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I think you are a bit out of line, but not far off. I think adventure bikes are often better due to their more spacious rider triangle, longer suspension travel, and better ability to handle a wider range of roads when touring. They also crash better. I love this bike, but I'd take a GSA or Multistrada every time.
I think the RT is really good, but I also think you are a little bit smitten/honeymoon on this bike. For those needing more knee comfort the adventure bikes are hard to beat. Also, for the buzz at 85moh. In the USA going 10 over is completely reasonable (at this time) and many do this. For the people living in or going through the northern states 80 zones (SD, MT, ID, WY, UT, and NV) or living in or going through the southern 75 zones (TX, NM, AZ) these speeds would be a regular occurrence. Not to mention the 85mph toll road in TX of course, lol. Having ridden RT’s (and considering one to purchase atm) it is not a big deal. As a one bike garage these are really hard to beat (as is the GS and Super Adventures). The RT is a highly regarded all-rounder worldwide for great reasons, and is the lightest Full Touring bike at this time. I think you nailed the review overall, and really reinforces why I enjoy your point of view in general.
The RT has phenomenal history, especially in law enforcement, where many of its functions matter. Personally, I’m not deviating from my GS Adventure. Once I’m ready to stay off the backcountry and dirt, I’ll likely go for a K1600. The RT is…wait for it…too dainty for me. 😂
I call my 2019 RT my "have your cake and eat it too" bike. I can load it up for a trip to mountains, be totally comfortable on the trip. Great touring bike. When I get to the twisties, it's my sport bike. And it's my main commuter. Really, there is almost no direct competition to the RT. The last real competitor left is the Yamaha FJR1300, but it's no where near as sporty and it's not been updated in years. It's heavier and carries it's weight much higher. Still a great bike though. The other closest competitor is BMW's own K1600GT. Too heavy and carries it's weight too high for me. Something you missed. Fuel economy. I get between 46 to 47mpg in all around riding. Only the Goldwing can come close, but it has a much smaller tank. Another RT bonus you missed. Maintenance. Much easier than any competitor.
"Am I out of line calling this the best overall touring bike in the world?" Yes, you are. Depends on the type of "touring" and which brand of bike one wants to tour on. Your review was excellent. I would likely choose the RT...but there are other great options.
I agree, these videos take a huge effort to make and they are so authentically "home-made", and love his wife getting on the bikes, always hilarious during her cameos! 😊
20 years ago I was riding my Yamaha FJR with a friend who rode a 1100RT on a day when it was cold and misty wet. I've never been as cold on a motorcycle as I was on that day! During that ride my friend and I swapped bikes and I was shocked how much better the wind protection was on the RT, from head to toe. Not long after that experience I sold the FJR and bought a new 2005 RT and have been a happy RT owner since, upgrading since to a 2015 RT. Each year I do a trip with a group of 50+ riders and we do a lot of bike swapping over a 4-6 day period and I get to experience riding a wide variety of motorcycle brands - the RT IMHO is without a doubt the cream of the crop! Thanks for the great reviews Ian! Big Rock Moto is my favorite motorcycle TH-cam channel!!
Same experience for me. Dad rode one of the first RT1100’s and I rode a heli-bar modded ZX-11. Anyone that says a Jap sport tourer is on par with the RT (700 mile/day type riding) is lying to themselves.
As an owner of a '22 RT, I agree with most of what you report in your video. with only a couple Exceptions. The quick shifter works very well when used in the right way. Upshift is smooth with power rolled on (when you want to accelerate hard and shift quick). The less the power, the rougher upshifting is. Down shifting is smooth when power is roll off... when you need to engine brake or decelerating for a corner. With power rolled on, like down shifting for a pass... its pretty rough. My Galaxy 22 Phone fits fine in the right glove box, when I take the Protective case off it. A G22+, G22Ultra or a Note won't fit, but those are portable Tablets, not phone. An added feature of the right side is, it has a built in wireless charger... you don't need that USB port. The BMW riding app is a little finicky, but I find Android Auto unusable so it is the lesser of 2 evils. Besides, Android Auto doesn't record statistics from your ride, like max G's in acceleration or deceleration, or steepest lean angle, it won't allow you to watch your entire ride in playback mode, or give you Statistical Highlights or... allow you to check your fuel levels while sitting on the couch. It's more than just a map. A couple things I Don't like about my RT? You weren't going 70 [cough82cough]... you were going [63]. The speedo-meter is 10% off with Stock Tires. This seems like a serious oversight that should not exist with a bike this refined. To be fair, every car I've purchased has the same issue. Second, the first Gear is really tall and it takes practice to not stall the bike, coming off the line. I might consider installing larger tires to fix the speedometer, but it would make 1st gear worse (and might mess with the handling). So, I'll live with it. Other than that, It is the perfect Street bike for ME, and unless there is a paradigm shift in Motorcycle technology or a way to break the laws of physics... the only thing that will replace my RT... is a newer RT (if they still exist in 20 years). I Am Groot.
I ordered my 22RT with the tubular bars mounted on 38mm up&out riser by Wunderlich. On the bars i have 2 Ram mounts with My Tomtom Rider(back up/alternate Nav) and a QuadLock mount with vibration dampener for my Iphone. Also from Wunderlich are the engine and pannier protection bars with highway pegs. Option 719 rims and topbox with taillight. I trade from a 2016 Triumph Trophy se to my RT. (Triumph stopped producing the Trophy in 2017; so really no other comparible bikes other then the RT). Love my RT's handling, it's weight distribution, comfort, performance... I could go on! I am finding that I don't get much more than 10,000 Kms on the rear tires. Nav has been good(not great) Speedometer is about 5-8 Kms/hr for me( I use the Tomtom for more accurate speeds). I clutch for 1st & 2nd gear then use the quickshifter. Michael from New Brunswick, Canada
Great review Ian. There's no way I can justify putting $27k into a bike - well actually it's close to my budget for 3 bikes, dual sport, adv, tour/commute. So, yeah I spent the money, but it's 3 bikes for 3 purposes. I have the '07 RT, and am not tempted to upgrade. I love it. 82k miles. Couple significant points. It's light enough that I use it for commuting 35 miles to work almost daily. It's not a big production to back it out of the garage and run to the store. That makes a huge difference. I note that these new ones have gained a bit of weight. 2nd is the luggage. I leave the side bags on the shelf and use the 49L top case. I have my rain gear neatly folded on one side, still room for my laptop bag, backpack of gym stuff, etc. At the office, that stuff comes out and my helmet and gloves fit in. This is a big deal for daily use. The world's best bike is the one for you that fits your particular needs, and on the street, the RT is it for me. (Plus the KTM 350 EXCF and soon to be 660 Tuareg, 27k all in cuz I'm good with buying used.)
Hi, I bought the 2014 model this January. No electronic suspension - only manual, however this bike is an amazing machine. I switched from a heavy Kawasaki Vulcan Voyager that served me very well for 3 years and I made over 26K miles on this. But, RT is just something else. I bought it in January (I live in Illinois) and I started to ride it right away. To this day I already made 12K miles on this thing and every ride is an exciting joy. It's not perfect, but it is so good. The combination of comfort, power and how flickable it is in twisties brings you joy all the time.
I have to say, THIS is probably your best review so far. Not just because I agree with you on nearly every point, but because the specifics you chose to compare and contrast regarding the competition is so spot on. Absolutely the electric windscreen is better than the smaller, manual version on my GSA. Certainly EVERY bike over twenty grand should come with lighted switches, adaptive cruise control, a proper cell phone compartment, and CarPlay integration. True as well, the integrated *symmetrically* sized, central locking, side cases (due to the lower, reality-oriented exhaust pipe) are superior to my $1800 aluminum aftermarket cases I added to my R1250 GSA. On the other hand, I too would be embarrassed to be heard blasting my music through the the dashboard speakers (as my Harley-riding brothers are so want to do).Seriously boys, the WORLD has heard "Freebird" more than enough. However, as you say, compared to my GSA, the RT's legroom is noticeably cramped for my 6 foot frame. So, until BMW is ready to update the RT to the new 1300cc engine, AND take care of the issues mentioned above, I'm sticking with my bike. And one more thing--it's about time you finally gave Maggie a proper passenger seat to check out, as opposed to all the damn Dirt Bikes you forced her to suffer through in her previous videos!!! How she puts up with you I have no idea!
I live in a rural area. Fortunately it's been a couple of months since I last heard a Harley go by. It was blaring ZZ Top Sharp Dressed Man for everyone in half a mile to listen to.
It's funny to me when someone cites the "issues above" as reason to forego a particular motorcycle, especially a phenomenal one such as this. I will NEVER use CarPlay; don't need a cellphone compartment (one size never fits all); don't need lighted switches as my finger know where they are after a few rides (they are pretty though); and I absolutely despise "adaptive" cruise control which always slows me at inopportune times and has no freaking idea what close following is. Definitely a feature that should be defeatable in the menu. I'd rather they make all of those things an optional "Tech Package" for farkle fiends and let me forego the additional cost, complexity and reliability issues.
@@tibortoczauer7985 I'm forgoing the RT because I already have a bike I'm happy with, not because BMW doesn't offer lighted switch gear or Carplay--my bike doesn't have those features either. When I first read your comment, I thought you were making fun/dissing the guys who claimed those features/options were of no value--then I realized YOU were saying those features (and all the rest) are of no value to YOU! Now THAT'S funny! But not as funny as a guy who rear ends the truck in front of him because he turned of his "despicable" adaptive cruise control--that would be HYSTERICAL!
@@rayfriedman6107 um, direct quote from rayfriedman "So, until BMW is ready to update the RT to the new 1300cc engine, AND take care of the issues mentioned above, I'm sticking with my bike." Any reading of that "until" would mean that you're sticking with your bike till BMW fixes those "issues". Hysterical??? Are you medicated? Why would anyone who turns off their insipid radar cruise, rear end a truck??? That's what eyes and a brain are for. Watch the road, process the danger and act accordingly. If you need adaptive cruise to not hit the truck in front of you, you shouldn't be on the road. The reason I despise adaptive cruise control is that I do not want my ride dictated by mindless morons in cages. I get so tired of the lack of speed discipline by today's drivers. Every dummy that plays with his/her coffee, radio, phone, etc., drives erratically. The same goes for every time they go uphill or downhill. How many fools have you followed that go 20 over on downhills and 10 under on uphills? I love the fact that a motorcycle can quickly get around those morons and not be stuck behind them. Adaptive cruise lets you sit there and slow down and speed up at whatever rate someone else chooses. I don't want to be able to look around and check out the scenery while my bike is keeping me safe. I want to pay attention and RIDE. If you need adaptive cruise, you are part of the problem.
