@@BikerGirlTraveler omg your comment brought me back to this vid and still makes me laugh watching him disappear down the mountain. Hope the dude still riding
The problem here is the fear factor. I am a virtual newbie with about 40 hours riding time since Jan of this year, most of it in the last month since I bought a 200cc road-mountain bike here in Nicaragua to get to my deep campo ranch. My first experience on dirt was on a road that makes this training course look like a paved road. Well-worn large irregular dips, ruts and crevices over varied terrain of rock, loose dirt and wheel-eating mud (rainy season now). Two roads to get in and I chose the worst one for my first time ever. I made it through a mug bog you wouldn't believe. How did I prevail? My ingenuous attitude left no room for doubt or fear. I knew that if I slowed down I was dead. Somehow I sashayed my way through. Maybe my bicycle and 2wd experience on snowy hills (winters in New Englad USA) gave me a headstart. In any case, when I went to go again, I chose the supposedly less hazardous road, but it did have the precarious rutted down hill and curing uphill to get by. My first two rides in and out went OK, for the same reason that I was too new to think about the consequences of my actions. But on the third time, I was overcome with the feeling of imminent danger (the reality) and I became focused on going slow and choosing the "safest" route, which gave me time to be indecisive. Going up and near the top of the second hill, I tried to laterally cross over a large rut for no good reason, the wheel slipped, I panicked and watched myself ride straight off the road into the concrete runoff ditch. The bike slid sideways into the ditch (fit nicely) and came to an upright stop agains the retaining wall with my right ankle getting crushed between the motor and the wall. (Thankfully, Fate had it that there was no breakage, just a severe crush injury which is recovinger OK ten days later. Just so happened that the locals leveled the road the next days later.) Managed to drag the front wheel out of the ditch and motor the bike out of the ditch and made it over the "easy" part of the road to the ranch. Did my day of work. Got pissed at myself when it came time to go home. I knew that my leg couldn't take another blow and that my fear would inevitably justify itself by creating an "accident" again. A mantra came to my mind: "Pick your line and go for it." I repeated that as I rode back, not letting any feeling of fear or doubt get into my mind. No option to fail, and it worked, and I got out OK. I should mention that I am 60 years old and have absolutely no protective riding gear (hard to find here, still looking) and no crash bars on the bike... Now, I fell again on the same leg yesterday, again going too slow and tentatively, thankfully into bog mud and just a minor calf bruise... I am now going to get a custom-made crashbar installed so that at least I can stop getting injured by the bike falling on me. Looking for some adequate boots with ankle and lower leg protection. But most important is the positive mental attitude. Pick my line, look to my destination, go for it at the appropriate speed. No fear. That's the key.
This is a training course? Taking noobs down a steep loose track? Maybe get them used to grabbing a bunch of front brake on something a little firmer first. And who let's someone with hard panniers on an off-road course!
I admit that I have not yet taken a dirt riding skills seminar for adventure bikes. Looks like I wouldn't choose this one. Don't they follow each other too closely on those steep and loose downhills?
Front brakes should never be used downhill, they made the mistake of putting too much rear brake, it’s all about controlling the speed and letting the gravity do its thing.
Poor thing, I think that he heard “pick the middle.” Not “don’t pick the middle where is all loose.” I heard he kept on sliding all the way to the other side aide if the country and into the ocean. No one could stop the poor man.
these people are clearly not ready for these trails and are going to get injured. I suspect they've never been on a dirt bike on even these mild trails. You don't jump on a 5 to 600lb bike to learn dirt bike skills
@ 04:18 I'm sorry I laughed. He smoothly slid out of the frame. 🤣🤣🤣 I learned nothing but just a bunch of unarmed men doing stuff they don't seem 2 be ready 4.
I’ve never understood why someone buys an adventure bike that’s made for the street. That’s why I have the ktm 1090 r with off-road suspension and knobby tires. Makes sense to me...🙄🙄 Hard to have an adventure riding down the highway.
I don't understand why someone would buy an adventure bike that has way more power than you truly need offroad. That's why I have bike so old you can fix it with a hammer instead of a laptop. Makes sense to me :-).
@@BigBeardBuilds plus that those huge adventure bikes costs more than a average car. A DR650 would do just great for this type of terrain, even a royal enfield himalayan would be enough.
Too fast. Not standing up and getting your butt over the rear. Too much rear brake and afraid to use the front. Poor balance and not using your body in the turns. Terrible lines. Are these novice riders?
Its their money...its their experience...bad or otherwise... Maybe stop being jealous with their bikes and bitching around. Everyone has to start somewhere...
