Red Dead Redemption 2 - Law Enforcement Behavior Analysis
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 4 ส.ค. 2024
- Let's go for a yet another police / sheriff behavior analysis video. This time the video is about the Red Dead Redemption 2! Since the game has two agencies, police and sheriff, the video has been titled as "law enforcement" instead as this analyzes the two law enforcement agencies in the game, their A.I behavior and so on.
Red Dead Redemption 2 was developed by Rockstar Studios. Released in 2018 / 2019 to consoles, Windows and Stadia respectively.
As always, this video is not commentary and if you have any feedback, suggestions, etc, please do let me know in comments!
0:00 Introduction
0:38 Law Enforcement Introduction
2:14 Bounty system and getting arrested
3:30 Paying off your bounty
3:54 Wanted System
12:16 General Behavior
14:17 Issues
16:00 Conclusion
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You forgot to mention that when you rob a store, lose your level, and go back, if a lawman sees you go in, he will watch you through the window to make sure you don't rob it again
It didn't knew that
I get more impressed with this game
This game is insane
NPC: *Starts shooting me*
Law: *Fine*
Me: *Shoots back*
Law: *N O*
Actually that never happened to me. When an npc starts shooting me the sheriff will kill the npc
@@I_literally_dont_know It can sometimes take a while for the cops to react though, it's very inconsistent.
Sometimes they will start chasing the dude even if they are like 50 feet away, and sometimes they will only shoot him if the dude happens to shoot near the cop.
@David Stinger well that's a detail, the sheriffs actually like to look at brawls and fights and sometimes they don't like to bcuz there mood? I guess?
@@I_literally_dont_know Not really, the sheriff will literally wait until HE'S THE ONE BEING SHOT AT and only then he'll take action.
That happened to me. Two guys pulled out their guns and started shooting, i shot both of them and got arrested for the fifth time in 9 minutes
i like how in red dead redemption 1 u can keep killing the law until they stop spawning in. now its just an infinite amount of cops
yep also why tf the bounty is still the same AFTER you die? in RDR1 if you died you respawn in your safehouse almost as if that never happened
@@deadchanneldontwatch7347 Because its a story driven game so there are effecfts that happen depending on what you dk
@@deadchanneldontwatch7347 if it gets erased then it will continue to encourage the player to commit crimes and get away with it just by losing a few seconds.
Yeah yoy can do that in this game if you are outside a town or city
@@mhm3766 still if you have a bandana on they shouldnt be able to identify you pernanently. it should disguise you fully until you take it off. the rdr2 wanted system sucks and its not fun
You forgot to mention: witnesses that saw you committing a crime from a long distance the witness icon will be dark red as well as the "witness" sign in the top right corner of the screen, if they manage to call the lawman it will give you a dark red "wanted" sign investigation (unknown suspect even without a mask).
If you manage to catch up to the dark red witness and he sees you, his icon will turn bright red because he has full description of the suspect.
Wow how long it must take to implent all the detail in the game
But rockstar should focus more on the overall realism not obly the small ones
@@yahu5988 there shooting mechanics also need improvement its somewhat okayish
But atleast rdr2 has a good control settings so you can improve the shooting
@@Jimj-r3b Play with free aim, the shooting is very good
@@yahu5988 They focused on every single big and smal thing mate, everything
@@yahu5988 Dude, the wanted level is one of the most important aspects of such open world games, it can ruin everything.
In comparasion to the rest of the game this is the minimum they could've done.
**kills guy for self defense**
Random dude:iMA gEt tHE lAW oN yOU!
While to a random civilian, it would be dumb to say Arthur murdered someone instead of acting in self defense, Arthur is an outlaw. Legally he has no rights. He is not protected by the law and is perpetually wanted.
@@parkourpotato6066 i know im just saying with rockstar logic.
Pesky Hair I know I just needed to ruin the joke by being technical 🤓
@@parkourpotato6066 :/
1 time i fought some raider in saint denis. Raider pulled a knife and started slashing me.
Started defending myself, there was a random officer just watching the whole thing, not even bothering to arrest the perp.
After a beat down the slasher in self defense, the cop then attacked me for "murder".