I have had 3 RTs, and they have been fantastic bikes. I probably have at least 100K miles total on them. I have never purchased one new however. I usually get one a few years old. You can find these used from really good owners, who followed the maintenance exactly as requires, with decently low miles on them.
You said it, why buy a different bike. The RT is the worlds best bike for any rider who is serious about having the best bike for long rides, of anything type of road. So some might say “well I ride in slow traffic and in town”. Ok, go buy a Vespa and be happy. Having owned over 35 motorcycles for over 40 years and have three in the garage now, i wish one of them was a 1250 RT and it’s definitely on my list to get one. I sold my 2009 R1200RT and I do miss it all the time. I will say that the big TFT display does not turn me on (Because it doesn’t do Apple CarPlay). I like the GPS unit to be separate, like a NAV V or NAV VI unit.
BMW fanboy here. I have a 2018 R1200RT with full options, and a 2015 R9T classic. I love them both. The RT of this generation is just phenomenal. Same chassis as this R1250RT, and I bought an aftermarket phone holder/wireless charger that plugs straight into the factory BMW nav prep. It allows me to use the phone for everything. It is just an awesome touring bike.
At least the running lights are not obnoxious. Running lights on late model cars and motorcycles are getting comically ridiculous looking. Two things on the tech.. one, who wants heavy speakers on the motorcycle? Not many. I've spoken to many RT owners and dealer sales people and a speaker delete is something almost universally wanted, two, c'mon BMW just give us Apple CarPlay and Android Auto. No owner wants a wonky OEM app. BTW, never have I ever actually heard the speakers of an RT playing, unlike the Harley crowd which projects their banality onto everyone around them with an audio assault of loud pipes and blasting music. Ditch the speakers, give us CarPlay/Android Auto. 100% on the controls not being back-lit, huge oversight.
I own a BMW CE 04 and the experience of having to use their custom app, which requires keeping your phone on, communicate with a phone-to-bike WiFi connection that doesn’t reliably establish, and then when it does “map mode” often refuses to start. I can’t count the number of times I’ve been effectively without navigation while I try combinations of app, bike, phone and WiFi restarting. It’s totally ridiculous and most importantly, I will absolutely not purchase a BMW motorcycle in the future as long as they keep insisting on their own UI. It’s a completely doomed waste of resources for them, outside of their expertise, and results in a miserable customer experience. Let it go BMW.
@@Winter-zv1dvDucati does the same thing. I don't understand why they spend so much money and time reinventing the wheel when they could follow Honda in using CarPlay and Android Auto. I don't need a janky manufacturer app when Google Maps already does a decent job with traffic routing. I can use a proper offroad app when I hit the dirt. As for speakers on a bike, hello hearing loss... if you have earplugs on you can't hear them.
Leave it to the Germans who thinks their tech is better than the rest of the world 😂 Totally unacceptable for a bike north of 20k! While I may agree with you the bike absolutely rocks in terms of engine, handling, looks, etc. But again that is to be accepted for a brand known more for performance above anything else. But the best long distance ST? Not for me. Give me a Yamaha FJR anyday or I'll stick to my trusty Honda VFR
Your best review I have seen so far, Ian. I own a 2022 RT in the Racing Blue color, and had it in for it’s 12000 mile maintenance last week. All valves were within specification and did not need adjusting. I ordered my bike from the factory with no radio and saved $600. The large TFT display, headlight coverage at night, easily adjustable windshield, LOUD horn, adaptive cruise control, helmet fitting panniers, and overall quality feel of the bike keep me very happy while riding it. The only negative I had was the cramped leg space. I am 5’11” with a 32” inseam. After a couple hours on the bike I needed to get off and stretch my legs. However, I purchased the Wunderlich foot peg lowering kit and installed it myself. The kit lowered the pegs only slightly, but after one long camping trip the past summer, seems to have made a difference and improved my comfort. There is hardly a day I take the bike out that I do not get a compliment on it. It was nice seeing Maggie, and please ride safe.
I own a 2014 R1200 RT, and everything you’ve said about this new bike rings absolutely true. My friends on sport bikes are amazed at how well my bike handles.
I own a 2014 RT 1st yr water cooled. 28,000 miles trouble free. I would say the ergos are the same, I put on a different screen and like it better than stock. Love this bike. Great for a cheaper alternative than new but have heard great things about the 1250 vs my 1200. Definitely want to try the new 1300 if I can get my hands on one to ride when available. Thx Ian, good review as usual.
28k in 10 years ? ..since you barely ride you are throwing your money away… coupled with the fact there is very little mechanical difference between you current bike and the 23’… the host of soon to malfunction electronic gimmicks is the only major difference…
Excellent review! Mine is a 2022 - great bike. I totally agree with your “cons”. I am 6 feet tall and recently added peg lowering and handlebar raise kits. Much more comfortable for my 65 year old body!
...the best overall touring bike in the world. That's a bold statement sir. You are nonetheless correct. My'16 R1200RT is the best mile eater I've ever owned. Combination of weight, power, handling, and comfort make it so. Not a bad bike for short trips due to the light weight. It's also my cold weather bike due to the wonderful wind protection. Someone mentioned buffeting. Maybe if you are 8' tall. I feel hardly and wind with the screen in the top position. Excellent review.
Honestly Ian, I was on the fence between the GS and RT up until I signed the papers. I left with the 2020 GSA HP. I have zero regrets but imagine I would have felt the same with the RT. Some of the colors of the new RT are awesome, especially the blue IMO. I agree so much with the non backlit switches being a problem. I have as well as many other Beemer riders complaining about this. It's not like there's only 3 or 4 switches on the bars but tons. Unacceptable especially at a price point for a premium bike. BMW wasn't listning to its base consumers. Even the release of the new GS 1300 does not come with backlit switches. (not liking the look of the 1300) another story for another day lol. This new RT is really a thing of beauty in my eyes and I might trade in the GSA and end up with an RT in my garage.
very professionally created content. I loved the term independent journalism. I just like read an article in motorcycle magazine that I had read years ago before youtube era. Thanks a lot. Keep up good work
Excellent review and my thoughts exactly on the RT. I’ve owned four of these bikes and a friend of mine who has a Goldwing is now buying the RT. He rode mine a few days ago and loves the lightness and the overall handling with the low center of gravity.
Hello from New Zealand, Thanks Ian for what I regard as some of if not the best motorcycle reviews and content on youtube.I appreciate the effort you put into your research and your down to earth, no nonsense approach to motorcycle journalism.Its really good that you include your partner Maggie in your reviews for an unbiased and genuine opinion on not just pillion accommodations but also what she actually thinks of the price and looks of the bikes you review which is actually very relevant and important to many people and potential buyers..Shes pretty cool also and a great addition to your vids.Your channel has quickly become my first port of call when I want info on a bike or just an informative and entertaining watch on one of my many youtube motorcycle binges...I watched your review of the V strom 1050 XT about 20 times and ended up buying one :) Thanks again mate and keep it up..185k subs is mega..this channel deserves a million..and when it reaches that which I have no doubt it will in time, I hope people read this comment. cheers.
I have a 2019 RT 1250, moved up from a 1200R which I'd had for seven years. I find it a luxurious ride, a proper grand tourer. I ride quite fast but never feel the need to move the settings out of "road" and "auto" (suspension adjustment). I love how precise the handling is, you can put it exactly where you want it. Performance is thrilling, the shiftcam technology was exactly what the boxer needed because it just couldn't breathe at high revs. This one happily snarls it way to the top of the rev range. Top gear acceleration from 70 mph to oblivion is amazing. I'm 6-ft with long legs and arms (34 inseam). I ride with the standard seat on the high setting. (You could have pointed out there is a low, standard and high seat available, each with two settings). This means I easily flat-foot the bike when sitting at the front or middle of the saddle, but can't quite do it when sitting at the very back of the saddle (broadest part). This is ideal for me. If you chose the high seat in the high setting I think a guy of 6ft 6ins would be comfortable. Regarding the bars, I think I have longer arms than you because I don't need to lean in at all: I sit upright. The big seat means you can shuffle forward and backwards to relieve the stresses of a long journey. The radio is fine in town, something to listen to at traffic lights, but on the open road it's irrelevant. I suspect this might be the best touring bike in the world, but can't confirm it because I haven't ridden its rivals. But I love twins and appreciate their character: people who aspire to smoothness above all else might prefer the Goldwing or K1600. But these suckers face a significant weight penalty with either!
Another great review. I find myself watching your reviews even when they're about bikes I don't really care about. That's not the case this time. The RT is a fantastic bike and I've rented a few for some multi-state trips and enjoyed them thoroughly. I have had two GTLs because I felt it was superior for smoothness, comfort and power for two-up riding with my wife, but I'll probably move to an RT next time around now that its power to weight ratio is much improved. My solo touring bike right now is a GSA, even though I don't go "offroad". I was really torn between it and the RT, but I'll give you a couple of reasons why I picked it aside from superior leg room (6' 33" inseam). That extra suspension travel makes the thing suck up every darn bump in the road, and when you're travelling a couple thousand miles, those hits add up. No other bike has ever given me such a smooth ride over bone-jarring crap roads in California or any other state. Second, even though the GSA will not keep you as protected as the RT in a frontal rain or wind assault, when you're riding through a strong sidewind, it is superior. The wind tends to blow through the GSA and not push the fairing and saddlebags like it does on the RT. (I mostly ride with a bag behind me on the passenger seat, instead of with wind-catching saddlebags). I've had more than my share of what felt like 30-40 degree pitched rides. I like that the GSA has a lot less trouble in those sidewinds. Lastly, even though I think the RT is the prettier bike, when riding solo I like to remove saddlebags to save weight and make the bike more aero. The RT looks like hell, whereas the GSA still looks... like a GSA ;) Great content; keep'em coming ;)
Dang dude...such a great review of this bike. I love my KTM in terms of it being a raw powerhouse, but I am second guessing keeping my KTM 1290 SAS for the long haul. I'm losing my faith in KTM reliability and customer service...There are so many common issues owners keep reporting, and I've experienced a couple of them early on. I don't wanna be stuck with an expensive lemon should anything major fail. BMW seems to really hold their dealerships accountable in terms of the after sale experience. KTM seems to be too busy doing lines of coke and slamming Red Bull.
I’ve had both BMWs and KTMs, and I hear you on basic reliability. But… 1. The BMWs always seem to have a few eccentricities that gradually become annoying and/or service items, and 2. BMW somehow manages to charge even more than KTM for parts and service. I still have both, but I have to admit at the end of the day I’m always happy to jump on the KTM and leave BMW eccentricity behind.
