My mom saw this trailer and was like “You should watch it!” Then when I told her it was stereotypical she rolled her eyes like “You guys are so sensitive.” *EXCUSE ME DID YOU FORGET WHAT BEING AN ALLY IS 🤨?*
I know to not judge a book by its cover but man...this is on thin ice. Looks like a good-natured facebook mom took a meme too literally and made a show about it to support her lgbt+ kid. It's trying to do something and not intentionally mocking anyone but if you know you know. I mean, I can say I've seen worse (trailers) but that's not exactly a compliment. Who knows, it may still come out decent or good even
They need to release better trailers, then!! Firstly, that's that entire point of a trailer; for you to make a judgement about if the piece of media, in question, is worth consuming or not. But secondly, how are you gonna release *these* trailers, but throw a hissy fit when we point out how ridiculous they make the show look?! I'm tired!! I can count on one hand how many times a show/movie fronted by trailers this awful turned out to be good.
I’m a huge fan of edgy humor and dark comedy myself, but I’m sick of seeing SO many adult shows being like “the joke is that it’s offensive”. It just feels like lazy writing. I’m a firm believer that basically anything can be joked about, but ultimately the way in which a joke is written can make or break it. One movie that I feel does dark humor very well is Jojo Rabbit. While it does touch on extremely dark topics due to the nature of being set in 1940s Germany, the humor is an integral part of the storytelling and has depth to it. It serves to show how ridiculous the N@zi ideology really was, and accurately portrays how a child might perceive being indoctrinated into those beliefs. While it’s very different in nature, Brandon Rogers’ way of writing edgy comedy (both in his original works and Helluva Boss) is also an example of good writing. While he may write jokes based around gay characters, it tends to go beyond “he’s gay- that’s the joke” and instead explores the comedy surrounding the relationship dynamics themselves, never really confusing orientation for personality. While his comedy style is very in-your-face offensive, there’s a lot of nuance within the writing itself to make it genuinely funny. Hopefully I’m wrong about Q-Force, but it seems like most of the comedy comes from “here’s a stereotype: isn’t that wacky?” rather than exploring the comedy that could come from breaking stereotypes or group dynamics. There’s no subversion of expectation beyond “gay people spy show”, which makes it fall flat almost immediately.
Honestly, they do a better job than what the trailer let on, just be fully aware that this is a satire show. Bringing in some less good sides and some good sides of the community.
I agree. I'm sick of seeing Family Guy clones with bland animation, 2-Dimensional characters, lazy humor, and the same formula every time! Can we go back to having experimental insanity like 12 Oz. Mouse and clever, witty comedy, like The Simpsons?
The worst part is, there is a way to do good gay jokes. The "Get a girlfriend son!" "Or a boyfriend, he's bi!" "Damn, no one want you" meme is PEAK bi humor it's so fucking funny!!! "I like your name" "Thanks, I chose it myself!" GOOD TRANS JOKE!! there is a way to do good lgbt humor people are just lazy
@@fartsmella9267 istfg I HATE how about every gay man in the media as representation is some over the top drag queen, like there are hella different types of people with passions and their sexuality literally changes nothing.
if stat (is that her name? the hacker person) is asexual im going to have very mixed feelings about it. On the one hand it's nice to have some representation on asexuality but if it furthers the stereotype of asexual=robot that's unacceptable.
i don`t remember if someone referred to them in the third in the teaser or the trailer, but based on their name, they could be non-binary. Though, that would be kind of a stereotype too...
I suspected Stat would be non binary, but i didn't consider them being ace. Man, I'm just tired of shitty ace rep. Literally been the reason it took me almost 10 years to realize that im ace.
@@junew8133 honestly! I think I can only name two cannon asexual characters that were good representation, and one was a very minor side character... if they're nonbinary hopefully its done in a good way, if they're ace I have very little hope for it being good and accurate representation
Honestly nowadays whenever something is explicitly advertised as ""for LGBTQ+ people"" my fight or flight response immediately activates I think I've learned the hard way that the genuinely good ones usually never advertise themselves as ""for gays"" because they treat it like a completely natural thing and it's very nice
True just like how Steven universe, Owl House, adventure time and more never ONCE advertised like "HEY LGBTQ COMMUNITY COME HERE THIS SHOW HAS LGBTQ CHARACTERS SO U GUYS MUST LIKE IT". Now whenever I see a show doing that I'll just know I'll be disappointed so I'll just keep my expectations low
EXACTLY!!!! like in my very humble opinion as a bisexual person, I think that casually putting lgbtq+ characters in a show like its not a big deal its better because that way we can normalize it and dont treat lgbtq+ people like this exotic addition to a show.
@@tenritniehtnoyugmodnar5661 bro whats ur problem w/ the reboot?i know it got flaws,but it is quite entertainning and the art style>>>>>than the original
I think sadly alot of adult media use the "dark humor" as a way to be bigoted or push bigoted politics (ie Rick and Morty defneding the r slur despite none of the writers being neurodivergent or mentally disabled, or Seth Mcfarlane's body of work being a bunch of -isms, and the vast majority of adult shows punching down, Pen & Teller mocking disabled people's rights). And many adults unfortunately arent educated on topics like sexism, ableism, homophobia, etc. (or at least not to an extent that they can truely grasp all the microagressions and abuse minorities suffer). There's no maturity, it feels like stuff I woulda watched when I was in middle school. Only aadultthing about it is saying cusses. But at its core children's media's goal is to educate, it avoids the kinda dark humor that punches down (The Owl house and queer rep/having an episode dedicated to not trying to "fix" people's disabilities, Infinity train and divorce, etc) in at least modern kids cartoons (older series have the same issues as new adult media.)
It’s definitely a valid concern over media showing black women as hyper masculine, but it doesn’t mean we shouldn’t have any black lesbian or stud representation at all. Like yeah a lot of straight ppl think lesbians are all masculine, but there’s actually very little butch/stud representation period in media, especially one that’s not a joke. It’d be nice having a character that’s unapologetically a stud while also not being 24/7 aggressive angry black woman: butches/studs can be sensitive and sweet! So I’m overall torn on Deb right now, and am curious to see how the show will handle her
Yeah idk why people act like there's so much masc lesbian rep when the overwhelming majority of queer women characters are feminine or slightly tomboyish
Agreed. I'm tbh really torn with forming my opinion. Theres people hating the show because they have a more masculine black lesbian in it, but then some people are saying that that's great. Sooo, is it a harmful stereotype or an underrepresented part of the community??
@@radiationshepherd yes! I see so many people complaining about not having enough femme x femme relationships when I would argue the vaaast mayority of sapphic couples are like that! If anything, masc x masc is reaaaally weird to see in media, like I can't think of an example, really; and masc x femme is in between: while I have seen some, there are deffinitely less than femme x femme. So sometimes I feel like I live in another universe when people say that lol
@@lukaurbankitek6019 I think it depends, if the character is well fleshed and developed, I believe they can be great representation for masc sapphics, but if they just end up being a steryotipe...then y i k e s. It doesn't seem like the best show...to say te least... but I really hope they don't do the second
It's okay to create content that makes jokes of marginalized people. The only issue with THIS content is that it's only 0,1% funny and otherwise dumb cringe. Even then it's okay for it to exist. We can simply choose to not watch it.
This made me appreciate shows like The Owl House and She-ra and The Princesses of Power soooo much more. Those are two examples of shows that have an amazing representation of LGBTQ people and racial diversity within the community :) plus they’re both written, produced, and animated by people within the community.
Honestly, this show is not as bad as some people make it out to be. Sure there is *some* stereotype jokes, but the characters are more than stereotypes and results in decent representation. Not the best show ever, but not the worst.
I would like to discuss the black lesbian, as a well black lesbian, and to put it simply I agree with you and I’m glad you brought it up. It’s exhausting as a black person especially for black lesbians to see stuff like this because we are more than beefy, buzz cut, strong, masculine ppl, I’ve seen this stereotype every fucking where and it’s annoying as hell. Like I cut my hair recently and I do have a buzz cut, but it is annoying for someone to just come up to me, look at my hair cut and be like “omg you got a buzz cut are you like a lesbian?” Like yeah I am a lesbian but I didn’t cut my hair to be perceived as a lesbian. I didn’t cut my hair to scream “LOOK GUYS IM A LESBIAN” I did it for myself because I thought I would look and feel nice. To end this if you’re gonna write a black character or in particular a black lesbian asks black lesbians lmao because these stereotypes hurt us and our community more than you think.
I had the exact same experience. I shaved my natural hair down and went to school back when i was in high school and suddenly everyone thought i was a lesbian. I also hate the fact that many black female characters always have to be portrayed as “strong, independent, aggressive” woman. Its almost as if they think just because you’re a black woman that you cant be feminine or vulnerable. It’s really annoying. Even in the black community, a lot of the men call the women masculine or are derogatory towards them. Its really frustrating to see
Do you feel it's the stereotypical misogynoir depiction of black women as more masculine in general, combined with the stereotypical depiction of butch lesbian women as hypermasculine, that's at play here? Edit: I wanted to make sure I understood wholly what you were expressing. I am sorry these very hurtful stereotypes still exist.
@@Kormeister I think it’s just easy for people to put the butch stereotype onto us because due to society’s racism saying we are seen as more masculine.
No offense but can you tell me what’s wrong with that. Some androgynous enbies exist in real life. ( sorry if it sounds like I’m being insensitive I’m genuinely asking)
@@honeytoast9204 androgynous and feminine or masculine non-binary people exist irl, but usually when there is non-binary representation on shows it’s only androgynous people so yeah people watching the show want more diverse representation
@It's Because but i'm 19 and my name is jared and i have a brand to stick with :\ but in all seriousness - my point stands. I really don't see the relevance of saying 'this is why i have my kids watch kids shows'. qforce isn't made to be representative of young queer people like owl house, shera or stephen universe. it's an adult comedy show. For adults. Who have already grown up. Children *shouldn't* be watching this.
As someone who is black and a "femme", it is very aggravating that there isn't any representation for us. Not only that but it's very aggravating to see that stereotype being pushed. Also I feel like the "secret" might be that the hacker is trans or something idk
They cant represent ALL the diversity. I think this could actually be good if they here less on the face with the names and more action funny like Totally Spies
@@ianesgrecia8568 of course they can't but the hypermasculine black woman is still a racial stereotype that continues to prevail in media of course masculine black women exist, but its still disheartening to see
@@ianesgrecia8568 Literally this whole show is full of stereotypes. It’s not even real representation so it doesn’t even matter if there’s “diversity”.
Have a feeling my mom will use this to “show her support” for me like with every other shitty offensive show that has queer people in it. Obviously it’s not her fault she doesn’t really know better, but I am so sick of things like this being the only rep we have because people like my mom will watch it to understand me and she’ll get it wrong
Have her watch Transformers Prime instead and them pull up Arcee's penis. I guarantee she will view it differently and maybe give a damn. (Every male and female has both genitalia, confirmed back in the creating in 1980 by the author.)
