Why NATO’s Biggest Internal Problem is Turkey
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the number you used for Marmara regions gdp per capita ($72,000) was accounting for purchase power parity (ppp) whereas the number for the rest of turkey or Europe was not using ppp
marmara's actual gdp per capita is around $20,000 (2018)
also the map you used to to show turkey's nationwide gdp per capita implies this is the gdp per capita for the area except for Marmara whereas the number includes it . the actual gdp per capita for the red area displayed on the map would be around $8,000
in terms of total gdp the Marmara region makes up for around 44% of turkeys economy not 75%
holy 💩 that is so sloppy! 👎
that number did seem very strange to me. I could see it being true for a city, but not for such a big largely rural area. I didn't look it up, but I definitely would have checked that before I put it in a youtube video.
@@Ass_of_Amalek It's propaganda channel masking as an infotainment channel. It's okay.
@@ArkanceloAutore whose propaganda?
I was about to comment that as well, such a misleading and poorly researched video to a point he even fucks up easily available information like this. very disappointing. I would take every piece of data he shares with a huge grain of salt
It’s an hour long TH-cam video, give it some slack. Data is not everything, the concepts behind them and what they explain are more important.
“Turkey isn’t Pro-Western nor is it Pro-Russian. Turkey is simply Pro-Turkey.”
This quote is a short summary of the video.
As every country should in't?
So are China, Iran, and North Korea. Geopolitics in a nutshell.
A lesson for every country.
As they should lol. Why would anybody be mad at Turkey being pro-Turkey?
@@lawtraf8008 tbh? it would be USA! they hate when a country try to develop itself instead of taking care of their interests.
It is funny that nobody asked this question "What the US and the UK are doing in Cyprus, Syria, and Iraq".
Stealing ofcourse & they are knowed for doing genocide world wide. The country’s that did genocide on first place Britain France Nederland Belgium Greece İtalia Armenia etc..
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Yes, the US occupies more of Syria than does Turkiye!
cant ask :) who ask this, that day writing global news ENEMY .. GOOD JOP BAD WW Near
Everyone one asks regarding Syria and Iraq whenever talk about the Middle East is brought up mate.
So many countries have territorial ambitions based on their past greatest extent, it's interesting to see how these overlap.
This is why Eastern European geopolitics is more interesting and deeply unknown to many. For, Turkey, their ambitions date all the way back to after the Western Roman Empire and, later, the Byzantine Empire fell to the Ottomans. Antiola has always been more complex, and yet, like the Holy Roman Empire, with 3 layers of different subgroups- the French, Germans, and those in Luxemburg; Anatolia has many groups that align with either the West or the East depending on the centuries of empire.
The Russians see themselves as the successor of the Byzantine Empire (dating back to when a Russian leader married one of the Byzantine Emperor's daughters) and want to help spread their influence in Eastern Turkey, while the Greeks, alongside the Western Europeans, want to keep Turkey on their side because the last thing the Greeks want is a power-hungry Turkish state in the Aegean Sea that did control them after the Fall of Constinlople in 1453 - they did want independence from the Byzantines as well amid the raging wars by Serbia, Bulgaria, and the Persian empires on the already declining Byzantium.
@@SolidAvenger1290
Also - the population of western Anatolia was mostly Greek.
If the ottomans chose the right side in ww1 there would be no turkey, there also wouldn't be the constant issues between Isreal and Palestine and the other middle eastern nations
@@kevingeezy5176
There would be no Palestine either.
There were other issues though. For example Saudi determination to take the entire peninsula plus Shia/Sunni power struggles. The Egyptians/ Sauds went to war more than once.
Also there would have been ongoing wars for independence within the empire.
And Greeks would still be living in Anatolia and there would be more Armenians.
Turkey's problem is NATO. NATO is also undermining the Middle East through Turkey, seizing the Bosporus, forcing Turkey to accept 8 million refugees, does not want to accept refugees from the wars they have staged. It contains terrorist cells of the PKK Kurds in their countries, known for terrorist attacks in Turkey, and supplies ammunition to Kurdish terrorists. It is surprising when Turkey resists this... He will not let Turkey go peacefully, he will do a lot of shit if Turkey leaves NATO. He arranges bloody state coups. Contains radical Islamists in their countries and Gulen
Okay, okay. Real, big problem
Amazing, nicely done, thank you !!!
Ooh Socrat... Tell me what is amazing and what is nicely done please...
@@clubbinraver The breakdown of the history in general is fascinating, it explains a lot about how Turkey views the world, and why they seem to react to situations differently than what we (The West) expect them to ... Gz.
This vlog has MANY FLAWS!!!
1. Turkey is making a canal
2. Cyprus joining EU should means EU is capturing Cyprus hence Turkey is not violating EU but NATO is not pre-empting tp capture Cyprus taking help from Turkey
3. @25:25 u ur knowledge is flawed hence as this vlog is flawed at many instances.... go and study 1965 UK median-line-distance-agreement to divide north sea between it, norway, denmark, netherlands and germany
4. regarding Israel, Cyprus, Greece gas pipeline ... well business is business as per above said UK's own law Libya and Turkey has right on those waters.
5. In Greece calling France to fight along side ..Libya could join Turkey in same way
6. If Syria can loose 25% of landmass to W.Kurd or Syrian.Kurds then i think Syria could go the same path which Cyprus took and tried alliance with Greece... Whole Syria might end up what US calls "freedom"-ed by Turkey as say very-far-eastern-cyprus
Cheers from Pakistan
The side Turkey took in Libyan civil war is the one that is officially recognized by UN so the NATO members who sided with that general dictator are in the "wrong" here, this doesnt mean Turkey is acting against NATO considering almost all NATO members recognize the government Turkey supports
It's typical anti-Turkish sentiment, ridiculous.
Wasn't his mandate illegal because the governtment of Tripoli refused to do elections, hence it was UN backed up until that point?
@@billsmoke3929 Mentions Armenian genocide claims with maximum numbers. But when talking about Cyprus skips whole Bloody Christmas that happened a decade prior to the Invasion. Calls PKK a "separatist group" and not what they actually are, a terror organization that killed teachers and civilians. Killed Kurds and their families that were against an independent state or their ideologies in the region. Babies included.
Tripoli government was recognized by the UN with the order to unite the country until 2017. After 2017 , the Tripoli government kept the power without any elections, and thus the country became divided. By the way UN also says that Turkey performed genocides and also militarily occupies northern Cyprus which is an illegitimate state and also doesnt respect the worldwide treaty of the seas (UNCLOS). So quit seeking legitimacy from the UN...
@@billsmoke3929 turks aren't from turkey yet they're vehemently anti-kurdish. so cry more.
I think a video about the Balkans geography and how that influenced the history and politics of that region would be very interesting.
I'm actually working on this soon
@@RealLifeLoreI
@@RealLifeLore Wow, you actually responded. Work as long as you need to, if it's like the middle east videos where it goes deep in the history and geography of it then the wait will be worth it.
Turks indeed had a decisive role in triggering historical major events like the Migration Period, Crusades, shaping the history of Balkans, Islamization of Northern India, Age of Discovery as well as ending the Middle Ages with the conquest of Constantinople, fall of the Roman Empire.
You mean how countless invasions from every direction influenced this region? Then people say "Balkans is unstable", no, you are all unstable and bring conflict here. When you look at history, most of conflicts in the Balkans were brought by external forces.
This content is insane thanks mate
This vlog has MANY FLAWS!!!