I really don’t understand why everyone stands up. It’s a smooth track and visibility is not obstructed. More weight up high on those slow speeds is kinda like a pendulum. I’m not a noob either saying this. I’ve been off-road riding for years and really think a lot of off-roading advice is rubbish.
Riding On Eggshells because they don’t have a seat for one reason. And trials is stunt riding, far far different than ripping down a perfectly smooth dirt road.
Bob Mcgrath but it’s not. If I stand up my weight goes up. The center of all that mass moves up. My center is in my lower chest and that weight goes up a couple of feet making my torso a pendulum. I feel much more under control on most surfaces sitting down. Standing is only for the really rutty whoops.
Jay Whoisit you’re completely incorrect. I’ve raced and ridden thousands of hours off-road from rally to hard enduro to motocross. I’ve yet to meet anyone who agrees with what you are saying.
4:10 legends say he is still sliding down to this day
😂
Ha! Yeah, I was like "no one got hurt" ... Dude, we just watched the mountain claim a man!
@@that8506 right? 😂
I going to commend the same thing. Scary how we think alike. Are you my twin? Haha!
@@BikerGirlTraveler omg your comment brought me back to this vid and still makes me laugh watching him disappear down the mountain. Hope the dude still riding
I see this and have in mind Dusty's video about tackling steep rutted hills, and wonder if the level of instruction is adequate at this seminar.
The problem here is the fear factor. I am a virtual newbie with about 40 hours riding time since Jan of this year, most of it in the last month since I bought a 200cc road-mountain bike here in Nicaragua to get to my deep campo ranch. My first experience on dirt was on a road that makes this training course look like a paved road. Well-worn large irregular dips, ruts and crevices over varied terrain of rock, loose dirt and wheel-eating mud (rainy season now). Two roads to get in and I chose the worst one for my first time ever. I made it through a mug bog you wouldn't believe. How did I prevail? My ingenuous attitude left no room for doubt or fear. I knew that if I slowed down I was dead. Somehow I sashayed my way through. Maybe my bicycle and 2wd experience on snowy hills (winters in New Englad USA) gave me a headstart. In any case, when I went to go again, I chose the supposedly less hazardous road, but it did have the precarious rutted down hill and curing uphill to get by. My first two rides in and out went OK, for the same reason that I was too new to think about the consequences of my actions. But on the third time, I was overcome with the feeling of imminent danger (the reality) and I became focused on going slow and choosing the "safest" route, which gave me time to be indecisive. Going up and near the top of the second hill, I tried to laterally cross over a large rut for no good reason, the wheel slipped, I panicked and watched myself ride straight off the road into the concrete runoff ditch. The bike slid sideways into the ditch (fit nicely) and came to an upright stop agains the retaining wall with my right ankle getting crushed between the motor and the wall. (Thankfully, Fate had it that there was no breakage, just a severe crush injury which is recovinger OK ten days later. Just so happened that the locals leveled the road the next days later.) Managed to drag the front wheel out of the ditch and motor the bike out of the ditch and made it over the "easy" part of the road to the ranch. Did my day of work. Got pissed at myself when it came time to go home. I knew that my leg couldn't take another blow and that my fear would inevitably justify itself by creating an "accident" again. A mantra came to my mind: "Pick your line and go for it." I repeated that as I rode back, not letting any feeling of fear or doubt get into my mind. No option to fail, and it worked, and I got out OK. I should mention that I am 60 years old and have absolutely no protective riding gear (hard to find here, still looking) and no crash bars on the bike... Now, I fell again on the same leg yesterday, again going too slow and tentatively, thankfully into bog mud and just a minor calf bruise... I am now going to get a custom-made crashbar installed so that at least I can stop getting injured by the bike falling on me. Looking for some adequate boots with ankle and lower leg protection. But most important is the positive mental attitude. Pick my line, look to my destination, go for it at the appropriate speed. No fear. That's the key.
This is a training course? Taking noobs down a steep loose track? Maybe get them used to grabbing a bunch of front brake on something a little firmer first. And who let's someone with hard panniers on an off-road course!
I love all the different bikes ..run what you brung..
I admit that I have not yet taken a dirt riding skills seminar for adventure bikes. Looks like I wouldn't choose this one. Don't they follow each other too closely on those steep and loose downhills?
didn't seem like any of those guys understood that on a loose, steep descent your back brake won't slow you down. You have to use the front.
Front brakes should never be used downhill, they made the mistake of putting too much rear brake, it’s all about controlling the speed and letting the gravity do its thing.
@@arjunveer1612 Front brakes are 80 % stopping power on hills, if the hill was 1 mile long, gravity would kill us
You have no fucking clue.