Then here’s me with a $1500 dollar bounty in every state
you can let lawmen arrest you to get rid of the bounties
@@n4mel3ssw0lf8 but won't you lose money
if you dont have much then yeah this is a good method if you're rich then no
Nice work! I loved the detail in RDR2, like that you can bring an escaped prisoner to the next sheriff for a money reward and that you can have a friendly chat with almost every NPC. The police Al. can only agree, got wanted once because someone bumped into me and died. Another time just because someone saw me next to a dead guy, who had tried to rob me.
The searching zone, had once an encounter that was the opposite of yours. In the mission you assault the hideout with Sadie, I spent my time looting bodies before Law was alerted for some reason, but suspect was unknown. Realizing I couldn't get away in time, I hid on the first floor in the house. After a few minutes, the Sheriff called off the investigation, despite the status not clearing due to me being on the circle
Me and the Jesses
In the same mission I tried to hide on the first floor as well but one cop decided to search so I attacked him with knife and killed him silently . Of course, cause of super Ai Rockstar system, everyone understood my act so I had to kill every cop, then run away from red zone, wait for the new wave of sheriff come and search the area and when they left I returned and looted everything
That actually makes sense if you think about it though. When you're in the middle of a crime scene when the law comes to investigate, they won't know who you to apprehend (hence the UNKNOWN SUSPECT label on your WANTED sign). So if you hide in the crime circle until they call off the search, they won't hassle you if you come out of hiding afterwards.
Here's another cool thing with the sheriff A. I. If you kill an NPC in the wilderness and wait until a search party shows up. They will start to investigate the area but if they don't find a suspect they will pick up the body/bodies and put them on their horses to "clean up the area" and then ride away.
Really like how the A. I. works in RDR2. Can't wait to see what Rockstar does next with GTA VI!
I wouldn't be surprised if that mechanic was inspired from Mafia 2 cops cos that's what they often (if not always) do. They respond to dead persons, check the body and such before returning back on patrol.
@@Thekillergreece Definitely! It's pretty crazy to think how far both Mafia I and II was for it's time!
they also take the wagons
The bounty hunters also do that in the mission where you save Sean, if you wait for them to show up.
@@Thekillergreece Rdr2 is miles better than mafia 2
Awesome analysis but you didnt mention the law response when robbing a train, which is one of the biggest issues with the wanted system.
Is that the one where they follow you despite not knowing where you are?
@@flying_Night_slasher yeah, they just spawn and zoom towards you no matter how much you try to run.
If In rdo they bring a lawman role I'm going for blackwater
Just download RDRFR, RagePlugin Hook, and ScriptHookRDR2 into your game, you can become an army soldier in Fort Wallace, a lawman/officer in Saint Denis or Blackwater, or a sheriff's deputy in any of the towns. You can even be a Pinkerton or a Marshal. You can actually arrest and respond to calls by civilians with this mod. It's still in Alpha stage (not even Beta), so beware of some bugs. Just head up to a police station that's marked in your map with the mod, go to the desk, go on duty (Holding E) and then go to the bed or coat hanger and then click an outfit.
@@cameronsworld9 I'm on ps5 but if I get a pc that'll be the first thing I do in online
@@englishpatriot545if you get a PC, you can't do that on online, you gotta be in story mode, atleast chapter 2 so you can free roam, because you can get banned in RDRO
@@cameronsworld9 oh, still sounds good tho
@@englishpatriot545 sure does, I got it installed on my game rn, runs good. just make sure to install ScriptHookRDR2 with the RDRFR, or it will lag
I love that your whole channel is dedicated to this particular niche
There’s a detail I noticed while playing with cheats, if you use the clear wanted level and remove bounty cheats, the cops will still be suspicious of you and try to go to great lengths to watch you secretly. I remember being confused on why I was getting a wanted level so quick and saw a cop on a roof who was watching me
thats not just with the cheats, if cops are just suspicous always, they will watch you close.
Both GTA 5 & RDR2 law system is terribly annoying, hope they get this shit right in future games, the main issue with RDR2 is the infinite and unrealistic spawning the law has.
Skill issues
True
@@rayvee2837Okay, buzz-worder.
