Just checking in again to see if you had a chance to run that new vmax with the PMW a few more times. I hope your #s are still way up there. I should be purchasing the lithium vmax this week. Cant wait to run it with my 40 lb thrust motor and PWM
Yes and I was mistaken about the battery life.....The 3.5 trolling and 1 hour blasting was not 73% left ....It was 83% remaining on the battery...Now I'm looking how to spend the extra bat life...I may get a real fish finder, add lights, an induction stove, TV, etc....
SuperDuper Outdoors WHAT!!!! Amazing, I should have mine this Thursday cant wait Thanks for the update. I'll keep you posted on life with a 40lb. Thrust
Bro...I'm also going to changing my propeller to a Model airplane propeller ...It is suppose to be 30% more efficient then the standard trolling motor propeller ....I'll do a video on it too....I'm hoping to hit 4 mph.
SuperDuper Outdoors your kidding? I would think moving air or water would take a totally different approach to design. Anyway I am curious to see what happens. If you hit 4 mph with a 20 thrust motor you could be eligible for a spot in the Guinness world book of records.
Hello SuperDuper, It's John R. Just checking in to see how the vmax is doing for you? Just got mine last week I'm just about ready to go. Waiting for the ice to melt. With a little luck i'll be on the water in two weeks. Did you ever try a new prop on the 20 lb. thrust
*I bought this model for my 14 ft Jon boat. **enjoyable.fishing** recommend love it!!! It pushes my boat with ease ( 2 men 220 each). I would highly recommend this to anyone.*
I didn’t understand the part you said that the lead acid battery can only be used to half it’s capacity. Does that mean if you use a 50 AH lead acid battery you only get 25 ah use out of it ?
Yes. If overly discharged a LA will be damage. I've done it and it gets weaker and weaker with every use. The voltage also drops and affects your top speed. Lithium is the way to go and saves you money (and your back) in the long run. Hope that helps.
SuperDuper Outdoors wow that helps . I was looking at getting a lead acid 50 ah because it’s a quarter the price of the lithium but sounds like lithium will pay off more in the long run . Hopefully for at least 10 years . I’m on a budget and need to spend wisely
@@keepitreelcatfishing5883 Compare how many times you can recharge a Lth vs a LA. And the LA looses voltage every time you use it. The Lth doesn't. Lth you can drain to 30% with out issues. I yet have to drain my 50 AMP Lth pass 40% blasting from spot to spot. I love this thing. ...Charge your phone with the usb while trolling bro.
I’m seventy-one years old and I stopped using my trolling motor because of the additional hassle and weight, most of which was the marine battery. My fishing locations are fairly remote, so the put-in is usually a little distance from where I park. The idea of a 50 amp battery that only weighs 14lbs is very appealing, but it’s hard to find real life feedback from someone that’s actually using one. My trolling motor is a 24lb thrust Minn Kota (older model), so I’d love to know what to expect for running time from a 50 amp lithium battery. At full thrust, and also at half speed. I prefer fishing in streams and rivers, so I seldom use full thrust for very long because boulders or logs are always a threat. Using the motor would extend the range of my trips and at my age I’m not looking for two hours of non-stop paddling, although some paddling is fine. What do you think, any estimates?
Please look at the lake chabot map. I was able to track the shoreline half the time trolling at 1.5 mph and the other half at full 4 mph with the wind to my back and 3 mph withthe wind in my face. I had 50% left on 50 amp Lithium 16 volt battery when done. About 4.5 hours of solid fishing and none stop moving. I also use a stepless speed control modulator. I believe this makes it super efficient for the motor. I've also removed the trolling motors controller and have it directly clipped to the battery. I hope that made sense. 8)
@@SuperDuperOutdoors Thanks so much for the reply; it’s always good to hear a review from someone that has actually used the product. The rivers I fish only hold fish in certain spots so it will be nice to get from one to the next by using a motor, and if I’m fishing downriver I can go further than usual. These are remote areas (which is half the fun) but when the sun goes down you’re on your own. This will help me fish places that I haven’t fished in years. Thanks for the testimonial.
Thinking about getting a Frontier myself. Not sure if I should go with the 12 or 10 footer. Would you rather have the 12 ? And are you from Cali ? Thanks
Tx for the video Ted, really practical view on how to mount the elements. Today I mounted my fish rod supports inspired in yours. Please, could you give me info about the chair that are you using? Keep safe and thanks im advance
@@SuperDuperOutdoors Thanks for the response! No I actually have the Old Town sportsman 106. I saw your other video recently about how the nucaneo has that convenient hole in the back to fit the motor mount though. That's a pretty cool setup! Too bad the Old Town doesn't have something like that to make mounting it in the back center a little easier. I just got my watersnake in the mail today and I can't wait to get it hooked up and try it out!
@@FostaFunk Nice! Are you using the side mount? I use it for a while on my sit in yak. That thing was fast. It was tricky but I used it effectively. Yes. the rear transom hole for the nucaneo's dolly is priceless. I'm surprised more people are not doing it. Super cheap mounting solution and ultra light weight. 2 cinch straps.
Still going strong. Love the 14v batt performance. Got the 12v now too. As backup and on longer trips. I dont bring them lower than 50% so the should last forever. I'm using them on the newer vids at Antelope Lake.
Not sure if it's better but works great for my application. The NuCanoe already has a hole for their Dolly accessory. The used my side mounted Watersnake set up from my old kayak set up. The beauty is that trolling motor weights like 8 lbs and with my Lith Batt, it's an ultra light setup for all day fishing. Thanks for watching!