@@arjunveer1612 I hope you are not an instructor…
@@arjunveer1612 You're wrong. Yes we all used to think never use front brake. But that's wrong. One should not jam the front; light lever pressure.
Poor thing, I think that he heard “pick the middle.” Not “don’t pick the middle where is all loose.” I heard he kept on sliding all the way to the other side aide if the country and into the ocean. No one could stop the poor man.
Advanced Off-road Training? If you don´t provide proper BASIC training, I hope you didn´t actually release a «Part 2».
I wanted to see the guy in the versys 650 with the 17" going down the hill
The amount of drops down the hill, wow. They seem to crap themselves and have a drop.
Why begin with a huge gs?
Steep learning curve at this training.
these people are clearly not ready for these trails and are going to get injured. I suspect they've never been on a dirt bike on even these mild trails. You don't jump on a 5 to 600lb bike to learn dirt bike skills
The classic high siding. Iwonder if it's not the weight of these things that's causing half the problem for these guys
guy on KLR w/ hard bags scared me! lol Bet he has broken ankle or knee issues by now doing that type of terrain w/ hard bags.
I know what you mean, I have those panniers on my KLR and I could not imagine taking them on anything more than mellow two track.
That guy on the KTM 690 made it look easy.
@ 04:18 I'm sorry I laughed. He smoothly slid out of the frame. 🤣🤣🤣
I learned nothing but just a bunch of unarmed men doing stuff they don't seem 2 be ready 4.
Best advice to all the riders shown in this video:
buy a decent Offroad-Bike and don't try to be Pol Tarres on a SUV with two wheels.
Fantastic action!!!!
Just... Wow.
Advanced?
Gotta love beginners . . .
4:18 Ohh it's terrible crash ! (((
Where is this?
I’ve never understood why someone buys an adventure bike that’s made for the street. That’s why I have the ktm 1090 r with off-road suspension and knobby tires. Makes sense to me...🙄🙄 Hard to have an adventure riding down the highway.
I don't understand why someone would buy an adventure bike that has way more power than you truly need offroad. That's why I have bike so old you can fix it with a hammer instead of a laptop. Makes sense to me :-).
@@BigBeardBuilds smiles in Yam XT
@@BigBeardBuilds plus that those huge adventure bikes costs more than a average car. A DR650 would do just great for this type of terrain, even a royal enfield himalayan would be enough.
I don't think most of those guys would have done any better on a 1090 R, or even a 690. Like Lance Armstrong said; It's not about the bike.
Probably because it's great of all purpose touring on long journeys. Kicks ass on road and can hold it's own for the most part off-road.
is this a "how to highside " class? Come on folks....
This is exactly why I always try to ride a smaller bike off-road. Most of these crashes wouldn’t have occurred on a 450 or even a 701 or PR7
BMW skill 💪🤣
Too fast. Not standing up and getting your butt over the rear. Too much rear brake and afraid to use the front. Poor balance and not using your body in the turns. Terrible lines. Are these novice riders?
Yep. Or what kind of an offroad training course is this - does it even include ANY form of training before setting out on a trail like this???
Where is the Multistrada enduro 1200? Better then those damn BMWs. Lol
WTF 4:18 😁 I hope he’s ok!!!
Some people just have no fucking common sense, doesn't take classes to have it.
4:18 Ragdoll physics
For God sakes go slow.........oh no....
Sweeet
More money than sense. A bunch of guy with $20k bikes that can't handle simple riding
Its their money...its their experience...bad or otherwise...
Maybe stop being jealous with their bikes and bitching around.
Everyone has to start somewhere...
Bikes are too big
I really don’t understand why everyone stands up. It’s a smooth track and visibility is not obstructed. More weight up high on those slow speeds is kinda like a pendulum. I’m not a noob either saying this. I’ve been off-road riding for years and really think a lot of off-roading advice is rubbish.
Why don't trials riders sit down then?
Riding On Eggshells because they don’t have a seat for one reason. And trials is stunt riding, far far different than ripping down a perfectly smooth dirt road.
Standing up means the weight is on the pegs which is lower down than if you sit on the seat.
Bob Mcgrath but it’s not. If I stand up my weight goes up. The center of all that mass moves up. My center is in my lower chest and that weight goes up a couple of feet making my torso a pendulum. I feel much more under control on most surfaces sitting down. Standing is only for the really rutty whoops.
Jay Whoisit you’re completely incorrect. I’ve raced and ridden thousands of hours off-road from rally to hard enduro to motocross. I’ve yet to meet anyone who agrees with what you are saying.