This is a homage to the best Megatron ever written: Beast Machines Megatron. Enjoy as one of the series' greatest Villain Sues smacks around his hapless quarry.
One thing I really enjoyed about BM Megs was that his helmet was basically a cage, adding on to how he knows how bestial he is, and is effectively trying to muzzle himself.
Another thing I always thought was odd was that, aside from flashbacks, the show always went out of it's way to never show Megatron in his robot mode when he was on Cybertron. Everytime he fell out of his command harness thing he reverted to beast mode and every time he went back in it he transformed back to robot mode which you can make out for a instant but that was all. I took it as maybe Megatron was embarrassed to be seen in his robot mode since it still had beast parts, one his arms was basically a dragon's head. I don't know, there were a lot of inconsistencies between Beast Wars and Beast Machines. Megatron, for example, seemed to almost revel in his beast forms, especially the dragon, in Beast Wars but was disgusted by it in Beast Machines.
@@177SCmaro Asides from the actual Transmetal II Megs model itself actually having no texture changes compared to the more mutilated, scarred, almost sickly looking dragon mode, I think it makes sense that he didn't really want to be seen as such, since he's had enough time alone to basically kill everyone but himself and choose to blame the beast mode for his humiliation on Earth since there were no tarantulas or raptors to blame (didn't know about Dinobot II sending the shuttle data) for his defeat on the Nemesis.
@@neuronoc.7343 Yeah, maybe. Megaton's physiological state is an interesting thing to consider given it has real world implications especially among people who self-harm or with body issues/see their own body, or aspects of it, as the source of all their problems in life. Megatron's greatest character flaw has always been his own self-important megalomania, his own inflated ego, leading him to blame every failure on someone or something external to himself/his own mind. Blaming his transmetal beast mode, despite it having nothing to do with his failure and actually being a product of his own quest for power (he deliberately chose to temporarily carry the Spark of the original Megatron to augment his body as had happened to Optimus) definity falls into the pattern. Ultimately, Megatron's "Beast" wasn't without, it was within - his own selfishness and egocentrism, his vanity, was the beast Megatron could never overcome or separate from himself and was, eventually, his own undoing.
@@Laserbeak316 Megatron was hypocritical in a sense. As one of his drones pointed out, it was possible to simply remove his spark and place it in another body but Megatron feared being put in this vulnerable state so much he hung onto his current body and it's beast mode. In other words, maintaining his organic components was worth it to him to not risk his life yet he expected others to risk theirs and to purge their organics from themselves and he was even willing to impose this on them by force, something he was not willing to do himself.
For anyone who thinks this megatron is out of character remember, gaining true power changes people...even the bad one. Megatron had gone from a charismatic renegade to the ruler of cybertron, its only natural that his attitude and manner would change.
PAUL KING what people don’t really like is how he becomes this. It’s a complete 180 from what Megatron was in BW to what he becomes in BM. His original goal was to rule Cybertron along with his fellow Predacon brethren. Now he’s developed this god complex. This ideology of technological perfection. Many fans are confused as to what would cause him to become what we see him as in beast machines. I have my own theory. That theory is that his experiences during the Beast Wars caused him to really fall out of place with everyone else. What I mean is that it was likely the constant betrayals from his subordinates( Dinobot, Starscream but then again he was expecting that one considering his history of treachery, Terrorsaur, Blackarachnia, Tarantulas, Quickstrike, Waspinator,though he abandoned the cons due to being constantly blown up so you can take this part with a grain of salt, and then finally, Transmetal 2 Dinobot) that was the first steps to this god complex. He hated betrayal, hated those who wanted to destroy him and take his place. He believed that the organic modes that these subordinates took were the cause of the betrayals. That their beast modes caused them to act out irrationally, rather than working cohesively. That their own ideas were what lead to the Predacons defeat, which could explain as to why he hates organics and/or organic beast modes. And he believed that with a single, hive-mind like intelligence, that no one would ever betray him again.
I agree - Megatron's god complex and hatred of organic modes are likely a result of all the betrayals and defeats he suffered over the course of the Beast Wars. Not to mention temporarily sharing his body with the spark of the G1 Megatron may have had long-term effects on his sanity as well.
MegaFafnir that’s another fair point. I know he returned G1 Megatron’s spark back to him, but you’re right. Having his spark mingled with his own may have caused long term effects on him. One other thing about the betrayals is how they start with Dinobot, and end with Dinobot. So Dinobot may very well have had a big influence on how Megatron would become in Beast Machines. As well as what Ravage told him. “I served under the original Megatron. You have his name, but not his army”. So Ravages’ words also carried a good degree of weight.
Keep in mind that developed a distaste for individuality, as he doesn’t seem to value the presence of his generals; the TF wiki even states that he prefers mindless drones
@@LordExor honestly to me his whole plan just seemed to amount to "i'm gonna take away all free will so no one can argue against me" like there wasn't much depth to him.
The Beast Era Megatron has been stated to be the greatest villain in the history of the Transformers. And there are two reasons. One: altering history. Remember the mountain that he destroyed during the Beast Wars? Two: took over Cybertron and stole all the sparks on the planet, apart from a handfull of maximal. This also makes Primal the createst hero of the planet.
I would argue that he wasn’t the greatest for one reason. He failed to achieve to original design. Beast wars Megatron original goal was to gather enough energeon on earth to conquer cybertron. Or to kill Optimus Prime so when the decepticons awake they conquer the planet unchallenged. There is way more to this story my theory has been that Megatron tried to rally the predacons to rise up offering the advancements he made on earth to them and them refusing him.
@@Phantom19913 Oh, the Energon gathering was done due to the real plan of altering history being far too risky. But due to the Maximals efforts, Beast Megatrons plans started to go more insane as the story went on. I would still argue that he was the greastest villain in atleast the western Beast Wars continuity, especially due to the Spark Wars in Beast Machines. On other continuities, this can be argued against, due to characters like IDW Shockwave, Overlord and Tarn, Cybertron Megatron/Galvatron and the Singularity Unicron.
@@SleepingGroke that’s the thing about megatrons plan. It’s always rotating changing to the latest discovery the purge of the organic on cybertron, the whole becoming a god. But of what an empty and dead planet. Then let’s talk about why he suddenly hates free will and beast modes is because he lost the beast wars and hated the reminder of it.
@@Phantom19913 His hatred for beast modes and anything organic? Can't really say that he ever cared for the beast modes, it was mostly for protection for the raw energon radiation, and the Transmetal upgrades were either forced on by transwarp energy or a grasp for power with the G1 Megatrons spark. I would argue that if he had the chance during the Beast Wars to get rid of the beast mode, he would have. The hatred for free will however can be blamed on the predacon crew he had. Being backstabbed at any opportunity the likes of Terrorsaur, Tarantulas and Blackarachnia had, the constant failures of Scorponok and Waspinator, the unpredictability of Rampage, Inferno and Quickstrike. Beast Megatron only used them because those were his best option at the time, but when he managed to get back to Cybertron, the madness caused by the Beast Wars was given the opportunity to go all out.
I really enjoyed Megatrons development over the two series. In the first season of Beast Wars he was a joke and a buffoon. But step by step he became a real threat, until he became horrifying. In season one he was defeated by an energon fart. It kinda turned when he killed Primal, then he gleefully tried to genocide humanity, then he broke time itsself, then he killed everyone on cybertron; ate their souls and made weapons out of their corpses. Classic!
Adam Santer i could totally believe this Megatron would try to replace Primus and take control of all of Cybertron, including the ability to transform it. Then he might just spread his conquest to the entire galaxy at that point. We’re doomed.
He could potentially defeat a Primacronian Unicron, like the one featured in The Transformers: The Movie. He could also defeat some Non-Singularity Unicorns, like the one in the Prime Wars Trilogy, but probably not the one in the IDW comics. It is too close to call against the Uniend Singularity Unicron, especially because it was morphed into the Multiverse Singularity Unicron, when the barrier between the Aligned Continuity and the rest of the multiverse was breached by the Dark Spark Event. He might barely win against the Negative Polarity Unicron. Finally, he would only stand a small chance of beating the Multiversal Singularity Unicron if he gains the power of Logos Prime, also known as Soundblaster. In one timeline the Prime was intending to give all of his power to either a Optimus Primal or a BW Megatron. While that did not happen, it is possible that he tried again later. Allowing BW Megatron to have almost as much power over time as Vector Prime.
If Jhaxus ever showed up in a cartoon, David Kaye should voice him. Despite Jhaxus acting like he's beyond the petty Deception/Autobot conflict, he was still an egomaniac who didn't care about anyone. In short, just like Megatron here in BM.
As a kid it seemed so weird that so much happened BEFORE the show but it makes sense now. Megatron fell off the shuttle as it was going through the Transwrap tunnel. He ended up back on Cybertron YEARS/Decades before the heroes so OF COURSE he had everything changed.
I always thought this Megatron was darker than Prime. Even more scarier. Sorry Frank Welker. I always thought Megatron was better in Machines as well. His voice actor, David Kaye, said Beast Wars was more Shakespearean while Beast Machines was more darker. He actually loved Beast Machines. I do as well. Beast Wars/Beast Machines has to be my favorite Megatron. :)
This Megatron is probably my personal favorite interpretation of the character. He's probably the most sadistic, ruthless, egomaniacal, deplorable Cybertronian to ever bear the name of Megatron. He exterminates almost all life on Cybertron and turns them into mindless drones while devouring their sparks to deify himself. What nails it in the coffin for me was that Megatron was kind of right when he claims to have won the Beast Wars. Sure, he was stopped from destroying the Ark, but they lost at the very last minute. That one moment changed the entire tide of the Beast Wars and Megatron did it all by himself. What a badass.
He certainly accomplished more than any other Megatron to date. He won. In the finale he was mere seconds away from usurping Primus and becoming the god of a new generation of Cybertronians. Somewhat reminiscent of Makuta Teridax from Bionicle
Okay, for any interested, I may have a theory that explains Megatron's transition regarding organic life from BW to BM. First of all, Megatron hates failure, like who would enjoy failing, but he absolutely despises failure and incompetence. One quote comes from Beast Machines later half and really represents this: "I will brook no failure, not from anyone, not for any reason". It highlights Megatron's complete disdain with failing and how there are no excuses for it. Now we have a post-Beast Wars Megatron, alone on Cybertron, to reflect on his experiences. He did not fulfill what he perceived as his grand destiny and so the Maximals continue to "rule over the Predacons". His machinations had put him on a level he even believed as to that of a god, yet that did not succeed. He accepts no excuses for failure, but, as we know, Megatron is very egotistical and narcissistic; his ego could never fully accept that he is to blame for failure. However, this time, there were no treacherous spiders scheming, no traitorous reptiles (he didn't know about Dinobot II sending the info to the Maximals), or incompetent minions; it was just him left. Megatron would never allow to idea that he is the main cause for such a colossal failure. As such, he would look to himself and wonder, "What changed?" He succeeded in gathering a small renegade team, steal the Golden Disk, and travel into Earth's past to find a way to usurp the Maximals and rule Cybertron. He would come to the conclusion that he changed, though not himself, but his composition. It all started when he obtained that "accursed Beast Mode". What was once garnered with some affection would be seen as disgusting, vile, and unnecessary. Megatron is a Cybertronian and Cybertronians are "elegant machines"; there was no organic component in their makeup. Therefore, Megatron's beast mode became a symbol of his failure, but he separates that from himself, treating it like a virus, a foreign thing latched onto him and not actually a part of him. This feeds into a hatred for organics and so Megatron seeks to purge all organics from the "purity and order" of Cybertron, as well as taking over said planet by ripping away other's free will. Sorry for TLDR comment, but this is my theory I came up with after analyzing Megatron's character, events, and his mannerisms before and after the end of the Beast Wars
Fuck dude, I just thought he was just trying to not be hypocritical. What's interesting is that when the drone said he had a subconscious desire to keep his beast mode, Megatron didn't deny it. He just told the drone to leave.