My take as a black sapphic. This is going to be a rant. Although I wish we had more varied representation than the hyper-sexualised ultra femme fetale or the ultra masc aggressive stereotype, I wish we treated black female or female aligned mascs with more respect in this discourse. Because we don’t insult the ultra femme stereotype as we do the masc one. Because masculinity has been so forced on us (and not just masculinity - an animalistic form of masculinity that is associated with blackness) we can often try so hard to get away from it whilst stepping on black female mascs unintentionally. I wish we had a black female masc that wasn’t aggressive or extreme but that’s just the way she lives her life without being the target of bullying or being viewed as unattractive by everyone. I just think we as black sapphics deserve better and we deserve to embrace whatever qualities we want to without being fearful of our existence being a nuisance and pulling back the community. Okay my thumbs are tired. Love this channel btw.
The show cant represent ALL the diversity. I'm already happy that there is A CHANCE to some Assexual representation on Stats. For me they could be less on your face with the names and more action funny like Totally Spies
@@imaneclair4836Very much agreed. In part. Stereotypes have their place and are constantly used on tv as the means to something familiar to the audience. The LGBT community, while important, is NOT the bigger part of the world and viewers. Let's look at Totally Spies as exemple. You have 3 stereotypes: Clover is the girly girl who lose her mind on boys all the time Alex is the sport/tomboy girl with short hair and extrovert atitude Sam is the shyer smart girl with A+ academics. They are all stereotypes, but they are also more them that. They can kick ass, go to the mall to shop and have fun with a great friendship. The Q-force show actually have this on their favor. The blond just-out-of-the-closed guy has the actual incentive to push foward, The Lesbian is clearly the voice of reason and realistic of the group, the non-binary/trans/ace/still confused about Stats is the one with sarcastic and pessimist of the group and the twink is the comic relief all shows need to aliviate on too tense moments. They have 2 big problems in my mind: The first is Twink dont having a real name. That put him in a bad position to those on the audience to futher the stereotype just like you said. If he had a real name it would fall on his actual personality and fun traits instead. The second is the advertisement. If they had focused less on diverse propaganda and more on action fun they'd actually get the audience. Just look how much better the people found the second trailer. There is a video someone made 'fixing' the trailer and is basically just the actions part cut on. Watching that video made me WANT to watch the show because it has everything we need: Color, action, fun and excessive explosions. People just shut down on something that was to advertise themselves on ''diversity' instead of the actual premiss of the show.
@@ianesgrecia8568 stereotypes in tv are okay when they’re not problematic racial stereotypes, problematic gay stereotypes, etc. Having a character being a tomboy is different from having a hyperaggresive lesbian.
@@Eosinophyllis From the trailer she seems more a realistic them agressive. As I said, probably the voice of reason of the group. Or the most level headed.
I actually like this show and it’s references ♥️ I think it’s cute, and funny and has its moments where you see personal aspects of each character. Sure it might have some moments but I think its story line is good.
If representation wasn’t so scarce, maybe I’d feel differently. But as it is, jokes being made at the expense of the queer community feel especially shitty when there is so precious little good representation out there to act as a counterweight
It blows my mind... how our OWN community are straight up the harshest critics of media made by us for us. The show was good, it made me chuckle. It's not the Mona Lisa but you can tell it was made with effort and love.
I'm pretty sure a lot if the hate that the show gets is mostly just bandwagon hate from people who didn't actually watch the show and are just going off the awfull trailers that Netflix put out its a shame cause it is a good show and I would much rather a second season of this than half of the animated shows Netflix keeps putting out and renewing
harsh criticism is hard for people to swallow. I get it. But oftentimes it comes from a genuine place of communities wanting people to do better. They have a right to hold creators to a standard when the stories deal with their communities because we know what happens when communities are misrepresented. Its the same with any other community (me talking from the lens of a POC myself). We are harsh critics because we care and we are also tired of having to voice our concerns nicely because people will do whatever they want anyway. With that said, god bless freedom of speech. These creators can do whatever they want, we can criticise all we want, and we can enjoy whatever content we want. I will also say there is a lack of respect for creators so I agree with your statement especially the last piece. People dont realize how hard it is to write entire scripts or storyboard entire animated shows. Critics often dont care about that. But i think it would be nicer if just people in general remember that these creators behind the Netflix shows work very hard. Even if we do not like it we should always acknowledge the sweat blood and tears they pour into their creations. And thats me speaking as a creator myself.
Yeah I haven’t watched the show or even heard of it before watching this video. The only thing I can say is that I wish there was a trans, bi, pan, (or another identity that doesn’t always get representation in media) person in it
27:07 What I'm afraid about the character with "the secret" is that she might be trans or gnc, which would be Not Good™ !!! It'd be another "The Crying Game" in that a trans person's transness is treated as such a huge deal, such a plot twist where the other characters may feel betrayed because they view the trans person as if they'd been lying this entire time. And this again plays into the harmful belief around disclosure that if a trans person chooses to be stealth, that they're a liar. When oftentimes trans people choose to be stealth out of safety and survival, not to be mysterious or some shit like that. And it reduces a trans person to one part about themselves instead of a whole complex person. But i mean every character in the trailer seems to be so horribly one dimensional
yep, i'm afraid of that too. especially because this stereotype is not just annoying and overused but literally harms trans people irl as it reinforces that weird notion that trans people are dishonest and deceived everyone around them. which then cis people often use as an excuse for being violent and transphobic. (ik you've already kind of mentioned this but it's just really fucked up and i needed to mention it again)
@@KhayJayArt even other members of the community forget the rest of us. Like thjs show is made by cis gay people and "naturally" the BTQIA are missing. It's well known in the community that Cis L&G (generally there are of course exceptions) don't really care all that much about bisexual trans asexual & intersex people or struggles because they don't (want to) relate.
Honestly, I feel like this could have been so much better, they had so much potential. Thanks fermented carrots for giving us a look into this for those who are two lazy to do it ourselves
I'm just going to put this here because the words 'parody' and 'satire' are being thrown around a lot, and like in the early days of youtube, nobody seems to know that there's a difference! Parody-an imitation of the style of a particular writer, artist, or genre with deliberate exaggeration for comic effect. Satire-the use of humor, irony, exaggeration, or ridicule to expose and criticize people's stupidity or vices, particularly in the context of contemporary politics and other topical issues. Basically, parody is just making fun of something. Satire is making fun of something to make a point
Parody is done because you love the source material and want to point out the idiosyncrasies of it in a humorous manner. Satire is when you think the source material is idiotic and want to viciously mock it by dragging all the worst parts to the forefront and put them on blast by dialing them to 11.
I feel like it’s obviously satire and I honestly live for how stereotypical this is. Like using “twink” as a slur, we joke about that within community. I know cishets and kids might not get the irony, but I feel like this is more for the community. It’s an inner joke “kiki”.
@@bex1107 right? like i was not looking for complex queer and trans representation, in an adult cartoon comedy lmao. it did it’s job as a comedy and had me CACKLING. it was supposed to be over the top and stereotypical, but it was also self-aware that it’s satire. i thought it was cool :)
Every time I see this show I kind of wonder if they ever plan to have asexual rep- like part of me wants to see any asexual character, but I feel like they would be an alien or robot at which point I think I would rather be called an incel on twitter
@@kylethefan6062 Asexuality has a big spectrum so there's a lot of stuff people could do without making it feel forced. Also asexuality doesn't always go hand in hand with being aromatic so there's EVEN more that people could do with that.
I personally want asexual character not really in this show directly but in shows with a asexual character that’s on the actual spectrum bc the rep and how asexuality is perceived is very much black and white when it’s not I’m gray ace so I don’t fall under being completely asexual nor am I allosexual bc what sexual attraction I feel is very small and I don’t always feel it and that the main thing for me is I want ace rep to be the spectrum and not seen as asexuality being something where there isn’t anything in between
@@catpee7727 I would love that! I'm also kinda of a gray ace,, sex repulsed towards people tho. I'd love an ace with a partner, one that is gray, or an ace that isn't also aro.
this made me think of the movie the half of it on netflix, which doesnt advertise itself as an lgbtq movie but its about a wlw relationship. the point im trying to make is that treating gay relationships (like steven universe) as completely normal is honestly received so much better
Steven universe was fantastic rep to watch. Tons of lesbian representation, a non-binary character or two, a poly couple, a gay wedding, all treated as completely normal. They’re not some selling point or moral lesson, they just… are. Always loved the show for that.
When I was young and questioning I heard the word "twink" used only in a malicious way more than once. I thought it was a slur until very recently because of that. I knew what it meant and to whom it refers, and never would have used it to describe anybody because I thought it was mean. Now, I understand that it's not always mean and can just be a descriptor. However, it's important to consider the historical context of these words, especially when making a show that's going to be on a super popular site like Netflix.
I'm kind of getting the sense that Stat is trans, and I don't know why they couldn't have just said that instead of her having a "secret of her own". It's worth noting that 'trans woman computer scientist/hacker' is also sort of a stereotype, but her VA is Patti Harrison which is cool.
I bet you there's gonna be a line there saying "Yass QUEEN 👑 Skinny Legend Versace boots 👠 the House down 🏠 Slay Queen 💅 Hunty Momma 💁♀️ Anna oop- Daddy work 💵 Charlie xcx ♂️ Snatch my wig 💇♀️"
As an asexual person if she ends up being asexual I’ll be happy for more representation but with it being such a stereotype I’m not really going to be all that happy
I’m nearly a walking stereotype of an ace person and I want some non-stereotypical representation. Or any rep but non-stereotypical would be far better
Also having little to no understanding of affection and love, pretty much been reduced to an emotionless robot. Or an innocent and child like with no idea about sex. Or both!
i really wish this show could have included a lesbian that isn't the "butch" stereotype that most people first think of. i'm a femme lesbian, and it was really hard for me to accept that at first, because in media, all you see if the tough lesbian acts stereotypically masculine
I disagree. I very much do *not* see a lot of butch lesbians in media. Where are all these butch lesbians everyone keeps mentioning? Please I'd like to know
@@EmilyHernandez-jt4cs Searched it up. All I saw was WHITE femme lesbians being represented. Butch identity isn't a "stereotype" moreso underrepresented.
I don’t know about everyone else but Q-Force is actually pretty good for a parody I love it… the trailer didn’t do it much justice but the show itself is amazing! And now looking forward to season 2!