I think the wanted system is extremely half baked. They can make horse balls react realistically but the police know about crimes and have a perfect description of you like that had CCTV and radios.
it's called communication
Communication in the late 1800's to early 1900's was almost exclusively done via word-of-mouth or Telegram, so "it's called. Communication" is like the dumbest thing you could say. why? Because Saint Dennis is a large city everywhere else is heavily rural. The police can only communicate by yelling to each other. I highly doubt they were sending fucking sending telegrams in the field. I've killed a guy In the middle of nowhere had somebody witnessed it. And then immediately make it out of my range before I could even locate them and instantly had cops riding up on me. This is what the other guy was talking about.
@@n1ghtst6lker02 Killed a lawmen wandering about in the middle of nowhere, then all the sudden the rest of the law knew my exact coordinates. I swear man, telepathy is a hell of a thing...
@@n1ghtst6lker02 that never happened to me, everytime i did something like that in the middle of nowhere, nobody saw arthur's (or john) actions
Sometimes i just don't want to fight them but then these goddamn lawmen starts insulting me and later there's 15,00 dollar bounty on my head
imagine getting offended by programmed ai lol
I've always hated how in most games the law enforcement system always has cops that have unlimited ammo and don't go anywhere to resupply if they run out if they start making that that would be pretty good like maybe police officers running back to their cars get ammo or the sheriff running back into the Sheriff's building to get ammo or gun store
Also I'm talking about games that rep the past and present
This is very well made and very descriptive. Ive played for a year now and didnt know half of what you mentioned. Great work
the law rebalance mods, particularly LAW, makes playing the game a thousand percent more engaging and emersive. organized searches with all levels of law, realistic response time, no spawning everywhere and very spart AI that 100% change the game
You forgot to include part where Pinkertons are guarding the Great Plains and patrolling the area.
And also during Chapter 6 after rescuing John Marston from Sisika prison mission where they are being on the roads with prison wagon (which whole area turns red like on NA and WE from the beginning).
Wanted system is broken and has been since day 1 they don't care about Story Mode. All that matters is Online. I beat this game 4 times on PS4 Pro and Xbox One X it was broken on both. Now I play on PC where you can use trainers and mods. I don't have to worry about being wanted anymore for stupid game errors or just because an NPC starts fighting you, etc.
Not broken you just don't understand how it works
@@jellyfishtrifle7883 Are you on Rockstar's payroll or something? I've seen several comments of you parroting the same thing: you don't like the system because you don't understand it. How is dealing with super cops that will always instantly recognize you a fun mechanic? If you murder someone in a town, cops would still recognize even if they never saw you and no witness could identify you. Then there are the magic trains that don't allow you to rob them without magically alerting endless waves of cops that Arthur Morgan specifically is robbing it. The fact that disguises seems to be completely worthless and don't allow you to do anything at all regarding the whole wanted system. The whole system is super shallow and doesn't allow you to do interesting things.
I love how people can get cheeky with you attack you then stab you and when you respond your the bad guy.
You forget another one US marshals they are sent if you're bounty is high enough.
I would love to see a video like this but checking the police AI of Red Dead Redemption 1 instead of 2.
PD. Great video!!!!
Police mechanics seem to be adopted from the Mafia series, well adaptation, just waiting to see what new features GTA VI is packed up with, btw nice video ♥.
Rdr1 had better lawmen ai than rdr2 in rdr2 u could pay bribes and the police will leave
@sleeping bear I didn't say I hate it but
Great video , a lots for beginners , but some things are veeery helpful , thanks
I never knew about this, this made me love the game even more
11:38 I feel like we've been in this situation before.
:(
Different outcome luckily
Thanks for the video. I started to play rdr2 when it came out. Then I figured out that the law was a pain in the ass to gundown. Ima watch this.
I swear i never have been arrested because instinctively i start shooting hearing the Wanted sound. I always forget how detailed this game is from playing too much GTA.
That Law system is truly impressive
I think the Imperfect investigation AI thing could be detail. They might be searching the general area, not just inside the building itself.
most people I see try to compare the game to real life and not understand that it's literally just a game
@@DontStealMyNoEffortName to be fair, its kinda annoying when you are in the middle of nowhere, and officers appear out of nowhere only to justify the system.
It doesn't happen all the time of course.
@@Gonzas97 that's with any game though, rdr tries it's best to spawn things out of sight
@@DontStealMyNoEffortName yeah i agree, but when its the literal middle of nowhere, its a bit weird/bad to me.