While that may be true, and while this exact form of takeover suits Beast Megatron to a “T”... I find it odd that he wants to purge himself of that powerful Dragon Beast Mode. Or that he treats it as a significantly harder task than switching to his pre-BW body.
@@kylestubbs8867 he's had time to think with himself until he feels disgust. In beast wars it was always supposed to be a temporary measure. I guess he regretted in retrospect. We don't know what he was like pre beast
@@kylestubbs8867 It's possible all the Transmetal upgrades and spark absorption messed up his body, but at the same time, Optimal Optimus went back to BW Season 1 Primal easily enough (tho that was because of a virus that eventually kills the target, so if that's his only option, it makes sense why he wouldn't take it).
I think it's his obsession with power that led him to hate his beast self. After achieving his ultimate goal of ruling cybertron he became obsessed with how to keep his power indefinitely. But his beast half proved to be an obstacle to that goal and like any obstacle in his way to power Megatron grew to hate it.
Idk, I find something...almost forced in this version. This Megatron is a megalomaniac, desperately seeking his own ends. He's not completely grounded, and in reaching too high, makes a spoiled brat of himself. Welker's Megatron could be power-crazed, but there was always the foundation of a (mostly) realistic commander. He always felt more /mature/ to me.
Wow! Thank you so much for your contributions! I've always loved the show's designs and art style. Megatron's design was amazing! What inspired your design process, if I may ask?
@@LordExor Funny you should ask, I just posted a video about it: th-cam.com/video/Q8WSSTLFOtw/w-d-xo.html I don't touch on Megatron in the video but I think I'll be doing a longer, more in depth video on the Art Direction process of the video down the road.
i have a theory about Magetron. in Beast Wars most of his troops betrayed him in someway at some point. here are some examples: Dinobot joined the Maximals in the beginning, Black Arachnia joined them near the end of the series, Tarantulus was always scheming behind Magetron's back, etc the list goes on. anyway my idea is that Megatron wanted mindless drones this time because with them you have an army with out the ability to plot and betray . not enough free will to choose their way over his way. plus when he did use the Generals, it was only 3 to keep the free minds to a minimum and he tried to control them by offering rewards and punishment. so what do you guys think of my idea?
Though he didn't learn a thing from "Dark Designs" in season 1 of Beast Wars from recycling Rhinox's spark into Tankor because Tankor then schemed to betray and dispose of him and take over as ruler when Rhinox was reawakened just as he was gonna do in that episode.
@@sgtmyers88 very good point in that episode it was shown that if flipped to evil Rinox can an even worse betrayal master. So I guess megaton forgot about that little detail. Oh well.. his mistake. Oops 😅
@@megamike15 yes very good point. And I get the feeling that waspinator aka thrust likes working for Magatron. As long as the job doesn’t involve getting blown up too often.
I see Beast Machines get a lot of flak for some reason, but honestly, this version of Megatron far surpasses Beast Wars Megatron. In Beast Wars, Megatron was capable of bumbling, down-right idiocy and even slapstick comedy. Not so with Beast Machines Megatron, he was one hundred percent dead-serious and a permanent menace, all the time.
+Lord Proteus It's interesting how he underwent a character development usually reserved for protagonists. In Beast Wars he was the adventuring Prince; Jovial, young and rash but with a certain brilliance, out for victory and to forge a name for himself. In Beast Machines we see the Prince has become the King, Emperor even; Stoical, calculating, confident and experienced. This megatron isn't just the prodigy he was before, he now has the experience to back him up. He won a war, he defeated a planet. He knows what he's capable of and doesn't need to be cautious, not in the same manner as the Beast Wars era Megatron. If anyone was worthy of fearful respect, it's this incarnation of Megatron.
+Shiro Nogitsune Having watched both shows over again, it's unnerving to know this was the same character having changed so drastically. It really solidifies his insanity, having gone from the somewhat charming, aspiring warlord to a complete and utter psychopath.
I don't know why some people hate Beast Machine series, this was the greatest series in the entire franchise. The pinnacle in terms of action, story, and characters. This Megatron is an absolute psychopath. Where other variations killed you or enslaved you, this Megatron literally tore your very soul apart and turned you into a mindless drone if you were lucky otherwise you could have been minerals or something. Easily the most tyrannical version of Megatron of all time. And Optimus Primal, perhaps the most heroic and also the greatest leader. Where the original Prime and others were outnumbered and had limited resources, they still had fighting chances for a full-frontal assault and all-out war. This Optimus Primal had nothing, with only 6 or so Maximals, scarce resources or none at all, and being hunted down by LITERALLY EVERYTHING ON CYBERTRON, this entire war was hopeless. And yet Primal managed to follow through.
I always was a bit disappointed that we never really got to see the original body with its cape off. Or even just more of his Dragon Mode. The glimpse we saw looked pretty awesome.
How does that suit cover him whenever he transforms to his robotic form? Like his dragon arm is a part of him and I'm assuming his eyes aren't the same normal like in BW because of the suit.
@@DaScorpionSting The suit actually has a separate pair of arms that interface with Megatron's head, and his eyes are more bestial and psychotic looking for the same reason Optimus Primal was brown just before becoming a transmetal: because Mainframe decided they could.
I mean, it’s just the Transmetal 2 body he got near the end of Beast Wars. Albeit with some cosmetic changes from attempts at removing his beast mode. So it isn’t anything we haven’t already seen before.
That glimpse was just footage from season 3, not even an altered model. Course I can almost see the logic in not creating an entire brand new model that only gets three seconds at most of screen time any time he has one of his anger issues.
As awesome as Beast Machines was (and yes, I know I'm in a minority here) I feel they missed an opportunity to expand on Megatron's conquering of Cybertron and purging all organic life. We all know that by the end of G1, Transformers on both sides were living on multiple planets with their allies both organic and robotic (i.e. Charr, Junk, Quintessa, or Nebulous, or even Earth), and the Autobots created a stable alliance with the humans to the point that some humans were living on Cybertron as direct allies to the Autobots. They could have written that both of these facts were very much still in effect by the time Beast Machines came around, and there were even colonies of humans living on Cybertron, and Megatron was bent on exterminating them since they are organic. And in the end they try to leave cybertron and look to the aforementioned allied planets for refuge, only to find that Megatron already sent Vehicons there to infect and capture the off world transformers and bring them back to Cybertron. nothing but death and destruction behind on each planet with all non cybertronian life destroyed, leaving the humans stranded on Cybertron. I think that could have added more to the story, with the technorganic Maximals trying to protect both the organic core and Human refugees.
As for how he destroyed the life on the allied planets so quickly, he used his transformer virus on the robotic planets and has a second virus that reduces organic life to ash on the molecular level in a matter of seconds. But he didn't use it on Cybertron for reasons that the human resistance doesn't know but are greatful for. Cybertron is a technosphere, so it wouldn't affect the planet. He could have easily destroyed the humans using that, so why didn't he? Then they meet the Maximals and finally get their answer; the organic core. Even a small use of the organic virus would infect it, and as much as Megatron wants it gone, he knows that using the virus would cause Cybertron to fall apart. So he can't use the organic virus to eradicate the human resistance, so instead he has to hunt them down the old fashioned way.
Considering Mainframe's previous work with human models on Reboot, having a mix of humans and Transformers in the same show wouldn't be very difficult.
I think the Transtech franchise would have gone into some of that, if Hasbro had decided to go with it instead of cancelling the Beast Era to import cheesy anime Transformers from Japan.
I was thinking about Megatron's ideal world of "technological perfection" guided by a single intelligence, and I suddenly had a vision of humanities future.
There actually aren't any continuity errors in Beast Machines, aside from a statement made by Primal in "The Reformatting," which could easily be reconciled as a figure of speech.
My only issue with Beast Machines is just how they changed Optimus personality from being a strong leader for ancestral peace (like in BW Episode 1) rather than him wanting to turn everything into plants literally.
That would be because it's the same character. Expunging the evils of free will is yet another hypocritical pretension in service of his unchained megalomania, similar to how he would rant over the "oppression" of the Predacons, when in reality he never cared about anyone but himself. He can talk all he wants about the negative ramifications of free will, but he still believes in his own free will; that's the only will that matters. At the end of the day he's always been a grandiose malignant narcissist with a god complex.
@@LordExor Oh I know they're the same character, which is why I said "again". It's just that it has been so long since we have heard him say 'Yeeeeesssss", something he used to do alot in BW. Same with the laugh that he does right after.
@@MrGiselbart He said it a lot more in Beast Wars, but he does say it here. He says it once in the first season, and then at least three times in the second. It tends to be delivered with a more sinister relish in Beast Machines.
What I really love about this Megatron is that he claims to be a better being now, with the intent of cleansing Cybertron for the greater good, and somewhat plays the role quite believably. But by the last episodes of the final season, as he starts losing everything to Optimus, only to then regain the advantage, his Beast Wars personality comes back into play tenfold (especially once he gets the Optimal body). He even starts saying “Yes” again as we neared the finale. All of which revealed that in the end, he couldn’t bother playing the facade anymore when it came to finally taking down Optimus, and showing his true colors again.
He said "yeeeeesss" multiple times in Season 1. I always considered it odd that so many people missed that. Most of the time, it's spoken with a sinister hiss rather than performed as a jovial embellishment, although the latter Beast Wars variant is present as well.
@@LordExor Does he?!? I only remember hearing it like 2-3 times, and then by Season 2's finale, he starts using it a lot again once his new body starts being built
@@DisneyNAW Not with as much frequency as Beast Wars, but I recall four times in Season 1 and five times in Season 2. Megatron has less screen time in Beast Machines overall, with several episodes not even featuring him. They were more reserved with its use, but when he does say it, it's typically more impactful. They do a better job keeping the character consistent with his Beast Wars self than people give them credit for.
Why was this Megatron made into such a megalomaniacal madman? I mean, personally, I love it, but I'm not sure if it's appropriate for a children's cartoon. Looking back at this, I never realized how dark this version of Transformers was. it's actually ahead of its time!
Thats what makes him good. I never liked villains in kid shows that never did anything but talk and fail. Its boring. This megatron is probably the most dictatorial villain I've ever seen in a children's cartoon. He never killed anyone but all his speeches were menacing.