As a trans guy- I do not see a lot of trans representation. I really wish there was more- and I cant name any trans characters off the top of my head. I get that it's kinda hard to show but still- it's almost a little offensive when you see shows meant to represent the entire LGBTQ+ community and see absolutely no trans or non binary representation whatsoever
Oddly enough, the first thing that comes to mind for me is Otis from Barnyard. He's a cow, not a bull, and there's a scene where his uncle briefly confuses him with a sister who doesn't exist. It's still somewhat debatable whether it was intended to be read that way, or if they just made him a cow because cows have more iconic design elements, but I think the trans reading is pretty well supported.
It's actually really upsetting how cis people will say "LGBTQ" but use it to basically mean "The Gay Community" and completely forget that trans people exist. They straight up just remove us from the conversation.
Yeah, also do people forget that trans people can be straight? And they still get to be called queer (if they want) and be part of the lgbtqia+/queer community. It feels weird to be acting like there’s no way a straight person could be in Q force (or again, even just the queer community in general) when trans people literally exist
"Ah yes guys, let's make LGBTQIA+ In almost every sentence" Bro can we not make being gay a whole character's plotline. Legit I am pretty sure that a vast majority of the people in LGBTQIA+ don't make their sexuality, gender or any orientation about everything in their life.
@@Jenna-in4br some of the troublesome characters in terms of lbgt representation do unfortunately fall into the "My sexuality and gender is my character". Fortunately enough, even though they do bring up the queer aspect a few times, they actually don't make their sexuality and gender their entire character. It does have some stereotypes in it, but not to the point where it becomes overbearingly annoying (though might get a few eye rolls at times, jokes can be hit or miss). Best thing to do is to take it for what it is, a satire lbgt spyflick that had a very unfortunately bad trailer.
I’m an asexual Bi romantic.. I’d love representation that wasn’t “I feel nothing. My brain is mush. Nothing matters” Because being asexual doesn’t mean that I don’t feel romantic feelings?? It just means I don’t feel sexual attraction 🥲
@@PhoenixArtz000 Same. Ace les. Like i want to be hugged, cuddled. But why does kissing feel like SNAILS. What worse no one understand how disgusting it feel (thats around me.) If I say someone is good looking they'll go "I thought you where ace..." Doesn't mean ace's cant see beauty! Really wish we'd get some repensatation.
@@frelkagegesh5783 I'm a Bi Ace and same!!! kissing itself is okay, quick pecks and whatever, but making out is such an uncomfortable thing I cant handle it for too long
@@frelkagegesh5783 Allo gay here, I'm pretty sure everyone thinks kissing (and outright sex) is disgusting, they just don't care... Like if you were starving, you'd eat something even if it tasted kinda bad, yknow? Even if you felt a little sick thinking you're eating whatever ingredient you find gross, you'd feel worse just starving. So I think people just kinda try not to think too much about it.
@Kael asexual and lesbian i don't get sexually attracted to anyone but I'm romantically attracted to women 👍 maybe some nonbinaries and genderfluids here and there but mostly women :) idk if you were confused or were making a joke about how i said "asexual lesbian" lmaoo
I'm watching the show and IDK, it is not half as bad as I expected? Yes, the show plays with steriotypes from the community, the characters can be somewhat shallow and everything is so exaggerated, but there is also a genuine message about standing up for yourself and not settling for less, conversion therapy, homophobia in the workplace, misogyny etc. I think we need to keep in mind the show was meant to be comical and satirical, of course it is not gonna be the promised piece of media that will perfectly represent all LGBTQ people that we keep waiting for. I think that at some point we deserve to be able to laugh at ourselves a bit and roll with the stereotypes while being mindful and critical about them, and I think the show encourages just that through the sheer absurdity of the jokes and characters.
Oh I've just been assuming that Stat's "terrible, dark secret" is that she's mtf. Cause we don't have a confirmed trans person on the team. And that seems like something people would write as something that has to be a secret.
I just wanna clarify, i came out to my Titi a while ago and when people create characters with one trait or people in general who asserts their sexuality and just make it a characteristic gives other the wrong impression. Everytime someone does this, my family memeber will always exchange a weird look to me and have the mentality of it being ‘a phase’
Yeah i really liked it too. Like it had its cringy moments but u find that true for all shows that try to have humor. And I didn't really laugh much but that's because I don't have a good sense of humor and hardly ever laugh at comedy. But i actually really enjoyed the characters and storyline
Having watched the show coincidentally last night without any notion of the trailer and its controversy, gotta say it was pretty entertaining as a whole and I believe people are only hating on because it's trendy to do so and legitimately haven't watched and probably won't, just like what happened to Insatiable. However, unlike Insatiable, I think this show has a charm to it.
5:43 this might’ve been just my interpretation but i thought that joke was addressing like how irl a lot of people will reject someone once they find out they are gay and purposely replace them with a straight person but then act like they aren’t being homophobic and that it was completely logical. i didn’t even think about how it might be a parody on how lgbtq+ community wishes for representation where a certain character happens to be gay 8:00 i feel like i keep assuming their jokes are parodies of the people who are homophobic/adding token queer people instead of parodies of the lgbtq+ community itself,, but also yeah,, *why* do we need a token straight character when they have 201928832993 other shows yk
yeah I agree, also why does the token straight need to be in the Q-Force team? They're not LGBTQ+ (to knowledge without release of the full show) so why have them in a team that is named literally on the fact that all the members are LGBTQ+ in some way? They could just be a side character outside of the group instead if at all
@@maxcollateral exactlyyy the fact theres a straight character there makes it more confusing? maybe their plot point involves him coming out but thats a reachh
@@milktea-teabubble and even then if it happens and they do end up being LGBTQ+ they can be brought into the team after they realise that, otherwise it just looks like a cishet person is in a LGBTQ+ group
I feel like the main problem is that the entire show is based around the fact everyone is LGBTQ Like idk I feel like if they made it just a casual show with LGBTQ in it it would feel like better representation? I don’t know if that makes sense the way I put it 😅 I’m still learning about LGBTQ so maybe I just don’t fully understand yet? Sorry if this is offensive or just stupid 😅
No, you're right. I may only be asexual, so I don't fully understand what the rest of the community feels to a core, but I do know if a character ONLY existed BECAUSE he's asexual, it would make me mad. I enjoy things. I dislike things. I can be an ass, I can be kind; a good representation would be someone being casually asexual - like me! Therefore, I believe many people think the same way. You weren't offensive nor stupid, no worries!
It doesn't matter if they're all lgbt, what matters is that its apparently the only aspect of their existence. Their characters exist purely as just the concept "queer" they arent real characters, and dont feel like real people at all. Unlike how in steven universe, even though the vast majority of characters are queer, they actually have personalities and uniqueness and flaws and character development, it isnt just "haha gay guy does gay thing" the characters in steven universe make you feel like you know them, they are accurate representation and are wonderfully received because of their three dimensionality.
This is so true. The problem was they made it so that they have Gay characters as if gay was their personality and not just characters who happen to be open abt their sexuality. wouldve been better if they just let them be a person and just have their sexuality not be a major part of the plot.
28:31 (without having finished the video yet) I’ve actually heard that Netflix will purposefully give really bad trailers to shows they want to flop and end after one season. So that’s possibly another reason why it was so bad, atleast as of right now without having seen the show and being told by creators that it’s not accurate.
@@galacticandromeda yea it even has a staight comic relife charater as a way to reverse that trope and eatch charater shows that they are much more then the tropes they show they look like these tropes but they are much much more
when I want lgbtq representation I don’t want this. I don’t want lgbtq to be separated from other stuff, I just want lgbtq characters to be in all shows and not make it the whole show premises if that makes sense. That’s why I love shcitts creek, one of th email characters is pan, and then ends up getting married to a gay man. And it’s like a homophobic free show because everybody just treats it normal which I love. I hope yall understand what I mean
My TH-cam recommendations are dropping some real gems lately. Didn't know about this show before but I'll be excited to hear it from yourself xx Lovely voice btw *Subscribed*
I just finished watching it. I loved it. I’m an older gay and it actually tackles real issues. It’s made FOR the community. It’s gay. It’s got the old jokes, the old references. You kids may not get it, but my husband and I loved it.
I think my biggest issue, if it is a parody, then it is just gonna be full of stereotypes. The LGBTQ+ community hasn't had much media with dignified representation. If we were treated with more respect in society, I might feel different about this show. I'm worried that the homophobes are just gonna use this as more fuel for hate. With that being said, I'm open-minded. I'll still give it a shot. I'm not hopeful though. Lmao.
@@DevinDoingstuff I actually did end up watching it. And it was better than I expected. I had a few gripes with it, but they could fix them for the second season, if it's renewed.
@@AyameSohma1993 yeah it's actually better than what the trailer let's on, not groundbreaking but actually watchable with some good jokes here and there.
I personally love dark humor, but I think a lot of people (especially those who get super offended, but including the ones who engage in it) don't understand that there's a time and place for those jokes. It matters who the audience is and you have to read the room. You can make tons of messed up jokes with family or partners that makes you guys die laughing, like I do, but that doesn't mean you go to school, work, a public/social setting, or even certain online communities and make jokes that are insensitive or harmful. I hope that makes sense. You predicted that people who like dark humor go too far but I wouldn't say I do. I think people should be able to laugh at themselves and others when it's appropriate; not everyone feels that way and that is FINE, I don't go out of my way to say things that make people of other communities uncomfortable, but with my inner circle, I love me some mean jokes
YESS!! I personally don't like dark humour because of a "friend" targeting me with racist jokes incessantly. But i respect you so much for respecting people's boundaries!! Dark humour is great, but not at all times!
I have a friend who's sense in humor is racist, homophobic, and sexist. I hate it and tell him to pls not tell me those jokes bc I dont think they're funny. I like dark humor but not when it's used to make fun of a group of people for existing. If you're gonna use a lot of humor like that maybe target it towards communities that yiu are in.
@@idiomatic444 It is normally communities that I'm in, but it is NEVER in front of those it may offend. No one needs to hear jokes about Mexicans (which I am) while walking down the street. It's only with people who I know will laugh at it. As someone who grew up in a family where some people say DISGUSTING things that are really upsetting, I've learned firsthand what simply isn't funny or necessary to say. Especially as a gay person and other minorities, I understand. My sense of dark humor is different than "*says slurs and insults minorities*"
Exactly. The whole point of dark humor is that it's supposed to bring some sort of happiness to a shitty situation. By, y'know, making them laugh. When told to the wrong person or reduced to "heh it's because he's black" you will easily do the opposite, making the people who went through those things feel more isolated.
