Could Russia take Ukraine's second city? Putin on the offensive • FRANCE 24 English
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- Moscow reopening a new front with the taking of villages near Kharkiv. Could fresh ammo and military hardware pledged by NATO allies arrive too late? Moscow’s spring offensive taking form as Vladimir Putin replaces defense minister Sergei Shoigu with another Kremlin loyalist… Andrei Belousov, the deputy prime minister in charge of the economy.
Why the reshuffle? In a nation that’s fully embraced the transition to a war economy, what prospects as Russia’s president embarks on a fifth term…and what prospects for an outmanned and outgunned Ukraine which for the sake of its own survival can neither afford to keep fighting nor to embrace peace on Putin’s terms.
#Ukraine #Russia #Kharkiv
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Debate??, this is just propaganda.
funny enough i also had the same feeling, trhat do these people read the comments at all. or they just think we still believe every nonsense they put out.@@Ronpaulistas
Where’s the Russian perspective? I thought this show has the word Debate in it, instead of debate just call it Echo Chamber!
It's on Telegram.
Only one side has real reporting.
Draft this woman to Ukraine military
Shut up ŘụŠŠɳaƶȋ 🤡
This is not a debate 🤷🏻♂️ a debate needs two opposing sides. And somebody who fact checks.
This was a family gathering.
It doesn't sound like a debate.
You wanted someone interrupting every sentence with “but the Ukrainian n@zis!!!!!” ??
This is insult to listen to the BS. I thought French ppl are smart.
Russia is throwing people and lives are worthless but at the same time Ukraine has ‘limited man power’ - what happen to them ?
😂😂😂😂😂 remain upright
They fled
they are not smart and have never been. they are thieves who stole from africa to survive.
They're busy vacationing in Saint Tropez.
I am an American who has been living in Russia since the end on the the USSR. This place isn’t perfect, but most of what’s said in this this report doesn’t resemble my experience at all. I suggest you come visit to see for yourself.
no
Where are the analysts from Russia?? Am sure they would love to have one in this debate.
Can you vote?
@@phil20_20 people can vote in Russia it just doesnt matter who you vote for since the stuff the ballot boxes.
@@phil20_20 You call voting for various brands of Jingoistic Plutocracy liberating?
This is one side story, it’s not debate in anyform
Listening to this lady, I think Ukraine has a serious problem
very serious problem, they are not talking of the start of the problem and so long as they fail to admit they started the provocation trhem they have no bearing.
Russian shills 👆🏻
The most corrupt country on the planet Ukraine talks about corruption in Russia 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
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That Ukrainian dude is a walking joke 😂.
I think Ukraine would get a lot more sympathy/support from western citizens if the media was more realistic about the situation on the ground. I understand they want to keep morale up but the majority of people here in the US don't see any dire need to support Ukraine because all they've been told is how weak Russia is and how Ukraine has just been crushing them. Which obviously is far from reality.
Only dumb people that do not watch international affairs
Indeed Boris
Real Americans see the dire need.
@@KentonJosephreal Americans don't care
This lady has everything figured out.
Yeah she is military genius ! She alone will lead Ukraine to victory still in 2024
She's a joke.
Opening the additional front will further spread Ukraine. It will also extend the separatist eastern corridor further north. The Russians are being methodical. West still doesn’t realise it’s fighting a war of attrition and Western money & weapons are useless without men.
Absolutely right! West should tell Zelensky to lift his Presidential decree which forbids negotiations and go to the negotiation table immediately! Peace!
Totally agree. Pity the West convinced Zelensky not to sign the peace deal in early 2022. It would have saved hundreds of thousands of Ukrainian soldiers lives, and the further territorial losses. Without fighting men Western money & weapons are useless. We in the West still don’t get it.
@@eddastrohmayer251sorry Edda I’m being censored but totally agree with you. Zelensky should have signed the peace deal in early 2022. But we (the West) convinced him not to.
Peace? Not while Russia controls land @@eddastrohmayer251
Thing is, you can't open a second front with 50k men, that's number may seem a lot, but if you compare the borderline that the Russia need to cover, it's not enough, I am not even sure the Russia can take Vovchansk with the current force they have.