I didn’t watch BW, but from what I heard, near the end of the BW series, things became somewhat childish. I even saw a clip of Dragon Megatron wearing a powdered wig to look like a judge or something.
@@lel0uchvibritannia981 It wasn't towards the end. BW always had a humourous flair. But to say it was childish... Definitely not. More main characters died in BW than they did in BM. Hell, BW got really heavy in some places. Tbh it got heavier towards the end.
Honestly, prolly years of pent up hatred over losing, years of planning, and imo... Generation 1 Megatron is still kicking there in a way...even if his spark is supposedly back within its body lmao, so it's also likely a pure evil Decepticon side effect
I honestly like to believe that Megatron's story here, as well as the intentions of the writers, was to basically describe or explain how one would become a being like Unicron. Just how dark and twisted one would have to be to become like that. From conquering a planet, linking to the planet, controlling ever inch of the planet, and wanting to absorb every being into himself; Megatron was possibly on the course of becoming the next Unicron. Megacron as I call him.
I think the funniest thing to me is that, aside from the whole “core conscious” thing, the ideal Cybertron Megatron dreams of essentially is just normal Cybertron in almost every other continuity
Lol...remember on an episode called, Dark Design where Megatron reprogramed Rhinox as a Predicon and at the end of the episode he said they all have personality problems. lol. I was through smh
Yeah but this seems WAY TOO OOC even for Beast Wars Megatron. He wanted to rule yes but an idealistic crusade against all organic life to the point he's even trying to rid of himself of his own beast mode? I just feel like he went a bit nuts when he arrived on Cybertron a few weeks early. Then again honestly I don't like nor consider Beast Machines to be canon cause I will never forgive what this show did to Rinox.
Webshooters1 Out of character merely a term we fans use to force a character into a box to preserve our status quo. Most fans don't actually understand the characters not their core anyway instead they define them by whatever personality traits are most prominent. BM didn't make them out of character it revealed who they actually were beneath the surface most of them anyway. Let's look at Rattrap he was always a warrior always had the best weapons and was always cocky now take that character and strip away his weapons strip away his combat put him in a body with no weapons or means to physically defend itself. The cocky warrior is now powerless and a coward is revealed. Now Rattrap has a choice he can either redefine himself and find a new place or that coward will define him. That's the point of The Weak Component Rattrap has become so powerless and weak that he violates his principles. His whole perspective of Dinobot was never justified Rattrap never faced a situation that made him question who he was he never felt that lost how could he know what one would do now he does and just like Dinobot he makes the right choice and redefines himself. Silverbolt, in BW Silverbolt gave us glimpses of who he really was. Whenever his code failed him or someone he loved was hurt a savage and vengeful individual was revealed that his Knight code would bury shortly after. So who is Silverbolt without his code strip that away what are you left with you're left with a vengeful warrior. That's what happened Silverbolt had his honor and code stripped away from him and he liked it he liked being that free which fits his darker moments in BW, if his code was a sham this whole time than who is he? Who is Silverbolt beneath it all even his fans never asked who he was beyond his chivalry and honor. Rhinox was someone who valued nature and loved life now what happens Rhinox has that love of life turned against him. He risked everything to stop Megatron and none of it mattered yet another war began this one wiped out his species. Megatron used his free will to kill his species once there was no more free will there was peace now the maximals are trying to stop him yet Cybertron is at peace there is no war because no one disagrees while nature and individuality cause conflict and death and destruction. Megatron isn't wrong that's the scary part after an eternity Cybertron is at peace because there's no individuality, people use their free will to kill it's what Megatron did. Rhinox had everything he believed turned against him and it broke and corrupted him. None of these characters were ruined they were just put in situations that took what defined them and turned it against them forcing them to redefine themselves and some were broken by it. There's no such thing as being out of character because there is no consistent characterization for an individual, if you had everything that you defined yourself with stripped away you seriously wouldn't change massively it wouldn't crush you to pieces, you wouldn't become someone else?
I said the villains were out of character. If you took Beast Wars Megatron and compared him to his Beast Machines counterpart you'd get complete tonal whiplash. This Megatron lost everything that made him unique and stand out as his own instead becoming a generic villain. The wit and banter gone and stripped bare. As for Rinox he is also out of character. The Rinox I watched wouldn't be broken by what happened. He would still fight because at it's core if you don't have any free will you might as well be dead. Rinox understands that. Tankor doesn't. Can you understand how much of a betrayal it was to see Rinox turn upon his own friends and eventually Megatron himself even though he failed? As far as I'm concerned, that was not Rinox, when Megatron reprogrammed those bodies to house sparks he altered their persoanlites rendering alot of what you say moot because they weren't themselves but dark, twisted versions of who they once were.
BM Megatron seems like a logical evolution to BW Megatron to me. He had a god complex near the end of the previous series, and it just evolved into this. Doesn't explain the hatred for his beast mode but it's what it is.
The megatron from BW knew most of his liutenants wanted to seize power from him but he was arrogant enough to tolerate them and/or deal with them on his own terms. This Megatron clearly learnt from his mistakes cause he made sure to give his liutenants new bodies that wouldnt allow them to betray him.
now this just me personal opinion after thinking on it for a while but I think BM Megatron's hatred of organics is down to a wounded ego. We all know that Beast Wars Megs is very full of himself so naturally losing to the captain of a mere exploratory ship is humiliating to him and so Took out all his rage and frustration on his Organic beast mode blaming it for his lose instead of him being his own worst enemy and that eventually spiraled out into a general hatred for all organics and in the end like any Cult leader which Megatron kind of is He dosen't practice what he preaches, his ultimate plan to become a god by absorbing every spark in Cybertron and The Matrix is ultimately for himself not cybertron as he claims he just simply wants to so powerful he can never lose or fail again.
That could be part of it. I think the idea behind hating organics, thematically, was the association with nature as uncontrollable and chaotic. Megatron wants to create a world of perfect order without unpredictability or deviation. Basically, Megatron is a control freak; he has major control issues. His own beast form reminds him of his own tenuous grasp on control since his emotions can blossom into unproductive rage. So, he sees organics as a contamination because they propagate chaos in an alleged utopia of efficient machines.
Mike Gilbert maybe the oracle is a goddess who made a deal with the creater's of cybertron to still have some of the organic around but within it's core.
The difference between Beast Wars Megatron and Beast Machines Megatron despite being the same character: In Beast Wars, he had a more comedic side while in Beast Machines, he is more cold and all business
Jordan Ehdieb The burden of proof is on you, friend. You made the claim Beast Machines was the worst series, now provide us with what I can only imagine will be a well-constructed argument proving as such.
You want an argument? Alright. Where shall I begin? Ah yeeesss. Let's start with the premise. The idea of the entire series beginning with the maximals making a stupid mistake is ridiculous, but it's plausible and makes sense so whatever. I like the setting, the atmosphere and the idea that Megatron has taken over Cybertron. The music is okay but the theme tune could be better, since its tempo is too high IMO. The animation by Mainframe is ofc excellent, and I love the expressiveness of the characters, which is something I love about Beast Wars. The voice acting is OK to very good with Kaye's Megatron being the best imo. Of course by now you're probably wondering why I said it was the worst series. Where the series fails is in its moral, its message, its delusion of grandeur and its failure to escape from tired old cliches that prevent it from being more than a half baked cookie. It tries to tackle weighty concepts, but oversimplifies and ends up being nothing more than another good vs evil story. Megatron is presented as evil and optimus as good, yet in reality optimus' cause is hollow and misguided, but he is followed as the hero throughout and, because it's clichéd rubbish, he wins in the end with no explanation and no sense. He magically gains the ability to turn mechanical matter into organic and defeats Megatron thanks to cheating. I mean seriously it's the worst ending ever, and I could not help but feel sorry for Megatron as he fell down the hole, because he wasn't defeated by a worthy adversary but bad writing. Let's now move on to the inconsistencies and retcons. So in G1 (which this series claims to be a continuation of) it is established that Cybertron is an entirely mechanical planet built by the Quintessons as a factory. Now all of a sudden the planet has fossils, stone and, more unbelievably, an "organic core". Wtf does that even mean? How the hell can a planet, if not a space factory but a proper planet, have a core of anything but metal, molten or not? It makes no sense! Then of course we have the Oracle. What. The. Hell. So not only do we have the organic core bullshit but now we have this insane ai that thinks the planet should be "balanced"? Who the hell built that ai? Who built Cybertron if not the Quintessons? Why would that ai suddenly start thinking the way it does after millions of years of Cybertron's existence? I could ask a hundred questions and there would be no answer because the writing is terrible. Then of course we have the much loved redesigns of the Maximals (sarcasm). What the hell were they thinking? They don't look like badass robots they look like mutant freaks! Then the combat. The endless boring action scenes that are poorly animated, poorly paced and poorly choreographed. Example, in the video Optimus gets dragon-Megatron in a headlock then Megatron blasts a mirror and they magically separate? Wtf is that?
The only good fight is between Optimal Megatron and Primal at the end, and that one is far too short. The maximals all have lame abilities, they're weak and their new forms are blatant toy selling techniques as they were in Beast Wars. Yet always I go back to that damned ending. It's horrendous. It's an abomination. It's the lamest copout ever just so crazy nutcase Primal can win and turn Cybertron into a mess. All the way throughout the story Megatron is presented as having the most logical, sensible cause and yet he loses to a cheating bastard and a malfunctioning ai. It's not satisfying at all. Overall the series tries to be clever but is let down by many many things and ends up just being dumb.
I feel David Kaye's voice acting performance in this series was far better than it was in the other series like: Armada, Energon and Cybertron. His voices is deeper and more menacing.
If you think you've written the awesomest villain ever, who is just so cool and smart that you don't care if the whole story gets sucked into his orbit, ask yourself: Are they at least as cool as this?
I know it will never happen but I think an excellent prequel to Beast Machines could be focused on the events of Megatron falling off the Hall of the returning Autobot shuttle at the conclusion of Beast Wars into the timestream and everything he did to conquer Cybertron and defeat the maximals and Predacons that works just in time to Cybertron before the autobot shuttle slipped out of the time stream and the Beast Machines began. He also has a nasty scar over his right eye and I always wondered how that happened.
Gd. Now that's a version of himself I think even TFP Megatron would hate. Seeking control is one thing, but absorbing the sparks of all Cybertronians? Bit too far for the Corrupted Freedom Fighter, I think.
Autobot Sideswipe True, but while it's not confirmed that they have sparks, the comics released in Russia portray TFP vehicons as individuals. Unique personalities (heck, even unique voices; whenever one of them got lines in the show, they didn't lean on just one member of the main cast) in generic bodies. I still personally think TFP Megs had limits that simply don't exist for Beast!Megs. I think TFP Megs would enjoy kicking the scrap out of Beast!Megs, in fact, I think he might even let Optimus help, he'd hate him so much.
