The issue is mostly due to Intel CPUs. The Intel Macbooks also do that. The CPU just generally runs hotter and the fans need to spin up more, but the M chips are more efficient (similar to the Snapdragon ones) so it stays cooler and the fans only turn on during demanding tasks.
0:52 Are you sure it's 90W? I thought the binned 12-core accepts 70W? That's actually one of the reasons why I want to buy the 12-core instead of the 14-core - to make sure the TDP is lower. Thanks for the review.
The 'issue' is that you're comparing the 14 inch chassis vs a 16 inch one The new 16 inch running M4 Pro is much less noisy than the 14 inch according to other reviewers. The fans on the 16 inch are bigger so they are able to spin slower while providing the same level of cooling (and also take longer to come on due to the chassis allowing for better passive cooling). One reviewer found during max load the 14 inch was running around 5000 RPM but the 16 inch was only running around 3000 RPM and so was significantly quieter.
That's entirely true. I just wanted to go for the smaller size this time. My main concern was: is it noisy when I just surf the web with an external monitor? Can it screen-record without going crazy ? In both cases, it's completely silent. Even editing this video (super lightweight timeline and effects, to be fair) and rendering it was silent. I don't mind the fan noise when it's doing heavy stuff.
@@Distillated Are you enjoying the 14-inch model? I got the M1 14-inch and used it for some months, but I disliked the screen size. I increased the zoom a little bit in VSCode and found it better. I don’t know, but for most apps I used, I felt the size wasn’t always so good. Then I changed to the M1 16-inch. I enjoyed it more, with no problems with resolution; it was like it was perfect for everything. Now I’m thinking about upgrading to the M4, but I’m in doubt if I should try the 14-inch again.
I actually love small laptops. Easy to carry around or chill in the sofa with. When I work, I'm connected to an external monitor 85% of the time (I code / edit on the external monitor and use the laptop as my preview, so no big deal). For the remaining 15%, I prefer the 16-inch screen for sure but it's not my main use case so I saved a few bucks.
@Distillated thanks for your reply! I use it the other way. Like yours in the video, but I use the MacBook screen as the “main” monitor, so it is where I use to code. I use the external monitor for web and preview, that’s why I disliked the smaller screen size a bit, but I also enjoy being better for portability. I will look more into it, thanks again!
No need to go for 1 hour - large LLMs will stress the system enough for a 650 tokens response, you can check it here: th-cam.com/video/5bNDx5XBlLY/w-d-xo.html
@@Distillated Heavy Xcode / Android Studio / Dev work. But maybe that doesn’t count as heavy anymore. Same work on Intel would spin fans up every day. No video editing, 64gb ram
Video editing on the MP4 Pro is silent (HD footage and some light effects). Rendering this video was silent too. My old 2019 Intel MacBook Pro would have taken off to space...
I haven't heard the fans on my M1 Pro MacBook Pro 16-inch since I got it in 2021. In contrast, my older 2019 MacBook Pro 16-inch with the Intel i9 processor was ridiculously loud-fans would kick in even for basic tasks. It's a night-and-day difference.
hey, would it be possible for you to do some similar fan noise and thermal test with editing use cases ? Like davinci, after effects with some heavy effects ? would love to see that type of content, Btw this particular video was very helpful, i am subbed to the channel now, thanks.
Hey, unfortunately, I only use Final Cut Pro. Editing this video was silent (1080p 30 fps timeline with 29.97 fps and 60 fps footage, some lower thirds, and callouts), with the fans spinning at around 2500 RPM. Rendering was too fast for them to noticeably rev up.
@@salut9658 I have a massive PC under my desk, I dont hear the fan noise, only feel the heat on my feet if the precessor is maxed out. Laptop I use Air M2, because it's silent.
I got paranoid with fan noise from the Intel era. I record a lot with a microphone and a compressor on the vocal chain. Can't take fans anymore. The M1 Air is still fantastic. I will never buy any computer ever, that has a fan. I don't care if it almost never turns on. I want zero chance.