1. Turkey is making a canal
2. Cyprus joining EU should means EU is capturing Cyprus hence Turkey is not violating EU but NATO is not pre-empting tp capture Cyprus taking help from Turkey
3. @25:25 u ur knowledge is flawed hence as this vlog is flawed at many instances.... go and study 1965 UK median-line-distance-agreement to divide north sea between it, norway, denmark, netherlands and germany
4. regarding Israel, Cyprus, Greece gas pipeline ... well business is business as per above said UK's own law Libya and Turkey has right on those waters.
5. In Greece calling France to fight along side ..Libya could join Turkey in same way
6. If Syria can loose 25% of landmass to W.Kurd or Syrian.Kurds then i think Syria could go the same path which Cyprus took and tried alliance with Greece... Whole Syria might end up what US calls "freedom"-ed by Turkey as say very-far-eastern-cyprus
Cheers from Pakistan
This channel is one of the best I've ever seen.
NATO is the terrorist who started the war
This vlog has MANY FLAWS!!!
1. Turkey is making a canal
2. Cyprus joining EU should means EU is capturing Cyprus hence Turkey is not violating EU but NATO is not pre-empting tp capture Cyprus taking help from Turkey
3. @25:25 u ur knowledge is flawed hence as this vlog is flawed at many instances.... go and study 1965 UK median-line-distance-agreement to divide north sea between it, norway, denmark, netherlands and germany
4. regarding Israel, Cyprus, Greece gas pipeline ... well business is business as per above said UK's own law Libya and Turkey has right on those waters.
5. In Greece calling France to fight along side ..Libya could join Turkey in same way
6. If Syria can loose 25% of landmass to W.Kurd or Syrian.Kurds then i think Syria could go the same path which Cyprus took and tried alliance with Greece... Whole Syria might end up what US calls "freedom"-ed by Turkey as say very-far-eastern-cyprus
Cheers from Pakistan
Technically a shitload of NATO countries (including the US) support Turkey’s side in the Libyan Civil War too.
He lost me in first minute when he said turkey cut ıraqı kurdish pipeline as if turkey is to blame. The reality the pipeline is illegal according to ıraqı constitoun and turkey get fined 1,4 billion for it. This Fine is only covering 2014 2016. .. Now ıraq goverment is Prepareing for 2016 2022 in international court as well. His entire vdieo is full of anti turkish bias as if someone hater paid him.
but it was turkish drones that stopped haftars attack
@@taurohkea2169you know haftar is a warlord who is fighting for power against the rightful Tripoli government (backed by Turkey etc.).. so yes you are right
America isn't a NATO country, we just fund them almost 100%.
@@Trump-or-DieUSA is a NATO member and 1 of the founding members btw
21:24 Turkey, Greece and UK all signed up to a treaty that agreed upon terms of a country invading Cyprus to protect it's minority if any attack towards the latter happens. You explicitly do NOT mention this.
He's a classic westoid Turkophobe, didn't mention a lot of stuff to intentionally make Turkey seem way more nefarious than it is.
Didn't the treaty also say to restore the constitutional order and not occupy land?
@@keepcalm2626well if they don't protect the minority, Then turkey doesn't have to stick to the agreement either.
He also says "Cyprus is the only occupied EU territory" but does not mention the fact that EU took Cyprus in after the reunification referendum failed by the rejection of the South. EU states that countries should not have border friction with another country yet they admissioned Cyprus effectively worsening the conflict.
@@billsmoke3929a country guilty of and in denial of having commited genocide is pretty far up there in terms of being nefarious, no?
This is amazing quality work.
Thanks to the media, people who do not know each other in the world can instantly talk to each other and exchange ideas. People cannot be deceived with lies like before.
The map you have for Sevres partition is wrong:
1) Greek invasion zone expanded far beyond what you have shown. It contained the whole western Anatolia.
2) Southern Turkey was given to Italy and France as mandates (colonies)
3) Independence and self determination was only for Christian minorities. Neither Arabs nor Kurds were given independence.
Sevres said “Kurds were not ready for self governing”. A British mandate was to be formed which may be independent in future.
Turkey offered a plebicit for Northern Iraq in Lausanne. Lord Curzon’s response was “how can Kurds decide in a plebicit, they would eat the papers”. I still have no clue how this is supposed to be funny.
Greece never invaded. Only tried to save as much greek people, as she could from wide genocide iver greek populations if the area that had started from around 1910. These genocides are well documented worldwide. Eg old focea masacre, etc etc
Italians were promised western aegean reagons that the greeks invaded. They were given southern coastal states later and they reluctantly occupied those areas.
Those same Kurds that were helping the Genocides of the Christian natives? Gee, I wonder why the Allies might be a bit leery of giving them free reign.
Ah Curzon... Polish people "love" him too.
" how did you know i was a turk?"
Tbh in Libya it was actually France and Greece that were the odd ones out, the EU (besides Greece, Cyprus and France) and Italy in particular all backed the Tripoli based government (the same one backed by Turkey) so in that case it was more those three countries disagreeing with their allies
Edit: It was/is also the government recognised by the UN
I think at this point it's pretty safe to assume whoever France is supporting in African continent is the wrong side 😂
@@justanerd414I'm afraid you're right. From France 😢
Its "almost" everytime the west forcing turkey to be agressive. The problem with greece caused by greece claiming turkish sea territories in aegean sea, the problem with armenia caused by armenia invading 1/4 of azerbaijans territories, the reason turkey bought s400 from russia is because the US refused to sell modern nato anti-air systems to turkey so they instead bought the russian equivalent. Im not saying turkey has always been a peaceful country. But in fact, the EU and NATO have not been very nice to turkey as well
@@kenka9100its easier to create a enemy instead of supporting eachother i guess. That pretty common in the west
Seeing how pretty much most of France's allies have pretty much kicked them out of Africa for charges of Neo-colonialism
I think it's good to say that the French really shouldn't be seen as the good guys here
They literally destabilize every place they enter
The best breakdown of one country i ever saw on TH-cam. Keep doing it, great job!
You know it’s almost as accurate as a wikipedia essay right?
Fact worth mentioning about the Libyan civil war is that the opposing side to Turkey is also supported by Russia. While rest of EU (minus Cyprus, France and Greece) and UK support the same side Turkey does. To say that the modern state of Libya is a mess is a serious understatement.
In 2005, the Turkish government proposed to Armenia the establishment of a Historians Commission, which was a joint effort and aimed at researching the state records of both countries, but the proposal was rejected by the then president of Armenia with the following words. It states that "the responsibility for developing bilateral relations lies with governments"; "We have no right to leave this responsibility to historians," he said. How can it be proven with anything other than historical records whether genocide took place or not?
thats right
This is very true
Armenians always fabricate history due to the fact that they almost always lose. Harsh truth
Somebody else keeps the record.
There are a few history books around the world where such information is missing.. it's weird that outsiders would have better documentation sometimes but so it is :/
I agree. It is like story book if you cant proved ur saying by facts. if you can not proof it ,It is not genocide.
Random geography is totally fine if it gives you an extremely advantageous trade chokepoint.
But it is totally unfair it makes your coastal waters a bit smaller.
No wonder these old conflicts just don't seem to end and new alliances are staying at arm's length.
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If you believe that crap I will sell you an oceanfront property in Kansas
Please make sure you doint get your "Facts" from TH-cam videos only, Specially this one. I enjoy and agree with mist of this channels Videos, This one how ever, its very cear, it has alterier motives, and is clearly been made to order by who knows, It has hardly any facts. and its made to mis inform and cause a devide. you dont have to be Turkish to see this. The Sad part is your comment proves me rght, you watched this video, and was able to take how much these 2 countries Hate eachother, which you never had these thoughts untill this video. The makers should feel ashamed.