I saw the show, and I give it like a 7/10. I enjoyed the relationship between people of different sizes.. Mary's first romantic relationship is with a plus sized man and I like that. It gave me some confidence being the loveable teddy bear I am. 🤗
we have to get through this cringy phase of every character saying QUEEEN SLAYYY until they can understand what actually happens and untill queer people are not just these stereotypical YAAS character
Welcome back to a show that says “If you’re part of the LGBTQIA+, you will be expected to be treated like shit in a job/professional setting. And we’re not going to do anything to change that” like... please. As a trans kid, I’ve been taught that I shouldn’t look flamboyant at all if I want a job. I can’t have dyed hair or want piercings or just being able to flat out say that I have they/them pronouns. I get that some stores are starting to accept change and to include pronouns on name tags and they don’t care about your hair or piercings, but that’s not what’s expected. That’s not the average, it’s the best case scenario. We need to normalize people getting the jobs they need without having to worry about how they look or present themself, and even if it’s “not realistic”, it’s a fictional show, and it could do something to pave a path to a better future somehow. It’s better than being lazy and making a “Oh they need to PROVE that they’re strong and capable to have acceptance” storyline.
Not to mention, I sure love seeing a show focused around minorities, then scrolling down and seeing it's mostly produced by straight white men. Really pushing that representation guys.
To be fair to the show, after watching it, the show subverted expectations. They say that you shouldn’t just lie low and hide yourself, you should be unabashedly yourself, and other people just have to accept that. They’d didn’t change, the intolerant people either changed, or shut up.
"Today I'm gonna make a show about horses!" "Oh, cool. Do you know anything about horses?" "Idk they're like big and run fast or something right lol" *the selfsame logic that went into making this offensive disaster
i love how you say things in a way i want to as well but can't. idk, i love listening to you cuz i feel understood in my way of thinking etc. i'm often struggling to explain/communicate the stuff in my head (even in my native language, which is german.) and it's frustrating cuz i love sharing opinions and telling people random shit. anywaysss, i love your opinions and this video!
I'm getting so stressed rn because I just imagine people trying to understand the community and thinking that everything is like this.. Like if my family or friends tried to understand me through this it would be hopeless and even though it'll probably be genuine I think they'll just get the wrong impression and that's how they'll see us and it's literally stressing me out 😫
It was actually good tho... I hate the fact that ppl is saying like "omg so much steryotipes", but lets be honest there's actual gay people who looks/acts/talks like that, don't they deserve to be somehow in screen too? I mean, not all gay/les/trans/nb are super straight/cis passing, and it's damn ok to give them representation. The characters are fine, they are not just gay, they have TALENTS, feelings, and a back story that we can see a little, but the story is well developed...
THIS. The show is actually pretty good and people should give it a shot (which they probably won't due to the bad rep) and not only hate it because it's a popular thing to do.
I feel like the producers were not expecting backlash because it was "made by fellow queer people" and for the community, but like you said, the intentions of the show are unclear. If it's trying to be something revolutionary in queer rep then hm..uh WHAT. It makes more sense as like an lgbtq+ adult comedy show, but even then if it was there should be a more diverse cast since the community is huge and it seems like they were like okay cool, look we have one gay man and one lesbian woman :)
And an ace bi with preference for women, another gay guy. It's also on a limited time of 10 episodes, which can only feature so many characters. Also it's heavy satire, just seen it myself.
@@DevinDoingstuff Also just gave it a watch myself, lol definitely a comedy show. Some jokes just didn’t land for me but that’s okay, it even felt cringe sometimes. Maybe it will get more content, I remember seeing it in the top 10
At first I thought that you were only gonna make fun of it but as soon as you showed the wiki, that storyboarder opinion on the trailer and talked about stereotypes I knew that this was quality content Thank you for spreading so much info you got a new subscriber! 😊
I would just like to say this show was actually funny the cast was diverse the plot was actually good character development was made they honestly just really suck at marketing highly recommended
@@zanerobbins3794 it's actually alright, not 10/10 show but at least around 7/10. The characters are more than what they let on in the trailer and the jokes lands some pretty funny lines at times. Not every joke hits, but those that do hit is enough to get a good chuckle.
Things that make the gay go away, or things that make my gay go away. Things that are more effective than conversion therapy. For the series title. Just throwing out ideas lol
Stat seems like she could end up being bisexual, or maybe trans or non binary, but maybe it's a plot twist or spoiler for something in one of the later episodes, and that's what they mean
My mom saw this trailer and was like “You should watch it!” Then when I told her it was stereotypical she rolled her eyes like “You guys are so sensitive.” *EXCUSE ME DID YOU FORGET WHAT BEING AN ALLY IS 🤨?*
ah yes, watch the show, gremlin, watch it, and do not critique it. watch it, and consume it without hesitation, it is who you are now.
That's like telling a black person to watch Soul Plane.
@Mike Muñoz that’s exactly what I said to her
OMG DO WE HAVE THE SAME MOMS????
Not a comrad move
I know the artists keep saying on Twitter to not judge the show before you watch it but goddamn, these trailers man 😭😩
I know to not judge a book by its cover but man...this is on thin ice. Looks like a good-natured facebook mom took a meme too literally and made a show about it to support her lgbt+ kid. It's trying to do something and not intentionally mocking anyone but if you know you know. I mean, I can say I've seen worse (trailers) but that's not exactly a compliment.
Who knows, it may still come out decent or good even
How can I not judge the show 😭LOOK AT IT. the plot is so cringe 💀
They need to release better trailers, then!!
Firstly, that's that entire point of a trailer; for you to make a judgement about if the piece of media, in question, is worth consuming or not. But secondly, how are you gonna release *these* trailers, but throw a hissy fit when we point out how ridiculous they make the show look?!
I'm tired!! I can count on one hand how many times a show/movie fronted by trailers this awful turned out to be good.
Are the trailer editors in a hate crime conspiracy against them then? Thoughts and prayers.
Don’t trust Twitter. I’m an artist. *RUN.*
“I’m not a spy, obviously.”
Sounds like something a *spy* would say.
hmmmmm
Oh, Ella SPiveY, you should know what you’re talking about!
Also, why does SPiveY autocorrect to Soviet? *ominous music playing*
He could be anyone of us
Caught him red-handed
ThErEs OnE tHiNg YoU cAn ExPeCt FrOm Me AnD ThAtS ThE uNeXpEctEeDd
"...Was that harsh?
I'll be harsher next time"
Thank you frederic for giving me a sassy sentence to use lol
I’m a huge fan of edgy humor and dark comedy myself, but I’m sick of seeing SO many adult shows being like “the joke is that it’s offensive”. It just feels like lazy writing. I’m a firm believer that basically anything can be joked about, but ultimately the way in which a joke is written can make or break it.
One movie that I feel does dark humor very well is Jojo Rabbit. While it does touch on extremely dark topics due to the nature of being set in 1940s Germany, the humor is an integral part of the storytelling and has depth to it. It serves to show how ridiculous the N@zi ideology really was, and accurately portrays how a child might perceive being indoctrinated into those beliefs.
While it’s very different in nature, Brandon Rogers’ way of writing edgy comedy (both in his original works and Helluva Boss) is also an example of good writing. While he may write jokes based around gay characters, it tends to go beyond “he’s gay- that’s the joke” and instead explores the comedy surrounding the relationship dynamics themselves, never really confusing orientation for personality. While his comedy style is very in-your-face offensive, there’s a lot of nuance within the writing itself to make it genuinely funny.
Hopefully I’m wrong about Q-Force, but it seems like most of the comedy comes from “here’s a stereotype: isn’t that wacky?” rather than exploring the comedy that could come from breaking stereotypes or group dynamics. There’s no subversion of expectation beyond “gay people spy show”, which makes it fall flat almost immediately.
The best dark humor show I have seen was Boondocks
Thank you for wording literally everything I can’t be arsed too type
Honestly, they do a better job than what the trailer let on, just be fully aware that this is a satire show. Bringing in some less good sides and some good sides of the community.
I agree. I'm sick of seeing Family Guy clones with bland animation, 2-Dimensional characters, lazy humor, and the same formula every time! Can we go back to having experimental insanity like 12 Oz. Mouse and clever, witty comedy, like The Simpsons?
Well said 👏👏👏
The worst part is, there is a way to do good gay jokes. The "Get a girlfriend son!" "Or a boyfriend, he's bi!" "Damn, no one want you" meme is PEAK bi humor it's so fucking funny!!! "I like your name" "Thanks, I chose it myself!" GOOD TRANS JOKE!! there is a way to do good lgbt humor people are just lazy
I can find hundreds of good gay jokes on Tumblr that are better than the whole show.
Exactly.
The damn no want want you fr joke has to be biggest comforting bi joke to me. GOD HUMOR PEAKED W THIS ONE
Honestly, they get in some better ones than what is seen in the trailers.
I love the "I like your name; Thanks I chose it myself" joke so much. I over use it and I'm not even ashamed lol
They said we’d get representation and than the dialogue be like “slay queen darling girlie pop boss girl!!” ☠️☠️
“It’s the wig snapping for me sis”
@@fartsmella9267 yeah even drag queens make fun of the way straight girls think gay slang is used. 💀
BOOTS
@@fartsmella9267 istfg I HATE how about every gay man in the media as representation is some over the top drag queen, like there are hella different types of people with passions and their sexuality literally changes nothing.
@@wooble- "not the snap flewing wig sis chat flop"
if stat (is that her name? the hacker person) is asexual im going to have very mixed feelings about it. On the one hand it's nice to have some representation on asexuality but if it furthers the stereotype of asexual=robot that's unacceptable.
i don`t remember if someone referred to them in the third in the teaser or the trailer, but based on their name, they could be non-binary. Though, that would be kind of a stereotype too...
I'm also ace and it would be nice to see some representation
I suspected Stat would be non binary, but i didn't consider them being ace.
Man, I'm just tired of shitty ace rep. Literally been the reason it took me almost 10 years to realize that im ace.
@@junew8133 honestly! I think I can only name two cannon asexual characters that were good representation, and one was a very minor side character... if they're nonbinary hopefully its done in a good way, if they're ace I have very little hope for it being good and accurate representation
@@possumorb4008 same
Honestly nowadays whenever something is explicitly advertised as ""for LGBTQ+ people"" my fight or flight response immediately activates
I think I've learned the hard way that the genuinely good ones usually never advertise themselves as ""for gays"" because they treat it like a completely natural thing and it's very nice
True just like how Steven universe, Owl House, adventure time and more never ONCE advertised like "HEY LGBTQ COMMUNITY COME HERE THIS SHOW HAS LGBTQ CHARACTERS SO U GUYS MUST LIKE IT". Now whenever I see a show doing that I'll just know I'll be disappointed so I'll just keep my expectations low
@@hcneymacaroon9457 good examples
EXACTLY!!!! like in my very humble opinion as a bisexual person, I think that casually putting lgbtq+ characters in a show like its not a big deal its better because that way we can normalize it and dont treat lgbtq+ people like this exotic addition to a show.
@@hcneymacaroon9457 do you also watch owl house
@@PaolaCarlos exactly
She Ra has actually a pretty good lgbtq+ representation in the show and it reminded me how good it was especially compared to q force
No, we like she ra cause it gives us nostalgia vibes..