@@Theravadinbuto Thanks! I really do appreciate the insight from someone who has owned both brands. Good thing I have the entire off-season to think on this! :D
Had a pan st1100 for 3 yrs dealer finally convinced me to take a 1200rt and boy was it a ton lighter and handled so much better than the pan. I rode it London city traffic shame never toured on it (kids too young for daddy leave) It looks deceptively huge but the weight is low down . Had it for 10 yrs u r absolutely right about how capable it is
Nice review, Ian and I agree with your take on the bike. I test rode one to compare against my K1600 GTL, but it didn't fit my 6'5" 230 lb self (most of today's bikes don't, to be fair). i've had the K16 going on 5 years, the ergonomics and forward lean is close to the RT, but I still needed an aftermarket windscreen and saddle to make it fit. I get a thrill putting lots of touring miles on it and its a keeper.
I absolutely agree with you, what can I say… I owned a ‘17 1200RT and now I ride a ‘23 1250RT, my best bike ever!! Good vídeo dude! Greetings from Spain ✌️✌️✌️✌️
I've been an RT fan since 1998 and I've owned several other BMWs over the years...My 2020 RT meets all my expectations! I've got long legs, so I installed a foot peg lowering kit. My wife, 4-8" and 90 lbs is super comfy on it. In fact, she reports the RT is more comfy than the 2016 GSA, even with its custom saddle!
Great review as always! I am very happy with my 2022 RT. I have added bar risers and a foot peg lowering kit. With my seat in the high position, this bike is very comfortable. I do not feel that the peg lowering kit compromises performance on twisty roads. I will upgrade at some point if they add a bigger motor, blindspot monitoring, and Apple CarPlay.
I like setting my cruise to 90 or "so" in the desert. I don't think the manufacturer should restrict that. They don't know the circumstances in which they'll be used. Upright tourers make so much sense for the majority of riders. It's only a matter of time before they become the most popular tourers.
It's not restricted by speed, it will work all the way to 137mph. What is limited is the Active Cruise Control(distance control), it's limited to 99 because if someone pulls out in front of you over 100, it will emergency brake. Turn off the ACC and the cruise control works to its max speed.
The worst part about motorcycles is buying one and then realizing you make a poor choice. There always seems to be a motorcycle that would have “fit” you better.
@@NalinKhurbMost places either don't allow test rides or just a short one around the parking lot. There's no way to test for wind buffeting or rider ergos at highway speeds.
I've ridden a 2002 RT-P since 2006 and a 2012 GSA since 2012. With the exception of the electronic gizmos and big screen TV, my 21 years older RT has all of the same features - adjustable windshield, accessory plugs, excellent luggage, etc. I was amazed at how many features have remained constant over the years! The engine sounds are still incredibly similar! Regarding the lack of handlebar illumination, most of my RT-P riding is year-round commuting in the Seattle-area. I almost always have the handlebar covers installed. I haven't seen my switchgear in - literally - years. Add handlebar covers and you'll quickly remember where the switches are!
Great review Ian, you are certainly building an authentic and hugely valuable catalogue of videos and reviews. My two cents as an S1000XR (2016) owner who has ridden both a 2020 & 2021 RT more and more with UK Blood Bikes is, I may end up swapping mine for one of these. As you know the XR is phenomenal, but license threatening. The RTs are more comfortable, not short of power at real road speeds and handle brilliantly. Also, well built. Our Blood Bike RTs have 58k and 59k miles each, used by multiple riders and not given quite as much love as a personal bike and they’re still tight and lovely to ride. Best wishes from across the pond.
Really terrific review - Thanks! You didn't mention the shift-cam engine (maybe you did for GS review). I had an 18 RT which was last model b4 this was added. Also, a mention would be pretty good fuel economy. I ride back roads at typically no more that 60 MPH. On my 18 RT it was not uncommon to get 60MPG (verified by old-school fill up calculator math). I bought my RT from San Jose BMW and was VERY pleased with the way they treated me thru ordering, delivery & service. I moved to Idaho and the only dealership is horrible. I dreaded going in for the next major service so much I traded the bike for a Versys 1000. I'm happy with the Kawasaki but REALLY miss the BMW. Thanks again for the info on newest iteration.
...hi from Germany 👍 my 1250 RT is a fighter bomber...more than 100kg lighter than a Goldwing...243 kmh top speed on an open German highway...and curves in low mountain ranges? incredibly easy to ride, better than GS...Hard to beat! Super athletes cry! And the driver with his FJR 1300 thought he had more horsepower 🤔🤐😉 unfortunately his chassis wasn't up to par with the RT and he ended up in a wire fence! (Thank God no injuries 👍) the best thing I've ever ridden...600,000km on a motorcycle and then came the RT! I now have a second one (1200 built in 2009) for the winter. I love 🤟 this motorcycle! great tours, you are absolutely right! Biker greetings, Udo 😎🤘🫶
6' even wearing Vans. The dealership didn't have one when i test rode the '23 GSA. Love my the gsa! However, i still want to give this a fair assessment one day. Ha! Roll of the dice says I'll be riding one this time next year. My only concern is the leg room as i tend to move side to side quite often in the twisty's. Best moto vloger on the you tubes. Keep smiling!
So the price seems high unless I think about what I’ve spent on a HD touring bike. I’m not brand loyal and have been thinking about…. A couple new bikes? What!… adventure bike upgrade and road bike. Your videos are the best Ian. Keep up the good work. It sure helps us regular folks out here make our mind up. I was wondering how many bikes you have sold for all manufacturers. Ha.
I like it when you get Maggie's take on the bikes. The better-half's rating is an important metric to consider and no other reviewers that I know of offer this datum.
I love to tour. I also only tour 1 up. Except for the adjustable windscreen I will take my 2020 H2 SX SE + over that bulky heavy weight R1250RT. Why handling, wet weight, reliability, maintenance costs, better torque, more horsepower and looks. My top bike brands are still Kawasaki and Yamaha. I have great respect for the BMW bikes as well as Honda no disrespect to those guys. But if you really like to have fun on twisty roads and long strait clean line of sight speed run roads nothing beats my bike IMO. I've logged over 51 years in the saddle and I would not want any other street long tour bike. Note: I do wish I had the '22 or '23' which come with adaptive cruise control. Maybe some day.
I've had my K1600GT almost 2 years. I also tested the RT which I hadn't considered and it gave me a bit of a dilemma as the RT was that good. The wind protection, especially screen is better on the RT. Low speed handling was much better on the RT, but once rolling above around 30mph I found the GT just as flickable amazing given the bulk of the bike (note mine is a gt rather than a gtl model, the latter of which is a lot less sporty) . Gearbox also a bit slicker on the RT and the low down grunt was great. A big downer for me was leg the lack of legroom on the RT...the GT was definitely a lot better for me in that respect (I'm 6 foot). I also found the engine addictive on the K16...it sounds epic when the revs climb and is rapid in the midrange. When the weight becomes an issue, I'll probably switch to the RT which other than the legroom ticks all the boxes, but in the meantime Im well happy with my choice.
I have an RS which is in a lot of ways the same as this bike. The key point I'm making is the motor and where it puts the weight. If you had to take a mild gravel road to connect to another road. Or to make it to that camp spot you want to go to. You don't need a GS to get you there. These bikes will comfortably do 35 mph on a mild gravel road. If you have ever been on a street oriented bike on a gravel road, you will understand what I'm saying. They are very sketchy. The boxer motor, and where it puts the weight. Makes these bike extremely versatile.
A competitor not sold in the USA is the Honda NT1100. I have one and the possibility of DCT makes it quite compelling. An offshoot of the venerable Africa Twin. Highly capable platform if a bit underpowered. I wonder why Honda does not include the NT1100 in their USA portfolio. It nicely fills a gap below the tour oriented Goldwing. The NT1100 is exceptional but as with every bike it has compromises. But at about half the price of the R1250RT it certainly is good value.
One correction Ian - the riding mode selections are not customisable as they are on the GS/A. Unfortunate as you have to toggle through all four even if you use only two. BTW shame you can’t toggle damping via a switch as per GS/A as that button is replaced by the electric windscreen button (you can however in software via the menus). Also note the RT is in fact lighter than the GSA if you remove the panniers which are devoid on the GSA ex factory. For me the RT remains the most complete do-it-all motorcycle on the market with little or no compromise other than off-road use. It’s a masterpiece of engineering reflecting decades of fine tuning. The evolution will continue. Super review as always. Best. G.
I recently added the radio to my '22 R1250RT (wasn't avail. when Berlin built my bike) I like playing the radio through the speakers while at a rest stops/washing the bike/etc. and through the helment while moving. This bike was a major performance upgrade from my '06 R1200RT. I won't split lanes while the side cases are mounted.
Hello Ian - greetings from Finland! Thank you for very interesting reviews. We used to have a K1600 but changed it into Goldwing. Reason was pillion experience/wind buffeting (and engine over heating in traffic). After 12000 km experience last summer with new Goldwing In highway speeds - it is superior. In our experience BMW wind buffeting is ok with driver but it is not acceptable with pillion (170cm) in highway. It is better if you lower the windshield but driver looses wind protection. In my opinion BMWs are driver's bikes. For a traveling couple, Goldwing is our choice.
I have r 1250rt from 2023 oleeady for almost 40k kilometers. I can write a big list of things that i think you shouldn't get with this expensive bike. But about lightened buttons on left and right controls. After riding goldwing with all lightened buttons i appreciate no lights on my rt. Especially while riding at night. I drive allot at nights for my work so i know what i am talking about. But in this pricetag you should get option where you can choose yourself to light this buttons!
Your review is spot on. I own this same motorcycle and agree with you that this is a great touring motorcycle. Addition of a top case would enhance passenger comfort. NOTE: I think police versions have narrower side bags.
I own this, the latest RT, and agree with everything you say. The backlights dont bother me as I very rarely ride in the dark and when I do I can remember where the relavant buttons are as this is my only bike. Regarding the buzz, I came to this bike to escape the 4-cylinder buzz of my previous Ninja which actually caused nerve damage in both my hands and right foot, I'm not noticing the same high frequency buzz on this bike, its also less weighted on the wrists which helps, if there is resonant buzz at a point in the rev range it is so narrow a band that it can be dropped below or ridden above. It may be less noticable than the GS due to the GS's tubular bars rather than the rigid formed aluminium bars of the RT you tested, but tubular bars are an option on the RT either at point of order, or as some do via DIY conversion using a GS top yoke and aftermarket bars (32mm clamp diameter I believe). The factory bar ends are rubbish too, and I have swapped mine for those that were on my NINJA, as they are designed to isolate any vibes through rubber coupling, rather than just change resonant frequency via added weight to the bar system. Great review, thanks.