@@Karakulak1071Better eat a kebab, little islamofascist..
I'm no fan of turkey, but the way you repeatedly stress the international support for eastern libya's general haftar, while almost entirely omitting the much greater international support (US, UN, EU except for france, greece and cyprus) for the tripoli government in order to paint a picture of turkish isolation is laughable. in the foreign involvement in libya, it's not turkey that's the odd one out, it's france, greece and cyprus (mostly france, the other two are irrelevant) who are weird for sideing with russia.
this just proved to me that this channel doesn’t know what it is talking about! Turkey is supporting the rightful people in Libya, while those countries you mentionedand try to overtrow another governemnt! l was actually shocked how this info is actually avaible to everyone but for some reason the western media keeps displaying turkey as the bad guys. and to answer the title, Turkey sacrificed alot in the Korea war (which is why NATO was actually created ), and was one of the key countries there at the time, unlike countries who joined way later. There is no NATO without Turkey.
even till this day South-Koreans see Turks as brothers because of the help Turks offered in the Korea war. Ask the Koreans.
@@ceycey2648Turkey bot detected
@@ceycey2648 quit your suscription, this guy is a facist Turks hater, a radical one, probably paid from some Lobbies.
@@davisdelp8131 Adolf Hitler Bot detected
@@ceycey2648 interesting how NATO was supposedly created because of the Korean War... a war which began on June 25th, 1950, 1 year, 1 month, and 21 days after NATO was founded on April 4th, 1949, and how "There is no NATO without Turkey", despite Turkey not even being a member of NATO until after a year into the Korean War, and that despite being the 4th-largest military contributor of the Korean War and earliest to arrive after the the UN and US, the 5,000-strong Turkish Brigade was only in 6 battles with their only major accomplishment that i could find is them being reinforcements keeping Chinese/NK troops occupied
Greece and Turkey signed a Friendship agreement in the 30s, and relations were generally friendly until the 50s. Venizelos, who was Prime Minister of Greece under the Second Republic and was instrumental in getting the Treaty of Friendship signed with Ataturk, even nominated Ataturk for the Nobel Peace Prize for his role in normalising Greek-Turkish relations and letting go of past hatreds for the sake of stability and prosperity. The municipal council of Thessaloniki, Greece's second largest city and the birthplace of Ataturk, even voted to give the ownership of Ataturk's house to the Turkish state as a museum in 1935, which you can visit today.
And after the second world war, we were fighting like babies, so the US came down here and war like, okay you two just shut up, you get a NATO membership wether you like it or not, and you better not keep up with the fight. Also, here, take some money and unite against the soviet threat.
It didn't exactly work but it kinda also did
You're not very bright, lol!
Neanderthal!
@billsmoke4919 Did turkey ever acknowledge and recognise the genocides of Armenians, Greeks, Kurds, Assyrians, the displacements, persecutions or the invasion of Cyprus and Syria yet ? I have honestly never come across a culture that's so proud of violence and harassment of other people.
Do you really want to compare war crimes committed by Turks against Greeks on the island of Cyprus alone ?? Turks killed and r@ped so many more people it's not even a debate, it never was.
EOKA b actions had nothing to do with the 1974 invasion since they did extactly what the Turkish leadership and their British partners wanted and expected them to do. Turks and British understood the geo-strategic importance of the island for a long time. Turkish settlers of Cyprus with the help of British soldiers had been smuggling weapons from Turkey through the northen Cyprus coast since the 1950s when the Greeks were too busy fighting against the British colonizers to liberate their homeland.
They did that because they had been preparing the invasion long before it happened under the guise of a "peace internention" to "protect the turkish cypriots". Turkish imperialist expantionists in bed with British colonizers employing the usual British tactic of devide and conquer to justify military action in Cyprus. As soon as the Greeks of Cyprus earn their freedom after 1959 and 98% of them chose to unify with mother Greece (being native to the island for millenia as well as being linguistically, culturaly Greek), immedietly the turkish riots of 60-64 begin with the British playing both sides as usual.
You know nothing about east mediterranean history. There is no such thing as "Greek Cypriots" and "Turkish Cypriots". There are the Greeks of Cyprus who have been living on the island for 3000 years, and then there is the turkish invaders-colonizers-settlers who captured our island in the 16th century along with the rest of the Greek territories in Asia Minor, mainland Greece and the islands of the Aegean. Turks came to the East Mediterranean as invaders from the central Asian steppe have you forgotten about that ? They are as foreign to the region as the west Europeans are in America and Australia.
Very informative comments
Your channel is awesome
Imagine if Greece and Bulgaria agreed to build a really long canal through their territories to the Black Sea...
The moderator went crazy. He keeps changing the title of the video :) On the one hand, he wants to show Turkey negatively, the other hand, he doesn't want it to seem too biased.
tough situation :)
You dont need to show turkey "negatively" Just look at the country with your eyes and you will see it in a negative way.
@@froglifes6829that's your own perspective frog.
@@cemerol No that is FACT. Turkey GDP has fallen by more than 100 billion in the last 10 years meanwhile countries like the USA have RISEN by MORE than 5 TRILLION in 10 years. Just look at Turkey and you will see nothing but negatives. I wish for them the best but that is not the current reality.
cry greek
@@froglifes6829
@@froglifes6829 That is correct. But @sivilkorsan means that the video title keeps changing it to show Turkey as the bad boy but at the same time he doesn't want to make it a less than that. It has nothing to do with Turkey's GDP or anything.
isnt it funny that nobody asked this question "What the US and the UK are doing in Cyprus, Syria, and Iraq"
These pieces of shits think whole world belongs to them and they are always right. But it is the opposite now. Whole world see how faulty and hypocritical they are and they lose power over the world day by day.
Cause, if you ask this question than you instantly become a "rogue-state". 🙂
it's funnier that you copy pasted a comment tbh
@@yassopicasso6375 (S)he is asking a meaningful question. But your response is nonsense.
All due respect, if you have nothing to say regarding the question, it is better to say nothing.
@@canerc6668 don't take offense for him, guardian, he is capable of replying to me himself
Turkey 🇹🇷 has dine way more to stop war, and negotiated more than any western country to help countries under fire (including Ukraine). As a Brit, we should look up to them taking no side, and helping more people, than we ever did
we are now keeping at least 10 million refugees in our country... trying to stop the war and clashes in ukraine and palestine. what else can we do?
EXCELLENT VIDEO... I WONDERED ABOUT THESE ISSUES...GREAT JOB !!! WELL DONE!!!
NATO is the terrorist who started the war
Please make sure you doint get your "Facts" from TH-cam videos, Specially this one. I enjoy and agree with mist of this channels Videos, This one how ever, its very cear, it has alterier motives, and is clearly been made to order by who knows, It has hardly any facts. and its made to mis inform and cause a devide. you dont have to be Turkish to see this.
It's always amazing to me that any former empire that wants to expand will always use historical claims that are the most advantageous to them, and they never acknowledge one slightly less advantageous.
Edit: For the few morons who don't get it, I'm not actually surprised about it. It's a sardonic comment. Of course, they're going to do that. It's called selfishness
Elaborate or who cares
@@HowNowBrownCow69 Is like truth or dare?
Just wait till Britain has Lelouch at the helm.
Duh.
@HowNowBrownCow69 I'll give you one example. Russia wants to gain control over Ukraine because the Russian Empire and the USSR once had control of the area. However, they ignore that Crimea was once its own nation and didn't have anything to do with Russia. Like I said, they ignore the historical claim that is disadvantageous to them.