@@its-amemegatron.9521 Well according to Nemesis Part 1/2 in Beast Wars, he was named after a totally unrelated Megatron from before G1 Megs, but that's pretty much been forgotten by all but the most devoted lore nerds (and not for lack of reason).
come to think of it. Megatron loves machines because they lack feelings and are just tools, and can end all conflicts but will lack life and emotions.. Optimus Prime wants free will(aka organic life forms), but hence will have conflict because of disagreeing minds and emotions. Both of these leaders have great valid points. Transcend at the very end :). I love it ^__^.
@@LordExor yeah well Optimus was focusing on spirituality aspect (sparks, contacting oracle, aka the energy universe around), likewise with Megatron, but Megatron doesn't want to have individuality and want to command due to the fact that he got betrayed so many times, which i totally understand why. If he didn't get betrayed so much...maybe this show wasn't necessary :).
@@LordExor idk if u saw Megatron and Optimus talk about how their visions are. Both visions of freedom and single collective mind have pros and cons. It’s up to like the world/universe to decide really. We are just seeing both sides of it and how it feels to be like a zombie(vehicons) vs Maximals(with feelings)
I also don't want to sound like I'm justifying the character. His actions were wrong, but in beast wars while he was really just an egomaniac serving himself. He really believed he was doing it for his people and culture. Whether he secretly believed or agreed with their culture or not. But in beast machines he was trying to do something different, the trauma of what was done to him and clone dinobots betrayal and many other factors drove him to reject factions and ideology. I kind of think to him vehicon was about ending factions. He needed his army to be drones so it wouldn't be a faction. I think if anything he didn't want competing ideologies to exist. Obviously wrong and evil. But people do create wars and violence. Which he was trying to end. Only no doubt if he'd won he'd have attacked the galaxy. Which would be a very good reason for needing to defeat him.
I like to believe megatron's experience in the beast wars showed him that the individuality of his predacons lead to his defeat, so re concluded that sparkless cybertronians would be better to avoid the same result.
Devin Leber yep, just reused the animation. Didn’t even bother changing the textures either so it looks like he’s still fully organic and not hacked up to pieces from him trying to get the organic off of him.
Seeing people have debates about who themost evil messed up villainis. Very rarely see megatron mentioned and if he is its g1 or wars. This megatron does more evil than the devil in the Bible or Palpatine. He is probably in the top 5 most evil fictional villains ever created inhuman history.
I would like to point out on big flaw with Megatron’s master plan for uniting all the sparks, it’s one I like to call the “Hammond Principle” after John Hammond from Jurassic Park. This principle is based off a phrase used by Ian Malcom to explain the park’s biggest flaw: “Life Finds a Way!” So even if Megatron had defeated Primal and succeeded in uniting all the sparks, there’s no way it would’ve lasted as long as he thought it could. Either Primal would’ve broken free on his own, or a new Maximal with a spark that Megatron is incapable of absorbing and/or controlling and/or destroying would’ve been born to undo everything Megatron built. What he sought to do was restrict life to follow his flawed vision, but whenever someone tries to play God, it ALWAYS backfires horribly (even if you don’t believe in God)!
Megatron and the Vechicons were the only thing that kept me interested in this series. I hated what they had done to the Maximals the worst being turning Ratrap who was the hardcore veteran commando in Beast Wars into a technical support bot!
No he was all kinds of bad-ass, take this quote for example from a Beast Wars Episode... "Give it up Sentinel, you don't have a chance because I'm a stealth fighter, a master marksmen... and a demolition expert!" & then in Beast Machines he became technical support on two wheels with no offensive abilities... WTF!?!
Kolonel Grotskull Okay, I'm kind of torn here, on one hand I actually LIKED Rattraps new look, those wheels actually came in handy sometimes. On the OTHER hand giving Rattrap NO long range weapons was just stupid. Even CHEETOR could use his blades as a throwing weapon when enemies were out of reach but poor Rattrap had to get up close and personal... Even when he had to AVOID that sort of thing...
What's even more disturbing about Megatron, is how long he was isolated on the planet. Were his robots just stationary statues or did he go out of his way to simulate a thriving society with biker drones flooding the streets and jet drones zipping by from time to time or tank drones voicelessly fighting to give the impression of personality? The thought of isolation is further supported in episode 3. Megatron just used his beast mode after who knows how long, and needed answers to why he transformed, so he created a maintenance bot to be his personal nurse. Giving a sigh of relief when another voice gave him good news in a very long time. Even how he interacts with his generals. He talks to them like constructs and punishes them far more harshly than any of the predacons he controlled prior. Rhinox being in control of the Tankor body is a perfect example. Instead of mentioning him by name, Megatron reminds the tank general that he is nothing more than a ghost in a machine. His maintenance bot suggesting free will was enough to enrage Megatron, proving that the little guy is nothing more than his programmed yes man.
@@lightheart5 Megatron's motives were cogent and clearly elucidated throughout the cartoon. Palpatine's motives are only sensical if you read the novelization and online databank, and even then, why would he give the galaxy 16 hours to prepare themselves for his onslaught? Why did he announce himself before his fleet was prepared? Why did he command Kylo to exterminate Rey even though he clearly wanted her as a vessel for his spirit? Wouldn't it have been better to ask Kylo to deliver her to him? Why did he inform Rey of his intention to possess her? Megatron has none of these inconsistencies; he outsmarts his enemies up until the very last moments of the show.
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One thing I really enjoyed about BM Megs was that his helmet was basically a cage, adding on to how he knows how bestial he is, and is effectively trying to muzzle himself.
Ahh, it's like hannibal lecter
Another thing I always thought was odd was that, aside from flashbacks, the show always went out of it's way to never show Megatron in his robot mode when he was on Cybertron. Everytime he fell out of his command harness thing he reverted to beast mode and every time he went back in it he transformed back to robot mode which you can make out for a instant but that was all. I took it as maybe Megatron was embarrassed to be seen in his robot mode since it still had beast parts, one his arms was basically a dragon's head.
I don't know, there were a lot of inconsistencies between Beast Wars and Beast Machines. Megatron, for example, seemed to almost revel in his beast forms, especially the dragon, in Beast Wars but was disgusted by it in Beast Machines.
@@177SCmaro Asides from the actual Transmetal II Megs model itself actually having no texture changes compared to the more mutilated, scarred, almost sickly looking dragon mode, I think it makes sense that he didn't really want to be seen as such, since he's had enough time alone to basically kill everyone but himself and choose to blame the beast mode for his humiliation on Earth since there were no tarantulas or raptors to blame (didn't know about Dinobot II sending the shuttle data) for his defeat on the Nemesis.
@@neuronoc.7343 Yeah, maybe. Megaton's physiological state is an interesting thing to consider given it has real world implications especially among people who self-harm or with body issues/see their own body, or aspects of it, as the source of all their problems in life.
Megatron's greatest character flaw has always been his own self-important megalomania, his own inflated ego, leading him to blame every failure on someone or something external to himself/his own mind. Blaming his transmetal beast mode, despite it having nothing to do with his failure and actually being a product of his own quest for power (he deliberately chose to temporarily carry the Spark of the original Megatron to augment his body as had happened to Optimus) definity falls into the pattern.
Ultimately, Megatron's "Beast" wasn't without, it was within - his own selfishness and egocentrism, his vanity, was the beast Megatron could never overcome or separate from himself and was, eventually, his own undoing.
@177SCmaro I mean he could take the head off, the wings on the other hand, yeah😅😅😅 he was stuck with them
"So misshapen."
- Megatron, in the form of a rugby helm dangling from a ceiling cable and draped in a curtain
with a crippled pealed dragon corpse mangled underneath
@@kR-qj7rw Yeah It's just Transmetal 2 Megatron in a Rugby Suit
Well he was attempting to remove his beast mode, so it’s not like he was being hypocritical.
it makes you wonder what happened to his robot form between the end of beast wars and here.
@@Laserbeak316 Megatron was hypocritical in a sense. As one of his drones pointed out, it was possible to simply remove his spark and place it in another body but Megatron feared being put in this vulnerable state so much he hung onto his current body and it's beast mode. In other words, maintaining his organic components was worth it to him to not risk his life yet he expected others to risk theirs and to purge their organics from themselves and he was even willing to impose this on them by force, something he was not willing to do himself.
For anyone who thinks this megatron is out of character remember, gaining true power changes people...even the bad one. Megatron had gone from a charismatic renegade to the ruler of cybertron, its only natural that his attitude and manner would change.
PAUL KING what people don’t really like is how he becomes this. It’s a complete 180 from what Megatron was in BW to what he becomes in BM. His original goal was to rule Cybertron along with his fellow Predacon brethren. Now he’s developed this god complex. This ideology of technological perfection. Many fans are confused as to what would cause him to become what we see him as in beast machines. I have my own theory. That theory is that his experiences during the Beast Wars caused him to really fall out of place with everyone else. What I mean is that it was likely the constant betrayals from his subordinates( Dinobot, Starscream but then again he was expecting that one considering his history of treachery, Terrorsaur, Blackarachnia, Tarantulas, Quickstrike, Waspinator,though he abandoned the cons due to being constantly blown up so you can take this part with a grain of salt, and then finally, Transmetal 2 Dinobot) that was the first steps to this god complex. He hated betrayal, hated those who wanted to destroy him and take his place. He believed that the organic modes that these subordinates took were the cause of the betrayals. That their beast modes caused them to act out irrationally, rather than working cohesively. That their own ideas were what lead to the Predacons defeat, which could explain as to why he hates organics and/or organic beast modes. And he believed that with a single, hive-mind like intelligence, that no one would ever betray him again.
@@kevinsanchez4808 Now that's an awesome theory, I just believed that he had a god complex and I never had a problem with him to begin with.
I agree - Megatron's god complex and hatred of organic modes are likely a result of all the betrayals and defeats he suffered over the course of the Beast Wars. Not to mention temporarily sharing his body with the spark of the G1 Megatron may have had long-term effects on his sanity as well.
MegaFafnir that’s another fair point. I know he returned G1 Megatron’s spark back to him, but you’re right. Having his spark mingled with his own may have caused long term effects on him. One other thing about the betrayals is how they start with Dinobot, and end with Dinobot. So Dinobot may very well have had a big influence on how Megatron would become in Beast Machines. As well as what Ravage told him. “I served under the original Megatron. You have his name, but not his army”. So Ravages’ words also carried a good degree of weight.
Keep in mind that developed a distaste for individuality, as he doesn’t seem to value the presence of his generals; the TF wiki even states that he prefers mindless drones
If there's anything I can give this show, this is without a doubt the most successful version of Megatron to date
Not the most enjoyable
Being a dark, pure evil psychopath is very enjoyable.
@@LordExor honestly to me his whole plan just seemed to amount to "i'm gonna take away all free will so no one can argue against me" like there wasn't much depth to him.
@@pforgottonsoul What do you consider to be depth?
Yeeeeeeees
The Beast Era Megatron has been stated to be the greatest villain in the history of the Transformers. And there are two reasons. One: altering history. Remember the mountain that he destroyed during the Beast Wars? Two: took over Cybertron and stole all the sparks on the planet, apart from a handfull of maximal. This also makes Primal the createst hero of the planet.