A kayak or canoe still has a fundamental problem... they turn over easily, especially in moving water of a river. And a kayak that flips dump your battery into the water and no recovery. I bought an Ultimate 12' from Native Watercraft the first year. A small minn Kota trolling motor add on was simple and maybe 10-15 dollars total. You have a good rig that will be lost when the kayak flips over 1 time.
High voltage 14.4 v lithium. Do not damage engine? What is the stiuation of engine after using 1 year? I wanna use also lithium battery but they dont suggest to use. High speed can be 5 miles hour after using lithium battery?
Not sure but the bat is 55 ah. But that may be a good test to do one day. I have another battery so I can get back or just run in a circle. It also depends on currents and winds I guess...
2 nylon locking straps and eye loops. Works very well for what it is. I didn't need to buy another trolling motor to work with the new yak. Thanks for watching bro!
Just the trolling motor. Thanks for watching....since then I've used much more and really like this higher voltage battery.. It has been discontinued tho. They have a 12v version now.
I didn’t understand one point in your description. You say get the version that floats at 14.8 v. What are the different float voltages they have and what difference does it make ?
The higher float charge the higher output. 14.8 float gives you a common 12v. The higher one will have a higher output which is fine for direct to most trolling motor but it will destroy other 12v accessories.
I was thinking about getting the vmax you have but i have a 40 lb. thrust with a pulse modulator on it. Just blasting to an area about 10 min run. Then all the way down to speed 1 or 2 intermittent for a few hours, Then blasting back. I was hoping for 4-6 hours running this way. What do you think?
I just got done with test runs with the pwm...ridiculous. I blasted for an hour , off and on, and trolled for 3.5 at 1 mph ....73% left on the water for 4.5 hours. I do have a 24 lbs thrust but I may upgraded if it means a faster top end... I'm only at 3 mph now with the wind to my back or front. Not bad, bro.
SuperDuper Outdoors WoW thats great!! Sweeeeet i'm feeling good about the vmax 50 amp even with my 40lb. Thrust. i'll be good because I basically don't troll. It's stop and fish with very little shore line trolling. Thanks for The information this is really helpful. FYI I noticed on almost all the videos i have seen on fishing kayaks 11.5' and above 3.5 - 5 mph with a 30 lb thru 55lb. Thrust. The motor thrust has less effect on speed than you would think. They higher thrust comes into play with weight and wind, its not speed its power. With that said a 35-40 lb thrust on your rig might go 4 - 4.5 and i think your speed would max out around there even with a 45-50 lb. thrust. Good luck and Thanks again.
Well you have to know what amp draw your trolling motor pulls. For example a 15 amp trolling motor will only run 1 hour on a 15ah battery at full thrust.
I just got a 50 ah BattleBorn lithium that weighs about 17 lbs.... $570 but worth it.... just playing around I ran my 38" TV on an inverter for 12 hours before it showed any signs of getting tired.... I'm also using a special charger that's better suited to lithium... It's a IOTA DSL-15
Thanks for watching. Lithium has come down in pricing alot. I'm see no name brands 100 ah as low as $600 and the cels for cheaper too...These are interesting times. Tight lines bro!
I'll stick with BattleBorn... not all lithiums allow you to tie 2 or more together... I could just get another 50 and tie it with my other 50 and get 100 ah.... They are in Arizona.... have a problem with a cheaper Chinese battery.? Hope that you speak Chinese....
Hi Superduperoutdoors, so to clarify was the VMAX battery you originally purchased the wrong type? i.e. 16 volt vs. 12 volts? I have a 24 Watersnake trolling motor and the wiring on the battery fried after 5 months of use. I suspect its because I was issued the 16 volt battery. Please advise. Thank you.
I have 2. One runs close to 14 volts and charges at 16v. This one is not recommended to use with other 12v electronics. I've had no problems. I also have a traditional 12v that charges at 14v with no issues as well. But I don't run full throttle all the time. I blast from spot to spot, then troll and drift. Can you repair the wire. Put a heavy gauge or ask to exchange it for the 12v.
SuperDuper Outdoors, I tried heavy gauge and it lasted a few months before burning up. I sent an email to vmax yesterday so I’m hoping to hear back from them. Thank you very much for the tips! BTW - I miss seeing your videos! Hopefully you’ll post some soon. 🙂🎣
hey , super i just came across this vid and was wondering how the v-max is still working, im in the mood for a lifepo4 but cant decide between the v-max or dakota . v-max has power center but no warranty . im interested what you think of the v-max after using it awile? thanks
Sorry for the delayed response bro...the vmax is pretty good quality. Make sure you get the "12v" version. They have higher voltage batteries that run trolling motors. Which fine unless you plan to run accessories. I like vmax because they have built in usb plugs and meters. ....I need to get back on the water soon. I was back on this and the lock down happened. Hope you're well. Peace!
Absolutely worth it. Do the math. Especially when you can only get 50% capacity use of LA batts. You can run this thing down to 20%. Not to mention the size and weight. I highly recommend bro.
i have a 55# thrust motor -- genuinely looking at this battery. what kind of life are you getting out of it? ie a full day? how much charge at the end of the day??
Thank for watching bro...I only have a 24#. I can't troll all day but the 55 ah runs all day cruising from spot to spot. It also depends on how heavy your rig is. I have lighten up my rig so it's pretty efficient. I'm currently messing with a model airplane propeller that's suppose to be 50% more efficient than the stock trolling motor propeller....When shall see. Stay tuned.
Nice vid. In your comments you say to be sure I get the 12v version that FLOATS at 14.8 Volts. Did your mean a NOMINAL Voltage at 14.8 Volts or a Charging Voltage? I don't see a float Voltage stat on their website. I want to buy one of these batteries.
But I bet you can put the rods inside the hull of the boat when transporting. Theres a rubber storage bin thats removable in the front hatch...Hope that helps.