Doing Macbook Air level tasks will keep this thing quiet. You usually shouldn't compare between the two by noise. If you need the performance you go pro, if you dont you go air, regardless of the fan noise. They only turn on on those heavy prolonged tasks that you typically wouldnt buy a macbook air for
@nniklask Agree. I'm kind in the middle. My air is enough to me but some tasks would be better with the Pro. But on the other side I'm used to the total silence of the Air and i dont want to go back in that sense. So i's fine to me hear the fans one in a while but not as the old 2014 MacBook Pros used to do. To me the absence of noise is actually quite important.
Very informative video, thank you for this.🙏🏻 If I may ask, is the fan noise also audible when working in final cut or lightroom? Do you feel that in slightly more intensive tasks, that are more intensive than daily browsing etc. the fans get audible very easily and often? Or do the fans get audible only when there is such a stress test like in benchmarks?
Editing the this video in FCP was silent (either fans off or not-audible at 2400 RPM). Even rendering the video was too fast so the fans didn't accelerate to the point I could hear them.
Thanks for running the stress test which is exactly what I was looking for as I am in dilemma for choosing the right size for my soon-to-be-bought MacBook Pro M4 Pro. I also have the same use case (i.e., running LLM locally) and I am concerned about the thermal management of 14" new MacBook Pro. I hope that you could compare it against the new 16" version. I have two questions, if I may: - I am gonna get M4 Pro 14CPU/20GPU cores with 48GB RAM and 1TB SSD. Is there a specific reason for your choice of base M4 Pro with 12CPU/16GPU? - Do you still recommend this size(14") for an AI Engineer with low to moderate ML-Ops activities?
- Money. Also, the added computing power of those 2 CPU cores (and event the 4 GPU cores) is not significant, please check one of Max Tech's latest video where he compares both models - Both 14" and 16" are fit for the job. The question is really whether you want a bigger screen, and / or quieter fans. 48 GB RAM is the only upgrade worth getting imho.
this is a cool video. i'm looking to buy a macbook for software development bit i'm unsure what spec to get. i want the fans to turn on as little as possible as i live in in dusty environment. would you recommend the M4 24GB, M4 32GB, M4 Pro 12c 24GB or M4 Pro 12c 48 ram
M4 Pro 12c 24GB memory is great, 48GB if you can. The benchmarks make the M4 Pro a clear winner over the M4 - and you get 2 fans (there's only 1 in the M4 base) so better thermal maangement. And since I'm sure we'll run more and more LLMs locally, you can never have too much memory.
I'm wondering, I want to buy a m4 pro, and I have this question. In normal work when you do not do anything difficult (I am a designer) and if I just work in illustrator it will not make noise and heat up? Right now I have a windows laptop and it can sometimes start to get very noisy while working.
how about your workflow? i have m1 pro with 16 gb of ram. Most of time im using Figma, Illustrator, sometimes Photoshop. Works pretty well. How about the temps? Well, most of time my fans either arent spin or spins a liitle but you havent heard any noise. whenever your focus is the ram capacity because is a shared memory with your gpu
I try to find this application in the App Store, but I can't find it. May it be due to the fact that my computer is a Macbook Air M1, and maybe they don't give access to this application for computers that don't have a fan? (Can you answer me, please?)
I think the CPU alone does not stress it enough (at least it does not for my M2 SoC). Running full load on all GPUs might. Run e.g. a LLM like ollama generating long text in a loop, and repeated large-project compiles beside it. You might run asitop to see, how you can max out the SoC's power draw (and with it, it's heat-generation).
What I like about my gaming windows laptop is that I put the cooling system llano and the computer go down to 60C even when is doing heavy stuff. There is a way to externally cool these mac?. I'm planning to jump into mac M4 , thanks
I got an MBP M1 14” virtualizing windows trough parallels. I use for SPSS and for gaming, let me tell you, the fans are barely noticeable, I’m sure the M4 Pro 14” it’s more than capable for this task.
SPSS has native ARM support since M1 Pro. Why don't you use it? Why do you use SPSS(which version?) with Parrarels specifically? What is your Parrarels and Windows version (10/11)? I also have SPSS 23 and I plan to use it with a virtual machine like you.
lol...seems all owners of the 2019 MBP are traumatized. I certainly am. ;). I'm not going near the 14" Max MBP. Desktops (Mac mini, Mac Studio) for power tasks ... laptops for general, portable computing needs is my strategy. All in One solutions don;'t work for me. Laptops that you can't use on your lap...due to heat...no thank you.