Turkey seems to be in a prime position to stand on top of everyone around them, Turkey is quite similar to India, but I really don’t like how RealLifeLore seems to have an anti-turkish rhetoric rather than a neutral one. There are many valid explanations for its actions. Turkey is supporting the legitimate government of Libya, Terrorism from the region of Kurds in Syria and Iraq is a very real threat, plus, the invasion of border region of Syria was so that Erdogan can set up living spaces for all the refugees. I don’t mind to sound angry, but the POV seems to be one sided.
Yeah, supported by France and Greece, major nato allies my ass. Mention how the other government is supported by the US lol
They all have an agenda, but we know the truth and who we are, nothing else matters. Turks only friends are Turks 🇹🇷
Well said 👍
The only reason they have any economic and international political power is because so many things cross through their country. If they get uppity, the international community could just go around them with relative ease, crashing whatever power they had. They are super dependent on everyone around them, I wouldn't call that prime anything.
Why occupy that part of Syria then? Why not simply provide them with aid and expertise?
The reason given doesn't justify the action, it is like kidnapping a homeless person so that you can provide them with shelter, the supposed objectives doesn't justify the method.
great video thanks
Wow such a detailed comparisment im so glad i found your channel, i love it so much all this information for free.
You forgot to mention that the Muslim Brotherhood was democratically elected in Egypt, which is a first for the Muslim Brotherhood in the Middle East.
Yeah, but saying that they were democratically elected wouldn't go well with the "dictator Erdogan, bad empire Turkey" narrative. It was a democracy that wasn't given a thumbs up by the West after all, without Western acceptance no democracy can be a true democracy. They have a democracymeter that changes based on their wishes and interests.
@@pandaking6254 quit your suscription, this guy is a facist Turks hater, a radical one, probably paid from some Lobbies.
@@pandaking6254so? Sisi was democratically elected too
@@pandaking6254sure bud, you gonna defend ISIS next cause “they were democratically elected”
It’s a shithole of a country, no way the election was free or legitimate.
Sisi was elected against his opposition that was thrown in prison by the army that Sisi was apart of. Sounds very “democratic”
Really the best comparison for Turkey is France.
France has always maintained a France first policy and has no qualms about diverting from the rest of the west when interests dont fully align.
It is likewise why France and Turkey butt heads so often in the last few years. Both playing the same game but from opposing sides
so what you're saying is frexit, yes?
@semechkiforputin6920 Not neccesarily. France usually prickles more with NATO and G7 rather than picking a fight in the EU. It does diverge with the EU at times, it just doesn't broadcast it as much.
The only time I could Frexit happening is a situation where France no longer feels that it has a preeminent position in the EU alongside only Germany
France is playing really badly though. France has no actual interests in the Eastern Mediterranean yet they try to dip their toes, they have gotten their ass handed to them in Africa in the past decade and their EU policy is pathetically bad not to mention AUKUS basically told them to f**k away back to Europe in a giant insult. Sorry but France is playing the game exceptionally bad. It just a waiting game to see which African country will expel all French nationals and ban French next.
@Oldmanplum I actually think that France will become a major headache for NATO in the future, especially Germany. As Germany sees its' population gets older and declines, its' industries move overseas, its' energy resources becoming less cheap and reliable as time goes on and its' export driven economy dragged down by these factors, Germany will see itself become less capable and powerful on the European mainland. Conversely, France will grow in power because its' population will keep growing and stay comparatively younger, its' industries will largely remain on its home turf, its' energy needs being largely met at home and the French economy having more diverse form of income rather than depending too much on exports. The fact is, France has always wanted to be the great hegemon of Europe, but circumstances have stood in the way of France achieving this. With Russia eventually getting eaten away by China and Turkey caught up in plethora of messes in North Africa, the Middle East and the Balkans, Germany remains the sole remaining nearby obstacle for France to contend with. For now, France would like to preserve its' relationship with Germany because German economic and industrial power give France additional weight at the negotiation table when pushing back against others like Britain and America. When Germany's capacity drops and loses the value it has to France, the latter will begin to make certain requests that are detrimental to the former. With Germany having its' economic dynamism weakened and its' military being decidedly inferior to France's more modern and experienced military forces, the only options Germany will have are 1) give in to the French's demands and cede to their dominance or 2) refuse and resist in vain.
best comment, expert level !
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Leave everything aside, is there unrest where Turkish soldiers enter? Libya , Kıbrıs, Kosova ,Kuzey suriye, Somali, Katar ?
Turkey blocking NATO warships from entering the black sea is due to the Montreux Convention of 1936 which makes it so turkey cannot close the straits to warships of only one nationality, making it so only ships of the black sea countries's black seas fleet can enter.
Why should Turkey respect Conventions when the US doesn't care about any convention or agreement, the passage to and from the Black Sea is Turkey's country and property.
Actually Turkiye can close the Bosphorus and Dardanelles to one side and did so in the past.
For instance, in WW2 Ally ships could use the Black Sea but Axis couldn't.
cause they dont want to break out with a case of the america fuck yeah freedoms thats why@@ferry602
Turkiye can close the straits!!!!Next time learn before comment!
@@ferry602why Rome and others wanted to control that straight. Why Byzantium and now Istanbul are such mega cities.
This guy struggles to call the PKK a terrorist organisation. Would not take him seriously lmao.
Yeah keep listening to trt and whatalist to be happy
@@user-lj1lz9pp4e I never said that I am happy with the way things are here. What are you trying to say?
@@randomcrashingfacility31the Turkish army is far more of a terrorist organization than the pkk. It's also well documented that the Turkish secret service and military provided weapons, aid, and history service to ISIS fighters.
@@user-lj1lz9pp4e The country you live in probably classes the PKK as terrorists you nincompoop. lol
if PKK isnt a terrorist group then neither is ISIS or Hamas lol and we all know that they're all terrrorists. They kill innocent people and sqread violence = terrorist.@@user-lj1lz9pp4e
Another question, does the rival Gogs halfed the computer pie for the Gogs?
Omg, we were watching this & all of a sudden we saw our daughter in it!! It was a such a great surprise.
It would take another 59 minutes of video to fix all the mistakes in the video.
So do it. Checking the newest comments it seems there are as many people complaing how inaccurate this video is as people not giving any counter points.
@@bobsagetthelord6621it's because space is not enough to fix the errors in this video. I highly suggest to you to talk to a random Turk to learn the truth
@@nissangtrnismo512lol I highly recommend you talk to some dude sleeping on a bench
I don't understand how the agreement signed in 1923 affected the events in 1915 and 1917?
he is doing this on purpose bending time as to manipulate viewers into thinking that TR did those before the republic even existed. Even ww1 not over at 1917... things he say at 9:00 are clearly shows this.
exactly there are lots of straight wrong information in this video essay.
This video is anti-turkish
This video is full of factual mistakes. Let's just ignore it.
That's the beauty of the western rhetoric. Just scatter some wikipedia info around and make bullshit conclusions
Romania and Bulgaria were not in the USSR, they were aligned to the Soviet Union, but not part of it.
2:50 Antalya güzelim Konyaaltı plajı oraya gitmeyeli uzun zaman oldu
For those of you wondering, the original title was about Turkey threatening NATO dominance.
I wonder what would happen if Turkey were to put forth this statement: "The government of Turkey does not recognise the validity of international waters, nor the individualisation of national waters aside from that of the Turkish nation".
real title : NATO countries do not care about Turkey's territorial integrity
@@misc1453You mean like how they are already doing with Greece?