A PWM will only increase the efficiency at reduced speed because it can reduce the speed far more efficiently than the resistor based switch. At full throttle, you'll actually be more efficient without the PWM because the current must travel through the Mosfets of the PWM rather than directly to the motor and it will disappate some heat in the process.
One really important point, I sure it says this in the instructions that come with it, this type of lithium battery is the safest of the lithium, but no lithium battery is truly safe. NEVER leave this to charge unattended. Lithium batteries can be very dangerous, the most danger is when charging, if the weather is good charging it outside on an uncovered patio is a good idea.
@@theNikonGuy I guess you didn't understand my post, I CLEARLY wrote that this type of lithium battery was the safest of the lithium batteries, meaning LiFe batteries. But no lithium battery is completely safe.
2 nylon locking straps and eye loops. Works very well for what it is. I didn't need to buy another trolling motor to work with the new yak. Thanks for watching bro!
I have a waist PFD. So you can feel safe now...But if you want to see me fall off well you're in for a treat...th-cam.com/video/TcZQkt53dmU/w-d-xo.html
@@SuperDuperOutdoors Saw the video and I recall my Dad always told me "never stand up in a boat" :-) I hadn't seen the waist PFDs before so I took a look to see how they work. I guess they are Ok but only as long as you don't hit your head and knock yourself unconscious on the boat or a rock as you fall off - because you aren't going to be able to pull it over your head if you are out to it.
How is the new battery and PWM working for you? I returned the vmax lithium and purchased a 50 amp hour AGM. After I purchased A 85 amp hour AGM. The 50 amp lasts me all day on the water @ 32 lbs thats not bad. Hope you are up and running!!
I need to get out soon...Been super busy with life. I did get the replacement lithium 12v version and the customer service was very good. I did receive the new PWM Trolling Pro .....All sitting around in unopened boxes for an unboxing video...
@@johnrugani9832 I think it floats at 14.1 and settles at 13ish or high 12s ...Just like a car battery. I will make a video on the performance for sure. This lithium battery and the Trolling Pro PWM should be a good setup. Stay tuned!
I mounted my old 55 amh AGM (32 lbs and still good at 13.1 volts) with USB plugs and a 12v outlet under my seat in my van as auxiliary power. Better the van carry it than me.... I got power for days for gopros, drones, TV and my trucker oven. I may install a solenoid setup to have the alternator charge it. I should make a video on this...
Hey what’s going on, love the vid on the Vmax, my question is about your GoPro Mount on the front of your NuCanoe. What did you use to make that y’all gorilla pod flex mount?
I’ll be very interested to hear your results with the PWM. Som say they increased battery run time by 5X! You mentioned 5 hours running at max voltage but the important part of that is how many amps does your motor use at max? Most people have 30-38# thrust motors which will draw as much as 25-28 amps at max speed. Where a WM is a must have with the smaller battery. Good video though it could have been shorter....I had to fast forward through much of it to get the information (and past the fish tank intro). Gave you a like and sub’d!
No not quite 5 times. A standard resistor based speed reducer simply connects a resistor in series to the motor to reduce the current flow through the motor, but at a cost of wasting energy in heat. Let's say you have a motor that draws 24 amps at full speed and you want to cut the current consumption in half. For a 12 volts system, the impedance at 24 amps is 0.5 ohms. If you put a 0.5 ohm resistor in series, the total impedance will be 1 ohm and you'll draw 12 amps from your battery and through both the resistor and the motor. So you'll now be using half the power from your battery, but that power will be divided equally between the resistor and the motor, so the motor will be at 1/4 the power (1/2 the amps x 1/2 the voltage). Assuming 100% efficiency, a PWM could cut the power to the motor to 1/4 by pulsing the full 12 volts with a 25% duty cycle and it will only draw an average of 6 amps (24/4). So in the end, at 1/4 speed, the battery will last twice as long with a PWM versus a standard resistor based speed control. At full throttle, the PWM will actually wastes a small amount of power because it must travel through the PWM Mosfets rather than directly to the motor.
If you really took it down to 1 or 2% of its total capacity you would have to buy a new battery every time you used it. The meter is telling you useable capacity and you really shouldn't take it too far down, the internal circuitry will probably keep you from discharging to the point of serious damage, but the lower you go the less overall life the battery might have. Try to limit use to no lower than 10% left on the meter and your battery will last longer.
@@SuperDuperOutdoors From everything I've read you can take them down to around 30% with absolutely no damage, taking them to 20% or less can damage the battery. I take my lipo's down to about 20% and do OK. Lipo's aren't the same but they are kissing cousins, your type is much safer than lipos.
an e bike motor controller from ebay/amazon/or used bike[offerup] will work its same motor a brushed dc only thing is you have to keep it in a watertight plastic container as bike controllers not designed for water use..haha....
Thank you bro. I love this thing. With all the other boats out there, this fits. Yea man, Bass are starting to wake up. DM on ig and let me know what's up.
I like your video man l'm running 28 pound trust motor on my Hobie outback made myself l'm using PWM tried a couple of them the best luck that l'm having with 12v 100 amp hour PWM with built fan keeps speed controller cooler they can run a little warm you might wanna add watt meter to keep eye on your Voltage. Thanks. For the video hope you get the PWM up and running
I appreciate your input...@Phillip Siddiq "This opening...🔥...Thanks for doing this walk through set up. I'll be checking out this battery because I rent the row boats..😀"
I heard that the usable energy on LIFEPO4 batteries are 80%. That said the approximate run time of a Watersnake 18T on a 50ah Lifepo4 battery with full speed should be about 2.5hrs and with Watersnake 24T should be 2hrs. In saying that, I have towed my mate's kayak on my 24T and ran at the full speed for about an hour and only used 25% of the battery capacity with a 50ah battery... Also noticed that top speed of the motor increased from 5km/hr to 6km/hr.