@@tenritniehtnoyugmodnar5661 well ive never watched the old she ra,and i still loved the reboot,nostalgia got nothing on me😒🙄
@@Moo-if1mz sucks to be you then
She Ra
@@tenritniehtnoyugmodnar5661 bro whats ur problem w/ the reboot?i know it got flaws,but it is quite entertainning and the art style>>>>>than the original
Why are children’s cartoons consistently better at this?
Come on, “adult cartoons” get it together!
I think sadly alot of adult media use the "dark humor" as a way to be bigoted or push bigoted politics (ie Rick and Morty defneding the r slur despite none of the writers being neurodivergent or mentally disabled, or Seth Mcfarlane's body of work being a bunch of -isms, and the vast majority of adult shows punching down, Pen & Teller mocking disabled people's rights). And many adults unfortunately arent educated on topics like sexism, ableism, homophobia, etc. (or at least not to an extent that they can truely grasp all the microagressions and abuse minorities suffer). There's no maturity, it feels like stuff I woulda watched when I was in middle school. Only aadultthing about it is saying cusses.
But at its core children's media's goal is to educate, it avoids the kinda dark humor that punches down (The Owl house and queer rep/having an episode dedicated to not trying to "fix" people's disabilities, Infinity train and divorce, etc) in at least modern kids cartoons (older series have the same issues as new adult media.)
Adult shows are not the same thing as mature shows, that being said, what we call adult shows are more like teenage humour than adult.
Kill me now, no wonder the entertainment industry is failing
Dw we got bojack horseman
@@viphersniper bojack horseman isn’t that good
It’s definitely a valid concern over media showing black women as hyper masculine, but it doesn’t mean we shouldn’t have any black lesbian or stud representation at all. Like yeah a lot of straight ppl think lesbians are all masculine, but there’s actually very little butch/stud representation period in media, especially one that’s not a joke. It’d be nice having a character that’s unapologetically a stud while also not being 24/7 aggressive angry black woman: butches/studs can be sensitive and sweet! So I’m overall torn on Deb right now, and am curious to see how the show will handle her
You literally said what I wanted to lol
Yeah idk why people act like there's so much masc lesbian rep when the overwhelming majority of queer women characters are feminine or slightly tomboyish
Agreed. I'm tbh really torn with forming my opinion. Theres people hating the show because they have a more masculine black lesbian in it, but then some people are saying that that's great.
Sooo, is it a harmful stereotype or an underrepresented part of the community??
@@radiationshepherd yes! I see so many people complaining about not having enough femme x femme relationships when I would argue the vaaast mayority of sapphic couples are like that! If anything, masc x masc is reaaaally weird to see in media, like I can't think of an example, really; and masc x femme is in between: while I have seen some, there are deffinitely less than femme x femme. So sometimes I feel like I live in another universe when people say that lol
@@lukaurbankitek6019 I think it depends, if the character is well fleshed and developed, I believe they can be great representation for masc sapphics, but if they just end up being a steryotipe...then y i k e s. It doesn't seem like the best show...to say te least... but I really hope they don't do the second
I feel like someone is going to use this show as an excuse to call me a slur and then say “what? That’s offensive? But they said it in Q-Force”
*T H I S*
Or just any direct insult that was said in the show as an attempt to be funny and then say "it's a reference to Q force, it's a joke"
@@LittleSprout73 You must be psychic, seeing the FUTURE. 😭😭
Don't worry no sane persons gonna watch that show
@@jotaroswetfart6095 Not a lotta sane people in the world though;
I’m just sick of marginalized people being the butt of jokes, whether or not marginalized people are writing them.
YES, THIS IS PERFECT!!!
this
It's okay to create content that makes jokes of marginalized people. The only issue with THIS content is that it's only 0,1% funny and otherwise dumb cringe. Even then it's okay for it to exist. We can simply choose to not watch it.
i agree, its like a person of one race making a racist joke of their own race and people saying its fine because they belong to said community
1000th like purr!
This made me appreciate shows like The Owl House and She-ra and The Princesses of Power soooo much more. Those are two examples of shows that have an amazing representation of LGBTQ people and racial diversity within the community :) plus they’re both written, produced, and animated by people within the community.
And i think steven universe counts too???
@@msjademarvel1542 yes! I haven’t personally watched the whole show - just a few episodes from different seasons so I didnt think of it!
@@sylvm1728 okay :)
Yesss omg so good shows. 💖💖
Honestly, this show is not as bad as some people make it out to be. Sure there is *some* stereotype jokes, but the characters are more than stereotypes and results in decent representation. Not the best show ever, but not the worst.
"Hello, my name is Guy Gayman. And I'm a gay man. My job? Gaying."
Its just... lazy writing, any real world ramifications aside.
Seen the actual show?
Did you watch the show?
Did you watch the show?
I would like to discuss the black lesbian, as a well black lesbian, and to put it simply I agree with you and I’m glad you brought it up. It’s exhausting as a black person especially for black lesbians to see stuff like this because we are more than beefy, buzz cut, strong, masculine ppl, I’ve seen this stereotype every fucking where and it’s annoying as hell. Like I cut my hair recently and I do have a buzz cut, but it is annoying for someone to just come up to me, look at my hair cut and be like “omg you got a buzz cut are you like a lesbian?” Like yeah I am a lesbian but I didn’t cut my hair to be perceived as a lesbian. I didn’t cut my hair to scream “LOOK GUYS IM A LESBIAN” I did it for myself because I thought I would look and feel nice. To end this if you’re gonna write a black character or in particular a black lesbian asks black lesbians lmao because these stereotypes hurt us and our community more than you think.
I had the exact same experience. I shaved my natural hair down and went to school back when i was in high school and suddenly everyone thought i was a lesbian. I also hate the fact that many black female characters always have to be portrayed as “strong, independent, aggressive” woman. Its almost as if they think just because you’re a black woman that you cant be feminine or vulnerable. It’s really annoying. Even in the black community, a lot of the men call the women masculine or are derogatory towards them. Its really frustrating to see
I didn't know abt that stereotype until I shaved my head and I'm not even a wlw. Its really annoying tbh.
Do you feel it's the stereotypical misogynoir depiction of black women as more masculine in general, combined with the stereotypical depiction of butch lesbian women as hypermasculine, that's at play here?
Edit: I wanted to make sure I understood wholly what you were expressing.
I am sorry these very hurtful stereotypes still exist.
@@Kormeister yes definitely I do
@@Kormeister I think it’s just easy for people to put the butch stereotype onto us because due to society’s racism saying we are seen as more masculine.
This trailer just gave me back my gag reflex
My gay reflex
The best comment *periodT*
@@iphris_in_words purrr
Oh! 😂
I'm so sorry, happened to me too I'm already to get rid of it ahah
I’m leaning more on nonbinary than asexual for Stat. Stat looks androgynous, and “100% androgynous enby” is a popular stereotype.
they could be a two-for-one stereotype and be both nonbinary AND aro/ace 🙃
No offense but can you tell me what’s wrong with that. Some androgynous enbies exist in real life. ( sorry if it sounds like I’m being insensitive I’m genuinely asking)
@@honeytoast9204 androgynous and feminine or masculine non-binary people exist irl, but usually when there is non-binary representation on shows it’s only androgynous people so yeah people watching the show want more diverse representation
@@imaneclair4836 oh okay I get thanks for informing me
@@honeytoast9204 np I’m glad to help :)
This, my children who are new to the lgbtq+ community, is why we watch The Owl House and She-Ra. Praise Hordak
All hail the bad girl coven
Honestly, not the worst show, just a shit trailet
Cool! Glad your kids have great LGBTQ+ inclusive children's shows! This is not a children's show.
@It's Because but i'm 19 and my name is jared and i have a brand to stick with :\
but in all seriousness - my point stands. I really don't see the relevance of saying 'this is why i have my kids watch kids shows'. qforce isn't made to be representative of young queer people like owl house, shera or stephen universe. it's an adult comedy show. For adults. Who have already grown up. Children *shouldn't* be watching this.
@@Redonx for an adult comedy, it sure is missing out on the comedy part
I read Q as G and was like “wasn’t Q force with those spy guinea pigs with a mole as the villain..?” Presenting my sleepless 6am dumbass self 🤡💁♀️👏😭
Wow, first time ive seen someone mention that movie, like, ever. Hello fellow G-force recognizer.
@@lumisherbert5682 lmao its an iconic late 2000’s movie if people never watchted it feel bad for them
Oh crap same di thought that until you pointed out g & q are different letterssss-
As someone who is black and a "femme", it is very aggravating that there isn't any representation for us. Not only that but it's very aggravating to see that stereotype being pushed.
Also I feel like the "secret" might be that the hacker is trans or something idk
They cant represent ALL the diversity. I think this could actually be good if they here less on the face with the names and more action funny like Totally Spies
@@ianesgrecia8568 of course they can't but the hypermasculine black woman is still a racial stereotype that continues to prevail in media
of course masculine black women exist, but its still disheartening to see
@@ianesgrecia8568 Literally this whole show is full of stereotypes. It’s not even real representation so it doesn’t even matter if there’s “diversity”.
Same-
What about garnet? They are pretty femme
Have a feeling my mom will use this to “show her support” for me like with every other shitty offensive show that has queer people in it. Obviously it’s not her fault she doesn’t really know better, but I am so sick of things like this being the only rep we have because people like my mom will watch it to understand me and she’ll get it wrong
You have such a sweet mother tho :)
I suggest your mother a movie called "The Half of it" it's good and emotional
@@poffydaisy5134 I do, I very much appreciate that she's trying!!
@@zuzu9190 thanks! I'll see if I can find it anywhere (don't have American streaming services)
Have her watch Transformers Prime instead and them pull up Arcee's penis.
I guarantee she will view it differently and maybe give a damn. (Every male and female has both genitalia, confirmed back in the creating in 1980 by the author.)
My take as a black sapphic. This is going to be a rant. Although I wish we had more varied representation than the hyper-sexualised ultra femme fetale or the ultra masc aggressive stereotype, I wish we treated black female or female aligned mascs with more respect in this discourse. Because we don’t insult the ultra femme stereotype as we do the masc one. Because masculinity has been so forced on us (and not just masculinity - an animalistic form of masculinity that is associated with blackness) we can often try so hard to get away from it whilst stepping on black female mascs unintentionally. I wish we had a black female masc that wasn’t aggressive or extreme but that’s just the way she lives her life without being the target of bullying or being viewed as unattractive by everyone. I just think we as black sapphics deserve better and we deserve to embrace whatever qualities we want to without being fearful of our existence being a nuisance and pulling back the community. Okay my thumbs are tired. Love this channel btw.
The show cant represent ALL the diversity. I'm already happy that there is A CHANCE to some Assexual representation on Stats.