I would argue that he wasn’t the greatest for one reason. He failed to achieve to original design. Beast wars Megatron original goal was to gather enough energeon on earth to conquer cybertron. Or to kill Optimus Prime so when the decepticons awake they conquer the planet unchallenged. There is way more to this story my theory has been that Megatron tried to rally the predacons to rise up offering the advancements he made on earth to them and them refusing him.
@@Phantom19913 Oh, the Energon gathering was done due to the real plan of altering history being far too risky. But due to the Maximals efforts, Beast Megatrons plans started to go more insane as the story went on. I would still argue that he was the greastest villain in atleast the western Beast Wars continuity, especially due to the Spark Wars in Beast Machines.
On other continuities, this can be argued against, due to characters like IDW Shockwave, Overlord and Tarn, Cybertron Megatron/Galvatron and the Singularity Unicron.
@@SleepingGroke that’s the thing about megatrons plan. It’s always rotating changing to the latest discovery the purge of the organic on cybertron, the whole becoming a god. But of what an empty and dead planet.
Then let’s talk about why he suddenly hates free will and beast modes is because he lost the beast wars and hated the reminder of it.
@@Phantom19913 His hatred for beast modes and anything organic? Can't really say that he ever cared for the beast modes, it was mostly for protection for the raw energon radiation, and the Transmetal upgrades were either forced on by transwarp energy or a grasp for power with the G1 Megatrons spark. I would argue that if he had the chance during the Beast Wars to get rid of the beast mode, he would have.
The hatred for free will however can be blamed on the predacon crew he had. Being backstabbed at any opportunity the likes of Terrorsaur, Tarantulas and Blackarachnia had, the constant failures of Scorponok and Waspinator, the unpredictability of Rampage, Inferno and Quickstrike.
Beast Megatron only used them because those were his best option at the time, but when he managed to get back to Cybertron, the madness caused by the Beast Wars was given the opportunity to go all out.
"Til all are one."
Think about it.
My mind is fucking blown right now holy shit 😱
@@saviitrius Megatron took the saying in a literal sense.
` ` Til All are One...` `
` `Ｔ ｉ ｌ ａ ｌ ｌ ａ ｒ ｅ O̸͗ͅ ̶̪̩̎̊ ̷͉̕ ̸̗͆̽N̶̦̂͂ ̷̬̬̂͐ ̶̫͊͠ ̵͖̮̓̓E̵̲͗ ` `
@@nicholascapeheart1422 Exactly. Creepy isn't it?
@@TarboGreatApe its creepy..and Morbidly Ironic
I really enjoyed Megatrons development over the two series. In the first season of Beast Wars he was a joke and a buffoon. But step by step he became a real threat, until he became horrifying. In season one he was defeated by an energon fart. It kinda turned when he killed Primal, then he gleefully tried to genocide humanity, then he broke time itsself, then he killed everyone on cybertron; ate their souls and made weapons out of their corpses.
Classic!
Had this Magetron succeeded, he may have surpassed Unicron.
Adam Santer i could totally believe this Megatron would try to replace Primus and take control of all of Cybertron, including the ability to transform it. Then he might just spread his conquest to the entire galaxy at that point. We’re doomed.
@@crimsondynamo615 God-wannabe villains are the best kind of villains
He could potentially defeat a Primacronian Unicron, like the one featured in The Transformers: The Movie. He could also defeat some Non-Singularity Unicorns, like the one in the Prime Wars Trilogy, but probably not the one in the IDW comics. It is too close to call against the Uniend Singularity Unicron, especially because it was morphed into the Multiverse Singularity Unicron, when the barrier between the Aligned Continuity and the rest of the multiverse was breached by the Dark Spark Event. He might barely win against the Negative Polarity Unicron. Finally, he would only stand a small chance of beating the Multiversal Singularity Unicron if he gains the power of Logos Prime, also known as Soundblaster. In one timeline the Prime was intending to give all of his power to either a Optimus Primal or a BW Megatron. While that did not happen, it is possible that he tried again later. Allowing BW Megatron to have almost as much power over time as Vector Prime.
@@cossaizy6309 ikr
Absolutely.
David Kaye's voice for BM sounds so much more menacing and evil than in BW.
Yesssssss...............
If Jhaxus ever showed up in a cartoon, David Kaye should voice him. Despite Jhaxus acting like he's beyond the petty Deception/Autobot conflict, he was still an egomaniac who didn't care about anyone. In short, just like Megatron here in BM.
As a kid it seemed so weird that so much happened BEFORE the show but it makes sense now. Megatron fell off the shuttle as it was going through the Transwrap tunnel. He ended up back on Cybertron YEARS/Decades before the heroes so OF COURSE he had everything changed.
I always thought this Megatron was darker than Prime. Even more scarier. Sorry Frank Welker. I always thought Megatron was better in Machines as well. His voice actor, David Kaye, said Beast Wars was more Shakespearean while Beast Machines was more darker. He actually loved Beast Machines. I do as well. Beast Wars/Beast Machines has to be my favorite Megatron. :)
David Kaye liked Beast Machines?
I'm certain Welker agrees.
i agree
@@caelusprime5278 Megatron is his favourite role of his own. So I am not surprised that he likes Beast Machines.
This Megatron is probably my personal favorite interpretation of the character. He's probably the most sadistic, ruthless, egomaniacal, deplorable Cybertronian to ever bear the name of Megatron. He exterminates almost all life on Cybertron and turns them into mindless drones while devouring their sparks to deify himself. What nails it in the coffin for me was that Megatron was kind of right when he claims to have won the Beast Wars. Sure, he was stopped from destroying the Ark, but they lost at the very last minute. That one moment changed the entire tide of the Beast Wars and Megatron did it all by himself. What a badass.
Nazar Alaboosi I don't see any "hokey" helmet on him.
+Nazar Alaboosi No it doesn't.
It doesn't look anything like a football helmet.
+Nazar Alaboosi You care enough to bring it up apparently.
Shiro Nogitsune that was not helpful
Beast Wars was the best series, but this Megatron was the Best. Megatron. Ever.
keep megatron of yours i'll take soundwave
He certainly accomplished more than any other Megatron to date.
He won. In the finale he was mere seconds away from usurping Primus and becoming the god of a new generation of Cybertronians. Somewhat reminiscent of Makuta Teridax from Bionicle
Skywalker The Hedgefox keep your sound wave lol. This Megatron accomplished more than any other transformers villain ever written.
I agree
@@FireFeather214 prime Megatron almost
Okay, for any interested, I may have a theory that explains Megatron's transition regarding organic life from BW to BM.
First of all, Megatron hates failure, like who would enjoy failing, but he absolutely despises failure and incompetence. One quote comes from Beast Machines later half and really represents this: "I will brook no failure, not from anyone, not for any reason". It highlights Megatron's complete disdain with failing and how there are no excuses for it.
Now we have a post-Beast Wars Megatron, alone on Cybertron, to reflect on his experiences. He did not fulfill what he perceived as his grand destiny and so the Maximals continue to "rule over the Predacons". His machinations had put him on a level he even believed as to that of a god, yet that did not succeed. He accepts no excuses for failure, but, as we know, Megatron is very egotistical and narcissistic; his ego could never fully accept that he is to blame for failure. However, this time, there were no treacherous spiders scheming, no traitorous reptiles (he didn't know about Dinobot II sending the info to the Maximals), or incompetent minions; it was just him left. Megatron would never allow to idea that he is the main cause for such a colossal failure.
As such, he would look to himself and wonder, "What changed?" He succeeded in gathering a small renegade team, steal the Golden Disk, and travel into Earth's past to find a way to usurp the Maximals and rule Cybertron. He would come to the conclusion that he changed, though not himself, but his composition. It all started when he obtained that "accursed Beast Mode". What was once garnered with some affection would be seen as disgusting, vile, and unnecessary. Megatron is a Cybertronian and Cybertronians are "elegant machines"; there was no organic component in their makeup.
Therefore, Megatron's beast mode became a symbol of his failure, but he separates that from himself, treating it like a virus, a foreign thing latched onto him and not actually a part of him. This feeds into a hatred for organics and so Megatron seeks to purge all organics from the "purity and order" of Cybertron, as well as taking over said planet by ripping away other's free will.
Sorry for TLDR comment, but this is my theory I came up with after analyzing Megatron's character, events, and his mannerisms before and after the end of the Beast Wars
Wow... It was beautiful written
Fuck dude, I just thought he was just trying to not be hypocritical. What's interesting is that when the drone said he had a subconscious desire to keep his beast mode, Megatron didn't deny it. He just told the drone to leave.
@@saviitrius what episode was that
@@Alison-bn8vi I think it was "The Weak Component".
@@saviitrius Aw fuck that episode
I don't really mind his change from Wars to Machines. He was already insane by the end of Season 3 of BW, he just stopped being melodramatic
While that may be true, and while this exact form of takeover suits Beast Megatron to a “T”... I find it odd that he wants to purge himself of that powerful Dragon Beast Mode. Or that he treats it as a significantly harder task than switching to his pre-BW body.
@@kylestubbs8867 he's had time to think with himself until he feels disgust. In beast wars it was always supposed to be a temporary measure. I guess he regretted in retrospect. We don't know what he was like pre beast
@Malcolm Williams aye, I like that theory
@@kylestubbs8867 It's possible all the Transmetal upgrades and spark absorption messed up his body, but at the same time, Optimal Optimus went back to BW Season 1 Primal easily enough (tho that was because of a virus that eventually kills the target, so if that's his only option, it makes sense why he wouldn't take it).
I think it's his obsession with power that led him to hate his beast self. After achieving his ultimate goal of ruling cybertron he became obsessed with how to keep his power indefinitely. But his beast half proved to be an obstacle to that goal and like any obstacle in his way to power Megatron grew to hate it.
In terms of the voice, David Kaye plays Megatron better (imo) than Welker does. This Megatron's voice is deep and menacing. Welker's is menacing only.
Idk, I find something...almost forced in this version. This Megatron is a megalomaniac, desperately seeking his own ends. He's not completely grounded, and in reaching too high, makes a spoiled brat of himself. Welker's Megatron could be power-crazed, but there was always the foundation of a (mostly) realistic commander. He always felt more /mature/ to me.
Well, you're looking MUCH deeper into the voice than I am. I just enjoy the deep menacing tones.
Lol thanks. Can't help it. Consuming all media analytically heightens my enjoyment. Must be a Lit Major's tendency. :)
John Canary Hugo weaving and David Kaye are the best Megatron actors
Novus Talks weaving can’t even hold a candle to either Kaye or Welker imo.
This Megatron is a "I know he's near because I can hear his soundtrack" character
I just realised this Megatron look was a huge influence on the Bayverse Megatron design.
Also in the cancelled season 4 of Animated Megatron would get a new design with a mask on it similar to this
I think more so with Bayverse Galvatron than Megatron.
Yeah. The Bayverse Megatron headsculpt has a striking resemblance to the Grand Mal.
This is cool to see. I had a blast designing Megatron for and Art Directing Beast Machines so many years ago... nice to see people still enjoying it!