Yes You're correct. However I run a PWM and that makes it run much longer. Non resistor power stream. I run all day on variable speeds. The 16 volt battery will give you additional boost for sure. I still need to test the 12v as I am busy AF these days...I miss fishing. Sigh...Thanks for watching bro!
@@SuperDuperOutdoors I envy that you have a 16v battery... which makes your motor run faster! I don't think it will damage the motor that much. You not meant to use it forever anyway! I am planning to build PWM controller as well when I get a chance and test out amp usage with my spare prop which is slightly larger than the original prop.. but 2hrs runtime is still plenty for me so I'm happy! :)
Cool! I also have a model airplane prop that I want to install. It's suppose to be 25% more efficent. I guess the idea would be to get the smallest and lightest battery for your day. Imagine having a 5 lb battery that suits your needs. You need to post some videos of your results too...
SuperDuper Outdoors I’m too lazy to take video I guess... Let me know how you go with the new prop. Wondering how fast a kayak can run with the nee prop! For me, faster=better as long as they don’t kill the motor! 👍🏼
New sub. Thanks for the informative video! Was your VMAX battery at 100% when you initially connected? The reason I’m asking is because my battery percentage indicator reads 100% when I connect it, however, once I flip the power switch it immediately goes down to 90%. Not sure if this is common. Thanks in advance. 😀🎣🤙
Any truth that lithium batteries are bad for Watersnake motors due to higher fully-charged voltages. If so, it's a deal killer for me. No more lead-acid (including AGM) batteries will haunt the spaces of my Native slayer ever again!
Just checking in again to see if you had a chance to run that new vmax with the PMW a few more times. I hope your #s are still way up there.
I should be purchasing the lithium vmax this week. Cant wait to run it with my 40 lb thrust motor and PWM
Yes and I was mistaken about the battery life.....The 3.5 trolling and 1 hour blasting was not 73% left ....It was 83% remaining on the battery...Now I'm looking how to spend the extra bat life...I may get a real fish finder, add lights, an induction stove, TV, etc....
SuperDuper Outdoors WHAT!!!! Amazing, I should have mine this Thursday cant wait Thanks for the update. I'll keep you posted on life with a 40lb. Thrust
Bro...I'm also going to changing my propeller to a Model airplane propeller ...It is suppose to be 30% more efficient then the standard trolling motor propeller ....I'll do a video on it too....I'm hoping to hit 4 mph.
SuperDuper Outdoors your kidding? I would think moving air or water would take a totally different approach to design. Anyway
I am curious to see what happens. If you hit 4 mph with a 20 thrust motor you could be eligible for a spot in the Guinness world book of records.
Hello SuperDuper, It's John R. Just checking in to see how the vmax is doing for you? Just got mine last week I'm just about ready to go.
Waiting for the ice to melt. With a little luck i'll be on the water in two weeks. Did you ever try a new prop on the 20 lb. thrust
Like your shots of the dwarf cichlids. You were able to breed them too. Nice!!!
You really had to count on your fingers to work out how long 9:00-12:38 is? How do you even walk and breathe at the same time?
Right? ...Not sure how I manage to fish 5 days a week while you're at work...lol
Can I hook my watersnake straight to the vmax lithium battery? Or do I need some sort of controller/breaker fuse?
I hooked up directly but they recommend a breaker....
@@SuperDuperOutdoors thank you for the reply! So if I run a powerstation box with that battery that has a built in breaker I should be good then...
do you know where I can get it I've looked
what model
not sure...I got mine on amazon 3 years ago...
*I bought this model for my 14 ft Jon boat. **enjoyable.fishing** recommend love it!!! It pushes my boat with ease ( 2 men 220 each). I would highly recommend this to anyone.*
I have a 100 ah lifepo4 battery, and looking for a 10amp charger. How is the charger holding up. Does it have a fan and is it noisy.
The oem chargers are doing their job well. No issues and pretty fast. There is a fan but is not bad. Tight lines!
I didn’t understand the part you said that the lead acid battery can only be used to half it’s capacity. Does that mean if you use a 50 AH lead acid battery you only get 25 ah use out of it ?
Yes. If overly discharged a LA will be damage. I've done it and it gets weaker and weaker with every use. The voltage also drops and affects your top speed. Lithium is the way to go and saves you money (and your back) in the long run. Hope that helps.
dam! I miss fishing...busy AF
SuperDuper Outdoors wow that helps . I was looking at getting a lead acid 50 ah because it’s a quarter the price of the lithium but sounds like lithium will pay off more in the long run . Hopefully for at least 10 years . I’m on a budget and need to spend wisely
@@keepitreelcatfishing5883 Compare how many times you can recharge a Lth vs a LA. And the LA looses voltage every time you use it. The Lth doesn't. Lth you can drain to 30% with out issues. I yet have to drain my 50 AMP Lth pass 40% blasting from spot to spot. I love this thing. ...Charge your phone with the usb while trolling bro.
Thanks for the shout out man love the vids keep posting them ill be back out their monday and will try to do some fishing 👍🏼👍🏼
Yes forsure bro...Tight lines!
Where can you get them vmax.
I’m seventy-one years old and I stopped using my trolling motor because of the additional hassle and weight, most of which was the marine battery. My fishing locations are fairly remote, so the put-in is usually a little distance from where I park. The idea of a 50 amp battery that only weighs 14lbs is very appealing, but it’s hard to find real life feedback from someone that’s actually using one.
