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The flashes of old Blackthorne were a dream of what his future could be. John never leaves Japan as his historical counterpart never did
That thing was straight out of [Inception]. An old man, filled with regret, clutching on to Mariko’s crucifix, just waiting to die…
True. The "Old Blackthorne" scene was a sign that he didn't willing to let go of Mariko. Finally when he was in the boat with Fuji, that scene was erased from his mind & he let Mariko go.
Yabushige previously said the exact same line to Omi, ``Why tell a dead man the future?'' In the first episode, there was a scene where they discuss whether to report weapons from overseas to Toranaga.
At the last moment, Yabushige realized that Toranaga knew this.
Then they smile back at each other.
I also noticed that which is so cool🙌🏾
Omi was with Toranaga from the start.
Really liked the moment whenn Toranaga said ''Why tell a dead man the future'' it was a reference to what Yabushige said about Toranaga to Omi in the early episodes, which could only mean Omi was working for Toranaga from the start. Checkmate
Omi was smart enough to realise that his uncle was an idiot
@@ryanmurphy7976 His uncle wasn't an idiot, but was was highly anxious and easily suceptable to stress, which made him make certain decisions.
@rauliuxaa even the other clans Lords didn't take him seriously. ishido used him like his pet dog he was brave Samurai, but a fool also
i couldnt hold back tears when john was crying in the boat. some dam fine acting in this show all around
Also fun historical fact, the real life person equivalent to Buntaro went on to be one of the greatest swordsmen in history and racked up a huge body count at Sekigahara
Yes, he is one of the most feared Samurai in Tokugawa Ieyasu (Yoshii Toranaga) era
He also, remarkably, outlived most of the real-life folk from this story.
The plan was to not have that big battle.. He wanted peace for the land, not a giant bloodbath to precede it.. I also think he did not let john second that guy because he wanted to chat with his "buddy" one last time, maybe rub his nose in it a bit and let him suffer a few extra seconds longer than John would have let him. I think his smirk was a yes to wanting to be shogun and also for pausing before finishing him off, for a few more seconds of pain he deserved.
I leave it enjoyable to this show.
Taikou's(Hideyoshi)deathbed poem “ I was born like the dew and fall disappear. The thing was in Osaka seamed to be a dream of a dream.“
Ieyasu's(Toranaga)deathbed poem“ I woke up feeling happy and I knew my dream had come true at cremzon sky(morning sky) Let's sleep again“
薮重の人気がすごいですね🤭
・表情が豊かで嘘がバレやすいこと。
・遺言が明らかになったこと。
・命乞いしていた按針に命乞いしていたこと。
ユーモアがあって、憎めないし、
どれも愛おしい〜。
To answer your question about why Blackthorne needs to know about shipbuilding, the historical model William Adams was apprenticed to a shipyard shortly after his father's death in the age of 12.
He studied shipbuilding, astronomy and navigation there for 12 years (i.e. he must also have had an unimaginable knowledge of the mathematics and physics of the time for normal sailors).
He then joined the Royal Navy and sailed under Sir Francis Drake, who defeated the Spanish Armada, the most powerful naval force in the known world at the time.
He then spent another 10 years as a navigator on merchant ships between England and North Africa.
In addition to English, he spoke Portuguese, Spanish and Dutch, and later Japanese.
This is a little too short in the show, but Blackthorne (Adams) was anything but a normal sailor.
Navigators were the most important people on board ships, usually even before the captain.
Still a great reaction to a breathtaking show imo.
Greetings
No matter how many times I watch it, Buntaro is stepped on, kicked, and left alone, but no one sympathizes with him. Behind the deep double fence, he lives his life cherishing his father and his wife.
The military commander who was the model for the real-life Buntaro personally collected the remains of his wife who died in the explosion, gave her a Catholic funeral, and even built a Catholic church for his wife. Every year, he held a memorial service for his wife in a Catholic ceremony.
He was a samurai who was active under Ieyasu.
Buntaro is not just a domestic violence man🥲
Well, maybe he could have changed into a more appreciative husband and father?
No matter how wonderful the man, hypergamy always kicks in, under the right emotions and conditions, like we saw with Mariko, she will cheat & betray.
@@KristiinaBerg Pretty sure it's even said in the books that despite hating her clan due to the consequences they have to face because of her father's action of treachory buntaro was indeed madly in love with his wife but mariko never loved him and thus never reciprocated those feelings while she already have a negative first impression of him and since he didn't even fulfill her wish to do seppuko she already decided to always act cold in front of him whenever he is around sp buntaro could indeed notice this change in expression whenever he enters the room which naturally only further worsen their relationship. I am not saying that what buntaro did wasn't wrong ibut it's still pretty evident to the reader that she was so fixated upon her trauma that there was no way she would have given him or their marriage another chance.