Wow! Thank you so much for your contributions! I've always loved the show's designs and art style. Megatron's design was amazing! What inspired your design process, if I may ask?
@@LordExor Funny you should ask, I just posted a video about it:
th-cam.com/video/Q8WSSTLFOtw/w-d-xo.html
I don't touch on Megatron in the video but I think I'll be doing a longer, more in depth video on the Art Direction process of the video down the road.
his voice is way deeper in beast machines
jthyn44
*mine*
I think if Kaye voiced Movie Megatron, this deep voice would work.
@@pp-wl1tf YESSSSSSS
And he doesn't say "Yes" as much as he used to
@@lightheart5 "No."
This Megatron is probably the most beautifully designed and well-purposed villain of the franchise.
Well yeah, he actually contributes to the themes of the show which is rare for Transformers
i have a theory about Magetron. in Beast Wars most of his troops betrayed him in someway at some point. here are some examples: Dinobot joined the Maximals in the beginning, Black Arachnia joined them near the end of the series, Tarantulus was always scheming behind Magetron's back, etc the list goes on. anyway my idea is that Megatron wanted mindless drones this time because with them you have an army with out the ability to plot and betray . not enough free will to choose their way over his way. plus when he did use the Generals, it was only 3 to keep the free minds to a minimum and he tried to control them by offering rewards and punishment. so what do you guys think of my idea?
Black arachnia was a maximal to begin with!
Though he didn't learn a thing from "Dark Designs" in season 1 of Beast Wars from recycling Rhinox's spark into Tankor because Tankor then schemed to betray and dispose of him and take over as ruler when Rhinox was reawakened just as he was gonna do in that episode.
@@sgtmyers88 very good point in that episode it was shown that if flipped to evil Rinox can an even worse betrayal master. So I guess megaton forgot about that little detail. Oh well.. his mistake. Oops 😅
and of the 3 only thrust stayed loyal as waspinator liked being useful.
@@megamike15 yes very good point. And I get the feeling that waspinator aka thrust likes working for Magatron. As long as the job doesn’t involve getting blown up too often.
This Megatron gave kids nightmares & an early dose of reality. Best Megs ever.
I can only describe this in one word
*YES*
I see Beast Machines get a lot of flak for some reason, but honestly, this version of Megatron far surpasses Beast Wars Megatron. In Beast Wars, Megatron was capable of bumbling, down-right idiocy and even slapstick comedy. Not so with Beast Machines Megatron, he was one hundred percent dead-serious and a permanent menace, all the time.
+Lord Proteus It's interesting how he underwent a character development usually reserved for protagonists. In Beast Wars he was the adventuring Prince; Jovial, young and rash but with a certain brilliance, out for victory and to forge a name for himself. In Beast Machines we see the Prince has become the King, Emperor even; Stoical, calculating, confident and experienced. This megatron isn't just the prodigy he was before, he now has the experience to back him up. He won a war, he defeated a planet. He knows what he's capable of and doesn't need to be cautious, not in the same manner as the Beast Wars era Megatron. If anyone was worthy of fearful respect, it's this incarnation of Megatron.
***** It had a bit of a more relatable story as well, what with finding balance between technology and nature.
+Shiro Nogitsune Having watched both shows over again, it's unnerving to know this was the same character having changed so drastically. It really solidifies his insanity, having gone from the somewhat charming, aspiring warlord to a complete and utter psychopath.
Having G1 Megatron's spark inside him probably had something to do with that.
John Canary Huh, I never thought of it that way but you're probably right.
Just my opinion but i like this Megatron. Hes unique in his own way
I don't know why some people hate Beast Machine series, this was the greatest series in the entire franchise. The pinnacle in terms of action, story, and characters.
This Megatron is an absolute psychopath. Where other variations killed you or enslaved you, this Megatron literally tore your very soul apart and turned you into a mindless drone if you were lucky otherwise you could have been minerals or something. Easily the most tyrannical version of Megatron of all time.
And Optimus Primal, perhaps the most heroic and also the greatest leader. Where the original Prime and others were outnumbered and had limited resources, they still had fighting chances for a full-frontal assault and all-out war.
This Optimus Primal had nothing, with only 6 or so Maximals, scarce resources or none at all, and being hunted down by LITERALLY EVERYTHING ON CYBERTRON, this entire war was hopeless. And yet Primal managed to follow through.
I think Diamonbolt explained it best in his Ruined Forever video. Go check out his video to see.
Exactly
It may be bad but god better than......yeah that prime continuity didn't deserve to exist
@@uainjansun You mean TF PRIME? W
@@uainjansun Transformers Prime is definitely better than this by miles.
I always was a bit disappointed that we never really got to see the original body with its cape off. Or even just more of his Dragon Mode. The glimpse we saw looked pretty awesome.
How does that suit cover him whenever he transforms to his robotic form? Like his dragon arm is a part of him and I'm assuming his eyes aren't the same normal like in BW because of the suit.
I’m fairly sure without the suit he’d look pretty close if not on point with his BW transmetal 2 form
@@DaScorpionSting The suit actually has a separate pair of arms that interface with Megatron's head, and his eyes are more bestial and psychotic looking for the same reason Optimus Primal was brown just before becoming a transmetal: because Mainframe decided they could.
I mean, it’s just the Transmetal 2 body he got near the end of Beast Wars. Albeit with some cosmetic changes from attempts at removing his beast mode.
So it isn’t anything we haven’t already seen before.
That glimpse was just footage from season 3, not even an altered model. Course I can almost see the logic in not creating an entire brand new model that only gets three seconds at most of screen time any time he has one of his anger issues.
As awesome as Beast Machines was (and yes, I know I'm in a minority here) I feel they missed an opportunity to expand on Megatron's conquering of Cybertron and purging all organic life. We all know that by the end of G1, Transformers on both sides were living on multiple planets with their allies both organic and robotic (i.e. Charr, Junk, Quintessa, or Nebulous, or even Earth), and the Autobots created a stable alliance with the humans to the point that some humans were living on Cybertron as direct allies to the Autobots. They could have written that both of these facts were very much still in effect by the time Beast Machines came around, and there were even colonies of humans living on Cybertron, and Megatron was bent on exterminating them since they are organic. And in the end they try to leave cybertron and look to the aforementioned allied planets for refuge, only to find that Megatron already sent Vehicons there to infect and capture the off world transformers and bring them back to Cybertron. nothing but death and destruction behind on each planet with all non cybertronian life destroyed, leaving the humans stranded on Cybertron. I think that could have added more to the story, with the technorganic Maximals trying to protect both the organic core and Human refugees.
Arthus850 dude you should work for IDW
Arthus850 These are some great ideas, I like BM also but I do agree it would have been more interesting to go this route.
As for how he destroyed the life on the allied planets so quickly, he used his transformer virus on the robotic planets and has a second virus that reduces organic life to ash on the molecular level in a matter of seconds. But he didn't use it on Cybertron for reasons that the human resistance doesn't know but are greatful for. Cybertron is a technosphere, so it wouldn't affect the planet. He could have easily destroyed the humans using that, so why didn't he? Then they meet the Maximals and finally get their answer; the organic core. Even a small use of the organic virus would infect it, and as much as Megatron wants it gone, he knows that using the virus would cause Cybertron to fall apart. So he can't use the organic virus to eradicate the human resistance, so instead he has to hunt them down the old fashioned way.
Considering Mainframe's previous work with human models on Reboot, having a mix of humans and Transformers in the same show wouldn't be very difficult.
I think the Transtech franchise would have gone into some of that, if Hasbro had decided to go with it instead of cancelling the Beast Era to import cheesy anime Transformers from Japan.
I was thinking about Megatron's ideal world of "technological perfection" guided by a single intelligence, and I suddenly had a vision of humanities future.
Sad thing is that there is truth to that. Many misanthropic collectivist ideologies are down right obsessed with their fever dream of utopia.
I love how when Megatron transforms, they didnt bother to make a new transformation model, he goes from Zombie dragon to bright shiny red.
Honestly megatron and the vehicons where the main highlights of beast machines for me.
No they weren't
The Optimal body, the prefect example of the boss getting severely nerfed when you play as him.
Only... inverted. Like the Scissors in _Sticker Star_ suddenly being a boss in _Origami King._
Vergil: im OP as both
Beast Machines Megatron is... excellent. Oh, yes indeed.
Beast Era Megs in general is the best
There actually aren't any continuity errors in Beast Machines, aside from a statement made by Primal in "The Reformatting," which could easily be reconciled as a figure of speech.
My only issue with Beast Machines is just how they changed Optimus personality from being a strong leader for ancestral peace (like in BW Episode 1) rather than him wanting to turn everything into plants literally.
@@GeteMachine Agreed that Optimus was lamer. He basically became a nature loving shaman who spent a bunch of time mediating.
for me the only mistakes of beast machines were the change in the personality of optimus, rhinox becoming a villain and the ending of waspinator
Shadow Ninja I feel it's a natural continuation of the meeting between organic and mechanical parts we already got in Beast Wars
Beast Machines Megatron became what he always wanted to be - a god.
Probably the most badass and intimidating Megatron ever.
Megatron's plan involved subsuming the essence of Primus, assimilating the All-Spark and effectively becoming God.
"My great ascension is finally complete. YEEEEESSS!" And then his laugh. For a moment he sounds like BW Megatron again :D
That would be because it's the same character. Expunging the evils of free will is yet another hypocritical pretension in service of his unchained megalomania, similar to how he would rant over the "oppression" of the Predacons, when in reality he never cared about anyone but himself. He can talk all he wants about the negative ramifications of free will, but he still believes in his own free will; that's the only will that matters. At the end of the day he's always been a grandiose malignant narcissist with a god complex.
@@LordExor Oh I know they're the same character, which is why I said "again". It's just that it has been so long since we have heard him say 'Yeeeeesssss", something he used to do alot in BW. Same with the laugh that he does right after.
@@MrGiselbart He said it a lot more in Beast Wars, but he does say it here. He says it once in the first season, and then at least three times in the second. It tends to be delivered with a more sinister relish in Beast Machines.
What I really love about this Megatron is that he claims to be a better being now, with the intent of cleansing Cybertron for the greater good, and somewhat plays the role quite believably. But by the last episodes of the final season, as he starts losing everything to Optimus, only to then regain the advantage, his Beast Wars personality comes back into play tenfold (especially once he gets the Optimal body). He even starts saying “Yes” again as we neared the finale. All of which revealed that in the end, he couldn’t bother playing the facade anymore when it came to finally taking down Optimus, and showing his true colors again.
He said "yeeeeesss" multiple times in Season 1. I always considered it odd that so many people missed that. Most of the time, it's spoken with a sinister hiss rather than performed as a jovial embellishment, although the latter Beast Wars variant is present as well.
@@LordExor Does he?!? I only remember hearing it like 2-3 times, and then by Season 2's finale, he starts using it a lot again once his new body starts being built
@@DisneyNAW Not with as much frequency as Beast Wars, but I recall four times in Season 1 and five times in Season 2. Megatron has less screen time in Beast Machines overall, with several episodes not even featuring him. They were more reserved with its use, but when he does say it, it's typically more impactful.