My trolling motor is a 24lb thrust Minn Kota (older model), so I’d love to know what to expect for running time from a 50 amp lithium battery. At full thrust, and also at half speed. I prefer fishing in streams and rivers, so I seldom use full thrust for very long because boulders or logs are always a threat. Using the motor would extend the range of my trips and at my age I’m not looking for two hours of non-stop paddling, although some paddling is fine. What do you think, any estimates?
Lake Chabot
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Please look at the lake chabot map. I was able to track the shoreline half the time trolling at 1.5 mph and the other half at full 4 mph with the wind to my back and 3 mph withthe wind in my face. I had 50% left on 50 amp Lithium 16 volt battery when done. About 4.5 hours of solid fishing and none stop moving. I also use a stepless speed control modulator. I believe this makes it super efficient for the motor. I've also removed the trolling motors controller and have it directly clipped to the battery. I hope that made sense. 8)
@@SuperDuperOutdoors Thanks so much for the reply; it’s always good to hear a review from someone that has actually used the product. The rivers I fish only hold fish in certain spots so it will be nice to get from one to the next by using a motor, and if I’m fishing downriver I can go further than usual. These are remote areas (which is half the fun) but when the sun goes down you’re on your own. This will help me fish places that I haven’t fished in years.
Thanks for the testimonial.
Boy you aint blasting nowhere with that motor ! Funny you said that
dude...i'm busting 4,4.5 ...5 mph ...smokin! ..watch out for the wake bro!
I like the swivel seat. That battery really cut down on your rigs' weight. WayneO
Thanks! The swivel seat, kayak and battery is a game changer. I now have the quick release now for the swivel seat. Slides on in 2 seconds.
Thinking about getting a Frontier myself. Not sure if I should go with the 12 or 10 footer. Would you rather have the 12 ?
And are you from Cali ?
Thanks
the 10 was good enough...the 12 had a larger capacity.
Tx for the video Ted, really practical view on how to mount the elements. Today I mounted my fish rod supports inspired in yours. Please, could you give me info about the chair that are you using? Keep safe and thanks im advance
Thanks bro. Less is more. The chair is made for this kayak. Nucanoe. It's the main reason I bought this kayak.
I like how you have the water snake mounted in the back. I really want to get one for my kayak. How exactly did you mount it in the back?
Do you have a nucaneo?
@@SuperDuperOutdoors
Thanks for the response!
No I actually have the Old Town sportsman 106. I saw your other video recently about how the nucaneo has that convenient hole in the back to fit the motor mount though. That's a pretty cool setup! Too bad the Old Town doesn't have something like that to make mounting it in the back center a little easier. I just got my watersnake in the mail today and I can't wait to get it hooked up and try it out!
@@FostaFunk Nice! Are you using the side mount? I use it for a while on my sit in yak. That thing was fast. It was tricky but I used it effectively. Yes. the rear transom hole for the nucaneo's dolly is priceless. I'm surprised more people are not doing it. Super cheap mounting solution and ultra light weight. 2 cinch straps.
How is that battery holding up?
Still going strong. Love the 14v batt performance. Got the 12v now too. As backup and on longer trips. I dont bring them lower than 50% so the should last forever. I'm using them on the newer vids at Antelope Lake.
SuperDuper Outdoors nice bro I might buy the 100ah battery
@@HyPex808-2 I'm so happy i'm off the lead acid...Your back will thank you!
Any chance you can provide a link to the battery and the motor? Thanks - you're the best!
I think this 14 v is discontinued but they have a 12v I think.
Are you still happy with this battery ? I am getting ready to buy the same one .
Yes. Both Vmax has been operating very well.
This looks much bigger than a 10ft kayak! Being 10ft, does it feel larger because of the width?
Absolutely. I think it's 39 inches wide, which makes it hella stable. I'm very happy with it. 75 lbs dry. Not bad.
I have a lure v1 10 and it's 34" I believe. Do you think this t24 will be great for that?
what model did you get
I have both the 12v and 14.5 volt...still using them both today. Still going strong.
Where did you get the hole and rod mount for the trolling motor? Looks better than the traditional clamp on trolling motor mount.
Not sure if it's better but works great for my application. The NuCanoe already has a hole for their Dolly accessory. The used my side mounted Watersnake set up from my old kayak set up. The beauty is that trolling motor weights like 8 lbs and with my Lith Batt, it's an ultra light setup for all day fishing. Thanks for watching!
A kayak or canoe still has a fundamental problem... they turn over easily, especially in moving water of a river. And a kayak that flips dump your battery into the water and no recovery. I bought an Ultimate 12' from Native Watercraft the first year. A small minn Kota trolling motor add on was simple and maybe 10-15 dollars total. You have a good rig that will be lost when the kayak flips over 1 time.
I had a close call...th-cam.com/video/TcZQkt53dmU/w-d-xo.html
thats why you live or die by the tie downs...always secure your gear....
High voltage 14.4 v lithium. Do not damage engine? What is the stiuation of engine after using 1 year? I wanna use also lithium battery but they dont suggest to use. High speed can be 5 miles hour after using lithium battery?
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How do you like the uglystik combo you have? Got the same one?
Its great for trolling and unbelievably strong.
Where did you get this particular vmax?
The 14 volt was on Amazon at that time. It's been replaced by the 12v.
@@SuperDuperOutdoors
Thank you very much!!
How long will it run if you run continuously on high speed and how many amp hour is your battery?
Not sure but the bat is 55 ah. But that may be a good test to do one day. I have another battery so I can get back or just run in a circle. It also depends on currents and winds I guess...
Did the backpack style carrier come with it? If not where did you pick that up.
The battery came with a case with straps. Nice huh...
Thanks for the video, can you show us how you rigged up your trolling motor..?
