUTL5wVew/w-d-xo.htmlsi=nAOznIL7h1NB2HU_&t=66
coming back for cata 10m and im right back to subtle videos and it feels right
Haha welcome back!
boy was i happy when i saw a subtleftw DK tank vid for cata, been using your prot pala tech since TBC and i've been blasting! Thank you sensei.
Much more to come!
@@SubtleFW atleast 50% of the tank community would be in shambles spending hours to learn all this. me included, we appreciate you homie. god tank
not relying on icy touch spamming feels good. although them moving rune strick onto a gcd feels bad. death strike giving health based on damage taken feels nice, especially when solo big packs, and on top of that the shield makes it even better. bloodworm actually provide some buffer. I am not sure how the new rune regeneration actually affect the rotation or priority. but overall, i think the rework of blood dk is good. love both my ppal and my bdk for sure.
Yah blood dk feels much better in Cata. Can't wait!
while runstrike on gcd feels worse, its more damage than it just buffing ur next auto, and wit hthe new rune changes u wont be pressing a rune ability every gcd
When I heard about this, I was curious. Back in Cata, Blood DK's were just fucking broken. I remember doing an arena 3v3, everyone but me and the last opponent remained, both blood DK's, me a human and he a blood elf. That back and forth, with our allies watching on, literally went over 45 minutes because the death strike and other healing abilities when attacking were just absolutely OP. Did not make it fair, but god damn it was fun. Good old days of testing it, seeing how many raids one could solo. Good days.
does the stacks on bone shield have a cooldown, or will they all be gone instantly if you tank a big pack of mobs ?
There's an ICD on losing charges. I think it's 2 seconds but I'm not 100% sure
Super hyped for DK tanking in Cataclysm :D
hey Subtle, are you going to release a DK guide for blood?
Hey, yah I will have blood dk guides out. Trying to just practice it as much as I can and gather info right now
Never expected to see this vid from you, but i guess its rwasonable 😂
BDK is just too good in Cata
So to maximize vengeance and snap threat, run in backwards.
The bosses are gonna be so confused
Hey Subtle! I just wanted to clarify this if you could help me out: will I have any significant problems in Cata with my Prot Pally [since I don't plan on playing BDK] with tanking the HC content, just like - for example - the Prot Warrior in WoTLK [that no one really used after ToGC phase but even before] ? I know you said we are weak in the start and grow stronger later, but does that mean I will Not be a viable MT? Or will I need expert management of internal CDs and external CD calls etc ? Thanks !
Hey, prot pally should be able to handle everything, it'll just be a little bit more difficult. If your goal is week 1 full heroic clear i wouldn't recommend it, but if your group will likely take a few weeks or more to clear everything (which is the vast majority of groups) it shouldn't be too big of a deal with the gear you'll have at that point
Get the tolbarad tanking trinket and you are good until DS.
So, not to rush you or anything but are you gonna do a Sod vid on pally tank anytime soon? Struggling hard with how to play it to get the best out of my pally
I actually stopped playing SOD, so unlikely to be doing anymore SOD content for the foreseeable future unfortunately. I made a vid about pally tanks before p2 came out if you haven't seen it, but unsure if any of it holds up now that the phase is out th-cam.com/video/UQOtpGk-8uo/w-d-xo.htmlsi=JIYIULBRiu3f4uBI
@@SubtleFW Aw that’s a shame. Was it that boring? I was just hoping for some numbers and gameplay, I don’t have the heart to be bad at tanking for my guild for the sake of testing things out myself. Best of luck out there!
Thoughts on profs for PvE Blood?
Alch+Engi probably. Alch trinket is usable into Firelands and Engi helm is pre-bis. Ontop of the other benefits each prof has
@@SubtleFW Hearing the claim from Scottejay's group that LW is bis along with engi for the wrist chant, thoughts?
LW is a fine choice. Gives 155 stam above replacement vs other professions giving +120. But stam isn't as important as it used to be and we prefer Mastery. So it comes down to getting your best stat from other profs vs getting comparatively more of not your best stat from LW. The value of an entire trinket + buffed mast/armor/resist elixirs from Alch more than makes up for getting the better bracer enchant
@@SubtleFW You're beautiful
best tank content out there id pay for some of your time
Thanks! I offer coaching for $30/hr. You can contact me on discord @subtlefw if you're interested
Great video as always.
Warrior next?
Yah within the next 2 weeks
Best professions for Blood dk in cata?
Early on I'll be Alchemy+Engineering. The alch trinket and engi helm are specifically what set them above the other choices early on. Both are ilvl 359 with great stats (346 blues are the bulk of the pre-raid stuff you get). Alch trinket is usable in Firelands and engi helm is far better than any other pre-raid helm because it's not only higher ilvl, but also the only helm you can get mastery on pre-raid. Ontop of those two items, you get other perks that are comparable to the passives other professions have. I'll probably adjust professions later on, likely BS when epic gems are out and possibly LW (gives 35 more stam above replacement than most other professions)
Sorry but are you sure about the battle res thing? Only 1 for 10 Man? I don't remember it that way...
Also, are you sure the AMS doesn't grant runic power anymore ???
I've seen other guide saying otherwise
No worries. For combat rez -
Here's the blue post about the combat rez change: www.wowhead.com/news/cataclysm-updated-combat-resurrection-design-173131
Here's some discussion about combat rez limit from partway through Cata since the blue post was before launch: www.mmo-champion.com/threads/909801-raid-battle-rez
For AMS -
Here's a vid example. If you slow down the playback speed to 0.25 it's really clear AMS doesn't generate Runic Power. He absorbs 97,417 damage with AMS at about the same time he casts Dancing Rune Weapon (-60 Runic Power) and that's the only change to his Runic Power, a big loss and no gain. th-cam.com/video/jSyUTL5wVew/w-d-xo.htmlsi=nAOznIL7h1NB2HU_&t=66
Thanks a lot for your answers ! Keep up the good work !
Ty for video!
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