Ukraine & the West to help Russia reform and change! To what, a western US loving country😂😅🤣
This is painful. Hard to imagine someone would waste their time watching this when the mappers are doing such a more detailed and fair job of analyzing the conflict.
I support Ukraine in the fight but I wish they’d cut back on having multiple Ukrainians on as experts, they’re not even close to impartial and get too emotional and defensive whenever anyone suggests Ukraine did anything wrong or didn’t make the right decision in a situation. Understandably, I’d be emotional too if my country was invaded and my people tortured and killed, but they’re not good on a panel like this. The Kharkiv guest pushing back so hard on the idea that Ukraine didn’t defend itself properly against the most recent Russian onslaught by suggesting they wouldn’t be able to make a defensive line to slow the Russians down or stop them….. maybe not, but it seems like the Russians had little trouble coming over the border recently. Compare that to the Russian defensive lines which were three layers thick and built over a long period of time with a ton of effort and energy….. it stopped the ukranian offensive, obviously solid defensive lines slow or stop an offensive. But he was so insulted at the idea the Ukrainian military may have have a fault and kept pushing back and back and back without really any strong evidence other than “I’m near the front line”
So you support murder of civilians in the Donbas since 2014?
France needs to think on how their government is going to ask for forgiveness when Russia wins the war.
Lot of Russian shills on this post
Its a three day special military action. THREE DAY, military action.
@@KentonJoseph I think that Ukrainians for several generations will regret that they did not agree to Russia’s conditions during these 3 days
@@KentonJoseph270 consecutive three day military operations lmfaoooo
Ask for forgiveness? Why are far right Russian trolls so cucked lmaooooo. Incredibly weak and fragile
Very poor analysis on the realities on the ground
Why is the headline “Putin on the offensive” lol
Is it Putin that’s fighting the war on the ground. I don’t see Ukrainians troop actions being personified with its leader Zelensky
the media make you belive every thinbg they want. they twist and turn like we dont know the truth.
Meat assault? Keep on misleading
You can tell that it's a talking point the Ukrainians have been given, and told to repeat every time a microphone is put in front of them.
Hanna is doing a lot of talking. Just talk, excuse for everything.
Peace and LOVE
Why is NATO and the US insisting on this Unnecessary War? Who in the US and NATO are benefiting from the persistence of this war! Human beings are unbelievable tbvh
RU is inside Vovchansk and about to storm Lyptsi; Lyptsi is only 33km from Kharkiv. That means in about two days, RU will be able to directly shell Kharkiv all day and night with 1M North Korean artillery shells and rockets. May as well start calling it Kharkov right now...
They've been shelling Kharkiv like that for more than two years already, wake up. And they've also claimed they could take Kyiv and the whole Ukraine in three days, soooo
North Korean? They mostly use their upgraded Soviet FABs.
@@masterlightjames950 yeah for FABs, but once they are about 25 km away its all cheap artillery and rockets, no need for a FAB.
Putin dismisses Shojgun Hatamoto in Russia army
@@TheLalangue I believe that Ukrainians for several generations will regret that they did not agree to Russia’s conditions during these 3 days
I think Russian forces will bypass harkov by pincer movement and surround harkov which will make remaining ulraine forces inside harkov to surrender without any inside city war.
Russian forces destroyed bridge west of harkov to stop shortcut route to supply ukraine forces inside harkov
Kharkiv Boris
If the Ukrainians are short of munitions, why aren’t they using what they have in defence against military positions rather than against civilian targets. Something seems wrong to me.
Because many are fixed, hidden well from sight. To move them now would needlessly endanger them, odds are they won't make it before being destroyed before becoming useful again, and it'll instantly tip off the Russians of where they're needed most when they see their movement on their 4k satellite video feeds curtsy of Mr. Musk. Hide & seek stays hide & seek. The weapons have to be moved in from other sources/countries, immediately.
Where do they get the insolence to make excuses for munitions?