They do a better job keeping the character consistent with his Beast Wars self than people give them credit for.
Why was this Megatron made into such a megalomaniacal madman? I mean, personally, I love it, but I'm not sure if it's appropriate for a children's cartoon. Looking back at this, I never realized how dark this version of Transformers was. it's actually ahead of its time!
Alirio Mendez I wish this version could have stuck around longer .
Thats what makes him good. I never liked villains in kid shows that never did anything but talk and fail. Its boring. This megatron is probably the most dictatorial villain I've ever seen in a children's cartoon. He never killed anyone but all his speeches were menacing.
I didn’t watch BW, but from what I heard, near the end of the BW series, things became somewhat childish. I even saw a clip of Dragon Megatron wearing a powdered wig to look like a judge or something.
@@lel0uchvibritannia981 It wasn't towards the end. BW always had a humourous flair. But to say it was childish... Definitely not. More main characters died in BW than they did in BM. Hell, BW got really heavy in some places. Tbh it got heavier towards the end.
Honestly, prolly years of pent up hatred over losing, years of planning, and imo...
Generation 1 Megatron is still kicking there in a way...even if his spark is supposedly back within its body lmao, so it's also likely a pure evil Decepticon side effect
Yet another example of Beast Era Megatron's descent into madness.
David Kaye's impression is probably the smoothest impression
I don't know who did this, but it's great and well done. This person should be commended on their effort. The Beast Machines series was wonderful.
As far as Megatrons go, I personally love TF Prime Megs the most. But this guy comes in a super close second!
I honestly like to believe that Megatron's story here, as well as the intentions of the writers, was to basically describe or explain how one would become a being like Unicron. Just how dark and twisted one would have to be to become like that. From conquering a planet, linking to the planet, controlling ever inch of the planet, and wanting to absorb every being into himself; Megatron was possibly on the course of becoming the next Unicron. Megacron as I call him.
If there is one thing beast machines did, was make the best Megatron in history in my opinion.
Man Megatron was hell on wheels for Optimus
And TF Prime Starscream was... hell on heels for Megatron
I think the funniest thing to me is that, aside from the whole “core conscious” thing, the ideal Cybertron Megatron dreams of essentially is just normal Cybertron in almost every other continuity
Normal Cybertron has no free will?
All because he killed a real panda.
Nice reference.
Yesss. I may have PTSD, but THAT is a f*cking Maximal!
He didn't know that
@@lightheart5 Or does he
@@leo11lim He doesn't
Man, this was the greatest incarnation of Megatron in Transformers history! Now if only the rest of the series could have been this epic...☹
Just like in Transformers Prime.
"Decepticons, your rightful lord and master has returned."
The beast era gave rise to a lot of the most popular concepts in transformers history at least some of the most favorited in the aligned continuity
I think Megatron lost a few screws when he arrived on Cybertron early.
Lol...remember on an episode called, Dark Design where Megatron reprogramed Rhinox as a Predicon and at the end of the episode he said they all have personality problems. lol. I was through smh
Yeah but this seems WAY TOO OOC even for Beast Wars Megatron. He wanted to rule yes but an idealistic crusade against all organic life to the point he's even trying to rid of himself of his own beast mode? I just feel like he went a bit nuts when he arrived on Cybertron a few weeks early.
Then again honestly I don't like nor consider Beast Machines to be canon cause I will never forgive what this show did to Rinox.
Webshooters1 Out of character merely a term we fans use to force a character into a box to preserve our status quo. Most fans don't actually understand the characters not their core anyway instead they define them by whatever personality traits are most prominent. BM didn't make them out of character it revealed who they actually were beneath the surface most of them anyway.
Let's look at Rattrap he was always a warrior always had the best weapons and was always cocky now take that character and strip away his weapons strip away his combat put him in a body with no weapons or means to physically defend itself. The cocky warrior is now powerless and a coward is revealed. Now Rattrap has a choice he can either redefine himself and find a new place or that coward will define him. That's the point of The Weak Component Rattrap has become so powerless and weak that he violates his principles. His whole perspective of Dinobot was never justified Rattrap never faced a situation that made him question who he was he never felt that lost how could he know what one would do now he does and just like Dinobot he makes the right choice and redefines himself.
Silverbolt, in BW Silverbolt gave us glimpses of who he really was. Whenever his code failed him or someone he loved was hurt a savage and vengeful individual was revealed that his Knight code would bury shortly after. So who is Silverbolt without his code strip that away what are you left with you're left with a vengeful warrior. That's what happened Silverbolt had his honor and code stripped away from him and he liked it he liked being that free which fits his darker moments in BW, if his code was a sham this whole time than who is he? Who is Silverbolt beneath it all even his fans never asked who he was beyond his chivalry and honor.
Rhinox was someone who valued nature and loved life now what happens Rhinox has that love of life turned against him. He risked everything to stop Megatron and none of it mattered yet another war began this one wiped out his species. Megatron used his free will to kill his species once there was no more free will there was peace now the maximals are trying to stop him yet Cybertron is at peace there is no war because no one disagrees while nature and individuality cause conflict and death and destruction. Megatron isn't wrong that's the scary part after an eternity Cybertron is at peace because there's no individuality, people use their free will to kill it's what Megatron did. Rhinox had everything he believed turned against him and it broke and corrupted him.
None of these characters were ruined they were just put in situations that took what defined them and turned it against them forcing them to redefine themselves and some were broken by it. There's no such thing as being out of character because there is no consistent characterization for an individual, if you had everything that you defined yourself with stripped away you seriously wouldn't change massively it wouldn't crush you to pieces, you wouldn't become someone else?
Well said.
I said the villains were out of character. If you took Beast Wars Megatron and compared him to his Beast Machines counterpart you'd get complete tonal whiplash. This Megatron lost everything that made him unique and stand out as his own instead becoming a generic villain. The wit and banter gone and stripped bare.
As for Rinox he is also out of character. The Rinox I watched wouldn't be broken by what happened. He would still fight because at it's core if you don't have any free will you might as well be dead. Rinox understands that. Tankor doesn't. Can you understand how much of a betrayal it was to see Rinox turn upon his own friends and eventually Megatron himself even though he failed? As far as I'm concerned, that was not Rinox, when Megatron reprogrammed those bodies to house sparks he altered their persoanlites rendering alot of what you say moot because they weren't themselves but dark, twisted versions of who they once were.
I LOVE IT! One of the best lines ever, "An interesting tale, now here are meaningful words" Awesome
BM Megatron seems like a logical evolution to BW Megatron to me.
He had a god complex near the end of the previous series, and it just evolved into this.
Doesn't explain the hatred for his beast mode but it's what it is.
The megatron from BW knew most of his liutenants wanted to seize power from him but he was arrogant enough to tolerate them and/or deal with them on his own terms. This Megatron clearly learnt from his mistakes cause he made sure to give his liutenants new bodies that wouldnt allow them to betray him.
Whenever villains lose control of their creations, I always think back to this. Dr. Gero could learn a thing or two from Megatron.
now this just me personal opinion after thinking on it for a while but I think BM Megatron's hatred of organics is down to a wounded ego. We all know that Beast Wars Megs is very full of himself so naturally losing to the captain of a mere exploratory ship is humiliating to him and so Took out all his rage and frustration on his Organic beast mode blaming it for his lose instead of him being his own worst enemy and that eventually spiraled out into a general hatred for all organics and in the end like any Cult leader which Megatron kind of is He dosen't practice what he preaches, his ultimate plan to become a god by absorbing every spark in Cybertron and The Matrix is ultimately for himself not cybertron as he claims he just simply wants to so powerful he can never lose or fail again.
That could be part of it. I think the idea behind hating organics, thematically, was the association with nature as uncontrollable and chaotic. Megatron wants to create a world of perfect order without unpredictability or deviation. Basically, Megatron is a control freak; he has major control issues. His own beast form reminds him of his own tenuous grasp on control since his emotions can blossom into unproductive rage. So, he sees organics as a contamination because they propagate chaos in an alleged utopia of efficient machines.
@@LordExor there alternative universe where bw megatron wins BW
Those reasons and beign fused with G1 Megs spark to long ended up making him what he is in Beast Machines.
This show may have made mistakes, but it definitely didn't deserve an underrated reputation.
+Mike Gilbert it didn't not make any mistakes at all.
+Bunny Speed It was mostly around Cybertron's origins.
Mike Gilbert the oracle was around long before primus.
+Bunny Speed I guess some people didn't quite understand how Cybertron was an organic planet before becoming a machine one.
Mike Gilbert maybe the oracle is a goddess who made a deal with the creater's of cybertron to still have some of the organic around but within it's core.
Once a misguided Predacons fool, now the greatest hero on all of Cybertron.
Plus it's cool how this show references G1 stuff like the Key to Vector Sigma.
and Iacon
And the Hate Plague.
The difference between Beast Wars Megatron and Beast Machines Megatron despite being the same character: In Beast Wars, he had a more comedic side while in Beast Machines, he is more cold and all business
I am done playing games
Considering everything happened in Beast Wars,ı am suprised how he did not turned like that earlier. Especially after the Alien Space Ship ep.
The best Megatron in the worst series. G1 Megatron was bad, but he wasn't an insane, genocidal maniac.
beast machines is the best,not the worst!
How?
Jordan Ehdieb The burden of proof is on you, friend. You made the claim Beast Machines was the worst series, now provide us with what I can only imagine will be a well-constructed argument proving as such.
You want an argument? Alright. Where shall I begin? Ah yeeesss. Let's start with the premise. The idea of the entire series beginning with the maximals making a stupid mistake is ridiculous, but it's plausible and makes sense so whatever. I like the setting, the atmosphere and the idea that Megatron has taken over Cybertron. The music is okay but the theme tune could be better, since its tempo is too high IMO. The animation by Mainframe is ofc excellent, and I love the expressiveness of the characters, which is something I love about Beast Wars. The voice acting is OK to very good with Kaye's Megatron being the best imo.
Of course by now you're probably wondering why I said it was the worst series. Where the series fails is in its moral, its message, its delusion of grandeur and its failure to escape from tired old cliches that prevent it from being more than a half baked cookie.
It tries to tackle weighty concepts, but oversimplifies and ends up being nothing more than another good vs evil story. Megatron is presented as evil and optimus as good, yet in reality optimus' cause is hollow and misguided, but he is followed as the hero throughout and, because it's clichéd rubbish, he wins in the end with no explanation and no sense. He magically gains the ability to turn mechanical matter into organic and defeats Megatron thanks to cheating. I mean seriously it's the worst ending ever, and I could not help but feel sorry for Megatron as he fell down the hole, because he wasn't defeated by a worthy adversary but bad writing.