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2 nylon locking straps and eye loops. Works very well for what it is. I didn't need to buy another trolling motor to work with the new yak. Thanks for watching bro!
Congrats on the 1k subs!!
Thank you!!
LMAO! You know who you are! Mabuhay!
He does...loli thought about making fresh rice on the yak...catch and cook. ...induction stove to fry.. ..Mabuhay pare!
Was that battery only running the motor? Or was depth finder also hooked up? Thanks for the video!!!
Just the trolling motor. Thanks for watching....since then I've used much more and really like this higher voltage battery.. It has been discontinued tho. They have a 12v version now.
Frying Lumpia in the boat”🤣🤣🤣 awesome video brother
Thank you for watching bro!
I like Lumia 😂😂😂
in california we have to register a kayak if you put a E motor lol
you have to register if you fart in cali...
I didn’t understand one point in your description. You say get the version that floats at 14.8 v. What are the different float voltages they have and what difference does it make ?
The higher float charge the higher output. 14.8 float gives you a common 12v. The higher one will have a higher output which is fine for direct to most trolling motor but it will destroy other 12v accessories.
I was thinking about getting the vmax you have but i have a 40 lb. thrust with a pulse modulator on it. Just blasting to an area about 10 min run. Then all the way down to speed 1 or 2 intermittent for a few hours, Then blasting back. I was hoping for 4-6 hours running this way. What do you think?
I just got done with test runs with the pwm...ridiculous. I blasted for an hour , off and on, and trolled for 3.5 at 1 mph ....73% left on the water for 4.5 hours. I do have a 24 lbs thrust but I may upgraded if it means a faster top end... I'm only at 3 mph now with the wind to my back or front. Not bad, bro.
SuperDuper Outdoors WoW thats great!! Sweeeeet i'm feeling good about the vmax 50 amp even with my 40lb. Thrust. i'll be good because I basically don't troll. It's stop and fish with very little shore line trolling. Thanks for The information this is really helpful.
FYI I noticed on almost all the videos i have seen on fishing kayaks 11.5' and above 3.5 - 5 mph with a 30 lb thru 55lb. Thrust. The motor thrust has less effect on speed than you would think. They higher thrust comes into play with weight and wind, its not speed its power.
With that said a 35-40 lb thrust on your rig might go 4 - 4.5 and i think your speed would max out around there even with a 45-50 lb. thrust.
Good luck and Thanks again.
nice vid. love my f10
Thanks for watching bro.
was that full speed? how do i calculate how long the batt will last? like how long will the watersnake last on a 15 ah batt? thanks
It was like at 3.5 MPH not bad for a 24 lb thrust and 39 inch wide hull ...I just timed the use and looked at the battery gauge...Ball park.
Well you have to know what amp draw your trolling motor pulls. For example a 15 amp trolling motor will only run 1 hour on a 15ah battery at full thrust.
I have the Frontier 10 as well . Is 55 lb thrust overkill ? Curious when in stronger tides .
It also depends on the wet weught of your rig. Im running an ultra light rig so 24 is good enough. If want more I'll go Honda gas 3.5 hp...8)
I just got a 50 ah BattleBorn lithium that weighs about 17 lbs.... $570 but worth it.... just playing around I ran my 38" TV on an inverter for 12 hours before it showed any signs of getting tired.... I'm also using a special charger that's better suited to lithium... It's a IOTA DSL-15
Thanks for watching. Lithium has come down in pricing alot. I'm see no name brands 100 ah as low as $600 and the cels for cheaper too...These are interesting times. Tight lines bro!
I'll stick with BattleBorn... not all lithiums allow you to tie 2 or more together... I could just get another 50 and tie it with my other 50 and get 100 ah.... They are in Arizona.... have a problem with a cheaper Chinese battery.? Hope that you speak Chinese....
Hi Superduperoutdoors, so to clarify was the VMAX battery you originally purchased the wrong type? i.e. 16 volt vs. 12 volts? I have a 24 Watersnake trolling motor and the wiring on the battery fried after 5 months of use. I suspect its because I was issued the 16 volt battery. Please advise. Thank you.
I have 2. One runs close to 14 volts and charges at 16v. This one is not recommended to use with other 12v electronics. I've had no problems. I also have a traditional 12v that charges at 14v with no issues as well. But I don't run full throttle all the time. I blast from spot to spot, then troll and drift.
Can you repair the wire. Put a heavy gauge or ask to exchange it for the 12v.
SuperDuper Outdoors, I tried heavy gauge and it lasted a few months before burning up. I sent an email to vmax yesterday so I’m hoping to hear back from them. Thank you very much for the tips! BTW - I miss seeing your videos! Hopefully you’ll post some soon. 🙂🎣
Thay have good customer service so you should be good bro.
Thank you I appreciate your help! 🙂
hey , super i just came across this vid and was wondering how the v-max is still working, im in the mood for a lifepo4 but cant decide between the v-max or dakota . v-max has power center but no warranty . im interested what you think of the v-max after using it awile? thanks
Sorry for the delayed response bro...the vmax is pretty good quality. Make sure you get the "12v" version. They have higher voltage batteries that run trolling motors. Which fine unless you plan to run accessories. I like vmax because they have built in usb plugs and meters. ....I need to get back on the water soon. I was back on this and the lock down happened. Hope you're well. Peace!
Is that battery really in the $500 range?
Make sure you get the 12v and not the 14v...
Yup about 550 or so , I wondered if it was worth the additional cost , just curious about that myself
Absolutely worth it. Do the math. Especially when you can only get 50% capacity use of LA batts. You can run this thing down to 20%. Not to mention the size and weight. I highly recommend bro.
Hi is your battery still running good and were did you get it from?