For me they could be less on your face with the names and more action funny like Totally Spies
@@ianesgrecia8568 well if they can’t represent everyone they should represent the identities in the show WELL and not further stereotypes
@@imaneclair4836Very much agreed. In part. Stereotypes have their place and are constantly used on tv as the means to something familiar to the audience. The LGBT community, while important, is NOT the bigger part of the world and viewers.
Let's look at Totally Spies as exemple. You have 3 stereotypes:
Clover is the girly girl who lose her mind on boys all the time
Alex is the sport/tomboy girl with short hair and extrovert atitude
Sam is the shyer smart girl with A+ academics.
They are all stereotypes, but they are also more them that. They can kick ass, go to the mall to shop and have fun with a great friendship.
The Q-force show actually have this on their favor. The blond just-out-of-the-closed guy has the actual incentive to push foward, The Lesbian is clearly the voice of reason and realistic of the group, the non-binary/trans/ace/still confused about Stats is the one with sarcastic and pessimist of the group and the twink is the comic relief all shows need to aliviate on too tense moments.
They have 2 big problems in my mind: The first is Twink dont having a real name. That put him in a bad position to those on the audience to futher the stereotype just like you said. If he had a real name it would fall on his actual personality and fun traits instead.
The second is the advertisement. If they had focused less on diverse propaganda and more on action fun they'd actually get the audience. Just look how much better the people found the second trailer.
There is a video someone made 'fixing' the trailer and is basically just the actions part cut on. Watching that video made me WANT to watch the show because it has everything we need: Color, action, fun and excessive explosions.
People just shut down on something that was to advertise themselves on ''diversity' instead of the actual premiss of the show.
@@ianesgrecia8568 stereotypes in tv are okay when they’re not problematic racial stereotypes, problematic gay stereotypes, etc. Having a character being a tomboy is different from having a hyperaggresive lesbian.
@@Eosinophyllis From the trailer she seems more a realistic them agressive. As I said, probably the voice of reason of the group. Or the most level headed.
just binged the series, it's actually pretty heartfelt and funny in my opinion.
I actually like this show and it’s references ♥️ I think it’s cute, and funny and has its moments where you see personal aspects of each character. Sure it might have some moments but I think its story line is good.
If representation wasn’t so scarce, maybe I’d feel differently. But as it is, jokes being made at the expense of the queer community feel especially shitty when there is so precious little good representation out there to act as a counterweight
THIS!
^^^^
It’s just a cartoon though. And if you actually watch it each character has more depth and backstory than just the stereotype they portray
Day 26 of remembering that Frederic always has murder knives at his disposal.
Day 1 of me finding this out 😨
@@Zweshi_x I am in the same boat.
Yea... and it’s only him
hehe
*hides knife behind back*
@@_.SpaghettiMuffins._ hmmm
no funny business here ig
@@harlensdestruction7115 do you want a knife
It blows my mind... how our OWN community are straight up the harshest critics of media made by us for us. The show was good, it made me chuckle. It's not the Mona Lisa but you can tell it was made with effort and love.
Ditto. It's good, bit messy but generally good with lovable characters and satire. If you can't laugh at yourself how in the hell...etc.
I'm pretty sure a lot if the hate that the show gets is mostly just bandwagon hate from people who didn't actually watch the show and are just going off the awfull trailers that Netflix put out its a shame cause it is a good show and I would much rather a second season of this than half of the animated shows Netflix keeps putting out and renewing
harsh criticism is hard for people to swallow. I get it. But oftentimes it comes from a genuine place of communities wanting people to do better. They have a right to hold creators to a standard when the stories deal with their communities because we know what happens when communities are misrepresented. Its the same with any other community (me talking from the lens of a POC myself). We are harsh critics because we care and we are also tired of having to voice our concerns nicely because people will do whatever they want anyway. With that said, god bless freedom of speech. These creators can do whatever they want, we can criticise all we want, and we can enjoy whatever content we want.
I will also say there is a lack of respect for creators so I agree with your statement especially the last piece. People dont realize how hard it is to write entire scripts or storyboard entire animated shows. Critics often dont care about that. But i think it would be nicer if just people in general remember that these creators behind the Netflix shows work very hard. Even if we do not like it we should always acknowledge the sweat blood and tears they pour into their creations. And thats me speaking as a creator myself.
Yeah I haven’t watched the show or even heard of it before watching this video. The only thing I can say is that I wish there was a trans, bi, pan, (or another identity that doesn’t always get representation in media) person in it
Just finished the season and I was pleasantly amazed. Really got into it later. Storyline and characters well developed.
this show is enough to send me scrambling right back into the closet
my closet will be made of steel if the show is this bad
seal it with flex tape too
Back it and weld it close
@@Lee-ic8tq and then we put tin foil on it to stop any radio waves
@@tourmelion9221 yes!!!😭
Frederic your shirt looks SO CUTE on you!!!
27:07 What I'm afraid about the character with "the secret" is that she might be trans or gnc, which would be Not Good™ !!! It'd be another "The Crying Game" in that a trans person's transness is treated as such a huge deal, such a plot twist where the other characters may feel betrayed because they view the trans person as if they'd been lying this entire time. And this again plays into the harmful belief around disclosure that if a trans person chooses to be stealth, that they're a liar. When oftentimes trans people choose to be stealth out of safety and survival, not to be mysterious or some shit like that. And it reduces a trans person to one part about themselves instead of a whole complex person. But i mean every character in the trailer seems to be so horribly one dimensional
yep, i'm afraid of that too. especially because this stereotype is not just annoying and overused but literally harms trans people irl as it reinforces that weird notion that trans people are dishonest and deceived everyone around them. which then cis people often use as an excuse for being violent and transphobic.
(ik you've already kind of mentioned this but it's just really fucked up and i needed to mention it again)
THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS
“We wanna show the whole lgbt community in q-force!”
[show seems to be missing half of the letters in lgbt]
cishets only remember the L and the G. the B, T, Q and + aren’t real.
@@jyutoiruma this show is made by a member of the lgbt+ community
@@KhayJayArt i am aware, i was talking in general
@@jyutoiruma sums it up.
@@KhayJayArt even other members of the community forget the rest of us. Like thjs show is made by cis gay people and "naturally" the BTQIA are missing. It's well known in the community that Cis L&G (generally there are of course exceptions) don't really care all that much about bisexual trans asexual & intersex people or struggles because they don't (want to) relate.
This show is literally everything-its so god damn funny-
Yas queen slay boots the house down hunty charli xcx *starts voguing*
@@arianabntgrande lmao
Honestly, I feel like this could have been so much better, they had so much potential. Thanks fermented carrots for giving us a look into this for those who are two lazy to do it ourselves
Can confirm that this is somehow more effective than conversion therapy /j
I'm just going to put this here because the words 'parody' and 'satire' are being thrown around a lot, and like in the early days of youtube, nobody seems to know that there's a difference!
Parody-an imitation of the style of a particular writer, artist, or genre with deliberate exaggeration for comic effect.
Satire-the use of humor, irony, exaggeration, or ridicule to expose and criticize people's stupidity or vices, particularly in the context of contemporary politics and other topical issues.
Basically, parody is just making fun of something. Satire is making fun of something to make a point
Parody is done because you love the source material and want to point out the idiosyncrasies of it in a humorous manner.
Satire is when you think the source material is idiotic and want to viciously mock it by dragging all the worst parts to the forefront and put them on blast by dialing them to 11.
@@t.estable3856 also valid
Im gunna leave this here
I feel like it’s obviously satire and I honestly live for how stereotypical this is. Like using “twink” as a slur, we joke about that within community. I know cishets and kids might not get the irony, but I feel like this is more for the community. It’s an inner joke “kiki”.
That’s exactly what I thought! I thought it was a kinda obvious thhat that’s what they were going for
THANK 👏 YOU 👏
@@bex1107 right? like i was not looking for complex queer and trans representation, in an adult cartoon comedy lmao. it did it’s job as a comedy and had me CACKLING. it was supposed to be over the top and stereotypical, but it was also self-aware that it’s satire. i thought it was cool :)
Every time I see this show I kind of wonder if they ever plan to have asexual rep- like part of me wants to see any asexual character, but I feel like they would be an alien or robot at which point I think I would rather be called an incel on twitter
If you haven't already, you should definitely watch Bojack Horseman! Great representation :)
I mean how would we know who is asexual without it being super forced
@@kylethefan6062 Asexuality has a big spectrum so there's a lot of stuff people could do without making it feel forced.
Also asexuality doesn't always go hand in hand with being aromatic so there's EVEN more that people could do with that.
I personally want asexual character not really in this show directly but in shows with a asexual character that’s on the actual spectrum bc the rep and how asexuality is perceived is very much black and white when it’s not I’m gray ace so I don’t fall under being completely asexual nor am I allosexual bc what sexual attraction I feel is very small and I don’t always feel it and that the main thing for me is I want ace rep to be the spectrum and not seen as asexuality being something where there isn’t anything in between
@@catpee7727 I would love that! I'm also kinda of a gray ace,, sex repulsed towards people tho. I'd love an ace with a partner, one that is gray, or an ace that isn't also aro.
Reasons to be homophobic:
-There are no reasons. Hating someone based on they’re own personal attraction to the same gender is messed up.
-Q force.
Lmao
Imao
lmao
lmao.
lmao
this made me think of the movie the half of it on netflix, which doesnt advertise itself as an lgbtq movie but its about a wlw relationship. the point im trying to make is that treating gay relationships (like steven universe) as completely normal is honestly received so much better
omg i loved the half of it
Half of It is the ONLY Netflix teen movie I ever enjoyed, it's funny and poetic in a sense
the half of it is directed and written by chinese american lesbian alice wu! she also did an east asian lesbian movie called saving face :)
One of my favourite films!!
Steven universe was fantastic rep to watch. Tons of lesbian representation, a non-binary character or two, a poly couple, a gay wedding, all treated as completely normal. They’re not some selling point or moral lesson, they just… are. Always loved the show for that.
The straight "allies" at my school are probably dying to tell the lgbtqia+ community that this is gonna be amazing representation.
the artists did a really good job, but god damn netflix is doing them SO dirty 💀
When I was young and questioning I heard the word "twink" used only in a malicious way more than once. I thought it was a slur until very recently because of that. I knew what it meant and to whom it refers, and never would have used it to describe anybody because I thought it was mean. Now, I understand that it's not always mean and can just be a descriptor. However, it's important to consider the historical context of these words, especially when making a show that's going to be on a super popular site like Netflix.
Agreed.
its giving "yasss girlie slay queen!" energy
I'm kind of getting the sense that Stat is trans, and I don't know why they couldn't have just said that instead of her having a "secret of her own". It's worth noting that 'trans woman computer scientist/hacker' is also sort of a stereotype, but her VA is Patti Harrison which is cool.
Person? It actual,actually, a stereotype from where ,what show and where is its origin?
You know it's bad when children animated shows have better and more diverse representation then this show has in it's trailer.