@misc1453 simple, they would be removed from nato and their navy sank by France and Greece since they have a defence alliance
@@bombastothunder3701 they try that in the 1919 and get their ass kicked want you try again
there are several issues with this video.
1-turkey is not in conflict with its kurdish residents. within kurdish residents today, independence is a fringe cause. most kurds just want their culture to be recognized by the state so they can live in peace and nothing else. you can check their most important political leader selahattin demirtaş if you want to see it for yourself.
2-marmara isn't the only "core region" of turkey. quite far from it, actually. turkey has made several attempts, many of which were successful, to move industry away from marmara region. moving the capitol to ankara is the biggest example to it. to write off entirety of anatolia as a buffer zone for istanbul is laughably wrong.
3-your gdp numbers are also not correct. turkish gdp is not 1 trillion, it is slightly over 800 billion. and the estimation of gdp per capita for marmara region is based on what source?
4-the reason for the aegean issue is not protection of marmara. greeks pose no threat to istanbul, it is larger in population than their country is, and thats if they could get past turkish held straits (one of them being dardanelles, a strait where allied forced infamously tried to get through in ww1 and managed to get wrecked in the process, and that was when ottoman empire was literally the sick man of europe) military and somehow managed to occupy it. the reason for aegean issue is turkey wants to have more control over natural gas deposits that are within eastern mediterannean.
5-peshmerge forces (the military arm of the northern iraq autonomous region) did not just allow turkey to do cross border raids into "fellow" pkk members just because of turkish influence. those two groups have major conflicts within one another. just because they are made of kurds does not mean they'll have common interests.
6-the map you have used to show the partition of ottoman empire with the sevres is completely wrong. italy was given southern parts of turkey and greece was given significantly more than just izmir.
7-citing turkish purchases of energy related resources as evidence to turkey not being as western as rest of nato is also one hell of a take when the same issue applies to nearly entirety of european union. when germany was making their entire economy dependant on russian gas, turkey was fighting against russian backed forces in the middle east. i dont disagree with the overall assessment, it's just that one specific point does not really serve the claim it's supposed to back up.
8-erdoğan is not a turkish nationalist. hes nothing more than a pragmatist who simply uses turkish nationalism for his own goals. he was anti-nationalist for a good part of his career, as put together in his famous quote:"we have taken turkish nationalism right under our feet" when trying to pander to a kurdish audience, who he saw great support from for a very long time.
9-in libya, greece, cyprus and france were the odd ones out. rest of the eu and un (through its recognition) has backed the same side as turkey. and i know that the channel knows this from past videos.
10-lausanne did not grant any rights to muslim minorities either. it was only for christians and jews.
while some of these mistakes are understandable, it's still disappointing to see such easy to avoid mistakes.
Okay we get it you don't like them
Thank you for listing all these. I also thought of similar things watching the video
the per capita numbers can’t be right, not even close. more like $25k per capita for the region, instead of $72k lol
You have a link or so where I can read about the points you made?
1. 😂😂😂 Demirtas brother is a member of the PKK this shows that Kurds want an independent state but they know this can only be achieved through democratic means
We stand with the oppressed against the bloody oppressors and will always the big brother in the region
What
Thank you for creating this useful and practical overview. For the uninitiated, however, it is too much information. Maybe 6 or 7 fifteen minutes videos split over different periods, would be easier to follow.
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O really dumblelore? 😂
Turks indeed had a decisive role in triggering historical major events like the Migration Period, Crusades, shaping the history of Balkans, Islamization of Northern India, Age of Discovery as well as ending the Middle Ages with the conquest of Constantinople, fall of the Roman Empire.
You forgot about THE bloody crismas whitch the greeks did on cyprus(but u didnt say it probably cuz u support the greeks)
I ain’t paying money for political videos
@@prokings5060 you forgot how to spell
the part about the Russian ships into the black sea and not allowing American is more to do with the Montreux Convention where black sea nations can have their warships enter and leave but none black sea nations can't, if i recoil that correctly. and note i know for none black sea nation there is a calibre limit for them to be classed as a proper warship.
In addition, Russian ships not based there can not enter during the war, nor can Russia's black sea fleet exit into the Mediterranean.
He’s purposely framing it that way to make Turkey look bad.
Türkiye implemented this to de-escalate the war and limiting the danger of causing WW3. Even non-Black Sea based Russian navy ships couldn't pass the straits because of the same convention. Anti-Turkish sentiments are horrible.
The entry of non-Black Sea ships is only limitable during war time. So since russia is at war with Ukraine, Turkey can choose when to block non-Black sea ships. They could allow the entire russian navy in if they so wanted.
@@michael9433 technically they arent in a war thou.
Greek and Turkish conflict goes back far more than a thousand years. More like 2500 when the first Greco-Persian war happened.
American here....From personal experience based upon fairly extensive visits to the Turkish Republic in the '80s and '90s I have issues with some of the assertions or historical opinions I heard on this episode. Having said that, I always had great respect for Turkey before the Erdogan Islamic parties coalition took power.
I am a great admirer of Kemal Ataturk for the cultural and political miracles that he and his brilliant coterie of "Young Turks performed in the wake of WWI. Phoenix-like, they transformed the shattered remnants of the decaying Ottoman Empire into a greatly Europeanized country, sympathetic to Western values and technology. They dismantled the Medieval Ottoman caliphate from Turkish society, and introduced sweeping reforms of everything from introducing republican democratic government, universal suffrage for women, and free public education, to the Romanization of the written Turkish language and mechanizing agriculture, and performed these Heraculean tasks virtually overnight!
By Western standards, Ataturk's Turkey lagged behind Western European economies moving forward from the Treaty of Lausanne in 1923, but the country was making successive strides to catch up before Erdogan began taking steps, for cynical political reasons, to destroy the gains Turkey had made as a NATO partner and even on the verge of joining the EU. There is blame on both sides for Turkey's failure to gain EU membership, but Erdogan's steps to lead Turkey back to the Dark Ages of religious extremism, extinguishing human rights, purging the military, gutting the Constitution, and adopting Sharia-like legal tyrrany no doubt played a major role.
I too was deeply skeptical of the cited figures about average per capita incomes in the Marmara region of $72,000. When people ask me, based upon my travels throughout Aegean and Anatolian Turkey, what the country is like, for many years my most (admittedly) flippant response has been that it is like an Islamic version of Mexico! However useful that comparison may or may not be, Turkey has changed dramatically if not catastrophically under Erdogan's ill conceived regime. I wish in my heart of hearts that this were not the case, but it has become self evident. The Turkish people, in my experience, are some of the warmest and most hospitable on earth. Traveling in Turkey, even deeply into its fascinating rural interior was always a pleasant if not joyful experience for a foreigner like me. Today, I would sadly not choose to visit Turkey as a tourist anymore. The changes are not in Turkey's best interests, and sad for me to see as a former Turkophile
Lol there a huge gap of over 70 years between erdogan and attaturk
@@abdullahiabdisalan1170 Yes, and for Turkey it marks the ignominious end of this wonderful culture and its improbably courageous political experiment in the midst of a Muslim tide rolling
In the opposite (wrong) direction. God remember and bless the efforts of Mustafa Kemal Ataturk to save and preserve the greatness of the Turkish Republic and its beautiful people! Iyek shamlar!
Couldn't have said it better as a Turk.
Turkeys geographic spot makes it a nation that has always been on the threshold between two sides which has influenced its culture, society, politics, language, everything. Nothing defines Turkey more than this duality, so to approach this topic of Turkey from a clearly western perspective marks a fundamental flaw here, not to mention the many maps and dates that are just flat-out wrong.