@@JBK647 For best results, the weight at the end of the bar should be "floating", kinda like a shake weight. The Kawasaki bar ends do this. Vibration is transmitted into the bar end weight, which is able to move/vibrate on its axis (the bolt) buffered by rubber. At rev points where increased vibration can be felt, there's greater vibration in the bar end than in the grips. I guess the vibrational energy is dissipated into the bar ends where a smaller free mass is moved more at the benefit of reducing vibrational energy where our hands hold. Check out the Kawaski Ninja 1000sx bar ends, they wobble and work better than the BMW ones which are rigid and fixed.
@oclv110sl Which bar ends do you use? I have the HVMP bar end but they are not rubber mounted. I’ve heard that rubber mounted are best, but would like to know which will fit on the RT. Many thanks!
@@rlobosco1 I use the Kawasaki OEM ones which I swapped off my Ninja before trading it in. I'm also about to do a tubular bar conversion for increased comfort and bar choice.
Hey Ian, great review and to the point. I was thinking of a GSA but now I am more likely to go for the RT, I am a 90% touring and 10% off road. I think I am going with the RT instead of the GSA... Thanks for detail review.
I’d take an RT any-day over a GS if you don’t do any off road riding. If you want something smaller and less expensive, something like a Tiger 900 GT is a great choice. Plenty of adventure “like” bikes on the market that fill the lighter sport touring market now.
I don't know, the RT won't be able to handle any gravel at all whereas the smaller or larger GS models will. If you need to ride through gravel or dirt roads to get to a cabin or campsite, the RT could be a bit of a pig to handle.
I bought this exact motorcycle one month ago. Didn't see any of your reviews before hand. After one thousand miles I can agree with a couple of your issues. The navigation system is clunky. However, it has a ton of potential. Hopefully BMW will continue to work on this. I think they will. The back lit switch issue for me is a non issue. I have motorcycles with it and without and I have never even thought about it. Once you brought it to my attention I realized it's all muscle memory. Besides, how much are you really going to be fussing with switches other than turn in the real world. However for 27 grand I have to agree that BMW really missed the mark from a pure appearance point. It is a joy to ride. I have owned quite a few different large motorcycles including a BMW K bike. The weight for me was a huge consideration and a huge reason why I chose the RT. I would recommend it over all the K bikes and Goldwing having been there done that.
RT models have been a great looking bikes for several years. But, Germany is living on past reputation in regards to quality. " Complexity is the enemy of reliability " applies to BMW also. I will keep my old Honda Sport Touring, cuz any repairs are cheap , few, and far between.
Great review! Now im deciding whether or not to trade in my 20 1250GS for 24 1250RT. I dont feel the front end w GS. But i took a ride on 1250 RT today and fell in love w the front end feel.
Very nice review. A few points/additions. - You can get tubular bars as an option if you want to mount your phone or whatever. I think Wunderlich makes adapters for the cast bars that give you a mount point as another solution. - I have a 2020 R1250RS which I think has the same gearing as the RT. I've ridden a GS and the quick shifter is smoother on my RS. So maybe the final drive ratio has an effect. - The price is high but it's usually possible to find year old BMWs for 15% off new prices and little miles. You can then buy the BMW extended warranty which adds 4 years to the regular factory warranty and still save money.
I have one of these. I’ve done two 3000 mile tours of Italy and Croatia. Brilliant bike. Biggest flaw for tall people like me (6’3”) is the bent leg seating position. It’s a little tiring and it puts your head almost above the full up position of the screen. I rode the GS (standard not the Adventure) and I was blown away by how much lighter it feels- especially the new 1300GS which is even lighter. Oh BTW, the Garmin sat as is shite. Slow and unintuitive.
As someone with a thrice fractured tailbone...the RT is the most upright I can spend hours doing. R1250RS is the one I would consider...similar price, slightly less integration, less weight, more sporting when you get off the superslab.
I own a 2018 1200RT (old fashioned clocks thank goodness) and I love it for most of the reasons generally given in the comments below. Here in the UK we don't in the Summer get many days over +25C (77F), but in those few cases it can be a little stifling under 50 mph. Just to correct one comment, the right-hand cubby box (small phones only accepted!) is fan cooled and not air-conditioned.
I have a '23RT and I do love my bike and have owned several BMWs. BUT, here's my list. The seat is uncomfortable after an hour or so. A gel pad didn't help so a Russel day long is on order. The Tech sucks except for the adaptive cruise which works well. The charge cradle basically won't charge iPhones (yes I've tried positioning, cover on/off etc and the cradle got replaced under warranty and still doesn't work.). The integrated NAV is not great as has been talked about below. The radio antenna cuts out all the time especially with satellite radio. My 2015RT didn't have these issues except for the seat. I lost my R1250RS in a crash last year and replaced it with my '23RT but I kind of wish I'd gotten a "21 to have my old RT features with the newer engine.
Hello Ian. Love your reviews if not most of the bike. I own a HD Street glide Special and really love the bike. You have Your review has convinced me to take a look. Thanks for a detailed review.
I found my 2008 to be more comfortable than my 2022. The newer one felt more crammed to me, ergonomically. I also think that there is way too much wind protection on the newer models. Great in the rain, but stifling in the summer months. The 1250 engine was very nice though.
Ian, that was an absolutely stellar review!! If I were single, based on this alone, I'd buy this machine. I'd need to research the pillion options for it ,so my wife would feel comfortable & secure on the back though, before I could convince her to tour on it with me. She wants something like the Gold Wing options of that "easy chair" setup. Also, I don't need or want a lot of the electronic "nice" stuff, with the exception of the adaptive cruise-that's really something! Very impressed!!!
Amazing (actually the best out there!) review Ian! I bought a 2023 triple black today. I have ordered a new 1300GS trophy already... Came to the dealer to look at a new 1300gs. It (the new gs) is an ugly bike. The real reason why I switched to the RT: weather protection and most important: here in Europe (Austria) every second bike is a GS, it is just not funny! Love to get the RT next week. Ride save!
I can't wait to see the "NEW" R1300RT, I say this based on the changes of the new R1300GS with its transmission "apparently" now below its motor, and 20/ 25 LB's lighter (and hopefully a smoother/ better quick shifter?!?). However, the current R1250RT is still GREAT, and IMO king of the road of the Sport "Touring" class.
Had two GS and a GSA. My 2023 RT handles way better on the road. Goes into the corner quicker, better road feel, and I just feel much more confident on it. I wasn't sure about the leg angle but I don't notice it while riding.
I have been riding for over 45 years owned goldwing k1600gtle r1200rt HD vrod ultra limited and a few sport bikes . In my opinion the rt does everything well .goldwing k1600gtl and the HD are a little big for city riding . I'm now 60 and ride the ultra limited now I have no need for speed just want a good touring bike to have fun with .ride safe
You'll get no arguments from me. I have a 2013 R1200RT and it is by far the best touring bike I've ever owned. I've done significant touring on a 1983 R80RT, a 1993 GL1500, a 1998 ST1100, 2009 Ultra Classic. All of these were great bikes in their own right. I rode the ST1100 the longest at 10 years. Still, my R1200RT is by far the best, especially in terms of weather protection. It's the first bike I've owned that routinely offers a totally still environment behind the fairing. I always had to deal with helmet buffeting on the other bikes even after experimenting with multiple windshield options. I'd love to up grade to the R1250RT if I could afford it but that's a ways down the road if it happens at all. Still, my 1200RT is running just fine and I'd be ok sticking with it for the balance of my riding days. i do have one question though. You mentioned not really liking the radio speakers in the fairing. I would tend to agree with that. Question: can you disable the fairing speakers, or do they turn off when you're using the bluetooth helmet headsets? Thanks, and great review!
More than the GS, I think the RT will really benefit from the 1300 updates. In particular the modern length swingarm. Add in the relocated transmission, evolved Telelever suspension and the handling benefits on this bike should be obvious.
Test drove a brand new one for over an hour a couple of weeks ago; didn’t like it at all. In Comfort it was way to soft, bounced up and down mid corner. In Dynamic it was to harsh. Windscreen buffeted like crazy in every position. Throttle response in Low speed was to on/off for my taste. Not worth the 32K imho.
You need to spend some time on the new Goldwing, I’ve owned an Ultra Classic, K1600, concours 14 and the wing is head and shoulders above them. You don’t feel the weight it’s confidence inspiring with its handling and smoothness. I think the RT is also a phenomenal bike I’ve almost bought one twice now. However the motor just doesn’t do it for me. It’s capable but not wow and I don’t need the vibration.
In regards to the lack of lighted controls, many of the adjustable features shouldn't be adjusted while riding (day or night) save the windshield, cruise, hazards and kill switch in my humble opinion.
I don’t know man I think a Goldwing runs like a sewing machine. It would stomp that thing into the dirt. All with an engine that you don’t even know is running.
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I think you are a bit out of line, but not far off. I think adventure bikes are often better due to their more spacious rider triangle, longer suspension travel, and better ability to handle a wider range of roads when touring. They also crash better. I love this bike, but I'd take a GSA or Multistrada every time.
I think the RT is really good, but I also think you are a little bit smitten/honeymoon on this bike. For those needing more knee comfort the adventure bikes are hard to beat. Also, for the buzz at 85moh. In the USA going 10 over is completely reasonable (at this time) and many do this. For the people living in or going through the northern states 80 zones (SD, MT, ID, WY, UT, and NV) or living in or going through the southern 75 zones (TX, NM, AZ) these speeds would be a regular occurrence. Not to mention the 85mph toll road in TX of course, lol. Having ridden RT’s (and considering one to purchase atm) it is not a big deal. As a one bike garage these are really hard to beat (as is the GS and Super Adventures). The RT is a highly regarded all-rounder worldwide for great reasons, and is the lightest Full Touring bike at this time. I think you nailed the review overall, and really reinforces why I enjoy your point of view in general.
The RT has phenomenal history, especially in law enforcement, where many of its functions matter. Personally, I’m not deviating from my GS Adventure. Once I’m ready to stay off the backcountry and dirt, I’ll likely go for a K1600. The RT is…wait for it…too dainty for me. 😂
I call my 2019 RT my "have your cake and eat it too" bike. I can load it up for a trip to mountains, be totally comfortable on the trip. Great touring bike. When I get to the twisties, it's my sport bike. And it's my main commuter. Really, there is almost no direct competition to the RT. The last real competitor left is the Yamaha FJR1300, but it's no where near as sporty and it's not been updated in years. It's heavier and carries it's weight much higher. Still a great bike though. The other closest competitor is BMW's own K1600GT. Too heavy and carries it's weight too high for me. Something you missed. Fuel economy. I get between 46 to 47mpg in all around riding. Only the Goldwing can come close, but it has a much smaller tank. Another RT bonus you missed. Maintenance. Much easier than any competitor.