Very informative! I definitely gained more insight into the law system thanks to your video. Thanks, mister!
I love your videos, pls make more
I remember one time after going back to Saint Denis after very recently becoming wanted there, I noticed the lawmen were marked as dark red x's. Now, since at the time I didn't know many features of being wanted, so, in my infinite wisdom I just simply thought "Maybe it means they're just wary of me but won't actually chase me again". I ride past a lawman but...don't get noticed. However, very shortly after I rode past him I heard a civilian I think somewhere behind me say "That's him!" or something along those lines and suddenly the red x's on the map turnt bright red. I honestly thought it was kinda cool how not just cops, but maybe civilians can remember you as well. (It was definitely a civilian, they didn't sound like a cop).
Y'know what was funny about that though? The reason I went back to Saint Denis after becoming wanted (for a reasonable amount of money) was actually because I was going to the post office to pay off my bounty.
Needless to say, I went to Rhodes after that to pay off my even higher bounty gained from that eye opening experience.
the most realistic wanted/police system up to this date in all open world gta like game. By far.
Is that sarcasm xD this sucks like a guy puls out a gun while ur juzt talking stupid shit and the law instead of arresting him for wanting to kill you they attack you
This must be sarcasm
It's a very weird case, the wanted system it's impressive in many aspects, but flawed in many others.
+Sparror666 Well I mean if you don't follow what a cop tells you to do, it's likely that they'll respond with force or think you're suspicious enougj to think it's worth pulling a gun on you. I think that's actually pretty realistic.
@@BadKarma108 assuming by your lack of proper literacy, you are either too young to play or too young or uneducated to understand it without tunnel vision
I once murdered someone in the wilderness, then someone found the body and wanted comes up as usual. I didn't get away from the circle but rather hid in a bush quite some distance still in the red circle.
After quite some time,the wanted status cancels itself
I always just try to avoid them now. After watching this, I let the police approach me after I insulted a child in Saint Denis. The guy asks what’s going on. I defuse. Immediately pulls his gun and tells me to surrender…over disturbing the peace? Cmon now.
I missed these police analysis videos 😫
I'm not sure if you take requests, but if you do, could you please make a law enforcement behavior analysis for Bully (prefects, cops, orderlies)?
If not, that's alright. I love your videos and I appreciate the effort you put into them
One of my favorite dialogue moments is when Arthur outsmarts law enforcement investigating one of his crimes, and, when choosing “greet”, he says “I hope you solve this unfortunate mystery” as he rides off into the sunset with his ill-gotten gains.
The wanted system in RDR2 instead of being fun is just a pain in the ass most of the times.
Because you clearly still don't understand it even after watching this video...
Play Tetris then😂
11:23 So they heard your steps and immediately knew you were behind them or the sheriffs not seen in the map spotted you?
They heard the foot step, there is a mound on the left side, the other lawmens can't see Arthur.
You can hide in bushes and lawmen wont find you, they will just walk past you
I believe if you keep fighting the Sheriffs in a wilderness area they will stop spawning. This may also work in the town but idk. I know for sure blackwater or Saint Denis PD will never stop spawning.
Nice video!
Jeus what kind of monster would do something like this haha. The amount dilague is incredible. Most games would not have the law react to the crime scene.
One of the most fun wanted systems in a game I remember my first time going to saint denis triggering a $1,500 bounty that all started from me accidentally running over a pedestrian
I also love how they carried over from the first game you don’t escape from your actions unless you pay off your bounty
going camping and waking up surrounded by bounty hunters makes it feel like it’s a movie
The way Arthur Morgan responding to police is killing me XD
Also I'd like to add: If you're being chased by the Law, find a bush out of the way and hide in it.. I'm not sure if Bloodhounds can still find you, though. It's been a while since I've played.
they sure can, dogs are really annoying
Nice video 😎
Its amazing How if they dont Have your Description You can defuse the situation and get out of it. In games like KingDom Come And Skyrim they also seem to know its you. This law system is not perfect but Its pretty impressive. Cyberpunk showed people How hard law systems are. The Witcher 3 did not even have one so you could just loot without consequences. Only time you would get in trouble is if you did right near A guard.