Are you saying the things mentioned are not the main motivating forces in Turkey? Or that there are more that are not discussed?
Seems like he touched on mostly all financial motivating factors, but not outside of that. Care to share any others?
Turkiye wants Peace in the middle east, pkk or isis or other terrorist organisations all funded and armed by america and european countries. They are not fighting each other, but helping the Great Middle Eastern project of the america, that to divide big countries to small and more occupable lands. Turkiye doesn't want to be Ottoman Empire, but to End this project. Turkiye doesn't want to be the puppet or helpless, adulatoring country for the west. Yes TURKIYE is on his side now and is the force to be Unchaned by his own Power from the teeth of Colonial West.
@@extragoogleaccount6061he just mentions 1 sided things mostly
@@extragoogleaccount6061
Explaining UNCLOS as if it were a final decision signed by every country, It even claims that UNCLOS determines the borders,
Türkiye is not a signatory of UNCLOS, why does he keep saying UNCLOS?
Because China, just like Greece, interprets the articles of UNCLOS according to its own interests and Again, just like Greece, it has drawn an extremely disgusting and hostile map combining the EEZ of the islands with its own maritime borders.
If Turkey just shouted this fact, neither Menendez nor Greece nor the EU would be as loud...
Also, for those who don't know, UNCLOS and all similar UN resolutions/agreements do not determine borders.
It guides those who want to set boundaries,
It does this not mathematically or scientifically, but as a legal language, that is, as a form.
UNCLOS does not say that the island where 600 people live should steal the EEZ, or economic zone, from the place where 2,000,000 people live.
Or it does not say that 40,000 times the size of the land area of 9-12 square kilometers deserves an EEZ
@@extragoogleaccount6061 you know this video has tons of lies. All NATO countries except France and Greece supported UN recognized Libya goverment . Turkey invaded Cyprus because Greeks were genociding the Turks not for stupid american idea. When Turks want to reunify the island . Greeks were the ones that decline .
Just ask any Turkish if this is true and they will laugh at you. Turkey is in deep economical crisis we cant just pop out an Ottoman Empire out of nothing.
Exactly!!
Was recently to Turkey myself, and while the people were wonderful and I very much liked a ton of it. I wasn't impressed with a lot of stuff either sadly.
@@rawka_7929 Well you should be impressed at the food prices at least. They are impressively increase %20 every month
Facts.
Nah bro dollar is 27 right now, that's a holy sign. Ima rebuild my empire now, then we shall rule the world to the end of time.
The crescent is failure predestined, losing is relative ..
They Cresent is predestined to be victorious. You can keep crying.
He is reading like a telephone book without understanding
“How DARE they have a foreign policy of their own!”
It is pretty fucking rich right? Considering that so many of NATO are in the EU and have no problem being authoritarian fascists towards those countries in the East.
Τhat is fine, let them have it. But they also have to be kicked out of NATO. They are more of a nuisance now.
Another delusional clown you thinks that Turkey should expand and create problems in the name of "autonomous foreign policy"
You're Greek, aren't you? You are truly the enemy! 😁@@dinos9607
@@scorpioraptor Above I did not speak as a Greek / enemy. I just stipulated "what it is". With NATO glasses, Turkey has turned from an invaluable ally into a nuissance. Said this, I am not a big fan of NATO. NATO showed its real face back in 1974 when it supported Turkey while undermining Greece so that Turkey could stage the invasion and illegal occupation of Cyprus
One very important catch: Turkiye did NOT go and get S400s from Russia because it just felt so. Turkey said they would like an air defense system and asked US tech (Patriots). US did not provide this (let's recall, Türkiye is a NATO member - so one might still ask 'why not?'). Well, after many iterations Türkiye said 'we will get S400s'. So its US who needed to play fair. And now Türkiye is just out of F35 even though they paid for it.
and they didn‘t get the money back, what they pay for the F35. Imagine this would be US and you do this with them and also give them not the money back. They would destroy all what they can with sanctions.
Your story is incomplete, Turkey didn’t just want to buy Patriots. Turkey wanted to get the manufacturing license for Patriots and all it’s spare parts. US refused (as one should expect). Now they foolishly bought S400s without the license. What’s the point of having Russian Air Defense Systems as a NATO member?
Why Greece using S300?@@jeune_turc9404
@@jeune_turc9404 Yes, Turkey had a reasonable justification to get the manufacturing license for Patriots from AN ALLY. one more time FROM AN ALLY. And the reason is so obvious that Turkey's sensitive geographical location which was converted into a hell by his own ALLY again. If you live in middle east you can not just leave the decisions regarding your country's defence to such ALLY. Would you ?
second question is why some members of NATO has Russian air defense systems but Turkey can not ?
third question is NATO exist to protect its members ? or to protect only USA ?
@@alperzin8981 1-So you expect a heavily industrialized military superpower to share all it’s military tech secrets to an unstable ally that plays for both sides simply because they’re both NATO members? And also because Iraq and Syria is destroyed by the US? Are we really gonna act as if Turkey’s role in destroying Syria isn’t bigger than the US? If being a NATO member is enough to share all your secrets, why don’t we help our Greek and Israeli allies manufacture our cheap Bayraktar drones?
2-Turkey set up an example for all NATO members to buy Russian Air Defense Systems. India for example is using Turkey as a justification. Turkey is the reason other NATO members are asking for more autonomy. An autonomy which will cause an intelligence leak and definitely favor Russia.
3-If you hate being a member of NATO, you can always leave and see how the other block (Russia, China, Iran) treats Turkey. If you think USA treats us badly (I partly agree) you should see what Iran, Russia and China has to offer. Turkey knows this and refuses to leave NATO while also playing for the other side. causing Turkey’s prestige to collapse entirely, assuming we still have some prestige left for our Pakistani and Somali brothers lol
A well explicated recent history of Turkey and it's interminable socio political challenges.
That nebula thing is like 50x better that youtube Love these docus
Why the name of the video was changed from “How Turkey is Rebuilding the Ottoman Empire Again ” to “Why NATO’s biggest internal threat is Turkey”?
they are synonymous with each other
To see which title attracts the most viewers, so that the video will get clicks and views
Because this video nothing more than standart westoid black propaganda material aimed towards Turkey's reputation.
anti turkish propaganda 💀
@@Nickel_Eye Im pretty sure you dont have a hatred towards Turks. 👍🏼
Pretty amazing that RLL can make all these videos without citing a single source and no one cares
His videos are consistenly filled with incorrect or incomplete information as well.
I mean the channel is literally called "Real Life Lore" it's clearly more aimed at being infotainment than matching the scholastic rigor of academic papers. If there is something you believe he got wrong in this video by all means point it out, this is an open forum.
Anything that has to do with anti turkey. Turkish and Azeri and Pakistani trolls flood the comments. Its hilarious.@@The_Mitchell
@@poppinc8145 there's a big difference between "incorrect and incomplete" vs "there are multiple answers that would be considered correct". I'm not saying all his numbers/claims are true, but a lot of people seem to fixate on things that have no clear answer, such as the GDP of areas that are hard to gauge the GDP of. Additionally, there are a lot of commenters that are blatantly lying and spamming the comment section with blatantly incorrect information to muddy the waters. The truth is likely somewhere more in the middle, where RLL occasionally gets some data slightly incorrect while the comments are also filled with shills.
This is true of most political channels. Just look at Al-Jazeera or Vice's comment sections, they're filled with shills/bots blatantly lying about stuff in the videos.