Yeah, the goal was to get a Mac Mini M4 Pro with 48 GB memory and keep my 2019 MBP for consulting work and leisure, until it decided otherwise. I was lent a Mac Mini for 2 weeks and immediately knew I couldn't do without a proper laptop.
In my opinion this is how a fan should run, only when being stressed out. My brother has a windows laptop and the fans turn on just opening a few apps
Agreed!
The issue is mostly due to Intel CPUs. The Intel Macbooks also do that.
The CPU just generally runs hotter and the fans need to spin up more, but the M chips are more efficient (similar to the Snapdragon ones) so it stays cooler and the fans only turn on during demanding tasks.
0:52 Are you sure it's 90W? I thought the binned 12-core accepts 70W? That's actually one of the reasons why I want to buy the 12-core instead of the 14-core - to make sure the TDP is lower. Thanks for the review.
The 'issue' is that you're comparing the 14 inch chassis vs a 16 inch one
The new 16 inch running M4 Pro is much less noisy than the 14 inch according to other reviewers. The fans on the 16 inch are bigger so they are able to spin slower while providing the same level of cooling (and also take longer to come on due to the chassis allowing for better passive cooling). One reviewer found during max load the 14 inch was running around 5000 RPM but the 16 inch was only running around 3000 RPM and so was significantly quieter.
That's entirely true. I just wanted to go for the smaller size this time. My main concern was: is it noisy when I just surf the web with an external monitor? Can it screen-record without going crazy ? In both cases, it's completely silent. Even editing this video (super lightweight timeline and effects, to be fair) and rendering it was silent. I don't mind the fan noise when it's doing heavy stuff.
@@Distillated Are you enjoying the 14-inch model? I got the M1 14-inch and used it for some months, but I disliked the screen size. I increased the zoom a little bit in VSCode and found it better. I don’t know, but for most apps I used, I felt the size wasn’t always so good. Then I changed to the M1 16-inch. I enjoyed it more, with no problems with resolution; it was like it was perfect for everything. Now I’m thinking about upgrading to the M4, but I’m in doubt if I should try the 14-inch again.
I actually love small laptops. Easy to carry around or chill in the sofa with. When I work, I'm connected to an external monitor 85% of the time (I code / edit on the external monitor and use the laptop as my preview, so no big deal). For the remaining 15%, I prefer the 16-inch screen for sure but it's not my main use case so I saved a few bucks.
@Distillated thanks for your reply! I use it the other way. Like yours in the video, but I use the MacBook screen as the “main” monitor, so it is where I use to code. I use the external monitor for web and preview, that’s why I disliked the smaller screen size a bit, but I also enjoy being better for portability. I will look more into it, thanks again!
waiting for that llm video... hope you can test long task, maybe 1 hour llm tasks... or even more!
Do you have any particular model in mind?
No need to go for 1 hour - large LLMs will stress the system enough for a 650 tokens response, you can check it here: th-cam.com/video/5bNDx5XBlLY/w-d-xo.html
Got one, I don't need earphones when making full load (comparing to windows when you need them when open browser)
Great video, does anyone know what widget or application he is using to monitor the temperature and fan speed of the mac?
TG Pro. Standard app everyone uses.
Great video. I have the same machine. It's super quiet even when rendering in fcp11. Barely using CPU or performance cores. Great machine.
Rendering this video in FCP11 was surprisingly quiet indeed!
@@htnowpro 14" and which (12/16 or 14/20)?
@@CALISKAN01 12/16
In 3 years with the M1 Max, I’ve heard the fans maybe 3 times.
That's amazing. What "full on" task do you use it for?
same 14 inch?
@ 16” M1
@@Distillated Heavy Xcode / Android Studio / Dev work. But maybe that doesn’t count as heavy anymore. Same work on Intel would spin fans up every day. No video editing, 64gb ram
Video editing on the MP4 Pro is silent (HD footage and some light effects). Rendering this video was silent too. My old 2019 Intel MacBook Pro would have taken off to space...
I haven't heard the fans on my M1 Pro MacBook Pro 16-inch since I got it in 2021. In contrast, my older 2019 MacBook Pro 16-inch with the Intel i9 processor was ridiculously loud-fans would kick in even for basic tasks. It's a night-and-day difference.