27:12
Didn't catch it the first time, but I realized Fuji-sama says
"Yes, Ama"
It is the first and maybe last time Fuji-sama uses English. Only one word, but means alot.
Blackthorne was apprenticed to a shipbuilder before he went to sea.
Also with him telling yabu why tell the future to a dead man thats the same thing yabu said to his nephew the first episode about the ship,canons and the barbarian.
Great catch!
Omi was the spy, then.
The cord in Toranaga's hand at the end looks like a leash you attach to the bird's feet to keep it on your fist or wrist.
It’s the ties for his sleeves. You can see them clearly when he draws his sword with Yabushige.
“No translator.” 😢
That little smile, a moment of understanding, even comradeship between two men. Says much.
Yabushige: [unsaid] You sneaky bastard! I ended up doing exactly what you wanted me to do, afterall! *smiles*
Toranaga: [unsaid] you have served me well. *Smiles*
Head rolls off.
In episode one yabushige was talking to omi about the canons and asked if they should tell toranaga.. and yabushige said “why tell him when he will be dead soon” and that is basically the last thing toranaga said to yabushige… I think the smile was yabushige realizing toranaga hears everything even that line he said to omi
You could also interpret it as an answer to his question, if its his secret wish to become Shogun.
@@heesoo18 Indeed, i think there's a lot of signs that Omi was working directly for Toranaga the entire time, like manipulating Toranaga's son, that line obviously, and why he recieved control of the cannon regiment etc.
@@SovermanandVioboy these interpretations are not mutually exclusive. They could all be true at the same time.
Toranaga's purpose is peaceful world without war. 🏯
Many tourists are now coming to Edo, which he built. 🏯🏘🏘
「Welcome to the peaceful world of Tokyo !」🏯🏢🏢
The battle was fought. But then there was peace - well more or less - for more than 250 years.
I assume Ishido's history is similar to Ishida's, therefore he was always a bureaucrat, he was Taiko's Inspector General in Korea
“A nation without wars, a great era of peace” that was Toranaga goal, it wasn’t just selfish hypocrisy as Yabu suggested
I am so sad it’s over but I’m so happy it happened
After the drama in real life, ochibano kata start the civil conflict against toranaga because toranaga didn't put ochibano kata’s son to next shogun. So she started the war. (Osaka no Jin) that will be season 2?😂
Mariko was the instrument, assisted by Lady Ochiba's mother. On her deathbed she urged Ochiba to stop the nonsense, to set everyone free.
最後に大戦闘が観たかった視聴者には残念なラストかも知れません。
実際に関ヶ原の合戦では多数の軍勢による戦闘が行われましたが、敵の寝返りや戦況を見るだけで参加しなかった軍勢などもおり、結果として虎長が勝利します。
アクションシーンを観たかった気もありますが、戦う前に有利になる戦況へ導く為の戦略がこのドラマの主体であり、その戦を経て260年続く平和な統一国家を暗示するためには過剰な生き死にの映像や表現をこれ以上必要ではなかったのかも知れません。
平和を願った原作者の詩的な終わり方に乾杯🥂
In retrospect, this explains why Yoshi didn't help John brace the doorway during the attempted kidnapping of Mariko...because he was in on it the whole time.
58:59 He had the vision when he passed out after the explosion, he only found out Mariko died after he woke up
I've enjoyed Yabushige too, but to say he's been "thrown back and forth like a yo-yo" isn't accurate - he threw his own loyalty back and forth like a damn yo-yo, more like! That said, his death tugged at the heartstrings but it was warranted. So many beautiful moments in this finale, so many poignant goodbyes to characters that we've all come to love, hate or accept despite their flaws - but I'll forever be grateful we were gifted a show that had quality and care at its heart, at EVERY level. The impeccable score, the writing, the cinematography, the direction, the performances - it deserves all the awards.
Thanks for covering this show, and for being as appreciative and emotionally invested in it, as the rest of us! It's been a pleasure hearing your opinions and listening to your discussions! Good job!
Such an emotional episode
Blackthorne's last scene with Fuji is, to me, one of the most beautiful of the entire damn show. The visuals are stunning, as always with this show, and the actress is a pure Japanese beauty, such a revelation. I just wish they made it clear that she wasn't gonna leave him.
Oh, and that moment Toranaga smirked back to Yabushige is one of the coolest things I've seen Japanese actors do, like, ever. ^^
i think they made it pretty clear she wouldnt leave, from that smile she had and last wide shot of them together in the boat on the ocean.
「女は生きていれば全てを失うやもしれぬ。じゃが全てを取り返すこともできよう」
A woman might lose everything if she lives. But she can also get it all back.
i thought toranaga had mariko’s necklace at the end too but if you go back to his other scenes, he has ties on his sleeves and that’s what we saw at the end. these have been great reactions guys! ❤️
In actual history , the daughter of Tadaoki Hosokawa (Buntaro) and Gracia Hosokawa (Mariko) is the ancestor of the Japanese Emperor.