11:24 " Alright fellers let's all be extra careful with this one 😂😂😂
6:37 the lawman did the rdr1 gun pose
I never knew you could injure the witness and they might not tell, I always killed or threatened them
Really underrated
This is how rockstar is, so flexible they easily adopted those cool features from other games and improvise them. Learned and rectified thier previous mistakes, that's and why folks say rockstar would never disappoint you, love you rockstar.
the social mechanics remind me of Bully and both have nice details
like in RDR2 you can greet someone twice and insult them or in Bully if you see someone getting bullied you can Greet the person saying "someone should kick his ass" or insult the bully "leave him alone!"
@@deadchanneldontwatch7347 hmm
I remember threating someone who was armed and he just went along with it saying "Not the first time i've kept my mouth shut"
A really cool thing rockstar could have done is have the player be suspicious depending on the amount of guns you have on your person (havent tested if this is the case or not, i will edit when i do)
Mindblowing
11:34 "It was at this moment he knew... he f****d up" lol
I wish that with the masks, if you are wearing one while not actively committing crimes and police ask you to take it off if Arthur could explain he’s sick so he wears it lol
here's the deal nobody in that time knew how Tuberculosis spreads, and a bandana wouldn't stop it from spreading either
If you kill the town sheriffs do they respawn or anything? Can you still get the same bounties there?
There's quite a few variations with the police that are extremely hard to notice. If you kill enough cops inside of a small town, the locals will band together in a "posse" in order to try and help the law. This does not occur in big cities. Also, cops have noticable differences depending on the state. If it's a warm state then they'll wear cooler clothes, but if it's a cold state, they'll wear heavy coats and gloves
To be honest, the imperfect AI when investigating the gunstore kill would still be a logical way, be it not completely accurate. They heard a shot come from somewhere in the back of the gunsmiths and since they supposedly know that the gunsmith is armed so a robbery inside is less likely than someone shooting behind the store, it is not weird for them to start searching around the shop. Would be better if afterwards they went inside but still, pretty impressive AI work on that game 👌
There is ONE sherrif per town, the rest are deputies.
11:41 the Lawman sound its look like Michael from GTA 5
yeah if he was in his 70s lol
It seems like the black water police have snipers or something they hit from a distance almost/or killing you
I hate it that these are not usable in rdo. I get it, the voiced character would be Hard thing to pull Off and there could be some other problems too but i would love to at least intimidate witnesses in rdo
Wait I'm confused on how the red indicator works bright red if they have description then dark red for unknown? Or other way around?
I´m also wondering, couldn´t find anything about that on the Internet.
@@claireredfield7368 bright red if they have a full description dark red for unknown, not very hard to figure that out
Actually you don't need to be out of the searching area, if you hide long enough they will give up search
I don’t recall ever seeing the cheating and jailbreak pop up there’s something illegal what do you have to do to have those pop-up?
No that wanted list is from RDR1. In that game you can be arrested for cheating, rustling, robbing banks, jailbreak, etc.
2:05 Bad dog!
the limit of the bounty is *1.500.000* this will lead your money dead.
When you stay on bolger glade with bounty. some bounty hunters come to you.
i also shoots grass and lawman tells me to move along.
11:40 RDR PTSD incoming
I am happy that the issues you experienced are patched
You absolutely can stay in the search area and still lose the wanted state. It will just take longer than 10 minutes
It's weird that it says 50 for train robberies because whenever I commit train robberies in the game it default charges me 60 and that's without shooting a single bullet.
then you need to learn how to read numbers, it's 50 I have robbed more trains than most of the people here and the bounty you get from it is 50 plus other crimes committed while law is pursuing
14:36 White sheriff star on the map??? :0 I see it for the first time! What does it mean?
15:29 notice how the sheriff arrested arthur to stop getting shot at
What weapons do they use?
Guns
RDR 1 Law Enforcement Behavior Next?