"Am I out of line calling this the best overall touring bike in the world?" Yes, you are. Depends on the type of "touring" and which brand of bike one wants to tour on.
Your review was excellent. I would likely choose the RT...but there are other great options.
People are sleeping on this channel. You deserve so many more subscribers. Best reviews on the internet
I agree, these videos take a huge effort to make and they are so authentically "home-made", and love his wife getting on the bikes, always hilarious during her cameos! 😊
Bring on that R1300RT!
Most important part: you look like a police officer and people will typically slow down or move over 👌
true!
20 years ago I was riding my Yamaha FJR with a friend who rode a 1100RT on a day when it was cold and misty wet. I've never been as cold on a motorcycle as I was on that day! During that ride my friend and I swapped bikes and I was shocked how much better the wind protection was on the RT, from head to toe. Not long after that experience I sold the FJR and bought a new 2005 RT and have been a happy RT owner since, upgrading since to a 2015 RT. Each year I do a trip with a group of 50+ riders and we do a lot of bike swapping over a 4-6 day period and I get to experience riding a wide variety of motorcycle brands - the RT IMHO is without a doubt the cream of the crop! Thanks for the great reviews Ian! Big Rock Moto is my favorite motorcycle TH-cam channel!!
Same experience for me. Dad rode one of the first RT1100’s and I rode a heli-bar modded ZX-11. Anyone that says a Jap sport tourer is on par with the RT (700 mile/day type riding) is lying to themselves.
As an owner of a '22 RT, I agree with most of what you report in your video. with only a couple Exceptions.
The quick shifter works very well when used in the right way. Upshift is smooth with power rolled on (when you want to accelerate hard and shift quick). The less the power, the rougher upshifting is. Down shifting is smooth when power is roll off... when you need to engine brake or decelerating for a corner. With power rolled on, like down shifting for a pass... its pretty rough.
My Galaxy 22 Phone fits fine in the right glove box, when I take the Protective case off it. A G22+, G22Ultra or a Note won't fit, but those are portable Tablets, not phone. An added feature of the right side is, it has a built in wireless charger... you don't need that USB port.
The BMW riding app is a little finicky, but I find Android Auto unusable so it is the lesser of 2 evils. Besides, Android Auto doesn't record statistics from your ride, like max G's in acceleration or deceleration, or steepest lean angle, it won't allow you to watch your entire ride in playback mode, or give you Statistical Highlights or... allow you to check your fuel levels while sitting on the couch. It's more than just a map.
A couple things I Don't like about my RT? You weren't going 70 [cough82cough]... you were going [63]. The speedo-meter is 10% off with Stock Tires. This seems like a serious oversight that should not exist with a bike this refined. To be fair, every car I've purchased has the same issue.
Second, the first Gear is really tall and it takes practice to not stall the bike, coming off the line.
I might consider installing larger tires to fix the speedometer, but it would make 1st gear worse (and might mess with the handling). So, I'll live with it.
Other than that, It is the perfect Street bike for ME, and unless there is a paradigm shift in Motorcycle technology or a way to break the laws of physics... the only thing that will replace my RT... is a newer RT (if they still exist in 20 years).
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I ordered my 22RT with the tubular bars mounted on 38mm up&out riser by Wunderlich. On the bars i have 2 Ram mounts with My Tomtom Rider(back up/alternate Nav) and a QuadLock mount with vibration dampener for my Iphone. Also from Wunderlich are the engine and pannier protection bars with highway pegs. Option 719 rims and topbox with taillight.
I trade from a 2016 Triumph Trophy se to my RT. (Triumph stopped producing the Trophy in 2017; so really no other comparible bikes other then the RT).
Love my RT's handling, it's weight distribution, comfort, performance... I could go on!
I am finding that I don't get much more than 10,000 Kms on the rear tires. Nav has been good(not great)
Speedometer is about 5-8 Kms/hr for me( I use the Tomtom for more accurate speeds).
I clutch for 1st & 2nd gear then use the quickshifter.
Michael from New Brunswick, Canada
I have a loan rt for a week my g22+if taken out of case fits in the right locker
Great review Ian. There's no way I can justify putting $27k into a bike - well actually it's close to my budget for 3 bikes, dual sport, adv, tour/commute. So, yeah I spent the money, but it's 3 bikes for 3 purposes. I have the '07 RT, and am not tempted to upgrade. I love it. 82k miles. Couple significant points. It's light enough that I use it for commuting 35 miles to work almost daily. It's not a big production to back it out of the garage and run to the store. That makes a huge difference. I note that these new ones have gained a bit of weight. 2nd is the luggage. I leave the side bags on the shelf and use the 49L top case. I have my rain gear neatly folded on one side, still room for my laptop bag, backpack of gym stuff, etc. At the office, that stuff comes out and my helmet and gloves fit in. This is a big deal for daily use. The world's best bike is the one for you that fits your particular needs, and on the street, the RT is it for me. (Plus the KTM 350 EXCF and soon to be 660 Tuareg, 27k all in cuz I'm good with buying used.)
Hi, I bought the 2014 model this January. No electronic suspension - only manual, however this bike is an amazing machine. I switched from a heavy Kawasaki Vulcan Voyager that served me very well for 3 years and I made over 26K miles on this. But, RT is just something else. I bought it in January (I live in Illinois) and I started to ride it right away. To this day I already made 12K miles on this thing and every ride is an exciting joy. It's not perfect, but it is so good. The combination of comfort, power and how flickable it is in twisties brings you joy all the time.
I have to say, THIS is probably your best review so far. Not just because I agree with you on nearly every point, but because the specifics you chose to compare and contrast regarding the competition is so spot on. Absolutely the electric windscreen is better than the smaller, manual version on my GSA. Certainly EVERY bike over twenty grand should come with lighted switches, adaptive cruise control, a proper cell phone compartment, and CarPlay integration. True as well, the integrated *symmetrically* sized, central locking, side cases (due to the lower, reality-oriented exhaust pipe) are superior to my $1800 aluminum aftermarket cases I added to my R1250 GSA. On the other hand, I too would be embarrassed to be heard blasting my music through the the dashboard speakers (as my Harley-riding brothers are so want to do).Seriously boys, the WORLD has heard "Freebird" more than enough. However, as you say, compared to my GSA, the RT's legroom is noticeably cramped for my 6 foot frame. So, until BMW is ready to update the RT to the new 1300cc engine, AND take care of the issues mentioned above, I'm sticking with my bike. And one more thing--it's about time you finally gave Maggie a proper passenger seat to check out, as opposed to all the damn Dirt Bikes you forced her to suffer through in her previous videos!!! How she puts up with you I have no idea!
I live in a rural area. Fortunately it's been a couple of months since I last heard a Harley go by. It was blaring ZZ Top Sharp Dressed Man for everyone in half a mile to listen to.
It's funny to me when someone cites the "issues above" as reason to forego a particular motorcycle, especially a phenomenal one such as this. I will NEVER use CarPlay; don't need a cellphone compartment (one size never fits all); don't need lighted switches as my finger know where they are after a few rides (they are pretty though); and I absolutely despise "adaptive" cruise control which always slows me at inopportune times and has no freaking idea what close following is. Definitely a feature that should be defeatable in the menu. I'd rather they make all of those things an optional "Tech Package" for farkle fiends and let me forego the additional cost, complexity and reliability issues.
@@tibortoczauer7985 I'm forgoing the RT because I already have a bike I'm happy with, not because BMW doesn't offer lighted switch gear or Carplay--my bike doesn't have those features either. When I first read your comment, I thought you were making fun/dissing the guys who claimed those features/options were of no value--then I realized YOU were saying those features (and all the rest) are of no value to YOU! Now THAT'S funny! But not as funny as a guy who rear ends the truck in front of him because he turned of his "despicable" adaptive cruise control--that would be HYSTERICAL!
@@rayfriedman6107 um, direct quote from rayfriedman "So, until BMW is ready to update the RT to the new 1300cc engine, AND take care of the issues mentioned above, I'm sticking with my bike." Any reading of that "until" would mean that you're sticking with your bike till BMW fixes those "issues". Hysterical??? Are you medicated? Why would anyone who turns off their insipid radar cruise, rear end a truck??? That's what eyes and a brain are for. Watch the road, process the danger and act accordingly. If you need adaptive cruise to not hit the truck in front of you, you shouldn't be on the road.
The reason I despise adaptive cruise control is that I do not want my ride dictated by mindless morons in cages. I get so tired of the lack of speed discipline by today's drivers. Every dummy that plays with his/her coffee, radio, phone, etc., drives erratically. The same goes for every time they go uphill or downhill. How many fools have you followed that go 20 over on downhills and 10 under on uphills? I love the fact that a motorcycle can quickly get around those morons and not be stuck behind them. Adaptive cruise lets you sit there and slow down and speed up at whatever rate someone else chooses. I don't want to be able to look around and check out the scenery while my bike is keeping me safe. I want to pay attention and RIDE. If you need adaptive cruise, you are part of the problem.
That’s what I imagined you’d say.
I have had 3 RTs, and they have been fantastic bikes. I probably have at least 100K miles total on them. I have never purchased one new however. I usually get one a few years old. You can find these used from really good owners, who followed the maintenance exactly as requires, with decently low miles on them.
Your review was spot on…!
I have a 2021 RT and for me, it’s the best of both worlds, sport and touring. It is like no other bike I’ve ever owned.
Honda needs to bring back the ST1300.
You said it, why buy a different bike. The RT is the worlds best bike for any rider who is serious about having the best bike for long rides, of anything type of road. So some might say “well I ride in slow traffic and in town”. Ok, go buy a Vespa and be happy. Having owned over 35 motorcycles for over 40 years and have three in the garage now, i wish one of them was a 1250 RT and it’s definitely on my list to get one. I sold my 2009 R1200RT and I do miss it all the time. I will say that the big TFT display does not turn me on (Because it doesn’t do Apple CarPlay). I like the GPS unit to be separate, like a NAV V or NAV VI unit.
Look for a good used pre TFT model with the 1250 motor typically 2019/20 you won’t be disappointed and can use your GPS plus save a fortune 👍
BMW fanboy here. I have a 2018 R1200RT with full options, and a 2015 R9T classic. I love them both.
The RT of this generation is just phenomenal. Same chassis as this R1250RT, and I bought an aftermarket phone holder/wireless charger that plugs straight into the factory BMW nav prep. It allows me to use the phone for everything. It is just an awesome touring bike.
At least the running lights are not obnoxious. Running lights on late model cars and motorcycles are getting comically ridiculous looking. Two things on the tech.. one, who wants heavy speakers on the motorcycle? Not many. I've spoken to many RT owners and dealer sales people and a speaker delete is something almost universally wanted, two, c'mon BMW just give us Apple CarPlay and Android Auto. No owner wants a wonky OEM app. BTW, never have I ever actually heard the speakers of an RT playing, unlike the Harley crowd which projects their banality onto everyone around them with an audio assault of loud pipes and blasting music. Ditch the speakers, give us CarPlay/Android Auto. 100% on the controls not being back-lit, huge oversight.