Yes. Still charging up. I got it on a Amazon.
i have a 55# thrust motor -- genuinely looking at this battery. what kind of life are you getting out of it? ie a full day? how much charge at the end of the day??
Thank for watching bro...I only have a 24#. I can't troll all day but the 55 ah runs all day cruising from spot to spot. It also depends on how heavy your rig is. I have lighten up my rig so it's pretty efficient. I'm currently messing with a model airplane propeller that's suppose to be 50% more efficient than the stock trolling motor propeller....When shall see. Stay tuned.
Just out of curiosity, where did you purchase this battery set?
Amazon...but this one is discounted.
who makes the v max ? is that a 12v equivalent ? sorry new to this..thankks
Nice vid. In your comments you say to be sure I get the 12v version that FLOATS at 14.8 Volts. Did your mean a NOMINAL Voltage at 14.8 Volts or a Charging Voltage? I don't see a float Voltage stat on their website. I want to buy one of these batteries.
Thanks bro! It will be at 14.8 when it is fully charge and on the charger. I hope that helps.
Those rod holders, would you feel comfortable with rods in them during transport on a roof rack?
The ones on the floor?....no way bro. I strip the yak and transport bare upside down.
@@SuperDuperOutdoors Yea the ones of the floor.
Yea no..they're good for low pass situation but not for transport...I really like this nucanoe...its spacious.
But I bet you can put the rods inside the hull of the boat when transporting. Theres a rubber storage bin thats removable in the front hatch...Hope that helps.
A PWM will only increase the efficiency at reduced speed because it can reduce the speed far more efficiently than the resistor based switch. At full throttle, you'll actually be more efficient without the PWM because the current must travel through the Mosfets of the PWM rather than directly to the motor and it will disappate some heat in the process.
i agree...I want this set up for trolling. I only have 2 speeds on this motor and want to get it down to 1-2 mph. Thanks for watching!
Do you have a link for that battery? Looking to upgrade from my monster
amazon bro...
One really important point, I sure it says this in the instructions that come with it, this type of lithium battery is the safest of the lithium, but no lithium battery is truly safe. NEVER leave this to charge unattended. Lithium batteries can be very dangerous, the most danger is when charging, if the weather is good charging it outside on an uncovered patio is a good idea.
Bullshit. You're talking about Lipo's like RC cars and drones use. These LiFePo4's are a totally different breed.
@@theNikonGuy I guess you didn't understand my post, I CLEARLY wrote that this type of lithium battery was the safest of the lithium batteries, meaning LiFe batteries. But no lithium battery is completely safe.
How did you secure your water snake engine
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2 nylon locking straps and eye loops. Works very well for what it is. I didn't need to buy another trolling motor to work with the new yak. Thanks for watching bro!
You've certainly got all the gear. But where's your life jacket ? I feel unsafe just watching you rocking around every time you move.
I have a waist PFD. So you can feel safe now...But if you want to see me fall off well you're in for a treat...th-cam.com/video/TcZQkt53dmU/w-d-xo.html
@@SuperDuperOutdoors Saw the video and I recall my Dad always told me "never stand up in a boat" :-) I hadn't seen the waist PFDs before so I took a look to see how they work. I guess they are Ok but only as long as you don't hit your head and knock yourself unconscious on the boat or a rock as you fall off - because you aren't going to be able to pull it over your head if you are out to it.
great batterys i have the 7lb v max and it goes allday on a c30 minnkota plus fishfinder!! If someone makes a better one i dont wanna know........
Is this the model u use I'm looking for a smaller battery for my kayak
I now have 2...50 ah that runs at 14v and another 55 ah that runs at 12v. .....great batteries. Super lite weight.
You cant go wrong with V max batterys lithium no problems and fast recharge im sayin 2 yrs no problems!!
Congrats bro on the 1000 subs !
Thanks brother!
Fish looks and acts a lot like my German blue rams what was that
It was a ram.
Where is this lake??
This is Lake Chabot in Castro Valley.
How is the new battery and PWM working for you? I returned the vmax lithium and purchased a 50 amp hour AGM. After I purchased
A 85 amp hour AGM. The 50 amp lasts me all day on the water @ 32 lbs thats not bad. Hope you are up and running!!
I need to get out soon...Been super busy with life. I did get the replacement lithium 12v version and the customer service was very good. I did receive the new PWM Trolling Pro .....All sitting around in unopened boxes for an unboxing video...
SuperDuper Outdoors what is the lithium replacement version? and what are the volts at full charge. I'm very interested in seeing how this works out!!
@@johnrugani9832 I think it floats at 14.1 and settles at 13ish or high 12s ...Just like a car battery. I will make a video on the performance for sure. This lithium battery and the Trolling Pro PWM should be a good setup. Stay tuned!
I mounted my old 55 amh AGM (32 lbs and still good at 13.1 volts) with USB plugs and a 12v outlet under my seat in my van as auxiliary power. Better the van carry it than me.... I got power for days for gopros, drones, TV and my trucker oven. I may install a solenoid setup to have the alternator charge it. I should make a video on this...
SuperDuper Outdoors Thanks I'm looking forward to it!
Hey what’s going on, love the vid on the Vmax, my question is about your GoPro Mount on the front of your NuCanoe. What did you use to make that y’all gorilla pod flex mount?
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SuperDuper Outdoors Thank you!
I’ll be very interested to hear your results with the PWM. Som say they increased battery run time by 5X!
You mentioned 5 hours running at max voltage but the important part of that is how many amps does your motor use at max?
Most people have 30-38# thrust motors which will draw as much as 25-28 amps at max speed. Where a WM is a must have with the smaller battery.