I’m interested in seeing Law Enforcement analysis for Assassins Creed 3, the Redcoats and Patriots
not very interesting, ac wanted system is the same for almost every game
The law in this game is actually realistic police officers weren’t trained back then
wish there was non lethal chasing
I hate this wanted system so much
Does This Analysis Fully Apply To Ps4 , I Think And I Hope Yes
it applied to every version of the game, why would they have a special release for ps4 lol
I think you forgot to mention that if you don't have enough money to pay the bounty, if the (police) is trying to arrest you, they will also shoot you on sight.
nice vid bdw :)
bruh not true at all, I got arrested with no money a bunch of times
@@DontStealMyNoEffortName well it happened to me all the time... mabye they changed that or something
@@bonsche99 no they didn't, the law will shoot on sight if they recognize you and have a high enough bounty, been playing since release and nothing about the law has changed
@@DontStealMyNoEffortName oh ok then
btw police wagons spawn in blackwater and saint denis if you do enough crime
What happens if you re known for murder and take of the mask?
Thekillergreece can you try Saints row 2 - Police Analysis?
Or even destroy all humans 1 and 2 along with saints row 1 or even true crime new york city
2 guys attacked me in Saint Denis, they attacked me without reason and then once I start blocking the punches I got bounty and police came in and began to shot at me
WHERE IS THE FUCKING LOGIC IN THIS
You can get in fist fights with npcs even with the law watching, when you win the fight the law will ask you to move along, they will instantly shoot if you already have a bounty and they recognize you, learn how to play the game
The witness system is kind of bugged
There’s 2 colors for a witness on the minimap
One color represents a witness that can describe you, and another represents a witness who doesn’t know you (Had your mask on when you did it)
But sometimes it isn’t the case
Sometimes the color will be wrong, and instead of getting an investigation, the law knows it was you
3 colors (white, red, and dark red)
@@DontStealMyNoEffortName Regardless it isn’t consistent and can bug out
8:42 So if you decided to pull a suicide by cop and let yourself get killed thinking it will get rid of your bounty quick and easy, you're setting yourself up for disappointment basically? That is some great developer foresight.
i think RDR 1 did it better , if you got a bounty and got killed you would respawn in your safe house and the bounty will no longer be there almost as if that never happened , in this game however they recognixe even if you are new in town and got a mask on
commit a crime again and they´ll know it was arthur (or john in the epilogue) , its weird considering there are some missions in RDR2 that no matter what you do would always get a wanted level
example 1: when we have to free micah we can go inside and talk to the sheriff or go around the back and talk to him if you talk to micah WHILE wearing a mask they will recognize you no mater what
example 2: this is more realistic , in the mission "urban pleasures" this rich guy set up the gang and everyone in saint denis will know dutch´s gang
example 3 : when in annesburg dutch kills Cornwall you are wanted "Dead or Alive"
Those mission wanted levels are scripted for story purposes, but also here are answers to those scenarios:
Example 1: Im pretty sure everyone would know who broke the bars on the sheriffs office, considering that Arthur used a VERY LOUD steam donkey right next to the sheriff's office, and if that wasn't enough, the police would hear Micah's gunshot as he shoots his former cellmate.
Example 2: Angelo Bronte set up the group at the beginning, if you go look in his mansion there is a telegram addressed to Benjamin Lambert (Saint Denis Chief of Police) about the gang wanting to rob the station. So Lambert would of course have a large amount of police ready and watching it.
Example 3: In the same cutscene before Dutch kills Cornwall, you can see the Pinkertons talking with Cornwall and then shortly leaving after. Considering that they just walked away and it was a minute or two before Dutch shot Cornwall, the Pinkertons would hear and, since Cornwall was the one who hired the Pinkertons to find Dutch in the first place, would obviously want Dutch, Arthur, and later Micah "Dead or Alive"
6:03 its almost like GTA 5 when you stand too close to a cop they will start becoming pretty aggressive toward you.
it's being suspicious, no reason for you to be that close to a cop
Im pretty sure even police officers irl will also get suspicious if you stand near them for too long without any good reason
Blackwater might be better armed because the gang robbed a bank their for a lot of money.
In a mission where you are at the mayors house, the mayor tells you the city (saint denis) is in a lot of debt. This would mean the police in st denis is funded poorly
Semi pistols holy crap
Do GTA 4 police behaviour
The law absolutely kills the atmosphere of this game.. like police will show up in the middle of nowhere almost instantly and they will never stop coming either they will keep attacking you waves after waves with little to no regard to their own self preservation just because of that cat you accidentally trampled while roaming the wilderness
GTA 6 gonna take this to another whole level
As a person to max bounty they will try to kill you not even giving you the option to surrender yourself