Shitty trailer, honestly an okay show
I bet you there's gonna be a line there saying
"Yass QUEEN 👑 Skinny Legend Versace boots 👠 the House down 🏠 Slay Queen 💅 Hunty Momma 💁♀️ Anna oop- Daddy work 💵 Charlie xcx ♂️ Snatch my wig 💇♀️"
As an asexual person if she ends up being asexual I’ll be happy for more representation but with it being such a stereotype I’m not really going to be all that happy
I’m nearly a walking stereotype of an ace person and I want some non-stereotypical representation. Or any rep but non-stereotypical would be far better
Whats the stereotype of an ace person?
Basically it’s this nerdy techy not very social/socially awkward person.
Also having little to no understanding of affection and love, pretty much been reduced to an emotionless robot. Or an innocent and child like with no idea about sex. Or both!
It's not that bad
i really wish this show could have included a lesbian that isn't the "butch" stereotype that most people first think of. i'm a femme lesbian, and it was really hard for me to accept that at first, because in media, all you see if the tough lesbian acts stereotypically masculine
I thought the same thing!
yeah same here. this is why i love Amity Blight- a confirmed lesbian who's pretty feminine but also really powerful
I disagree. I very much do *not* see a lot of butch lesbians in media. Where are all these butch lesbians everyone keeps mentioning? Please I'd like to know
@@Anonymous_Gambito Just search it up, I don’t have the time to remember all the shows and movies, I watched where I seen it.
@@EmilyHernandez-jt4cs Searched it up. All I saw was WHITE femme lesbians being represented. Butch identity isn't a "stereotype" moreso underrepresented.
If y’all wanna see gay spies watch “Spies are forever” by Tin Can Brothers. It’s a musical and it’s pretty amazing.
FINA L L Y SOMEONE RECOGNIZING CURT AND OWEN
A TCB fan here? :D
Just commented something similar damn you beat me to it
you forgot to add that it's on youtube and it's free
YES ITS SO GOOD!!!
I don’t know about everyone else but Q-Force is actually pretty good for a parody I love it… the trailer didn’t do it much justice but the show itself is amazing! And now looking forward to season 2!
The show is funny, actually. Seems like they caused controversy so people would watch it, surprising.
Or just hired a shitty trailer maker, one of the two
@@DevinDoingstuff probably both
As a trans guy- I do not see a lot of trans representation. I really wish there was more- and I cant name any trans characters off the top of my head. I get that it's kinda hard to show but still- it's almost a little offensive when you see shows meant to represent the entire LGBTQ+ community and see absolutely no trans or non binary representation whatsoever
Honestly. LGBTQ+ has just become a handle for LGQ now
There's a transwomen Kuina in Alice in Borderland on netflix. She's the only one that stuck with me, really intresting character
Oddly enough, the first thing that comes to mind for me is Otis from Barnyard. He's a cow, not a bull, and there's a scene where his uncle briefly confuses him with a sister who doesn't exist. It's still somewhat debatable whether it was intended to be read that way, or if they just made him a cow because cows have more iconic design elements, but I think the trans reading is pretty well supported.
It's actually really upsetting how cis people will say "LGBTQ" but use it to basically mean "The Gay Community" and completely forget that trans people exist. They straight up just remove us from the conversation.
Yeah, also do people forget that trans people can be straight? And they still get to be called queer (if they want) and be part of the lgbtqia+/queer community. It feels weird to be acting like there’s no way a straight person could be in Q force (or again, even just the queer community in general) when trans people literally exist
"Ah yes guys, let's make LGBTQIA+ In almost every sentence" Bro can we not make being gay a whole character's plotline. Legit I am pretty sure that a vast majority of the people in LGBTQIA+ don't make their sexuality, gender or any orientation about everything in their life.
the owl house did it best
@@themainman7010 why is a homophobe here?
@@Jenna-in4br some of the troublesome characters in terms of lbgt representation do unfortunately fall into the "My sexuality and gender is my character". Fortunately enough, even though they do bring up the queer aspect a few times, they actually don't make their sexuality and gender their entire character. It does have some stereotypes in it, but not to the point where it becomes overbearingly annoying (though might get a few eye rolls at times, jokes can be hit or miss). Best thing to do is to take it for what it is, a satire lbgt spyflick that had a very unfortunately bad trailer.
@@DevinDoingstuff what shows are you watching where the entire charector is summed down to thier sexuailty?
@@Jenna-in4br a good chunk of rwby.
I’m an asexual Bi romantic..
I’d love representation that wasn’t “I feel nothing. My brain is mush. Nothing matters”
Because being asexual doesn’t mean that I don’t feel romantic feelings?? It just means I don’t feel sexual attraction 🥲
im an asexual lesbian and exactly
i can feel romantic feelings im not just some robotic empty void like
😭😭
@@PhoenixArtz000 Same. Ace les. Like i want to be hugged, cuddled. But why does kissing feel like SNAILS. What worse no one understand how disgusting it feel (thats around me.) If I say someone is good looking they'll go "I thought you where ace..." Doesn't mean ace's cant see beauty! Really wish we'd get some repensatation.
@@frelkagegesh5783 I'm a Bi Ace and same!!!
kissing itself is okay, quick pecks and whatever, but making out is such an uncomfortable thing I cant handle it for too long
@@frelkagegesh5783 Allo gay here, I'm pretty sure everyone thinks kissing (and outright sex) is disgusting, they just don't care... Like if you were starving, you'd eat something even if it tasted kinda bad, yknow? Even if you felt a little sick thinking you're eating whatever ingredient you find gross, you'd feel worse just starving. So I think people just kinda try not to think too much about it.
@Kael asexual and lesbian
i don't get sexually attracted to anyone but I'm romantically attracted to women 👍
maybe some nonbinaries and genderfluids here and there but mostly women :)
idk if you were confused or were making a joke about how i said "asexual lesbian" lmaoo
I'm watching the show and IDK, it is not half as bad as I expected? Yes, the show plays with steriotypes from the community, the characters can be somewhat shallow and everything is so exaggerated, but there is also a genuine message about standing up for yourself and not settling for less, conversion therapy, homophobia in the workplace, misogyny etc. I think we need to keep in mind the show was meant to be comical and satirical, of course it is not gonna be the promised piece of media that will perfectly represent all LGBTQ people that we keep waiting for. I think that at some point we deserve to be able to laugh at ourselves a bit and roll with the stereotypes while being mindful and critical about them, and I think the show encourages just that through the sheer absurdity of the jokes and characters.
Oh I've just been assuming that Stat's "terrible, dark secret" is that she's mtf. Cause we don't have a confirmed trans person on the team. And that seems like something people would write as something that has to be a secret.
She is! and she is voiced by a trans woman. She is one of two trans women in the show (one of which is a side character featured in two episodes).
@@Redonx who was the side character
The main problem is when you making being gay a personality.
Edit: can goldenapple get more likes cause my guy a while philosopher
I just wanna clarify, i came out to my Titi a while ago and when people create characters with one trait or people in general who asserts their sexuality and just make it a characteristic gives other the wrong impression.
Everytime someone does this, my family memeber will always exchange a weird look to me and have the mentality of it being ‘a phase’
@@damnthatscrazy4426 as a queer person, when you make a GAY character instead of a gay CHARACTER it becomes a problem in my opinion.
@@goldenapple3952 that was so deep my G
@@goldenapple3952 woah wait that actually makes sense-
thats facts, a character's sexuality is only one part of them
I’m sorry but the editing makes this 1000% better, I love it all
all the wasted money on conversion camps, when they couldve just shown gay people this show... smh 😐
Okay so I didn’t wanna watch this show because of the trailer but I binged it and it was amazing
Like it was terrible and awful but it was fantastic
@@Isa-fq9kk had the same experience, a constant state of bouncing between cringe, apathy, and legitimate hilarity in some cases
Yeah i really liked it too. Like it had its cringy moments but u find that true for all shows that try to have humor. And I didn't really laugh much but that's because I don't have a good sense of humor and hardly ever laugh at comedy. But i actually really enjoyed the characters and storyline
Having watched the show coincidentally last night without any notion of the trailer and its controversy, gotta say it was pretty entertaining as a whole and I believe people are only hating on because it's trendy to do so and legitimately haven't watched and probably won't, just like what happened to Insatiable. However, unlike Insatiable, I think this show has a charm to it.
I don't think people were hating on it because it's trendy. It's because the trailers are fucking awful
@@meowntown69 Tea 😅
I think so too. I watched the show before the trailer and now when I actually saw the trailer, i would prob be hating on it.
Same. Thank god, I didn't watch the trailer.
Or because the trailer sucks. I'm sorry, Netflix is terrible at making trailers
5:43 this might’ve been just my interpretation but i thought that joke was addressing like how irl a lot of people will reject someone once they find out they are gay and purposely replace them with a straight person but then act like they aren’t being homophobic and that it was completely logical. i didn’t even think about how it might be a parody on how lgbtq+ community wishes for representation where a certain character happens to be gay
8:00 i feel like i keep assuming their jokes are parodies of the people who are homophobic/adding token queer people instead of parodies of the lgbtq+ community itself,,
but also yeah,, *why* do we need a token straight character when they have 201928832993 other shows yk
yeah I agree, also why does the token straight need to be in the Q-Force team? They're not LGBTQ+ (to knowledge without release of the full show) so why have them in a team that is named literally on the fact that all the members are LGBTQ+ in some way? They could just be a side character outside of the group instead if at all
@@maxcollateral exactlyyy the fact theres a straight character there makes it more confusing? maybe their plot point involves him coming out but thats a reachh
@@milktea-teabubble and even then if it happens and they do end up being LGBTQ+ they can be brought into the team after they realise that, otherwise it just looks like a cishet person is in a LGBTQ+ group
@@maxcollateral yupp exactly
I feel like the main problem is that the entire show is based around the fact everyone is LGBTQ Like idk I feel like if they made it just a casual show with LGBTQ in it it would feel like better representation? I don’t know if that makes sense the way I put it 😅 I’m still learning about LGBTQ so maybe I just don’t fully understand yet? Sorry if this is offensive or just stupid 😅
No, you're right. I may only be asexual, so I don't fully understand what the rest of the community feels to a core, but I do know if a character ONLY existed BECAUSE he's asexual, it would make me mad. I enjoy things. I dislike things. I can be an ass, I can be kind; a good representation would be someone being casually asexual - like me!
Therefore, I believe many people think the same way. You weren't offensive nor stupid, no worries!
I think it's possible to have them all be GRSM, but the problem comes when it's what it's ABOUT.
It doesn't matter if they're all lgbt, what matters is that its apparently the only aspect of their existence. Their characters exist purely as just the concept "queer" they arent real characters, and dont feel like real people at all. Unlike how in steven universe, even though the vast majority of characters are queer, they actually have personalities and uniqueness and flaws and character development, it isnt just "haha gay guy does gay thing" the characters in steven universe make you feel like you know them, they are accurate representation and are wonderfully received because of their three dimensionality.