Good video though it could have been shorter....I had to fast forward through much of it to get the information (and past the fish tank intro).
Gave you a like and sub’d!
No not quite 5 times. A standard resistor based speed reducer simply connects a resistor in series to the motor to reduce the current flow through the motor, but at a cost of wasting energy in heat. Let's say you have a motor that draws 24 amps at full speed and you want to cut the current consumption in half. For a 12 volts system, the impedance at 24 amps is 0.5 ohms. If you put a 0.5 ohm resistor in series, the total impedance will be 1 ohm and you'll draw 12 amps from your battery and through both the resistor and the motor. So you'll now be using half the power from your battery, but that power will be divided equally between the resistor and the motor, so the motor will be at 1/4 the power (1/2 the amps x 1/2 the voltage). Assuming 100% efficiency, a PWM could cut the power to the motor to 1/4 by pulsing the full 12 volts with a 25% duty cycle and it will only draw an average of 6 amps (24/4).
So in the end, at 1/4 speed, the battery will last twice as long with a PWM versus a standard resistor based speed control. At full throttle, the PWM will actually wastes a small amount of power because it must travel through the PWM Mosfets rather than directly to the motor.
Do they all have that little display that tells you the battery
How do you like the watersnake motor? Have you had any issues with it?
It's been a solid motor. Super light and works for my application. I used on my older kayak and I hacked it to work with this yak...tight lines bro.
If you really took it down to 1 or 2% of its total capacity you would have to buy a new battery every time you used it. The meter is telling you useable capacity and you really shouldn't take it too far down, the internal circuitry will probably keep you from discharging to the point of serious damage, but the lower you go the less overall life the battery might have. Try to limit use to no lower than 10% left on the meter and your battery will last longer.
The lowest I've brought it down was 60%. I love this battery. I also purchased the 12v version too.
@@SuperDuperOutdoors From everything I've read you can take them down to around 30% with absolutely no damage, taking them to 20% or less can damage the battery. I take my lipo's down to about 20% and do OK. Lipo's aren't the same but they are kissing cousins, your type is much safer than lipos.
an e bike motor controller from ebay/amazon/or used bike[offerup] will work its same motor a brushed dc only thing is you have to keep it in a watertight plastic container as bike controllers not designed for water use..haha....
This battery company no longer provides a case or any device that shows the battery level. Its a guessing game now.
Oh thats too bad...there are so many options now and much cheaper since this video was made.
Just subbed great vid
Thank you man!
What’s up man that Frontier10 is a hell of a little boat. Would love to meet up and fish sometime hit me up
Thank you bro. I love this thing. With all the other boats out there, this fits. Yea man, Bass are starting to wake up. DM on ig and let me know what's up.
I like your video man l'm running 28 pound trust motor on my Hobie outback made myself l'm using PWM tried a couple of them the best luck that l'm having with 12v 100 amp hour PWM with built fan keeps speed controller cooler they can run a little warm you might wanna add watt meter to keep eye on your Voltage. Thanks. For the video hope you get the PWM up and running
I appreciate your input...@Phillip Siddiq "This opening...🔥...Thanks for doing this walk through set up. I'll be checking out this battery because I rent the row boats..😀"
I heard that the usable energy on LIFEPO4 batteries are 80%. That said the approximate run time of a Watersnake 18T on a 50ah Lifepo4 battery with full speed should be about 2.5hrs and with Watersnake 24T should be 2hrs. In saying that, I have towed my mate's kayak on my 24T and ran at the full speed for about an hour and only used 25% of the battery capacity with a 50ah battery...
Also noticed that top speed of the motor increased from 5km/hr to 6km/hr.
Yes You're correct. However I run a PWM and that makes it run much longer. Non resistor power stream. I run all day on variable speeds. The 16 volt battery will give you additional boost for sure. I still need to test the 12v as I am busy AF these days...I miss fishing. Sigh...Thanks for watching bro!
@@SuperDuperOutdoors I envy that you have a 16v battery... which makes your motor run faster! I don't think it will damage the motor that much. You not meant to use it forever anyway! I am planning to build PWM controller as well when I get a chance and test out amp usage with my spare prop which is slightly larger than the original prop.. but 2hrs runtime is still plenty for me so I'm happy! :)
Cool! I also have a model airplane prop that I want to install. It's suppose to be 25% more efficent. I guess the idea would be to get the smallest and lightest battery for your day. Imagine having a 5 lb battery that suits your needs. You need to post some videos of your results too...
SuperDuper Outdoors I’m too lazy to take video I guess... Let me know how you go with the new prop. Wondering how fast a kayak can run with the nee prop! For me, faster=better as long as they don’t kill the motor! 👍🏼
New sub. Thanks for the informative video! Was your VMAX battery at 100% when you initially connected? The reason I’m asking is because my battery percentage indicator reads 100% when I connect it, however, once I flip the power switch it immediately goes down to 90%. Not sure if this is common. Thanks in advance. 😀🎣🤙
Thanks for watching. It's shipped at 50% and that's how I recieved it. After the first charge it read 100%. I hope that helps.
I’m sure this vid has aged quite a bit, I’m looking at one of these trolling motors but I don’t know what battery I should be spending my money on.. 😅
Go lithium forsure....👍
Any truth that lithium batteries are bad for Watersnake motors due to higher fully-charged voltages. If so, it's a deal killer for me. No more lead-acid (including AGM) batteries will haunt the spaces of my Native slayer ever again!
I've been running this 14 5 volt Lith battery for about 4+ years on the WaterSnake..the only side affects is, it goes faster. 8)
@@michaell1665 I also run a pwm controller on it so that's what reducing the voltage. I did run direct for about a year.
600 bucks
Use to be 500 bucks...inflation.