*Whenever Blackthorne makes a request or anybody else makes any request concerning him*
Toranaga-sama: *NO!*
31:18 Blackthorne saying he came to use Toranaga is a commentary on the Western Notion of friends of convenience, “the enemy of my enemy is my friend”…and How it was completely different from how Japanese viewed loyalty.
All the good things he ever did in the show, he did with an ulterior motive and only served himself. Let me enumerate a few examples.
1. Drawing a map of the world and all the info he revealed. This was meant for him to try to increase his importance and turn Toranaga against the portuguese.
2. Helping him escape Osaka the first time. This should be obvious. He just didnt want to die getting caught up in his escape plan.
3. Saving him from the earthquake. In his mind he is thinking “now Toranaga owes me a huge favor. Maybe now he will allow me to go after the black ship”.
The first completely selfless thing he does was to perform that ritual suicide in protest for how Toranaga was treating the Village. And he did that all for Fuji-sama. 🥹🥹🥹
Blackthorne also admits his war is “Tsumaranai” which can also be translated to petty/insignificant/worthless; in reference to his earlier convo with Alvito about the petty battles between Catholic and Protestant and Calvinists and all the other shitists. And it was also him letting go of his selfish ambitions and dreams to be a celebrated man in England.
Toranaga sees this. He has passed the test. So he denies him his death, gives him the “people’s elbow”, and pretty much tells him: “now you’re one of us. Now you will build that ship and use it FOR ME”
Well, I don't know if Blackthorne needed any "lessons" from Toranaga about unselfishness. He was the first to defend him against the shinobi assassin and was ready to try to rescue Buntaro to the dinghy. And he helped to rescue Ricardo and so on. He was appalled by the killing of Fuji's baby (rightly so). John Blackthorne was a decent human being from the get go, rough around the edges and with his own ambitions of course. A solid character beautifully fleshed out by Cosmo Jarvis.
@@KristiinaBerg again, everything Blackthorne ever did had an ulterior motive. He was not a “Loyal subject/ally” in the same way Mariko-sama was. This is not to say he was not a compelling character or that at times his moral compass did not shine through, because they did. But, at the end of the day, it had all been to ingratiate himself to the side he ended up falling in line with.
As for the killing of the baby, as a Christian Asian, i am also appalled by it. But, if that did not happen, drawing a sword, even partly, to a Reagent Council member would have been sufficient excuse to insinuate warmongering and would have seen all of them, the Lord, the guy who pulled the sword, his wife and baby, all dead anyway.
@@khaii13 We definitely disagree on Blackthorne having an ulterior motive in "everything" or we have watched different shows. Toranaga never gave him his ship and crew back as was promised and that was dishonest. I have not read the books so I do not know how Blackthorne was depicted there. The problem that I see here is seeing the Japanese culture of the era as superior to the Western culture. There are fallacies on both sides, there are no perfect cultures, all need to learn from each other.
@@KristiinaBerg did Toranaga actually make that promise? Did he say he agreed? Can you time stamp when he exactly said he agreed to give back the ship and crew?
And no, i am not trying to prove that one culture is superior to another in any way shape or form. Im just describing things, in as much as they were depicted and whatever understanding of them that i have, as plainly as they are, as best as i could.
@@khaii13 That is the way Blackthorne understood it, so at least Toranaga owes him by saying "you understood me wrong." Where did you get the idea what Blackthorne was thinking when he rescued Toranaga in the landslide? From the book? There was nothing in the show to suggest anything other than an instant reaction of helping someone. Anyways, if Blackthorne had all these ulterior motives and he was only looking after himself until episode 10, then Mariko-sama fell in love with the wrong man.
First! This is a fitting ending!
Yabushige was really the MVP of the show. The character was the lever that moved much of the plot forward, and he was bloody entertaining all throughout the process.
and couldnt have chosen a better actor. he was one of my fave characters
10 out of 10
After that, for many decades
Toranaga won't let Anjin go back to England.😂
実際のウイリアム·アダムスは1614年に家康から帰国を許され、旗本を辞職して長崎に行ったが、東インド会社の司令官と大喧嘩して船に乗らず、江戸にも帰らず、長崎で6年過ごし55才で亡くなった。その頃にはオランダが、日本や台湾の利権を独り占めしてしまっていた。🤣
I liked the OG Yabushige death poem better
What are Clouds
But an excuse for the sky
What is Life
But an escape from death
So much better than the juvenile attempt we get here
I had no predictions going into this whether Yabushige was going to die, I just knew I wanted him to after Ep 9. And somehow I still like him - god what a character!