I own a BMW CE 04 and the experience of having to use their custom app, which requires keeping your phone on, communicate with a phone-to-bike WiFi connection that doesn’t reliably establish, and then when it does “map mode” often refuses to start. I can’t count the number of times I’ve been effectively without navigation while I try combinations of app, bike, phone and WiFi restarting. It’s totally ridiculous and most importantly, I will absolutely not purchase a BMW motorcycle in the future as long as they keep insisting on their own UI. It’s a completely doomed waste of resources for them, outside of their expertise, and results in a miserable customer experience. Let it go BMW.
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As a Harley owner, I approve of the exhaust and music comment 😄
@@Winter-zv1dvDucati does the same thing. I don't understand why they spend so much money and time reinventing the wheel when they could follow Honda in using CarPlay and Android Auto. I don't need a janky manufacturer app when Google Maps already does a decent job with traffic routing. I can use a proper offroad app when I hit the dirt. As for speakers on a bike, hello hearing loss... if you have earplugs on you can't hear them.
Leave it to the Germans who thinks their tech is better than the rest of the world 😂 Totally unacceptable for a bike north of 20k! While I may agree with you the bike absolutely rocks in terms of engine, handling, looks, etc. But again that is to be accepted for a brand known more for performance above anything else. But the best long distance ST? Not for me. Give me a Yamaha FJR anyday or I'll stick to my trusty Honda VFR
Your best review I have seen so far, Ian. I own a 2022 RT in the Racing Blue color, and had it in for it’s 12000 mile maintenance last week. All valves were within specification and did not need adjusting. I ordered my bike from the factory with no radio and saved $600. The large TFT display, headlight coverage at night, easily adjustable windshield, LOUD horn, adaptive cruise control, helmet fitting panniers, and overall quality feel of the bike keep me very happy while riding it. The only negative I had was the cramped leg space. I am 5’11” with a 32” inseam. After a couple hours on the bike I needed to get off and stretch my legs. However, I purchased the Wunderlich foot peg lowering kit and installed it myself. The kit lowered the pegs only slightly, but after one long camping trip the past summer, seems to have made a difference and improved my comfort. There is hardly a day I take the bike out that I do not get a compliment on it. It was nice seeing Maggie, and please ride safe.
RT is not for my 33” inseam-Versys 1K with dropped pegs works. Thanks for the sport touring content Ian, great to have multiple bikes!
I own a 2014 R1200 RT, and everything you’ve said about this new bike rings absolutely true. My friends on sport bikes are amazed at how well my bike handles.
I own a 2014 RT 1st yr water cooled. 28,000 miles trouble free. I would say the ergos are the same, I put on a different screen and like it better than stock. Love this bike. Great for a cheaper alternative than new but have heard great things about the 1250 vs my 1200. Definitely want to try the new 1300 if I can get my hands on one to ride when available. Thx Ian, good review as usual.
Thanks for sharing
28k in 10 years ? ..since you barely ride you are throwing your money away… coupled with the fact there is very little mechanical difference between you current bike and the 23’… the host of soon to malfunction electronic gimmicks is the only major difference…
Excellent review! Mine is a 2022 - great bike. I totally agree with your “cons”. I am 6 feet tall and recently added peg lowering and handlebar raise kits. Much more comfortable for my 65 year old body!
The most comprehensive test of the RT that I have seen so far
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This is one of the most comprehensive reviews I’ve come across. Top job👍
You are #1 when it comes to motorcycle reviews. Thank you.
...the best overall touring bike in the world. That's a bold statement sir. You are nonetheless correct. My'16 R1200RT is the best mile eater I've ever owned. Combination of weight, power, handling, and comfort make it so. Not a bad bike for short trips due to the light weight. It's also my cold weather bike due to the wonderful wind protection. Someone mentioned buffeting. Maybe if you are 8' tall. I feel hardly and wind with the screen in the top position. Excellent review.
Honestly Ian, I was on the fence between the GS and RT up until I signed the papers. I left with the 2020 GSA HP. I have zero regrets but imagine I would have felt the same with the RT.
Some of the colors of the new RT are awesome, especially the blue IMO. I agree so much with the non backlit switches being a problem. I have as well as many other Beemer riders complaining about this. It's not like there's only 3 or 4 switches on the bars but tons. Unacceptable especially at a price point for a premium bike. BMW wasn't listning to its base consumers.
Even the release of the new GS 1300 does not come with backlit switches. (not liking the look of the 1300) another story for another day lol.
This new RT is really a thing of beauty in my eyes and I might trade in the GSA and end up with an RT in my garage.
very professionally created content. I loved the term independent journalism. I just like read an article in motorcycle magazine that I had read years ago before youtube era. Thanks a lot. Keep up good work
A truly EXCELLENT review. Just WOW! Well done, you helped me so much in my decision.
Excellent review and my thoughts exactly on the RT. I’ve owned four of these bikes and a friend of mine who has a Goldwing is now buying the RT. He rode mine a few days ago and loves the lightness and the overall handling with the low center of gravity.
Right on!
Hello from New Zealand, Thanks Ian for what I regard as some of if not the best motorcycle reviews and content on youtube.I appreciate the effort you put into your research and your down to earth, no nonsense approach to motorcycle journalism.Its really good that you include your partner Maggie in your reviews for an unbiased and genuine opinion on not just pillion accommodations but also what she actually thinks of the price and looks of the bikes you review which is actually very relevant and important to many people and potential buyers..Shes pretty cool also and a great addition to your vids.Your channel has quickly become my first port of call when I want info on a bike or just an informative and entertaining watch on one of my many youtube motorcycle binges...I watched your review of the V strom 1050 XT about 20 times and ended up buying one :) Thanks again mate and keep it up..185k subs is mega..this channel deserves a million..and when it reaches that which I have no doubt it will in time, I hope people read this comment. cheers.
I have a 2019 RT 1250, moved up from a 1200R which I'd had for seven years. I find it a luxurious ride, a proper grand tourer. I ride quite fast but never feel the need to move the settings out of "road" and "auto" (suspension adjustment). I love how precise the handling is, you can put it exactly where you want it. Performance is thrilling, the shiftcam technology was exactly what the boxer needed because it just couldn't breathe at high revs. This one happily snarls it way to the top of the rev range. Top gear acceleration from 70 mph to oblivion is amazing.
I'm 6-ft with long legs and arms (34 inseam). I ride with the standard seat on the high setting. (You could have pointed out there is a low, standard and high seat available, each with two settings). This means I easily flat-foot the bike when sitting at the front or middle of the saddle, but can't quite do it when sitting at the very back of the saddle (broadest part). This is ideal for me. If you chose the high seat in the high setting I think a guy of 6ft 6ins would be comfortable. Regarding the bars, I think I have longer arms than you because I don't need to lean in at all: I sit upright. The big seat means you can shuffle forward and backwards to relieve the stresses of a long journey. The radio is fine in town, something to listen to at traffic lights, but on the open road it's irrelevant.
I suspect this might be the best touring bike in the world, but can't confirm it because I haven't ridden its rivals. But I love twins and appreciate their character: people who aspire to smoothness above all else might prefer the Goldwing or K1600. But these suckers face a significant weight penalty with either!
Another great review. I find myself watching your reviews even when they're about bikes I don't really care about. That's not the case this time. The RT is a fantastic bike and I've rented a few for some multi-state trips and enjoyed them thoroughly. I have had two GTLs because I felt it was superior for smoothness, comfort and power for two-up riding with my wife, but I'll probably move to an RT next time around now that its power to weight ratio is much improved. My solo touring bike right now is a GSA, even though I don't go "offroad". I was really torn between it and the RT, but I'll give you a couple of reasons why I picked it aside from superior leg room (6' 33" inseam). That extra suspension travel makes the thing suck up every darn bump in the road, and when you're travelling a couple thousand miles, those hits add up. No other bike has ever given me such a smooth ride over bone-jarring crap roads in California or any other state. Second, even though the GSA will not keep you as protected as the RT in a frontal rain or wind assault, when you're riding through a strong sidewind, it is superior. The wind tends to blow through the GSA and not push the fairing and saddlebags like it does on the RT. (I mostly ride with a bag behind me on the passenger seat, instead of with wind-catching saddlebags). I've had more than my share of what felt like 30-40 degree pitched rides. I like that the GSA has a lot less trouble in those sidewinds. Lastly, even though I think the RT is the prettier bike, when riding solo I like to remove saddlebags to save weight and make the bike more aero. The RT looks like hell, whereas the GSA still looks... like a GSA ;)
Great content; keep'em coming ;)
Dang dude...such a great review of this bike. I love my KTM in terms of it being a raw powerhouse, but I am second guessing keeping my KTM 1290 SAS for the long haul. I'm losing my faith in KTM reliability and customer service...There are so many common issues owners keep reporting, and I've experienced a couple of them early on. I don't wanna be stuck with an expensive lemon should anything major fail. BMW seems to really hold their dealerships accountable in terms of the after sale experience. KTM seems to be too busy doing lines of coke and slamming Red Bull.
i hear you!
I’ve had both BMWs and KTMs, and I hear you on basic reliability. But… 1. The BMWs always seem to have a few eccentricities that gradually become annoying and/or service items, and 2. BMW somehow manages to charge even more than KTM for parts and service. I still have both, but I have to admit at the end of the day I’m always happy to jump on the KTM and leave BMW eccentricity behind.
@@Theravadinbuto Thanks! I really do appreciate the insight from someone who has owned both brands. Good thing I have the entire off-season to think on this! :D
Had a pan st1100 for 3 yrs dealer finally convinced me to take a 1200rt and boy was it a ton lighter and handled so much better than the pan. I rode it London city traffic shame never toured on it (kids too young for daddy leave) It looks deceptively huge but the weight is low down . Had it for 10 yrs u r absolutely right about how capable it is
Nice review, Ian and I agree with your take on the bike. I test rode one to compare against my K1600 GTL, but it didn't fit my 6'5" 230 lb self (most of today's bikes don't, to be fair). i've had the K16 going on 5 years, the ergonomics and forward lean is close to the RT, but I still needed an aftermarket windscreen and saddle to make it fit. I get a thrill putting lots of touring miles on it and its a keeper.
I absolutely agree with you, what can I say… I owned a ‘17 1200RT and now I ride a ‘23 1250RT, my best bike ever!! Good vídeo dude! Greetings from Spain ✌️✌️✌️✌️
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I freaking love these things. My grandpa had a 2009 and it has 88k miles and goign strong!