It's called PR victories
There's too much conversation about equipment. Ukraine needs troops. That's thousands of young men willing to die. I for one, would not have the courage or motivation to do this if I was Ukrainian.
It's like a debate between husband and wife.
One speaks other silent while nodding 😁
Nodding whilst not listening🤣🤣🤣
Now what can we do.Let Bidden do something, With his so called superpower.
F.Y.I. Kharkiv is pronounced Har-Keev , not Kar-Keev
And definitely not Car-Key.
Where are french troops?
inside France. Where else would they be?
Hiding in trenches
Maginot line
Many of them were killed in airstrikes.
@@trevorsutherland5263 macron threatened deployment
La Russie pourrait-elle s'emparer de la deuxième ville d'Ukraine ? Sans aucun doute ! Mais la ville sera en ruine si les otano ukrainiens ne se rendent pas rapidement !
This is not a debate stop it
THIS SHOWS SOME IN UKRAINE ARE DELUTIONAL... this exagerated "optimism" gets you nowhere...
A day late and a dollar short - Ukraine and its western backers
News about Russia is winning really is music to my ears!
What a joke for a debate, its who can distort reality the most with a straight face.
That comedian Zelensky has to go
never heards that one before, yawn !
There's been complaints and an investigation launched because contractors haven't built fortifications they were supposed to for the last two years. Could be corruption, could be that the area was getting shelld.
Kharkiv fall would not matter , it has no strategic importance
that's why after two years they did not build fortifications
no good troops and no fortifications ...What could go wrong?
"Russia is suffering loses" Zelensky.
In the real world, Ukraine is retreating and losing territory
Dmytro got his hands on some of Zelensky's stash before the interview. Good for him.
Only negotiation can bring peace guys.
The first time a losser is telling the other to surrender in human history war😂😂😂
Russia lost 30'000 to take backhmut and 20'000 to take avdiivka. They are not going to take a city 15 times biugger with 50'000 troops. More like half a million.
Who thought you maths? Macron? 😅
@@HailuAT-pr7dg
Dunno Ivan
who taught you English...
This is a debate, French style!
The same on German TV ...horrible!
I heard Khakiv is too big in area for the Russians to take, even with their extra guns and large numbers of feeble troops.
Slava Ukraine
What is she talking about?
Shoigu have done good job.For him to be changed, That's not a problem.Without the number of years he served for the Russian army,Just for only the duration of the special military operations,Is a big job,More than the jobs of the past years.
French did say they're sending soldiers. What happened?
Ukraine must negociate now and cut loses! Otherwise it will be too late.
No matter the love we have for Ukraine, it is falling brothers. It cannot win this war
This lady has a serious problem!
Even after 2 years of war some of these Ukrainians have not understood where their country is heading. What a tragedy for refusing to be neutral in Russian backyard. Go to the negotiating table and save what is left of your nation. May you have the wisdom to do so!
😢After this discussion i think to have peacetalks is the only wise conclusion a man can have ...😢
Click bait! This is not a debate
When you said ammo! And sacked Shoigu MoD, immediately Prigozhin prop up on my mind.
ammo! Shoigu... Gerazimov
Not with the low number of troops assigned to the offensive they cannot! But they can draw troops away from other parts of the front lines!
That would be the number of AFU defenders, you mean.
@@ericp1139 Nope Russian defense ministy reported 50,000 troops 300 Tanks, 900 APcs taking part in the offensive. It will not be enough to capture Kharkiv but this could be a diversion!
This is worst kind of debate.
I know france 24 pro Ukraine.
But can't it at least be little realistic
They moved them to kharkov to allow the military organize a safe withdrawal with civilian shield,
The wording, the wording! It is Putin's but in Gaza not Netanyahu's and in West Africa not Macron's
Whatever she's smoking, it's strong.
Of course it can
All I'm hearing is ramble and constant Interruption by the one guy who can't shut it for a second. Apparently the word debate means something else now. I should be livid at my debate teacher from high school for making me think there are two sides of the story in a "debate."
That woman should be in the Frontline.