Found you guys looking for Shogun reactions - really enjoyed watching you and your commentary
One for comment algorithm another after watching this🇯🇵🙏
Blackthorne knew quite a bit about the construction and repair of ships as part of his pilot's training. Pilots were formally educated in their craft and had to be literate to read the rutters and charts. And Blackthorne specifically reveals in his backstory that he spent much time in the English and Dutch Shipyards.
In the book he hauls the wreck up onto the beach so that he can cannibalize it for any materials that can be salvaged to be used in the building of the next ship. Which he is planning to christen the Mariko.
The way to understand what is happening there is to listen to people without interrupting them.
However, Japanese culture is not enough.
Not only the story, but also while the person's heart is moving, you can't understand it unless you feel it quietly.
However, if you can keep an eye on it, you can see the scenery that the person is expressing together.
If you do cover Monarch, Legacy of Monsters, Anna Sawai is also in that show so you can get your Mariko fix. I would cover Severance, Silo or even Foundation, if you cover and Apple show.
All of those are under consideration!
This is my first comment. I am Japanese.
This title is “A Dream Within a Dream.”
Anjin was old and sleeping with a necklace on his left hand.
Anjin clung to Mariko's grief. It was Anjin's own dream (future).
But by throwing the necklace into the lake, his own future changed.
When he decided to die for the villagers, he turned around and looked forward as if he had made up his mind. For in his own dream, he himself was alive, but he had decided to die here. It turned out that it had been a dream.
I interpreted it that way.
Phenomenal Episode and Amazing Show! Great Reaction and Review as Always, I Loved this show very Interested if they do a Follow up or Leave it here Ether way Im Happy Thanks Guy's 🇯🇵☯️💚🤘
Omg you guys got something in your ear, is not Maruiko is Mariko lol
Toranaga is a master manipulator who used everyone around him to achieve his goal. He deceived everyone into thinking he's righteous when in fact he is no different from everyone else.
"A Dream of a Dream" - Blackthorn going back, growing old and dying in England is a Dream which he had to let go. He never left the Japans.
Has this story changed your image of Japan?
Alot people sacrifice themselves for Toranaga plan because it was for the greater good a japan without wars and peace
You should watch Last Samurai
We’ve seen it. One of Shane’s favorite movies
T_bag, will u reaction prison break too? ITS awesome too:)
you should react The Expanse
Great series.
Watch the original show… just to warn you the Japanese isn’t translated bc the show runner said if anjin doesn’t understand than we shouldn’t
Well we caught a lot of flack for not understanding Japanese people when we COULD understand what they were saying, so…
“The Ogre lost his precious Leafless Branch the moment he crushed the Flower underfoot; sisters in the end, after all”
「オーガは、彼が足元に花を押しつぶした瞬間に、彼の貴重な葉のない枝を失いました。結局のところ、姉妹」
For the first time in the entire series, Ochiba sama looks directly to Ishido while talking to him; in all other episodes, she glances at him but looks away. That was the most subtle, passive-aggressive death stare I have seen on screen to date.🫣
Yabushige and Toranaga smirking at each other in the end was awesome, too. Yabushige got the best end he could have gotten, considering all he has done: realizing that whether he knew it or not, he has served his Lord Toranaga excellently. And maybe, just maybe, lightening the burden in his conscience a bit, afterall: a future Toranaga victory will never come to pass if Mariko did not die INSIDE of Osaka. An understanding passed between them, no words needed to be said: Toranaga desires to be Shogun, afterall.
Goodbye to our favourite sociopath.
Blackthorne kills a possible future version of himself-an old man, filled with regret, clutching on to Mariko’s crucifix-by mirroring Mariko (literally doing a ritual su!c!d3 like a woman [a blade through the heart] instead of seppuku [slicing his belly open] like a samurai would) in order to protect Ajiro: the first completely selfless thing he has done in the show; and also by letting that exact same crucifix go into the water along with the ashes of Fuji-sama’s family. And to think he did all those things mostly as an act of kindness to Fuji-sama… she deserves the best. 🥹🥹
"I forcced fate to gaze upon me so that I can pluck its eyes out"
-Ochiba no Kata
Also, the fact that Anjin used the word 詰まらない【つまらない】 (tsumaranai) when he said “my war is small” can also be translated to “my wars are petty/trivial/silly/worthless” in reference to his ambitions and designs for England and his war against the Catholics. That was him letting go of his personal ambitions for something greater.
The entire show (and the novel it was based on) was one giant setup to place Toranaga in a position to win the final battle.
The broad strokes of the scenario for the final battle were revealed, but the details of the final battle plan (along with the final politics to fully turn all the lords who now have a soured opinion of Ishido) and how the battle actually ensued are still hidden.
So who is ready for a “new/separate” mini-series or feature film titled “Sekigahara”?