Let's now move on to the inconsistencies and retcons. So in G1 (which this series claims to be a continuation of) it is established that Cybertron is an entirely mechanical planet built by the Quintessons as a factory. Now all of a sudden the planet has fossils, stone and, more unbelievably, an "organic core". Wtf does that even mean? How the hell can a planet, if not a space factory but a proper planet, have a core of anything but metal, molten or not? It makes no sense! Then of course we have the Oracle. What. The. Hell. So not only do we have the organic core bullshit but now we have this insane ai that thinks the planet should be "balanced"? Who the hell built that ai? Who built Cybertron if not the Quintessons? Why would that ai suddenly start thinking the way it does after millions of years of Cybertron's existence? I could ask a hundred questions and there would be no answer because the writing is terrible.
Then of course we have the much loved redesigns of the Maximals (sarcasm). What the hell were they thinking? They don't look like badass robots they look like mutant freaks!
Then the combat. The endless boring action scenes that are poorly animated, poorly paced and poorly choreographed. Example, in the video Optimus gets dragon-Megatron in a headlock then Megatron blasts a mirror and they magically separate? Wtf is that?
The only good fight is between Optimal Megatron and Primal at the end, and that one is far too short. The maximals all have lame abilities, they're weak and their new forms are blatant toy selling techniques as they were in Beast Wars.
Yet always I go back to that damned ending. It's horrendous. It's an abomination. It's the lamest copout ever just so crazy nutcase Primal can win and turn Cybertron into a mess. All the way throughout the story Megatron is presented as having the most logical, sensible cause and yet he loses to a cheating bastard and a malfunctioning ai. It's not satisfying at all.
Overall the series tries to be clever but is let down by many many things and ends up just being dumb.
Everytime I see this Megatron, I think, "This guy would be a perfect Space Godzilla."
Now how do you figure that?Gman The Eldritch
Caithness19 Its David Kaye.
No more explanation needed.
I feel David Kaye's voice acting performance in this series was far better than it was in the other series like: Armada, Energon and Cybertron. His voices is deeper and more menacing.
If you think you've written the awesomest villain ever, who is just so cool and smart that you don't care if the whole story gets sucked into his orbit, ask yourself: Are they at least as cool as this?
Interesting character where he's not really evil just ambitious, well written character
I know it will never happen but I think an excellent prequel to Beast Machines could be focused on the events of Megatron falling off the Hall of the returning Autobot shuttle at the conclusion of Beast Wars into the timestream and everything he did to conquer Cybertron and defeat the maximals and Predacons that works just in time to Cybertron before the autobot shuttle slipped out of the time stream and the Beast Machines began. He also has a nasty scar over his right eye and I always wondered how that happened.
If this Megatron was a Digimon, he’ll be known as CyberGigamon.
"Just one single guiding intelligence..."
"... MINE."
- Lord Megatron
12:23 that is the greatest yesss I've heard in my entire life.
That’s good. Because it was also his last.
I must say Megatron is more intimidating here then he was in beast wars
This Megatron is the definition of pure tyranny
Gd. Now that's a version of himself I think even TFP Megatron would hate. Seeking control is one thing, but absorbing the sparks of all Cybertronians? Bit too far for the Corrupted Freedom Fighter, I think.
Natalia Watson TFP megatron already has a vehicon army
Autobot Sideswipe True, but while it's not confirmed that they have sparks, the comics released in Russia portray TFP vehicons as individuals. Unique personalities (heck, even unique voices; whenever one of them got lines in the show, they didn't lean on just one member of the main cast) in generic bodies. I still personally think TFP Megs had limits that simply don't exist for Beast!Megs. I think TFP Megs would enjoy kicking the scrap out of Beast!Megs, in fact, I think he might even let Optimus help, he'd hate him so much.
Natalia Watson
Technically this Megatron was a Predicon theif who named himself after the Decepticon leader Megatron.
Weird, I know.
@@its-amemegatron.9521 Well according to Nemesis Part 1/2 in Beast Wars, he was named after a totally unrelated Megatron from before G1 Megs, but that's pretty much been forgotten by all but the most devoted lore nerds (and not for lack of reason).
@@selinawalsh9075 Megatronus. The fallen.
come to think of it. Megatron loves machines because they lack feelings and are just tools, and can end all conflicts but will lack life and emotions.. Optimus Prime wants free will(aka organic life forms), but hence will have conflict because of disagreeing minds and emotions. Both of these leaders have great valid points. Transcend at the very end :). I love it ^__^.
You hit the nail on the head.
@@LordExor whatcha mean? lol i see both sides of the coin here.
@@dannylin5980 I mean you nailed the themes of the show.
@@LordExor yeah well Optimus was focusing on spirituality aspect (sparks, contacting oracle, aka the energy universe around), likewise with Megatron, but Megatron doesn't want to have individuality and want to command due to the fact that he got betrayed so many times, which i totally understand why. If he didn't get betrayed so much...maybe this show wasn't necessary :).
@@LordExor idk if u saw Megatron and Optimus talk about how their visions are. Both visions of freedom and single collective mind have pros and cons. It’s up to like the world/universe to decide really. We are just seeing both sides of it and how it feels to be like a zombie(vehicons) vs Maximals(with feelings)
3:08 If you watch closely you can make out that Megs still has his Transmetal 3 robot form right before he gets his metal cloak!
*Transmetal 2*
Every time I see a close-up of Megatron's eyes, I picture the headlights of a 2010 Chevy Camaro.
I also don't want to sound like I'm justifying the character. His actions were wrong, but in beast wars while he was really just an egomaniac serving himself. He really believed he was doing it for his people and culture. Whether he secretly believed or agreed with their culture or not.
But in beast machines he was trying to do something different, the trauma of what was done to him and clone dinobots betrayal and many other factors drove him to reject factions and ideology. I kind of think to him vehicon was about ending factions. He needed his army to be drones so it wouldn't be a faction. I think if anything he didn't want competing ideologies to exist. Obviously wrong and evil. But people do create wars and violence. Which he was trying to end. Only no doubt if he'd won he'd have attacked the galaxy. Which would be a very good reason for needing to defeat him.
I like to believe megatron's experience in the beast wars showed him that the individuality of his predacons lead to his defeat, so re concluded that sparkless cybertronians would be better to avoid the same result.
I think they reused transmetal 2 megatron's transformation from beast wars just edited it where his beast mode wings became his "cloak".
Devin Leber yep, just reused the animation. Didn’t even bother changing the textures either so it looks like he’s still fully organic and not hacked up to pieces from him trying to get the organic off of him.
LOVED the story.... couldn't get over the robot-modes
Never heard Obsidian's voice 'till just now. I like it!
It kinda reminds me of Prime Starscream.
Paul Dobson is just great
the OG Megatron: "That's my boy"
Seeing people have debates about who themost evil messed up villainis. Very rarely see megatron mentioned and if he is its g1 or wars. This megatron does more evil than the devil in the Bible or Palpatine. He is probably in the top 5 most evil fictional villains ever created inhuman history.
Megatron's definitely up there, but I don't know about worse than Palpatine. They're very similar characters though.
Years later and I still come back to this video because it’s just that good
he smiled so sweetly at 5:52. aww
I would like to point out on big flaw with Megatron’s master plan for uniting all the sparks, it’s one I like to call the “Hammond Principle” after John Hammond from Jurassic Park. This principle is based off a phrase used by Ian Malcom to explain the park’s biggest flaw: “Life Finds a Way!” So even if Megatron had defeated Primal and succeeded in uniting all the sparks, there’s no way it would’ve lasted as long as he thought it could. Either Primal would’ve broken free on his own, or a new Maximal with a spark that Megatron is incapable of absorbing and/or controlling and/or destroying would’ve been born to undo everything Megatron built. What he sought to do was restrict life to follow his flawed vision, but whenever someone tries to play God, it ALWAYS backfires horribly (even if you don’t believe in God)!
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g1 Megatron would be proud and tell this megs you did it
The end is near, Optimus Primal. Yessssss.
Oh now he's like Thanos.
This is the best Megatron in the cyberverse
12:23 Megatron's final "yeeeeeeessssss"
Megatron and the Vechicons were the only thing that kept me interested in this series. I hated what they had done to the Maximals the worst being turning Ratrap who was the hardcore veteran commando in Beast Wars into a technical support bot!
have to agree. You know i was expecting Jetstorm to become a dual personality for silverbolt that would have been interesting
Haseo55 What?! I thought Rattrap was just a spy/saboteur!
No he was all kinds of bad-ass, take this quote for example from a Beast Wars Episode...
"Give it up Sentinel, you don't have a chance because I'm a stealth fighter, a master marksmen... and a demolition expert!"
& then in Beast Machines he became technical support on two wheels with no offensive abilities... WTF!?!
Kolonel Grotskull Okay, I'm kind of torn here, on one hand I actually LIKED Rattraps new look, those wheels actually came in handy sometimes. On the OTHER hand giving Rattrap NO long range weapons was just stupid. Even CHEETOR could use his blades as a throwing weapon when enemies were out of reach but poor Rattrap had to get up close and personal... Even when he had to AVOID that sort of thing...
It was a deliberate character arc. They wanted to explore how a hardcore vet would react if he lost all his abilities.
A compilation on Beast era megatron
YEEEEESSSSSSSSSS
9:02 Best laugh
What's even more disturbing about Megatron, is how long he was isolated on the planet. Were his robots just stationary statues or did he go out of his way to simulate a thriving society with biker drones flooding the streets and jet drones zipping by from time to time or tank drones voicelessly fighting to give the impression of personality? The thought of isolation is further supported in episode 3. Megatron just used his beast mode after who knows how long, and needed answers to why he transformed, so he created a maintenance bot to be his personal nurse. Giving a sigh of relief when another voice gave him good news in a very long time. Even how he interacts with his generals. He talks to them like constructs and punishes them far more harshly than any of the predacons he controlled prior. Rhinox being in control of the Tankor body is a perfect example. Instead of mentioning him by name, Megatron reminds the tank general that he is nothing more than a ghost in a machine. His maintenance bot suggesting free will was enough to enrage Megatron, proving that the little guy is nothing more than his programmed yes man.
BM Megatron achieved more than G1 Megatron did when he ruled Cybertron with his vehicon army
Imagine if this version of Megatron worked with The Borg and Brainiac...
I just finished the show today it ain't the best but there's more good things them bad and this Megatron was a really good villain
This is where Disney stole their idea for palpatine.
If that's the case, then they should have stolen Megatron's competence too, because they wrote Palpatine as an inept buffoon in TROS.
@@LordExor LOL! roasted!
@@LordExor How?
@@lightheart5 Megatron's motives were cogent and clearly elucidated throughout the cartoon. Palpatine's motives are only sensical if you read the novelization and online databank, and even then, why would he give the galaxy 16 hours to prepare themselves for his onslaught? Why did he announce himself before his fleet was prepared? Why did he command Kylo to exterminate Rey even though he clearly wanted her as a vessel for his spirit? Wouldn't it have been better to ask Kylo to deliver her to him? Why did he inform Rey of his intention to possess her? Megatron has none of these inconsistencies; he outsmarts his enemies up until the very last moments of the show.
I swear, David Kaye will be excellent as Galvatron if he uses this voice.
I love his laugh 8:24
He has a glorious evil laugh.