Crazy how good the M1 is!
hey, would it be possible for you to do some similar fan noise and thermal test with editing use cases ? Like davinci, after effects with some heavy effects ? would love to see that type of content, Btw this particular video was very helpful, i am subbed to the channel now, thanks.
Hey, unfortunately, I only use Final Cut Pro. Editing this video was silent (1080p 30 fps timeline with 29.97 fps and 60 fps footage, some lower thirds, and callouts), with the fans spinning at around 2500 RPM. Rendering was too fast for them to noticeably rev up.
Wasn’t there a mode to throttle performance if you don’t want to get it too hot ?
I want to buy the m4 max in 14 inch but afraid to hear the fans under heavy load of music production
I guess it's best to get a 16" M4 Pro for that specific use case (less heat and bigger fans), unless you really need the smaller form factor.
@ id kinda love having the small factor but only if it isn’t noisy
@@salut9658 I have a massive PC under my desk, I dont hear the fan noise, only feel the heat on my feet if the precessor is maxed out. Laptop I use Air M2, because it's silent.
I got paranoid with fan noise from the Intel era. I record a lot with a microphone and a compressor on the vocal chain. Can't take fans anymore. The M1 Air is still fantastic. I will never buy any computer ever, that has a fan. I don't care if it almost never turns on. I want zero chance.
@ haha I feel you
Thanks for the review. Can you confirm that the MBP is generally quite as would be a fanless MacBook Air?
Doing Macbook Air level tasks will keep this thing quiet. You usually shouldn't compare between the two by noise. If you need the performance you go pro, if you dont you go air, regardless of the fan noise. They only turn on on those heavy prolonged tasks that you typically wouldnt buy a macbook air for
@nniklask Agree. I'm kind in the middle. My air is enough to me but some tasks would be better with the Pro. But on the other side I'm used to the total silence of the Air and i dont want to go back in that sense. So i's fine to me hear the fans one in a while but not as the old 2014 MacBook Pros used to do. To me the absence of noise is actually quite important.
@MartinBenesCreative it's exactly that - dead quiet most of the time (fans are off) and some mild noise when you push it
@@Distillated Thanks buddy i think ill go for the 14 inch pro than.
Very informative video, thank you for this.🙏🏻
If I may ask, is the fan noise also audible when working in final cut or lightroom?
Do you feel that in slightly more intensive tasks, that are more intensive than daily browsing etc. the fans get audible very easily and often?
Or do the fans get audible only when there is such a stress test like in benchmarks?
Editing the this video in FCP was silent (either fans off or not-audible at 2400 RPM). Even rendering the video was too fast so the fans didn't accelerate to the point I could hear them.
@ Great thank you.🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
Thanks for running the stress test which is exactly what I was looking for as I am in dilemma for choosing the right size for my soon-to-be-bought MacBook Pro M4 Pro.
I also have the same use case (i.e., running LLM locally) and I am concerned about the thermal management of 14" new MacBook Pro.
I hope that you could compare it against the new 16" version.
I have two questions, if I may:
- I am gonna get M4 Pro 14CPU/20GPU cores with 48GB RAM and 1TB SSD. Is there a specific reason for your choice of base M4 Pro with 12CPU/16GPU?
- Do you still recommend this size(14") for an AI Engineer with low to moderate ML-Ops activities?
- Money. Also, the added computing power of those 2 CPU cores (and event the 4 GPU cores) is not significant, please check one of Max Tech's latest video where he compares both models
- Both 14" and 16" are fit for the job. The question is really whether you want a bigger screen, and / or quieter fans. 48 GB RAM is the only upgrade worth getting imho.
Thanks for pointing out to his insightful comparison. Now I can understand your valid PoV.
this is a cool video. i'm looking to buy a macbook for software development bit i'm unsure what spec to get.
i want the fans to turn on as little as possible as i live in in dusty environment.
would you recommend the M4 24GB, M4 32GB, M4 Pro 12c 24GB or M4 Pro 12c 48 ram
M4 Pro 12c 24GB memory is great, 48GB if you can. The benchmarks make the M4 Pro a clear winner over the M4 - and you get 2 fans (there's only 1 in the M4 base) so better thermal maangement. And since I'm sure we'll run more and more LLMs locally, you can never have too much memory.