But this video does seem to be pretty poorly researched. The timeline doesn't quite make sense at times, some numbers are pretty far outside what's considered reasonable, and the editing is a bit odd at times.
it's because his word is LAW!!
10:19 it wasnt a population transfer, the ones who were transported from Greece to Turkey weren't muslims, but Albanians who lived in the "Chameria" territory, seized by Greece in 1913.
26:41 Huh??? Are you implying that Bulgaria and Romania were part of the Soviet Union?
13:12 Germany has built a vast network of inland Canals though which link all major navigable rivers. Something loaded onto a barge in Regensburg or Ingolstadt is much more likely to be hauled towards Antwerp, Rotterdam or Hamburg, changing river through those Canals.
In Lıbya, Türkiye wasn't in the odds with west(!) but France and Greece was
@42:22 Which rational person would acknowledge that a single island has a larger maritime jurisdiction than an entire country? Please examine similar island maritime boundary disputes between France and the UK, as well as the decisions made by the European Union.
Well we know what you did at 42:01 but those are some really strange borders for the european union.
The whole Marmara region GDP per capita doesn’t add up. I see many conflicting sources, even with PPP calculations, it’s not even close to 70k USD…
Liberal modernists and feminists will feign outrage, but their moral system is what creates this situation.
Liberal principles of individual choice, female empowerment, and destruction of patriarchy create a society of people who have no family to take care of them in their old age.
The liberal feminist solution to this problem is to create more welfare programs. What this means is that they want the elderly to live alone in what are essentially pods, their only human interaction being with "care" takers to check if they're still alive once a week.
Let me put it like this. The only human solution is for the elderly to be surrounded by loving family in their old age. The only way to get that is patriarchy, gender roles, and other limitations on individual freedom. But the liberal mind cannot allow any of that. So the elderly will continue to suffer and liberal feminists and modernists will continue to pretend like they care about humanity.
Cooked up statistics. Same goes for the country's GDP in purchasing power parity statistics. While inflation is still on triple digits on in the high double digits at the least, dwindling the average citizen's purchasing power, it says that it's 40+ thousand dollars. While the nominal GDP is just 15k $.
the pp for the whole of turkey is around 37k, assuming marmara region being much richer and the rest poorer, it could somehow reach 70k USD
turkish ppp is far larger than their nominal gdp, because of really high difference in cost of stuff in turkey and the rest of the world
I lived in Marmara region my whole life, I can assure you I would have noticed if we were richer than Europeans.
@@memeolski Inflation is at double digits at the least (officially), and in reality, in many goods, triple digits. The purchasing power parity of the average Turkish citizen is basically non-existent with such amounts of inflation. Who are you even mocking? Instead of believing your own government, how about you see reality, where an enormous portion of Turks cannot even buy bread daily, due to the astronomical rise in its price, among many, many other goods?
a major flaw in the video is lack of any mention of Mustafa Kemal Ataturk. For most Turks 1923 represents a clear break with the empire of the past, and rebirth in the form of a progressive nation. Domestic politics of the past decades has been a tug of war against a counter-revolutionary sentiment and guess who’s winning at the moment. To give context though, most Turks don’t aspire to another empire, but would rather prefer a sovereign, independent, self-sustaining liberal country.
Tell that to the turks.
If that was true, then they would not vote for Erdogan, because that fundamentalist is destroying all those liberties etc. - frankly he's pissing and shitting all over Ataturk's legacy like a damn vandal! That the Turks like that man is truly beyond me!
And yet time and again each aggressive action and break from Ataturk's ideals of a secular progressive Turkey is met with cheers and praise, including placing Hagia Sophia as a mosque once again, an insult to the original makers of the cathedral, Greek Orthodox, and a clear breaking from it's secular ideals as a nation.
well im turkish and just like he/she said and %90 of turkish people too we def dont want an empire or any blodshed its not gonna happen anyway lolz@@fgoogleinthea7475
@@fgoogleinthea7475 wtf does this comment even mean? im a turk and agree ?
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21:45
why does it look like marching jack sparrows
“Turkey is pro Turkey “
You’re maybe the first non-Turk to understand this
nobody gives a f@ck about simple sentences.... the reality is that Turkey is hostile towards its neighbors. Western, East, South and North...
What are we supposed to do? Accept Turkish dominance because Turkey is "pro turkey"
Turkey 💪🇹🇷full support from Pakistan 🇵🇰
This is what all aggressive nations believe in. They are pro-selfish, they invade other countries and they operate genocides without remorse !
He who stands on the fence, falls on his face.
@@cmlgr Your economy proves me right kebab boy.
Real ones remember when the title was “Why Turkey is Restoring the Ottoman Empire”
How*
And the current title was the first title, the that title but then he changed it back to the current title
I'm not turks but How on earth do you want for turkey to stand with Nato members when Nato Members Supported a military coup and a terrorist organisation doing acts against Turkey.....
Common sense seems that the NATO members lacks it !!!!
Armenians massacred the Turkish people. The Turkish people did not harm them, they exiled them (Armenians). They were allowed to return after 3 years. There are a lot of documents about the Armenian genocide, and when the necessary examination is done, you will learn that the Turks are not guilty.
Not Turkiye but Greece who don't wanted to woke up from wet byzantine dreams.
"Why Turkey is NATO's Biggest Internal Threat" is the original video title before they changed it. You know, if anyone wondered.
he didnt chage it, its still the name of the video. I think YT allows several titles now
@@robosergTV well, I can see a different title now, one that is way tamer (and it's not a good thing)
@@PLonexXx same
To be fair, they don't really address why, which is that they follow a religion which says to subjugate or kill everyone else in NATO because they don't follow it.
I mean the original is a pretty reactionary title but very weird change
To be fair I can't fault Turkey for being as opportunistic as they are, in fact I usually expect most countries to behave that way and serve their own interests. One thing that I do have some contention with tho, is the insinuation in the video that the Anatolian interior is detrimental for habitation, granted while it is quite mountainous not really to different to the US northwest & southwest in that regard, it is however perfectly habitable despite that, personally I found the area quite lush and pleasant for the most part, I mean if that wasn't the case I doubt the Hittites would have setup their capital there.
The interior of Anatolia is perfectly habitable, but incredibly rugged.
The Northwest US is a good comparison. It's a large, underdeveloped area, mainly inhabited by small towns. Most infrastructure is just a resource pipeline that crosses over the area.
They could certainly take advantage of the abundant natural resources in the interior in order build more roads, cities, and generate more traffic. But that doesn't have a significant impact on their international presence, so the incentive to do so is low.
@@EmoryIllustrated Indeed I do know there is quite a bit of metal/mineral resources in that region, many of which have been tapped into going all the way back to the Hittites, whom pulled a lot of silver out of the area and generated quite considerable wealth from it as a result and while it is indeed rugged for sure, but having seen the place with my own eyes and coming from the country (non urban areas) myself, I feel pretty confident that one could maintain a fairly substantial agricultural/livestock sector there as well with only water being the primary concern in order to maintain that.
That said tho like you correctly pointed out the main issue is the (for lack of a better term) substantial infrastructure in particular the roads, many of which are only single or double lane roads and even in some cases straight dirt roads, which suffice to say are not exactly conducive to heavy commercial traffic however, rail maybe would be a good compromise in that regard to move commodities from point A to point B and facilitate generating higher interest in the area in terms of business and population growth, needless to say there is quite a fair bit of potential there it just has to be exploited first.
Likewise you are indeed correct it would do little for them on the international stage however, I think there is a slight caveat to that if Turkey can setup a significant manufacturing base with internal resources and permeate the markets at least regionally with their consumer goods it could do much to give their pull globally a bit more weight, think like how Sweden has done in the past.