I've been an RT fan since 1998 and I've owned several other BMWs over the years...My 2020 RT meets all my expectations! I've got long legs, so I installed a foot peg lowering kit. My wife, 4-8" and 90 lbs is super comfy on it. In fact, she reports the RT is more comfy than the 2016 GSA, even with its custom saddle!
Great review as always! I am very happy with my 2022 RT. I have added bar risers and a foot peg lowering kit. With my seat in the high position, this bike is very comfortable. I do not feel that the peg lowering kit compromises performance on twisty roads. I will upgrade at some point if they add a bigger motor, blindspot monitoring, and Apple CarPlay.
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The motor looks cool, good review. (Don't listen these haters in the comments)
If I could get an RT with the leg room of my GS I would own one. Great review enjoy your channel thank you .
I like setting my cruise to 90 or "so" in the desert. I don't think the manufacturer should restrict that. They don't know the circumstances in which they'll be used.
Upright tourers make so much sense for the majority of riders. It's only a matter of time before they become the most popular tourers.
It's not restricted by speed, it will work all the way to 137mph. What is limited is the Active Cruise Control(distance control), it's limited to 99 because if someone pulls out in front of you over 100, it will emergency brake. Turn off the ACC and the cruise control works to its max speed.
The worst part about motorcycles is buying one and then realizing you make a poor choice. There always seems to be a motorcycle that would have “fit” you better.
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Couldn't have said it better myself
yes . so need long distance test ride a motorcycle before buy it
@@j.bin_genex1927 many times it is not possible
@@NalinKhurbMost places either don't allow test rides or just a short one around the parking lot. There's no way to test for wind buffeting or rider ergos at highway speeds.
I've ridden a 2002 RT-P since 2006 and a 2012 GSA since 2012. With the exception of the electronic gizmos and big screen TV, my 21 years older RT has all of the same features - adjustable windshield, accessory plugs, excellent luggage, etc. I was amazed at how many features have remained constant over the years! The engine sounds are still incredibly similar!
Regarding the lack of handlebar illumination, most of my RT-P riding is year-round commuting in the Seattle-area. I almost always have the handlebar covers installed. I haven't seen my switchgear in - literally - years. Add handlebar covers and you'll quickly remember where the switches are!
Great review Ian, you are certainly building an authentic and hugely valuable catalogue of videos and reviews.
My two cents as an S1000XR (2016) owner who has ridden both a 2020 & 2021 RT more and more with UK Blood Bikes is, I may end up swapping mine for one of these. As you know the XR is phenomenal, but license threatening. The RTs are more comfortable, not short of power at real road speeds and handle brilliantly. Also, well built. Our Blood Bike RTs have 58k and 59k miles each, used by multiple riders and not given quite as much love as a personal bike and they’re still tight and lovely to ride. Best wishes from across the pond.
Really terrific review - Thanks! You didn't mention the shift-cam engine (maybe you did for GS review). I had an 18 RT which was last model b4 this was added. Also, a mention would be pretty good fuel economy. I ride back roads at typically no more that 60 MPH. On my 18 RT it was not uncommon to get 60MPG (verified by old-school fill up calculator math). I bought my RT from San Jose BMW and was VERY pleased with the way they treated me thru ordering, delivery & service. I moved to Idaho and the only dealership is horrible. I dreaded going in for the next major service so much I traded the bike for a Versys 1000. I'm happy with the Kawasaki but REALLY miss the BMW. Thanks again for the info on newest iteration.
...hi from Germany 👍 my 1250 RT is a fighter bomber...more than 100kg lighter than a Goldwing...243 kmh top speed on an open German highway...and curves in low mountain ranges? incredibly easy to ride, better than GS...Hard to beat! Super athletes cry! And the driver with his FJR 1300 thought he had more horsepower 🤔🤐😉 unfortunately his chassis wasn't up to par with the RT and he ended up in a wire fence! (Thank God no injuries 👍) the best thing I've ever ridden...600,000km on a motorcycle and then came the RT! I now have a second one (1200 built in 2009) for the winter. I love 🤟 this motorcycle! great tours, you are absolutely right! Biker greetings, Udo 😎🤘🫶
You are right Ian, I had a 2022 GS , at highway speed around 120 km/hr the GS engine is a lot noisier than my 2023 RT.
They dropped the ball by not having back lit switch gear . I have it on my Triumph and it really makes a difference while riding at night
I'm familiar with bmw standard controls so I never look at the buttons
6' even wearing Vans. The dealership didn't have one when i test rode the '23 GSA. Love my the gsa! However, i still want to give this a fair assessment one day. Ha! Roll of the dice says I'll be riding one this time next year. My only concern is the leg room as i tend to move side to side quite often in the twisty's.
Best moto vloger on the you tubes. Keep smiling!
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So the price seems high unless I think about what I’ve spent on a HD touring bike. I’m not brand loyal and have been thinking about…. A couple new bikes? What!… adventure bike upgrade and road bike. Your videos are the best Ian. Keep up the good work. It sure helps us regular folks out here make our mind up. I was wondering how many bikes you have sold for all manufacturers. Ha.
Really great review. I hope to upgrade the 1250 soon from my current 1200, this review only encouraged me more.
I like it when you get Maggie's take on the bikes. The better-half's rating is an important metric to consider and no other reviewers that I know of offer this datum.
I love to tour. I also only tour 1 up. Except for the adjustable windscreen I will take my 2020 H2 SX SE + over that bulky heavy weight R1250RT. Why handling, wet weight, reliability, maintenance costs, better torque, more horsepower and looks. My top bike brands are still Kawasaki and Yamaha. I have great respect for the BMW bikes as well as Honda no disrespect to those guys. But if you really like to have fun on twisty roads and long strait clean line of sight speed run roads nothing beats my bike IMO. I've logged over 51 years in the saddle and I would not want any other street long tour bike. Note: I do wish I had the '22 or '23' which come with adaptive cruise control. Maybe some day.
rode an 1150RT back and forth across the country and I miss it more than any of the bikes I've owned.
I've had my K1600GT almost 2 years. I also tested the RT which I hadn't considered and it gave me a bit of a dilemma as the RT was that good. The wind protection, especially screen is better on the RT. Low speed handling was much better on the RT, but once rolling above around 30mph I found the GT just as flickable amazing given the bulk of the bike (note mine is a gt rather than a gtl model, the latter of which is a lot less sporty) . Gearbox also a bit slicker on the RT and the low down grunt was great. A big downer for me was leg the lack of legroom on the RT...the GT was definitely a lot better for me in that respect (I'm 6 foot). I also found the engine addictive on the K16...it sounds epic when the revs climb and is rapid in the midrange. When the weight becomes an issue, I'll probably switch to the RT which other than the legroom ticks all the boxes, but in the meantime Im well happy with my choice.
Fantastic review - thx.
Except for being only 5'4", I could totally ride this bike.
I have an RS which is in a lot of ways the same as this bike. The key point I'm making is the motor and where it puts the weight. If you had to take a mild gravel road to connect to another road. Or to make it to that camp spot you want to go to. You don't need a GS to get you there. These bikes will comfortably do 35 mph on a mild gravel road. If you have ever been on a street oriented bike on a gravel road, you will understand what I'm saying. They are very sketchy. The boxer motor, and where it puts the weight. Makes these bike extremely versatile.
Your reviews are excellent. You deserve your popularity and success.
A competitor not sold in the USA is the Honda NT1100. I have one and the possibility of DCT makes it quite compelling. An offshoot of the venerable Africa Twin. Highly capable platform if a bit underpowered. I wonder why Honda does not include the NT1100 in their USA portfolio. It nicely fills a gap below the tour oriented Goldwing. The NT1100 is exceptional but as with every bike it has compromises. But at about half the price of the R1250RT it certainly is good value.
You are the one millionth commentator to ask that question regarding the NT1100. Everyone in the US and Canada are begging for it.
One correction Ian - the riding mode selections are not customisable as they are on the GS/A. Unfortunate as you have to toggle through all four even if you use only two. BTW shame you can’t toggle damping via a switch as per GS/A as that button is replaced by the electric windscreen button (you can however in software via the menus). Also note the RT is in fact lighter than the GSA if you remove the panniers which are devoid on the GSA ex factory. For me the RT remains the most complete do-it-all motorcycle on the market with little or no compromise other than off-road use. It’s a masterpiece of engineering reflecting decades of fine tuning. The evolution will continue. Super review as always. Best. G.
I love mine, I commute on it most days. It’s a pleasure to ride!
I recently added the radio to my '22 R1250RT (wasn't avail. when Berlin built my bike) I like playing the radio through the speakers while at a rest stops/washing the bike/etc. and through the helment while moving. This bike was a major performance upgrade from my '06 R1200RT. I won't split lanes while the side cases are mounted.
If riding predominantly long distance trips on larger interstate highways higher weight is not necessarily a negative.
Hello Ian - greetings from Finland! Thank you for very interesting reviews. We used to have a K1600 but changed it into Goldwing. Reason was pillion experience/wind buffeting (and engine over heating in traffic). After 12000 km experience last summer with new Goldwing In highway speeds - it is superior. In our experience BMW wind buffeting is ok with driver but it is not acceptable with pillion (170cm) in highway. It is better if you lower the windshield but driver looses wind protection. In my opinion BMWs are driver's bikes. For a traveling couple, Goldwing is our choice.
I have r 1250rt from 2023 oleeady for almost 40k kilometers. I can write a big list of things that i think you shouldn't get with this expensive bike. But about lightened buttons on left and right controls. After riding goldwing with all lightened buttons i appreciate no lights on my rt. Especially while riding at night. I drive allot at nights for my work so i know what i am talking about. But in this pricetag you should get option where you can choose yourself to light this buttons!
Your review is spot on. I own this same motorcycle and agree with you that this is a great touring motorcycle. Addition of a top case would enhance passenger comfort. NOTE: I think police versions have narrower side bags.
I own this, the latest RT, and agree with everything you say. The backlights dont bother me as I very rarely ride in the dark and when I do I can remember where the relavant buttons are as this is my only bike. Regarding the buzz, I came to this bike to escape the 4-cylinder buzz of my previous Ninja which actually caused nerve damage in both my hands and right foot, I'm not noticing the same high frequency buzz on this bike, its also less weighted on the wrists which helps, if there is resonant buzz at a point in the rev range it is so narrow a band that it can be dropped below or ridden above. It may be less noticable than the GS due to the GS's tubular bars rather than the rigid formed aluminium bars of the RT you tested, but tubular bars are an option on the RT either at point of order, or as some do via DIY conversion using a GS top yoke and aftermarket bars (32mm clamp diameter I believe). The factory bar ends are rubbish too, and I have swapped mine for those that were on my NINJA, as they are designed to isolate any vibes through rubber coupling, rather than just change resonant frequency via added weight to the bar system. Great review, thanks.