@@facelessdrone yeah that’s kinda what I was trying to say haha sorry it was kind of all over the place when I commented 😅
This is so true. The problem was they made it so that they have Gay characters as if gay was their personality and not just characters who happen to be open abt their sexuality. wouldve been better if they just let them be a person and just have their sexuality not be a major part of the plot.
Title for the series suggestion: suddenly I'm homophobic
“We’ve seen this before, where a good movie or a show will flop with the trailer, HTTYD I’m looking at you”
Hah, I understood that reference.
These character designs (mainly stat) are actually kinda nice.
right
i want stats hair style
i like their character design
@@Ash-cm1qe stats unironically really fucking cute
This has worked better than any conversation therapy
I'm sorry, the title can only make me think of the g-force movie(you know, the one with the gerbals)
Same!!
Omg 😭
I thibk they were guinea pigs tho! But oh my gosh this is why the title seemed familiar lmao
28:31 (without having finished the video yet)
I’ve actually heard that Netflix will purposefully give really bad trailers to shows they want to flop and end after one season. So that’s possibly another reason why it was so bad, atleast as of right now without having seen the show and being told by creators that it’s not accurate.
Ahh, so they get the Treasure Planet treatment.
I actually watched the whole show... and I actually liked it. It was actually kinda good. Please take my word for it.
Lots of people judging without watching, it happens to alot of shows and movies!
I was biased and watched it, it's actually a hilarious show!
it is and im tired of eveyone bashing it for no reason it plays alone these trops and made them work so nicely
@@skycrafter2042 ikr. People are taking the show seriously when it's just a Marvel-like parody
@@galacticandromeda yea it even has a staight comic relife charater as a way to reverse that trope and eatch charater shows that they are much more then the tropes they show they look like these tropes but they are much much more
*me speeding through the trailer clips, softly repeating to myself* I would hate being cishet I would hate it
when I want lgbtq representation I don’t want this. I don’t want lgbtq to be separated from other stuff, I just want lgbtq characters to be in all shows and not make it the whole show premises if that makes sense. That’s why I love shcitts creek, one of th email characters is pan, and then ends up getting married to a gay man. And it’s like a homophobic free show because everybody just treats it normal which I love. I hope yall understand what I mean
THISSS
I'm so tempted to give the teensy microphone a name, any suggestions
Liz. Liz Chen. The microphone to which you Listen.
Daisy the microphone
johnathan seenah because its the john cena mic
Anthon
Mike
My TH-cam recommendations are dropping some real gems lately. Didn't know about this show before but I'll be excited to hear it from yourself xx Lovely voice btw *Subscribed*
I just finished watching it. I loved it. I’m an older gay and it actually tackles real issues. It’s made FOR the community. It’s gay. It’s got the old jokes, the old references. You kids may not get it, but my husband and I loved it.
Factual Child should get his own netflix show
I think my biggest issue, if it is a parody, then it is just gonna be full of stereotypes. The LGBTQ+ community hasn't had much media with dignified representation. If we were treated with more respect in society, I might feel different about this show. I'm worried that the homophobes are just gonna use this as more fuel for hate.
With that being said, I'm open-minded. I'll still give it a shot. I'm not hopeful though. Lmao.
Honestly, it is satire, but I've seen way worse satire.
@@DevinDoingstuff I actually did end up watching it. And it was better than I expected. I had a few gripes with it, but they could fix them for the second season, if it's renewed.
@@AyameSohma1993 yeah it's actually better than what the trailer let's on, not groundbreaking but actually watchable with some good jokes here and there.
I personally love dark humor, but I think a lot of people (especially those who get super offended, but including the ones who engage in it) don't understand that there's a time and place for those jokes. It matters who the audience is and you have to read the room. You can make tons of messed up jokes with family or partners that makes you guys die laughing, like I do, but that doesn't mean you go to school, work, a public/social setting, or even certain online communities and make jokes that are insensitive or harmful. I hope that makes sense. You predicted that people who like dark humor go too far but I wouldn't say I do. I think people should be able to laugh at themselves and others when it's appropriate; not everyone feels that way and that is FINE, I don't go out of my way to say things that make people of other communities uncomfortable, but with my inner circle, I love me some mean jokes
YESS!!
I personally don't like dark humour because of a "friend" targeting me with racist jokes incessantly.
But i respect you so much for respecting people's boundaries!! Dark humour is great, but not at all times!
I have a friend who's sense in humor is racist, homophobic, and sexist. I hate it and tell him to pls not tell me those jokes bc I dont think they're funny. I like dark humor but not when it's used to make fun of a group of people for existing. If you're gonna use a lot of humor like that maybe target it towards communities that yiu are in.
Same.
@@idiomatic444 It is normally communities that I'm in, but it is NEVER in front of those it may offend. No one needs to hear jokes about Mexicans (which I am) while walking down the street. It's only with people who I know will laugh at it. As someone who grew up in a family where some people say DISGUSTING things that are really upsetting, I've learned firsthand what simply isn't funny or necessary to say. Especially as a gay person and other minorities, I understand. My sense of dark humor is different than "*says slurs and insults minorities*"
Exactly. The whole point of dark humor is that it's supposed to bring some sort of happiness to a shitty situation. By, y'know, making them laugh. When told to the wrong person or reduced to "heh it's because he's black" you will easily do the opposite, making the people who went through those things feel more isolated.
I saw the show, and I give it like a 7/10. I enjoyed the relationship between people of different sizes.. Mary's first romantic relationship is with a plus sized man and I like that. It gave me some confidence being the loveable teddy bear I am. 🤗
I’m so glad I gave it a chance because I’m hooked 😂😂
we have to get through this cringy phase of every character saying QUEEEN SLAYYY until they can understand what actually happens and untill queer people are not just these stereotypical YAAS character
Welcome back to a show that says “If you’re part of the LGBTQIA+, you will be expected to be treated like shit in a job/professional setting. And we’re not going to do anything to change that” like... please. As a trans kid, I’ve been taught that I shouldn’t look flamboyant at all if I want a job. I can’t have dyed hair or want piercings or just being able to flat out say that I have they/them pronouns. I get that some stores are starting to accept change and to include pronouns on name tags and they don’t care about your hair or piercings, but that’s not what’s expected. That’s not the average, it’s the best case scenario. We need to normalize people getting the jobs they need without having to worry about how they look or present themself, and even if it’s “not realistic”, it’s a fictional show, and it could do something to pave a path to a better future somehow. It’s better than being lazy and making a “Oh they need to PROVE that they’re strong and capable to have acceptance” storyline.
@@fartsmella9267 honestly valid opinion, I get where you’re coming from
@@SunnyDummyShark love the respect more people on the internet should be like you
(I love that u use LGBTQIA+ btw)
Not to mention, I sure love seeing a show focused around minorities, then scrolling down and seeing it's mostly produced by straight white men. Really pushing that representation guys.
Dude, the show litteraly states the opposite. They treat people from this corporation as villans
To be fair to the show, after watching it, the show subverted expectations. They say that you shouldn’t just lie low and hide yourself, you should be unabashedly yourself, and other people just have to accept that. They’d didn’t change, the intolerant people either changed, or shut up.
It’s actually a really good fun show not everything has to be serious
"Today I'm gonna make a show about horses!"
"Oh, cool. Do you know anything about horses?"
"Idk they're like big and run fast or something right lol"
*the selfsame logic that went into making this offensive disaster
i love how you say things in a way i want to as well but can't. idk, i love listening to you cuz i feel understood in my way of thinking etc. i'm often struggling to explain/communicate the stuff in my head (even in my native language, which is german.) and it's frustrating cuz i love sharing opinions and telling people random shit.
anywaysss, i love your opinions and this video!
SLAYYYY
SLß👹
QUEEN
SISTER SNATCHED
*insert aave here*
slaaaAAAAAAAAY 👺
suddenly i am a cishet woman 😻
Same 😍😍
😻 slay
Omg...this is soooooo me😍
same 😍
same i like the log 😍😍😍
I'm getting so stressed rn because I just imagine people trying to understand the community and thinking that everything is like this..
Like if my family or friends tried to understand me through this it would be hopeless and even though it'll probably be genuine I think they'll just get the wrong impression and that's how they'll see us and it's literally stressing me out 😫
It was actually good tho...
I hate the fact that ppl is saying like "omg so much steryotipes", but lets be honest there's actual gay people who looks/acts/talks like that, don't they deserve to be somehow in screen too?
I mean, not all gay/les/trans/nb are super straight/cis passing, and it's damn ok to give them representation.
The characters are fine, they are not just gay, they have TALENTS, feelings, and a back story that we can see a little, but the story is well developed...
THIS. The show is actually pretty good and people should give it a shot (which they probably won't due to the bad rep) and not only hate it because it's a popular thing to do.
fresh tilapia been serving some good content and good looks too
I feel like the producers were not expecting backlash because it was "made by fellow queer people" and for the community, but like you said, the intentions of the show are unclear. If it's trying to be something revolutionary in queer rep then hm..uh WHAT. It makes more sense as like an lgbtq+ adult comedy show, but even then if it was there should be a more diverse cast since the community is huge and it seems like they were like okay cool, look we have one gay man and one lesbian woman :)
And an ace bi with preference for women, another gay guy. It's also on a limited time of 10 episodes, which can only feature so many characters. Also it's heavy satire, just seen it myself.
@@DevinDoingstuff Also just gave it a watch myself, lol definitely a comedy show. Some jokes just didn’t land for me but that’s okay, it even felt cringe sometimes. Maybe it will get more content, I remember seeing it in the top 10
At first I thought that you were only gonna make fun of it but as soon as you showed the wiki, that storyboarder opinion on the trailer and talked about stereotypes I knew that this was quality content
Thank you for spreading so much info you got a new subscriber! 😊
I would just like to say this show was actually funny the cast was diverse the plot was actually good character development was made they honestly just really suck at marketing highly recommended
I can't tell if this is legit or not
@@zanerobbins3794 it's actually alright, not 10/10 show but at least around 7/10. The characters are more than what they let on in the trailer and the jokes lands some pretty funny lines at times. Not every joke hits, but those that do hit is enough to get a good chuckle.
i wouldn’t say diverse, it only had lesbian and gay people characters (or barley mentioned by character), and like 2 important POC characters
YES!!
I watched the whole show, it was not bad at all. for me its a solid 7.5/10. I am looking forward to the second season.
Things that make the gay go away, or things that make my gay go away. Things that are more effective than conversion therapy. For the series title. Just throwing out ideas lol
Stat seems like she could end up being bisexual, or maybe trans or non binary, but maybe it's a plot twist or spoiler for something in one of the later episodes, and that's what they mean