Lmao this sounds like chat gpt
while countries should be opportunistic, it doesn’t mean they should be aggressors to other countries. The way that Turkey currently operates is not at all a good regime for countries that surround it, as not only does Turkey not recognize its previous wrongdoings, it also continues to threaten peace in the places around it.
@@MazeColony Note I never said it was good or bad, merely that I could not fault them for that behavior and in all fairness most places around it are not what one could reasonable call stable either and threaten their own peace themselves, no country is perfect after all.
Turkey is not only country that claiim such International waters. USA and France also does the same in Bering strait and English channel. Make videos about things you know not you heard
tbh i'm confused y turkey even in EU
turkey should be in asia
"Recognize a genocide in retaliation" sounds like the most absurd removed-from-human-compassion, Machiavelli-like thing.
something that usa would do
Any proof of so called genocide?
USA has always used human rights as a beating stick
Did anyone expect anything else from USA geopolitical strategists?
'just be under my patronace'
The Clickbait is insane thank you for wasting my time.
not until we act and operate from our shared humanity, will we ever live in peace with each other.
Nebula needs to add comments.
I just want to point out that Dardanelia also controls the sea trade, but you only hear them as part of geography rather than an issue. I wonder why.
I would like to mention that whenever he says "PKK waging its insurgency", he means "PKK using women and children to plant bombs in populated areas of Istanbul"
So they don’t use Men for this? Weird…
@@eren3390 Naturally they do. Women and children sometimes get by seaches though since muslim officers do not like "touching" or stripping a woman/child even for security purposes. They do not have this problem with men.
@@bartudundar3193so no equality? Interesting..
Sure buddy
Yet there is no evidence for this happening, besides lying turks like you and the antikurdish media in the country spreading such conspiracies.
@reallifelore, @24:05 why did you drawed the cost line JUST for Grece advantage? did you not wanna?
why did you not learn english or even the proper names of countries before typing bullshit
i'm impressed on how all the drama in the middle east comes down to energy
Sneaky title changed from "How Turkey is rebuilding the Ottoman Empire" or something like that
this is why so many people hate media and news, bc the fake part is actually there.
😂
Good point about accuracy vs boom. The revolution in guidance system electronics probably means that nuclear weapons don't really have a good battlefield use case these days, though they're still the strategic kings for the odd great power deathmatch. It's kind of shocking how many bombs and shells we had to expend to take out a target in WWII or korea, because you just had to blanket the area and hope something hit the target randomly.
The people who are Turks today are 90% ancient Christian inhabitants of Byzantium, who forcibly changed and became Turks.
Read the American Ambassador's book (HORTON GEORGE -- the blight of asia)
US didn't sign the un maritime law either. This is such a one sided video.
I've never understood how/why Turkey is in NATO.
😂 What's the purpose of nato
To protect the planet from dictators.@@shafsteryellow
You are mixing dates, the republic was proclaimed after the events with the armenians in 1915, the turkish state had nothing to do with this as they were not even existing back then.
Edit1 : You mentioning the bessarabian gap is very impressive, it was one of the biggest battlegrounds of the russians and the ottomans
?? The Armenians did exist back then and were a massive majority inside of Van and various regions around it. Your biased.
@johh55 Yeah, the Modern State doesn't but it's still the decendants of the same people who did it, I just feel like the Government should atleast say what the Ottomans did.
The events, as in the Turkish double think, they did not happen and the armenians deserved it !
The modern federal republic of Germany is not the same state as the third reich, but they have still formally apologized for the events of the Holocaust, continue to ensure it is included in detail in the school curriculum and paid reparations. There's no reason the modern state of Turkey couldn't similarly acknowledge the Armenian genocide.
I as a German can confirm that@@RealUlrichLeland
Turkey does a lot of things that cause friction within NATO and are probably worthy of critique, but some of those points in the first couple minutes are just not good criticism. Turkey continuing to buy grain from Russia is good; it's a global commodity and reducing the supply artificially by not buying Russian grain hurts supply and drives up demand (because, you know, people gotta eat). Supporting the grain deal and refusing to buy Russian grain would be self-defeating. You need to do both. And Turkey didn't choose to enforce access restrictions to the Black Sea on NATO specifically. They invoked Montreux and had to do that or they'd also have to ignore the restrictions on Russia. If they didn't, they'd be in violation of the treaty they've chosen to uphold instead of adopting UNCLOS. Similarly, the lack of additional context on why Turkey continues to oppose Swedish membership in NATO is problematic. Sweden sells arms to Kurdish rebels, which is obviously not remotely compatible with Turkey's policies on the matter. NATO members, as a rule, do not generally sell arms to groups that oppose other NATO members.
There are much stronger points for valid criticism with regards to Turkish foreign and domestic policy than those three above.
PKK terör örgütünü Avrupa ve Amerika maddi olarak destekliyor. Silahta satıyor. Tabi sizin medyanız size bunları göstermez.
I think the Montreaux convention was a big impediment to NATO. Under the technicalities, Russia had a right to pass limited warships across the Turkish straits, while the US doesn’t. With UNCLOS, NATO could have engaged the Black Sea Fleet easily.
@@prabhatsourya3883 Turkey will continue to respect Montreaux Treaty and never ratify UNCLOS. By the way US has not ratified UNCLOS yet.
@@prabhatsourya3883 I'm not sure why you're talking about a NATO-Russia clash here. If NATO were to attack Russia in the Black Sea, Montreux wouldn't apply anymore because Turkey is now a belligerent. And if NATO were going to attack Russia without Turkey, they'd just do it by air from other NATO bases.
Montreux allowed Turkey to restrict Russia from sending ships not assigned to the Black Sea Fleet into the Black Sea. UNCLOS would have forced them to allow it.
as i recall Turkye also sells weapons to a country under embargo in " secret " . so must we kick Turkye out of the nato according Turkye's own logic ?
You missed mentioning one very important asset/liability: the Akkuyyu nuclear plant -- built, owned and operated by Russia
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Fun fact, in 2004 the same year southern part of cyprus joined EU there was a UN backed referandum on greek and turkish sides of the island asking if they wanted reunification. Turkish side supported reunification meanwhile greek side didn't wanted it. So, even the greeks in the island doesn't want to unify but they also reject that turks in the north have the right to be there or have a government.
Why would the Cypriot community accept such a one-sided solution?
@@matheosc5255it was not one sided.
@@mehmetfatihcetin5932 it is one sided. It's essentially invaders trying to unify with the ones they invaded. The Greek Cypriots would never accept such disrespect and humiliation
@@PaleBlueDottno it was UN plan
Why would greece accept a deal from colonizers trying to steal their ancestral lands?
14:00 that is mathematically impossible, for a region representing a third of the population to have an average GDP per capita of $72000 while the whole country having an average GDP per capita of $11900.
It's originally %33-35 numbers are mistaken . Greetings from that area :))
Looks like they used the PPP value for Marmara and nominal for nationwide GDP per capita (so comparing apples with oranges). GDP per capita (PPP value) for the nation as a whole is around $42K. Which makes Marmara about 2.5x as wealthy as the rest of the nation.
This is very reminiscent of Europes lessened reliance on Ottoman silk road and Mediterranean influence. I also found it interesting when the narrator stressed the part where Europe thought Turkey wasn't European enough, when I think everyone, even the Turks would come to that conclusion.
Marmara GDP per capita made me question myself that "am I a fucking rich girl?" as I live in Marmara.. I wish that were true lol