Whoa there's a ton of Russians in these comments🤣. People saying things like, "I'm French, and all I'm wondering is how France will apologize after Russia wins the war." Yes, surely this is believable. Russia's number one export is comments?!🤣
Russia can't take Kharkiv with 32,000 troops. They would need 300,000. Russia took massive losses on that Northern Front yesterday. Many Russians were ablaze before even crossing the border. ATACMS did a lot of the damage. Russia does not have the equipment left for another 300,000 troops. Ukraine has launched it's own offensive in the South and has taken ground, including an Island. Russia had it's largest one day loss of troops of the war yesterday, about 1,740.
Make a deal and safe Ukraine lives
Need a talk for peace ,not necessary with wasting young male Ukrainian lifes,and for the greedy US politicians and US weapons companies
I disagree Michel Bonhamon.
32 countries against Russia and still losing Russian army is the strongest army in the world
First offensive fail and now defenesive fail
I totally disagree with the Ukrainian panelists. I am absolutely sure that the Russians will definitely capture Kharkiv if they believe it will give them strategic advantage at this point. However well fortified it is, since they outnumber Ukrainians and have more ammunitions at this moment, they are shaping the battlefield and making incredible advances. Therefore, as the frontlines are crumbling continuously, they can easily encircle the well fortified Ukrainian position everywhere. Then, the Ukrainians are going to retreat as that is the only they will have. Basically, it is a war of attrition. Unless there will be a peaceful settlement, the Russians will continue their advances forward to the point they consider it necessary to create a buffer zone. May God make peace upon the volatile region! 🙏
Russian Offensive...not Putin's
Why does the west always have to announce everything they're going to do? that's why Russia is allways ready to couter everything they do.Russia never announces what they're doing;they always use the surprise factor
Psycological win is most important
Biden, why the hesitation! Where is the nato? Now from ukraine to israel. Nato! America! Where are you?
Russian side doesn’t speak so much, they show, and even all the analyst they don know what is the real intention of this offensive, they are quit clever, that is why they are winning in the battle field.
Villages cannot be seized, even though the so-called “game changers” like himars, leopards, challengers, storm shadows, Bradly, and so on are available. The current lame explanation is "delivery of ammunition." Does the ground game resemble a frog submerged in frigid water?
No the arms have arrived about a week ago. Killing your people and sending them to die, for land, is the worse war crimes. So many dying why, for a peice of their land
That lady sounds fake
She does not beleive her own BS
Natos khakhive offensive.say it proper 24.
Everything spoken here do not reflect the reality on the ground. Russia is doing its job without so much talk.
Talks is cheap , the fact is the Russian took 20 & of Ukraine territory , the woman is no military expert nor strategist .
Am here to see efforts of twisting invisible.its done.
Ridiculous!!!
Russia is taking Ukraine territories everyday?
The man from Kharkov I think he’s smoking marijuana happy man in the war 😊
You mean Ukraine second largest city? Yes they will ..
So why can't Ukraine accept the Russians proposal to saved lives and the souls of their people instead of following western world and the Americans bcos i see both Russians and Ukrainians as one people with same language, why them can't solved this problem and stopped interfering Americans and Europeans 😭 or are they doing this to reduce world population 😭
Please Ukraine tell your president to go for peace talk and not Russian defeat.....why can't you go for peace talk????
Putin says a Big Thank You to Trump and his Republican cult in the US Congress for stalling 6 months on passing the Ukrainian Aid Package, thus giving enough time to the Russians to make major advances along the entire front. Never would have happened if it was originally approved when presented.
WHY DO YOU CALL THESE A DEBATE? IS IT LACK OF UNDERSTANDING OF THE WORK DEBATE?
fake news
Total clown propaganda debate.. they not understand the world economy geopolitics and demographics
So sorry for this propaganda
Intelligent panel
Russia hopes that West, as always, will force victim to peace and territorial concessions.
@15:03 this guy is not a Slav. This entire conflict is a creation. A creation by non Slavic peoples created in order to weaken the Slavic peoples. This is so sad.
He is promoted and not demoted as the west ignorance and poor analysis always misread Russia decisions.