How would rubber coupled bar ends do that? After all they are at the end of the bars; the vibration stems from the bar mounts, not the ends.
@@JBK647 For best results, the weight at the end of the bar should be "floating", kinda like a shake weight. The Kawasaki bar ends do this. Vibration is transmitted into the bar end weight, which is able to move/vibrate on its axis (the bolt) buffered by rubber. At rev points where increased vibration can be felt, there's greater vibration in the bar end than in the grips. I guess the vibrational energy is dissipated into the bar ends where a smaller free mass is moved more at the benefit of reducing vibrational energy where our hands hold. Check out the Kawaski Ninja 1000sx bar ends, they wobble and work better than the BMW ones which are rigid and fixed.
@oclv110sl Which bar ends do you use? I have the HVMP bar end but they are not rubber mounted. I’ve heard that rubber mounted are best, but would like to know which will fit on the RT. Many thanks!
@@rlobosco1 I use the Kawasaki OEM ones which I swapped off my Ninja before trading it in. I'm also about to do a tubular bar conversion for increased comfort and bar choice.
Hey Ian, great review and to the point. I was thinking of a GSA but now I am more likely to go for the RT, I am a 90% touring and 10% off road. I think I am going with the RT instead of the GSA...
Thanks for detail review.
Right on!
I’d take an RT any-day over a GS if you don’t do any off road riding. If you want something smaller and less expensive, something like a Tiger 900 GT is a great choice. Plenty of adventure “like” bikes on the market that fill the lighter sport touring market now.
If I could wait, I'd test ride the new 1300 GS with forged wheels and the adaptive suspension before choosing.
I don't know, the RT won't be able to handle any gravel at all whereas the smaller or larger GS models will. If you need to ride through gravel or dirt roads to get to a cabin or campsite, the RT could be a bit of a pig to handle.
I bought this exact motorcycle one month ago. Didn't see any of your reviews before hand. After one thousand miles I can agree with a couple of your issues. The navigation system is clunky. However, it has a ton of potential. Hopefully BMW will continue to work on this. I think they will. The back lit switch issue for me is a non issue. I have motorcycles with it and without and I have never even thought about it. Once you brought it to my attention I realized it's all muscle memory. Besides, how much are you really going to be fussing with switches other than turn in the real world. However for 27 grand I have to agree that BMW really missed the mark from a pure appearance point. It is a joy to ride. I have owned quite a few different large motorcycles including a BMW K bike. The weight for me was a huge consideration and a huge reason why I chose the RT. I would recommend it over all the K bikes and Goldwing having been there done that.
RT models have been a great looking bikes for several years. But, Germany is living on past reputation in regards to quality. " Complexity is the enemy of reliability " applies to BMW also. I will keep my old Honda Sport Touring, cuz any repairs are cheap , few, and far between.
Great review! Now im deciding whether or not to trade in my 20 1250GS for 24 1250RT. I dont feel the front end w GS. But i took a ride on 1250 RT today and fell in love w the front end feel.
Very nice review. A few points/additions.
- You can get tubular bars as an option if you want to mount your phone or whatever. I think Wunderlich makes adapters for the cast bars that give you a mount point as another solution.
- I have a 2020 R1250RS which I think has the same gearing as the RT. I've ridden a GS and the quick shifter is smoother on my RS. So maybe the final drive ratio has an effect.
- The price is high but it's usually possible to find year old BMWs for 15% off new prices and little miles. You can then buy the BMW extended warranty which adds 4 years to the regular factory warranty and still save money.
Yep, switches are not lighted. At first I used to snap a glow stick and attach to my jacket. You get used to them pretty quick though.
Superb review Ian as always👍👏😀 If this would be the only bike I could own I’d be delighted, it is a fantastic achievement, well done BMW 👍
I have one of these. I’ve done two 3000 mile tours of Italy and Croatia. Brilliant bike. Biggest flaw for tall people like me (6’3”) is the bent leg seating position. It’s a little tiring and it puts your head almost above the full up position of the screen. I rode the GS (standard not the Adventure) and I was blown away by how much lighter it feels- especially the new 1300GS which is even lighter. Oh BTW, the Garmin sat as is shite. Slow and unintuitive.
As someone with a thrice fractured tailbone...the RT is the most upright I can spend hours doing. R1250RS is the one I would consider...similar price, slightly less integration, less weight, more sporting when you get off the superslab.
The engine buzz seems to vary from bike to bike, and on my RT has moved around a bit as the valve clearances have been adjusted.
Heavier bar ends cures the "buzz". I have had them on my RT for years. Mileage also reduces the "buzz".
@@DrT1250+1 -- was the same issue on the 1200RT and the heavier barends cured it there too.
I own a 2018 1200RT (old fashioned clocks thank goodness) and I love it for most of the reasons generally given in the comments below. Here in the UK we don't in the Summer get many days over +25C (77F), but in those few cases it can be a little stifling under 50 mph. Just to correct one comment, the right-hand cubby box (small phones only accepted!) is fan cooled and not air-conditioned.
Stifling at 77F? Are you kidding? Here in Phoenix, the average summer day is 108-117F. Now THAT'S stifling!
I have enjoyed watching you enjoy. I have one from 2020 and I know what you're talking about. It's worth the 26,000 it costs
I have a '23RT and I do love my bike and have owned several BMWs. BUT, here's my list. The seat is uncomfortable after an hour or so. A gel pad didn't help so a Russel day long is on order. The Tech sucks except for the adaptive cruise which works well. The charge cradle basically won't charge iPhones (yes I've tried positioning, cover on/off etc and the cradle got replaced under warranty and still doesn't work.). The integrated NAV is not great as has been talked about below. The radio antenna cuts out all the time especially with satellite radio. My 2015RT didn't have these issues except for the seat. I lost my R1250RS in a crash last year and replaced it with my '23RT but I kind of wish I'd gotten a "21 to have my old RT features with the newer engine.
Hello Ian. Love your reviews if not most of the bike. I own a HD Street glide Special and really love the bike. You have Your review has convinced me to take a look. Thanks for a detailed review.
I bought an RT that had bar risers and lowering peg kit on the bike and it sits just like a GS. Very comfortable bike
@@devianthousend 5’11’…31 inch inseam
The RT is a great bike, but the K1600 fit me better, great review should be more RTs on the road
I found my 2008 to be more comfortable than my 2022. The newer one felt more crammed to me, ergonomically. I also think that there is way too much wind protection on the newer models. Great in the rain, but stifling in the summer months. The 1250 engine was very nice though.
Thanks for sharing!
Wireless charger on the right side compartment. Great review.
I have a 2020 r1250rt. Best Motorcycle I have ever owned.
Ian, that was an absolutely stellar review!! If I were single, based on this alone, I'd buy this machine. I'd need to research the pillion options for it ,so my wife would feel comfortable & secure on the back though, before I could convince her to tour on it with me. She wants something like the Gold Wing options of that "easy chair" setup. Also, I don't need or want a lot of the electronic "nice" stuff, with the exception of the adaptive cruise-that's really something! Very impressed!!!
Amazing (actually the best out there!) review Ian! I bought a 2023 triple black today.
I have ordered a new 1300GS trophy already...
Came to the dealer to look at a new 1300gs.
It (the new gs) is an ugly bike.
The real reason why I switched to the RT: weather protection and most important:
here in Europe (Austria) every second bike is a GS, it is just not funny!
Love to get the RT next week.
Ride save!
I can't wait to see the "NEW" R1300RT, I say this based on the changes of the new R1300GS with its transmission "apparently" now below its motor, and 20/ 25 LB's lighter (and hopefully a smoother/ better quick shifter?!?). However, the current R1250RT is still GREAT, and IMO king of the road of the Sport "Touring" class.
Had two GS and a GSA. My 2023 RT handles way better on the road. Goes into the corner quicker, better road feel, and I just feel much more confident on it. I wasn't sure about the leg angle but I don't notice it while riding.
wonderful review mate ....thumbs up
I have been riding for over 45 years owned goldwing k1600gtle r1200rt HD vrod ultra limited and a few sport bikes . In my opinion the rt does everything well .goldwing k1600gtl and the HD are a little big for city riding . I'm now 60 and ride the ultra limited now I have no need for speed just want a good touring bike to have fun with .ride safe
You'll get no arguments from me. I have a 2013 R1200RT and it is by far the best touring bike I've ever owned. I've done significant touring on a 1983 R80RT, a 1993 GL1500, a 1998 ST1100, 2009 Ultra Classic. All of these were great bikes in their own right. I rode the ST1100 the longest at 10 years. Still, my R1200RT is by far the best, especially in terms of weather protection. It's the first bike I've owned that routinely offers a totally still environment behind the fairing. I always had to deal with helmet buffeting on the other bikes even after experimenting with multiple windshield options. I'd love to up grade to the R1250RT if I could afford it but that's a ways down the road if it happens at all. Still, my 1200RT is running just fine and I'd be ok sticking with it for the balance of my riding days.
i do have one question though. You mentioned not really liking the radio speakers in the fairing. I would tend to agree with that. Question: can you disable the fairing speakers, or do they turn off when you're using the bluetooth helmet headsets? Thanks, and great review!
Yes you can shut off the speakers
More than the GS, I think the RT will really benefit from the 1300 updates. In particular the modern length swingarm. Add in the relocated transmission, evolved Telelever suspension and the handling benefits on this bike should be obvious.
Test drove a brand new one for over an hour a couple of weeks ago; didn’t like it at all.
In Comfort it was way to soft, bounced up and down mid corner. In Dynamic it was to harsh.
Windscreen buffeted like crazy in every position.
Throttle response in Low speed was to on/off for my taste.
Not worth the 32K imho.
Also made a testdrive. Same conclusion. No alternative for my current Goldwing
Looks like a great bike. Excellently review Sir.
frankly after a week you know the switches by heart, you don't really need them to be lit at all
You need to spend some time on the new Goldwing, I’ve owned an Ultra Classic, K1600, concours 14 and the wing is head and shoulders above them. You don’t feel the weight it’s confidence inspiring with its handling and smoothness. I think the RT is also a phenomenal bike I’ve almost bought one twice now. However the motor just doesn’t do it for me. It’s capable but not wow and I don’t need the vibration.
In regards to the lack of lighted controls, many of the adjustable features shouldn't be adjusted while riding (day or night) save the windshield, cruise, hazards and kill switch in my humble opinion.
I don’t know man I think a Goldwing runs like a sewing machine. It would stomp that thing into the dirt. All with an engine that you don’t even know is running.