Nice video! im a data science student and im looking forward to migrate to mac on this laptop
Did you find 48GB RAM sufficient to run LLMs locally? Nice vid btw! Cheers!
You might want to check this one ☺️ th-cam.com/video/CDdo29LgoRk/w-d-xo.html
Super cool!
interesting tests
Does this base M4 pro model have high power mode?
Yes
so should i buy imac m4, mac mini m4, or macbook pro m4 to play some roblox, minecraft and do some video editing? - tim:)
Depends on what you want as a form factor? Performance should be the same on the same configs.
I'm wondering, I want to buy a m4 pro, and I have this question. In normal work when you do not do anything difficult (I am a designer) and if I just work in illustrator it will not make noise and heat up?
Right now I have a windows laptop and it can sometimes start to get very noisy while working.
how about your workflow? i have m1 pro with 16 gb of ram. Most of time im using Figma, Illustrator, sometimes Photoshop. Works pretty well. How about the temps? Well, most of time my fans either arent spin or spins a liitle but you havent heard any noise.
whenever your focus is the ram capacity because is a shared memory with your gpu
I never use Illustrator so hard to tell - editing and rendering this video in FCP was silent though.
I try to find this application in the App Store, but I can't find it. May it be due to the fact that my computer is a Macbook Air M1, and maybe they don't give access to this application for computers that don't have a fan? (Can you answer me, please?)
AFAIK, it's only available on their website. It's still on sale now! www.tunabellysoftware.com/tgpro/index.php?fpr=d157l
I think the CPU alone does not stress it enough (at least it does not for my M2 SoC). Running full load on all GPUs might. Run e.g. a LLM like ollama generating long text in a loop, and repeated large-project compiles beside it. You might run asitop to see, how you can max out the SoC's power draw (and with it, it's heat-generation).
You were right about running a LLM! You can hear the fans in this one: th-cam.com/video/5bNDx5XBlLY/w-d-xo.html
What I like about my gaming windows laptop is that I put the cooling system llano and the computer go down to 60C even when is doing heavy stuff. There is a way to externally cool these mac?. I'm planning to jump into mac M4 , thanks
Never looked into it but I guess it exists!
Even with max fan speed, it's still quieter than my old intel macbook pro hahahaha.
What app you use for voice dictation?
MacWhisper
Im thinking to buy 2019 for like 350-400$. Does it worth it?
So Intel generation... definite NO. Get a M1.
I want to buy same spec but for Parallels Desktop to run wındows at the same time. Do you think fan speed will disturb me? Thank You for your time.
Hard to tell how much Parallels Desktop will stress the CPU. I guess it could be noticeable, but not disturbing. Just a guess though.
@ thx
I got an MBP M1 14” virtualizing windows trough parallels.
I use for SPSS and for gaming, let me tell you, the fans are barely noticeable, I’m sure the M4 Pro 14” it’s more than capable for this task.
@ thx
SPSS has native ARM support since M1 Pro. Why don't you use it? Why do you use SPSS(which version?) with Parrarels specifically? What is your Parrarels and Windows version (10/11)? I also have SPSS 23 and I plan to use it with a virtual machine like you.
DO you think i can run LLM with the 24GB?
Definitely. llama3.2 3B will work no problem.
@ I’d love to run a bigger model, but I’m afraid to burn down my Macbook hahahahaha
Maybe not burn buuuut... there you go! th-cam.com/video/5bNDx5XBlLY/w-d-xo.html
@@Distillated just watched, my friend.
Can get the fans to run pretty good playing civ6……
I guess!
Fan is loud comes on straight away
lol...seems all owners of the 2019 MBP are traumatized. I certainly am. ;). I'm not going near the 14" Max MBP. Desktops (Mac mini, Mac Studio) for power tasks ... laptops for general, portable computing needs is my strategy. All in One solutions don;'t work for me. Laptops that you can't use on your lap...due to heat...no thank you.
Yeah, the goal was to get a Mac Mini M4 Pro with 48 GB memory and keep my 2019 MBP for consulting work and leisure, until it decided otherwise. I was lent a Mac Mini for 2 weeks and immediately knew I couldn't do without a proper laptop.
its giving windows vibe ehheheeheh